[00:38] Where can i find config-file on my file system for grub 1.97 included in Kubuntu 9.10 alpha6 ? [00:39] just need edit system-choosing delay time [00:42] sobi: probably better to ask in #ubuntu [01:00] ScottK: bug 435554 [01:00] Launchpad bug 435554 in ichthux-meta "Need sponsorship for upload of new package of ichthux-meta" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435554 [01:03] launchpad changed... [01:03] this is new... [01:04] shtylman: yes.. they just did it [01:05] fncy [01:05] *fancy [01:25] nixternal: hrm. last night, mine turned off when the battery ran out instead of suspending. also, the battery has been at "81%" all day, even after being unplugged for an hour and also after charging for 7 hours [01:27] maco: I probably had the same problem, but I think it was fixed after restarting [02:43] txwikinger: I'll have a look. [02:48] thanks ScottK [03:04] ScottK: will we have a netbook seed for moblin? Just saw an announcement about Dell and mini 10v with moblin and Ubuntu Netbook Remix... [03:04] There is a Moblin image for Karmic. I understand it's intended as a developer preview only. [03:06] ScottK: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/23/dell-canonical-introduce-ubuntu-moblin-remix/ === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine [04:31] how come when I open a link from konsole for arora it freezes for a bit before loading the whole page? is this just me or is it everyone? [04:33] hi nixternal [04:35] hola [04:36] ¿Que me quentas? [05:10] txwikinger: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu. [05:10] ScottK: Thanks for your help [05:10] No problem. [07:35] kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed. [08:14] micmord: most likely transient .,. [08:15] micmord: wait till later today/tomorrow and it has hopefully fixed itself magically [09:31] Can anybody help getting a desktop back after dist-upgrade (breaking kdebase-workspace stuff)? === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [11:26] Anybody have kdebase-workspace-data=4:4.3.1-0ubuntu6 around so I can have my desktop back? [11:27] (to match kdebase-workspace-bin..0ubuntu6) [11:28] kjeldahl: amd64? [11:28] Riddelll: Yes. [11:29] mm, I see the issue [11:30] Any easy solutions? It's been a looong time since I used the linux console... ;-) [11:32] If other people are as reckless as me, there are going to be quite a few linux console users soon... ;-) [11:33] just need to wait for the fix I'm afraid [11:35] which is now uploaded and should take an hour or two [11:35] Ok, excellent. Thanks. [11:36] Want to clue me in on what went wrong (so I learn to stay away from bleeding edge the next time)? [11:39] it didn't compile on i386 where the -data package is compiled, so there was version skew and it couldn't get installed [11:51] Quintasan: meh, Dooble has screwy licencing :( [12:01] where is the Report Bug button in launchpad now? :) [12:02] neversfelde: still there just points the the recommended way of reporting bugs [12:04] neversfelde: for quick reports just type ubuntu-bug name_of_app then just add the extra info as required [12:07] davmor2: that's for apport, right? [12:08] neversfelde: new apport yes [12:09] mhh, do I have to install the package, that has the bug? [12:10] normally yes. neversfelde however if you go to the redirect page at the bottom there are instructions for what to do if ubuntu-bug can't help and then you can manually add the info like before [12:11] well, I should do it, because I cannot file a bug for a package synced from debian :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:00] Riddelll: New kmail patchset for indicators available from http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html [13:00] should fix all bugs reported by rgreening === tobias is now known as Guest86526 === Guest86526 is now known as tobias === tobias is now known as hunger [14:11] Ridelll: Just got some updates, new kdm etc, but installing kubuntu-desktop still fails due to the kdebase-workspace-{bin,data} mixup. If you've fixed it, what updates should I look for? I really miss a desktop... [14:16] Is it possible to hide blocked updates from the update notifier? [14:17] Right now it shows up when there are blocked updates only [14:17] So essentially it says "install updates, but you cannot install the updates that are available" -- usability problem [14:18] essentially, blocked updates shouldn't be marked as available === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine [14:35] neversfelde: I think the plan is that if they make it hard enough to file bugs, eventually the number will go down. === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [14:52] Riddell: I will poke them today [14:54] sebas: +1 [15:09] Any word on kdebase-workspace-data? === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine [15:09] No, not working yet. Ridelll said a fix was posted, but if it was it didn't work. [15:10] (assuming it hasn't spent more than three hours getting here) [15:10] I guess its possible it hasnt built yet... [15:12] looks like it failed to build : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu7/+build/1259483 [15:12] Riddelll: have you noticed that? [15:14] That explains things. I'll keep trying. Thanks. [15:29] jussi01: mm ok, uploading fix [15:32] That explains i386 what about amd64? [15:32] amd64 issue is caused by i386 build failure [15:34] Good to know. [15:35] oh god, srsly fcked up licensing [15:36] Quintasan: isn't it just [15:37] quite a shame that [15:37] seriously, this power management thingy is getting annoying. it now says "empty battery" when its been plugged in for 6 hours [15:37] it needs the licencing for the icons clarified (although I don't know why it includes a dozen different icons themes) [15:37] and it needs to be sure it follows its own licence for multiverse [15:37] Riddell: AFAIK all icons but everaldo's are GPL-2 [15:38] Quintasan: tango isn't [15:38] there's also no GPL copy included [15:38] well I need to poke them. I got the source from SVN [15:39] I hope they have irc channel [15:39] I don't think so [15:39] the guy likes to chat to me on gmail talk [15:39] maco: I have the same isue on my Acer 6930. [15:39] agateau: kdepim patches uploaded [15:39] Riddelll: thanks! [15:40] rgreening: this is for you ^ [15:40] maco: Sometimes when I am updating, it starts working again (due to one of the underlying services being restarted) [15:40] should fix your problem with kmail and indicators [15:40] agateau: you are awesome [15:40] tell this to the plasma devs :) [15:40] agateau: now.. how about akregator :) [15:40] too late for Karmic I think [15:40] agateau: lol.. you need to do a screencast showing how it all works... [15:41] agateau: nah, not too late huh Riddelll... we have a standing FFe for KDE :P [15:41] screencast could be a good idea, if I find the time [15:41] * rgreening thinks making akregator work would be the fashizzel [15:42] * agateau wonders what fashizzel can be [15:42] agateau: I think a screencast would allow everyone to see how smooth it all looks in comparison. [15:42] I agree [15:42] agateau: fashizzel, shiz, da bomb, dope, rad == awesome [15:42] :P [15:43] oh ok [15:43] got to love gang slang [15:43] agateau: maybe we can do a pod cast on the notifications :P talk with Nick Ali... [15:45] hehe [15:51] Riddell: about UDS - I need to ask my parents for permission first but I think they will agree. I would need passport, signed permission to attending, what else? [15:52] Quintasan: to be free on the dates and to be picked for sponsorship (I just forward the names) [15:53] Hmm, okay, I'm going to ask them when my dad's back [15:53] Hey guys on kde's nm why does it ask for the phone number of my 3g dongle? [15:53] davmor2: it doesn't have a built in list like nm-applet does [15:54] davmor2: do you know the number? [15:54] Riddelll: Of course not and no [15:55] Riddelll: this was on kne but I'm firing up a kubuntu to see if it is the same [15:55] it is the same [16:00] Riddelll: I'll let you know in a minute then but the basic section lists phone number which I'm assuming is for if your connecting via your phone [16:12] Anybody want to point me where to read up on package propagation, or "how to get updates faster" (finding an updated mirror or similar) with Ubuntu? === hunger is now known as hunger_ === hunger_ is now known as hunger [16:15] The fix is still building: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.1-0ubuntu8 [16:21] Jon: Thanks. [16:35] I can tell kdebase-workspace compiled this time, rosetta is spamming me to hell === ruphy_ is now known as ruphy [16:37] * kjeldahl grins [16:38] Riddelll: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/3g.png is what I get [16:41] txwikinger_work: are you wanting to come to UDS? [16:41] Riddelll: I am thinking about it [16:47] Riddelll: setup a rosetta folder and a mail rule and ignore it ;) [16:49] Riddelll: what do you want me to do about the loveliness that assumes my 3g dongle is a phone then? [17:20] Riddelll: Bug 436020 [17:20] Launchpad bug 436020 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement "kde network-manager should make 3g dongles easier to connect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436020 [17:43] logout button can be added to the desktop [17:58] Just got the bugfixes and kubuntu-desktop seems to install fine again. Hopefully my desktop will be back when I arrive at the office tomorrow. Thank you for helping out. [17:58] Riddell: Hmm, there will be no problems with my parents, but I need a vista to pass the border :/ [17:59] lol, visa* [17:59] Quintasan: sure XP wont work [17:59] haha [17:59] xD [17:59] :P [18:00] Riddell: is any one working on making the 3g experience using knetworkmanager more friendly like nm-applet? I'm considering working on it, but I don't want to step on any toes. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [18:02] oh man, it sucks [18:02] hell yeah, nearest embassy ~= 350km :/ [18:40] MIR for libepub-dev was approved and it will be in main, after the first package depends on it bug 432775 [18:40] Launchpad bug 432775 in ebook-tools "Main inclusion request for ebook-tools" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432775 [18:40] okular build fine with it, but unfortunately there is a bug in libepub0 and it requires a fix bug 435826 [18:41] Launchpad bug 435826 in ebook-tools "okular cannot parse the structure of an epub document" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435826 === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [18:42] Do we have a fix for it? [18:42] so although ebook-tools is still in universe, I guess it needs a sponsor for main. I am not sure, if the changes would affect the approval for main? [18:42] ScottK: a debdiff is attached to the bug report [18:50] ScottK: have you tried the ubiquity under netbook? Fonts are huge..I think we need an adjustment for the font settings reapplied (seems that are not applied anymore) [18:52] rgreening: I did a reinstall for Alpha 6. It didn't seem particularly huge then. [18:52] I'd ask shtylman. [18:58] ScottK: Im doing a daily from today... [18:59] ScottK: but I remember it being this way for a while. [18:59] ScottK: are we sure we have the fonts adjusted for netbook? [19:00] rgreening: In Ubiquity, no. shtylman discussed maybe having a way to discover a small screen and then use different CSS. [19:02] ScottK: ah... I would have though it got hints from system as CSS should use relative and not fixed sizes (like 0.5em for example rather than 7pt) [19:02] shtylman: ^^ [19:03] rgreening: I'd have thought I don't know a thing about it and you should ask shtylman. [19:03] ScottK: I asked u for default system settings if it was applied for knds... :P [19:05] hmm.. yeah, all fonts in system settings are at 7 point.... small should technically be smaller than the others though... heh [19:05] * rgreening check konq [19:07] ScottK: konqueror fonts need adjusting... medium = 12 and min = 7... should be smaller to be consistent I guess... [19:09] ScottK: is the clock (time) in your netbook titlebar cut off? If so, try setting smal font to 6pt and see if it fixes it. I think we should adjust small to be 6pt [19:09] rgreening: It is. [19:09] Sounds readonable to me. [19:10] ScottK: ok, what package is that.... kubuntu netbook default settings? correct? [19:10] I can try and make the change [19:11] rgreening: Yes. [19:11] ok.. getting now [19:19] Riddelll: I'm taking the ebook-tools upload for neversfelde. Will you promote it so okular can build-depend on it. === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:25] kdegraphics is ready, so I can push it to bzr, if patched ebook-tools goes into the archive [19:26] neversfelde: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [19:26] ScottK: thanks [19:26] neversfelde: BTW, don't mention the maintainer change in debian/changelog. [19:29] So I'm settings up a kde4 development environment to do some work on it, this will be in paralell with the 9.10 alpha kde 4 packages... My plan is to use kdesvn-build and install it into my home directory and make a script to enter that environment for running things... Is there anything I should keep in mind or a better way to manage the environment that you guys generally use? [19:30] ScottK: committed knds small font fix (marked 9.10.10 as UNRELEASED).. so, feel free to upload at leisure... [19:30] ScottK: ok [19:30] there was an error with debuild, so I had to change the maintainer [19:32] neversfelde: You were correct to change it, it just didn't need mentioning in the changelog. [19:33] I learned, that everything has to be in changelog :D. I will not mention it in future anymore. [19:34] This one is specifically called out in Ubuntu Policy as not needed. [19:35] ok [19:54] Does Koala ship with kopete-krunner ? [19:57] !info kopete-krunner karmic [19:57] Package kopete-krunner does not exist in karmic [19:57] skreech: doesnt look promising... [19:58] !info plasma-runner-kopete [19:58] Package plasma-runner-kopete does not exist in jaunty [19:58] !info plasma-runner-kopete karmic [19:58] plasma-runner-kopete (source: plasma-runner-kopete): Start chat with your Kopete contacts using KRunner. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB [19:58] not by default [19:59] hmm. ScottK the small font changed worked on the live usb... does seem todo anything for me after install... but it is a saner default I believe... [20:02] s/does/doesn't/ [20:02] JontheEchinda: see that's why I want a kubuntu-komplete package :( [20:28] nice [20:28] someone is doing nightly mesa PPAs [20:30] rgreening: Maybe you could see if notmart will help you figure out the problem where only one app per catagory gets remembered in favorites for the app picker. [20:31] hehe [21:00] ScottK: nothing about ebook in New, what should I be looking for? === Riddelll changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Brr, Beta Freeze | Feature and UI Freeze in effect | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts === Riddelll changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Brr, Beta Freeze, Feature and UI Freeze in effect | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [21:01] mhh, I hoped that the epub support could go in before :/ [21:02] neversfelde: we can sneak it in, but I'm not quite sure what needs doing [21:04] Riddelll: bug 435826 was already marked as fixed released, does that mean that it is in the archive? [21:04] Launchpad bug 435826 in ebook-tools "okular cannot parse the structure of an epub document" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435826 [21:06] neversfelde: looks like it is but it's in universe, do you know if there's a MIR? [21:06] Riddelll: yes, pitti approved it and said that libepub0 and libepub-dev will go to main, when there is a package that depends on it [21:07] one moment, I will search the bug report [21:07] Riddelll: bug 432775 [21:07] Launchpad bug 432775 in ebook-tools "Main inclusion request for ebook-tools" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432775 [21:08] so if everything is ok, kdegraphics with epub support is in bzr [21:15] yay [21:16] something is wrong with the import filter for ms documents for koffice 2.1 beta, I get a lot of mails about it here :) [21:24] vorian: ping [21:25] Riddelll: I accepted ebook-tools (since it was still in Universe). It needs to get promoted so we can build-depend on it. [21:33] * JontheEchinda thinks bug 436088 could be an indicator issue [21:33] Launchpad bug 436088 in kdepim "kmail crashed with SIGSEGV in QString::replace()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436088 [21:33] That backtrace is huge liek xbox [21:34] Riddelll: I have my parents aprroval. Please put me on the list [21:35] Quintasan|Szel: There is a form to fill out. [21:36] oh [21:36] Quintasan: ^ [21:36] Sign here here here here there in blood here and here with this special pen [21:36] Quintasan|Szel: Check Jono's blog. It's got a link to where you have to fill it out. [21:37] skreech: Sounds good too me :D [21:37] to* [21:38] * Quintasan|Szel looks around for a razor [21:38] Use apacehelogger. He's sharp [21:39] should ebook-tools in bug 345672 also be marked with fixed released? [21:39] Launchpad bug 345672 in ebook-tools "Okular epub support missing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345672 [21:39] * Quintasan|Szel grabs apachelogger [21:39] Where? :P [21:41] neversfelde: It should be fix released in epub-tools, but not KDE [21:42] ScottK: not KDE? [21:42] Ah! [21:42] ksnapshot not being on Printscreen [21:42] That's a paperkut [21:43] skreech: +1 === dendrobates is now known as zz_dendrobates [21:43] also Kickoff should be under win/meta key [21:44] but ksnapshot is on printscreen [21:46] neversfelde: kdegraphics. It should be open against that until it's fixed there. [21:46] It is for me because I set it manually [21:46] does it still make sense to report paperKuts? now that there is the freeze? [21:46] skreech on a fresh install of Jaunty ksnapshot is on printscreen, too ... is it not anymore on karmic? [21:47] Stuff like that we can possibly fix post-beta. [21:47] Well. I'm going to bed, tomorrow ain't Saturday :< [21:47] Night everyone [21:48] ScottK: it was marked fixed released automatically from janitor [22:01] Quintasan: added, don't know when we'll hear who gets chosen === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [23:02] qyoto package is broken [23:03] it looks for libqyotoshared.so but it's called libqyoto.so [23:05] wow new LP looks pretty bad, i thought it was just konqueror/arora [23:08] bug 419771 ^ [23:08] Launchpad bug 419771 in kdebindings "Missing symlink/misplaced file in libqyoto4.4-cil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419771 [23:11] from #kde-bindings (thought i'd relay directly) "and if it isn't properly found, then go yell at the ubuntu packagers for screwing it up - and just gently tell them to take the working things from debian. [23:13] Who was that? [23:13] pusling [23:14] Figures [23:14] don't know anything about him [23:14] He's a Debian KDE DD and not famous for his people skills. === flacoste is now known as flacoste_afk === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3