[00:38] <sobi> Where can i find config-file on my file system for grub 1.97 included in Kubuntu 9.10 alpha6 ?
[00:39] <sobi> just need edit system-choosing delay time
[00:42] <neversfelde> sobi: probably better to ask in #ubuntu
[01:00] <txwikinger> ScottK: bug 435554
[01:03] <shtylman> launchpad changed...
[01:03] <shtylman> this is new...
[01:04] <txwikinger> shtylman: yes.. they just did it
[01:05] <shtylman> fncy
[01:05] <shtylman> *fancy
[01:25] <maco> nixternal: hrm. last night, mine turned off when the battery ran out instead of suspending. also, the battery has been at "81%" all day, even after being unplugged for an hour and also after charging for 7 hours
[01:27] <neversfelde> maco: I probably had the same problem, but I think it was fixed after restarting
[02:43] <ScottK> txwikinger: I'll have a look.
[02:48] <txwikinger> thanks ScottK
[03:04] <rgreening> ScottK: will we have a netbook seed for moblin? Just saw an announcement about Dell and mini 10v with moblin and Ubuntu Netbook Remix...
[03:04] <ScottK> There is a Moblin image for Karmic.  I understand it's intended as a developer preview only.
[03:06] <rgreening> ScottK: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/23/dell-canonical-introduce-ubuntu-moblin-remix/
[04:31] <nixternal> how come when I open a link from konsole for arora it freezes for a bit before loading the whole page? is this just me or is it everyone?
[04:33] <txwikinger> hi nixternal
[04:35] <nixternal> hola
[04:36] <txwikinger> ¿Que me quentas?
[05:10] <ScottK> txwikinger: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[05:10] <txwikinger> ScottK: Thanks for your help
[05:10] <ScottK> No problem.
[07:35] <micmord> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed.
[08:14] <a|wen> micmord: most likely transient .,.
[08:15] <a|wen> micmord: wait till later today/tomorrow and it has hopefully fixed itself magically
[09:31] <kjeldahl> Can anybody help getting a desktop back after dist-upgrade (breaking kdebase-workspace stuff)?
[11:26] <kjeldahl> Anybody have kdebase-workspace-data=4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6 around so I can have my desktop back?
[11:27] <kjeldahl> (to match kdebase-workspace-bin..0ubuntu6)
[11:28] <Riddelll> kjeldahl: amd64?
[11:28] <kjeldahl> Riddelll: Yes.
[11:29] <Riddelll> mm, I see the issue
[11:30] <kjeldahl> Any easy solutions? It's been a looong time since I used the linux console... ;-)
[11:32] <kjeldahl> If other people are as reckless as me, there are going to be quite a few linux console users soon... ;-)
[11:33] <Riddelll> just need to wait for the fix I'm afraid
[11:35] <Riddelll> which is now uploaded and should take an hour or two
[11:35] <kjeldahl> Ok, excellent. Thanks.
[11:36] <kjeldahl> Want to clue me in on what went wrong (so I learn to stay away from bleeding edge the next time)?
[11:39] <Riddelll> it didn't compile on i386 where the -data package is compiled, so there was version skew and it couldn't get installed
[11:51] <Riddelll> Quintasan: meh, Dooble has screwy licencing :(
[12:01] <neversfelde> where is the Report Bug button in launchpad now? :)
[12:02] <davmor2> neversfelde: still there just points the the recommended way of reporting bugs
[12:04] <davmor2> neversfelde: for quick reports just type ubuntu-bug name_of_app then just add the extra info as required
[12:07] <neversfelde> davmor2: that's for apport, right?
[12:08] <davmor2> neversfelde: new apport yes
[12:09] <neversfelde> mhh, do I have to install the package, that has the bug?
[12:10] <davmor2> normally yes.  neversfelde however if you go to the redirect page at the bottom there are instructions for what to do if ubuntu-bug can't help and then you can manually add the info like before
[12:11] <neversfelde> well, I should do it, because I cannot file a bug for a package synced from debian :)
[13:00] <agateau> Riddelll: New kmail patchset for indicators available from http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html
[13:00] <agateau> should fix all bugs reported by rgreening
[14:11] <kjeldahl1> Ridelll: Just got some updates, new kdm etc, but installing kubuntu-desktop still fails due to the kdebase-workspace-{bin,data} mixup. If you've fixed it, what updates should I look for? I really miss a desktop...
[14:16] <sebas> Is it possible to hide blocked updates from the update notifier?
[14:17] <sebas> Right now it shows up when there are blocked updates only
[14:17] <sebas> So essentially it says "install updates, but you cannot install the updates that are available" -- usability problem
[14:18] <sebas> essentially, blocked updates shouldn't be marked as available
[14:35] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think the plan is that if they make it hard enough to file bugs, eventually the number will go down.
[14:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I will poke them today
[14:54] <jussi01> sebas: +1
[15:09] <savasten> Any word on kdebase-workspace-data?
[15:09] <kjeldahl1> No, not working yet. Ridelll said a fix was posted, but if it was it didn't work.
[15:10] <kjeldahl1> (assuming it hasn't spent more than three hours getting here)
[15:10] <jussi01> I guess its possible it hasnt built yet...
[15:12] <jussi01> looks like it failed to build : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu7/+build/1259483
[15:12] <jussi01> Riddelll: have you noticed that?
[15:14] <kjeldahl1> That explains things. I'll keep trying. Thanks.
[15:29] <Riddelll> jussi01: mm ok, uploading fix
[15:32] <savasten> That explains i386 what about amd64?
[15:32] <Riddelll> amd64 issue is caused by i386 build failure
[15:34] <savasten> Good to know.
[15:35] <Quintasan> oh god, srsly fcked up licensing
[15:36] <Riddelll> Quintasan: isn't it just
[15:37] <Riddelll> quite a shame that
[15:37] <maco> seriously, this power management thingy is getting annoying. it now says "empty battery" when its been plugged in for 6 hours
[15:37] <Riddelll> it needs the licencing for the icons clarified (although I don't know why it includes a dozen different icons themes)
[15:37] <Riddelll> and it needs to be sure it follows its own licence for multiverse
[15:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: AFAIK all icons but everaldo's are GPL-2
[15:38] <Riddelll> Quintasan: tango isn't
[15:38] <Riddelll> there's also no GPL copy included
[15:38] <Quintasan> well I need to poke them. I got the source from SVN
[15:39] <Quintasan> I hope they have irc channel
[15:39] <Riddelll> I don't think so
[15:39] <Riddelll> the guy likes to chat to me on gmail talk
[15:39] <rgreening> maco: I have the same isue on my Acer 6930.
[15:39] <Riddelll> agateau: kdepim patches uploaded
[15:39] <agateau> Riddelll: thanks!
[15:40] <agateau> rgreening: this is for you ^
[15:40] <rgreening> maco: Sometimes when I am updating, it starts working again (due to one of the underlying services being restarted)
[15:40] <agateau> should fix your problem with kmail and indicators
[15:40] <rgreening> agateau: you are awesome
[15:40] <agateau> tell this to the plasma devs :)
[15:40] <rgreening> agateau: now.. how about akregator :)
[15:40] <agateau> too late for Karmic I think
[15:40] <rgreening> agateau: lol.. you need to do a screencast showing how it all works...
[15:41] <rgreening> agateau: nah, not too late huh Riddelll... we have a standing FFe for KDE :P
[15:41] <agateau> screencast could be a good idea, if I find the time
[15:41]  * rgreening thinks making akregator work would be the fashizzel
[15:42]  * agateau wonders what fashizzel can be
[15:42] <rgreening> agateau: I think a screencast would allow everyone to see how smooth it all looks in comparison.
[15:42] <agateau> I agree
[15:42] <rgreening> agateau: fashizzel, shiz, da bomb, dope, rad == awesome
[15:42] <rgreening> :P
[15:43] <agateau> oh ok
[15:43] <rgreening> got to love gang slang
[15:43] <rgreening> agateau: maybe we can do a pod cast on the notifications :P  talk with Nick Ali...
[15:45] <agateau> hehe
[15:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: about UDS - I need to ask my parents for permission first but I think they will agree. I would need passport, signed permission to attending, what else?
[15:52] <Riddelll> Quintasan: to be free on the dates and to be picked for sponsorship (I just forward the names)
[15:53] <Quintasan> Hmm, okay, I'm going to ask them when my dad's back
[15:53] <davmor2> Hey guys on kde's nm why does it ask for the phone number of my 3g dongle?
[15:53] <Riddelll> davmor2: it doesn't have a built in list like nm-applet does
[15:54] <Riddelll> davmor2: do you know the number?
[15:54] <davmor2> Riddelll: Of course not and no
[15:55] <davmor2> Riddelll: this was on kne but I'm firing up a kubuntu to see if it is the same
[15:55] <Riddelll> it is the same
[16:00] <davmor2> Riddelll: I'll let you know in a minute then but the basic section lists phone number which I'm assuming is for if your connecting via your phone
[16:12] <kjeldahl> Anybody want to point me where to read up on package propagation, or "how to get updates faster" (finding an updated mirror or similar) with Ubuntu?
[16:15] <JontheEchinda> The fix is still building: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu8
[16:21] <kjeldahl> Jon: Thanks.
[16:35] <Riddelll> I can tell kdebase-workspace compiled this time, rosetta is spamming me to hell
[16:37]  * kjeldahl grins
[16:38] <davmor2> Riddelll: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/3g.png  is what I get
[16:41] <Riddelll> txwikinger_work: are you wanting to come to UDS?
[16:41] <txwikinger_work> Riddelll: I am thinking about it
[16:47] <davmor2> Riddelll: setup a rosetta folder and a mail rule and ignore it ;)
[16:49] <davmor2> Riddelll: what do you want me to do about the loveliness that assumes my 3g dongle is a phone then?
[17:20] <davmor2> Riddelll: Bug 436020
[17:43] <EagleScreen> logout button can be added to the desktop
[17:58] <kjeldahl> Just got the bugfixes and kubuntu-desktop seems to install fine again. Hopefully my desktop will be back when I arrive at the office tomorrow. Thank you for helping out.
[17:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hmm, there will be no problems with my parents, but I need a vista to pass the border :/
[17:59] <Quintasan> lol, visa*
[17:59] <rgreening> Quintasan: sure XP wont work
[17:59] <rgreening> haha
[17:59] <Quintasan> xD
[17:59] <rgreening> :P
[18:00] <dendrobates> Riddell: is any one working on making the 3g experience using knetworkmanager  more friendly like nm-applet?  I'm considering working on it, but I don't want to step on any toes.
[18:02] <Quintasan> oh man, it sucks
[18:02] <Quintasan> hell yeah, nearest embassy ~= 350km :/
[18:40] <neversfelde> MIR for libepub-dev was approved and it will be in main, after the first package depends on it bug 432775
[18:40] <neversfelde> okular build fine with it, but unfortunately there is a bug in libepub0 and it requires a fix bug 435826
[18:42] <ScottK> Do we have a fix for it?
[18:42] <neversfelde> so although ebook-tools is still in universe, I guess it needs a sponsor for main. I am not sure, if the changes would affect the approval for main?
[18:42] <neversfelde> ScottK: a debdiff is attached to the bug report
[18:50] <rgreening> ScottK: have you tried the ubiquity under netbook? Fonts are huge..I think we need an adjustment for the font settings reapplied (seems that are not applied anymore)
[18:52] <ScottK> rgreening: I did a reinstall for Alpha 6.  It didn't seem particularly huge then.
[18:52] <ScottK> I'd ask shtylman.
[18:58] <rgreening> ScottK: Im doing a daily from today...
[18:59] <rgreening> ScottK: but I remember it being this way for a while.
[18:59] <rgreening> ScottK: are we sure we have the fonts adjusted for netbook?
[19:00] <ScottK> rgreening: In Ubiquity, no.  shtylman discussed maybe having a way to discover a small screen and then use different CSS.
[19:02] <rgreening> ScottK: ah... I would have though it got hints from system as CSS should use relative and not fixed sizes (like 0.5em for example rather than 7pt)
[19:02] <rgreening> shtylman: ^^
[19:03] <ScottK> rgreening: I'd have thought I don't know a thing about it and you should ask shtylman.
[19:03] <rgreening> ScottK: I asked u for default system settings if it was applied for knds... :P
[19:05] <rgreening> hmm.. yeah, all fonts in system settings are at 7 point.... small should technically be smaller than the others though... heh
[19:05]  * rgreening check konq
[19:07] <rgreening> ScottK: konqueror fonts need adjusting... medium = 12 and min = 7... should be smaller to be consistent I guess...
[19:09] <rgreening> ScottK: is the clock (time) in your netbook titlebar cut off? If so, try setting smal font to 6pt and see if it fixes it. I think we should adjust small to be 6pt
[19:09] <ScottK> rgreening: It is.
[19:09] <ScottK> Sounds readonable to me.
[19:10] <rgreening> ScottK: ok, what package is that.... kubuntu netbook default settings? correct?
[19:10] <rgreening> I can try and make the change
[19:11] <ScottK> rgreening: Yes.
[19:11] <rgreening> ok.. getting now
[19:19] <ScottK> Riddelll: I'm taking the ebook-tools upload for neversfelde.  Will you promote it so okular can build-depend on it.
[19:25] <neversfelde> kdegraphics is ready, so I can push it to bzr, if patched ebook-tools goes into the archive
[19:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[19:26] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[19:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: BTW, don't mention the maintainer change in debian/changelog.
[19:29] <chrisinajar> So I'm settings up a kde4 development environment to do some work on it, this will be in paralell with the 9.10 alpha kde 4 packages... My plan is to use kdesvn-build and install it into my home directory and make a script to enter that environment for running things... Is there anything I should keep in mind or a better way to manage the environment that you guys generally use?
[19:30] <rgreening> ScottK: committed knds small font fix (marked 9.10.10 as UNRELEASED).. so, feel free to upload at leisure...
[19:30] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok
[19:30] <neversfelde> there was an error with debuild, so I had to change the maintainer
[19:32] <ScottK> neversfelde: You were correct to change it, it just didn't need mentioning in the changelog.
[19:33] <neversfelde> I learned, that everything has to be in changelog :D. I will not mention it in future anymore.
[19:34] <ScottK> This one is specifically called out in Ubuntu Policy as not needed.
[19:35] <neversfelde> ok
[19:54] <skreech> Does Koala ship with kopete-krunner ?
[19:57] <jussi01> !info kopete-krunner karmic
[19:57] <jussi01> skreech: doesnt look promising...
[19:58] <JontheEchinda> !info plasma-runner-kopete
[19:58] <JontheEchinda> !info plasma-runner-kopete karmic
[19:58] <JontheEchinda> not by default
[19:59] <rgreening> hmm. ScottK the small font changed worked on the live usb... does seem todo anything for me after install... but it is a saner default I believe...
[20:02] <rgreening> s/does/doesn't/
[20:02] <skreech> JontheEchinda: see that's why I want a kubuntu-komplete package :(
[20:28] <spstarr> nice
[20:28] <spstarr> someone is doing nightly mesa PPAs
[20:30] <ScottK> rgreening: Maybe you could see if notmart will help you figure out the problem where only one app per catagory gets remembered in favorites for the app picker.
[20:31] <rgreening> hehe
[21:00] <Riddelll> ScottK: nothing about ebook in New, what should I be looking for?
[21:01] <neversfelde> mhh, I hoped that the epub support could go in before :/
[21:02] <Riddelll> neversfelde: we can sneak it in, but I'm not quite sure what needs doing
[21:04] <neversfelde> Riddelll: bug 435826 was already marked as fixed released, does that mean that it is in the archive?
[21:06] <Riddelll> neversfelde: looks like it is but it's in universe, do you know if there's a MIR?
[21:06] <neversfelde> Riddelll: yes, pitti approved it and said that libepub0 and libepub-dev will go to main, when there is a package that depends on it
[21:07] <neversfelde> one moment, I will search the bug report
[21:07] <neversfelde> Riddelll: bug 432775
[21:08] <neversfelde> so if everything is ok, kdegraphics with epub support is in bzr
[21:15] <rgreening> yay
[21:16] <neversfelde> something is wrong with the import filter for ms documents for koffice 2.1 beta, I get a lot of mails about it here :)
[21:24] <neversfelde> vorian: ping
[21:25] <ScottK> Riddelll: I accepted ebook-tools (since it was still in Universe).  It needs to get promoted so we can build-depend on it.
[21:33]  * JontheEchinda thinks bug 436088 could be an indicator issue
[21:33] <JontheEchinda> That backtrace is huge liek xbox
[21:34] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddelll: I have my parents aprroval. Please put me on the list
[21:35] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: There is a form to fill out.
[21:36] <Quintasan|Szel> oh
[21:36] <Quintasan|Szel> Quintasan: ^
[21:36] <skreech> Sign here here here here there in blood here and here with this special pen
[21:36] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: Check Jono's blog.  It's got a link to where you have to fill it out.
[21:37] <Quintasan|Szel> skreech: Sounds good too me :D
[21:37] <Quintasan|Szel> to*
[21:38]  * Quintasan|Szel looks around for a razor
[21:38] <skreech> Use apacehelogger. He's sharp
[21:39] <neversfelde> should ebook-tools in bug 345672 also be marked with fixed released?
[21:39]  * Quintasan|Szel grabs apachelogger
[21:39] <Quintasan|Szel> Where? :P
[21:41] <ScottK> neversfelde: It should be fix released in epub-tools, but not KDE
[21:42] <neversfelde> ScottK: not KDE?
[21:42] <skreech> Ah!
[21:42] <skreech> ksnapshot not being on Printscreen
[21:42] <skreech> That's a paperkut
[21:43] <Quintasan|Szel> skreech: +1
[21:43] <Quintasan|Szel> also Kickoff should be under win/meta key
[21:44] <Monika|K> but ksnapshot is on printscreen
[21:46] <ScottK> neversfelde: kdegraphics.  It should be open against that until it's fixed there.
[21:46] <skreech> It is for me because I set it manually
[21:46] <Monika|K> does it still make sense to report paperKuts? now that there is the freeze?
[21:46] <Monika|K> skreech on a fresh install of Jaunty ksnapshot is on printscreen, too ... is it not anymore on karmic?
[21:47] <ScottK> Stuff like that we can possibly fix post-beta.
[21:47] <Quintasan|Szel> Well. I'm going to bed, tomorrow ain't Saturday :<
[21:47] <Quintasan|Szel> Night everyone
[21:48] <neversfelde> ScottK: it was marked fixed released automatically from janitor
[22:01] <Riddelll> Quintasan: added, don't know when we'll hear who gets chosen
[23:02] <yuriy> qyoto package is broken
[23:03] <yuriy> it looks for libqyotoshared.so but it's called libqyoto.so
[23:05] <yuriy> wow new LP looks pretty bad, i thought it was just konqueror/arora
[23:08] <yuriy> bug 419771 ^
[23:11] <yuriy> from #kde-bindings (thought i'd relay directly) "and if it isn't properly found, then go yell at the ubuntu packagers for screwing it up - and just gently tell them to take the working things from debian.
[23:13] <ScottK> Who was that?
[23:13] <yuriy> pusling
[23:14] <ScottK> Figures
[23:14] <yuriy> don't know anything about him
[23:14] <ScottK> He's a Debian KDE DD and not famous for his people skills.