[00:02] <beuno> mrevell, ping?
[00:02] <mrevell> hi beuno
[00:02] <beuno> blog posts seem to be coming up, but some can't be accessed, although they are linked?
[00:02] <beuno> wow, I didn't *really* expect you to be around  :)
[00:04] <mrevell> beuno: Hi man. No, I didn't expect to be around :) The posts are there but they're not due to be published until 3.0 is released. I don't wanna publish a 3.0 announcement before the 3.0 release :) It just sucks that edge links to broken blog posts. Hopefully next cycle we'll have a real live blog feed there instead.
[00:04] <beuno> mrevell, but this has already been published: http://blog.launchpad.net/releases/launchpad-3-0-is-here-new-ui-and-more
[00:05] <beuno> but the links to teh interviews haven't
[00:06] <mrevell> beuno: Then that's me getting confused by which timezone the blog server is running on :) Being as we're supposed to be released shortly I'll bring forward the interview publication. Thanks for pointing that out.
[00:06] <beuno> mrevell, thank you
[00:06] <beuno> and
[00:06] <beuno> go to bed  :)
[00:06] <beuno> I'm in an Ubuntu board meeting
[00:06] <beuno> that's my excuse
[00:07] <mrevell> beuno: heh :) You don't even have a different timezone to excuse you :)
[00:08] <wgrant> mrevell: Typo in the first post.
[00:08] <wgrant> s/weere/were/
[00:09] <mrevell> wgrant: thanks, fixed
[00:10] <mrevell> I'm going to lie down for a while, night all
[00:10] <wgrant> Night mrevell.
[00:27] <wgrant> So that's what the Technical Architect does. What does the Project Strategist do?
[00:28] <lifeless> you tell us:P
[00:28] <lifeless> what does jml do ?
[00:35] <rockstar> thumper, do you happen to be packing, or is that what tomorrow is for?
[00:46] <wgrant> The front page now tells me that Ubuntu is related to MySQL.
[00:46] <thumper> rockstar: I pack on the day normally
[00:47] <rockstar> thumper, well, what I was exploring is whether or not you'll be around tomorrow or if you're leaving tomorrow.
[00:47] <thumper> rockstar: I leave in 2 days time
[00:48] <rockstar> thumper, okay, so we can chat tomorrow.
[00:48] <thumper> rockstar: yes we can
[00:48] <thumper> rockstar: how's your voice?
[00:48] <bac> rockstar: have you tried lp.net since it came back up?
[00:48] <thumper> is it back?
[00:48] <bac> sort of
[00:48] <rockstar> bac, just looking now.
[00:48] <bac> rockstar: disable redirection and see if you get styling
[00:49] <rockstar> I don't have tabs on the home page.
[00:49] <bac> i am not
[00:49] <thumper> gah
[00:49] <bac> yeah, no tabs.  works on edge
[00:49] <rockstar> bac, it doesn't work on edge for me.
[00:49] <rockstar> Oh, well, now I do.
[00:49] <bac> rockstar: did you do a force reload/whatever
[00:49] <Ursinha> I used to hate those tabs
[00:49] <thumper> the coloured numbers have gone :(
[00:50] <thumper> edge looks good
[00:50] <wgrant> Woah, got a strange CSS breakage on bugs.launchpad.net. The watermark content was stacked vertically.
[00:51] <wgrant> Hm. Reproducable.
[00:51] <rockstar> Yeah, seems that production isn't doing CSS at all.
[00:52] <Ursinha> same here
[00:52] <wgrant> Argh, bugtask index regression for bugs with lots of tasks.
[01:03] <poolie> spm, there's nothing else in there aside from my mail headers
[01:03] <poolie> i can forward them
[01:03] <spm> poolie: please
[01:04] <poolie> as an rt, or just to you, or in a bug?
[01:05] <poolie> spm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/276652/
[01:05] <spm> paste is fine. :-)
[01:06] <maxb> From the live frontpage: "#
[01:06] <maxb> # Launchpad now open source! – 21 Jul 2009
[01:06] <maxb> Translate a phrase once, have it show up in all your releases.
[01:06] <maxb> "
[01:08] <poolie> heh
[01:08] <maxb> blog integration fail :-/
[01:08] <poolie> http://failblog.org/2008/07/22/translation-fail/
[01:09] <poolie> Also:
[01:09] <poolie> > If you're ready, you can: Read the user guide
[01:09] <lifeless> classic
[01:09] <poolie> ooh, am i ready for that?
[01:09] <poolie> i don't know...
[01:11]  * thumper -> lunch
[01:11] <wgrant> The layout of the featured project section is a bit misleading if the day's project is a project group.
[01:18] <poolie> mm, and they have watery descriptions
[01:18] <poolie> or the netrek one does
[01:18] <wgrant> MySQL's was much much worse.
[01:18] <wgrant> But that was only up for an hour.
[01:37] <wgrant> The first blog post link is still broken.
[01:37] <wgrant> Though the article is available.
[01:58]  * mwhudson lunches
[03:39] <poolie> spm, i got another bounce from forster 8m ago
[03:39] <spm> poolie: yeah, still working on it
[03:48] <thumper> mwhudson: any reason why we don't allow git imports over https?
[03:48] <mwhudson> thumper: i didn't know git worked over https
[03:48] <mwhudson> thumper: it's probably just a matter of relaxing the Field?
[03:49]  * thumper nods
[03:52] <thumper> mwhudson: do you have the bzr-git plugin locally?
[03:52] <mwhudson> thumper: sometimes
[03:53] <mwhudson> doesn't seem like i do right now
[03:53] <thumper> hmm, ok
[03:56] <spm> poolie: fyi. should all be good now.
[04:18] <wgrant> How does the freeze go after release? Does everything remain frozen until after the reroll?
[04:24] <wgrant> OOPS-1363EC162
[04:25] <wgrant> I cannot file an Ubuntu bug on edge, although it works on production.
[04:25] <wgrant> Aha.
[04:25] <wgrant> I think I know why.
[04:26] <wgrant> Nrrrrg @ last-minute changes with incomplete tests.
[04:26] <wgrant> Is that OOPS complaining that a DistributionSourcePackage has no bug_supervisor?
[04:28] <thumper> wgrant: I'll look for you
[04:28] <thumper> wgrant: although may need to wait a few minutes as oopses are synced every 10 minutes
[04:30] <wgrant> Odd that it doesn't affect production, though. Does the production config not have malone.ubuntu_disable_filebug enabled?
[04:40] <poolie> thumper: it looks like the merges sent in email when new mps are created include conflict markers?
[04:40] <poolie> nm, mwh confirmed it's by design
[04:41] <mwhudson> wgrant: ForbiddenAttribute: ('bug_supervisor', <lp.registry.model.distributionsourcepackage.DistributionSourcePackage object at 0xbe86dd0>)
[04:42] <mwhudson> wgrant: so yes, you're basically right
[04:43] <wgrant> mwhudson: Great.
[04:43] <wgrant> Thanks.
[06:01] <mwhudson> thumper: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/puller-proxy-argh/+merge/12327 ?
[06:02]  * thumper looks
[06:02] <thumper> mwhudson: what about hosted branches?
[06:03] <mwhudson> thumper: we access them over a fancy local transport basically
[06:03] <thumper> but needs proxy or doesn't care?
[06:03] <mwhudson> isn't involved
[06:03] <mwhudson> so doesn't care
[06:03] <thumper> ok
[06:04]  * thumper waits for the diff
[06:04] <thumper> mwhudson: I think I have a test to confirm recording the failure
[06:04] <thumper> but making schema right now
[06:09] <thumper> mwhudson: done
[06:09] <thumper> mwhudson: I asked for bac to rc it
[06:12] <thumper> I'm wondering how often the mail processor runs though
[06:13] <thumper> hmm,
[06:13] <thumper> it failed for some reason
[06:13] <thumper> :(
[06:13]  * thumper looks for the oops
[06:13] <thumper> fuck!!!"
[06:13] <thumper> FFS
[06:13]  * thumper shakes his fists
[06:14]  * thumper wants to curl up into a ball
[06:16] <mwhudson> thumper: ?
[06:20] <thumper> mwhudson: when I tried to request bac using email https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1363CEMAIL1
[06:20]  * thumper is making another branch
[06:21] <thumper> mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/job-fail/+merge/12328
[06:21] <mwhudson> thumper: aaaaaaa
[06:21] <mwhudson> thumper: also, "huh" ?
[06:22] <thumper> mwhudson: when I request another reviewer, we send them email
[06:22] <thumper> mwhudson: which includes the diff
[06:22] <mwhudson> it would be rare to have missing permissions for the launchpad user
[06:22] <mwhudson> dbuser
[06:22] <mwhudson> thumper: yeah
[06:22] <thumper> mwhudson: the process mail script tried to send the mail
[06:22] <mwhudson> thumper: oh!
[06:22] <thumper> yeah
[06:22] <mwhudson> la-di-da
[06:27] <mwhudson> wgrant: btw my ami-from-scratch branch should now let you make an image based on an arbitrary one and run the tests
[06:27] <mwhudson> wgrant: for example ec2 test -m based-on:<some blank ami>
[06:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: Very nice.
[06:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: Although I certainly see why they need pre-population.
[06:28] <mwhudson> (i haven't tried a non-hardy base yet, but i don't know of a reason why it might not work)
[06:28] <wgrant> The checkout of RF is sloooow.
[06:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: The sources.list entries are hardcoded, for one thing.
[06:28] <mwhudson> wgrant: not any more :)
[06:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: Ah, handy.
[06:29] <wgrant> mwhudson: Apart from that it works OK.
[06:29] <mwhudson> wgrant: cool
[06:29] <wgrant> The only other change I made that wasn't a workaround for a Karmic bug was adding '-o Apt::Install-Recommends=no' to the apt-get arguments to avoid downloading so much crap.
[06:30] <mwhudson> ah ok
[06:32] <mwhudson> that's probably a good idea
[06:32] <mwhudson> wgrant: could you do that with /etc/apt/preferences or some similar file too?
[06:32] <wgrant> mwhudson: You could.
[06:32] <wgrant> And I do normally.
[06:33] <wgrant> I forget the incantation.
[06:33]  * wgrant hunts.
[06:34] <wgrant> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
[06:34] <wgrant> In a file somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[06:43] <thumper> mwhudson: I have a test for the permission failure too
[06:43] <mwhudson> thumper: cool
[06:45] <mwhudson> thumper: i reviewed your first branch
[06:46] <thumper> mwhudson: ta
[06:46] <thumper> test just pushed up
[06:46] <thumper> the diff should update shortly \o/
[06:46] <thumper> I confirmed it failed with the same error first
[06:46] <thumper> and then it passed after I made schema
[06:50] <thumper> mwhudson: and on that note, I'm EODing
[06:50] <thumper> I'll check later
[06:50] <thumper> mwhudson: thanks for the reviews
[06:50] <mwhudson> thumper: ok
[07:16]  * mwhudson eods
[07:31] <noodles775> Morning all.
[07:36] <spm> hey noodles775
[07:40] <mwhudson> morning noodles775
[07:41] <noodles775> hi guys :)
[07:48] <spm> mwhudson: that eod thing.... didn't your folks tell you that telling lies is naughty? ;-)
[07:48] <mwhudson> spm: emma's away at the moment so i don't get told off for coming back to the computer in the evening :)
[07:48] <spm> haha
[08:25] <jml> so, what's up in #launchpad-dev?
[08:25] <lifeless> stuf
[08:25] <lifeless> f
[08:25] <lifeless> f
[08:27] <mwhudson> jml: i greet you as you greeted me this morning!
[08:28] <jml> mwhudson, with something to review? :)
[08:28] <mwhudson> jml: yes
[08:28] <jml> mwhudson, wonderful.
[08:39] <noodles775> Thanks BjornT for updating the windmill infrastructure! (I'm just catching up on email). Being able to use the factory will be *very* helpful for soyuz windmill tests!
[08:39] <noodles775> heh... gone.
[08:42] <noodles775> Thanks BjornT for updating the windmill infrastructure! (I'm just catching up on email). Being able to use the factory will be *very* helpful for soyuz windmill tests!
[08:43] <BjornT> noodles775: np. it was actually quite fun :)
[08:45] <lifeless> ouch
[08:46] <lifeless> I just read the current rocketfuel-setup...
[08:46] <lifeless> its quite the little dpkg replacement not
[08:46] <lifeless> s/not/now/
[08:46] <wgrant> Why?
[08:47] <lifeless> installing files into your system wide path
[08:47] <lifeless> [I'm not mentioning the appalling amount of system that make install does]
[08:48] <wgrant> So it does.
[08:48] <wgrant> install has always scared me a bit.
[08:48] <wgrant> I don't normally expect a make target to eat my Apache.
[08:48] <lifeless> indeed
[08:51] <mwhudson> apache :(
[08:51] <mwhudson> i have this cunning plan to take it away and use a twisted web server instead of apache
[08:53] <mwhudson> allenap: fancy a call in a bit?
[08:54] <allenap> mwhudson: Yeah, sure. 5 minutes okay?
[08:55] <mwhudson> allenap: a bit more than that would be better, actually
[08:55] <mwhudson> allenap: 35 mins?
[08:55] <allenap> mwhudson: Yeah, that works too. 0830 UTC then.
[08:55] <mwhudson> cool
[08:58] <jml> mwhudson, you mean a tornado server, right :P
[08:58] <mwhudson> jml: oh yes, rigth
[09:01] <jml> mwhudson, was my unannounced diff > 800 lines?
[09:03] <mwhudson> jml: i think it's 850
[09:03] <mwhudson> jml: if you don't have time to review it, no worries
[09:03] <mwhudson> jml: it's not going to land until monday or so anyway, after all
[09:11] <mrevell> Morning
[09:19] <jml> I love the 3.0 UI, but it's making me realize how much more awesome Launchpad could be.
[09:20] <wgrant> There must be a better place for the registration slot.
[09:20] <wgrant> It currently sits a few pixels below the level of the tabs, which doesn't make sense and looks beyond strange.
[09:23] <mwhudson> jml: well a path between here and there is your job :)
[09:24] <jml> mwhudson, yes :)
[09:24] <jml> mwhudson, I was just looking at your merge proposal and realized that it fixed a bug that wgrant filed... way too many clicks for me to tell Launchpad at that
[09:24] <jml> s/at/about/
[09:25] <wgrant> Which bug did I file?
[09:25] <mwhudson> public ec2 image one
[09:25] <jml> no!
[09:25] <mwhudson> no?
[09:25] <jml> "rocketfuel-setup is broken"
[09:25] <mwhudson> oh right
[09:25] <wgrant> Ah. Excellent.
[09:26] <jml> but I had to open the branch page, then open a bugs page, search for the bug to find the ID and then copy paste it into the branch page and then close both tabs and return to the MP
[09:26] <wgrant> The MP page normally shows the bugs for me.
[09:27] <wgrant> But I didn't see an email about that branch being linked.
[09:27] <wgrant> So mwhudson didn't tell bzr.
[09:27] <wgrant> So LP could not have known.
[09:27] <jml> wgrant, why can't I link a bug from the MP page?
[09:27] <jml> wgrant, why does the bug/branch link form not let me search for bugs?
[09:27] <jml> that's what I mean.
[09:27] <wgrant> Oh, right, I misread that you couldn't see from the MP page that it fixed the bug.
[09:27] <wgrant> Sorry.
[09:29] <wgrant> jml: So, what does the Project Strategist do?
[09:30] <spm> wgrant: "other duties as directed" ;-)
[09:31] <jml> wgrant, run around like a headless chook making macabrely distorted clucking noises
[09:31] <wgrant> jml: Ah, excellent. that is what the project has been missing all these years.
[09:32] <allenap> mwhudson: Ready when you are, but I'm in no rush.
[09:36] <jml> wgrant, more seriously, define our overall strategy, get people excited about it, define features, listen to stakeholders, review db patches.
[09:36] <mwhudson> allenap: now works for me
[09:37] <wgrant> jml: Aha.
[09:38] <wgrant> I've been wondering for a while whether LP branches are redistributable. Don't they contain a whole lot of proprietary, undistributable code without a license that we're not even meant to have?
[09:39] <jml> wgrant, answering such questions is not the responsibility of the Product Strategist.
[09:39]  * jml reviews patches
[09:46] <mwhudson> allenap: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/422385
[09:46] <mup> Bug #422385: Graph of test run times <build-infrastructure> <test-system> <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/422385>
[09:49] <henninge> sinzui: Hi!
[09:49] <sinzui> hi henninge
[09:50] <henninge> sinzui: I just reported bug 435712 and bug 435743
[09:50] <mup> Bug #435712: Move registration and status informartion from heading slot to main and registering slot. <story-ui-3> <Launchpad Answers:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435712>
[09:50] <mup> Bug #435743: Bread crumb missing for a single question <Launchpad Answers:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435743>
[09:50] <sinzui> hmm
[09:50] <henninge> sinzui: is that planned to be fixed already or shall I prepare a branch?
[09:51] <sinzui> I wonder if that relates to the FAQ bug I reported two weeks ago
[09:51] <henninge> sinzui: well, that title is borked, too.
[09:52] <sinzui> henninge: rockstar is handling Answers. If you see an opportunity to fix it please do
[09:52] <henninge> Launchpad itself FAQ #44: "Is it possible to link a project to packages in a PPA?"
[09:52] <henninge> sinzui: OK, just wanted to avoid doubled work.
[09:52] <sinzui> henninge: I report that there are no titles on faqs
[09:52] <henninge> sinzui: there is now but it's too verbose.
[09:53] <henninge> sinzui: I'll just update the bug description
[09:55] <bigjools> wgrant: yo
[09:56] <sinzui> henninge: They FAQ title issue may be harder. I talked to rockstar about this and we discovered that FAQ does not have a view, the ZCML is generating a view for the template and IFAQ. If making a view with a page_title is hard, consider it out of scope.
[09:56] <wgrant> bigjools: Hi. You want my priorities?
[09:56] <bigjools> wgrant: how did you guess
[09:56] <henninge> sinzui: OK, I just updated the bug for now.
[09:57] <wgrant> bigjools: Less than 30 seconds before you called I decided I should start collating them.
[09:57] <henninge> bac: do I submit 3.0 UI fixes to db-devel to be included in the 2nd roll-out?
[09:57] <bigjools> wgrant: the deadline expired already!  But since you're so great I will make an exception.
[09:58] <wgrant> bigjools: I'm not sure I can give any valid data. That's why I've not responded.
[09:58] <sinzui> wgrant: I would like your priorities for Registry, If you can find time to think about it, I would appreciate it.
[09:59] <wgrant> bigjools: The only real wish I had was from an archive admin, and that is to make the queue page suck less.
[09:59] <wgrant> I cannot give any more on behalf of MOTU.
[10:00] <bigjools> wgrant: yeah, that page is major suck.  Any insights into how to make it better are gratefully received
[10:00] <wgrant> bigjools: Well, there are a couple of people doing archive admin without shell access now, so it might be possible to get input.
[10:00] <bigjools> wgrant: understanding the MOTU workflow would be a good start
[10:01] <wgrant> sinzui: Why does MOTU have input for Registry?
[10:03] <sinzui> wgrant: Because Registry owns distro, distroseries, distrosourcepackages, sourcepackages.
[10:04] <sinzui> wgrant: maybe I do not need your help with these, but I think you may have insights into how we can improve the workflow for linking packages to upstream, and ensuring the information and actions use need on those pages are present.
[10:05] <wgrant> sinzui: Ah, I completely forgot that somebody owned packagings. They haven't been touched in years.
[10:05] <wgrant> Anyway, fooding.
[10:56] <deryck> Morning, all.
[10:56] <noodles775> hiya deryck
[10:58] <wgrant> deryck: Morning. Sorry for not getting priorities to you on time, but I do now have one.
[10:58] <wgrant> Version tracking.
[10:59] <deryck> wgrant, hi.  no worries.  can you explain a bit what you mean?
[11:01] <wgrant> deryck: At the moment there's no way to tell in which version of a package or project a bug is present.
[11:01] <wgrant> deryck: This really sucks.
[11:01] <noodles775> wgrant: regarding the queue... although we didn't get to do it as part of 3-0, we started documenting a lot of the use-cases etc. at https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzDistroSeriesQueueImprovementsSpec (and the page linked from it).
[11:01] <wgrant> The Debian BTS allows people to track in which version a bug is present, and in which it was fixed. It sucks less.
[11:02] <deryck> wgrant, ok, gotcha
[11:04] <jml> deryck, good morning.
[11:04] <jml> deryck, I feel I should draw your attention to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/435651
[11:04] <mup> Bug #435651: Unable to edit bugs <Launchpad Bugs:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435651>
[11:04] <wgrant> noodles775: I think I've seen that before.
[11:05] <wgrant> jml: ScottK was.... displeased, to say the least, about that.
[11:05] <deryck> jml, yes, that's a dupe of another bug.  it's a high priority, in the really really high sense of the word high. :)
[11:05] <deryck> jml, that is coming up a lot.
[11:06] <jml> deryck, ok, that's good news :)
[11:06] <noodles775> wgrant: yep - I got you to contribute to it back then - I just meant that it'd be good to continue documenting there (if people have ideas/issues) so we can address needs properly this time (I think there's been a few attempts).
[11:06] <jml> wgrant, I'd be very upset if it affected me.
[11:06] <deryck> jml, I had wanted to fix it this week, but just not enough hours in the day.
[11:07] <jml> deryck, understood. it's been an unusually busy week, to say the least.
[11:08] <deryck> indeed
[11:09] <jml> actually, just thinking about this whole mess makes me want to purchase a muffin.
[11:09] <jml> I think I'll do that.
[11:19] <lifeless> deryck: if its high priority, can I humbly suggest it's metadata be updated accordingly?
[11:20]  * lifeless finds the new location to look for dups
[11:20] <lifeless> is there a bug that 'is a dup is not part of the main /data/ area for bugs ?
[11:21] <beuno> lifeless, no. It's a global action, so it went into the global actions menu
[11:21] <wgrant> It's not global.
[11:21] <lifeless> beuno: *setting* it is global. READING it is now.
[11:21] <wgrant> It's no more global than the status.
[11:21] <lifeless> s/now/not/
[11:22] <beuno> ah
[11:22] <beuno> yes
[11:22] <beuno> so, deryck inherited a branch from me that fixes that
[11:22] <beuno> removes the bugtask table for dupes, with a big ass message telling you it's a dupe of X
[11:22] <beuno> with a link
[11:22] <beuno> as in "nothing to see here, move along"
[11:22] <lifeless> nice
[11:23] <lifeless> though perhaps having the table greyed out or something would be useful for folk trying to decide if the bug realyl isa dup
[11:23] <beuno> do yuo think the table gives you information about the bug?
[11:23] <beuno> rather than the description and comments?
[11:24] <jml> beuno, if it affects more than one project, it gives you info
[11:24] <beuno> a little bit, yes
[11:24] <jml> beuno, yes, a little.
[11:25] <beuno> that needs some thought then
[11:25] <jml> beuno, this is a tangent, but...
[11:25] <jml> beuno, what if we made /bugs/NNNN be the canonical_url of a bug
[11:25] <lifeless> beuno: /data/ gives me data.
[11:26] <lifeless> beuno: how much from that particular atom? I don't know; but I know its easier to ignore something greyed out than write an API call to read it when its hidden.
[11:27] <beuno> jml, I'm all for that
[11:28] <jml> beuno, what would the page look like for bugs with multiple tasks?
[11:28] <jml> (bearing in mind that dupe bugs won't show the task table)
[11:28] <beuno> jml, when there's a contextless URL?
[11:29] <jml> beuno, yeah.
[11:29] <beuno> yeah, it gets interesting
[11:29] <beuno> no logo, no links to other bugs...
[11:30] <beuno> (when you have multiple bugtasks)
[11:30] <beuno> we spent a lot of time talking about it in the BA bugs UI sprint
[11:30] <beuno> there are probably mockups of it...
[11:30] <beuno> let me find it...
[11:30] <beuno> (the quick answer is: other parts of Launchpad need changing)
[11:32] <deryck> lifeless, sorry was on call.  it's ok now?  This was just confusion over where dupe info is displayed?
[11:32] <beuno> ok, no mockups
[11:38] <jml> where are the docs describing the rules for commit messages on Launchpad?
[11:41] <lifeless> deryck: yah, you said 'bug X is high and I mean really high', but it claimed to be unconfirmed, new.
[11:41] <lifeless> deryck: then I saw that it was a dup.
[11:42] <deryck> lifeless, gotcha.
[13:11] <lifeless> \o/ just got a team joining mail that referenced launchpad.dev
[13:13] <james_w> lifeless: a bit like bug 357336?
[13:13] <mup> Bug #357336: "You have been added to <team>" mail contains invalid (API) link <api> <Launchpad Registry:Fix Released by bjornt> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/357336>
[13:14] <danilos> noodles775: hi, I am going to fix one small UI bug in translations, and I wonder if you have a minute to discuss a proper fix for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/435346 (i.e. where should I include style="clear:both;" :)
[13:14] <mup> Bug #435346: 3.0 interface overflows sidebars and causes horizontal scrolling if you manually change browser font sizes <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435346>
[13:16] <danilos> jtv: ping
[13:16] <lifeless> james_w: sounds like it indeed
[13:22] <lifeless> bug 435834
[13:22] <mup> Bug #435834: Translator comment needed for links <i18n> <Ubiquity Slideshow for Ubuntu:New> <ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435834>
[13:22] <lifeless> bug 435843
[13:22] <mup> Bug #435843: team welcome mail references launchpad.dev <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435843>
[13:22] <lifeless> ^^^
[13:24] <wgrant> Huh. It's actually hardcoded in the email snippet.
[13:33] <lifeless> wgrant: I assumed so when I saw it
[13:33] <lifeless> wgrant: as I couldn't see API's generating that particular URL :P
[13:35] <noodles775> danilos: sure... looking now.
[13:40] <danilos> noodles775: thanks
[13:42] <mrevell> jml: ping
[13:44] <noodles775> danilos: so adding clear:both to the #maincontent rule (style-3-0.css line 7) is probably a good place...
[13:44] <noodles775> danilos: it fixes the issue for me in FF with mthaddon's setup.
[13:44] <noodles775> danilos: can you test that in epiphany?
[13:46] <danilos> noodles775: sure
[13:49] <purserj> just out of curiosity, is there an admin panel type setup for launchpad?
[14:01] <jml> mrevell, hi
[14:02] <mrevell> hi jml, I pung you right? Now I need to remember why
[14:02] <jml> you did.
[14:51] <leonardr> james_w, gary told me you had a question about launchpadlib yesterday. do you still have the question?
[14:51] <james_w> about lazr.restful I guess actually
[14:52] <leonardr> james_w: ok, i can answer that as well
[14:52] <james_w> just trying to find the paste
[14:54] <james_w> leonardr: I filed bug 435309, and did some grepping and came up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/276442/ . I was wondering how far that was likely to be from working.
[14:54] <mup> Bug #435309: Please expose +delete on branches <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435309>
[14:55] <james_w> I'm forging web app requests now, so it's not critical, but hey, if I've got a patch for a bug then I might as well submit it, eh?
[14:55] <leonardr> james_w: that diff is code that you wrote?
[14:55] <james_w> yeah
[14:56] <james_w> based on some code I found for milestones
[14:56] <leonardr> james_w: instead of export_write_operation, use export_destructor_operation
[14:56] <leonardr> and don't use export_as
[14:56] <leonardr> what you've done is publish a POST operation called 'delete'. the code you worked off of may have predated export_destructor_operation
[14:58] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I'm not sure how to test your bug 407055
[14:58] <mup> Bug #407055: NavigationMenu is still needed but not supported by base-layout <story-ui-3> <Launchpad Registry:Fix Released by sinzui> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/407055>
[15:01] <james_w> leonardr: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/277117/ ?
[15:02] <james_w> leonardr: break_references=False won't interfere with the check for free_parameters? That check is for explicit call_with that allows those parameter to be set in the API?
[15:03] <leonardr> james_w: give it a try, but if there's a default value for the parameter it shouldn't be counted
[15:03] <leonardr> if you actually want to expose break_references, you'll have to do it with POST
[15:03] <james_w> yeah
[15:03] <james_w> I'm a bit unsure about that anyway
[15:04] <james_w> It feels like you would want it to be True always, but it's obviously there for a reason
[15:05] <bac> hi mrevell
[15:05] <mrevell> hi bac!
[15:06] <bac> mrevell: could you add some thoughts on bug 435599, perhaps explain why we were using the non-human-readable blog URLs, comments on reachability w.r.t. embargo, etc?
[15:06] <mup> Bug #435599: Link to LP 3.0 blog post on front page is broken <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435599>
[15:06]  * mrevell looks
[15:07] <leonardr> james_w: talk to the code hosting team. you should be able to set the default-through-the-web-service to true
[15:08] <james_w> leonardr: I will do, thanks
[15:13] <abentley> james_w: break_references seems way too dangerous to be default.
[15:14] <james_w> abentley: is it possible to query the references?
[15:16] <abentley> james_w: Yes.  (that's what we show on the confirm page)
[15:17] <abentley> james_w: See Branch.deletionRequirements.
[15:17] <james_w> ok
[15:19] <bac> hi cprov
[15:19] <cprov> bac: hey
[15:19] <bac> cprov: what is the status of def-row?  could you update CRB?
[15:20] <cprov> bac: we will know in ~3h, code fix is r=noodles. Will do.
[15:20] <bac> cprov: so you just sent to ec2?
[15:20] <cprov> bac: no, I've cowboyed the patch in production, more effective ;)
[15:21]  * bac averts his eyes
[15:48] <mrevell> deryck: I'm getting an internal server error when I try to change a bug's project in the web UI. Want me to pastebin?
[15:49] <deryck> mrevell, sure
[15:49] <deryck> mrevell, and from what to what are you trying to change?
[15:50] <matsubara> Ursinha, stub, Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, henninge, sinzui, allenap: LP production meeting in 11 min at #launchpad-meeting
[15:50] <matsubara> make that 10 min :-)
[15:50] <mrevell> deryck: bug 432965 -- trying to change from launchpad to launchpad-doc -- https://pastebin.canonical.com/22552/
[15:50] <mup> Bug #432965: help for creating a branch for a project links to +junk <launchpad-documentation> <Launchpad Documentation:New for matthew.revell> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432965>
[15:54] <deryck> hmmm
[15:54] <deryck> mrevell, so the change did take for the bug, right?
[15:55] <mrevell> deryck: not AFAIK. I've tried twice and both times got that internal server error in a red pop-up
[15:55] <mrevell> deryck: Adding a comment work fine btw
[15:56] <deryck> mrevell, for this bug -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-documentation/+bug/432965 ?
[15:56] <mup> Bug #432965: help for creating a branch for a project links to +junk <launchpad-documentation> <Launchpad Documentation:New for matthew.revell> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432965>
[15:56] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: can you attend the Launchpad production meeting for me in #launchpad-meeting in 4 minutes. I am sprinting.
[15:56] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: ok
[15:57] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: is there any info I need to relay?
[15:57] <mrevell> deryck: Oh, okay, so the change did take but it didn't show on the page, instead I got the ISE
[15:58] <deryck> mrevell, this was via AJAX the first time?  Maybe the UI failed to update, but the change happened, which led to the error you're seeing now.
[15:59] <mrevell> deryck: Oh weird, right. Yeah, both times via Ajax
[16:00] <deryck> mrevell, I've made notes and will watch; if this happens again, we can file a bug.
[16:02] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: Barry will be available to work on the Expat error in the next 3 working days.
[16:07] <rockstar> henninge, why did you change bug 430332 into a completely different bug?
[16:07] <mup> Bug #430332: FAQs have too verbose titles <Launchpad Answers:Triaged by rockstar> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/430332>
[16:08] <deryck> kfogel, tags auto complete from official tags only.
[16:08] <henninge> rockstar: let me try to remember ...
[16:09] <henninge> rockstar: because they have title now but the wrong ones?
[16:09] <henninge> rockstar: ok, maybe I should have filed a new bug
[16:09] <deryck> bac, ping
[16:09] <bac> hi deryck
[16:09] <henninge> rockstar: and may, just thinking, I am talking about page headings and you may be talking about the page title?
[16:09] <rockstar> henninge, yes, could you please revert that bug and create a new one?
[16:09] <rockstar> henninge, I think that's also the case.
[16:10] <rockstar> Or reverse, really.
[16:10] <kfogel> deryck: AH.  Thanks.  I was confused, because (re bug #432965) I'd seen the "launchpad-documentation" tag on *other* bugs, and therefore expected it to complete on bug #432965 as well.
[16:10] <mup> Bug #432965: help for creating a branch for a project links to +junk <launchpad-documentation> <Launchpad Documentation:New for matthew.revell> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432965>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #432965: help for creating a branch for a project links to +junk <launchpad-documentation> <Launchpad Documentation:New for matthew.revell> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/432965>
[16:10] <kfogel> mrevell: see above re "launchpad-documentation" tag
[16:12] <deryck> kfogel, yeah, this is part of the problems with official vs unofficial tags.  only the most aggressive tagger/qa-er follows the distinction.
[16:12] <mrevell> kfogel: thanks, did you see my comment on the bug?
[16:12] <kfogel> deryck: well, the distinction is mysterious.  Now, if adding an unofficial tag resulted in a confirmation step or something, the user might be aware of what they're doing.
[16:13] <kfogel> (confirmation steps are not evil under all circumstances, they're only evil when they're easily habituatable, which this wouldn't be -- for those who want to observe the official/unofficial distinction, anyway).
[16:13] <deryck> right
[16:13] <kfogel> mrevell: I did.
[16:15] <henninge> rockstar: reverted
[16:15] <henninge> rockstar: filed bug 435973
[16:15] <mup> Bug #435973: FAQ page headings are too verbose <Launchpad Answers:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435973>
[16:15] <rockstar> henninge, thanks.
[16:36] <Fly-Man-> Simple question
[16:36] <Fly-Man-> Is the http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel the branch that also holds the latest ui changes for 3.0 ?
[16:48] <beuno> Fly-Man-, yes
[16:49] <beuno> it holds what is running on Launchpad or newer
[18:08] <bac> hi jml
[18:08] <jml> bac, hello
[18:08] <jml> it wasn't me.
[18:08] <bac> jml i am looking at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/code-to-branches/+merge/12288
[18:09] <bac> are noodles775's concerns still valid?  is this branch a risk for integration failure?
[18:09] <jml> it's always going to be a risk.
[18:09] <jml> I haven't tested the existing proposed branches yet.
[18:09] <bac> i know there is always risk.  based on his concerns is this one especially likely to cause problems?
[18:10] <jml> I'd have to look at the diffs of the other proposed branches to know for sure.
[18:10] <bac> jml:  i want to approve it.  can you run through ec2 again and submit before 0700UTC tomorrow?
[18:10] <jml> bac, sure. I can do that now.
[18:11] <bac> jml:  wonderful.  approved.  remember to use the magic to go to db-devel
[18:11] <jml> bac, I shall.
[18:11] <bac> (i only keep repeating that b/c it's the kind of thing i'd flub up.)
[18:11] <jml> bac, actually, I'll use the other branch I made
[18:12] <jml> ec2 land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/code-to-branches/+merge/12288 -s "Change the 'Code' tab to 'Branches'."
[18:12] <bac> oh, fancy
[18:12] <jml> yeah.
[18:12] <bac> jml how hard would it be for ec2 to mail a summary (just the test passed/failure list) to the MP?
[18:13] <jml> coming soon to a trunk near you.
[18:13] <jml> bac, only a little hard.
[18:13] <bac> i'd love to look at a MP and see the ec2 results
[18:13] <bac> jml-hard or mortal-hard?
[18:13] <jml> well, here's how I'd do it.
[18:14] <jml> I'd change ec2 to spit out subunit test results, rather than what it does now
[18:14] <jml> subunit basically being parseable test results.
[18:15] <jml> I'd then, I guess, add something to customize test output
[18:16] <bac> sounds good.  perhaps i'll suggest it to our next build engineer
[18:16] <mrevell> See you in the morning people.
[18:17] <jml> I think all the pieces are there actually
[18:17] <jml> I hacked zope.testing to do subunit output a while ago
[18:17] <jml> getting ec2test to use it is a necessary step for parallelizing across multiple machines.
[18:18] <sinzui> bac: ping
[18:18] <bac> sinzui: hi
[18:20] <sinzui> bac: I want an RC to land this branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/sprint-is-physical
[18:21] <sinzui> bac: This is db patch so that we can provide the feature to the UDS edge users quickly. Jorge needs this to do logistical planning for UDS
[18:22] <bac> sinzui: does it have db approval?
[18:23] <sinzui> bac: it has jml and stub's approval
[18:23] <bac> sinzui: is sabdfl's approval required?
[18:23] <sinzui> No. jml does schema approval
[18:24] <bac> oh, nice.
[18:25] <bac> sinzui: i'm going to have to defer until i can discuss it with flacoste
[18:25] <sinzui> bac: okay. thanks for considering this
[18:25] <bac> sinzui: if approved the PQM landing deadline will be tomorrow at 0700UTC.  will that be a problem?
[18:25] <sinzui> no.
[18:26] <bac> sinzui: francis and i will talk about it but my gut feeling is it will not meet the criteria to be included.
[18:26] <sinzui> A successful UDS does not meet criteria
[18:27] <beuno> *tension*
[18:27] <bac> we've had many successful UDS meetings without this patch
[18:28] <sinzui> The number or remote users seems to be increasing,
[18:28] <bac> sinzui: i'm going to present it.  i'm just saying based on the feedback and comments i got from kiko and flacoste for the review of the release i don't think it meets the criteria.
[18:30] <bac> sinzui: in prepartion will you create a MP for it?
[18:31] <bac> ah, i see it
[18:31] <sinzui> bac: it has onc
[18:54] <flacoste> bac: i agree, i don't see a reason for including this in this release
[20:29] <rockstar> Has anyone else been having problems getting their dev server running today?  Mine seems to start up, but when I look up launchpad.dev, apache tells me the server isn't running.
[20:29] <Fly-Man-> rockstar: you installed it with the rocketfuel-setup ?
[20:30] <rockstar> Fly-Man-, no.  This configuration worked yesterday.
[20:39] <rockstar> salgado, ping
[20:40] <salgado> hi rockstar
[20:40] <rockstar> salgado, I wonder if you might help me debug why apache doesn't think my dev server is running.
[20:41] <salgado> rockstar, sure, I can try
[20:42] <rockstar> salgado, these lines are in my /var/log/apache2/error.log : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/277354/
[20:42] <rockstar> But make run reports that DebugLayerHTTP is started and running on that port.
[20:43] <salgado> rockstar, what do you see on http://127.0.0.88:8085/ ?
[20:44] <rockstar> salgado, it just spins, never completes.
[20:44] <salgado> rockstar, can you try stopping apache and reloading that?
[20:45] <rockstar> salgado, ah, it looks like launchpad.dev:8085 doesn't work, but specifying IP does.
[20:46] <rockstar> salgado, I get an oops page, and lots of this in the logs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/277357/
[20:46] <salgado> rockstar, a real OOPS or just a not-found?
[20:47] <rockstar> salgado, ah, yeah, it's a 404
[20:48] <salgado> rockstar, so, I guess it's fair to assume the webapp is running fine, so that we can start poking at apache?
[20:49] <rockstar> salgado, sure.
[20:49] <rockstar> I restarted the app, everything looks fine.
[20:49] <salgado> rockstar, you're not on karmic, right?
[20:49] <rockstar> salgado, yes, I am on Karmic.
[20:50]  * salgado goes look for recent apache uploads to karmic
[20:51] <rockstar> salgado, ah, and I just did an upgrade so I could get bzr 2.0...  that could be it.
[20:51] <salgado> rockstar, I guess restarting apache doesn't make things any better?
[20:52] <rockstar> salgado, nope.  No errors or anything, it just doesn't want to proxy.
[20:56] <rockstar> salgado, got it.  Something was screwed up with my hosts file...  I haven't touched that since I first set it up.
[20:56] <salgado> wow, that's weird
[20:57] <rockstar> I guess something in the recent upgrade got more finicky with my /etc/hosts.
[20:58] <Fly-Man-> rockstar: You're running it locally ?
[20:58] <Fly-Man-> or on a external machine
[20:58] <Fly-Man-> the web browser
[20:58] <rockstar> Fly-Man-, this is my local dev instance.
[20:59] <Fly-Man-> rockstar: You have seen the explanation to get it to external ?
[21:24] <mwhudson> good morning
[21:24] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: your changes for bug 434761 are missing one of the portlets shown in the mockup attached to the bug. I assume this was intentional, but I wanted to make sure.
[21:24] <mup> Bug #434761: Make the home page pretty <story-ui-3> <Launchpad Registry:Fix Released by barry> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/434761>
[21:27] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: which one?
[21:34] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: the portlet in the top left corner of the mockup which lists the various sections of Launchpad and probably links to different pages in the tour or guide.
[21:35] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: that only displays for anonymous users
[21:35] <mwhudson> gmb: did you get ec2 demo working in the end?
[21:35] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: ok, I'll mark off the item in the test plan.
[21:36] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: can you also look at this question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/80578
[21:36] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: thanks
[21:36]  * barry looks
[21:38] <jml> hey guys
[21:38] <jml> guess what
[21:38] <jml> I just did this:
[21:38] <jml> ../auto-land/utilities/ec2 land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/code-to-branches/+merge/12288 --force
[21:39] <jml> and the script just did this:
[21:39] <jml> Merge proposal is not approved, landing anyway.
[21:39] <jml> ['../auto-land/utilities/ec2', 'test', '--headless', u'--email=jml@mumak.net', '-b', u'launchpad=db-devel', '-s', u"[release-critical=bac][r=michael.nelson][ui=beuno][bug=373341] Change 'Code' tab to 'Branches'.", 'bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/code-to-branches']
[21:39] <jml> (except for real, rather than just printing out a command list)
[21:40] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: question answered
[21:40] <jml> how cool is that!
[21:41] <barry> jml: that's pretty cool that you can land proposals that haven't been approved! <wink>
[21:41]  * Fly-Man- frowns
[21:41] <jml> barry, look at the proposal :)
[21:41] <Fly-Man-> could not change directory to "/root/launchpad/lp-branches/devel"
[21:42]  * Fly-Man- looks at installation
[21:42] <Fly-Man-> Something doesn't look good there
[21:42] <jml> barry, the status wasn't set to "approved", but all the votes are approvals.
[21:42] <barry> jml: when are we getting auto status changes? <wink> (guess i should bug thumper about that)
[21:43] <barry> jml: but yeah, cool!
[21:43] <gmb> mwhudson: I did it manually :).
[21:43] <gmb> jml: Sweet.
[21:43] <mwhudson> gmb: cool
[21:43] <maxb> "Uses Launchpad for Answers and Branches" hrm
[21:43] <mwhudson> gmb: sorry about breaking it
[21:44]  * maxb is unconvinced about this whole Code -> Branches thing
[21:44] <gmb> mwhudson: That's okay, it gave me something to think about :)
[21:46]  * jml -> dinner
[21:49] <rockstar> maxb, me too.
[21:49] <barry> me three
[21:50] <rockstar> However, thumper had a point when we were talking about the link to code browse.  Sometimes the branch isn't code, it's documentation, or a paper, or images, or anything number of things.
[21:51] <rockstar> Instead of Branches, let's just say Stuff.
[21:51] <rockstar> "Uses Launchpad for Answers and Stuff"
[21:51] <maxb> heh
[21:51] <maxb> I guess "Uses Launchpad for Answers and Version Control" is a bit excessive and jargon-ish
[21:52] <maxb> I worry, however, about users asking "So where is the trunk?"
[21:52] <rockstar> s/Version Control/Bazaar/
[21:52] <rockstar> maxb, that's what the development focus is for.
[21:53] <rockstar> maxb, although I've often thought we need to have a better way of illustrating that.
[21:53] <maxb> To people not indoctrinated into bzr terminology, branches == secondary
[21:53] <rockstar> maxb, right.
[21:54] <mwhudson> elastifox is being useless for me recently
[21:54] <rockstar> mwhudson, yes, me as well.
[21:54] <mwhudson> i don't think it can cope with the number amis that are currently out there at all well
[21:54] <mwhudson> oh, and the launch dialog is taller than my screen :)
[22:04] <thumper> hi hi
[22:04]  * thumper goes to look at email
[22:09] <Fly-Man-> What was the command to stop the mailserver to keep sending emails to xmlrpc-private again ?
[22:10] <thumper> flacoste: I'm not sure the db permission for this has been updated: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/permission-fail/+merge/12329
[22:10] <thumper> flacoste: although I can understand your reasoning
[22:10] <thumper> flacoste: so we should just get the permission updated
[22:10] <flacoste> thumper: yes, please!
[22:10] <flacoste> no DB patches in the roll-out please!
[22:11] <thumper> flacoste: I wasn't aware that the security.cfg was considered a db patch
[22:11] <thumper> flacoste: we certainly allow it onto devel
[22:11] <flacoste> well, we do, but it has no effects
[22:11] <flacoste> because we don't run the security.py script on udpate
[22:11] <flacoste> so we could land it, but it wouldn't have any effect, so we better not land it :-)
[22:12] <bac> mwhudson, thumper: you saw the email about the re-roll?
[22:13] <thumper> bac: not yet
[22:13] <thumper> bac: have now :)
[22:14] <bac> thumper: so you've got 10 hours...
[22:14] <bac> go!
[22:15] <mwhudson> bac: yes
[22:15] <mwhudson> bac: my r-c branch is in ec2
[22:15] <bac> mwhudson: great.
[22:16] <bac> mwhudson: would you and thumper update CurrentRolloutBlockers when your branches land.  there's a new section at the bottom
[22:16] <mwhudson> bac: ok
[22:16] <bac> thx
[22:17] <Fly-Man-> kfogel: *ping*
[22:24] <Fly-Man-> wth was that process that stopped the calling of the xmlrpc-private
[22:25] <Fly-Man-> Ahh, thank you
[22:25] <Fly-Man-> killall mailmanctl
[22:28] <Fly-Man-> barry: *ping*
[22:28] <Fly-Man-> flacoste: *ping*
[22:28] <flacoste> hi Fly-Man-
[22:29] <Fly-Man-> Both, I edited the https://dev.launchpad.net/Running
[22:29] <Fly-Man-> to include the Advanced running page that kfogel made
[22:29] <Fly-Man-> that has the advanced things to get the Launchpad running locally in development mode
[22:29] <flacoste> thanks!
[22:29] <Fly-Man-> and how to get branches to auto approve and imported
[22:31] <barry> Fly-Man-: hi
[22:32] <Fly-Man-> barry: See comment on the Running page
[22:32] <Fly-Man-> I added the kfogel page that has more explaining on advanced use of the Launchpad locally
[22:33] <barry> Fly-Man-: probably a better way is:
[22:33] <barry> lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> barry: I didn't write that page ;)
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> kfogel did :p
[22:34] <barry> Fly-Man-: :) i'll update it
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> But it does the same ;)
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> It stops the spam on my console ;)
[22:34] <barry> yeah, but maybe not so cleanly if you actually wanted to run mailman at some point ;)
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> Haha
[22:34] <Fly-Man-> true
[22:37] <barry> updated
[22:38] <barry> bac: CRB updated
[22:38] <bac> thanks
[22:39] <rockstar> bac, is PQM going to open tomorrow, barring any acts of God tonight?
[22:51] <mwhudson> hate week 4
[22:57] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: are you familiar with the "Add Architecture" link on the distroseries +index page?
[22:58] <rockstar> mwhudson, is there a way for me to fire off an ec2 instance to run all the Javascript tests only?  Like, a windmill specific image or something?
[22:59] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: no ;)
[22:59] <thumper> email done
[22:59] <rockstar> thumper, okay, you wanna chat?
[22:59] <mwhudson> rockstar: no, i don't think so
[22:59] <mwhudson> rockstar: file a bug?
[22:59]  * rockstar makes a sad face
[22:59] <rockstar> mwhudson, launchpad-foundations?
[22:59] <mwhudson> rockstar: yeah, tag it build-infrastructure
[23:00] <rockstar> mwhudson, ack
[23:00] <EdwinGrubbs> flacoste: ping
[23:00] <mwhudson> rockstar: i can make an image for you i guess, it'll take an hour or so
[23:00] <flacoste> hi EdwinGrubbs
[23:00] <thumper> rockstar: just chasing an oops
[23:00] <thumper> rockstar: yes, shortly
[23:00] <rockstar> mwhudson, I wouldn't sweat it right now.  I just thought it'd be nice to not have to fight with Karmic to get windmill running correctly.
[23:00] <EdwinGrubbs> flacoste: Are you familiar with the "Add architecture" link on the distroseries +index page?
[23:00] <mwhudson> rockstar: the only difference from the standard image is installing a bunch of extra software right?  xfvb and firefox?
[23:00] <mwhudson> rockstar: yeah, it's a good idea :)
[23:01] <rockstar> mwhudson, you would know the differences better than I.
[23:03] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: not really
[23:03] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: that's a soyuz thing i think
[23:03] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: what's your question
[23:04] <EdwinGrubbs> flacoste: The "Add architecture" link is only displayed if the distroseries already has other architectures listed. This seems wrong, but it doesn't look like new behavior, so I don't know if ubuntu distroseries are created somehow differently.
[23:06] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: well, they have an initial set
[23:06] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: and that actually might be a proxy to not display this link on distro that don't use Soyuz
[23:07] <flacoste> i think distro only have arch if they are Soyuz-enabled
[23:07] <flacoste> but this seems to be an obfuscation and the check should be made clearer
[23:08] <al-maisan_> EdwinGrubbs: I believe the creation of a distro series is somewhat of a manual process; once the series was created all the packages from the previous/stable series need to be cloned/copied for example..
[23:09] <al-maisan_> i.e. this is *not* a web UI work-flow :)
[23:11] <EdwinGrubbs> al-maisan_: If I create a new distroseries by hand with the "Add series" link, such as https://staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/foo then it doesn't show the "Add architecture" link. Are you saying that this won't affect real ubuntu developers, since they are doing it differently?
[23:16] <al-maisan_> EdwinGrubbs: I guess that's right.
[23:18] <rockstar> thumper, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/426141
[23:18] <mup> Bug #426141: "Link to a bug report" is temperamental <post-3-ui-cleanup> <ui> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/426141>
[23:34] <sidnei> gary_poster: ping?