[00:02] mrevell, ping? [00:02] hi beuno [00:02] blog posts seem to be coming up, but some can't be accessed, although they are linked? [00:02] wow, I didn't *really* expect you to be around :) [00:04] beuno: Hi man. No, I didn't expect to be around :) The posts are there but they're not due to be published until 3.0 is released. I don't wanna publish a 3.0 announcement before the 3.0 release :) It just sucks that edge links to broken blog posts. Hopefully next cycle we'll have a real live blog feed there instead. [00:04] mrevell, but this has already been published: http://blog.launchpad.net/releases/launchpad-3-0-is-here-new-ui-and-more [00:05] but the links to teh interviews haven't [00:06] beuno: Then that's me getting confused by which timezone the blog server is running on :) Being as we're supposed to be released shortly I'll bring forward the interview publication. Thanks for pointing that out. [00:06] mrevell, thank you [00:06] and [00:06] go to bed :) [00:06] I'm in an Ubuntu board meeting [00:06] that's my excuse [00:07] beuno: heh :) You don't even have a different timezone to excuse you :) [00:08] mrevell: Typo in the first post. [00:08] s/weere/were/ [00:09] wgrant: thanks, fixed [00:10] I'm going to lie down for a while, night all [00:10] Night mrevell. === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta [00:27] So that's what the Technical Architect does. What does the Project Strategist do? [00:28] you tell us:P [00:28] what does jml do ? === jamalta is now known as jamalta-afk [00:35] thumper, do you happen to be packing, or is that what tomorrow is for? [00:46] The front page now tells me that Ubuntu is related to MySQL. [00:46] rockstar: I pack on the day normally [00:47] thumper, well, what I was exploring is whether or not you'll be around tomorrow or if you're leaving tomorrow. [00:47] rockstar: I leave in 2 days time [00:48] thumper, okay, so we can chat tomorrow. [00:48] rockstar: yes we can [00:48] rockstar: how's your voice? [00:48] rockstar: have you tried lp.net since it came back up? [00:48] is it back? [00:48] sort of [00:48] bac, just looking now. [00:48] rockstar: disable redirection and see if you get styling [00:49] I don't have tabs on the home page. [00:49] i am not [00:49] gah [00:49] yeah, no tabs. works on edge [00:49] bac, it doesn't work on edge for me. [00:49] Oh, well, now I do. [00:49] rockstar: did you do a force reload/whatever [00:49] I used to hate those tabs [00:49] the coloured numbers have gone :( [00:50] edge looks good [00:50] Woah, got a strange CSS breakage on bugs.launchpad.net. The watermark content was stacked vertically. [00:51] Hm. Reproducable. [00:51] Yeah, seems that production isn't doing CSS at all. [00:52] same here [00:52] Argh, bugtask index regression for bugs with lots of tasks. [01:03] spm, there's nothing else in there aside from my mail headers [01:03] i can forward them [01:03] poolie: please [01:04] as an rt, or just to you, or in a bug? [01:05] spm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/276652/ [01:05] paste is fine. :-) [01:06] From the live frontpage: "# [01:06] # Launchpad now open source! – 21 Jul 2009 [01:06] Translate a phrase once, have it show up in all your releases. [01:06] " [01:08] heh [01:08] blog integration fail :-/ [01:08] http://failblog.org/2008/07/22/translation-fail/ [01:09] Also: [01:09] > If you're ready, you can: Read the user guide [01:09] classic [01:09] ooh, am i ready for that? [01:09] i don't know... [01:11] * thumper -> lunch [01:11] The layout of the featured project section is a bit misleading if the day's project is a project group. [01:18] mm, and they have watery descriptions [01:18] or the netrek one does [01:18] MySQL's was much much worse. [01:18] But that was only up for an hour. === Chex changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: This is Launchpad Development Channel | Week 4 of 3.0 | PQM is closed - Release manager is bac - contact for release-critical | https://dev.launchpad.net/CurrentRolloutBlockers | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Get the code: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting | On-call review in #launchpad-reviews | Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for pastes | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [01:37] The first blog post link is still broken. [01:37] Though the article is available. === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta [01:58] * mwhudson lunches [03:39] spm, i got another bounce from forster 8m ago [03:39] poolie: yeah, still working on it [03:48] mwhudson: any reason why we don't allow git imports over https? [03:48] thumper: i didn't know git worked over https [03:48] thumper: it's probably just a matter of relaxing the Field? [03:49] * thumper nods [03:52] mwhudson: do you have the bzr-git plugin locally? [03:52] thumper: sometimes [03:53] doesn't seem like i do right now [03:53] hmm, ok [03:56] poolie: fyi. should all be good now. [04:18] How does the freeze go after release? Does everything remain frozen until after the reroll? [04:24] OOPS-1363EC162 [04:25] I cannot file an Ubuntu bug on edge, although it works on production. [04:25] Aha. [04:25] I think I know why. [04:26] Nrrrrg @ last-minute changes with incomplete tests. [04:26] Is that OOPS complaining that a DistributionSourcePackage has no bug_supervisor? [04:28] wgrant: I'll look for you [04:28] wgrant: although may need to wait a few minutes as oopses are synced every 10 minutes [04:30] Odd that it doesn't affect production, though. Does the production config not have malone.ubuntu_disable_filebug enabled? [04:40] thumper: it looks like the merges sent in email when new mps are created include conflict markers? [04:40] nm, mwh confirmed it's by design [04:41] wgrant: ForbiddenAttribute: ('bug_supervisor', ) [04:42] wgrant: so yes, you're basically right [04:43] mwhudson: Great. [04:43] Thanks. [06:01] thumper: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/puller-proxy-argh/+merge/12327 ? [06:02] * thumper looks [06:02] mwhudson: what about hosted branches? [06:03] thumper: we access them over a fancy local transport basically [06:03] but needs proxy or doesn't care? [06:03] isn't involved [06:03] so doesn't care [06:03] ok [06:04] * thumper waits for the diff [06:04] mwhudson: I think I have a test to confirm recording the failure [06:04] but making schema right now [06:09] mwhudson: done [06:09] mwhudson: I asked for bac to rc it [06:12] I'm wondering how often the mail processor runs though [06:13] hmm, [06:13] it failed for some reason [06:13] :( [06:13] * thumper looks for the oops [06:13] fuck!!!" [06:13] FFS [06:13] * thumper shakes his fists [06:14] * thumper wants to curl up into a ball [06:16] thumper: ? [06:20] mwhudson: when I tried to request bac using email https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1363CEMAIL1 [06:20] * thumper is making another branch [06:21] mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/job-fail/+merge/12328 [06:21] thumper: aaaaaaa [06:21] thumper: also, "huh" ? [06:22] mwhudson: when I request another reviewer, we send them email [06:22] mwhudson: which includes the diff [06:22] it would be rare to have missing permissions for the launchpad user [06:22] dbuser [06:22] thumper: yeah [06:22] mwhudson: the process mail script tried to send the mail [06:22] thumper: oh! [06:22] yeah [06:22] la-di-da [06:27] wgrant: btw my ami-from-scratch branch should now let you make an image based on an arbitrary one and run the tests [06:27] wgrant: for example ec2 test -m based-on: [06:28] mwhudson: Very nice. [06:28] mwhudson: Although I certainly see why they need pre-population. [06:28] (i haven't tried a non-hardy base yet, but i don't know of a reason why it might not work) [06:28] The checkout of RF is sloooow. [06:28] mwhudson: The sources.list entries are hardcoded, for one thing. [06:28] wgrant: not any more :) [06:28] mwhudson: Ah, handy. [06:29] mwhudson: Apart from that it works OK. [06:29] wgrant: cool [06:29] The only other change I made that wasn't a workaround for a Karmic bug was adding '-o Apt::Install-Recommends=no' to the apt-get arguments to avoid downloading so much crap. [06:30] ah ok [06:32] that's probably a good idea [06:32] wgrant: could you do that with /etc/apt/preferences or some similar file too? [06:32] mwhudson: You could. [06:32] And I do normally. [06:33] I forget the incantation. [06:33] * wgrant hunts. [06:34] APT::Install-Recommends "false"; [06:34] In a file somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d [06:43] mwhudson: I have a test for the permission failure too [06:43] thumper: cool [06:45] thumper: i reviewed your first branch [06:46] mwhudson: ta [06:46] test just pushed up [06:46] the diff should update shortly \o/ [06:46] I confirmed it failed with the same error first [06:46] and then it passed after I made schema [06:50] mwhudson: and on that note, I'm EODing [06:50] I'll check later [06:50] mwhudson: thanks for the reviews [06:50] thumper: ok [07:16] * mwhudson eods [07:31] Morning all. [07:36] hey noodles775 [07:40] morning noodles775 [07:41] hi guys :) [07:48] mwhudson: that eod thing.... didn't your folks tell you that telling lies is naughty? ;-) [07:48] spm: emma's away at the moment so i don't get told off for coming back to the computer in the evening :) [07:48] haha [08:25] so, what's up in #launchpad-dev? [08:25] stuf [08:25] f [08:25] f [08:27] jml: i greet you as you greeted me this morning! [08:28] mwhudson, with something to review? :) [08:28] jml: yes [08:28] mwhudson, wonderful. [08:39] Thanks BjornT for updating the windmill infrastructure! (I'm just catching up on email). Being able to use the factory will be *very* helpful for soyuz windmill tests! [08:39] heh... gone. [08:42] Thanks BjornT for updating the windmill infrastructure! (I'm just catching up on email). Being able to use the factory will be *very* helpful for soyuz windmill tests! === jtv1 is now known as jtv [08:43] noodles775: np. it was actually quite fun :) [08:45] ouch [08:46] I just read the current rocketfuel-setup... [08:46] its quite the little dpkg replacement not [08:46] s/not/now/ [08:46] Why? [08:47] installing files into your system wide path [08:47] [I'm not mentioning the appalling amount of system that make install does] [08:48] So it does. [08:48] install has always scared me a bit. [08:48] I don't normally expect a make target to eat my Apache. [08:48] indeed [08:51] apache :( [08:51] i have this cunning plan to take it away and use a twisted web server instead of apache [08:53] allenap: fancy a call in a bit? [08:54] mwhudson: Yeah, sure. 5 minutes okay? [08:55] allenap: a bit more than that would be better, actually [08:55] allenap: 35 mins? [08:55] mwhudson: Yeah, that works too. 0830 UTC then. [08:55] cool [08:58] mwhudson, you mean a tornado server, right :P [08:58] jml: oh yes, rigth [09:01] mwhudson, was my unannounced diff > 800 lines? [09:03] jml: i think it's 850 [09:03] jml: if you don't have time to review it, no worries [09:03] jml: it's not going to land until monday or so anyway, after all [09:11] Morning [09:19] I love the 3.0 UI, but it's making me realize how much more awesome Launchpad could be. [09:20] There must be a better place for the registration slot. [09:20] It currently sits a few pixels below the level of the tabs, which doesn't make sense and looks beyond strange. [09:23] jml: well a path between here and there is your job :) [09:24] mwhudson, yes :) [09:24] mwhudson, I was just looking at your merge proposal and realized that it fixed a bug that wgrant filed... way too many clicks for me to tell Launchpad at that [09:24] s/at/about/ [09:25] Which bug did I file? [09:25] public ec2 image one [09:25] no! [09:25] no? [09:25] "rocketfuel-setup is broken" [09:25] oh right [09:25] Ah. Excellent. [09:26] but I had to open the branch page, then open a bugs page, search for the bug to find the ID and then copy paste it into the branch page and then close both tabs and return to the MP [09:26] The MP page normally shows the bugs for me. [09:27] But I didn't see an email about that branch being linked. [09:27] So mwhudson didn't tell bzr. [09:27] So LP could not have known. [09:27] wgrant, why can't I link a bug from the MP page? [09:27] wgrant, why does the bug/branch link form not let me search for bugs? [09:27] that's what I mean. [09:27] Oh, right, I misread that you couldn't see from the MP page that it fixed the bug. [09:27] Sorry. [09:29] jml: So, what does the Project Strategist do? [09:30] wgrant: "other duties as directed" ;-) [09:31] wgrant, run around like a headless chook making macabrely distorted clucking noises [09:31] jml: Ah, excellent. that is what the project has been missing all these years. [09:32] mwhudson: Ready when you are, but I'm in no rush. [09:36] wgrant, more seriously, define our overall strategy, get people excited about it, define features, listen to stakeholders, review db patches. [09:36] allenap: now works for me [09:37] jml: Aha. === henninge_ is now known as henninge [09:38] I've been wondering for a while whether LP branches are redistributable. Don't they contain a whole lot of proprietary, undistributable code without a license that we're not even meant to have? [09:39] wgrant, answering such questions is not the responsibility of the Product Strategist. [09:39] * jml reviews patches [09:46] allenap: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/422385 [09:46] Bug #422385: Graph of test run times

[09:49] sinzui: Hi! [09:49] hi henninge [09:50] sinzui: I just reported bug 435712 and bug 435743 [09:50] Bug #435712: Move registration and status informartion from heading slot to main and registering slot. [09:50] Bug #435743: Bread crumb missing for a single question [09:50] hmm [09:50] sinzui: is that planned to be fixed already or shall I prepare a branch? [09:51] I wonder if that relates to the FAQ bug I reported two weeks ago [09:51] sinzui: well, that title is borked, too. [09:52] henninge: rockstar is handling Answers. If you see an opportunity to fix it please do [09:52] Launchpad itself FAQ #44: "Is it possible to link a project to packages in a PPA?" [09:52] sinzui: OK, just wanted to avoid doubled work. [09:52] henninge: I report that there are no titles on faqs [09:52] sinzui: there is now but it's too verbose. [09:53] sinzui: I'll just update the bug description [09:55] wgrant: yo [09:56] henninge: They FAQ title issue may be harder. I talked to rockstar about this and we discovered that FAQ does not have a view, the ZCML is generating a view for the template and IFAQ. If making a view with a page_title is hard, consider it out of scope. [09:56] bigjools: Hi. You want my priorities? [09:56] wgrant: how did you guess [09:56] sinzui: OK, I just updated the bug for now. [09:57] bigjools: Less than 30 seconds before you called I decided I should start collating them. [09:57] bac: do I submit 3.0 UI fixes to db-devel to be included in the 2nd roll-out? [09:57] wgrant: the deadline expired already! But since you're so great I will make an exception. [09:58] bigjools: I'm not sure I can give any valid data. That's why I've not responded. [09:58] wgrant: I would like your priorities for Registry, If you can find time to think about it, I would appreciate it. [09:59] bigjools: The only real wish I had was from an archive admin, and that is to make the queue page suck less. [09:59] I cannot give any more on behalf of MOTU. [10:00] wgrant: yeah, that page is major suck. Any insights into how to make it better are gratefully received [10:00] bigjools: Well, there are a couple of people doing archive admin without shell access now, so it might be possible to get input. [10:00] wgrant: understanding the MOTU workflow would be a good start === henninge is now known as henninge-brb [10:01] sinzui: Why does MOTU have input for Registry? [10:03] wgrant: Because Registry owns distro, distroseries, distrosourcepackages, sourcepackages. [10:04] wgrant: maybe I do not need your help with these, but I think you may have insights into how we can improve the workflow for linking packages to upstream, and ensuring the information and actions use need on those pages are present. [10:05] sinzui: Ah, I completely forgot that somebody owned packagings. They haven't been touched in years. [10:05] Anyway, fooding. === henninge-brb is now known as henninge [10:56] Morning, all. [10:56] hiya deryck [10:58] deryck: Morning. Sorry for not getting priorities to you on time, but I do now have one. [10:58] Version tracking. [10:59] wgrant, hi. no worries. can you explain a bit what you mean? [11:01] deryck: At the moment there's no way to tell in which version of a package or project a bug is present. [11:01] deryck: This really sucks. [11:01] wgrant: regarding the queue... although we didn't get to do it as part of 3-0, we started documenting a lot of the use-cases etc. at https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzDistroSeriesQueueImprovementsSpec (and the page linked from it). [11:01] The Debian BTS allows people to track in which version a bug is present, and in which it was fixed. It sucks less. === danilos-afk is now known as danilos [11:02] wgrant, ok, gotcha [11:04] deryck, good morning. [11:04] deryck, I feel I should draw your attention to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/435651 [11:04] Bug #435651: Unable to edit bugs [11:04] noodles775: I think I've seen that before. [11:05] jml: ScottK was.... displeased, to say the least, about that. [11:05] jml, yes, that's a dupe of another bug. it's a high priority, in the really really high sense of the word high. :) [11:05] jml, that is coming up a lot. [11:06] deryck, ok, that's good news :) [11:06] wgrant: yep - I got you to contribute to it back then - I just meant that it'd be good to continue documenting there (if people have ideas/issues) so we can address needs properly this time (I think there's been a few attempts). [11:06] wgrant, I'd be very upset if it affected me. [11:06] jml, I had wanted to fix it this week, but just not enough hours in the day. [11:07] deryck, understood. it's been an unusually busy week, to say the least. [11:08] indeed [11:09] actually, just thinking about this whole mess makes me want to purchase a muffin. [11:09] I think I'll do that. [11:19] deryck: if its high priority, can I humbly suggest it's metadata be updated accordingly? [11:20] * lifeless finds the new location to look for dups [11:20] is there a bug that 'is a dup is not part of the main /data/ area for bugs ? [11:21] lifeless, no. It's a global action, so it went into the global actions menu [11:21] It's not global. [11:21] beuno: *setting* it is global. READING it is now. [11:21] It's no more global than the status. [11:21] s/now/not/ [11:22] ah [11:22] yes [11:22] so, deryck inherited a branch from me that fixes that [11:22] removes the bugtask table for dupes, with a big ass message telling you it's a dupe of X [11:22] with a link [11:22] as in "nothing to see here, move along" [11:22] nice [11:23] though perhaps having the table greyed out or something would be useful for folk trying to decide if the bug realyl isa dup [11:23] do yuo think the table gives you information about the bug? [11:23] rather than the description and comments? [11:24] beuno, if it affects more than one project, it gives you info [11:24] a little bit, yes [11:24] beuno, yes, a little. [11:25] that needs some thought then [11:25] beuno, this is a tangent, but... [11:25] beuno, what if we made /bugs/NNNN be the canonical_url of a bug [11:25] beuno: /data/ gives me data. [11:26] beuno: how much from that particular atom? I don't know; but I know its easier to ignore something greyed out than write an API call to read it when its hidden. [11:27] jml, I'm all for that [11:28] beuno, what would the page look like for bugs with multiple tasks? [11:28] (bearing in mind that dupe bugs won't show the task table) [11:28] jml, when there's a contextless URL? [11:29] beuno, yeah. [11:29] yeah, it gets interesting [11:29] no logo, no links to other bugs... [11:30] (when you have multiple bugtasks) [11:30] we spent a lot of time talking about it in the BA bugs UI sprint [11:30] there are probably mockups of it... [11:30] let me find it... [11:30] (the quick answer is: other parts of Launchpad need changing) [11:32] lifeless, sorry was on call. it's ok now? This was just confusion over where dupe info is displayed? [11:32] ok, no mockups [11:38] where are the docs describing the rules for commit messages on Launchpad? [11:41] deryck: yah, you said 'bug X is high and I mean really high', but it claimed to be unconfirmed, new. [11:41] deryck: then I saw that it was a dup. [11:42] lifeless, gotcha. [13:11] \o/ just got a team joining mail that referenced launchpad.dev [13:13] lifeless: a bit like bug 357336? [13:13] Bug #357336: "You have been added to " mail contains invalid (API) link [13:14] noodles775: hi, I am going to fix one small UI bug in translations, and I wonder if you have a minute to discuss a proper fix for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/435346 (i.e. where should I include style="clear:both;" :) [13:14] Bug #435346: 3.0 interface overflows sidebars and causes horizontal scrolling if you manually change browser font sizes === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara [13:16] jtv: ping [13:16] james_w: sounds like it indeed [13:22] bug 435834 [13:22] Bug #435834: Translator comment needed for links

[13:22] bug 435843 [13:22] Bug #435843: team welcome mail references launchpad.dev [13:22] ^^^ [13:24] Huh. It's actually hardcoded in the email snippet. [13:33] wgrant: I assumed so when I saw it [13:33] wgrant: as I couldn't see API's generating that particular URL :P [13:35] danilos: sure... looking now. [13:40] noodles775: thanks [13:42] jml: ping [13:44] danilos: so adding clear:both to the #maincontent rule (style-3-0.css line 7) is probably a good place... [13:44] danilos: it fixes the issue for me in FF with mthaddon's setup. [13:44] danilos: can you test that in epiphany? [13:46] noodles775: sure [13:49] just out of curiosity, is there an admin panel type setup for launchpad? [14:01] mrevell, hi [14:02] hi jml, I pung you right? Now I need to remember why [14:02] you did. [14:51] james_w, gary told me you had a question about launchpadlib yesterday. do you still have the question? [14:51]