/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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JontheEchindaHuh, I guess kdebindings didn't get merged this cycle. Or last cycle for that matter00:22
RiddelllJontheEchinda: I've never managed to merge it, it's so fragile it just breaks00:45
JontheEchindaunfortunately :(00:46
JontheEchindaanybody who's touched it runs away screaming in pain00:46
dtchentry eclipse00:48
* ScottK has tried to merge it (bindings) too01:06
nixternaldtchen: www.eclipse.org - binaries, much simpler :p03:00
ScottKRiddelll: It looks like libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc did not get promoted along with the other archs, so kdegraphics is depwait on powerpc.  Would you please promote them?03:48
ScottKRiddelll: Also i386 live CD is oversized.  I looked at the seeds and didn't have any great ideas.04:09
rgreeningScottK: did the dbg syms get removed from Amarok? that would help if they have not,,,04:12
ScottKNo idea.04:12
ScottKGood question though.04:12
rgreeningI think that was what Jontheechidna was saying the other day04:13
savastenRiddelll: Thank You for fixing the kdebase-workspace-data build issue.06:01
jussi01Riddelll: or whomever is responsible for kpresenter youve got a slight packaging error:06:16
jussi01Unpacking replacement kpresenter-data ...06:16
jussi01dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb (--unpack):06:16
jussi01 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pixmaps/kpresenter.xpm', which is also in package kpresenter-kde4 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu106:16
jussi01(on karmic)06:18
Quintasan|Szelhiho06:29
skreechHi06:33
skreechjussi01: Which Koffice package?06:33
jussi01 kpresenter-data?06:34
jussi01skreech: read again? :D06:34
skreechSorry version06:35
* jussi01 points up....06:35
skreech!info kpresenter-data karmic06:37
ubottukpresenter-data (source: koffice): data files for KPresenter presentation program. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu9 (karmic), package size 1858 kB, installed size 3848 kB06:37
skreechok06:37
jussi01/var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb06:37
skreechYeah Was just checking on something07:02
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Riddelllyay, DVDs aren't oversized!09:10
RiddelllScottK: CDs have language packs on now so that can be shoved about to fix oversizing09:12
* Riddelll does so09:12
agateauRiddelll: it seems latest Konversation does not have the indicator configuration ui10:20
agateauRiddelll: can you confirm this on your machine?10:20
Riddelllagateau: not currently, I'm testing upgrades10:33
agateauRiddelll: ok10:33
agateaurebuilding from source seems to bring it back though,10:34
agateauso maybe it was an issue with the build machine10:34
markeyhi all11:21
markeysince the latest karmic update my sblive sound output seems broken11:21
markeycan't play anything11:21
markeyhm with pulseaudio it works11:26
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markeythanks for including taglib 1.6 and the new taglib-extras :)12:14
markeyworks fine with amarok 2.212:14
Riddelllagateau: where should I see MI configuration in konversation?  as a separate "tab" in Settings -> Configure Konversation ?12:25
agateauRiddelll: there should be an item near the osd item in the tree on the left12:39
Riddelllagateau: I agree it's not there12:42
Riddelllagateau: recompiling does no good either12:42
Riddelllall the patches are applied though12:42
agateaustrange,12:42
Riddelllagateau: what version did you recompile?12:42
agateauit fixed it here12:43
agateau1.2~beta112:43
Riddelllagateau: how did you recompile it?  just with debuild?12:44
agateauRiddell: no, I was getting ready to hack on it,12:44
agateauso I applied the patches with quilt and build it manually12:44
Riddelllagateau: I can't get it to appear even doing what you say, quilt manually and compiling by hand12:55
Riddelllis there some build dep it's missing?12:55
Riddelllit says --   found indicate-qt, version 0.2.112:55
agateaushould be good then12:56
agateauI copied the debian/ dir from bzr, maybe it's fixed there?12:56
jussi01Real quick question, when something is fixed upstream, should it be marked as fix commited on LP's ubuntu package? or wait till it hits ubuntu?13:01
jussi01Im asking re: bug 37574513:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375745 in pioneers "unable to register clients with pioneers-server in jaunty" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37574513:01
a|wen-dtuhas anyone tested the new kbluetooth? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kbluetooth?content=11211013:02
Riddellljussi01: I think ideally it would be linked to an upstream bug and that marked as fix comitted13:03
Riddelllbut you'd need to ask a bug squad type to know13:03
a|wen-dtujussi01: i would use "triaged" in that case13:03
Riddellla|wen-dtu: we have 0.4~beta1b in the archive, tonio put it there, no idea if it works or if kblueplugd is needed13:04
jussi01a|wen-dtu: I dont want to step on anyones toes, hence Im asking (I didnt put it like it is, so Im wondering on what the normal course of action is)13:04
a|wen-dtuRiddell: ahh, cool ... time to test how good things work now, when i get home13:06
Riddellla|wen-dtu: do let us know what you find13:08
a|wen-dtujussi01: afaics jechidna does it that way, so i've adopted that ... but many teams have different approaches13:09
ScottKRiddelll: Did you get a chance to look at promoting libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc so kdegraphics can build?13:11
RiddelllScottK: oh no, hang on13:15
RiddelllScottK: done13:16
ScottKRiddelll: Thanks.13:16
JontheEchindaagateau: seen bug 436088? Seems to crash updating the message indicator13:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436088 in kdepim "kmail crashed with SIGSEGV in QString::replace()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43608813:35
JontheEchindaalso, good morning guys :)13:36
agateaulooking at it13:36
a|wen-dtumorning JontheEchinda13:36
Riddelllagateau: well it's something to do with 0004-Make-dependency-on-indicate-qt-optional.diff, if I disable that it works13:38
RiddelllI'll upload it with that disabled for beta13:38
agateauRiddell: ok thanks13:39
agateauwill look at this patch more closely13:39
Riddelllagateau: you said it worked for you so maybe you have a newer version of something (kdelibs, cmake?) than kubuntu karmic does13:41
agateauRiddelll: don't think so, but will investigate13:41
QuintasanRiddelll: well I'm going to consul to apply for a visa13:46
kjeldahlRidelll: Just a quick thank you. After the fixes built and propagated my desktop was operational again this morning.13:46
Quintasanin worst case I won't use it13:47
RiddelllQuintasan: where are you based?13:48
Riddelllkjeldahl: phew13:49
QuintasanRiddelll: Poland13:49
* kjeldahl grins13:49
Riddelllagateau: I don't suppose you know of a way to make a kconf_update script run only after another kconf_update script has run?13:50
agateauRiddelll: you don't suppose well :/13:50
QuintasanRiddelll: I'm going out, brb13:51
Quintasan|Szelback :p13:55
* Quintasan|Szel has few packages planned to go into 10.0413:56
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agateauRiddelll: when you have time, I released a new libindicate-qt, which should help KDE applications running on GNOME14:01
agateaunothing urgent though14:01
Riddelllagateau: after beta then14:02
agateauok14:05
Riddelllshtylman: any update on bug 424132 ?14:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 424132 in openoffice.org "[kubuntu] OOo KDE file dialog is utterly broken." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42413214:46
Riddelllyuriy: do you know if apport got fixed?14:48
agateauRiddelll: new kmail patchset,14:51
agateaushould fix bug 43608814:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436088 in kdepim "kmail crashed with SIGSEGV in QString::replace()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43608814:52
Riddelllagateau: is this important for beta?14:52
agateauRiddelll: I think so14:53
Riddelllok I'll update14:53
agateauI could not reproduce unfortunately, but quite a few people reported crash on startup14:53
agateauwas wondering if it was simpler for you to have one big patch, or separate smaller ones?14:53
Riddelllwell smaller ones are nicer until they start overlapping each other14:55
Riddellleither way is fine though14:56
agateauI kept them small because I believe it's easier to review for upstream,14:57
agateaubut they overlap a lot14:57
agateausince I automated a bit the patchset generation, I could easily generate splitted and solid patches at once, if it's useful14:58
RiddelllI think it's fine as it is with split ones15:01
agateauok15:03
ryanakcanixternal: Around? (if not, disregard)15:17
yuriyRiddelll: the first part of the fix got applied afaik. still haven't tested if the pyqt problem is fixed15:18
nixternalryanakca: ya15:19
ryanakcanixternal: OK. I'm trying to see if I could get you to give an ack on getting the kubuntu wiki theme onto help.ubuntu.com/community instead of waiting for mdke to show up. Just a sec15:22
nixternalhaha, right... matt is gonna be afk a bit since he lost irc on his server host15:23
ryanakcanixternal: *twiddles while waiting*, oh, and Re: your GTD blog post... have you tried yokadi ? I'm sure agateau could give you a great marketing speel on it. I like it.15:26
agateau:)15:26
nixternalyokadi..that's what that one was called15:27
nixternalis that the cli one?15:27
nixternalI remember trying it when it first came out15:27
ryanakcanixternal: Yes15:28
agateaudoesn't support multiple machines yet :/15:28
nixternalmight have to check it out again...I have been using todo.sh which isn't to shabby15:28
nixternalagateau: that's fine, as it run it on my server that I am constantly ssh'd into15:28
agateaugive it a try then!15:29
nixternalthough, i really want something i can use my blackberry with as well...and it seems all of the gui apps that will allow that, are just to much15:29
nixternalthough I can ssh into my server with my blackberry too :)15:29
Riddelll15:32 < pitti> Riddelll: ubuntu-bug works fine on KNE for me; I get an "ICE default IO handler error" thing on stderr, but it collects info, uploads to LP, opens brwoser15:33
Riddelllyuriy: ^^15:33
Riddelllso that's sorted15:34
yuriyRiddelll: but does the process still hang afterwards?15:37
Riddelllallow me to cross channel paste that15:39
Riddelll15:38 < pitti> hm, it just goes back to the terminal15:40
Riddelll15:38 < pitti> as it should15:40
Riddelllyuriy: any further questions you can ask yourself on #ubuntu-desktop :)15:40
tseliotis anyone affected by bug #428662 here?15:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428662 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "kdm crashes system on logout" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42866215:44
yuriyRiddelll: well, great then15:45
Riddellltseliot: moi15:45
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tseliotRiddelll: can you test the package in my PPA, please? https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+packages15:46
Riddellltrying15:50
tseliotthanks15:50
Riddellltseliot: it stops X crashing15:54
RiddelllI don't get back to KDM though, but I think that's another bug15:54
tseliotRiddelll: do you get a black screen?15:55
Riddelllblack screen with mouse cursor15:55
tseliotright, I can reproduce the same behaviour here15:56
Riddellltseliot: but that's KDE bug I believe, and having fixed the X bug we can start to look at that one15:57
tseliotRiddelll: ok, can you add a comment in the bug report and maybe add a task for kdm, please?15:57
* tseliot agrees that it doesn't look like an X bug15:58
RiddelllJontheEchinda: do you know the bug number for failing to complete logout?15:58
JontheEchindaoh! there was one, actually15:59
JontheEchindaapparently kdm should be trying to restart itself even if X does crash15:59
JontheEchindabug 43252116:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432521 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not restart X server (that crashed on logout)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43252116:00
Riddelllwell that's not what I'm looking for,  it doesn't crash now with tseliot's fix :)16:00
JontheEchindaall others, when investigated, had X crashing and were redirected to -intel16:01
* nixternal notes that with the upstart script he wrote, you can log out successfully16:03
nixternalTonio_ can verify that as well16:03
Riddelllnixternal: did you pass that by keybuk?16:03
nixternalit is rough and I wanted to pass it by you first16:03
nixternalit is really just the meat and potatos of the init.d script, just inside an upstart script16:03
nixternalthing is...i can't remember wth I put it16:04
* nixternal notes grepping #kubuntu-devel for upstart starts in 2006 :/16:05
Tonio_nixternal: I didn't notice any trouble indeed...16:05
Riddellltseliot: will you upload this now?16:05
Tonio_nixternal: any reason for not going with your upstart script by default ?16:06
Riddelllnixternal: I'm not really the expert on converting init.d to upstart16:06
tseliotRiddelll: if you're referring to my fix, then yes16:06
Riddellltseliot: let me know when it's up and I can approve it16:06
nixternalhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/16:07
nixternalthere it is :)16:07
tseliotRiddelll: great, thanks, let me attach a debdiff16:07
nixternalkeybuk and I discussed adding some feature to it, but I will have to query him for more info on that, but it does work right now16:08
nixternalthank god I found that pastebin link, as it was on my desktop which I reformatted yesterday :)16:08
nixternalI know the author part is incorrect, so that can be moved...I found out you can't leave those tags blank, otherwise the script doesn't work :)16:09
ryanakcanixternal: Hmmm... think that the background gradient on the pages should be longer? It fits fully in my browser window... but on long pages, you end up with just a light blue background when you scroll down a window's worth... Maybe make it smoother/more gradual?16:10
nixternalryanakca: that is up to you...it doesn't bother me to be honest..but if you can make it prettier, I am always down for that :)16:10
ryanakca*nod*16:11
ryanakcaRiddelll: The wikitheme is now applied on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ :D16:11
tseliotRiddelll: ok, done16:13
Riddellltseliot: uploaded16:21
tseliotRiddelll: thanks a lot :-)16:22
RiddelllI think it's you who should be thanked16:22
tseliot;)16:27
Riddelllnixternal: did you find the KDM upstart-ification?16:51
JontheEchindahe pastebin'd it a few minutes ago16:52
Riddelllso he did16:53
* rgreening wishes my usb sticjk would start magically working again... stupid hal/devkit/udev/mountall silliness with this Acer 6930...17:10
Riddelllnixternal: so what do I need to do to get this upstart script working?17:16
RiddelllI put it in /etc/init/kdm.conf but nothing happens17:16
RiddelllTonio_: do you know?17:16
nixternalRiddelll: you need to add a link for kdm in /etc/init.d/ to point to /lib/init/upstart-job17:20
nixternal/etc/init.d/kdm -> /lib/init/upstart-job17:20
Riddellldone that too17:20
nixternaland yes, /etc/init/kdm.conf17:20
Riddellland delete the kdm link in /etc/rc2.d ?17:21
nixternalI didn't delete that when I tried iirc17:21
nixternalargh kontact doesn't nothing but crash17:23
Riddelllnixternal: there was a kdepim upload a couple of hours ago17:23
* nixternal checks17:23
Tonio_Riddelll: you need to create a /etc/init.d/kdm link pointing to /lib/init/upstart-job17:52
Tonio_Riddelll: then it'll be started and kdm.conf is used17:52
RiddelllI also need a copy of nixternal's script that hasn't been mangled with windows lineendings by a stupid pastebin18:02
nixternalRiddelll: you can select the raw version there that removes the lines :)18:02
nixternalhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/plain/18:03
Riddelllno it still adds Windows line endings18:03
nixternaleven if you save it?18:03
Riddelllyes18:03
Riddelllwhich seems to confuse upstart18:03
nixternalinteresting18:03
Riddelllalmost all pastebins do that, it's very annoying18:03
nixternalfix it now for you18:04
nixternalRiddelll: http://www.nixternal.com/files/kdm.conf18:08
rgreeningsed -i 's/^M//g' kdm18:09
rgreening:)18:09
rgreeningsed is your frined18:10
rgreeningfriend even18:10
nixternalto late :p18:10
rgreeningassuming the CTRL-M is the issue (of course use CTRL+V CTRL+M to make the nice ^M18:11
rgreeninghaha18:11
txwikinger_workdos2unix?18:23
txwikinger_workin the package tofrodos!18:24
rgreeningwhat package provides the global keyboard shortcuts? On one system I see Amarok, Chokoq, etc.. on my other, nada... bizarre18:24
txwikinger_worklo no se18:25
neversfeldevorian: ping18:42
Riddelllkdm upstart-ified, let me know of any problems when it appears on the archive mirrors please19:33
rgreeningcool19:42
nixternalRiddelll: I take it that it worked for you then?19:46
Riddelllnixternal: after some hackering19:50
nixternalRiddelll: what kind of hackering?19:51
macois kmail super-crashy for anyone else today?20:13
nixternalmaco: yup20:14
rgreeningyeah... me 220:14
macowell at least there's solidarity20:15
nixternalI stopped using it...I was going to play around with it for a while to try a new workflow...needless to say, I have gone back to Mutt..just can't beat Mutt I don't think20:15
maconixternal: ouch http://identi.ca/notice/1073415220:23
maco(also: and so does his theme so ni!)20:23
nixternalheh, that is a stupid user who hasn't looked at their packaging, nor the patches that came from...umm, well us20:23
nixternaland some from opensuse as well20:23
* nixternal looks to see if the arch packages still have packaged binaries cuz they couldn't figure out cmake with their silly build system20:24
nixternaland lets not forget their massive lack of support with chakra and amd6420:24
nixternalI run Arch here as well20:25
* maco starts CentOS VM....please don't OOM20:29
Riddelllnixternal: well the invoke-rc.d had to be changed to the upstart command, the old one won't work any more20:40
Riddelllnixternal: also, poke about QA feedback plasmoid20:40
nixternalahh, ok...what's up with qa?20:41
Riddelllnixternal: No survey available20:42
nixternalgotcha20:42
nixternalRiddelll: try now20:45
nixternallooks like it is working now20:46
Nightrosemaco: ZUI = zooming user interface20:47
Nightroseso the activities zooming out in plasma20:48
Riddelllnixternal: great, thanks20:48
macoNightrose: oh. the thing that doesnt work.20:49
macoi set different wallpapers on 2 of 'em20:49
macoi tried to zoom into a different one...but it always zooms back into the original one....until i rebooted. now its always on either the 3rd or 4th and so my plasmoids are missing :(20:50
maco'course, it *could* be because i dont use kwin...though that wouldnt explain it changing activities over reboot20:50
nixternalmaco: cool, now instead of them showing off their packaged binaries, they removed their pkgbuilds from svn so you can't see the packaged binaries :p20:51
nixternalie. kdebindings is in shambles there20:51
maconixternal: ok mr. pkgr who uses arch, tell 'im that20:52
nixternaldon't need to, they already know..that's why their packagers are cool, their users on the other hand...20:52
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Quintasanwut, stickers? do want21:17
nixternalahaha21:17
ScottKRiddelll: Does this mean logout/login should work now?21:22
* Quintasan takes nixternals stickers21:24
Quintasanbwaahahah! :P21:24
markeyyo22:41
markeycan we please get rid of PulseAudio?22:41
markeyI'm not amused by its lackluster performance22:41
markeynor do I need it22:41
markeymy soundcard can do hardware mixing22:41
markeyalas, karmic no longer likes to access it directly22:41
markeyI'd like to access my card directly22:42
ScottKmarkey: Kubuntu doesn't use it.22:45
a|wenmarkey: just stay away from gnome-apps pulling it in22:45
markeysince the latest karmic updates I can't access the emu10k1 directly22:46
markeythe device is not accessible via phonon22:46
markeyhad to install PulseAudio to get any sound22:47
a|wenhmm, doesn't pulseaudio access the device directly just as you would22:51
Mamarokmarkey: gah, stop that playback it's horrible22:52
shtylmanrgreening: working on small screen version/workaround and should have something monday evening :)22:52
markeya|wen: in theory maybe22:54
* a|wen just hates flash-plugin blocking his phonon22:55
RiddelllScottK: well it should but it gets stuck for me which I think is another bug we've had for a while in karmic but I couldn't recreate it because it always crashed23:03
yuriygwenview can't save as gif? huh?23:13
Riddelllwhyever would you want to?23:17
yuriybecause that's what the source image happened to be23:27
ScottKRiddelll: Any objection if I go ahead and put KDE4.2.4 in Jaunty Backports over the weekend?23:46
nixternalScottK: how does Ubuntu do the GNOME releases? are they going to backport 2.28 or will they just release it in a PPA for <Karmic?23:46
ScottKnixternal: They don't bother except for LTS releases.23:47
ScottKWe do a lot more post-release stuff than they do.23:47
nixternalso if I am using Jaunty, I am stuck with 2.26 then?23:47
nixternalunless I update to Karmic of course23:47
nixternalya, they don't push major releases at all according to lp23:48
nixternalso I think what you proposed is good then23:48
nixternaldo we support bug reports and what not for the PPA?23:49
nixternalif not, I think we should disable bug reporting in KDE apps that we serve out of the PPAs23:50
ScottKnixternal: Maybe those packages should report to b.k.o.23:52
nixternalI don't think they should...before people were filling up b.k.o with bad reports23:53
ScottKWith the new requirement to report through ubuntu-bug, they won't be able to file reports anyway.23:54
nixternaltrue23:59

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