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sobiWhere can i find config-file on my file system for grub 1.97 included in Kubuntu 9.10 alpha6 ?00:38
sobijust need edit system-choosing delay time00:39
neversfeldesobi: probably better to ask in #ubuntu00:42
txwikingerScottK: bug 43555401:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435554 in ichthux-meta "Need sponsorship for upload of new package of ichthux-meta" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43555401:00
shtylmanlaunchpad changed...01:03
shtylmanthis is new...01:03
txwikingershtylman: yes.. they just did it01:04
shtylmanfncy01:05
shtylman*fancy01:05
maconixternal: hrm. last night, mine turned off when the battery ran out instead of suspending. also, the battery has been at "81%" all day, even after being unplugged for an hour and also after charging for 7 hours01:25
neversfeldemaco: I probably had the same problem, but I think it was fixed after restarting01:27
ScottKtxwikinger: I'll have a look.02:43
txwikingerthanks ScottK02:48
rgreeningScottK: will we have a netbook seed for moblin? Just saw an announcement about Dell and mini 10v with moblin and Ubuntu Netbook Remix...03:04
ScottKThere is a Moblin image for Karmic.  I understand it's intended as a developer preview only.03:04
rgreeningScottK: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/23/dell-canonical-introduce-ubuntu-moblin-remix/03:06
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nixternalhow come when I open a link from konsole for arora it freezes for a bit before loading the whole page? is this just me or is it everyone?04:31
txwikingerhi nixternal04:33
nixternalhola04:35
txwikinger¿Que me quentas?04:36
ScottKtxwikinger: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.05:10
txwikingerScottK: Thanks for your help05:10
ScottKNo problem.05:10
micmordkdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed.07:35
a|wenmicmord: most likely transient .,.08:14
a|wenmicmord: wait till later today/tomorrow and it has hopefully fixed itself magically08:15
kjeldahlCan anybody help getting a desktop back after dist-upgrade (breaking kdebase-workspace stuff)?09:31
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kjeldahlAnybody have kdebase-workspace-data=4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6 around so I can have my desktop back?11:26
kjeldahl(to match kdebase-workspace-bin..0ubuntu6)11:27
Riddelllkjeldahl: amd64?11:28
kjeldahlRiddelll: Yes.11:28
Riddelllmm, I see the issue11:29
kjeldahlAny easy solutions? It's been a looong time since I used the linux console... ;-)11:30
kjeldahlIf other people are as reckless as me, there are going to be quite a few linux console users soon... ;-)11:32
Riddellljust need to wait for the fix I'm afraid11:33
Riddelllwhich is now uploaded and should take an hour or two11:35
kjeldahlOk, excellent. Thanks.11:35
kjeldahlWant to clue me in on what went wrong (so I learn to stay away from bleeding edge the next time)?11:36
Riddelllit didn't compile on i386 where the -data package is compiled, so there was version skew and it couldn't get installed11:39
RiddelllQuintasan: meh, Dooble has screwy licencing :(11:51
neversfeldewhere is the Report Bug button in launchpad now? :)12:01
davmor2neversfelde: still there just points the the recommended way of reporting bugs12:02
davmor2neversfelde: for quick reports just type ubuntu-bug name_of_app then just add the extra info as required12:04
neversfeldedavmor2: that's for apport, right?12:07
davmor2neversfelde: new apport yes12:08
neversfeldemhh, do I have to install the package, that has the bug?12:09
davmor2normally yes.  neversfelde however if you go to the redirect page at the bottom there are instructions for what to do if ubuntu-bug can't help and then you can manually add the info like before12:10
neversfeldewell, I should do it, because I cannot file a bug for a package synced from debian :)12:11
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agateauRiddelll: New kmail patchset for indicators available from http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html13:00
agateaushould fix all bugs reported by rgreening13:00
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kjeldahl1Ridelll: Just got some updates, new kdm etc, but installing kubuntu-desktop still fails due to the kdebase-workspace-{bin,data} mixup. If you've fixed it, what updates should I look for? I really miss a desktop...14:11
sebasIs it possible to hide blocked updates from the update notifier?14:16
sebasRight now it shows up when there are blocked updates only14:17
sebasSo essentially it says "install updates, but you cannot install the updates that are available" -- usability problem14:17
sebasessentially, blocked updates shouldn't be marked as available14:18
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ScottKneversfelde: I think the plan is that if they make it hard enough to file bugs, eventually the number will go down.14:35
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QuintasanRiddell: I will poke them today14:52
jussi01sebas: +114:54
savastenAny word on kdebase-workspace-data?15:09
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kjeldahl1No, not working yet. Ridelll said a fix was posted, but if it was it didn't work.15:09
kjeldahl1(assuming it hasn't spent more than three hours getting here)15:10
jussi01I guess its possible it hasnt built yet...15:10
jussi01looks like it failed to build : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu7/+build/125948315:12
jussi01Riddelll: have you noticed that?15:12
kjeldahl1That explains things. I'll keep trying. Thanks.15:14
Riddellljussi01: mm ok, uploading fix15:29
savastenThat explains i386 what about amd64?15:32
Riddelllamd64 issue is caused by i386 build failure15:32
savastenGood to know.15:34
Quintasanoh god, srsly fcked up licensing15:35
RiddelllQuintasan: isn't it just15:36
Riddelllquite a shame that15:37
macoseriously, this power management thingy is getting annoying. it now says "empty battery" when its been plugged in for 6 hours15:37
Riddelllit needs the licencing for the icons clarified (although I don't know why it includes a dozen different icons themes)15:37
Riddellland it needs to be sure it follows its own licence for multiverse15:37
QuintasanRiddell: AFAIK all icons but everaldo's are GPL-215:37
RiddelllQuintasan: tango isn't15:38
Riddelllthere's also no GPL copy included15:38
Quintasanwell I need to poke them. I got the source from SVN15:38
QuintasanI hope they have irc channel15:39
RiddelllI don't think so15:39
Riddelllthe guy likes to chat to me on gmail talk15:39
rgreeningmaco: I have the same isue on my Acer 6930.15:39
Riddelllagateau: kdepim patches uploaded15:39
agateauRiddelll: thanks!15:39
agateaurgreening: this is for you ^15:40
rgreeningmaco: Sometimes when I am updating, it starts working again (due to one of the underlying services being restarted)15:40
agateaushould fix your problem with kmail and indicators15:40
rgreeningagateau: you are awesome15:40
agateautell this to the plasma devs :)15:40
rgreeningagateau: now.. how about akregator :)15:40
agateautoo late for Karmic I think15:40
rgreeningagateau: lol.. you need to do a screencast showing how it all works...15:40
rgreeningagateau: nah, not too late huh Riddelll... we have a standing FFe for KDE :P15:41
agateauscreencast could be a good idea, if I find the time15:41
* rgreening thinks making akregator work would be the fashizzel15:41
* agateau wonders what fashizzel can be15:42
rgreeningagateau: I think a screencast would allow everyone to see how smooth it all looks in comparison.15:42
agateauI agree15:42
rgreeningagateau: fashizzel, shiz, da bomb, dope, rad == awesome15:42
rgreening:P15:42
agateauoh ok15:43
rgreeninggot to love gang slang15:43
rgreeningagateau: maybe we can do a pod cast on the notifications :P  talk with Nick Ali...15:43
agateauhehe15:45
QuintasanRiddell: about UDS - I need to ask my parents for permission first but I think they will agree. I would need passport, signed permission to attending, what else?15:51
RiddelllQuintasan: to be free on the dates and to be picked for sponsorship (I just forward the names)15:52
QuintasanHmm, okay, I'm going to ask them when my dad's back15:53
davmor2Hey guys on kde's nm why does it ask for the phone number of my 3g dongle?15:53
Riddellldavmor2: it doesn't have a built in list like nm-applet does15:53
Riddellldavmor2: do you know the number?15:54
davmor2Riddelll: Of course not and no15:54
davmor2Riddelll: this was on kne but I'm firing up a kubuntu to see if it is the same15:55
Riddelllit is the same15:55
davmor2Riddelll: I'll let you know in a minute then but the basic section lists phone number which I'm assuming is for if your connecting via your phone16:00
kjeldahlAnybody want to point me where to read up on package propagation, or "how to get updates faster" (finding an updated mirror or similar) with Ubuntu?16:12
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JontheEchindaThe fix is still building: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu816:15
kjeldahlJon: Thanks.16:21
RiddelllI can tell kdebase-workspace compiled this time, rosetta is spamming me to hell16:35
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* kjeldahl grins16:37
davmor2Riddelll: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/3g.png  is what I get16:38
Riddellltxwikinger_work: are you wanting to come to UDS?16:41
txwikinger_workRiddelll: I am thinking about it16:41
davmor2Riddelll: setup a rosetta folder and a mail rule and ignore it ;)16:47
davmor2Riddelll: what do you want me to do about the loveliness that assumes my 3g dongle is a phone then?16:49
davmor2Riddelll: Bug 43602017:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436020 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement "kde network-manager should make 3g dongles easier to connect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43602017:20
EagleScreenlogout button can be added to the desktop17:43
kjeldahlJust got the bugfixes and kubuntu-desktop seems to install fine again. Hopefully my desktop will be back when I arrive at the office tomorrow. Thank you for helping out.17:58
QuintasanRiddell: Hmm, there will be no problems with my parents, but I need a vista to pass the border :/17:58
Quintasanlol, visa*17:59
rgreeningQuintasan: sure XP wont work17:59
rgreeninghaha17:59
QuintasanxD17:59
rgreening:P17:59
dendrobatesRiddell: is any one working on making the 3g experience using knetworkmanager  more friendly like nm-applet?  I'm considering working on it, but I don't want to step on any toes.18:00
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Quintasanoh man, it sucks18:02
Quintasanhell yeah, nearest embassy ~= 350km :/18:02
neversfeldeMIR for libepub-dev was approved and it will be in main, after the first package depends on it bug 43277518:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432775 in ebook-tools "Main inclusion request for ebook-tools" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43277518:40
neversfeldeokular build fine with it, but unfortunately there is a bug in libepub0 and it requires a fix bug 43582618:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435826 in ebook-tools "okular cannot parse the structure of an epub document" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43582618:41
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ScottKDo we have a fix for it?18:42
neversfeldeso although ebook-tools is still in universe, I guess it needs a sponsor for main. I am not sure, if the changes would affect the approval for main?18:42
neversfeldeScottK: a debdiff is attached to the bug report18:42
rgreeningScottK: have you tried the ubiquity under netbook? Fonts are huge..I think we need an adjustment for the font settings reapplied (seems that are not applied anymore)18:50
ScottKrgreening: I did a reinstall for Alpha 6.  It didn't seem particularly huge then.18:52
ScottKI'd ask shtylman.18:52
rgreeningScottK: Im doing a daily from today...18:58
rgreeningScottK: but I remember it being this way for a while.18:59
rgreeningScottK: are we sure we have the fonts adjusted for netbook?18:59
ScottKrgreening: In Ubiquity, no.  shtylman discussed maybe having a way to discover a small screen and then use different CSS.19:00
rgreeningScottK: ah... I would have though it got hints from system as CSS should use relative and not fixed sizes (like 0.5em for example rather than 7pt)19:02
rgreeningshtylman: ^^19:02
ScottKrgreening: I'd have thought I don't know a thing about it and you should ask shtylman.19:03
rgreeningScottK: I asked u for default system settings if it was applied for knds... :P19:03
rgreeninghmm.. yeah, all fonts in system settings are at 7 point.... small should technically be smaller than the others though... heh19:05
* rgreening check konq19:05
rgreeningScottK: konqueror fonts need adjusting... medium = 12 and min = 7... should be smaller to be consistent I guess...19:07
rgreeningScottK: is the clock (time) in your netbook titlebar cut off? If so, try setting smal font to 6pt and see if it fixes it. I think we should adjust small to be 6pt19:09
ScottKrgreening: It is.19:09
ScottKSounds readonable to me.19:09
rgreeningScottK: ok, what package is that.... kubuntu netbook default settings? correct?19:10
rgreeningI can try and make the change19:10
ScottKrgreening: Yes.19:11
rgreeningok.. getting now19:11
ScottKRiddelll: I'm taking the ebook-tools upload for neversfelde.  Will you promote it so okular can build-depend on it.19:19
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neversfeldekdegraphics is ready, so I can push it to bzr, if patched ebook-tools goes into the archive19:25
ScottKneversfelde: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.19:26
neversfeldeScottK: thanks19:26
ScottKneversfelde: BTW, don't mention the maintainer change in debian/changelog.19:26
chrisinajarSo I'm settings up a kde4 development environment to do some work on it, this will be in paralell with the 9.10 alpha kde 4 packages... My plan is to use kdesvn-build and install it into my home directory and make a script to enter that environment for running things... Is there anything I should keep in mind or a better way to manage the environment that you guys generally use?19:29
rgreeningScottK: committed knds small font fix (marked 9.10.10 as UNRELEASED).. so, feel free to upload at leisure...19:30
neversfeldeScottK: ok19:30
neversfeldethere was an error with debuild, so I had to change the maintainer19:30
ScottKneversfelde: You were correct to change it, it just didn't need mentioning in the changelog.19:32
neversfeldeI learned, that everything has to be in changelog :D. I will not mention it in future anymore.19:33
ScottKThis one is specifically called out in Ubuntu Policy as not needed.19:34
neversfeldeok19:35
skreechDoes Koala ship with kopete-krunner ?19:54
jussi01!info kopete-krunner karmic19:57
ubottuPackage kopete-krunner does not exist in karmic19:57
jussi01skreech: doesnt look promising...19:57
JontheEchinda!info plasma-runner-kopete19:58
ubottuPackage plasma-runner-kopete does not exist in jaunty19:58
JontheEchinda!info plasma-runner-kopete karmic19:58
ubottuplasma-runner-kopete (source: plasma-runner-kopete): Start chat with your Kopete contacts using KRunner. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB19:58
JontheEchindanot by default19:58
rgreeninghmm. ScottK the small font changed worked on the live usb... does seem todo anything for me after install... but it is a saner default I believe...19:59
rgreenings/does/doesn't/20:02
skreechJontheEchinda: see that's why I want a kubuntu-komplete package :(20:02
spstarrnice20:28
spstarrsomeone is doing nightly mesa PPAs20:28
ScottKrgreening: Maybe you could see if notmart will help you figure out the problem where only one app per catagory gets remembered in favorites for the app picker.20:30
rgreeninghehe20:31
RiddelllScottK: nothing about ebook in New, what should I be looking for?21:00
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neversfeldemhh, I hoped that the epub support could go in before :/21:01
Riddelllneversfelde: we can sneak it in, but I'm not quite sure what needs doing21:02
neversfeldeRiddelll: bug 435826 was already marked as fixed released, does that mean that it is in the archive?21:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435826 in ebook-tools "okular cannot parse the structure of an epub document" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43582621:04
Riddelllneversfelde: looks like it is but it's in universe, do you know if there's a MIR?21:06
neversfeldeRiddelll: yes, pitti approved it and said that libepub0 and libepub-dev will go to main, when there is a package that depends on it21:06
neversfeldeone moment, I will search the bug report21:07
neversfeldeRiddelll: bug 43277521:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432775 in ebook-tools "Main inclusion request for ebook-tools" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43277521:07
neversfeldeso if everything is ok, kdegraphics with epub support is in bzr21:08
rgreeningyay21:15
neversfeldesomething is wrong with the import filter for ms documents for koffice 2.1 beta, I get a lot of mails about it here :)21:16
neversfeldevorian: ping21:24
ScottKRiddelll: I accepted ebook-tools (since it was still in Universe).  It needs to get promoted so we can build-depend on it.21:25
* JontheEchinda thinks bug 436088 could be an indicator issue21:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436088 in kdepim "kmail crashed with SIGSEGV in QString::replace()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43608821:33
JontheEchindaThat backtrace is huge liek xbox21:33
Quintasan|SzelRiddelll: I have my parents aprroval. Please put me on the list21:34
ScottKQuintasan|Szel: There is a form to fill out.21:35
Quintasan|Szeloh21:36
Quintasan|SzelQuintasan: ^21:36
skreechSign here here here here there in blood here and here with this special pen21:36
ScottKQuintasan|Szel: Check Jono's blog.  It's got a link to where you have to fill it out.21:36
Quintasan|Szelskreech: Sounds good too me :D21:37
Quintasan|Szelto*21:37
* Quintasan|Szel looks around for a razor21:38
skreechUse apacehelogger. He's sharp21:38
neversfeldeshould ebook-tools in bug 345672 also be marked with fixed released?21:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 345672 in ebook-tools "Okular epub support missing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34567221:39
* Quintasan|Szel grabs apachelogger21:39
Quintasan|SzelWhere? :P21:39
ScottKneversfelde: It should be fix released in epub-tools, but not KDE21:41
neversfeldeScottK: not KDE?21:42
skreechAh!21:42
skreechksnapshot not being on Printscreen21:42
skreechThat's a paperkut21:42
Quintasan|Szelskreech: +121:43
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Quintasan|Szelalso Kickoff should be under win/meta key21:43
Monika|Kbut ksnapshot is on printscreen21:44
ScottKneversfelde: kdegraphics.  It should be open against that until it's fixed there.21:46
skreechIt is for me because I set it manually21:46
Monika|Kdoes it still make sense to report paperKuts? now that there is the freeze?21:46
Monika|Kskreech on a fresh install of Jaunty ksnapshot is on printscreen, too ... is it not anymore on karmic?21:46
ScottKStuff like that we can possibly fix post-beta.21:47
Quintasan|SzelWell. I'm going to bed, tomorrow ain't Saturday :<21:47
Quintasan|SzelNight everyone21:47
neversfeldeScottK: it was marked fixed released automatically from janitor21:48
RiddelllQuintasan: added, don't know when we'll hear who gets chosen22:01
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yuriyqyoto package is broken23:02
yuriyit looks for libqyotoshared.so but it's called libqyoto.so23:03
yuriywow new LP looks pretty bad, i thought it was just konqueror/arora23:05
yuriybug 419771 ^23:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419771 in kdebindings "Missing symlink/misplaced file in libqyoto4.4-cil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41977123:08
yuriyfrom #kde-bindings (thought i'd relay directly) "and if it isn't properly found, then go yell at the ubuntu packagers for screwing it up - and just gently tell them to take the working things from debian.23:11
ScottKWho was that?23:13
yuriypusling23:13
ScottKFigures23:14
yuriydon't know anything about him23:14
ScottKHe's a Debian KDE DD and not famous for his people skills.23:14
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