[00:45] <jiohdi> anyone know how to transfer panel config settings from one machine to another?
[00:47] <jiohdi> dont all answer at once (^_^)
[03:57] <lancel00t> Hi, I am using xubuntu 9.04 amd64 and I have one problem: I can not get the slightest sound from my speakers and have adjusted alsamixer and the widget for sound repeatedly. The only thing I can really tell you other than that is that the PCM volume slider will ocassionally turn itself off entirely.
[03:58] <lancel00t> this is a problem for me and any help is appreciated
[04:43] <Balsaq> how do i register my nick name on here?
[04:44] <Balsaq> !nick reg
[04:44] <Techie> use nichserv
[04:44] <Techie>  /msg nickserv help
[04:44] <Techie> do that
[04:44] <Balsaq> i'll keep trying...maybe it is not an option?
[04:44] <Balsaq> hi techie
[04:44] <Techie> heya
[04:44] <Balsaq> i heard about that linux OP called puppy today
[04:45] <Techie> oh yeah
[04:45] <Balsaq> sounds fast
[04:45] <Balsaq> wonder whats missin
[04:45] <Techie> yes, but it has the potential to become annoying
[04:45] <Balsaq> oh thats not me
[04:46] <Techie> "/msg nickserv register <password> <email>"
[04:46] <Balsaq> thnks trying it
[04:47] <Balsaq> password email?
[04:47] <Techie> the password you want for your nick
[04:47] <Techie> and the email you want the confirmation sent to
[04:47] <Balsaq> do i pit it in the <  >
[04:47] <Techie> nah
[04:47] <Balsaq> just leave a space between the words
[04:47] <Techie> yep
[04:48] <Techie> it then send a comfirmation email to the email you provided
[04:48] <Techie> that contains a command that will complete the registration
[04:49] <Balsaq> cool
[04:50] <Balsaq> kinda a ketchy huh
[04:50] <Techie> my nick isnt registered by me
[04:50] <Balsaq> ghost?
[04:50] <Techie> ghosting is when you force a dead connection that is using your nick to change its name so you can change yours to your registered name
[04:51] <Balsaq> i use these internet terms almost as thought i know what they mean
[04:52] <Balsaq> i heard about it before somewhere but have no i dea how to do it
[04:52] <Techie> "/msg nickserv ghost nick password"
[04:52] <Techie> "/msg nickserv release nick password"
[04:52] <Techie> "/nick nick"
[04:53] <Balsaq> i need to bookmark the page with all the /msg language stuff...
[04:54] <Techie> hehe, just ask
[04:54] <Techie> i know alot of it
[04:54] <Balsaq> how do you do a whisper
[04:54] <Techie> "/whisper nick message"
[04:54] <Balsaq> oh that was easy
[04:55] <Balsaq> what is this form of texting called
[04:55] <Techie> plain chat i do believe or channel chat
[04:55] <Techie> a query window or conversation is one directly between 2 users
[04:55] <Balsaq> i heard of it before but i think it has another name..could be wrong
[04:56] <Techie> im sure it does have another name
[04:56] <Techie> im gonna re install linux tonight
[04:56] <Balsaq> which one
[04:57] <Techie> umm, maybe ubuntu maybe xubuntu
[04:57] <Techie> xubuntu would be nice as its 9.04
[04:58] <Techie> but i also know that i have ubuntu 8.10 working with minimal effort
[04:58] <Balsaq> when i did the 349 u-dates did that put me at 9.04?
[04:58] <Techie> or i can go for ubuntu server and sit in a command line all day
[04:58] <Techie> no
[04:58] <Techie> it just upgraded all your apps to the point before 9.04
[04:58] <Balsaq> when 810 runs good is it just not worth the risk to go up
[04:59] <Techie> if you look in the update thingy there is a 9.04 update button
[05:00] <Balsaq> i suppose as you upgrade you take up more HD space...someone told me to stay where i am with an 8mb video card
[05:00] <Techie> yeah
[05:01] <Balsaq> dell told me i can put a 128mb card in this submarine
[05:01] <Techie> i want to try out support for my gfx in 9.04 seeing its a 256mb card
[05:01] <Techie> 128mb would be a bit overkill
[05:02] <Balsaq> would it have side effects
[05:02] <Techie> go for a second hand nvidia card of 32 - 64mb
[05:02] <Balsaq> how cheap can that be done for
[05:02] <Techie> haha, just saw the funniest thing
[05:02] <Techie> !work
[05:03] <Techie> umm a second hand card might set you back about $50
[05:04] <Balsaq> geez i think i have seen new ones for that of course you are probably talking about money in you neck of the woods
[05:04] <Techie> yeah
[05:04] <Techie> 50 New Zealand dollars = 36.25 U.S. dollars
[05:05] <Balsaq> i hope it is easy to do...supposedly these XPS systems are easy to tool around with
[05:05] <Techie> yeah
[05:05] <Techie> most people think modifying a computer is difficult
[05:05] <Balsaq> plug in plug out i hope
[05:06] <Techie> once you get around the whole how the hell do i open this box stage
[05:06] <Balsaq> and i think your right about 32mb-64 because then i prolly wont need yo up the pwr supply
[05:06] <Techie> everything is easy as everything is shaped to fit a particular slot
[05:07] <Balsaq> oh i have been in there...took a big chance a couple years ago and put twice the amount of ram in as my book stated
[05:07] <Techie> which is how much?
[05:08] <Balsaq> well my book says 128x 3 slots...i did 256x3...so 768
[05:08] <Techie> woah thats pretty high for a system of 400mhz with dedicated video
[05:09] <Balsaq> thats when i found out those tech on the phone at dell were nuts
[05:09] <Balsaq> they wanted me to bury this thing....cuase it couldnt run pages on the net
[05:10] <Techie> dangit, i saved the password for my box in finland on my computer sometime thinking i would change it soon, and i never got around to changing it
[05:10] <Techie> now i cant find it
[05:11] <Balsaq> i wonder what would happen if i did 512x3
[05:11] <Techie> wouldnt run
[05:11] <Techie> i would think that your motherboard would support 1gig at max
[05:11] <Balsaq> i wont risk it...in eleven years, even new it didnt run like this
[05:12] <Techie> if you have the RAM there
[05:12] <Techie> try put in one 512
[05:12] <Balsaq> and see if it registers
[05:13] <Balsaq> dell said it wont hurt it but it will blue screen or something
[05:13] <Balsaq> but they actually dont know
[05:14] <Balsaq> when i ordered it i made them put in writing that i would get the intel motherboard with a specific chipset and not a no name
[05:14] <Techie> it wont blow it up though
[05:14] <Techie> so if you have it spare try it
[05:14] <Techie> if it doesnt work, put the 256 back in
[05:15] <Balsaq> dont havre it though buy if i see it real cheap ill prolly buy iy
[05:15] <Balsaq> thjey said i can put a 20 Hd in her
[05:15] <Balsaq> dont ned it though
[05:16] <Techie> yay got the owner of the box to reset my password
[05:16] <Balsaq> i'm surprised it had 512cache back in 1998
[05:17] <Balsaq> came with 51cache but only 64ram originally
[05:17] <Balsaq> 512 i mean
[05:17] <Techie> i now have everything i need set up to break free of my schools internet connection
[05:18] <Balsaq> so do you mean you arein school or so close you can run on their wireless
[05:19] <Techie> im at home at the moment
[05:19] <Techie> but now when im at school i can tunnel all my data properly
[05:20] <crouton1> hey guys.. does xubuntu come with a common lisp implementation, gcc, perl and php? i couldn't find a package list on the site.
[05:21] <Balsaq> there is a school about 300 yds from my house
[05:21] <Techie> it comes with gcc
[05:21] <Techie> dont think php or perl
[05:21] <Techie> but you can install them without any trouble
[05:22] <Techie> however xubuntu doesnt ship with its kernel source
[05:23] <crouton1> ah okay. thanks.
[05:23] <Balsaq> is there i book i can read on all this
[05:23] <Techie> on which subject?
[05:23] <Balsaq> on linux
[05:24] <Techie> there are many
[05:24] <Techie> most of them are outdated
[05:24] <Techie> i suggest getting friendly with man pages
[05:24] <Techie> !man
[05:24] <Balsaq> articles on the net?
[05:25] <Balsaq> wow clicked on them and it didnt come up
[05:25] <Balsaq> ill write em down though
[05:26] <Techie> haha, sudo gobbledegook blah_blah -w -t -f aWkward/ComBinationOf/mixedCase/underscores_strokes/and.dots
[05:28] <Balsaq> oh imeant to ask...when i went on ebay today.all the sudden it say i need to dload one of 3 things...Swfdec SWF Playergnome OR adobe flash player OR Gnash SWF i didnt do it and ebay ran fine as usual
[05:28] <Balsaq> (joker!)
[05:28] <Techie> oh yeah
[05:28] <Techie> thats just different flash players
[05:29] <Techie> i choose adobe flash as its updated by people who are payed
[05:29] <Balsaq> i know but which one...my guess would be gnome because gnome seems to have somthing to do with ubuntu
[05:29] <Techie> nah
[05:29] <Techie> go for the adobe one
[05:29] <Techie> people are payed to update it
[05:29] <Balsaq> so i wonder if they will want a credit card
[05:29] <Techie> so whenever the windows version gets and update, so do you
[05:30] <Techie> nah
[05:30] <Techie> its free
[05:30] <Techie> it just means it will be the most up to date
[05:30] <Balsaq> maybe that will make youtune run
[05:30] <Balsaq> it didnt pop back up again i suppose i can just go to adobe .com
[05:31] <Techie> it will
[05:32] <Balsaq> got a zip drive built into this thing and never once used it...what am i missing
[05:38] <Balsaq> why cant i pull up those links...
[05:38] <Techie> not sure, but im gonna swap my linux hard drive out and start installing soon
[05:38] <Balsaq> better you than me
[05:40] <Techie> okay, lemme see what distro's i have
[05:40] <Techie> geexboc 1.0 and 1.2 beta
[05:40] <Techie> opensuse 11
[05:40] <Techie> pclinuxos 2007
[05:41] <Techie> debian 502a
[05:41] <Techie> ^^ codename lenny
[05:41] <Techie> ubuntu 8.10 desktop and server
[05:41] <Techie> and xbox media center 8.10
[05:41] <Techie> what to choose, what to choose
[05:42] <Balsaq> i amgine you as having some kindo od room ar garage loaded with computer parts, test equipment and software...like some of the labs where i work
[05:42] <Techie> haha, i wish
[05:42] <Techie> one computer at the moment
[05:42] <Techie> and one set of parts
[05:42] <Techie> and miscellanious small hard drives
[05:43] <Techie> i also collect OS iso's
[05:43] <Techie> small netsplit
[05:44] <Techie> ooh i also have browserlinux which is a variation of puppy
[05:44] <Balsaq> i got try that puppy on some old puter
[05:45] <Techie> it will get annoying with its single click to open setting
[05:46] <Balsaq> its so funny. my in laws go thru computers like crazy...they get em all gunked up with spyware and stuff and throw em out, i told them to start giving them all too me, i think all they ever needed was a clean wipe and linux
[05:46] <Techie> lol thats good for someone who browses the internet and uses word
[05:47] <sancas> http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9853/pantallazoth.jpg
[05:47] <Techie> ooh nice compiz setup sancas
[05:47] <sancas> :D thanks
[05:47] <Techie> i can even make out what i think is the compiz fusion tray icon
[05:48] <Balsaq> so i cant do much elase with my ubuntu 810
[05:48] <Balsaq> ?
[05:48] <Balsaq> else*
[05:48] <Techie> you can, i cant
[05:48] <Techie> im a gamer so im kinda restriced
[05:48] <Balsaq> do you mess aroung with amd
[05:49] <Techie> not really, dont have enough cash to get a new cpu to mess around with
[05:49] <Techie> atm im running a Celeron D
[05:50] <Sysi> celeron! i have 2
[05:50] <Techie> celeron D
[05:50] <Techie> different to a regular celeron
[05:51] <Balsaq> id take a p4 or a d any day if i can get a deal
[05:51] <Sysi> i'm not sure about this, but i guess in eeepc it was celeron m on something
[05:51] <Techie> yours is a plain singles core
[05:51] <Techie> min is a hyperthreaded core
[05:51] <Sysi> yup
[05:52] <Balsaq> is it the D that identifies that
[05:52] <Techie> yep
[05:52] <Sysi> but i have e5200 for serious work :)
[05:53] <Techie> bel can you hold a link for me while i set up?
[05:53] <Sysi> oh, seems that i'll miss the bus if i don't go now, have a nice day
[05:53] <Techie> cya Sysi
[05:53] <Balsaq> brb
[05:54] <Techie> sw00t, time to install
[05:55] <Techie> ill connect from my live USB if i can
[06:04] <Balsaq> back
[06:07] <Techie> still on windows, suse wouldnt usb boot
[06:08] <Balsaq> WINDOWS
[06:08] <Techie> yes, i run windows
[06:08] <Balsaq> which one
[06:09] <Techie> xp pro
[06:09] <Balsaq> yeah i use it all day at work
[06:10] <Balsaq> those xp discs that are made only for dell are cheap o nebay 20-25 dollars
[06:10] <Techie> brb, my storage drive isnt loading... gonna check the bios
[06:11] <Balsaq> 10-4
[06:18] <Techie> welcome back danopia
[06:24] <Techie> okay now to install ubuntu 8.10
[06:28] <Balsaq> yur hummin along with this project!
[06:32] <Balsaq> techie/i just checked an it say my monitor resolution is 1600x1200? didn't think this ole 17 could do that?
[06:33] <Balsaq> would this old thing run better if i messed with the resoulution?
[06:33] <Techie1> what res were you thinking about?
[06:33] <Balsaq> dunno
[06:34] <Balsaq> but on windows i dont seem to remember an 11 year old monitor being able to do 1600x1200
[06:34] <Balsaq> which is what ubuntu says i am at
[06:34] <Techie1> haha
[06:34] <Techie1> yeah right
[06:35] <Techie1> you should be running at 1024x768
[06:35] <Techie1> on that sort of hardware
[06:35] <Balsaq> i think it used to be set at 1280x800 or something
[06:35] <Balsaq> should i get out the manual
[06:35] <Balsaq> cause it loads ebay pages kinda slow 93-4 seconds)
[06:35] <Balsaq> 3-4 seconds
[06:36] <Techie1> thats not bad
[06:36] <Balsaq> i know like i say barnd new  when w98 was new it took that long or longer
[06:37] <Balsaq> but does relotution setting effect speed at all
[06:38] <Techie1> brb going to #ubuntu to ask a question
[06:38] <Balsaq> yup
[06:38] <Techie1> nope it doesnt affect speed unless your running  a 3d app
[06:38] <Balsaq> oh so it will just get as close as it can to that 1600x1200 then huh
[06:39] <Techie1> yeah
[06:39] <Techie1> however if you go too large your 2d apps may start to slow down
[06:40] <Balsaq> i am surprised i can run around on ebay and do this at the same time
[06:40] <Techie1> hehe
[06:40] <Balsaq> on this old dog
[06:40] <Techie1> well your not exactly running low on RAM
[06:41] <Balsaq> thats for sure
[06:41] <Balsaq> most of those bus puter i told you about are only 512-1g ram
[06:41] <Balsaq> the ones they are dumping that is
[06:42] <Techie1> i presume that would be atleast DDR333 though
[06:42] <Techie1> comared to pc133
[06:42] <Balsaq> dunno
[06:42] <Techie1> compared*
[06:43] <Balsaq> ill look in the ones i use tomorrow cause the ones they are dumping look the same
[06:43] <Techie1> ooh yay
[06:44] <Techie> im me again!!!
[06:44] <Balsaq> how come yur always in and out like that
[06:45] <Balsaq> is that part of the tunnel deal
[06:45] <Techie> my main reason is i crash my X server quite frequently
[06:46] <Balsaq> you run thru a server
[06:47] <Techie> no
[06:47] <Techie> the X server is the graphical display
[06:47] <Techie> without it yoou would be stuck at a command line
[06:48] <Balsaq> verizon dsl told me they have a protective firewall on me and it has various settings...i wonder if they open it up if this dell will run faster? do i need the wall with ubuntu
[06:48] <Techie> the dell wont run faster, the internet may though
[06:49] <Techie> !x
[06:50] <Balsaq> didnt open again...writing it down, the other night most of the ones you sent opened?
[06:50] <Balsaq> but i saw the res setting thingunder "system' if that is what you mean
[06:51] <Techie> yep thats it
[06:51] <Balsaq> system, preference, screen resolution....
[06:51] <Techie> thats the one
[06:51] <Balsaq> so should i put it on a realistic number?
[06:51] <Techie> yeah
[06:52] <Techie> brb, gonna boot into buntu
[06:52] <Balsaq> when it was new before i messed with it it was actuaslly set at 800x600 i think
[06:55] <Balsaq> messed everything up now
[06:55] <Balsaq> put tit back but it wont change back uh oh
[06:59] <Balsaq> man that really messed me up
[07:00] <Balsaq> i guess this old tanker want that high res stuff and nothing else...whew
[07:12] <Balsaq> techie i thought i messed up my computer
[07:13] <techie> brb, gotta get support on setting up dual screen
[07:13] <Balsaq> that other es made the screen look horrible then i couldnt get it back until i turned it off and back on again
[07:14] <Balsaq> i gues ubuntu knows where it wants my stuff set?
[07:14] <techie> prolly
[07:15] <Balsaq> look fabulous like this but i didnt think i was set up for that res
[07:15] <Balsaq> but the printed words on my browser ..."applications, places, system" that stuff is in small print but clear
[07:18] <techie> !dual head
[07:21] <Balsaq> hhh
[07:23] <Balsaq> must log in to verify my nick as part of the nick reg....hmmm log in, i am logged in arent i?
[07:23] <techie> "/msg nickserv identify password"
[07:24] <techie> !xinerama
[07:25] <Balsaq> how do i log in techie, wont let me finish reistering my nick until then arent i logged in now?
[07:25] <techie> huh
[07:26] <techie> you copied and pasted the command from the email?
[07:26] <Balsaq> i did the reg thing then i sent me an email and told me how to finish it...so i did, in the process it says i need to log in to finish registering my nick
[07:27] <techie> then "msg nickserv identify password"
[07:27] <Balsaq> thought i was logged in now...just to get in here (yes did that stuff)
[07:29] <Balsaq> you do the nick serv stuff, then they email you a password, then you come back here and do a final step...but it says i need to log in first?
[07:29] <techie> to login you need to identify
[07:29] <Balsaq> ?
[07:30] <Balsaq> yeah i do the nick serv indentify thing
[07:30] <Balsaq> you mean to get in here or to do the nick register thing?
[07:31] <Balsaq> ahhh..no matter, nobody want the nick Balsaq!
[07:32] <Balsaq> i think it is because of the bizarre way i get inhere in the 1st place
[07:35] <techie> brb gonna restart X
[07:36] <Balsaq> 10-4 boss
[07:44] <Balsaq> trying edubuntu for a bit...
[07:49] <techie> !dualhead
[07:50] <techie> !xuinerama
[07:50] <techie> !xinerama
[07:53] <techie> brb
[07:57] <techie> !xinerama
[08:47] <tehC0unt> hello
[08:55] <Balsaq> why does it let me come stright to xubuntu without going thru rhe proxy? if i try to go to ubuntu i always have to go thru the prxy?
[08:55] <Balsaq> straight*
[09:24] <Balsaq> where have you bee techie?
[09:24] <techie> trying to figure out my graphics issues
[09:25] <techie> i think i might have to re install ubuntu
[09:25] <Balsaq> again thought you just did it
[09:26] <Balsaq> hope it doesnt take you as long as it took me...
[09:28] <techie> it doesnt
[09:29] <Balsaq> i think you said 45 minutes once...man those cel D's must be great
[09:30] <techie> its more of the 3ghz + 1.5gig RAM
[09:30] <techie> and bootable usb
[09:30] <Balsaq> 3g...did you overclock it?
[09:31] <techie> yeah
[09:31] <techie> its got a 10% oc
[09:31] <Balsaq> man that thing must be smokin fast
[09:31] <techie> 2.8 stock
[09:31] <Balsaq> can i clock my old dell 400
[09:31] <techie> would advise against it
[09:32] <techie> older cpu's werent designed to have their clocks changed
[09:32] <techie> doing so would probably overheat and kill it
[09:32] <Balsaq> but i have read tha the one i have is really the same as the 450 and 500
[09:33] <Balsaq> 440bx intel chipset
[09:33] <techie> yeah, once you understand how they brand CPU's you will understand why you dont want to overclock old cores
[09:34] <techie> !welcome Aristad
[09:34] <techie> !welcome | Aristad
[09:35] <techie> ill be back in the live USB
[09:41] <Techie> okay
[09:41] <Techie> the local time is 8:40 and im starting the install
[09:41] <Balsaq> cool lets so how fats that D can run
[09:44] <Techie> ive already given it all the info it needs
[09:44] <Techie> now its doing the automated processes
[09:45] <Techie> and ontop of its regular duties its gotta remove the old install
[09:45] <Techie> so this will be a longer install
[09:48] <Techie> its already at 44%
[09:48] <Balsaq> thats a gamer for u
[09:49] <Techie> lol
[09:49] <Techie> thats a nice second hand setup
[09:49] <Techie> a gamer would go faster
[09:49] <Techie> i could do a real gamer within about 20 minutes
[09:49] <Techie> but i would definitely have to use a live usb
[09:50] <Techie> a cd would just go too slow
[09:50] <Balsaq> more fun to play around makin somethin from almost nuthin than just buying one of those new ones though
[09:50] <Techie> i agree with you there bal
[09:50] <Balsaq> ill buy a new one when the prices bottom out but they arent built like my old dell
[09:51] <Techie> some are
[09:51] <Techie> my advice for when you do, dont get a dell... they dont make very good machines anymore
[09:51] <Balsaq> if they drop that 430 gamer i showed down another 100 bucks ill grab it
[09:52] <Balsaq> i heard that too its too bad
[09:52] <Techie> the gamer should be alright, but anything they advertise on tv is a no go
[09:52] <Balsaq> even the case fell like aluminum foil really thin
[09:53] <Techie> 80%
[09:53] <Balsaq> did you figure out the graphics problem
[09:54] <Techie> nope
[09:54] <Techie> i decided to just go with the proprietary driver
[09:54] <Balsaq> you mean the standard onboard graphins
[09:54] <Techie> too much work getting dual head to work in ubuntu when it complains about every graphics customisation you make
[09:54] <Techie> no, with ATI theres 2 sets of drivers
[09:55] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ug, ati
[09:55] <Balsaq> ahhhh
[09:55] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> thats caused me nothing but headaches
[09:55] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> in both linux AND windows
[09:55] <Techie> theres the open source drivers which are developed by the OS community
[09:55] <Techie> and the proprietary drivers which are closed source and maintained by ATI
[09:55] <Techie> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: ATI is slowly getting better in linux, SLOOOOOWLLY
[09:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ati no longer supports my card in 9.04 and anove >.<
[09:56] <Techie> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: as for in windows, i have no problem
[09:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> above*
[09:56] <Balsaq> often wondered, if you have a graphic card does that mean you dont have a onboard graphic built on the motherboard?
[09:56] <Techie> whats your card?
[09:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Radeon X1200
[09:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its a laptop card
[09:56] <Techie> no bal
[09:56] <Balsaq> mine is an ati 8mb xpert from1998
[09:56] <Techie> its more of an aftermarket mod
[09:57] <Techie> 95%
[09:57] <Techie> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt: i have a 9600XT
[09:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> my desktop has a 9600pro
[09:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> havent tried linux on that
[09:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> but im planning to install xubuntu on it
[09:57] <Techie> hehe, my cards brother
[09:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> thats why im here actually
[09:58] <Techie> you use dual head on that box?
[09:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I wanted to know what antivirus apps other than clamxv i could use in ubuntu to scan my windows partitions for windows viruses
[09:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> dual head?
[09:58] <Techie> 2 screens
[09:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> nope
[09:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> just got a new monitor
[09:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> old crt got so bad I couldent evne tell the difference between M and N anymore
[09:58] <Techie> you could prolly use the open source drivers then
[09:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> dosent mater to meif they are closed or open, propitery or not, just want the ones that would run better
[09:59] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> and cause the least problems
[09:59] <Techie> well closed will run nicer but you dont have compatability so video playback is slightly hindered
[09:59] <Techie> 99%
[10:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> compatibility?
[10:00] <Techie> done
[10:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> you mean some apps cant access them
[10:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ?
[10:00] <Techie> thats 20 minutes
[10:00] <Techie> i meant to say xv compatability
[10:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ?
[10:00] <Balsaq> beetr put dual fans on that thing or she'll blow up techie
[10:00] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> clamxv?
[10:01] <Techie> no, xv the video output
[10:01] <Techie> like opengl
[10:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> havent heard ofxv before
[10:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> .... seriously? they dont support opengl?
[10:01] <Techie> they do
[10:01] <Techie> i was using it to explain what xv was
[10:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I am afraid I still dont get what xv is
[10:02] <Techie> hrmm
[10:02] <Techie> !xv
[10:02] <Techie> !xvidix
[10:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> regardless, I am going to be installing it as a recovery os
[10:02] <Techie> yeah
[10:02] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so playinmg 3d games or whatever isnt going to be a prority
[10:03] <Techie> xv is simply put a way of drawing a video onscreen
[10:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> this is why I choe xubuntu over ubuntu
[10:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> less space to install and works better on older systems
[10:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its a mere pentium 3
[10:03] <Techie> lol
[10:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I just want to know what antivirus apps there are avalaible ogher than clamxv
[10:03] <Techie> i used to have a p3, it was a better workhorse than this celeron D
[10:03] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> sinve a livecd I used once had 5 of them on it
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> pentium 3 > celeron
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> even if its a higher clock speed
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> :)
[10:04] <Techie> p3 > EVERYTHING
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ...
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> except p4. core 2, core 2 duo, i5, i7.....
[10:04] <Techie> nope
[10:04] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> speaking of p3
[10:05] <Techie> i can load a p3 up with a greater load than i can a core2 clock speed wise
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I find it funny that the xbox1 used a p3 as its cpu, but the 360 has a dual core ppc based cpu
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> especially sinc eapple abandoned the ppc
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> XD
[10:05] <Techie> yeah, teh original xbox was extremely efficient
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> err
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> triple core i mean
[10:05] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> not duel
[10:05] <Techie> they also abandoned it at the same time as MS started using it
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> at least its not a cell
[10:06] <Techie> however this did not make modding the 360 any easier
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> X
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> XD
[10:06] <Techie> lol
[10:06] <Techie> anyway, ill brb
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> heh, k
[10:06] <Techie> gotta boot my HDD
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so uhh.... anybody have an advice
[10:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> on te antivirus apps
[10:15] <techie> welcome back
[10:15] <techie> you there bal?
[10:20] <techie> you there bal?
[10:35] <Balsaq> yeah was in puppy
[10:36] <boscop> I'm running xfce on ubuntu. when I boot, I have no panels, even if I unchecked "save session" at the previous logout.
[10:37] <Sysi> alt+f2 and type there "xfce4-panel"
[10:38] <boscop> yes, but it's annoying to do this everytime
[10:38] <Sysi> it should work when you do it once and then save session
[10:39] <boscop> ah
[10:41] <TheSheep> Sysi: try removing ~/.cache/sessions
[10:41] <Sysi> i don't have any problems :D
[10:42] <Sysi> but i still did that little time ago to get compiz working :P
[11:00] <mnemoc> hi, where are the prefered applications choices stored?
[11:16] <raevol> hey guys, i have a problem with nm-applet not correctly handling wpa2 passwords and now allowing me to connect
[11:16] <raevol> i can't seem to find who is responsible for nm-applet, could someone point me in their direction? this bug has existed for a while and is all over the internet with no solution
[11:16] <raevol> not* allowing me to connect
[11:32] <mnemoc> and another question, how do I make xubuntu _save_ the volume i set in alsamixer? it always start muted
[11:45] <TheSheep> !bugs | raevol
[11:46] <raevol> TheSheep: it seems it's a driver issue, and all the launchpad bug reports filed for this exact bug have been ifnored
[11:47] <raevol> no point in me filing another one
[11:47] <raevol> ignored*
[12:53] <boscop> I want to have mouse gestures in konqueror, but I don't have kde control center. is there a way to enable them without installing it?
[13:09] <TheSheep> boscop: I'd ask on #kubuntu
[13:18] <balsaq> should i install a ccleaner like file hippo with ubuntu or is there something already built into the OP (defrag, disc cleaner etc...)
[13:19] <Sysi> where do you think you need it?
[13:20] <balsaq> don't know that i do...hopefully i don't
[13:20] <balsaq> when i leave ff i just clean the browser histiry and all cookies everytime
[13:21] <Sysi> it just makes browsing slower
[13:21] <balsaq> what does those ccleaners or clearing the browser everytime you are done with it?
[13:22] <Sysi> remowes coocies etc an you need to download them again everytime
[13:22] <Sysi> *cookies
[13:24] <balsaq> so did you also mean that ubuntu doesn't need a ccleaner an defrag and all that jazz?
[13:24] <balsaq> i am just coming off windows...
[13:24] <Xyrnaes> balsaq: On Linux you don't need to defrag
[13:24] <balsaq> i was hoping you would say that
[13:25] <balsaq> i am no computer wizz i'll be right up front...
[13:25] <Sysi> if you install and remove lots of sofware apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean may be good
[13:26] <balsaq> been off of windows for 2 days...this runs ubuntu only and i have installed nothing
[13:26] <Sysi> just use it :P
[13:27] <balsaq> had a funny feeling it would be like that
[13:28] <balsaq> next...found my error console (8.10), i had an error-error in pursing value for property text align declaration dropped
[13:28] <balsaq> what the heck is that?
[13:29] <balsaq> doesn't seem to add up to anyhting as far as i can tell, but it kinda gave me that weird windows feeling in my bellt
[13:29] <balsaq> belly*
[13:36] <balsaq> (Sysi,Xyarnaes)if i had to guess, i think the errors maybe have something to do with me shutting down the computer before ubuntu told me it was shutting down
[13:38] <Sysi> you dont need to shut it manually
[13:38] <Sysi> on power button
[13:39] <Sysi> at least i think that propably isn't that wise to do
[13:39] <balsaq> i didn't know ubuntu was going to shut down, so when o clicked on the icon in the upper rt of the screen it just went tothe black ubuntu screen and kinda hung there so after a minute or so i hit the power button on my computer
[13:40] <balsaq> did that twice then someone in here told me not to do that...let ubuntu shut down, let it take a few minutes if need be
[13:40] <Sysi> well, i'd say it isn't broken 'cause of that, even if it gives some errors
[13:41] <balsaq> so iwill do it correctly now, well the errors are always the exact same statement as iwrote it, if i do i good shut down and they dont come back i will figure i caused it
[13:42] <balsaq> i cleared the errors and looked a minute or so ago and none were there
[13:43] <balsaq> is running perfect as far as i know, real snappy unless i go to ebay, then it takes 4 seconds to load a big graphic page
[13:45] <balsaq> so when ubuntu is ready for me to shut it down does the screen say anythinglike ...safe to shut dow?
[13:45] <balsaq> now*
[13:46] <balsaq> or does it just shut down on its own after i initiate it
[15:32] <likemindead> Just ran updates for Xubuntu 9.10 and network-manager won't start. :-(
[15:42] <likemindead> How might I install Wicd when my network-manager is dead? :-\
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> WB cody-somerville!  ;)
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> Been awhile since we saw you last
[15:48] <cody-somerville> oh?
[15:48] <cody-somerville> I was here just a few minutes ago :P
[15:49] <Pres-Gas> Your connection was reset by peer...I was just kiddin' around.  Too quiet for me.
[15:50] <likemindead> Howsabout helping me out, Pres-Gas? ;)
[15:51] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, I would ask you how Network Manager is not working?
[15:51] <Pres-Gas> But you are right, likemindead, you did make some noise and I should have paid attention.
[15:51] <likemindead> It was returning a bunch of missing libblahblahblah errors.
[15:51]  * Pres-Gas prostrates self before likemindead
[15:52]  * likemindead absolves Pres-Gas and thanks him for helping. :)
[15:52] <Pres-Gas> So, was this machine a clean install of 9.10, likemindead?
[15:52] <likemindead> It's kind of a moot point... I sort of uninstalled network-manager... :-\
[15:52] <likemindead> Yes, it's a fresh install of Xubuntu 9.10 Alpha 6.
[15:53] <likemindead> Just wondering how I can get online to install Wicd (without having network-manager).
[15:53] <likemindead> I suppose I could just get a .deb for Wicd and copy it via USB drive, eh?
[15:54] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, now that Network Manager is off the machine...you would need to go manually or install things with the usb drive
[15:55] <likemindead> How difficult is a simple, manual connection?
[15:55] <likemindead> It'd be ethernet, not wireless.
[15:56] <likemindead> I've been trying Google for "manual network connection ubuntu" etc.
[15:56] <Pres-Gas> Ahhh, better...'cos I would have been at a loss with wireless...
[15:56] <likemindead> Yeah, I want to keep it simple.
[16:00] <Pres-Gas> likemindead: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
[16:15] <likemindead> Thanks, Pres-Gas. I'll check it out.
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, that should get you started, likemindead
[16:16] <likemindead> :D
[16:17] <Pres-Gas> LOL...well at least you will know the files involved ;)
[16:19]  * likemindead is away: :::poot:::
[18:09] <n2diy> I'm playing around on my SOHO LAN, and I'm trying to use gFTP to move some files around, but I'm getting connection refused messages. Do I need to install an FTP server on the boxes?
[18:14]  * likemindead is back (gone 01:55:03)
[18:18] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, what is the scoop with your network?
[18:18] <likemindead> Haven't had time to pull my laptop out. Busy, busy, busy... :-\
[18:19] <Pres-Gas> n2diy, any machine that you wish to connect to you will have to put an FTP service on it.  Even though you are on a LAN, I would still look into sftp
[18:20] <Pres-Gas> ubottu, sshd
[18:20] <n2diy> Pres-Gas: ok, thanks.
[18:21] <Pres-Gas> !ftpd
[18:22] <Pres-Gas> Thanks, ubottu!
[18:25] <likemindead> lulz...
[18:30] <floating1> anyone give free ssh accounts on their machines ?
[18:30] <likemindead> ... ?
[18:30] <floating1> i would like to run weechat through screen
[18:31] <floating1> but my current screen at sun solaris.. i cant install it here
[18:31] <floating1> or i would like to give weechat a try, .. for a change, and maybe it is more convenient than irssi anyway
[18:35] <Pres-Gas> You would need to put some work in on it, but you could look here: http://wiki.cluenet.org/Main_Page
[18:35] <Pres-Gas> That is shell access, floating1
[18:36] <The_Kernel> Hi, what's a good PPTP client app?
[18:47] <likemindead> I just ran "sudo dhclient eth0" & then "sudo apt-get install wicd" Pres-Gas and it looks like it's working.
[18:47]  * likemindead crosses fingers.
[18:48] <Pres-Gas> w00t w00t!
[18:53] <likemindead> Huzzah! I'm back online in Xubuntu 9.10 thanks to Wicd! :)
[19:31] <howell> is there a better applet for a command line text box than verve?
[19:37] <neozen> howell: I don't think so
[19:37] <neozen> been half tempted to write some xfce panel applets though
[19:37] <neozen> howell: what should be there?
[19:37] <neozen> howell: ie... what do you expect should be there?
[19:37] <howell> it doesn't recognize any aliases from .bashrc
[19:38] <neozen> ...interesting
[19:38] <neozen> wonder what shell its using to run things
[19:38] <neozen> or if its using a shell @ all
[19:38] <howell> i doubt it
[19:38] <howell> it doesnt even autocomplete
[19:38] <howell> it says it supports it, but i don't see it
[19:39] <The_Kernel> !pptp
[19:39] <The_Kernel> !info pptp
[19:39] <howell> verve works great for running installed programs or simple one liners
[19:40] <howell> but it would be nice if it could drop down and show a few more lines if you wanted
[19:40] <howell> or while you were using it
[19:40] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, just scrolled up.  That is great...now to figure out why NM just died on you.
[19:41] <neozen> howell: perhaps something other then a panel applet would be better for your use case
[19:41] <neozen> ever looked into tilda?
[19:42] <howell> no, i'll look at it
[19:42] <neozen> !tilda
[19:42] <neozen> ...bah
[19:42] <howell> !tilda
[19:42] <neozen> howell: http://tilda.sourceforge.net
[19:43] <howell> i think i can just use apt
[19:43] <neozen> howell: its in the ubuntu repositories
[19:43] <neozen> howell: universe I think
[19:43] <neozen> howell: shouldn't require much beyond what xfce itself requires
[19:44] <neozen> howell: basically its a terminal that rolls down onto screen w/ a keyboard shortcut.... you do some stuff in it.... then whack the shortcut and it goes away again
[19:45] <howell> thats neat
[19:45] <neozen> I thought so
[19:45] <likemindead> Well, it's still Alpha software, Pres-Gas.
[19:46] <neozen> I tend to use it for long running processes I periodically want to keep an eye on....  but its good for occasional terminal use too
[19:46] <Pres-Gas> Indeed, likemindead, indeed.  I am attempting to wait for Beta...I would love to jump in early...but not enough machines
[19:47] <neozen> howell: and you can start many of them... have each one roll from diff places etc...
[19:47] <likemindead> I'm actually removing Wicd and installing network-manager just for kicks.
[19:47] <likemindead> (And now that I know how to connect via command line without either of them.)
[19:48] <neozen> likemindead: this... is good
[19:48] <neozen> likemindead: always useful in case network manager is borking up for some reason
[19:48] <neozen> likemindead: or you lack gui access on some system
[19:48] <howell> i do keep a binding for terminal: <alt>+~
[19:49] <neozen> howell: as do I .... cntrl+esc ..... a carryover from my windows days... when that opened the start menu
[19:50] <howell> do you know how to bind the super key to open the menu?
[19:50] <neozen> howell: nope...
[19:50] <neozen> howell: there's probably a way though
[19:50] <howell> i dont think its really possible the way everything works as is
[19:50] <howell> i can right click the desktop anyway
[19:50] <neozen> howell: I tend to use xbindkeys instead of the xfce keybinding thing.... tends to capture more keystrokes
[19:51] <neozen> howell: an example would be the "access ibm" key on this thinkpad
[19:51] <neozen> howell: never could get that working with the xfce keybinder
[19:52] <howell> does that just replace the xfce or is it in addition to?
[19:52] <neozen> howell: a warning about tilda though.... you'll have to break yourself of the habit of typing exit when you're done in it
[19:52] <howell> yea, i found out that it closes it
[19:53] <neozen> howell: doesn't close tilda though... just kills the shell inside it...... then you have to restart tilda
[19:53] <neozen> howell: appearance of it is configurable
[19:54] <neozen> howell: and is just a good all-around term (when you only occasionally have one on-screen)
[19:55] <neozen> howell: enjoy
[19:55] <neozen> howell: and sry I didn't actually help w/ your verve issue
[19:55] <neozen> howell: plus.. for running programs... can always hit alt+f2 and type your program in there.... that _should_ use shell aliases
[19:55] <neozen> howell: not sure though
[19:57] <neozen> time get back to work
[19:59] <howell> i'm in class
[20:17] <likemindead> Verily, huzzah! Network Manager is working again! :D
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> I do wonder what happened previously, likemindead.
[20:22] <likemindead> I ran updates and then some lib-something was missing and network-manager wouldn't start.
[20:39] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, oh, yeah.  I just installed alpha 6 on a vm and it already has 461 updates
[20:48] <likemindead> Whee!
[21:14] <Kanda> hello ! I'm have no sound (it is really really weak on headphones) on a very old toshiba s1800-100 laptop with xubuntu 8.04 (that I chose because it only has 128MB of RAM). ALSA and audio apps are happy, the snd-ali5451 module and its snd-* friends are loaded. I'm using linux since 1995 but I'm stuck. Could someone help ? Thanks !
[21:15] <likemindead> Hmm... I'm not very good with audio issues.
[21:15] <likemindead> I'd try a Xubuntu 9.04 Live CD and see if a newer version fixes it.
[21:16] <Kanda> likemindead: I have tried 8.10 but it was not better
[21:16] <likemindead> Lame.
[21:17] <likemindead> Maybe try PulseAudio?
[21:17] <likemindead> Or OSS?
[21:17] <likemindead> Instead of ALSA.
[21:17] <Kanda> likemindead: due to the low mem, I can only use an alternate install. Also X is tricky and wouldn't startup by default but I found an xorg.conf that's ok on the net
[21:17] <Kanda> likemindead: don't pulseaudio use alsa ?
[21:19] <likemindead> Possible help at http://michaelminn.com/linux/toshiba1800/ ?
[21:20] <Kanda> I googled like a mad and I've read this page ;) thx
[21:20] <likemindead> Ha...
[21:20] <likemindead> Sorry. :-(
[21:21] <Kanda> no prob. this page gave me the xorg.conf at least !
[21:22] <Kanda> likemindead: any hint about an ubuntu sound guru I could talk to on irc ?
[21:26] <Kanda> likemindead: are there 4front oss modules distributed by canonical's repos ?
[21:29] <likemindead> Over my head, Kanda, sorry.
[21:29] <Kanda> likemindead: thanks for your help anyway
[21:30] <likemindead> Try #ubuntu -- there's more folks in there.
[21:30] <Kanda> ok, bye
[21:36] <tehC0unt> hello
[21:38] <likemindead> Ahoy!
[21:38] <tehC0unt> hows it going
[21:39] <likemindead> Rainy. :-)
[21:43] <tehC0unt> you enjoy the rain?
[22:04] <tehC0unt> hello
[22:04]  * likemindead waves.
[22:05] <tehC0unt> are you a xubuntu expert?
[22:05] <likemindead> Not an expert, I don't think.
[22:05] <tehC0unt> haha do you think you could help me with a problem?
[22:05] <likemindead> What's up?
[22:06] <tehC0unt> well
[22:06] <tehC0unt> i just installed a new pci adapter
[22:06] <tehC0unt> and for whatever reason xubuntu does not recognize it
[22:06] <tehC0unt> i suppose i need to install the drivers
[22:06] <tehC0unt> but i dont have a lot of experience doing that on linux im pretty new
[22:07] <likemindead> PCI adapter? What are you using it for?
[22:07] <tehC0unt> ethernet
[22:07] <likemindead> Hmm. I've never seen a Linux box not load a PCI ethernet card.
[22:07] <likemindead> Can you try it in another slot?
[22:07] <tehC0unt> yeah i could do that
[22:08] <tehC0unt> i have a feeling it might be the slot because
[22:08] <tehC0unt> my old card was in there
[22:08] <tehC0unt> and it made the connection
[22:08] <tehC0unt> but could not connect to the internet
[22:08] <tehC0unt> like it recognized it but wouldnt link up
[22:09] <likemindead> Yeah. Just ethernet card, not wireless, right?
[22:09] <tehC0unt> yes
[22:09] <likemindead> Yeah. Should work out of the box.
[22:11] <tehC0unt> whatabout the drivers?
[22:11] <tehC0unt> they should just be in the kernel?
[22:12] <likemindead> Yes.
[22:13] <tehC0unt> my old card was pretty dusty
[22:13] <tehC0unt> do you think that would affect it at all
[22:13] <tehC0unt> in terms of working
[22:13] <likemindead> Possible.
[22:13] <likemindead> You can gently clean the contacts off and try it again. Try more than one slot.
[22:15] <tehC0unt> i will porb give that a try
[22:15] <tehC0unt> if i can ever get these frickin expansion guards off
[22:19] <likemindead> lamerz
[22:19] <likemindead> Yeah. I really bet it's a hardware issue.
[22:29] <tehC0unt> is it a big deal if ic ant get one of the bay covers back on
[23:47] <tehC0unt> anyone around?