| nubae|work | hi alkisg_work | 08:10 |
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| nubae|work | did u ever decide whether u were going to get teachers to use linux-for-education.org? | 08:11 |
| alkisg_work | Hey nubae|work, what's up? | 08:11 |
| alkisg_work | We had a small talk with some of them, and some of them said that they preferred to use the locally provided facilities... :-/ | 08:11 |
| alkisg_work | ...even if they're not as good as life | 08:12 |
| alkisg_work | It may need much time to get them to appreciate it :( | 08:12 |
| nubae|work | shame... they understand they will be full admins themeselves, and having a central place like this will allow many more users to appreciate their work? | 08:25 |
| nubae|work | there was an email to the edubuntu-users list about canonical wanting to get involved with moodle instances too | 08:26 |
| alkisg | Some teachers are asking on how to delete a user home dir (the user account is already removed with users-admin). I'm thinking to advice them not to do "sudo rm -rf /home/username" because, well, they may press "enter" by accident when they have written half of it (i.e. sudo rm -rf / - and if they'd done sudo before, it won't even ask for a password). | 12:01 |
| alkisg | So I'm thinking to advice them to use `sudo nautilus`. Any better way? | 12:01 |
| alkisg | (we're talking about teachers, not sys admins...) | 12:01 |
| ogra | better provide them a script with some safety | 12:09 |
| ogra | if they accidentially forget they run nauötilus with sudo way worse things can happen than your rm -rf / :) | 12:09 |
| ogra | your script could run zenity to aks for the username, run "gksu rm -rf /home/username" and sudo -k at the end | 12:10 |
| alkisg | ogra, "way worse things can happen than your rm -rf / " ??? Like?!!! | 12:28 |
| ogra | accidentially moving /etc or files in there ... stuff thats taking you weeks to find the cause for :) | 12:29 |
| ogra | constant point n click access is a lot worse than 10min of sudo acess to the filesystem :) | 12:30 |
| * alkisg always wanted to make a script to put the files to the trash instead of permanately deleting them... guess the time is now :) | 12:34 | |
| Pupuuuuu | what can edit vifdeos on puppy? | 16:46 |
| ace_suares | meeting! | 18:05 |
| ace_suares | release meeting is taking long and edubuntu meeting will follow ehen they are done or be cancellled after 18:00 utc | 18:07 |
| ogra | 18:00 UTC is still 1h togo | 18:08 |
| ace_suares | the meeting starts at 17:00 utc normally | 18:09 |
| ace_suares | i proposed to cancel the meeting if release is taking till 18;00 | 18:09 |
| ogra | there is only foundations and MOTU left on the agenda | 18:10 |
| ogra | foundationd is up, MOTU is usually short | 18:10 |
| ace_suares | kk so the meting statrs after they done OR if it's 18:00 the meeting is cancelled. is my prop. | 18:11 |
| ogra | you should discuss to get an edubuntu spot in the release meeting btw ... now that there is an edubuntu release again | 18:12 |
| ogra | (though that requires LaserJock or highvoltage input i guess) | 18:12 |
| ogra | probably a bit later for karmic, but you guys should make sure that edubuntu issues are on the radar of the release time in lucid at least | 18:12 |
| ogra | s/time/team/ | 18:13 |
| ogra | s/later/late/ | 18:14 |
| ace_suares | yeah I guess the EC needs to speak up about that. | 18:15 |
| ace_suares | havent heard from scotty in a while! what's happening? | 18:15 |
| ogra | he was ill | 18:15 |
| ace_suares | oh hope he is better now | 18:15 |
| ogra | he said so | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | can we just do the meeting here? | 18:15 |
| ogra | LaserJock, should be done in 10min | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | k | 18:16 |
| ogra | MOTU is done already | 18:16 |
| ace_suares | hee LaserJock! | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | what's actually discussed in the release meeting? | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | I've never seen an agenda for them | 18:16 |
| ogra | milestoned features and bugs | 18:17 |
| ogra | blockers etc | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | oh ... | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | so that'd mean we'd need some of those :-) | 18:17 |
| ogra | agenda is only sent to participating teamleads | 18:17 |
| ogra | so make sure you get a spot in the meeting and you'll get an agenda ;) | 18:17 |
| Lns_ | hi all | 18:18 |
| ogra | well, if you want to have freeze exceptions for example the r-m is the platform to bring them up | 18:18 |
| Lns_ | can't we have a meeting here if the meeting channel is taken up? | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | ogra: yeah, it's something we should be doing | 18:19 |
| ace_suares | Lns the meeting is almost done | 18:21 |
| LaserJock | ogra: well, that's that :-) | 18:21 |
| ogra | heh | 18:21 |
| alkisg | Meeting? :( | 18:23 |
| ace_suares | yeah in ununtu-meeting | 18:29 |
| alkisg | (thanks I got there...) | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: so the .iso link points to the addon CD | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: so for instance, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20090917/karmic-addon-i386.iso | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: that should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20090917/karmic-dvd-i386.iso | 18:58 |
| stgraber | right, so if I revive our good old Edubuntu DVD product and disable the Addon, that should fix it | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: also the general title is Edubuntu (Ubuntu educational add-on), I think that should just be Edubuntu | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | as we only have 1 .iso | 19:00 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu | 19:02 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: are the testcases ok or should we remove/add some ? | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | WinFOSS can go | 19:03 |
| LaserJock | should we rename Install (debian-installer) to Install (debian-installer LTSP)? | 19:04 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: sounds good | 19:05 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: the "additional instruction" links just get redirected to testcases.qa.u.c | 19:06 |
| stgraber | yeah, it's broken, fixing it now | 19:06 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: should be good now | 19:13 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/278133/ | 19:14 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: I guess that should work for now | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: I'm a little concerned about what happens if the Edubuntu DVD diverges from the Ubuntu DVD | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | but I guess for Karmic at least it shouldn't be an issue | 19:16 |
| stgraber | currently it's all generic testcases, as soon as we have our own on testcases.qa.ubuntu.com, I can update the links in the DB | 19:16 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: excellent, thanks a ton | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | that should make testing a lot easier | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | it's always frustrating to send people to the iso tracker and have it all outdated :-) | 19:17 |
| stgraber | np | 19:19 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | alkisg: am i looking for QoS on the throttling side of the router ? | 20:57 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | you mentioned that i could speed up my ltsp network by stopping the router and managed switches from "throttling" the traffic | 20:57 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck_Sr: I'm not really an expert on throttling... maybe you mistake me with someone else on this | 20:58 |
| alkisg | I've looked at bonding & flow control, but not throttling | 20:58 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | ah, yes, flow control | 20:58 |
| * Ahmuck_Sr got the right person, but the wrong name | 20:58 | |
| alkisg | Heh :) | 20:59 |
| alkisg | OK. That is an issue if your clients are 100 mbps, your switch 1 gigabit, and your server gigabit | 20:59 |
| alkisg | Is that the case? | 20:59 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl | 20:59 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | yes, that is the case | 20:59 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | with the exception of the wireless to wireless bridge | 20:59 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | that's all 100 mbps | 21:00 |
| alkisg | Behind the wireless bridge there's only your office client, right? | 21:00 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | er, well, client --> wireless bridge --> wireless router --> ltsp server | 21:00 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | actually i'm wanting to speed the clients up in the computer lab | 21:00 |
| alkisg | All the other clients are on the gigabit switch, correct? | 21:00 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | by doing that i may be able to speed the office link up | 21:00 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | yes | 21:00 |
| alkisg | Your office connects to the server by another NIC | 21:01 |
| alkisg | So it won't affect it | 21:01 |
| alkisg | It'll only affect the pc lab clients | 21:01 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | ok | 21:01 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | the inet --> wireless router --> ltsp server connection is 100 mbps | 21:02 |
| alkisg | Do I remember correctly that your switch is managed? | 21:02 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | from the ltsp server it goes out on a gigabyte switch | 21:02 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | it's a managed switch | 21:02 |
| alkisg | Does it have a flow control setting? | 21:02 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | let me check the docs | 21:03 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | ah, found it | 21:05 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | they call it "storm control" | 21:05 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | with a multicast or broadcast rate limit | 21:06 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | that's the only thing i need to change? | 21:06 |
| alkisg | If that is the same as flow control, yes | 21:06 |
| alkisg | You need to turn it off | 21:06 |
| alkisg | So that it doesn't send "pause" packets to the server | 21:06 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | ok, do i need to do anything server side on the gigabyte nic there? | 21:08 |
| alkisg | No, if your switch supports turning off flow control, you're done | 21:09 |
| alkisg | You can test it by running e.g. netperf from all clients to test if you actually get gigabit speeds | 21:10 |
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