[00:22] <JontheEchinda> Huh, I guess kdebindings didn't get merged this cycle. Or last cycle for that matter
[00:45] <Riddelll> JontheEchinda: I've never managed to merge it, it's so fragile it just breaks
[00:46] <JontheEchinda> unfortunately :(
[00:46] <JontheEchinda> anybody who's touched it runs away screaming in pain
[00:48] <dtchen> try eclipse
[01:06]  * ScottK has tried to merge it (bindings) too
[03:00] <nixternal> dtchen: www.eclipse.org - binaries, much simpler :p
[03:48] <ScottK> Riddelll: It looks like libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc did not get promoted along with the other archs, so kdegraphics is depwait on powerpc.  Would you please promote them?
[04:09] <ScottK> Riddelll: Also i386 live CD is oversized.  I looked at the seeds and didn't have any great ideas.
[04:12] <rgreening> ScottK: did the dbg syms get removed from Amarok? that would help if they have not,,,
[04:12] <ScottK> No idea.
[04:12] <ScottK> Good question though.
[04:13] <rgreening> I think that was what Jontheechidna was saying the other day
[06:01] <savasten> Riddelll: Thank You for fixing the kdebase-workspace-data build issue.
[06:16] <jussi01> Riddelll: or whomever is responsible for kpresenter youve got a slight packaging error:
[06:16] <jussi01> Unpacking replacement kpresenter-data ...
[06:16] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:16] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pixmaps/kpresenter.xpm', which is also in package kpresenter-kde4 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu1
[06:18] <jussi01> (on karmic)
[06:29] <Quintasan|Szel> hiho
[06:33] <skreech> Hi
[06:33] <skreech> jussi01: Which Koffice package?
[06:34] <jussi01>  kpresenter-data?
[06:34] <jussi01> skreech: read again? :D
[06:35] <skreech> Sorry version
[06:35]  * jussi01 points up....
[06:37] <skreech> !info kpresenter-data karmic
[06:37] <skreech> ok
[06:37] <jussi01> /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb
[07:02] <skreech> Yeah Was just checking on something
[09:10] <Riddelll> yay, DVDs aren't oversized!
[09:12] <Riddelll> ScottK: CDs have language packs on now so that can be shoved about to fix oversizing
[09:12]  * Riddelll does so
[10:20] <agateau> Riddelll: it seems latest Konversation does not have the indicator configuration ui
[10:20] <agateau> Riddelll: can you confirm this on your machine?
[10:33] <Riddelll> agateau: not currently, I'm testing upgrades
[10:33] <agateau> Riddelll: ok
[10:34] <agateau> rebuilding from source seems to bring it back though,
[10:34] <agateau> so maybe it was an issue with the build machine
[11:21] <markey> hi all
[11:21] <markey> since the latest karmic update my sblive sound output seems broken
[11:21] <markey> can't play anything
[11:26] <markey> hm with pulseaudio it works
[12:14] <markey> thanks for including taglib 1.6 and the new taglib-extras :)
[12:14] <markey> works fine with amarok 2.2
[12:25] <Riddelll> agateau: where should I see MI configuration in konversation?  as a separate "tab" in Settings -> Configure Konversation ?
[12:39] <agateau> Riddelll: there should be an item near the osd item in the tree on the left
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: I agree it's not there
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: recompiling does no good either
[12:42] <Riddelll> all the patches are applied though
[12:42] <agateau> strange,
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: what version did you recompile?
[12:43] <agateau> it fixed it here
[12:43] <agateau> 1.2~beta1
[12:44] <Riddelll> agateau: how did you recompile it?  just with debuild?
[12:44] <agateau> Riddell: no, I was getting ready to hack on it,
[12:44] <agateau> so I applied the patches with quilt and build it manually
[12:55] <Riddelll> agateau: I can't get it to appear even doing what you say, quilt manually and compiling by hand
[12:55] <Riddelll> is there some build dep it's missing?
[12:55] <Riddelll> it says --   found indicate-qt, version 0.2.1
[12:56] <agateau> should be good then
[12:56] <agateau> I copied the debian/ dir from bzr, maybe it's fixed there?
[13:01] <jussi01> Real quick question, when something is fixed upstream, should it be marked as fix commited on LP's ubuntu package? or wait till it hits ubuntu?
[13:01] <jussi01> Im asking re: bug 375745
[13:02] <a|wen-dtu> has anyone tested the new kbluetooth? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kbluetooth?content=112110
[13:03] <Riddelll> jussi01: I think ideally it would be linked to an upstream bug and that marked as fix comitted
[13:03] <Riddelll> but you'd need to ask a bug squad type to know
[13:03] <a|wen-dtu> jussi01: i would use "triaged" in that case
[13:04] <Riddelll> a|wen-dtu: we have 0.4~beta1b in the archive, tonio put it there, no idea if it works or if kblueplugd is needed
[13:04] <jussi01> a|wen-dtu: I dont want to step on anyones toes, hence Im asking (I didnt put it like it is, so Im wondering on what the normal course of action is)
[13:06] <a|wen-dtu> Riddell: ahh, cool ... time to test how good things work now, when i get home
[13:08] <Riddelll> a|wen-dtu: do let us know what you find
[13:09] <a|wen-dtu> jussi01: afaics jechidna does it that way, so i've adopted that ... but many teams have different approaches
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddelll: Did you get a chance to look at promoting libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc so kdegraphics can build?
[13:15] <Riddelll> ScottK: oh no, hang on
[13:16] <Riddelll> ScottK: done
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddelll: Thanks.
[13:35] <JontheEchinda> agateau: seen bug 436088? Seems to crash updating the message indicator
[13:36] <JontheEchinda> also, good morning guys :)
[13:36] <agateau> looking at it
[13:36] <a|wen-dtu> morning JontheEchinda
[13:38] <Riddelll> agateau: well it's something to do with 0004-Make-dependency-on-indicate-qt-optional.diff, if I disable that it works
[13:38] <Riddelll> I'll upload it with that disabled for beta
[13:39] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:39] <agateau> will look at this patch more closely
[13:41] <Riddelll> agateau: you said it worked for you so maybe you have a newer version of something (kdelibs, cmake?) than kubuntu karmic does
[13:41] <agateau> Riddelll: don't think so, but will investigate
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddelll: well I'm going to consul to apply for a visa
[13:46] <kjeldahl> Ridelll: Just a quick thank you. After the fixes built and propagated my desktop was operational again this morning.
[13:47] <Quintasan> in worst case I won't use it
[13:48] <Riddelll> Quintasan: where are you based?
[13:49] <Riddelll> kjeldahl: phew
[13:49] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Poland
[13:49]  * kjeldahl grins
[13:50] <Riddelll> agateau: I don't suppose you know of a way to make a kconf_update script run only after another kconf_update script has run?
[13:50] <agateau> Riddelll: you don't suppose well :/
[13:51] <Quintasan> Riddelll: I'm going out, brb
[13:55] <Quintasan|Szel> back :p
[13:56]  * Quintasan|Szel has few packages planned to go into 10.04
[14:01] <agateau> Riddelll: when you have time, I released a new libindicate-qt, which should help KDE applications running on GNOME
[14:01] <agateau> nothing urgent though
[14:02] <Riddelll> agateau: after beta then
[14:05] <agateau> ok
[14:46] <Riddelll> shtylman: any update on bug 424132 ?
[14:48] <Riddelll> yuriy: do you know if apport got fixed?
[14:51] <agateau> Riddelll: new kmail patchset,
[14:51] <agateau> should fix bug 436088
[14:52] <Riddelll> agateau: is this important for beta?
[14:53] <agateau> Riddelll: I think so
[14:53] <Riddelll> ok I'll update
[14:53] <agateau> I could not reproduce unfortunately, but quite a few people reported crash on startup
[14:53] <agateau> was wondering if it was simpler for you to have one big patch, or separate smaller ones?
[14:55] <Riddelll> well smaller ones are nicer until they start overlapping each other
[14:56] <Riddelll> either way is fine though
[14:57] <agateau> I kept them small because I believe it's easier to review for upstream,
[14:57] <agateau> but they overlap a lot
[14:58] <agateau> since I automated a bit the patchset generation, I could easily generate splitted and solid patches at once, if it's useful
[15:01] <Riddelll> I think it's fine as it is with split ones
[15:03] <agateau> ok
[15:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: Around? (if not, disregard)
[15:18] <yuriy> Riddelll: the first part of the fix got applied afaik. still haven't tested if the pyqt problem is fixed
[15:19] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya
[15:22] <ryanakca> nixternal: OK. I'm trying to see if I could get you to give an ack on getting the kubuntu wiki theme onto help.ubuntu.com/community instead of waiting for mdke to show up. Just a sec
[15:23] <nixternal> haha, right... matt is gonna be afk a bit since he lost irc on his server host
[15:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: *twiddles while waiting*, oh, and Re: your GTD blog post... have you tried yokadi ? I'm sure agateau could give you a great marketing speel on it. I like it.
[15:26] <agateau> :)
[15:27] <nixternal> yokadi..that's what that one was called
[15:27] <nixternal> is that the cli one?
[15:27] <nixternal> I remember trying it when it first came out
[15:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: Yes
[15:28] <agateau> doesn't support multiple machines yet :/
[15:28] <nixternal> might have to check it out again...I have been using todo.sh which isn't to shabby
[15:28] <nixternal> agateau: that's fine, as it run it on my server that I am constantly ssh'd into
[15:29] <agateau> give it a try then!
[15:29] <nixternal> though, i really want something i can use my blackberry with as well...and it seems all of the gui apps that will allow that, are just to much
[15:29] <nixternal> though I can ssh into my server with my blackberry too :)
[15:33] <Riddelll> 15:32 < pitti> Riddelll: ubuntu-bug works fine on KNE for me; I get an "ICE default IO handler error" thing on stderr, but it collects info, uploads to LP, opens brwoser
[15:33] <Riddelll> yuriy: ^^
[15:34] <Riddelll> so that's sorted
[15:37] <yuriy> Riddelll: but does the process still hang afterwards?
[15:39] <Riddelll> allow me to cross channel paste that
[15:40] <Riddelll> 15:38 < pitti> hm, it just goes back to the terminal
[15:40] <Riddelll> 15:38 < pitti> as it should
[15:40] <Riddelll> yuriy: any further questions you can ask yourself on #ubuntu-desktop :)
[15:44] <tseliot> is anyone affected by bug #428662 here?
[15:45] <yuriy> Riddelll: well, great then
[15:45] <Riddelll> tseliot: moi
[15:46] <tseliot> Riddelll: can you test the package in my PPA, please? https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+packages
[15:50] <Riddelll> trying
[15:50] <tseliot> thanks
[15:54] <Riddelll> tseliot: it stops X crashing
[15:54] <Riddelll> I don't get back to KDM though, but I think that's another bug
[15:55] <tseliot> Riddelll: do you get a black screen?
[15:55] <Riddelll> black screen with mouse cursor
[15:56] <tseliot> right, I can reproduce the same behaviour here
[15:57] <Riddelll> tseliot: but that's KDE bug I believe, and having fixed the X bug we can start to look at that one
[15:57] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, can you add a comment in the bug report and maybe add a task for kdm, please?
[15:58]  * tseliot agrees that it doesn't look like an X bug
[15:58] <Riddelll> JontheEchinda: do you know the bug number for failing to complete logout?
[15:59] <JontheEchinda> oh! there was one, actually
[15:59] <JontheEchinda> apparently kdm should be trying to restart itself even if X does crash
[16:00] <JontheEchinda> bug 432521
[16:00] <Riddelll> well that's not what I'm looking for,  it doesn't crash now with tseliot's fix :)
[16:01] <JontheEchinda> all others, when investigated, had X crashing and were redirected to -intel
[16:03]  * nixternal notes that with the upstart script he wrote, you can log out successfully
[16:03] <nixternal> Tonio_ can verify that as well
[16:03] <Riddelll> nixternal: did you pass that by keybuk?
[16:03] <nixternal> it is rough and I wanted to pass it by you first
[16:03] <nixternal> it is really just the meat and potatos of the init.d script, just inside an upstart script
[16:04] <nixternal> thing is...i can't remember wth I put it
[16:05]  * nixternal notes grepping #kubuntu-devel for upstart starts in 2006 :/
[16:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I didn't notice any trouble indeed...
[16:05] <Riddelll> tseliot: will you upload this now?
[16:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: any reason for not going with your upstart script by default ?
[16:06] <Riddelll> nixternal: I'm not really the expert on converting init.d to upstart
[16:06] <tseliot> Riddelll: if you're referring to my fix, then yes
[16:06] <Riddelll> tseliot: let me know when it's up and I can approve it
[16:07] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/
[16:07] <nixternal> there it is :)
[16:07] <tseliot> Riddelll: great, thanks, let me attach a debdiff
[16:08] <nixternal> keybuk and I discussed adding some feature to it, but I will have to query him for more info on that, but it does work right now
[16:08] <nixternal> thank god I found that pastebin link, as it was on my desktop which I reformatted yesterday :)
[16:09] <nixternal> I know the author part is incorrect, so that can be moved...I found out you can't leave those tags blank, otherwise the script doesn't work :)
[16:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hmmm... think that the background gradient on the pages should be longer? It fits fully in my browser window... but on long pages, you end up with just a light blue background when you scroll down a window's worth... Maybe make it smoother/more gradual?
[16:10] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is up to you...it doesn't bother me to be honest..but if you can make it prettier, I am always down for that :)
[16:11] <ryanakca> *nod*
[16:11] <ryanakca> Riddelll: The wikitheme is now applied on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ :D
[16:13] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, done
[16:21] <Riddelll> tseliot: uploaded
[16:22] <tseliot> Riddelll: thanks a lot :-)
[16:22] <Riddelll> I think it's you who should be thanked
[16:27] <tseliot> ;)
[16:51] <Riddelll> nixternal: did you find the KDM upstart-ification?
[16:52] <JontheEchinda> he pastebin'd it a few minutes ago
[16:53] <Riddelll> so he did
[17:10]  * rgreening wishes my usb sticjk would start magically working again... stupid hal/devkit/udev/mountall silliness with this Acer 6930...
[17:16] <Riddelll> nixternal: so what do I need to do to get this upstart script working?
[17:16] <Riddelll> I put it in /etc/init/kdm.conf but nothing happens
[17:16] <Riddelll> Tonio_: do you know?
[17:20] <nixternal> Riddelll: you need to add a link for kdm in /etc/init.d/ to point to /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:20] <nixternal> /etc/init.d/kdm -> /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:20] <Riddelll> done that too
[17:20] <nixternal> and yes, /etc/init/kdm.conf
[17:21] <Riddelll> and delete the kdm link in /etc/rc2.d ?
[17:21] <nixternal> I didn't delete that when I tried iirc
[17:23] <nixternal> argh kontact doesn't nothing but crash
[17:23] <Riddelll> nixternal: there was a kdepim upload a couple of hours ago
[17:23]  * nixternal checks
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddelll: you need to create a /etc/init.d/kdm link pointing to /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddelll: then it'll be started and kdm.conf is used
[18:02] <Riddelll> I also need a copy of nixternal's script that hasn't been mangled with windows lineendings by a stupid pastebin
[18:02] <nixternal> Riddelll: you can select the raw version there that removes the lines :)
[18:03] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/plain/
[18:03] <Riddelll> no it still adds Windows line endings
[18:03] <nixternal> even if you save it?
[18:03] <Riddelll> yes
[18:03] <Riddelll> which seems to confuse upstart
[18:03] <nixternal> interesting
[18:03] <Riddelll> almost all pastebins do that, it's very annoying
[18:04] <nixternal> fix it now for you
[18:08] <nixternal> Riddelll: http://www.nixternal.com/files/kdm.conf
[18:09] <rgreening> sed -i 's/^M//g' kdm
[18:09] <rgreening> :)
[18:10] <rgreening> sed is your frined
[18:10] <rgreening> friend even
[18:10] <nixternal> to late :p
[18:11] <rgreening> assuming the CTRL-M is the issue (of course use CTRL+V CTRL+M to make the nice ^M
[18:11] <rgreening> haha
[18:23] <txwikinger_work> dos2unix?
[18:24] <txwikinger_work> in the package tofrodos!
[18:24] <rgreening> what package provides the global keyboard shortcuts? On one system I see Amarok, Chokoq, etc.. on my other, nada... bizarre
[18:25] <txwikinger_work> lo no se
[18:42] <neversfelde> vorian: ping
[19:33] <Riddelll> kdm upstart-ified, let me know of any problems when it appears on the archive mirrors please
[19:42] <rgreening> cool
[19:46] <nixternal> Riddelll: I take it that it worked for you then?
[19:50] <Riddelll> nixternal: after some hackering
[19:51] <nixternal> Riddelll: what kind of hackering?
[20:13] <maco> is kmail super-crashy for anyone else today?
[20:14] <nixternal> maco: yup
[20:14] <rgreening> yeah... me 2
[20:15] <maco> well at least there's solidarity
[20:15] <nixternal> I stopped using it...I was going to play around with it for a while to try a new workflow...needless to say, I have gone back to Mutt..just can't beat Mutt I don't think
[20:23] <maco> nixternal: ouch http://identi.ca/notice/10734152
[20:23] <maco> (also: and so does his theme so ni!)
[20:23] <nixternal> heh, that is a stupid user who hasn't looked at their packaging, nor the patches that came from...umm, well us
[20:23] <nixternal> and some from opensuse as well
[20:24]  * nixternal looks to see if the arch packages still have packaged binaries cuz they couldn't figure out cmake with their silly build system
[20:24] <nixternal> and lets not forget their massive lack of support with chakra and amd64
[20:25] <nixternal> I run Arch here as well
[20:29]  * maco starts CentOS VM....please don't OOM
[20:40] <Riddelll> nixternal: well the invoke-rc.d had to be changed to the upstart command, the old one won't work any more
[20:40] <Riddelll> nixternal: also, poke about QA feedback plasmoid
[20:41] <nixternal> ahh, ok...what's up with qa?
[20:42] <Riddelll> nixternal: No survey available
[20:42] <nixternal> gotcha
[20:45] <nixternal> Riddelll: try now
[20:46] <nixternal> looks like it is working now
[20:47] <Nightrose> maco: ZUI = zooming user interface
[20:48] <Nightrose> so the activities zooming out in plasma
[20:48] <Riddelll> nixternal: great, thanks
[20:49] <maco> Nightrose: oh. the thing that doesnt work.
[20:49] <maco> i set different wallpapers on 2 of 'em
[20:50] <maco> i tried to zoom into a different one...but it always zooms back into the original one....until i rebooted. now its always on either the 3rd or 4th and so my plasmoids are missing :(
[20:50] <maco> 'course, it *could* be because i dont use kwin...though that wouldnt explain it changing activities over reboot
[20:51] <nixternal> maco: cool, now instead of them showing off their packaged binaries, they removed their pkgbuilds from svn so you can't see the packaged binaries :p
[20:51] <nixternal> ie. kdebindings is in shambles there
[20:52] <maco> nixternal: ok mr. pkgr who uses arch, tell 'im that
[20:52] <nixternal> don't need to, they already know..that's why their packagers are cool, their users on the other hand...
[21:17] <Quintasan> wut, stickers? do want
[21:17] <nixternal> ahaha
[21:22] <ScottK> Riddelll: Does this mean logout/login should work now?
[21:24]  * Quintasan takes nixternals stickers
[21:24] <Quintasan> bwaahahah! :P
[22:41] <markey> yo
[22:41] <markey> can we please get rid of PulseAudio?
[22:41] <markey> I'm not amused by its lackluster performance
[22:41] <markey> nor do I need it
[22:41] <markey> my soundcard can do hardware mixing
[22:41] <markey> alas, karmic no longer likes to access it directly
[22:42] <markey> I'd like to access my card directly
[22:45] <ScottK> markey: Kubuntu doesn't use it.
[22:45] <a|wen> markey: just stay away from gnome-apps pulling it in
[22:46] <markey> since the latest karmic updates I can't access the emu10k1 directly
[22:46] <markey> the device is not accessible via phonon
[22:47] <markey> had to install PulseAudio to get any sound
[22:51] <a|wen> hmm, doesn't pulseaudio access the device directly just as you would
[22:52] <Mamarok> markey: gah, stop that playback it's horrible
[22:52] <shtylman> rgreening: working on small screen version/workaround and should have something monday evening :)
[22:54] <markey> a|wen: in theory maybe
[22:55]  * a|wen just hates flash-plugin blocking his phonon
[23:03] <Riddelll> ScottK: well it should but it gets stuck for me which I think is another bug we've had for a while in karmic but I couldn't recreate it because it always crashed
[23:13] <yuriy> gwenview can't save as gif? huh?
[23:17] <Riddelll> whyever would you want to?
[23:27] <yuriy> because that's what the source image happened to be
[23:46] <ScottK> Riddelll: Any objection if I go ahead and put KDE4.2.4 in Jaunty Backports over the weekend?
[23:46] <nixternal> ScottK: how does Ubuntu do the GNOME releases? are they going to backport 2.28 or will they just release it in a PPA for <Karmic?
[23:47] <ScottK> nixternal: They don't bother except for LTS releases.
[23:47] <ScottK> We do a lot more post-release stuff than they do.
[23:47] <nixternal> so if I am using Jaunty, I am stuck with 2.26 then?
[23:47] <nixternal> unless I update to Karmic of course
[23:48] <nixternal> ya, they don't push major releases at all according to lp
[23:48] <nixternal> so I think what you proposed is good then
[23:49] <nixternal> do we support bug reports and what not for the PPA?
[23:50] <nixternal> if not, I think we should disable bug reporting in KDE apps that we serve out of the PPAs
[23:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Maybe those packages should report to b.k.o.
[23:53] <nixternal> I don't think they should...before people were filling up b.k.o with bad reports
[23:54] <ScottK> With the new requirement to report through ubuntu-bug, they won't be able to file reports anyway.
[23:59] <nixternal> true