[08:10] hi alkisg_work [08:11] did u ever decide whether u were going to get teachers to use linux-for-education.org? [08:11] Hey nubae|work, what's up? [08:11] We had a small talk with some of them, and some of them said that they preferred to use the locally provided facilities... :-/ [08:12] ...even if they're not as good as life [08:12] It may need much time to get them to appreciate it :( [08:25] shame... they understand they will be full admins themeselves, and having a central place like this will allow many more users to appreciate their work? [08:26] there was an email to the edubuntu-users list about canonical wanting to get involved with moodle instances too [12:01] Some teachers are asking on how to delete a user home dir (the user account is already removed with users-admin). I'm thinking to advice them not to do "sudo rm -rf /home/username" because, well, they may press "enter" by accident when they have written half of it (i.e. sudo rm -rf / - and if they'd done sudo before, it won't even ask for a password). [12:01] So I'm thinking to advice them to use `sudo nautilus`. Any better way? [12:01] (we're talking about teachers, not sys admins...) [12:09] better provide them a script with some safety [12:09] if they accidentially forget they run nauötilus with sudo way worse things can happen than your rm -rf / :) [12:10] your script could run zenity to aks for the username, run "gksu rm -rf /home/username" and sudo -k at the end [12:28] ogra, "way worse things can happen than your rm -rf / " ??? Like?!!! [12:29] accidentially moving /etc or files in there ... stuff thats taking you weeks to find the cause for :) [12:30] constant point n click access is a lot worse than 10min of sudo acess to the filesystem :) [12:34] * alkisg always wanted to make a script to put the files to the trash instead of permanately deleting them... guess the time is now :) [16:46] what can edit vifdeos on puppy? [18:05] meeting! [18:07] release meeting is taking long and edubuntu meeting will follow ehen they are done or be cancellled after 18:00 utc [18:08] 18:00 UTC is still 1h togo [18:09] the meeting starts at 17:00 utc normally [18:09] i proposed to cancel the meeting if release is taking till 18;00 [18:10] there is only foundations and MOTU left on the agenda [18:10] foundationd is up, MOTU is usually short [18:11] kk so the meting statrs after they done OR if it's 18:00 the meeting is cancelled. is my prop. [18:12] you should discuss to get an edubuntu spot in the release meeting btw ... now that there is an edubuntu release again [18:12] (though that requires LaserJock or highvoltage input i guess) [18:12] probably a bit later for karmic, but you guys should make sure that edubuntu issues are on the radar of the release time in lucid at least [18:13] s/time/team/ [18:14] s/later/late/ [18:15] yeah I guess the EC needs to speak up about that. [18:15] havent heard from scotty in a while! what's happening? [18:15] he was ill [18:15] oh hope he is better now [18:15] he said so [18:15] can we just do the meeting here? [18:16] LaserJock, should be done in 10min [18:16] k [18:16] MOTU is done already [18:16] hee LaserJock! [18:16] what's actually discussed in the release meeting? [18:16] I've never seen an agenda for them [18:17] milestoned features and bugs [18:17] blockers etc [18:17] oh ... [18:17] so that'd mean we'd need some of those :-) [18:17] agenda is only sent to participating teamleads [18:17] so make sure you get a spot in the meeting and you'll get an agenda ;) [18:18] hi all [18:18] well, if you want to have freeze exceptions for example the r-m is the platform to bring them up [18:18] can't we have a meeting here if the meeting channel is taken up? [18:19] ogra: yeah, it's something we should be doing [18:21] Lns the meeting is almost done [18:21] ogra: well, that's that :-) [18:21] heh [18:23] Meeting? :( [18:29] yeah in ununtu-meeting [18:29] (thanks I got there...) [18:57] stgraber: so the .iso link points to the addon CD [18:58] stgraber: so for instance, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20090917/karmic-addon-i386.iso [18:58] stgraber: that should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20090917/karmic-dvd-i386.iso [19:00] right, so if I revive our good old Edubuntu DVD product and disable the Addon, that should fix it [19:00] stgraber: also the general title is Edubuntu (Ubuntu educational add-on), I think that should just be Edubuntu [19:00] as we only have 1 .iso [19:02] LaserJock: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu [19:02] LaserJock: are the testcases ok or should we remove/add some ? [19:03] WinFOSS can go [19:04] should we rename Install (debian-installer) to Install (debian-installer LTSP)? [19:05] LaserJock: sounds good [19:06] stgraber: the "additional instruction" links just get redirected to testcases.qa.u.c [19:06] yeah, it's broken, fixing it now [19:13] LaserJock: should be good now [19:14] LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/278133/ [19:15] stgraber: I guess that should work for now [19:15] stgraber: I'm a little concerned about what happens if the Edubuntu DVD diverges from the Ubuntu DVD [19:16] but I guess for Karmic at least it shouldn't be an issue [19:16] currently it's all generic testcases, as soon as we have our own on testcases.qa.ubuntu.com, I can update the links in the DB [19:17] stgraber: excellent, thanks a ton [19:17] that should make testing a lot easier [19:17] it's always frustrating to send people to the iso tracker and have it all outdated :-) [19:19] np [20:57] alkisg: am i looking for QoS on the throttling side of the router ? [20:57] you mentioned that i could speed up my ltsp network by stopping the router and managed switches from "throttling" the traffic [20:58] Ahmuck_Sr: I'm not really an expert on throttling... maybe you mistake me with someone else on this [20:58] I've looked at bonding & flow control, but not throttling [20:58] ah, yes, flow control [20:58] * Ahmuck_Sr got the right person, but the wrong name [20:59] Heh :) [20:59] OK. That is an issue if your clients are 100 mbps, your switch 1 gigabit, and your server gigabit [20:59] Is that the case? [20:59] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl [20:59] yes, that is the case [20:59] with the exception of the wireless to wireless bridge [21:00] that's all 100 mbps [21:00] Behind the wireless bridge there's only your office client, right? [21:00] er, well, client --> wireless bridge --> wireless router --> ltsp server [21:00] actually i'm wanting to speed the clients up in the computer lab [21:00] All the other clients are on the gigabit switch, correct? [21:00] by doing that i may be able to speed the office link up [21:00] yes [21:01] Your office connects to the server by another NIC [21:01] So it won't affect it [21:01] It'll only affect the pc lab clients [21:01] ok [21:02] the inet --> wireless router --> ltsp server connection is 100 mbps [21:02] Do I remember correctly that your switch is managed? [21:02] from the ltsp server it goes out on a gigabyte switch [21:02] it's a managed switch [21:02] Does it have a flow control setting? [21:03] let me check the docs [21:05] ah, found it [21:05] they call it "storm control" [21:06] with a multicast or broadcast rate limit [21:06] that's the only thing i need to change? [21:06] If that is the same as flow control, yes [21:06] You need to turn it off [21:06] So that it doesn't send "pause" packets to the server [21:08] ok, do i need to do anything server side on the gigabyte nic there? [21:09] No, if your switch supports turning off flow control, you're done [21:10] You can test it by running e.g. netperf from all clients to test if you actually get gigabit speeds