[02:07] <bodhi_zazen> I am trying to change the GMD theme on Ubuntu 9.10
[02:08] <bodhi_zazen> any suggestions ?
[02:08] <bodhi_zazen> I was hoping someone from the art team would know, gdmsetup allow one to set other options but not theme
[02:08] <bodhi_zazen> and editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf (and similar) does not seem to be working either :(
[02:10] <bodhi_zazen> Sorry to ask and run, I will check back later
[06:37] <kwwii> good morning
[08:03] <mac_v> kwwii: after you have packaged and pushed the new icon theme , could you mention the name :) , the Inherits need to be added for Humanity. Thanks
[08:12] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:57] <psyke83> morning
[08:59]  * darkmatter looks at clock. holy crap. I guess it it is
[08:59] <darkmatter> I therefore return the sentiment. morning.
[09:47] <thorwil> http://dudanogueira.com.br/2009/09/23/my-mother-on-ubuntu-artwork-karmic-release-shortlist/
[09:53] <darkmatter> kewl. more mothers need teh recognition
[10:00] <darkmatter> haiku is in alpha know. I can officially rofl myself to death now
[10:01] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - is the humanity icon theme canonical developed?
[10:02] <kwwii> in a call atm
[10:02] <kwwii> on
[10:03] <mrmcq2u_> cool
[10:09] <mac_v> mrmcq2u_: nope :)
[10:10] <mrmcq2u_> not even the notification icons
[10:10] <mrmcq2u_> well notification bar icons
[10:11] <mrmcq2u_> they look similar to the notification bubble icons from canonical
[10:12] <mrmcq2u_> netsplit
[10:12] <mrmcq2u_> the joys of irc
[10:12] <mrmcq2u_> :)
[10:16] <mac_v> mrmcq2u_: the notification are canonical icons
[10:16] <mrmcq2u_> notification bar
[10:17] <mrmcq2u_> not actual notifications
[10:17] <mrmcq2u_> ?
[10:17] <mac_v> huh? what is notification bar?
[10:17] <mrmcq2u_> the part of the panel with network manager, volume icons etc
[10:17] <mac_v> the the notification area ;)
[10:18] <mrmcq2u_> ah
[10:18] <mac_v> oh , nope they are not done by canonical ;p
[10:19] <darkmatter> they're a cheap mac-style wannabe in ubuntu colors by a third party with a mac-look obsession (and thus lacking in originality) ;)
[10:19]  * mac_v hurt ^
[10:21] <darkmatter> wooo! yet another victims spirit crushed! *dances a celebratory jig* xD
[10:21] <mac_v> darkmatter: lot of folks like them ;) also they were requested from the design team > Bug #391714
[10:21] <mrmcq2u_> darkmatter - apple were not the first to decide not to use colorful icons for system notifications... Most consumer devices take that route.. Its much less flashy on the eyes
[10:21] <kwwii> hi
[10:22] <mac_v> kwwii: heya , is the new canonical theme out?
[10:22] <psyke83> hey
[10:22]  * mrmcq2u_ cant stand people who refuse to take certain routes because they feel apple invented them
[10:23] <kwwii> mac_v: I am packaging it as we chat
[10:23] <darkmatter> mrmcq2u_: what makes you think I was referring to the saturation? I was refering to the styling. humanity is a fork of elementary. which is a mac-wannabe and tries to copy the mac style a little to much
[10:23] <mac_v> darkmatter: also , Humanity's icons are better than apple's  ;p
[10:23] <mrmcq2u_> humanity is nothing like mac icons
[10:23] <mrmcq2u_> :/
[10:23] <mrmcq2u_> neither is gnome colors which is also based from it
[10:24] <mac_v> darkmatter: you are right about elementary , several are mac inspired , but Humanity is different
[10:24] <mrmcq2u_> I prefer gnome colors but like certain aspects of humanity, like the notification area icons
[10:24] <mrmcq2u_> http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9599/screenshottq.png
[10:25] <mrmcq2u_> those icons dont shout apple to me
[10:25] <mrmcq2u_> though u can use docky as ammunition too :D :P
[10:26] <mrmcq2u_> so mac_v I noticed that the default was switched to humanity and then back to human a few hours later last night
[10:26] <darkmatter> mac_v: only real difference is the folders which are derived from breathes look, but in an elementary styling. most of the others are recolors (though there are a few other fresh icons). please note: I'm not shooting down the quality of the icons, but the lack of originality
[10:27] <mac_v> darkmatter: i have done icons for both breathe and Humanity ;p , breathe's folder is a new development
[10:28] <mac_v> it is supposed to be a mix of oxygen and human
[10:28] <darkmatter> I know. but humanities folder came after :P
[10:28] <mac_v> nope , before
[10:29]  * mrmcq2u_ ponders why instead of using the emblems on folders like music, documents, download etc custom folders are used instead?
[10:30] <mrmcq2u_> I think gnome-colors is more comprehensive
[10:30] <mrmcq2u_> and you have color options so that would leave canonicals options open in future releases
[10:32] <mrmcq2u_> there is already a gnome-colors human and chocolate color theme :D I guess I like it so much because I can easily differentiate between files like html, css, python, c etc
[10:32] <darkmatter> because custom folders give you control over the placement of identification elements. you don't get that privilege with emblems unfortunately. that much I can agree with in part. I still think we need sane people developing ui... but that's not going to happen anytime soon
[10:32] <mrmcq2u_> but now I am torn because I really like the notification area icons in humanity :D
[10:33] <mac_v> mrmcq2u_: you could use humanity's notification icons with a different theme
[10:34] <mrmcq2u_> lolz, me thinks nautilus needs to die some point soon.. create a touch friendly tagging based file browser
[10:34] <mrmcq2u_> with live previews of more than just video and photos
[10:35] <mrmcq2u_> mac_v I know I might do it for my own purposes or maybe recommend the maintainer to do it
[10:37]  * mrmcq2u_ was kinda bummed out when a guy created a new thumbnailer for nautilus which grabbed album art from metadata and used it as a thumbnail and the nautilus devs refused it on the basis that its too difficult to add album art to metadata on gnome currently
[10:38] <mrmcq2u_> So he created a patch for rhythmbox which added the album art to metadata and also grabbed the album art from metadata and it was refused on the basis that album art in metadata in the view of the maintainer was wrong
[10:38] <mrmcq2u_> :(
[10:39] <darkmatter> I've grown indifferent to linux DE's. they're lost causes. I stick with gnome solely because it's the most stable of the major players. if it wasn't for the fact that I'd lose functionality, I'd just switch to an oldschool wm and be done with it
[10:40]  * mrmcq2u_ also wants to shift away from keybaord and mouse, you dont realize how unnecessarily complex it is until you have to explain to your mother how to copy multiple files with the ctrl and left click method then watch how uncomfortable it is for them to use :(
[10:49] <darkmatter> I want to move away from applications and move to a 'services with gui's' approach * and by services I don't mean things like facebook). actual activities, not a button labeled activities that opens a list of non-activities. I want 'home' as an environmental concept, not a a directory in the system hierarchy. I want form and function merged in perfect unison.
[10:51] <kwwii> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/notify-osd/notify-osd-icons-ubuntu is where the notify-osd icons will be
[10:51] <darkmatter> I want conceptual simplicity and structural complexity. an environment that is humane and smarter by design instead of dumbed down. let add what we need, kill what we don't. reorganize the results into something that is useful and usable
[10:59] <mrmcq2u_> out of curiosity how do you feel about moblin's ui?
[11:00] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - I was talking about notification area icons
[11:00] <mrmcq2u_> humanity's look similar to the osd icons
[11:05] <mrmcq2u_> darkmatter - I like the moblin concept though there are things I would change for desktop use. As for file management I think some of the multitouch concepts look great for what your talking about.. Maybe mix it with gloobus to have interactive thumbnails/previews rather than switching between different apps for previewing things just because we can multitask doesnt mean we should for everything.
[11:07] <kwwii> erm, humanity has notification icons for notify-osd?
[11:08] <mrmcq2u_> I think that the moblin media players way of grouping music/photos and videos would translate well to a multitouch ui(drag multiple files together the way that feels right and when you take your finger off you get a popup asking you what you would like to tag the items with. Afterwards they would be in a sort of virtual folder of the same design as the groupings in moblins media player.
[11:08] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9599/screenshottq.png
[11:09] <mrmcq2u_> top right, icons fit with notify osd icons quite well and look quite nice :D
[11:09] <mrmcq2u_> almost like the lower res counterpart of notify osd icons
[11:10] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - any news on the gtk theme for the gdm?
[11:10] <kwwii> I am finishing that up today as well
[11:12] <mrmcq2u_> is today an art freeze?
[11:13] <mac_v> kwwii: so does Humanity have to add "notify-osd" as inherits or... will notify-osd fall back on its own?
[11:15] <kwwii> mac_v: we are sorting that as we speak
[11:15] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: yes
[11:15] <mac_v> ah , ok
[12:16] <psyke83> kwwii: hey. I just noticed that the gtkrc I sent you has a pinkish background, I didn't intend that. I changed it to #EFE5C9 and it fits with the selection colour better
[12:17] <psyke83> it was just an experiment anyway, to show that perhaps the grey background needs to blend some more into the dark brown
[12:17] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, I changed that :)
[12:17] <kwwii> no worries
[12:18] <kwwii> I played with making it a bit darker as well
[12:18] <mac_v> kwwii: why does human have /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/apps/ooo-calc2.svg  , was that "2" accidentaly naming , or ...?
[12:18] <mac_v> that icon is not present in hicolor
[12:19] <kwwii> mac_v: it is probably just a work in progress
[12:19] <kwwii> it won't be used named thusly
[12:19] <kwwii> let me check it out
[12:20] <mac_v> yea , thats what i thought , hehe a similar WIP i had placed in humanity caused the icon-cache problem yesterday ;p
[12:20] <kwwii> right, you can ignore that
[12:20] <mac_v> thanks
[12:56] <psyke83> kwwii: be sure to send me a screenshot of the dark version sometime, I'd like to see what you're up to ;)
[12:57] <psyke83> kwwii, I also meant to ask, are you interested in updating newhuman, maybe to fix it up a bit and try to make the widgets more distinct, or have you put that one on the backburner?
[12:57] <psyke83> sorry, I mean darkroom
[12:58] <kwwii> psyke83: for now, I have put that on the back burner as we are going to be working on new themes for the next release
[12:59] <kwwii> psyke83: the human theme updates are going in the distro as we speak
[12:59] <mac_v> psyke83: oh , kwwii is the author of darkroom..!
[12:59] <kwwii> time for lunch. bbl
[12:59] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, psyke83 and I made it
[12:59] <kwwii> psyke83 is a gtk theme master ;)
[13:00] <mac_v> :) , never knew it...
[13:00] <psyke83> we're also secret lovers... you learn something new everyday :P
[13:01] <mac_v> lol...
[13:02] <psyke83> kwwii: I realized that when we were talking about lucid the other day, you meant karmic+1 (I didn't know that the name lucid lynx was chosen till today). I thought you were referring to a new theme in progress
[13:21] <psyke83> kwwii: I just installed 0.33 of the theme, and I think that something is wrong
[13:22] <psyke83> the only change to the Human gtkrc is to change the selection colour, so the highlight bugs, etc, aren't fixed
[13:58] <kwwii> psyke83: hrm, that doesn't sound right, let me check
[14:02] <kwwii> psyke83: shite, I screwed up
[14:02] <kwwii> my fault
[14:07] <kwwii> psyke83: thanks for pointing that out, I copied the wrong things and didn't notice
[14:08] <kwwii> psyke83: did you install 33 or 32?
[14:08] <kwwii> I only have my package at 32, the fix will be 33
[14:32] <psyke83> kwwii: 33, built package from source on launchpad
[14:32] <psyke83> gotta sort something, bbl
[14:33] <kwwii> psyke83: I updated it a few minutes ago
[14:33] <kwwii> now it should be correct
[14:50] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners#thorwil%27s%20Slideshow
[14:50]  * thorwil coffee
[15:03] <zniavre> humanlogin metacity  looks almost as mine
[15:03] <mac_v> thorwil: how about a mix of B and E , i like how the numbers are inside the circle for E , but the E logo seems a bit dull :(
[15:05] <mac_v> and what is the slideshow for? , where will the numbers be displayed? nice concept BTW :)
[15:06] <mac_v> s/numbers/days remaining
[15:07] <psyke83> back
[15:21] <thorwil> mac_v: look at the animated option at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[15:22] <thorwil> mac_v: if A or B is the chosen, i might offer a variation of either with centered numbers
[15:22]  * thorwil -> cycling
[15:23] <kwwii> psyke83: the newest bzr should be correct now
[15:46] <psyke83> kwwii: yep, got it, looks fine - the same grey background is normal, right?
[15:47] <kwwii> psyke83: for beta freeze, yes
[15:47] <kwwii> since we are a team I have to clear everything with everyone
[15:47] <kwwii> :/
[15:47] <psyke83> haha
[15:47] <kwwii> and today we are *really* busy
[15:48] <psyke83> I'm just making sure, there were some tweaks to the widgets that weren't mentioned in my first mail to you, so I was hoping you took the gtkrc and just changed the @bg_color back
[15:48] <psyke83> it seems like you did it
[15:49] <psyke83> kwwii: I'll go ahead and send the screenshot and gtkrc with the brownish colour I originally meant to show you, just in case you want to take a look at it later. The one I sent was too pinky
[15:51] <kwwii> cool, thanks
[15:52] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, that is exactly what I did
[15:52] <kwwii> sorry, I am busy trying to edit all these damn extra wallpapers
[15:52] <kwwii> what a hassle
[15:56] <psyke83> haha :)
[15:56] <psyke83> I won't disturb you
[16:37] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[16:41] <mat_t> guys, does anyone here use mobile broadband on Ubuntu?
[16:41] <mat_t> If you do, could you please check what icon you get in the panel when connected
[16:45] <mat_t> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/435109
[16:46] <mat_t> Does anyone else get that problem?
[16:48] <SiDi> *yawn*
[16:51] <mac_v> mat_t: are you using Humanity or Human theme?
[16:52] <SiDi> yay mat_t is here
[16:52] <SiDi> hello there
[16:56] <kwwii> mat_t: yes, I fixed it upstream the other day
[16:56] <kwwii> so it should be fixed in network manager upstream
[16:57] <SiDi> What the hell is that ubuntu sida thing ?
[16:57] <mat_t> kwwii, ok, cool
[16:57] <kwwii> of course, if humanity has it's own icons for this it might replace the ones I made
[16:57] <mat_t> kwwii, I don't think this is fixable: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/423632
[16:58] <kwwii> mat_t: no, with the pic as-is it is not fixable
[16:59] <kwwii> the usplash was always such fun to make images for!
[16:59] <kwwii> we could just fall back to a solid color, or just black
[17:00] <mac_v> SiDi: yeah whats with the SiDa spam... lol i thought you might have something to do with it ;)
[17:00] <mat_t> kwwii: hmmm, actually
[17:00] <SiDi> mac_v: no, i dont :p
[17:00] <SiDi> sida means AIDS in french >_>
[17:00] <mac_v> lol
[17:00] <mat_t> kwwii: when I view the images in the browser they look fine
[17:00] <SiDi> and simple daughter is meaningless (not to mention i really dont see what that project tries to achieve)
[17:01] <mat_t> kwwii: I guess bratsche needs to have a look at it
[17:01] <kwwii> mat_t: right, you view them at at least 24bit
[17:02] <kwwii> at 16bit there is no way that a gradient like that is going to work without dithering the pic
[17:02] <kwwii> I'd like to understand the reasons people view this at 16bit
[17:03] <kwwii> the usplash is not displaying this bg is it?
[17:03] <mat_t> kwwii: no, I viewed them at 16bpp on my screen - they look fine in preview/browser
[17:04] <mat_t> kwwii: usplash is not using these images
[17:04] <mat_t> kwwii: usplash only  uses circle of friends on black
[17:04] <kwwii> mat_t: how did you view them at 16? I don't know of any way to switch that on or off
[17:04] <kwwii> mat_t: whew :)
[17:04] <mat_t> kwwii: display prefs
[17:05] <mat_t> on osx
[17:05] <kwwii> ahhh, but osx does nasty little (wonderful) tricks to make it look nicer
[17:06] <mat_t> kwwii: we have to do these tricks too, then :)
[17:06] <mat_t> kwwii: I can't change the image itself, I'd have to create separate versions with web dither ;)
[17:06] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, if we can...I doubt too many people understand that stuff these days
[17:06] <kwwii> mat_t: right
[17:07] <kwwii> which would make the file size much larger
[17:07] <mat_t> and Steve Langasek would have me murdered
[17:08] <kwwii> lol, exactly
[18:33] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - are you still putting the gdm gtk theme in your ppa?
[18:35] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: not today, I am trying to make beta freeze
[18:46] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - I like the shade of brown you guys chose for the human theme
[18:56] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[20:46] <zniavre> good evening
[20:46] <zniavre> how to "design" gdm please?
[20:46] <mrmcq2u_> is the new gdm even out yet?
[20:47] <mrmcq2u_> I think there will be good instructions once the new gdm theme is published
[20:48] <zniavre> i am with karmic and gdm seems to follow the new human gtkrc
[20:48] <zniavre> i ll wait so
[20:48] <zniavre> thank you
[21:00] <SiDi> lol, mrmcq2u_
[21:00] <SiDi> if its like indicator-applet we're gonna wait a long long time
[21:03] <zniavre> :o)
[21:17] <mrmcq2u_> kwwii - is human-theme .34 going to be in your ppa before the official repo?
[21:27] <mrmcq2u_> odd - it seems to be included, just not applying changes from the ubuntu-login folder within human-theme 0.34
[21:49]  * kwwii returns from band practice
[21:50] <kwwii> mrmcq2u_: it is included but it does not work unless you set the gconf defaults correctly
[21:50] <kwwii> currently there is no way to do that
[21:50] <kwwii> but you can edit the gconf defaults file 16 and 17 to set the gtk, metacity and bg
[21:52] <zniavre> file 16 and 17 ?
[22:12] <zniavre> i dont not hav this 17 file
[23:52] <kwwii> /user/share/gconf/defaults/16_ubuntu-artwork
[23:52] <kwwii> 17_*
[23:53] <kwwii> and then sudo update-gconf-defaults
[23:53] <kwwii> 17 is the path to the bg
[23:53] <kwwii> 16 is the gtk and metacity theme...set it to HumanLogin
[23:53] <kwwii> s/it/each
[23:54] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep