rockstarSo, my name's Paul Hummer, I work on the Launchpad Code team.00:00
rockstarI haven't been very good at keeping track of everything I've done with Ubuntu, but I've been doing better recently.00:01
rockstarMy wiki page is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulHummer00:01
pleia2rockstar: are you involved with the colorado loco team at all?00:01
pleia2sounds like your plan to work with local school districts would be a great project for the team00:02
rockstarWell, involved in that I'm on the mailing list.  I used to be around for the meetings in IRC, but the LoCo team hasn't been doing much recently.00:02
rockstarpleia2, yeah, there were a couple of people working with schools.  I just made some contacts last week at some bigger schools.00:02
pleia2I find that frequently a lot of teams just need an energetic member to get things going again :) think you'd be interested in suggesting this project to jumpstart things again over there?00:03
rockstarSure, although I'm also a bit farther away from most of the team geographically.  I've thought about starting another LoCo group up in Northern Colorado,00:03
pleia2well, loco teams are divided up by state, so I'd recommend another regional segment of the same team00:04
rockstarI went to school about 15 minutes east of where I currently live, in a rural area.  I'm pretty convinced that getting Free Software into U.S. schools will start with the ones with terrible funding/football teams.00:04
rockstarpleia2, yeah, it's just been something in the back of my mind.00:05
pleia2but cool :) I think you might find that one you get things rocking in northern CO southern might be shamed into following ;)00:05
rockstarYea, I've worked a lot with the local LUG here.  I even organized the last install fest.00:06
pleia2woohoo, lugs! :)00:06
rockstarMost the Ubuntu virgins that showed up there were older than 60.  It was crazy.00:06
nhasianwow 60 year old virgins?  that IS crazy00:07
greg-gI just wanted to make it known in the meeting log I am here and have been given the scrollback of rockstar's application in a PM.00:08
TechnovikingI have to step out (dead server at work) but +1 from me for rockstar, great work in LP and Edubuntu!00:08
pleia2well, I've grilled you plenty about the loco team, but your other work in the community speaks for itself, well done rockstar! +1 for membership from me :)00:08
nixternal+1 from me on rockstar00:08
greg-gI also give a +1 to rockstar00:08
boredandblogginganyone who works on LP is +1 from me00:08
greg-gthanks for your work, rockstar !00:09
nhasianrockstar, great job man congrats00:09
greg-gthats 5 +1s, welcome aboard!00:09
pleia2congrats rockstar, welcome :)00:09
nixternalcongrats and welcome rockstar00:10
rockstarThanks guys!00:10
pleia2lp has been read-only for the past hour, but I'll be adding everyone who was approved this evening to the members team as soon as I can00:11
pleia2thanks for coming everyone! congrats again to the new members :)00:11
* beuno waves and leaves for bed, hoping that he wakes up to a read-write launchpad00:11
nhasianbye everyone00:12
beunocongrats to all the new ubuntees00:12
greg-gthanks everyone00:12
* beuno winks at rockstar 00:12
greg-gcongrats to rockstar and the others who I missed, I'm sure you all deserved it! :)00:12
DKcrossi cant believe!00:12
* rockstar waves at beuno 00:12
bodhi_zazen'lo forumsmatthew =)00:59
bodhi_zazenTechnoviking: poke ;)01:01
bodhi_zazenanyone else here for the FC meeting ?01:01
forumsmatthewI don't see u-g, bapoumba, or kiwi online, but it's early. I just gave jdong a ping01:02
bodhi_zazenkk, I cleaned out the schedule earlier so it looks light :twisted:01:03
forumsmatthewThe first item is more of an FYI/announcement thing, so even if the others aren't here, I think we can put it on the record.01:04
forumsmatthewThe second is something we have discussed on the mailing list and can finalize, I think.01:05
forumsmatthewlet's give people a little more time, though01:05
DKcrossi have questions..:|01:06
DKcrosswell... now that I'm ubuntu member before the meet.. what is the next step?01:06
bodhi_zazenSec DKcross , we will give you a chance =)01:07
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bodhi_zazenLet's start then01:10
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bodhi_zazen[TOPIC] UA Team01:11
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bodhi_zazenThis is primarily an update, this has been discussed on the mailing list as well01:11
bodhi_zazenajmorris has been busy with school and did not officially "step down" as team lead, but has not been overly active either01:12
bodhi_zazenHellow and PT are willing to help, but PT seems busy, so that leaves Hellow for now01:12
bodhi_zazenHellow has been doing great01:12
bodhi_zazenComments , questions ?01:13
forumsmatthewI'm glad to see we have good people involved01:13
bodhi_zazenDKCross are you Lord Xeb ?01:13
forumsmatthewthanks to PT and Hello01:13
DKcrossbodhi_zazen,  what?01:13
bodhi_zazenNext topic ?01:13
bodhi_zazen[TOPIC] Lord Xeb01:14
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forumsmatthewOkay, since it seems Lord Xeb is not here...01:14
forumsmatthewwe have discussed this on the mailing list in depth01:14
forumsmatthewwe have no intention of allowing him to return01:14
forumsmatthewthe account is not going to be "unbanned"01:14
bodhi_zazen+1, that has been the general consensus01:15
forumsmatthewnow that we have this in the official record, we can probably move on, unless there is another comment specific to that issue01:15
bodhi_zazenAny further comments ?01:15
bodhi_zazenAny further questions01:15
forumsmatthewI have something short to add at the end of the meeting. It will be quick01:15
forumsmatthewlet's move on to see what DKcross wanted to say/ask01:16
bodhi_zazenDKcross: did you have a question ?01:16
DKcrossno, no man01:17
bodhi_zazenOK, forumsmatthew :01:17
bodhi_zazen[TOPIC]meetings, irc, and the FC01:17
MootBotNew Topic: meetings, irc, and the FC01:17
forumsmatthewalmost all of the FC members work jobs that do not permit access to IRC01:17
forumsmatthewwe have a lot of trouble finding times when all of us are both awake and at home01:17
forumsmatthewwe are talking and looking for other options for public, regular meetings01:18
bodhi_zazenThere was a general consensus to 22:00:00 UTC time01:18
forumsmatthewyeah, we're going to see how that works for a while01:18
bodhi_zazensince not many are here, mailing list ?01:18
forumsmatthewI have to leave work early to make that time01:18
forumsmatthewanyway, I just want it on the record...01:18
forumsmatthewthat we are aware this is a problem01:19
forumsmatthewand we are looking for a solution01:19
forumsmatthewthat's all I had to say on that01:19
bodhi_zazenIRC meeting are a commitment especially as we are not all in the same time zone01:19
forumsmatthewwe haven't yet found anything better, but it would be nice01:20
bodhi_zazenmailing list seems better, at least if an agenda item is discussed and people can express their votes on the issue if needed01:20
forumsmatthewthat works for just about everything and I like that most business has moved to the mailing list01:20
bodhi_zazenI am frequently on IRC and do not mind passing information IRC <-> mailing list01:20
forumsmatthewlet's see where things go next01:20
bodhi_zazenI think it is good to hold sessions where we can listen to the community, but IRC is not the only option, we can , well, forums =)01:21
bodhi_zazenAny other topics ?01:21
bodhi_zazenOtherwise it has been 20 minutes and I think we can end the meeting01:22
forumsmatthewbye, everyone!01:22
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dholbachmdeslaur, mterry, jpds, soren, nixternal: around?18:00
mterrydholbach, hihi18:00
mdeslaurdholbach: yes18:00
dholbachI talked to jpds a few minutes ago, so let's kick off the meeting :)18:00
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dholbachWe have an agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting18:00
dholbachFabrice notified us that he might not be able to make it, or later, so we'll do mdeslaur and mterry first18:01
dholbachif this doesn't work out for Fabrice, we can still have a chat with him tomorrow and try to organise an impromptu meeting18:01
dholbach[TOPIC] Marc Deslauriers' MOTU application18:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Marc Deslauriers' MOTU application18:01
dholbachhey mdeslaur - how are you doing?18:02
mdeslaurdholbach: great!18:02
dholbachcool - that's what we like to hear :)18:02
mdeslaurso, my application is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/MOTUapplication18:02
dholbachmdeslaur: when you started participating in Ubuntu development what did you find the toughest challenge?18:03
mdeslaurComing from an rpm background, I think the toughest challenge was learning debian packaging18:03
* nixternal kicks the wiki18:04
mdeslaurThere's a _bunch_ of different patch systems I had to wrap my head around18:04
mdeslaurbut once I figured the main ones out, the rest wasn't bad18:04
geserhow is rpm packaging compared to debian packaging?18:04
dholbachmdeslaur: mvo and I were talking about patch systems and creating a wrapper around all of them, so you just have to master one command... do you think that'd help?18:04
nixternalmdeslaur: I agree with you 100%...though I went from Debian to RPM recently, and it amazes how easy it is to package an RPM package...not so much easy, as it is less time consuming18:04
nixternalthough, because it is easier/less time consuming...man it can create some headaches really quick18:05
mdeslaurwell, packaging RPMs is pretty simple, as everyone pretty much does it the same way18:05
mdeslaurbut, on the other hand, RPMs are very simple, so as soon as you want to do something a little more advanced, it gets complicated18:06
dholbachmdeslaur: what apart from patch systems do you think might be unnecessarily complicated or do you think there's a good justification for everything?18:06
nixternalone of the things I see in your application is working on getting AppArmor support intgrated into apache...what is the future off apparmor? is it sticking around or is it going to get replaced?18:06
mdeslaurdholbach: i think having a bunch of different build systems is slightly complicated for a beginner also18:07
dholbachnixternal: http://lwn.net/Articles/353837/ :)18:07
mdeslaurnixternal: apparmor just got submitted upstream18:07
mdeslaurnixternal: it's the MAC system that fits well with Ubuntu ideals18:07
nixternalguess I should start reading again :)18:08
dholbachmdeslaur: so you think the variety of options to get the job done is the biggest problem?18:08
mdeslaurdholbach: to answer you earlier question, the what-patch command, and having XXX-edit-patch for every patch system is cool18:09
dholbachmdeslaur: I was more talking about one edit-patch command that does all the work for you :)18:09
mdeslaurdholbach: yeah, that would be great18:10
nixternalmdeslaur: why did you apply for MOTU instead of just going for core-dev?18:10
dholbachmdeslaur: so... are you up for hacking on it on the next sprint? :)18:10
mdeslaurnixternal: the process seems to be going through MOTU first, and being a Canonical employee, I didn't want to appear to be getting favors18:11
mdeslaurdholbach: sure :)18:11
dholbachmdeslaur: cool :-)18:11
mdeslaurnixternal: does that make sense?18:12
nixternalhrmm, we really need to fix something if a lot of people think MOTU is the first step...18:12
* mterry thinks that too18:12
jpdsnixternal: Soon it will all be the same.18:12
nixternalmdeslaur: as a Canonical employee you wouldn't get any favors, I automatically vote -1 for you all :p18:12
mdeslaurnixternal: oh, cool :)18:12
dholbachmdeslaur: nixternal was saying about some applicants that hadn't paid him18:13
dholbach.... anyway :)18:13
nixternalya, it seems a vast majority of the packages you worked on are in main with just a few in universe/multiverse18:13
mdeslaurnixternal: I do a lot of security update sponsoring for universe18:13
mdeslaurnixternal: and, do some security updates for universe in my spare time on packages I use18:14
nixternalmdeslaur: right, and if you went for core-dev and got it, you have access everywhere, which is where I think you should have went to be honest, but it is cool if you want to start here :)18:14
mdeslaurnixternal: I also fixed a bunch of issues in gnome-ppp the other day18:14
dholbachgeser, jpds: more questions?18:14
mdeslaurnixternal: I plan on becoming core-dev18:14
nixternalnot bashing you for going MOTU first :)18:14
jpdsNone from me.18:14
nixternalI am good on questions, and will have 1 recommendation when this is complete18:14
geserdholbach: no18:15
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Marc Deslauriers become MOTU?18:15
MootBotPlease vote on:  Shall Marc Deslauriers become MOTU?.18:15
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MootBot+1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 118:15
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dholbachcongratulations mdeslaur!18:15
nixternalmdeslaur: congrats and welcome!18:15
mdeslaurthanks everyone :)18:15
jpdsmdeslaur: congrats!18:15
nixternalmdeslaur: my 1 recommendation...NOW APPLY FOR CORE DEV! :)18:15
fabrice_spcongrats mdeslaur :-)18:15
mdeslaurnixternal: yes!18:16
dholbachfabrice_sp turned up, so we'll keep in order of the agenda18:16
* nixternal now has someone else new to pick on for KDE security stuff... kees will be happy18:16
fabrice_spI sorted some traffic jam :-)18:16
dholbach[TOPIC] Fabrice Coutadeur's MOTU application18:16
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dholbachhey fabrice_sp - how are you doing?18:16
fabrice_spI'm good. thank you :-) A bit nerviuos, I have to say...18:17
fabrice_sp(I think you'll a lot of typos today :-) )18:17
dholbachno need to do... apart from nixternal nobody of us bites18:17
geserlucky for mterry as else we would need asking him questions till fabrice_sp appears :)18:17
nixternalI don't bite, but I do punch :D18:17
* mterry will happily wait to be grilled18:17
dholbachfabrice_sp: good work on the FTBFS front - I had a look at a few patches of yours this morning18:18
fabrice_spI saw that :-)18:18
dholbachjpds, geser, nixternal: questions18:18
nixternalworking on that now :)18:18
fabrice_spI will submit the missing one to Debian just after this meeting18:18
* nixternal notes the new LP interface is confusing as hell18:19
* fabrice_sp noted that this morning18:19
dholbachfabrice_sp: you're interested in video editing... how are things looking there in Ubuntu?18:19
dholbachand do you have any plans for lucid with that?18:19
jpdsfabrice_sp: Other than changelogs do you seriously have no areas to improve?18:20
fabrice_spWell better now that there are some packages in Debian, but there is still a lot of packages only in Debian Multimedia that needs some care :-)18:20
fabrice_spFor Lucid, I really really want to get the latest Openmovieeditor, that I hosted in my ppa since beginning of the year18:20
dholbachfabrice_sp: what was the blocker to get it in Ubuntu?18:21
fabrice_spI assume you remember the 'gmerlin-avdecoder' bug :-)18:21
dholbachbeginning of the year and not in Ubuntu sounds like something went wrong18:21
dholbachyes, I remember bits of it18:21
fabrice_spwell, this missing package18:21
nixternalgood work on the old aRts removal stuff btw18:21
fabrice_spsince my sync request and when you had a look at it, the package became non buildable in karmic18:21
fabrice_spnixternal, thanks :-) Even if I'm not a K guy, I sometine fix some K packages :-)18:22
dholbachah ok... I remember... do you think there's a way to get it fixed?18:22
nixternalfabrice_sp: since none of your endorsements say there are any areas to improve on with yourself, do you think you have some areas to improve on at all, and if so what are they?18:22
fabrice_spdholbach, we just need to sync some packages from Debian and get this one from Debian multimedia18:22
nixternalfabrice_sp: that is always good in my books, people like dholbach just walk past them and assign me to them... or is that jcastro that does that :D18:22
dholbachwhat? :)18:23
fabrice_spnixternal, I really need to improve the link with Debian. It's still somewhat obscure to me how Debian packages and maintainer really work18:23
fabrice_sptechnical knowledge about building systems (discovered dbs some days ago :-) )18:24
dholbachjpds, geser: more questions?18:24
nixternalI am done18:24
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become MOTU?18:25
MootBotPlease vote on:  Shall Fabrice Coutadeur become MOTU?.18:25
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nixternalfabrice_sp: congrats and welcome!18:25
dholbachfabrice_sp: congratulations18:26
jpdsfabrice_sp: Congrats!18:26
fabrice_spthanks! That was quick :-)18:26
dholbachIt was time that you applied already :-)))))18:26
fabrice_spdholbach, thanks for your support: you sponsored almost 80% of my debdiff :-)18:26
dholbachthat might well be18:26
dholbachnow I can sleep one hour longer every morning ;-)18:26
dholbach[TOPIC] Michael Terry's MOTU application18:26
MootBotNew Topic:  Michael Terry's MOTU application18:26
dholbachmterry: hey Michael - how's life? :)18:27
mterryGood.  I'm in Portland for the Plumbers conference18:27
dholbachah cool18:27
nixternalmterry: interesting, you work for OEM services, yet cody-somerville hasn't chimed in on your application, time we do something about that cody character :p18:27
geserdholbach: I guess will find a new contributor for you soon to wake you up early :)18:28
mterrynixternal, yeah, I dunno.  When I applied for Membership, he abstained because he works with me.  Might be a conflict of interest thing18:28
dholbachmterry: how's deja-dup coming on? when is it ready for the default install?18:28
nixternaloh ya, he does that all of the time, then I try to smack it into him to give me the goods :D18:28
mterrydholbach, pfft, today!  :)18:28
mterrydholbach, it's good.  Will release a new version next week18:28
mterryAlways looking for contributors...18:29
dholbachmterry: so if I'll try to let it keep a few files and folders in sync for me on a couple of machines that'll work easily? :)18:29
nixternalmterry: well the same question for you, since your endorsements don't list any things you need to work on, just how perfect are you? :p  what areas do you think you can improve on?18:29
mterrydholbach, sync'ing isn't really it's forte.  More for disaster recovery18:29
dholbachah ok18:30
nixternalwhat happened to that nip2 upload on June 15th that didn't build on a darn thing?18:30
mterrynixternal, well, there's bits of process that I tend to forget like running update-maintainer.  And like I mention, I think I'm a bit hasty at times.  Need to slow down and double-verify my patches.  :)18:30
nixternalyou and I both on update-maintainer18:30
nixternalat least debuild tells ya, "HEY! FIX IT NOW!"18:30
* mterry tries to remember the nip2 debacle.18:30
mterrynixternal, there was at least one case of me forgetting to actually build a package and it ftbfs (totally my fault).  And there was once case of it becoming unbuildable between my patch and when it got pushed18:31
mterrySo I don't remember which nip2 is18:31
nixternalhehe, tis ok18:32
mterryI was doing a lot of merges at the time.  They all kind of merged together in my memory.  (hah!)18:32
nixternali have built stuff locally just fine, only to upload it and watch it blow up18:32
nixternalor I was in the wrong Konsole tab and committed something that wasn't supposed to be committed18:32
dholbachfor those who are interested in fixing it later on: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29642970/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.nip2_7.18.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :-)18:33
mterryThis is the one I forgot to build18:33
mterryAnd I've looked into fixing it.18:33
mterryNot an easy task.  it uses lots of 'private' GTK+ struct members that are now gone18:33
mterryLots of code changes.18:34
dholbachsounds like something that upstream should learn about18:34
mterryI believe I filed an upstream bug18:34
dholbachdo you have any more specific plans than getting deja-dup into main? :)18:34
mterryI don't think they have a bug tracker, hopefully I emailed that out18:34
nixternalno more questions from me...my dogs are clawing at my legs to go outside :p18:34
mterryhehe.  I hope to sponsor lots of stuff.  Long sponsorship queues are bad for both sides18:35
dholbachok... that makes me happy - no more questions from me :)18:35
dholbachjpds, geser?18:35
gesermterry: how did you manage to get member of ~ubuntu-mir before ~motu?18:36
mterrygeser, that's an excellent question18:36
nixternallol, good eye there geser :)18:37
mterrygeser, I can only assume because they were deeply underwater at the time.  I believe it was lool's/pitti's idea, because they knew me/my work18:37
nixternaldang, maybe someone needs to work on becoming a core-dev as well :)18:37
mterryHonestly, MIR is a bit different skill set than MOTU, although an eye for packaging tragedies is good18:37
mterryAnd I've only taken baby MIRs because I'm not confident18:38
dholbachthat could probably be announced a bit more publicly in the future18:38
geserbut it's still a good sign that they trust you to do MIRs18:38
dholbachteam changes wrt archive admins, mir people, etc.18:38
geserdholbach: yes please18:39
dholbachgeser: any more questions?18:39
mterrynixternal, core-dev is my next stop.  :)  or it's equivalent18:39
geserdholbach: no more questions18:39
mterryHurry up on the motu changes.  I want to be "The Last of the MOTUs"18:39
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Michael Terry become MOTU?18:39
MootBotPlease vote on:  Shall Michael Terry become MOTU?.18:39
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nixternalright, forgot that could change one of these days :)18:39
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dholbachcongratulations mterry!18:40
nixternalmterry: congrats and welcome!18:40
dholbach[TOPIC] Any other business?18:40
jpdscongrats mterry.18:40
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business?18:40
mterryThanks all18:40
nixternalYES! Welcome back MC? :P18:40
dholbachwho is going to do the honours?18:40
nixternalwhat a busy busy summer18:40
* nixternal voluntells jpds 18:40
* nixternal goes and lets the dogs out before he gets voluntold18:41
dholbachif nobody else does it, I'll do it - but I need to get the dog out before :)18:42
dholbachok... I guess I voluntold myself :)18:42
nixternalyes, yes you did :P18:42
dholbachthanks everybody18:42
dholbachtake care18:42
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fabrice_spthanks ;-)18:42
nixternalpfft, Canonical workers spending time on IRC during work hours...tisk tisk18:42
czajkowskinixternal: how about the other folks who spend just as much time on here avoding their work18:44
nixternalczajkowski: that's what I do :)18:44
czajkowskinixternal: likewise18:45
jcastroUbuntu Global Jam meeting is taking place in #ubuntu-classroom in about 2 minutes!18:59
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cody-somervillenixternal, For the record, I do indeed endorse mterry's MOTU application.19:45
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