[00:00] <petafile> How stable would you classify the alpha6 release?  Would there be a big difference for me if I wait until the beta?
[00:00] <penguin42> petafile: Depends, for some people alpha6 is working great, for some (e.g. _iTroll) bad things are happening; less bad things will probably happen in Beta
[00:02] <penguin42> _iTroll: grep out the lines with EE in the Xlog - and then google for those; my guess is for some reason some modules haven't loaded - but given there don't seem to be errors in the dmesg I'm not sure why
[00:02] <_iTroll> penguin42: i was about to say that I don't think the modules are loading on boot
[00:02] <DanaG> ugh, stupid ubuntu.... removes the logout and shutdown items from the System menu.
[00:03] <DanaG> So, now there's no keyboard-accessible way to log out.
[00:03] <penguin42> _iTroll: You could try loading the i915, drm and intel_agp modules and see what happens
[00:04] <penguin42> DanaG: C+A+D seems to have been bound to log out
[00:04] <_iTroll> penguin42: those modules are not present on boot, i tried earlier with no success, but i clear dmesg try again and post the results
[00:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/346907
[00:05] <penguin42> _iTroll: I'd just try modprobe
[00:05] <_iTroll> penguin42: do they need to be loaded in a certain order?
[00:05] <penguin42> _iTroll: Not sure, for me it's intel_agp, then drm them i915
[00:06] <petafile> Is fakeraid supported in the normal installer now?  It wasn't in Jaunty
[00:06] <_iTroll> penguin42: all loaded, should i try sudo service gdm start?
[00:08] <penguin42> _iTroll: Well, I'd check dmesg and then yeh try gdm
[00:09] <_iTroll> new Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/f7b8a0306
[00:10] <_iTroll> dmesg covering module loads of intel-agp, drm and i915 at http://pastebin.com/f12016394
[00:10] <_iTroll> penguin42: ^^^^^
[00:11] <penguin42> _iTroll: Hmm less errors - I'm worried why you needed to load them manually
[00:12] <_iTroll> penguin42: no idea, it was working on fresh install
[00:12] <penguin42> _iTroll: Do you have a /dev/dri  and is there anything in it? Mine has a 'card0' in and a controlD64
[00:13] <_iTroll> penguin42: no! definitely dont have one of those
[00:13] <penguin42> _iTroll: Hmmmm!
[00:13] <penguin42> _iTroll: Does /dev/dri exist at all?
[00:13] <_iTroll> penguin42: no!
[00:13] <darkham> do you like gnome 28?
[00:14] <_iTroll> what is /dev/dri for?
[00:14] <penguin42> _iTroll: dri is the direct rendering infrastructure - it lets X frob the card quickly
[00:14] <_iTroll> penguin42: i see, the kernel looks after that right?
[00:15] <penguin42> _iTroll: Yep; well udev should take care of it for the kernel
[00:16] <BUGabundo> friends
[00:17] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-3.png
[00:17] <BUGabundo> anyone here who wants to compile a kernel with BFS?
[00:17] <DanaG> ugly nm-applet.
[00:17] <BUGabundo> the heart shape DanaG?
[00:17] <DanaG> yeah, and the horrid proportions.
[00:17] <_iTroll> penguin42: look like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195101
[00:17] <BUGabundo> yeah it sucls
[00:17] <DanaG> And seeing the current network in two places.
[00:18] <penguin42> _iTroll: Yes, but that was ages ago - and 945GM works here - although as I say I last updated yesterday or the day before
[00:19] <_iTroll> penguin42: i am up to date, having problem for about 1 week, i think it might have been connected to changing display settings when connecting to an external monitor
[00:20] <penguin42> weird - what did you do?
[00:21] <DanaG> ugh, somebody beat the gnome networkmanager applet with the Ugly stick.
[00:21] <DanaG> anyway, gotta' go for now.
[00:22] <_iTroll> penguin42: just connected an external monitor, did a bit of messing relative positioning of the desktops, may or may not be related not sure
[00:22] <penguin42> _iTroll: It's odd for it to do that
[00:27] <_iTroll> penguin42: glxinfo say "unable to open display"
[00:27] <puddles> i don't see what's so bad with network manager
[00:28] <penguin42> _iTroll: That's odd as well - I'm not sure what's going on with your system
[00:28] <penguin42> puddles: The new square icon people dislike
[00:29] <puddles> penguin42: i must not have seen the new square icon ... what does it look like?  i just see the bars
[00:30] <_iTroll> penguin42: udev should be running right?
[00:30] <penguin42> bars? For a wired network it looks like an rj45 socket and a cable - ish
[00:30] <penguin42> _iTroll: Yes
[00:30] <puddles> ah, right, not used rj45 in quite some time :-)
[00:30] <_iTroll> penguin42: restart udev gave "restart: Unknown instance"
[00:31] <puddles> _iTroll: what's the problem?
[00:31] <_iTroll> penguin42: i mean, i dont think it was running
[00:32] <penguin42> oh, well I don't think that would help
[00:32] <mezquitale> if I install karmic alpha6 on my desktop will I be able to upgrade to the official karmic release once it is released??
[00:34] <puddles> nobody is in #ubuntu-arm right now so i thought i might ask here.  does anybody know redboot?  how do i make it boot from usb or sd?  (no, i don't have the serial / jtag debug board)
[00:36] <thiebaude> anyone having a problem upgrading to 9.10
[00:36] <thiebaude> ?
[00:39] <_iTroll> penguin42: did you say you had an i945?
[00:39] <penguin42> _iTroll: Yes
[00:39] <_iTroll> penguin42: whats in you initramfs modules?
[00:39] <penguin42> _iTroll: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:40] <penguin42> _iTroll: Hmm, how do I find that out?
[00:40] <_iTroll> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[00:40] <_iTroll> im grasping at straws
[00:41] <penguin42> _iTroll: Nothing commented in
[00:41] <_iTroll> penguin42: whats in /etc/moules?
[00:41] <_iTroll> module
[00:41] <_iTroll> s
[00:41] <penguin42> nothing video
[00:41] <_iTroll> bollocks
[00:42] <penguin42> _iTroll: Do you have an /etc/init and what files do you have with udev in - I hafve udev.conf, udev-finish.conf, udevmonitor.conf, udevtrigger.conf, upstart-udev-bridge.conf
[00:43] <DanaG> Is it normal to have the boot process be text-mode up until xsplash?
[00:44] <_iTroll> penguine42: huh, i have everything apart from upstart-udev-bridge.conf
[00:44] <_iTroll> penguin42: ^
[00:44] <_iTroll> penguin42: what package provides it?
[00:45] <penguin42> _iTroll: upstart apparently
[00:45] <ripps> How do I enabled timed-login with gdm-2.28?
[00:46] <_iTroll> penguin42: hmmmm, reconfigure upstart?
[00:46] <penguin42> _iTroll: Do you have the upstart package?
[00:47] <_iTroll> penguin42: wtf apparently i dont
[00:47] <_iTroll> i thought it was part of base
[00:48] <_iTroll> penguin42: another clue.... /dev/pts and /dev/shm do not exist
[00:48] <penguin42> _iTroll: htf did you manage that?
[00:48] <penguin42> _iTroll: Ah! I've seen other people who were missing those!
[00:48] <_iTroll> penguin42: i have no effin clue
[00:48] <penguin42> Is something missing a dependency on upstart?
[00:50] <_iTroll> penguin42: upstart installed, going to try a reboot
[00:56] <cdm10> I've noticed that the killing off of usplash has left there no progress indicator in the livecd load process... what package should I report this in? I believe it to be a problem.
[00:57] <_iTroll> penguin42: Success!!!
[00:57] <penguin42> _iTroll: Great!
[00:58] <_iTroll> penguin42: thank you very much. wtf happened to upstart?
[00:58] <penguin42> _iTroll: Please file a bug report on that; I've seen multiple people say they didn't have /dev/pts and I'm not sure if there is a separate bug
[00:58] <penguin42> _iTroll: I'm not sure what I'd fire it on, I guess upstart is as good as anything
[00:58] <_iTroll> penguin42: I'll check it out
[00:59] <_iTroll> apparently networkmanager is not running now.... lol
[01:03] <mezquitale> if I install karmic alpha6 on my desktop will I be able to upgrade to the official karmic release once it is released??
[01:03] <penguin42> yes
[01:04] <penguin42> with the proviso that being an alpha anything could be broken, including something relating to upgrading
[01:04] <DanaG> I have no usplash at all.
[01:04] <DanaG> Just a text-mode boot.
[01:07] <virtuald> I used an undocumented variable in I think initramfs.conf to get my usplash back
[01:08] <virtuald> Think it was USPLASH=y
[01:09] <mezquitale> penguin42, i'm willing to take the risk, first I'll upgrade jaunty to grub2 and then i'll set up dual boot with alpha 6 karmic
[01:09]  * penguin42 hasn't upgraded to grub2 yet, but running karmic ok
[01:09] <virtuald> Appropå ingenting as I say
[01:10] <test34> Should I need to use alsactl store/restore to save my sound settings?  If I don't do that, my sound it muted when I reboot
[01:10] <virtuald> I have grub2 but not ext4 yet
[01:11] <test34> anyway to access ext4 from Windows ?
[01:11] <Kyral> Not as far as I know...ext3 access was shaky last I knew
[01:12] <shakall69> hi there - finally manage to upgrade to karmic :D
[01:12] <shakall69> but still having problems with network manager
[01:12] <test34> I thought you could use ext2 driver to access ext3
[01:13] <test34> shakall69, what exactly
[01:13] <shakall69> i cannot create a dsl conection in network manager
[01:14] <_iTroll> open question: netbooks, which lightweight desktop environment and why?
[01:14] <shakall69> i think this is because i used pppoeconf
[01:14] <Kyral> Fluxbox
[01:14] <shakall69> i use karmic on dell inspiron 1525
[01:14] <Kyral> Quick, light, customizable
[01:14] <mezquitale> shakall69, install Network Manger 0.7.996
[01:14] <Kyral> can use WM DockApps
[01:15] <shakall69> got that version allready installed
[01:15] <_iTroll> Kyral: fluxbox, i cant be arsed learning how to configure it, is there anywhere i can get example configs?
[01:16] <Kyral> _iTroll: The config files there are pretty much good samples. Just copy
[01:16] <Kyral> _iTroll: Or use fluxconf
[01:16] <Kyral> everything is in ~/.fluxbox
[01:17] <_iTroll> Kyral: installing now
[01:17] <_iTroll> Kyral: ever try openbox?
[01:17] <Kyral> _iTroll: Yah, I just prefer Fluxbox, but they are pretty similar
[01:17] <Kyral> IMO, Flux's configuration files are easier to understand
[01:17] <_iTroll> Kyral: Do you remove any Gnome stuff?
[01:18] <Kyral> _iTroll: I run KDE right now
[01:18] <Kyral> _iTroll: But when I'm on battery I switch over to Fluxbox to minimize processes running
[01:18] <_iTroll> Kyral: ah i see
[01:19] <Kyral> or when I'm running a massive VM that wants 75% of my memory :)
[01:19] <_iTroll> Kyral: ahh i forgot there is no mouse copy/paste in fluxbox!
[01:19] <Kyral> lol
[01:20] <_iTroll> Kyral: whats the drill?
[01:20] <Kyral> I believe there is a clipboard daemon you can run if you wish
[01:21] <Kyral> or do you mean the drill for configuring Flux?
[01:23] <_iTroll> Kyral: i meant copy paste, but i figured it out. how do you manage wireless networks in flux?
[01:23] <Kyral> _iTroll: wicd
[01:23] <_iTroll> Kryal: cool
[01:23] <Kyral> or the manual iwconfig
[01:24] <Kyral> Actually replaces NetworkManager, I prefer it
[01:24] <_iTroll> Kyral: manual.... lol
[01:24] <_iTroll> Kyral: I thought those days were behind me
[01:24] <Kyral> _iTroll: I love it :)
[01:25] <_iTroll> Kyral: im only messing anyway, i do some apps on openwrt
[01:25] <Kyral> niiice
[01:26] <_iTroll> Kyral: I'm a little ashamed that i didnt know about wicd.... NetworkManager has made me forget
[01:27] <Kyral> I didn't know about it until I googled Network in Flux :)
[01:27] <_iTroll> Kyral:  You know what app I am loving on the netbook lately, midori
[01:27] <Kyral> never heard of Midori
[01:28] <Kyral> Ah yes...now I think I heard of it
[01:28] <Kyral> I've grown too used to my Firefox Extensions I'm afraid.. >_<
[01:29] <_iTroll> Kyral: I know what you mean, but it is lightning fast, nice if you just need to check a phone number or map or something
[01:29] <Kyral> So Karmic is running great, but has anyone been able to get the NVidia drivers installed and activated?
[01:31] <Kyral> _iTroll: I would install it, but it seems like it loves the GNOME stuff, and I'm trying to stick to the KDE stuff
[01:31] <wastrel> gnome
[01:32] <Kyral> wastrel: ?
[01:34] <wastrel> i have nvidia on my one
[01:34] <wastrel> i used the restricted driver manager thingy
[01:34] <Kyral> wastrel: KDE's isn't exactly working :)
[01:34] <Kyral> Click Activate and nada
[01:35] <Kyral> hmm that's odd
[01:35] <Kyral> brb
[01:36] <crashsystems> Anyone aware of a bug in nm-applet that causes it to crash when clicked on?
[01:37] <durt> hey folks, I haven't had any logging in syslog, messages, kern.log, daemon.log since the 15th, not finding any related open bugs on rsyslog, anyone else see this?
[01:37] <wastrel> crashsystems: mine was dying looking for a library
[01:37] <crashsystems> wastrel: I was having that bug earlier today, but an update fixed it
[01:38] <crashsystems> wastrel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/277519/
[01:38] <crashsystems> I could get no further than that in the backtrace, because causing nm-applet to crash while running a backtrace very reliably causes X to freeze on me, forcing me to have to switch to tty1 and kill gdm.
[01:40] <kyral> that didn't work...
[01:40] <crashsystems> nm-applet assert failure: ERROR:applet.c:537:applet_menu_add_items_top_and_folder_sorted_helper: assertion failed: (items)
[01:42] <Kyral> When I activated, I got 6 small screens
[01:42] <Kyral> tiled
[01:43] <Kyral> All duplicates of the others
[01:43] <wastrel> Kyral: http://paste.ubuntu.com/277519/
[01:43] <Kyral> ?
[01:43] <wastrel> crashsystems: my nm-applet does not crash when clicked
[01:43] <crashsystems> ok, I'm having bug #436061. I assume the fact that X freezes when this bug happens during a backtrace is a separate bug.
[01:44] <wastrel> packages to install yes?  for your nvidia
[01:44] <Kyral> wastrel: that was trhe crash report
[01:44] <wastrel> oopsy
[01:44] <wastrel> http://pastie.org/629817
[01:44] <wastrel> wrong tab
[01:44] <Kyral> yup, 185
[01:45] <Kyral> all relevent packages installed
[01:45] <Kyral> Used EnvyNG to install this time, lets see if it works
[01:46] <crashsystems> When X freezes, the mouse moving but nothing else responsive, is that a "crash," or is there a more accurate name for it?
[01:47] <Kyral> and same issue
[01:47] <swoody> can someone here with Karmic pastebin their sources.list for me?
[01:47] <swoody> I want to make sure mine's correct
[01:48] <crashsystems> swoody: http://paste2.org/p/436160
[01:48] <crashsystems> oops, gnome-do fail
[01:48] <swoody> haha
[01:48] <swoody> that's not what mine looks like at all ;)
[01:49] <crashsystems> here you go swoody: http://paste.ubuntu.com/277524/
[01:49] <swoody> thanks crashsystems :)
[01:49] <Kyral> yanno what...NVidia might not even support this card on 64bit Linux yet
[01:52] <Kyral> Ah...time to go Beta Mode
[01:52] <durt> anybody want to take a look at 'tail /var/log/syslog' and tell me if logging is working for you/and which alpha you started with?
[01:53] <test34> are the bluetooth headsets working with karmic ?
[01:53] <swoody> crashsystems, heh, thanks again. For some reason, my sources.list is showing karmic-backports enabled :)
[01:53] <swoody> don't think I'll need those for a little while ;)
[01:53] <Kyral> durt: 'tis working, just jumped to Devel yesterday
[01:53] <crashsystems> yw
[01:54] <durt> Kyral, thx, sumpin ain't right fer me :C
[01:54] <test34> durt, it is working for me.. I probably started using karmic around alpha 5
[01:56] <durt> I've been using KK since 2 or 3 but syslog has stopped at 11:28 on the 15th of this month
[01:57] <_iTroll> Kyral: wicd on fluxbox, epically failing so far.... after install, what do I actually run?
[01:57] <test34> durt, 15th is close to the date I started using it so maybe I started using it after that
[01:57] <Kyral> _iTroll: start it up with /etc/init.d/wicd start (sudo of course) if it isn't already going
[01:57] <Kyral> _iTroll: Then fire up the client with wicd-client
[01:58] <durt> could be, looking at a bug possibly related...
[01:58] <Kyral> okay stupid question
[01:59] <Kyral> what are the ppa repos?
[01:59] <_iTroll> Kryal: Haha! didnt know what was going on, wicd-client was starting up in the tray... I didnt know what was happening
[02:00] <Kyral> :)
[02:00] <_iTroll> Kyral: do you need to autostart the client in fluxbox conf?
[02:00] <Kyral> _iTroll: yah. Just put it into ~/.fluxbox startup
[02:00] <Kyral> _iTroll: Anything you want starting up with Fluxbox (like WM Dockapps) put in there and make sure they background themselves
[02:01] <wastrel> my compiz crashed
[02:01] <_iTroll> Kyral: cool, in ./fluxbox/startup?
[02:01] <_iTroll> Kyral: cool, in .fluxbox/startup?
[02:01] <Kyral> _iTroll: Yup, it's commented out so it's pretty easy
[02:04] <_iTroll> Kyral: Great success!
[02:05] <_iTroll> Kyral: battery monitor and power management in fluxbox?
[02:06] <Kyral> _iTroll: Power Management is still handled behidn the scenes with whayever is there (laptop-mode IIRC)
[02:06] <Kyral> but for a monitor install wmbattery and have it start on launch
[02:06] <_iTroll> Kyral: ok cool, do you use fbdesk?
[02:06] <Kyral> what is that? :P
[02:07] <_iTroll> icons on the desktop apparently
[02:07] <Kyral> Ah nope
[02:07] <Kyral> I don't really like icons on the desktop
[02:07] <Kyral> (KDE's folder view Plasmoid being the exception)
[02:08] <_iTroll> Kyral: any other fluxbox stuff you recommend?  (I am learning a lot tonight)
[02:08] <Kyral> eh not really,
[02:09] <Kyral> wmmixer is ncie
[02:09] <_iTroll> which is
[02:09] <_iTroll> ?
[02:09] <Kyral> but make sure you start it with the -w switch
[02:09] <Kyral> volume control
[02:09] <_iTroll> nice
[02:09] <Kyral> okay...now I feel old
[02:09] <Kyral> My old NickServ registration expired
[02:10] <_iTroll> ouch
[02:11] <Kyral> Then again the last time I regulary came on IRC was around the Dapper era so
[02:12] <Kyral> oh a nice little trick with Fluxbox
[02:12] <Kyral> if you change the configs and want to apply, just use the restart option in the menu
[02:12] <_iTroll> cool
[02:12] <Kyral> restarts "in place" without disrupting the running apps
[02:13] <_iTroll> thats very nice!
[02:13] <_iTroll> gnome could do with that
[02:16] <Kyral> Could someone with the NVidia driver going paste their XOrg.conf?
[02:26] <kyral> Ah well, it seems that the NVidia driver just doesn't work on my system
[02:27] <kyral> Indeed the notes say that my card isn't even supported
[02:27] <_iTroll> Kyral: dude, thanks for help. Good night!
[02:27] <swoody> Karmic updates just killed my laptop touchpad. It works fine on the login screen, but once I login it won't work. Any ideas?
[02:28] <swoody> also, if I plug in a USB mouse, the USB mouse works fine
[02:28] <kyral> _iTroll: No probs, who know when I shall return :)
[02:31] <BCM43> Hey, can someone explain this: http://imgur.com/wpXeX.png It happens when trying to install Amazon MP3 Downloader
[02:31] <BCM43> from .deb
[02:34] <wastrel> are you running koala
[02:34] <wastrel> is the .deb for ubuntu?  is it for koala?
[03:38] <dereks> is anyone else having issues with karmic and sound? i can't get it to play sound anymore
[03:42] <wastrel> mine is clicking at me
[03:42] <wastrel> it clicks every so often
[03:42] <wastrel> i told it "quit the clicking" but it didn't listen
[03:45] <dereks> at least you get sound
[03:46] <DanaG> interesting... the new usplash still drops back to text upon the fsck stage.
[03:54] <edgy> DanaG: yes, why do I need to fsck sometimds before getting the GUI?
[03:58] <NoelJB> edgy, which file system for / ?  are you not getting a clean shutdown?
[04:01] <test34> for sound, the command "pulseaudio -k" fixes it sometimes
[04:07] <dereks> test34: aww
[04:07] <dereks> didn't work here
[04:08] <test34> sometimes uninstalling pulseaudio also fix audio problems
[04:09] <dereks> Sep 24 23:02:58 style pulseaudio[2357]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-x11-xsmp" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[04:09] <dereks> i am guessing thats my problem
[04:09] <dereks> going to google :)
[04:10] <test34> pulseaudio is not usually needed for audio (alsa is enough)
[04:10] <test34> alsa is much more stable
[04:10] <test34> (by itself)
[04:11] <dereks> test34: i know, i want to get pulse working though :)
[04:12] <test34> dereks, might be impossible without fixing pulseaudio's code
[04:12] <test34> if you do, please share the fix
[04:14] <dereks> test34: hehe yeah
[04:16] <oldude67> ok is pulseaudio messed up again? i have no sound again..arggg
[04:19] <dereks> oldude67: i got it working just now, killed pulseaudio and did an /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:19] <dereks> not sure why it worked
[04:19] <dereks> but it did :)
[04:19] <oldude67> ok ill try it.thanks
[04:21] <test34> killing pulseaudio is always a good thing
[04:29] <DanaG> Unable to set data link type (EN10MB is not one of the DLTs supported by this device)
[04:37] <edgy> NoelJB: the /
[04:46] <webbb82> im trying to install google gaDGETS BUT I GET THIS ERROR Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2)
[04:47] <webbb82> but if i try to install the dependencey i get a conflict with pulse audio
[04:57] <webbb82> i got google gadgets installed but it keeps crashing rite after i open it  , is this  a karmic issue ot google issue
[05:06] <ripps> why does gdm look so different from the xsplash, can't the gdm wallpaper be switched to look like xsplash
[05:06] <DanaG> yeah, but that would be too easy, and make too much sense.  =þ
[05:08] <Shinka> It might be a stupid question, but as Ubuntu 9.10 use a new filesystem, will I need to reinstall everything ? (at least to get the new ext4 filesystem)
[05:10] <ripps> Shinka: well, for 4 months ext4 has worked fine for me, except yesterday, my root partition crapped out on me...
[05:11] <ripps> Shinka: you can upgrade ext3 to ext4, but if you want to get any real performance gain, you'd better format the filesystem from scratch
[05:11] <Shinka> ripps: ok thanks
[05:17] <mariosk8s> hi every body, is this a good place to ask about kubuntu karmic issues?
[05:20] <durt> mariosk8s, if you mean kubuntu 9.10 then yes.
[05:21] <mariosk8s> durt, yes with emphasis on the "K"
[05:25] <DanaG> aubuntu bubuntu cubuntu dubuntu eubuntu fubuntu gubuntu hubuntu iubuntu jubuntu kubuntu lubuntu mubuntu nubuntu oubuntu pubuntu qubuntu rubuntu subuntu tubuntu uubuntu vubuntu wubuntu xubuntu yubuntu zubuntu
[05:25] <DanaG> sorry, I was feeling random.
[05:27] <virtuald> One cubuntu please. And maybe a dubuntu too
[05:28] <oorah> how do i upgrade to alpha 6?
[05:29] <oorah> i tried fn 2 it starts to do stuff then disappears then i try again and it says somethin about another process using it?
[05:29] <oorah> anyone here?
[05:30] <oorah> imeant alt 2
[05:30] <oorah> sorry
[05:30] <oorah> alt f2
[05:43] <android60> I am having a problem with karmic server not mounting disks in /etc/fstab on boot
[05:43] <android60> I have 2 xfs drives that are not being mounted, if i do sudo mount /dev/sda1 etc then they mount without error
[05:45] <kruykaze> how do i upgrade to karmic and keep my apps installed?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> kruykaze: Read the alpha 6 release notes, and note that you won't get support for karmic when it breaks.
[05:47] <DanaG> or rather, won't get support besides here and in the forums.
[05:47] <kruykaze> I am not planning on installing karmic until official release
[05:47] <DanaG> People will still try to help, though.
[05:47] <virtuald> Make a backup then do-release-upgrade -d
[05:48] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I am not sure I would call this a support channel, more of a channel to help people with testing
[05:49] <kruykaze> virtuald, I usually have problems upgrading that way so I use the cd and format / but keep /home
[05:50] <virtuald> Ok I've never done it that way
[05:50] <kruykaze> ok thanks :)
[06:00] <DanaG> new nm-applet menu is fugly.
[06:00] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8003567#post8003567
[06:03] <DanaG> gaack, somebody beat it with the Ugly Stick.
[06:04] <virtuald> :) can't check now
[06:16]  * DanaG tries to connect to the "Disconnect" network.
[06:16] <oldude67> hey why would i have sound on the kde desktop and not the lxde desktop?
[06:17] <DanaG> g_once_init_leave: assertion `initialization_value != 0' failed
[06:18] <oldude67> ok brb going to log into the lxde desktop again...this is really weird.:(
[06:22] <DanaG> odd.... the bluetooth icon doesn't take on the correct theme.
[06:23] <oldude67> ok this is weird now i have sound with lxde desktop...ugh pulseaudio is so buggy.
[06:24] <DanaG> it seems Humanity doesn't have the bluetooth icon.
[06:31] <Eevee> alright so: I installed karmic alpha 6 on an acer aspire 1410, wiping the drive and partitioning it into / (ext4), swap, and /home (ext4).  install finished fine, but it fails to boot with 'ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid> does not exist.'  but the uuid is correct, and the link in by-uuid *does* exist according to the initramfs shell I'm dropped to
[06:32] <Eevee> if I add a very long rootdelay (>30, 90 works) or wait and then 'exit' from busybox, init complains that libc.so.6 has an invalid ELF header, and then the kernel panics
[06:49] <mac_v> !schedule
[06:57] <MasterofPuppets> Any karmic experts willing to help a newbie out? Most of my processes are listed in sysmonitor as "poll_schedule_timeout" under Waiting Channel
[07:02] <Jordan_U> MasterofPuppets: Given the way you "upgraded" the first thing I would check is that the upgrade is complete
[07:02] <Jordan_U> MasterofPuppets: What do you get when you run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[07:03] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: Alt F2 for terminal, right
[07:03] <MasterofPuppets> (I always used the AWN terminal so I don't know the hotkey)
[07:04] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Alt + F2 launches the runner
[07:04] <Jordan_U> MasterofPuppets: There isn't a hotkey for starting gnome-terminal, alt+f2 will get you a run dialog
[07:04] <Jordan_U> MasterofPuppets: Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[07:04] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: One second, rebooting, keyboard went wonky
[07:05] <MasterofPuppets> I'm pretty sure Sony does everything in their power to make any OS other than Windows fail on their products...
[07:06] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: Funny thing is, it just rebooted and it's working now, but I know it will break on next reboot
[07:06] <leaf-sheep> Greets.  I wanted to know if Ubuntu-Mobile will be supported in Karmic since I haven't seen anything for Karmic lately in PPA.
[07:07] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: 28 packages for install
[07:08] <Jordan_U> MasterofPuppets: Install them
[07:08] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: Kk, doing so
[07:10] <MasterofPuppets> Jordan_U: Installed
[07:13] <bullgard4> dmesg includes a line "modified physical RAM map:" followed by 17 memory map lines which start with "modified:" Is this normal in Ubuntu 9.10?
[07:17] <MasterofPuppets> Anyone know how to partition a drive in karmic?
[07:21] <James147> MasterofPuppets: fdisk for command line or you can install partitionmanager
[07:21] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I was told to use gparted
[07:21] <MasterofPuppets> But it's not letting me make a new one
[07:22] <MasterofPuppets> Which one do you recommend? And sudo apt-get install partitionmanager, I assume?
[07:22] <James147> MasterofPuppets: I tend to use fdisk, but it is command line so can be harder to use at first. try partitionmanager if gparted isent working
[07:22] <MasterofPuppets> Kk, is that the command line?
[07:23] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Also, I would recomend not useing them on an installed system, but from a live cd instead
[07:23] <MasterofPuppets> How would I make the live CD?
[07:24] <James147> MasterofPuppets: partitionmanager is gui for kde
[07:24] <MasterofPuppets> How do I know if I'm using KDE
[07:24] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Download the iso and burn it to a cd (at low speed for best results) or you can use usb-creator to install it to a usb flash drive
[07:24] <MasterofPuppets> 'cuz I've heard differences between gnome, KDe, something like that (<-- complete newbie)
[07:25] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Gnome has a panel at the top and bottem of the screen, kde by default only has one at the bottom :)
[07:25] <James147> MasterofPuppets: But you can run kde applications in gnome and gnome in kde
[07:25] <MasterofPuppets> James147: Oh, ok lol
[07:26] <MasterofPuppets> James147: So say I burn partitionmanager to a flash drive
[07:26] <MasterofPuppets> Then what?
[07:26] <James147> MasterofPuppets: you dont burn to a flash drive :)
[07:27] <MasterofPuppets> Transfer, whatever :P
[07:27] <MasterofPuppets> Or am I partitioning it onto the drive
[07:28] <James147> MasterofPuppets: once you have created a livecd or usb just reboot and seletct ithe flash drive when you boot (may need to configure teh bios to boot from other drives)
[07:28] <James147> MasterofPuppets: how did you install ubuntu in the first place?
[07:28] <MasterofPuppets> James147: CD
[07:29] <James147> MasterofPuppets: useing the desktop or alternitive image?
[07:31] <James147> MasterofPuppets: You can probally use that cd, if its the desktop edition then it should already contain a live usb
[07:31] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I dunno what image it is, lol
[07:31] <MasterofPuppets> Vista wouldn't boot so I put it in and it let me install
[07:31] <MasterofPuppets> >_<
[07:31] <MasterofPuppets> Gosh I feel dumb
[07:32] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Most likly its the dsektop, did it give you a desktop when you booted from it?
[07:32] <MasterofPuppets> Yeah
[07:32] <oorah> how come the internet manager icon is missing at the top right?
[07:32] <James147> MasterofPuppets: then its a live cd
[07:32] <oorah> its connected fine now but what if i wanna go wireless? then what?
[07:33] <James147> MasterofPuppets: You should be able to boot from that again and use it to edit your partitions
[07:33] <James147> MasterofPuppets: useing the above mentions tools
[07:34] <MasterofPuppets> James147: That was Jaunty, though, I'm on karmic now
[07:34] <MasterofPuppets> Will that affect anything?
[07:34] <James147> MasterofPuppets: It dosent matter, if you just editing partitions then you can use either
[07:34] <James147> MasterofPuppets: just dont use the install option :)
[07:35] <MasterofPuppets> Well, time to dig up the disk
[07:35] <MasterofPuppets> One second
[07:35] <oorah> its connected fine now but what if i wanna go wireless? then what?
[07:35] <oorah> i mean about the internet manager that use to be at the top
[07:35] <oorah> how come there is no internet manager icon?
[07:36] <oorah> anyone?
[07:36] <James147> oorah: is nm-applet running?
[07:36] <oorah> James147, whats that?
[07:37] <James147> oorah: network manager applet for gnome
[07:37] <oorah> James147, i don't see it at the top
[07:37] <James147> oorah: think its still used in karmic, try running it
[07:37] <oorah> James147, how do i add it?
[07:38] <James147> oorah: alt + F2 then type nm-applet and hit enter
[07:39] <oorah> James147, it came to the top, was grayed out, then closed unexpectedly
[07:39] <oorah> its an error
[07:39] <James147> oorah: run it in a terminal window and see what it says
[07:39] <eagles0513875> morning
[07:39] <oorah> nm-applet
[07:39] <oorah> ** (nm-applet:2360): DEBUG: applet_common_device_state_changed
[07:39] <oorah> ** (nm-applet:2360): DEBUG: applet_common_device_state_changed
[07:39] <oorah> ** (nm-applet:2360): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[07:39] <oorah> ^C** Message: Caught signal 2, shutting down...
[07:40] <James147> !pastebin | oorah
[07:40] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I've got 5 options
[07:40] <James147> MasterofPuppets: they are?
[07:40] <MasterofPuppets> Try Ubuntu, Install Ubuntu, Check disc for defects, test memory, boot from first hard disk
[07:40] <oorah> James147, any ideas? is this just an alpha bug?
[07:40] <MasterofPuppets> F6 is for more options
[07:40] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Try Ubuntu will launch the livecd
[07:41] <MasterofPuppets> Ok, so try ubuntu then?
[07:41] <James147> MasterofPuppets: aye
[07:41] <oorah> James147, any ideas? is this just an alpha bug?
[07:42] <oorah> James147, did you see my messages?
[07:42] <James147> oorah: not sure, you could try reinstalling it, but becareful you can lose easy access to teh internet if you do or reboot
[07:42] <oorah> reinstall what?
[07:43] <James147> nm-applet
[07:43] <oorah> James147, sudo apt-get install nm-applet?
[07:43] <oorah> James147, didn't work
[07:44] <MasterofPuppets> James147: A bar on top, a bar on bottom, default background - it's booted :) Now what?
[07:44] <James147> oorah: sudo aptitude reinstall nm-applet  - but be careful, I had had problem in the past where I lost my connection doing similar things :)
[07:44] <oorah> thanks
[07:44] <James147> MasterofPuppets: see if gparted is installed
[07:44] <James147> MasterofPuppets: If not install it
[07:45] <MasterofPuppets> James147: Partitioneditor is
[07:45] <James147> MasterofPuppets: then use that :)
[07:45] <MasterofPuppets> James147: Is one better than the other?
[07:45] <MasterofPuppets> 'cuz I can install it if necessary
[07:46] <James147> MasterofPuppets: I dont know of any technical differences between them, so its mostly down to taste, I use partitionmanager as its a kde app :)
[07:46] <MasterofPuppets> James147: Ok, in partition editor. Have three partitions showing; sda1, sda2 and sda5. Where do I go from here?
[07:46] <oorah> James147, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m8d8527c
[07:46] <James147> MasterofPuppets: What do you want to do with them?
[07:46] <oorah> pastebin James147
[07:47] <James147> oorah: n
[07:47] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I'd like to split off a partition, say, 5 gigs worth, and use it to store valuable data in. Do I right click the largest partition and click resize?
[07:48] <James147> oorah: reinstall network-manager-gnome and network-manager
[07:48] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Yes
[07:48] <James147> MasterofPuppets: or what ever partition you want to resise
[07:49] <MasterofPuppets> James147: should I make it smaller?
[07:50] <MasterofPuppets> And is there a difference between MiB and MB? Both refer to megabyte?
[07:50] <oorah> James147, it is not currently installed so it will not be reinstalled
[07:50] <Eevee> MB is (supposed to be) 1000 kilobytes.  MiB is 1024 kibibytes
[07:51] <James147> MasterofPuppets: What Eevee said, but most the time ppl dont pay attention to that and use either :(
[07:51] <MasterofPuppets> Eevee: Ah, consumer confusion I see
[07:51] <Eevee> as a general rule, "MB" on a hard drive box means 1000 kilobytes, and anywhere else means kibibytes
[07:52] <MasterofPuppets> Ah, I see
[07:52] <MasterofPuppets> James147: But essentially should I just split off 2000 MiB following?
[07:52] <Eevee> which is sort of a problem since 1TB hard drives show up in every OS as some 930GB
[07:53] <James147> oorah: try installing network-manager-gnome then
[07:55] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I've heard that if I make the partition ext4 I don't need to do a clean install when Karmic is fully released
[07:55] <MasterofPuppets> Is that true?
[07:55] <ali1234> you dont need to anyway
[07:55] <James147> MasterofPuppets: not that I know of and dont see why
[07:55] <oorah> James147, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1c89e172
[07:56] <MasterofPuppets> What file system should I make it then?
[07:56] <MasterofPuppets> And should I leave "round to cylinders" checked?
[07:56] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Leave anythign you dont understand as the default
[07:56] <MasterofPuppets> Ok
[07:57] <MasterofPuppets> The filesystem on ext2 then?
[07:57] <James147> oorah: hmm, try "sudo dpkg --configure --pending"
[07:57] <James147> MasterofPuppets: ext3 is generally the most used
[07:58] <MasterofPuppets> Ok! So I guess I'm ready to click apply now?
[07:58] <oorah> sudo dpkg --configure --pending
[07:58] <oorah> Setting up galeon-common (2.0.7-1ubuntu1) ...
[07:58] <oorah> update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/galeon doesn't exist.
[07:58] <oorah> dpkg: error processing galeon-common (--configure):
[07:58] <oorah>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[07:58] <oorah> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:58] <oorah>  galeon-common James147
[07:58] <James147> oorah: try purging it then reinstalling it (sudo aptitude purge ...)
[07:59] <oorah> James147,  purge what?
[07:59] <James147> the problem package
[07:59] <oorah> James147, what command?
[07:59] <James147> oorah: sudo aptitude purge <packagename>
[08:00] <oorah> ok thanks
[08:01] <oorah> sudo aptitude-purge gnome-network-manager && sudo aptitude purge network-manager
[08:01] <oorah> sudo: aptitude-purge: command not found
[08:01] <diverse_izzue> was pulseaudios volume control reverted from the "flat" mode to conventional?
[08:02] <James147> MasterofPuppets: If your sure you have done everything you need to then yes,
[08:02] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I'd just like a stable partition to store all of my work in
[08:02] <MasterofPuppets> So that if Karmic messes up the main partition I can have a backup
[08:03] <oorah> James147, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1b7dfa28
[08:03] <James147> MasterofPuppets: Once you have changed the partition to how you want it click apply to write the changes to disk
[08:03] <MasterofPuppets> James147: Sounds good!
[08:06] <MasterofPuppets> James147: I'm off to finish this essay, then
[08:06] <MasterofPuppets> Thank you so much for your help! :)
[08:06] <James147> oorah: Yuor going to have to say y as I dont know of another way to fix it, but you might lose your auto internet connection if you do you should be able to use sudo ifconfig eth0 up && sudo dhclient to reconnect
[08:07] <James147> oorah: replacing eth0 with your actual interface (need different commands for wireless)
[08:07] <James147> :p
[08:17] <oorah> is that cosmic wallpaper the new official one so far?
[08:17] <eagles0513875> kde is severly broken for me
[08:17] <eagles0513875> is it happening for anyone else?
[08:17] <oorah> it didn't automatically put it up but its a new one in the selection
[08:17] <oorah> eagles0513875, i tried kde recently, didn't really like it at all
[08:18] <wekt> eagles0513875: kde broke repeatedly starting with KDE4, so i quit using it.
[08:18] <eagles0513875> hehe wekt that doesnt really help me much
[08:18] <eagles0513875> hehe oorah
[08:18] <eagles0513875> well kde broke for me after yesterday mornings updaates
[08:18] <eagles0513875> its complaining about unmet dependencies
[08:18] <oorah> is that cosmic wallpaper the new official one so far?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> and when i try to install those dependencies it tells me that its missing another one
[08:19] <oorah> eagles0513875, gnome is much faster and more stable from my experience
[08:19] <eagles0513875> maybe so but the lay out of things confuses me
[08:19] <oorah> i'm surprised the new theme is darker, i figured "new" meant totally different lol
[08:22] <oorah> anyone else caught by surprise by the new theme?
[08:22] <oorah> its not really new, just darker brown
[08:22] <James147> eagles0513875: going to upgrade my laptop soon, will tell you if it breaks :)
[08:23] <oorah> no one really cares about the theme and wallpaper?
[08:23] <eagles0513875> James147: thanks :) you using karmic alpha 6
[08:23] <eagles0513875> kde
[08:23] <James147> eagles0513875: installed it before alpha 6, but either way im going to be on alpha 6 soon :)
[08:25] <eagles0513875> you are already are btw jacob
[08:25] <eagles0513875> James147: u already are
[08:25] <eagles0513875> #as the testing and dev stages go by as long as u update ull be on the latest testing stage
[08:25] <James147> eagles0513875: I mean I will have a freshinstall of alpha 6 soon
[08:25] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[08:25] <eagles0513875> well James147 let me know when u update if kde gets broken cuz it happened on my duel boot as well as my vm of karmic
[08:28] <James147> eagles0513875: will test my vm as well
[08:28] <eagles0513875> the updates killed kde for u
[08:28] <James147> eagles0513875: not yet :)
[08:29] <eagles0513875> run the updates on the vm plz and let me know
[08:30] <James147> damed wireless :(
[08:31] <mariosk8s> has anybody got the fglrx driver working?
[08:48] <mariosk8s> hmm, it seems install fglrx loose kwin
[08:52] <eagles0513875> mariosk8s: yesterdays updates and todays havent helped me at all but kde got killed for me
[08:52] <eagles0513875> James147: gonna reinstall my vm and let ya know what happens
[08:53] <mariosk8s> eagles0513875: i got it working again after yanking fglrx, after all in jaunty fglrx was broken too. X would even come up.
[08:54] <eagles0513875> mariosk8s: i have a desktop working just fine but kde got nerfed by certain updates
[08:54] <eagles0513875> gonna reinstall my vm and see whats up
[08:55] <jorgen> eagles0513875: what is the symptom? desktop hangs after log into kdm ??
[08:55] <eagles0513875> jorgen: kde is non existent any more cant login to it it isnt an option for a desktop
[08:55] <eagles0513875> when i try to install kubuntu-desktop but ocmplains about unmet dependencies
[08:55] <jorgen> ah
[08:55] <jorgen> for me that was fixed yesterday
[08:56] <eagles0513875> going to see if the same thing happens after a clean install on my vm
[08:56] <eagles0513875> with updates
[08:56] <jorgen> mayb your mirror is not up to date?
[08:56] <jorgen> i'd try another mirror first..
[08:56] <eagles0513875> jorgen: its possible
[08:56] <eagles0513875> but how can i change the mirror in gnome
[08:56] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:56] <eagles0513875> jorgen: im using my local mirror btw
[08:56] <jorgen> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:57] <eagles0513875> ok let me try again with clean install on my vm and update and see if the same thing happens as there have been kde updates today
[08:57] <jorgen> good luck :)
[08:57] <eagles0513875> thanks jorgen :) VIVA LA VMS
[09:01] <James147> eagles0513875: vm droped too prompt, then a few seconds later kdm started :S
[09:01] <eagles0513875> O_o
[09:02] <James147> eagles0513875: seems to be working for me
[09:02] <eagles0513875> humm let me reinstall my vm cuz from what im seeing though yesterdays updates didnt cause the same issue as i am havin g
[09:02] <James147> eagles0513875: yup, loged on fine
[09:02] <eagles0513875> James147: have you updated
[09:02] <James147> eagles0513875: did sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade then rebooted
[09:03] <eagles0513875> did you add any of the extra repos like source and pre release and all that
[09:03] <James147> eagles0513875: not on the vm i dont think
[09:03] <eagles0513875> u willing to test something for me
[09:03] <eagles0513875> on the vm
[09:03] <James147> eagles0513875: what you have in mind?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> James147: can u add the source repos and also the pre release and unsupported repos and see if those break kde or updates from those repos
[09:07] <James147> eagles0513875: only 2 package upgrades
[09:07] <eagles0513875> ok James147 do you mind rebooting it and see if kde is still listed
[09:07] <James147> eagles0513875: when it finishes
[09:08] <James147> eagles0513875: laptop seemed to update fine as well
[09:08] <eagles0513875> humm
[09:09] <mariosk8s> ooh, just got a lot of Sorry, the program "xorg|kdeinit4|other" closed unexpectedly, so did apport
[09:09] <James147> eagles0513875: vm rebooted fine
[09:10] <James147> eagles0513875: both where installed pre-alpha6
[09:10] <James147> eagles0513875: gona install alpha 6 on my laptop via alterntive image then update
[09:10] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[09:10] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:11] <eagles0513875> im having issues with my vm now locking up
[09:11] <eagles0513875> are you using vbox to run the vm
[09:11] <James147> eagles0513875: virtualbox from jaunty reops
[09:11] <eagles0513875> im on vbox on windows O_o
[09:28] <Ian_> I like ubuntu software store :)
[09:32] <mariosk8s> mental note: don't suspend to ram when booting off a usb drive
[09:32] <sgh> Hi! has anyone experienced this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1274731
[09:35] <amortvigil> sgh: its well known reinstall is best way
[09:35] <Ian_> lol mariosk8s
[09:37] <sgh> amortvigil: what is actually happening?
[09:38] <amortvigil> sgh: dunno, but upgrades often go wrong because every system is configured differently
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> hey all, if the next release is super ready before release date, will it get released?
[09:41] <lupine_85> not likely
[09:41] <lupine_85> there's always something else to do
[09:41] <lupine_85> 'tis the nature of software
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> just came to me, true true
[09:41] <mariosk8s> i don;t think it'll be super ready
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> you know what I mean though
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> is kde all nice now
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> hahahah
[09:44] <AlanBell> where is the xsplash background graphic stored?
[09:44] <AlanBell> I want to update my twitter background http://twitter.com/alanbelltolc
[09:45] <sgh> amortvigil: yes ....
[09:47] <amortvigil> sgh ill advice re-install it
[09:47] <amortvigil> sgh: or you can pray : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERy3ZEnTckI ;)
[09:48] <AlanBell> ah /usr/share/images/xsplash
[09:49] <sgh> amortvigil: cute ;D
[09:50] <amortvigil> sgh: verry cute lol :P
[09:57] <James147> eagles0513875: just finished installing aplha6 on my laptop, updating it now
[10:02] <eagles0513875> ok James147 reinstalling on my vm
[10:04] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I wanted to use karmic (bec. jaunty crashed for me all the time) but now I got two problems: 1) 3D-Acceleration isn't working any longer (Driver: fglrx) and 2) When upgrading, I got the message: useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later.
[10:05] <PolitikerNEU> The second could be this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1705036.html
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> PolitikerNEU: what is the output of: ls -al /etc/passwd
[10:05] <ali1234> is it correct that apport no longer brings up a firefox window for me to finish submitting a bug report?
[10:06] <PolitikerNEU> ActionParsnip: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1743 2009-08-06 10:47 /etc/passwd
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> PolitikerNEU: cool, just making sure the file exists
[10:08] <PolitikerNEU> I could just sudo rm /etc/passwd.lock ?
[10:08] <PolitikerNEU> no, doesn't help
[10:09] <AlanBell> ooh, I see an ubuntu-wallpapers package change
[10:10] <James147> eagles0513875: ahhg, 2 hours to full update :(
[10:10] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:11] <eagles0513875> u on wifi
[10:11] <James147> eagles0513875:  yeah, have no choise though, my eth port is bust
[10:11] <eagles0513875> ouch
[10:11] <PolitikerNEU> ActionParsnip: Maybe a fresh install will help?
[10:12] <eagles0513875> PolitikerNEU:  the permissions are also correct for that file
[10:12] <AlanBell> interesting, are there animated backgrounds?
[10:12] <James147> eagles0513875: as well as the eject button on my cdrom :S but dont really care about that as much, wish I could disable it though :(
[10:12] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> PolitikerNEU: i'd hunt around, maybe something will come up
[10:12] <James147> eagles0513875: dam the shittyness of laptop bioses
[10:13] <eagles0513875> how olds the laptop James147
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> AlanBell: you can use xwinwrap with nasty compiz to put the GL backgrounds as an animated wallpaper
[10:14] <AlanBell> ActionParsnip: there appears to be a new background, a space image of a nebula or something (looks like the eye of sauron to me)
[10:14] <arvind_khadri> hi, i am not able to find network-manager applet running?anyone else sees this?? and also am not able to connect my laptop to the internet
[10:14] <AlanBell> and it appears as a deck of images in the background selector with a play icon below it.
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> AlanBell: yeah saw that yesterday. im using an XP theme to be ironic
[10:14] <AlanBell> can't see any movement to it
[10:14] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: i had that issue yesterday it just disappeared
[10:14] <eagles0513875> there is an issue i think with a .so file for it
[10:15] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, what do i do?and how do i make my laptop connect to internet now?
[10:15] <AlanBell> in fact a whole bunch of backgrounds just landed
[10:15] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: over wifi im not sure to be honest
[10:15] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: you got replace the network manager that is default with gnome with wicd for now
[10:15] <eagles0513875> !info wicd | arvind_khadri
[10:16] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, so i must install wicd on my machines?
[10:16] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: for now you can until the nm is fixed
[10:16] <James147> eagles0513875: the laptops about 2 years old now, should be in this state though
[10:16] <eagles0513875> shouldnt James147
[10:17] <James147> thats what i ment :) dam my lack of typing skills :)
[10:20] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, am also getting kernel crashes, but cant report it,it says that the package isnt genuine
[10:20] <eagles0513875> O_o that im not sure about arvind_khadri but i have had boxes pop up in regards to the kernel crashing
[10:24] <James147> eagles0513875: only 2h40mins left :(
[10:25] <eagles0513875> :( James147 well i have my vm coming back up will setup my repos again like i had them and update
[10:29] <maxb> First impressions of humanity-icon-theme: WTF!?!
[10:33] <mac_v> maxb: check out human login theme , window border
[10:33] <maxb> ?
[10:34] <mac_v> its there in the appearances , customize and use the human login theme as the window border
[10:34] <mac_v> but the windows wont have titles ;) , since it was designed only for the login screen
[10:36] <maxb> gah
[10:37] <maxb> I'm really starting to hate this obsession of redesigning the GUI that Ubuntu seems to have developed in the last year or so :-(
[10:37] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, has notify-osd been removed?
[10:37] <eagles0513875> !info notify-osd
[10:37] <eagles0513875> arvind_khadri: nope doesnt look like it
[10:38] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, oh, i am not getting notifications through it...anyways let me check
[10:41] <eagles0513875> James147: this is getting super strange
[10:41] <eagles0513875> kwin keeps crashing for me
[10:42] <James147> eagles0513875: 2mins till I see if mine breaks
[10:42] <eagles0513875> i am trying the main servers this time instead of my local mirror
[10:42] <James147> eagles0513875: which ones where you useing?
[10:42] <eagles0513875> my local mirrors
[10:42] <eagles0513875> the maltese ones
[10:43] <eagles0513875> not sure who is hosting the mirror
[10:43] <jbicha> AlanBell: I'm pretty sure there were space backgrounds before, they're still not the default, & they're a part of gnome-screensaver
[10:43] <eagles0513875> James147: ping me with ur results as i need to go eat lunch cuz im feelign a bit light headed
[10:44] <James147> eagles0513875: ping?
[10:45] <eagles0513875> hehe James147 just type my name and let me know your results that way it shows up in red for me
[10:45] <James147> eagles0513875: :) wasent sure if you ment something else
[10:46] <eagles0513875> nope
[10:48] <jamieleshaw> Hello, Palimpsest Disk Utility tells me my hard drive is failing in Aplha 6, is there a stable untility i can use to confirm this or check?
[10:50] <mac_v> jamieleshaw: just update to the latest packages that has been fixed
[10:51] <jamieleshaw> mac_v, Is there an app that let's me check my NTFS drive
[11:01] <AlanBell> jbicha: there are loads of nice backgrounds now. The default (warty-final-ubuntu.png as ever) is now actually lighter and more orange I think
[11:03] <jbicha> looks the same to me
[11:11] <djdarkman> hello, does someone know what to do when?
[11:11] <djdarkman> djdarkman@Darknet4:~$ nm-applet
[11:11] <djdarkman> nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libnm-glib-vpn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:12] <AlanBell> djdarkman: plug in a wire (it should get an IP address no problem) then apt-get update/apt-get upgrade
[11:12] <James147> eagles0513875: My laptop seems to have rebooted fine after updates
[11:30] <jandremendesc> hello
[11:30] <jandremendesc> Ia m portuguese
[11:32] <TheInfinity> jandremendesc: this is an english channel
[11:32] <bigmack83_> are the 9.10 cd's and/or files versioned at all? so if i dowload alpha 6 and the beta is released i can just run update on the files to update instead of having to re-download the iso? i dont have the fastest of connections and dont want to have to download the image every time
[11:33] <James147> bigmack83_: you willbe upgraded to beta if you update after beta is release
[11:33] <James147> d
[11:33] <bigmack83_> James147, well yea i know normal updates will update the system
[11:34] <Boohbah> then what's the issue?
[11:34] <bigmack83_> but if i was to have to re-install from the disc, or on another laptop i would like to be able to compress the updated files into an iso to have an updated disc
[11:35] <bigmack83_> its not a big issue, just if i have alpha 6 and sometime later reinstall fresh, would rather to be able to have an updated disc instead of the alpha
[11:35] <bigmack83_> if they dont have it its fine. just curious. that and i suppose i could order the cd as well
[11:38] <robin0800> bigmack83_: remember although beta is out beginning of october the final is due at the end perhaps wait for that
[11:39] <bigmack83_> yea i know. thats why i was trying to avoid having to re-download the whole thing as its only a month away
[11:40] <PolitikerNEU> Oh - the reason 3D hadn't worked was I hadn't given ubuntu time to recompile the driver since there was only a "_" at startup and I thought this would mean ubuntu wouldn't start
[11:40] <robin0800> bigmack83_: so just update for a month then get the final
[11:41] <bigmack83_> yea
[11:41] <yofel> bigmack83_: there are daily images for the cd's and you could keep them updated with rsync (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage)
[11:45] <robin0800> yofel: if you do that how do you run the updated iso ?
[11:47] <bigmack83_> robin0800, ah nice thanks
[11:47] <bigmack83_> oops
[11:47] <bigmack83_> i mean yofel thanks
[11:48] <yofel> robin0800: it's the normal live cd, so just burn it - tip: use an cd-rw ;) - or use a flash drive
[11:49] <robin0800> yofel: thanks
[11:50] <James147> yofel: I find flash drives the best :) quick and easy and fail less then burning cds
[11:50] <James147> Well, quick and easy with tools like usb-creator
[11:50] <yofel> James147: me too (ok, maybe that's just since my eeePC has no CD drive XD)
[11:51] <James147> yofel: heh, i started when my laptops cd drive became dodgy and now never burn cd anymore :) unless I have to for other systems
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> usb is faster than cd too, no moving parts
[11:55] <eagles0513875> well thats just great
[11:55] <eagles0513875> :(
[11:55] <eagles0513875> kwin is dead
[11:55] <eagles0513875> was constantly crashing on me rebooted now
[11:55] <eagles0513875> :( see if i have same issue
[11:56] <eagles0513875> James147: i have nothing but a blank screen no login window no nothing :(
[11:56] <eagles0513875> no tty consoles either :(
[11:57] <James147> eagles0513875: Its been perfectly fine for me, dont know why you seem to be the only one with problems... could it have been form a croupt image? affecting the updates, thats the only reason I can think of atm
[11:58] <eagles0513875> i just reinstalled my vm then i got a box complaining about kwin crashing and to choose another desktop
[11:58] <eagles0513875> i mean window manager
[12:08] <eagles0513875> le sigh
[12:08] <MisterN> karmic has deprecated HAL right? which tool is now used for configuring X input devices?
[12:08] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: Do you have a Radeon HD?
[12:08] <Amaranth> MisterN: HAL
[12:08] <Amaranth> MisterN: Xorg is pretty much the only thing left using HAL
[12:08] <eagles0513875> Amaranth: no after my first lapotp with a radeon i avoid ati
[12:08] <MisterN> so it's deprecated but still used, lol
[12:08] <eagles0513875> both my duelboot laptop and my vm are on nvidia machines
[12:09] <MisterN> Amaranth: but that will be replaced too, right?
[12:09] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: hmm, no idea
[12:09] <Amaranth> MisterN: Yeah, then you configure input devices in, wait for it, xorg.conf
[12:09] <eagles0513875> this is super upsetting
[12:09] <eagles0513875> how can chroot into what i already have installed O_o
[12:10] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: Try again with a daily ISO?
[12:10] <MisterN> Amaranth: i wish they would at least split xorg.conf into a directory
[12:10] <Amaranth> or wait a couple days for the beta
[12:10] <eagles0513875> i dont have the latest one but im contemplating getting it
[12:10] <Amaranth> MisterN: Why?
[12:10] <eagles0513875> beta isnt due out till next week btw Amaranth by next thursday
[12:10] <Amaranth> MisterN: What exactly do you need to configure?
[12:10] <MisterN> Amaranth: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
[12:10] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: Well we're already in beta freeze so a daily ISO at this point should not be too different I guess
[12:11] <MisterN> Amaranth: i most urgently need vertical scrolling with the trackpoint :)
[12:11] <MisterN> well ok "urgently" is the wrong word
[12:11] <eagles0513875> ill get another iso downloading but i wanna see if its something that is in the pre release repo causing the problem or the unsupported repo
[12:11] <MisterN> i just want it
[12:11] <Amaranth> MisterN: ah
[12:12] <Amaranth> MisterN: I actually do the same thing for a macbook
[12:12] <AlanBell> has anyone tried installing from the alternate iso
[12:12] <MisterN> Amaranth: there are macbooks with a trackpoint? oO
[12:13] <Amaranth> MisterN: no, but look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook4-1/Intrepid#Touchpad (appletouch)
[12:13] <Amaranth> bah, stupid chromium not escaping spaces on copy/paste
[12:13] <Amaranth> MisterN: Although really it's silly, you're doing the same thing as xorg.conf
[12:13] <MisterN> Amaranth: ah, i see.
[12:14] <Amaranth> that page even shows you how they match up
[12:14] <MisterN> Amaranth: well i like it not to be in the same file. i like file separation. i got burned with configuration files being overwritten by the package manager and stuff like that.
[12:14] <eagles0513875> Amaranth: same thing with my duel boot on me macbook pro updates yesterday killed kde thank god i installed gnome cuz im useing gnome instead of kde on it
[12:14] <Amaranth> MisterN: I don't even have an xorg.conf right now so there is nothing else that would go in that file for me :)
[12:15] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: huh, maybe KDE is broken then
[12:15] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: Most people use GNOME here so wouldn't know
[12:15] <MisterN> Amaranth: heh, i have one, but as i just noticed, it is empty.
[12:15] <eagles0513875> is there another channel like this for kde
[12:15] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: Not unless #kubuntu+1 has people in it
[12:16] <eagles0513875> it says forwarding im guessing to here
[12:16] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:16] <MisterN> Amaranth: so... if i want to do this setup now and be future-proof for the time when HAL will be removed, should i just use xorg.conf?
[12:16] <Amaranth> MisterN: Yeah
[12:16] <Amaranth> MisterN: lucid will probably remove hal completely
[12:16] <eagles0513875> Amaranth: thought xorg.conf doesnt exist in clean installs of karmic
[12:16] <djdarkman> nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libnm-glib-vpn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:16] <Amaranth> djdarkman: Should already be fixed, are you up-to-date?
[12:17] <MisterN> Amaranth: it would be cool if GNOME could configure these things, but then, it's probably much too exotic. hmmm
[12:17] <Amaranth> eagles0513875: It doesn't, that what I'm saying
[12:17] <Amaranth> MisterN: How would GNOME configure it?
[12:17] <eagles0513875> ahhhh ok
[12:17] <eagles0513875> and also had an error with the nm applet too
[12:17] <djdarkman> Amaranth: dist upgrade says so
[12:17] <eagles0513875> how can i connect to wifi without it
[12:17] <Amaranth> hmm
[12:17] <MisterN> Amaranth: with a checkbox "Enable vertical scrolling for Trackpoint devices"
[12:18] <djdarkman> it wants libnm-glib-vpn.so.0 but I have libnm-glib-vpn.so.1
[12:18] <Amaranth> MisterN: Oh, right, the hack box we have there
[12:18] <djdarkman> what's the deal here?
[12:18] <MisterN> Amaranth: the what?
[12:18] <djdarkman> do I have to do a symlink or what?
[12:18] <Amaranth> djdarkman: No
[12:19] <MisterN> Amaranth: the gnome mouse settings editor has a tab "Touchpad". it could just as well have a tab "Trackpoint" :)
[12:19] <Amaranth> $ ldd /usr/bin/nm-applet | grep libnm-glib-vpn
[12:19] <Amaranth> 	libnm-glib-vpn.so.1 => /usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1 (0x00007fd99972e000)
[12:19] <Amaranth> djdarkman: Did you run update before dist-upgrade? :)
[12:19] <maxb> So the new colour of Ubuntu is disgusting sludge brown? What was wrong with orange?
[12:19] <Amaranth> maxb: We liked breezy
[12:20] <djdarkman> djdarkman@Darknet4:~$  ldd /usr/bin/nm-applet | grep libnm-glib-vpn
[12:20] <djdarkman> 	libnm-glib-vpn.so.0 => not found
[12:20] <djdarkman> yes Amaranth update & dist-upgrade
[12:20] <Amaranth> djdarkman: You forgot to run apt-get update first or your mirror is out of date
[12:21] <djdarkman> Amaranth: you are probaby right in your last assumption
[12:21] <djdarkman> I might as well use another mirror
[12:21]  * Amaranth uses archive.ubuntu.com for development releases and the fastest mirror (as determined by software-sources) in stable releases
[12:22] <Amaranth> deb http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ karmic main restricted universe multiverse
[12:22] <Amaranth> that's actually what I'm using now
[12:22] <Amaranth> It's the third fastest mirror to my machine but stays very up-to-date
[12:23] <wirechief> karmic seems to just hang when you try to boot it anyone have the same behavior ? host Debian, guest karmic 64bit vbox 3.04 the shasum256 checked out ok, i have jaunty in a similar vm and it works fine.
[12:23] <wirechief> this is trying to boot the .iso image with vbox
[12:24] <Amaranth> wirechief: Try again with something new than alpha 6
[12:24] <Amaranth> s/new/newer/
[12:24] <wirechief> hmm ok
[12:24] <wirechief> geeze i just got this from distrowatch last night :(
[12:25] <yofel> !daily
[12:25] <AlanBell> maxb: think rich dark chocolate rather than sludge
[12:26] <wirechief> thanks yofel
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: did you md5 check the ISO?
[12:26] <wirechief> no
[12:26] <wirechief> i used shasum256
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: then how do you know the iso isnt corrupted?
[12:27] <MisterN> Amaranth: do i need to specify all mouse settings in xorg.conf, or can i just specify those which i want to change?
[12:27] <Amaranth> MisterN: the latter
[12:27] <wirechief> well shasum256 is actually better than md5sum and it what distrowatch advertises
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: check the ISO isnt bad with MD5sum. if its ok you may need some boot options
[12:27] <Amaranth> anything not specified is autoconfigured
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | wirechief
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: as long as its check I cant see how one is better than the other
[12:28] <wirechief> perhaps. i have have had to use noapic before.
[12:28] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: No need to check md5sum is shasum256 was fine
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Amaranth: gotcha, I dont see how one is superior though?
[12:29] <wirechief> ActionParsnip well shasum256 does a much better job at the bit stream, besides distrowatch did not give the md5sum hash
[12:29] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: md5 is weaker cryptographically but it doesn't really matter
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: i see, i guess your hands are tied then
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> Amaranth: its a basic check but i see the point
[12:30] <wirechief> no. i will just get a more recent release.
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> shasum generates file hashes using the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA1). It is intended to be a replacement for md5sum(1), as MD5 has known attacks where collisions can be produced.
[12:31] <wirechief> the only thing i dont like about shasum is trying to remember the syntax for its use ;)
[12:51] <jamieleshaw> Hello, is the chocolate theme the final one for Karmic Koala?
[12:52] <rski> jamieleshaw: we will know when it's out
[12:52] <jamieleshaw> So they don't annouce it?
[12:52] <rski> announce what'
[12:53] <jamieleshaw> the  artwork
[12:53] <rski> we don't know what will happen untills it's out.
[12:54] <jamieleshaw> ok, thanks, I personally prefered the theme Koala had before it
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> Takes all of 30 sec to chagne themes.. :)  so im not too worried about it.
[12:55] <jamieleshaw> :)
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Be really amuseing if for the NEXT release they dont even TOUCH the artwork! what an idea!
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:55] <brijith> What is new in 9.10
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> everything. :) and grub2 too.
[12:56] <brijith> the video drivers ????
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> everything  has been updated.. so yes...
[12:56] <jamieleshaw> Dr_Willis, , i like the human theme
[12:56] <brijith> are they updating the video drivers
[12:56] <RockyM> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> jamieleshaw:  i always tend to use plastick or somthyign nice and 'clear/bright/easy on the eyes'
[12:57] <brijith> I am asking this because I am having  some probelm with 9.04
[12:57] <AlanBell> jamieleshaw: I don't think it is finished, the gdm theme in particular
[12:57] <eagles0513875> brijith: nvidia or ati
[12:57] <brijith> its is not that smooth as 8.04
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> It pays to state your video card when asking about video card issues. :)
[12:58] <jamieleshaw> thanks
[12:58] <eagles0513875> agreed with that Dr_Willis
[12:58] <AlanBell> jamieleshaw: the artwork is being tested too, make sure contrasts are right and themes are right etc. so it isn't final, until it is final
[13:00] <brijith> eagles0513875: I think ati ,,,,
[13:00]  * Dr_Willis files a bug - 'artwork is too artsy'
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> 'think' ?
[13:00] <eagles0513875> brijith: can you run lspci and tell me from there please
[13:00] <yofel> brijith: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' give you?
[13:00] <brijith> its a asus motherboard
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> Time to determine your exact card and chipset.  :)
[13:00] <brijith> :)
[13:01] <brijith> I am really impressed with the kind of quick response I am getting from here ....
[13:02] <yofel> brijith: you would get even more if you would give us the output of the command I gave you ;)
[13:02] <brijith> But unfortunately ... I cant paste the out puts of those commands since now I am at my office
[13:02] <brijith> I ma talking about PC at my home
[13:03] <rski> brijith: ssh to it?
[13:03] <brijith> Anyway  I am set to install the new 9.10 ... Hope there wont be any such issues in it
[13:04] <brijith> When it is going to release ...
[13:04] <rski> !karmic
[13:04] <maxb> Hrm. "Chocolate" brown is a really bad colour for the background of a selected tickbox. You can't see the tick
[13:04] <brijith> I know that it is coming in next next month
[13:04] <brijith> Oky
[13:05] <brijith> 29 th rt ?
[13:05] <yofel> !schedule
[13:05] <brijith>  !schedule
[13:06] <yofel> brijith: no space in front of ubottu factoids ;)
[13:08] <brijith> :) thanks ....
[13:08] <brijith> let me try once again
[13:08] <brijith> !schedule
[13:08] <brijith> yes
[13:08] <rski> why, you already got what is says?
[13:09] <rski> completely un-necesary
[13:09] <brijith> sorry .. I am new this IRC
[13:11] <wzssyqa> will 10.04 not use gnome3?
[13:11] <yofel> !me | brijith
[13:11] <rski> wzssyqa: it won't because that's an LTS if i'm not mistaken
[13:12] <brijith> Thanks
[13:12] <Pici> wzssyqa: 1) the 10.04 UDS hasn't happened yet, so there really haven't been any decisions about it made yet. 2) We dont usually put big changes in LTS releases.
[13:12] <brijith> yofel:thanks
[13:12] <eagles0513875> heheh 10.10 will lol
[13:12] <yofel> brijith: np, he's very useful :)
[13:12] <Pici> yofel: she ;)
[13:12] <brijith> :)
[13:12] <yofel> oh right ^^
[13:12] <penguin42> it'd be good to have a stabilisation release
[13:12] <wzssyqa> Pici: then if can i get gnome3?
[13:13] <Pici> wzssyqa: It might be included optionally, but its really a bit too far off now to speculate.
[13:13] <wzssyqa> Pici: o,thanks
[13:14] <wzssyqa> i wish have it
[13:14] <eagles0513875> Pici: is there a kubuntu+1 channel or does that get redirected here
[13:14] <yofel> eagles0513875: get's redirected here
[13:14]  * yofel is using kde too
[13:14] <eagles0513875> :( ok yofel well i need some help
[13:14] <yofel> haven't rebooted for half a week though ^^
[13:15] <eagles0513875> after yesterday mornings updates somehow kde got removed and when i try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop it complains about unmet dependencies :(
[13:15] <eagles0513875> how can i go about fixing it
[13:15] <eagles0513875> for now at least by pass the unmet dependencies
[13:16] <yofel> eagles0513875: what does it tell you? 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | pastebinit'
[13:16] <yofel> since kubuntu-desktop is installed here without complaints
[13:16] <eagles0513875> hold on running todays updates which it seems include a bunch of kde stuff which i have installed
[13:16] <eagles0513875> yofel: see if it still works after a reboot
[13:17] <wzssyqa> is eclipse ready now?
[13:18] <yofel> ah well, let me try to reboot then...
[13:18] <yofel> brb
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> yofel: if you use xclip, you can have the url put straight onto the clipboard ;)
[13:18] <brijith> friends, How to contribute..... I am a programmer with 2 years of experience in python and pygtk ... I am really interested in being a part of ubuntu team ...  How and where should I start .......>?
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> yofel: e.g. pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf | xclip
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> yofel: xclip will need installing
[13:20] <Cyberkilla> Hello, I just used the computer janitor to remove old kernel images....
[13:21] <Cyberkilla> Unfortunately, it hasn't worked. I then when into synaptic and removed the kernel images myself, along with any configuration data (--purge)
[13:21] <yofel> re
[13:21] <Cyberkilla> But the grub menu STILL lists them,even though the only initrd file is for the latest kernel
[13:21] <yofel> eagles0513875: works fine here (I use kdm)
[13:21] <Pici> Cyberkilla: Sounds like a great candidate for a bug.
[13:21] <yofel> ActionParsnip: thx, didn't know that yet :)
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> I have even tried "update-grub" which recognises :
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-10-generic
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[13:22] <eagles0513875> yofel: same here kdm yet i have no option to use kde as the default
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: run: sudo update-grub
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> thats te one
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> That's all it picks up on. If it is updating menu.lst, finding only two entries, why are the old ones still there?
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> I already have ran it.
[13:22] <Cyberkilla> No difference : (
[13:22] <yofel> Cyberkilla: you don't need to check menu.lst but grub.cfg
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: try reinstalling the current kernel, the postinstall will make grub-update rerun
[13:23] <Cyberkilla> I have entries all the way down to kernel 2.6.31-6-generic
[13:23] <yofel> Cyberkilla: if you use grub2
[13:23] <Cyberkilla> No, I use the old grub
[13:23] <Cyberkilla> Thanks for the help btw: )
[13:24] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, I can't find any "grub.cfg"
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: could try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic
[13:24] <yofel> !contribute | brijith
[13:24] <Cyberkilla> Okay, I'll try.
[13:25] <robin0800> Cyberkilla: /etc/default/grub
[13:25] <Cyberkilla> ribin0800: Thanks:)
[13:26] <eagles0513875> ha :)
[13:26] <eagles0513875> got kde installing again
[13:26] <Cyberkilla> I've tried the kernel reinstall. It didn't work. The entries remain.
[13:26] <eagles0513875> was missing kwin
[13:26] <Pici> !bug
[13:26] <Cyberkilla> Very strange.
[13:26] <James147> eagles0513875: strange, but at least its fixed
[13:26] <oskar-> hi, how likely is it, that karmic will break my system, if i upgrade from jaunty? i have a bit spare time. or should i better wait?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> James147: will let u know after rebooting my laptop
[13:27] <eagles0513875> cuz on my vm i was having a weird issue on it different form my laptop issue
[13:27] <eagles0513875> after a reinstall
[13:27] <Cyberkilla> "/etc/default/grub" does not exist.
[13:27] <James147> oskar-: it depends on how important a running system is to you, there is always a change it WILL break so only do it if you are willing to risk it or can easaly reinstall jaunty
[13:27] <eagles0513875> oskar-: unless you want to stay fixing things i woudl wait in all ho nesty karmic has its up and downs
[13:27] <eagles0513875> exactly james
[13:28] <yofel> oskar-: if you really want to test it anyway you should always first test a daily live disk to check if it works for you!
[13:28] <vigo> oskar-: See that MOTD thing or Topic, back up whatever you feel is important, is rather stable, seems to work fine, so far.
[13:29] <James147> oskar-: and if the live cd works you can always dual boot untill it is released
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> oskar-: or install to USB to see how it flys ;)
[13:29] <oskar-> yofel:  testing a daily live cd sounds like a good idea
[13:29] <vigo> Yes, James147 makes a good point.
[13:29] <yofel> !daily | oskar-
[13:29] <oskar-> thanks!
[13:29] <vigo> and ActionParsnip,
[13:30] <vigo> and yofel
[13:30] <zniavre> !grub2
[13:30] <Cyberkilla> I know GRUB2 is the default
[13:30] <vigo> and all the rest that I cannot type that fast.
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> that thing should say grub2 is hugely complicated and pretty unnecessary for single boot
[13:30] <eagles0513875> James147: rebooting
[13:30] <Cyberkilla> But it's not withing it's own problems.
[13:30] <James147> Atm I am running karmic in a vm on my desktop, and dual booting it with jaunty on my laptop. Although i use karmic on my laptop most of the time I have had times i needed to go back to jaunty again
[13:30] <eagles0513875> !ext4
[13:30] <eagles0513875> ext4 is also default in karmic
[13:30] <eagles0513875> !info ext4
[13:31] <eagles0513875> O_o
[13:31] <eagles0513875> !filesystem
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> but you can use ext3 if you use custom partitioning
[13:31] <Pici> Its not a package.
[13:31] <Cyberkilla> My GRUB works fine as it is. I use the Vista boot manager to chainload to GRUB on the linux "/" partition
[13:31] <Cyberkilla> So I am not inclined to change it unless I have too. BCDEdit is not fun to work with.
[13:32] <eagles0513875> Cyberkilla: problem is that you shouldnt be using the vista bootmanager though cuz grub tricks windows that its using the ntboot ldr but its not
[13:32] <yofel> Grub2 is the default, but it is not forced if you upgrade from jaunty
[13:32] <Cyberkilla> No, it's nothing to do with that.
[13:32] <Cyberkilla> I've been using it like this for months.
[13:32] <Cyberkilla> Vista is on the MBR, GRUB is only on the boot sector of the linux partition
[13:33] <Cyberkilla> It works fine. My problem is just with these weird kernel images remaining, even after update-grub, when there is no trace of them on the system.
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Cyberkilla: interesting i normally use it the other way where u have grub tricking windows into thinking grub = nt boot loader
[13:33] <eagles0513875> ouchi :(
[13:33] <Cyberkilla> I tried that for Edgy, but it never seems to work very relibably. That is why I'm letting Vista think it is in control:P
[13:34] <Cyberkilla> Nothing worse than a windows update cleaning out the MBR
[13:34] <wzssyqa> why if i install pulseaudio,then totem have no sound?
[13:34] <wzssyqa> if remove it ,then it have
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> wzssyqa: is totem configured to use pulse?
[13:35] <wzssyqa> ac
[13:35] <wzssyqa> ActionParsnip: no
[13:35] <wzssyqa> ActionParsnip: how config?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> wzssyqa: set the default sound server for the system
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> !sound | wzssyqa
[13:39] <wzssyqa> ActionParsnip: realplayer have sound
[13:39] <eagles0513875> ya for some reason i dont have any audio what so ever on my duel boot but im probably gonna try recompile alsa
[13:39] <Cyberkilla> How strange. I have editted menu.lst myself, removing all old kernel entries...
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> wzssyqa: then scout round in totems settings to see where it is set
[13:40] <Cyberkilla> Now, after a grub-update, they haven't returned. But isn't that section meant to be autmatic? Shouldn't it be cleaning the area up itself?
[13:40] <Cyberkilla> Worrying.
[13:40] <Cyberkilla> I'm gonna try removing every kernel entry and see if it puts anything back
[13:40] <wzssyqa> ActionParsnip: Rhythmbox have no ,too
[13:41] <Cyberkilla> Nope, it didn't. So grub-update doesn't add kernels that it detects
[13:45] <User901> help needed
[13:46] <yofel> !ask | User901
[13:50] <drs305> Cyberkilla: Grub 2 does add new or added kernels after running update-grub. If yours is not something is broken.
[13:51] <yofel> drs305: he's using grub-legacy iirc
[13:52] <drs305> yofel: Ok, only been on about 10 minutes. Since this is ubuntu+1 figured it was grub 2.
[13:52] <Cyberkilla> drs305: I'm not using GRUB2
[13:52] <drs305> Ok Cyberkilla
[13:52] <yofel> drs305: if you upgrade from jaunty you keep grub-legacy by default
[13:53] <drs305> Yes.
[13:53] <Cyberkilla> What is the benefit of GRUB2?
[13:53] <Cyberkilla> Is it easier to configure?
[13:53] <Cyberkilla> I just want something that is no hassle.
[13:53] <drs305> It's much more flexible. The file system is almost completely different and takes a bit to get used to.
[13:55] <drs305> Here's a post I wrote about Grub 2 Basics; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275  and of course the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[13:55] <Cyberkilla> Thanks. I might risk it, because I'm only going to be nagged every time there is a problem with GRUB:)
[13:55] <drs305> Cyberkilla:Eventually you will use Grub 2, but if you want no hassle you might want to stick to Grub. Learning Grub 2 takes a bit of effort.
[13:56] <alankila> Hmm. It would sure be nice if apt-get did updates in a parallel fashion like download and install at the same time, and if it would configure before continuing to the next package. All this install-50-packages-then-configure-them-all sucks if your system, say, loses batter in middle of upgrade
[13:57] <alankila> all those unconfigured packages are sort of broken and you can only barely get system up enough to finish dpkg --configure -a
[13:57] <Cyberkilla> drs305: Fair enough. I'll just keep an eye on future kernel updates. It seems to me that menu.lst is not being refreshed correctly. At least I can boot, I suppose.
[13:57] <alankila> and of course, after dpkg --configure -a it boots normally
[13:58] <yofel> alankila: it already does parallel fetch if you download from different servers (like  ppa's) and the install then configure is a policy of dpkg, not apt
[13:58] <alankila> yofel: well apt orchestrates dpkg. It could -- and should -- ask dpkg to do operations in smaller chunks. I'd say in as small chunks as possible.
[13:59] <alankila> but bah, I'm just complaining because it's happened a couple of times that I've forgot to plug my laptop in and have it die in middle of massive upgrade and then when the system boots it's so broken it isn't even funny
[13:59] <yofel> alankila: it has to re-initialize the database after avery configure, so installing packages would take ages
[14:00] <alankila> yes, I know, the triggers-approach favors installing in as large chunks as possible. And the dpkg database -- the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info, rather -- is inefficient.
[14:00] <Cyberkilla> "Reading package lists" takes forever on my computer. If that could be speeded up, updating would be much waster.
[14:00] <Cyberkilla> *faster
[14:00] <Cyberkilla> No doubt a product of the enourmous repository we have now: )
[14:00] <yofel> +1
[14:01] <alankila> these shortcomings should be addressed as well, but currently the very long period between install and the setup is imo dangerous. There's no good reason why the period would have to be so long. Maybe it would be bad idea to run dpkg more often
[14:01] <Cyberkilla> I read about it being ported to a database.
[14:01] <Cyberkilla> A proper database.
[14:01] <alankila> but certain dpkg could stop installing new stuff once in a while and configure a bit
[14:01] <alankila> certain+ly.
[14:01] <yofel> well, they at least added a percentage info to the database loading so it's not as boring anymore ^^
[14:01] <Cyberkilla> Somebody believes it will eventually use something like SQLite
[14:01] <Cyberkilla> yogel:True:D
[14:02] <Cyberkilla> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9609
[14:02] <yofel> Cyberkilla: you should be able to just type yof<Tab> to get my name right in you IRC client ;)
[14:02] <eagles0513875> brb rebooting my windows desktop
[14:03] <Cyberkilla> Oops, sorry:) irssi client. I'm not used to using it yet.
[14:03]  * yofel is using irssi too :)
[14:03]  * ActionParsnip uses pidgin
[14:04] <yofel> actually irssi+screen over ssh ^^
[14:05] <Cyberkilla> yofel: I've actually been using it for XMPP/Jabber too. It is one of the better jabber clients - although, that doesn't say much for the other clients:) GaJim is alright too.
[14:05] <Amaranth> The only use I would have for irssi is the proxy module
[14:06] <alankila> I do hope that dpkg will indeed move into a better database than what it currently has. To get rid of the "loading database"-step by having it in format that is readily usable without specially loading it would help
[14:06] <Amaranth> The dpkg database is a text file :P
[14:06] <alankila> a large set of text files rather
[14:06] <Amaranth> nah, just one
[14:07] <alankila> Oh. Which one?
[14:07] <Cyberkilla> SQLite would definitely be faster. I can't imagine a text file having indices.
[14:07] <Amaranth> iirc /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> alankila: its used very infrequently so I wouldnt sweat it. The devs have bigger fish to fry
[14:08] <alankila> hmm... that is 1,5 MB of text... it shouldn't take a long time to parse, unless the fault is with apt/dpkg being based on Perl
[14:08] <Amaranth> perl is pretty darn fast for text stuff
[14:08] <alankila> but then again there's C extensions as well so who knows
[14:09] <Cyberkilla> Well, I haven't a clue. All I know is that it takes a good 30 seconds just to "[Read the ] package lists..."
[14:09] <alankila> Amaranth: well, it depends, really. Perl is an interpreted language and as such runs quite slowly. The more you can do in single statements -- such as with clever, but virtually impenetrable regexes -- the better, of course.
[14:10] <alankila> the regex engine is a simple bytecode machine and seems to run very fast, but the sort of problems it can solve are generally rather limited...
[14:11] <alankila> ironically, perl has reputation for being a good language for text processing only because the earlier set of tools all sucked. C sucks, awk sucks, sed sucks, shell sucks. At least the shells that existed when Perl started, I suppose.
[14:12] <Cyberkilla> They should be using ASM for maximum speed!:D
[14:12] <yofel> hm, I would be more interested what exactly is being done when it reads the package lists. Since it uses almost no cpu time but causes heavy disk I/O. On my eeePC with an SSD it never takes more than 5s to read the package lists
[14:13] <alankila> strace -e open indicates opens of /var/cache/apt/*.bin files, which took a long time... reading dpkg status took only a few seconds.
[14:14] <alankila> once all that was in RAM it only takes 1 second to calculate the update... but before it's all loaded it's often > 10 seconds for me.
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> alankila: are you in a rush?
[14:14] <Cyberkilla> Are the files not compressed?
[14:15] <alankila> just wondering.
[14:15] <alankila> my linux runs from usb stick so the disk bandwidth is really rather low for me. That exacerbates the problems, such as they are.
[14:16] <alankila> I've been looking for an SSD but they still cost more than I'm comfortable with. :-/
[14:16] <Cyberkilla> I only have a laptop hard drive, but it's still pretty slow.
[14:16] <Amaranth> alankila: the *.bin files are for the apt dependency resolver
[14:16] <Amaranth> alankila: Those are not getting touched when you see "Reading database..."
[14:16] <Amaranth> because one is apt and one is dpkg
[14:17] <Cyberkilla> Yes, and SSD technology seems to be in constant flux. I'd hate to pay hundreds of £ for something that has a successor with superior technology a week later:)
[14:17] <Amaranth> Cyberkilla: Welcome to 1999
[14:18] <Amaranth> Back then you could buy a computer and 2 weeks later once twice as fast would be released :)
[14:18] <alankila> I wouldn't mind but each time I'm almost past the verge of taking the plunge with SSD some new thing comes and pushes me back into wait mode
[14:18] <Cyberkilla> Amaranth: It's not quite the same. SSD technology doesn't change purely in capacity and speed.
[14:18] <Amaranth> Cyberkilla: Everything else is firmware
[14:18] <Cyberkilla> Amaranth: There are issues of longevity and reliability
[14:19] <Cyberkilla> It's definitely the future, but I'm not buying another drive when this one works fine:P
[14:19] <alankila> at first it was the performance degradation with the Intel X25M-E or something similar due to the problems with clearing the flash blocks for new writes caused by the fragmentation in the scatter-gather nature that flash is used.
[14:19] <Cyberkilla> If it comes with my next laptop, then fine
[14:19] <alankila> now it's the fact that the solution to the problem -- the TRIM command -- is very slow to execute
[14:19] <Cyberkilla> Interesting
[14:20] <alankila> the Intel people fixed the problem somehow but until a flash drive comes that can do the TRIM efficiently I'm likely to hold on
[14:20] <Cyberkilla> Another year or so and they'll be more commonplace, I'd imagine.
[14:20] <papy> hi everibody
[14:20] <Cyberkilla> I'm looking forward to the day spinning media is replaced.
[14:21] <rski> Cyberkilla: you want some 'flippin media?
[14:21] <Cyberkilla> Personally, I don't think it should be about a particular technology. There should be a specification for accessing data storate
[14:21] <Cyberkilla> A bit like what we have with USB.
[14:21] <papy> do you know how to install a usb pinnacle pctv dvb-t Stick on karmic?
[14:21]  * alankila would be happy to go for yaffs2 as well, such as phones have, but nobody sells tens of gigabytes of flash without a disk interface.
[14:22] <alankila> or the people that do sell that sort of technology make it cost even more than SSDs... so it's going to be SSD for now, I rather expect
[14:22] <papy> to watch tnt tv?
[14:25] <papy> can someone help me
[14:25] <papy> ?
[14:25] <alankila> oh yeah and I once had a company I worked for to buy me a SSD but it was one of the very, very cheap Transcend models and it was reading like 8 MB/s and writing like 2 MB/s. It took dozens of minutes to merely mount the fs because the fs I put on it -- reiserfs -- was the best when writing stuff, but the initial scan of the fs that it starts with was very slow.
[14:25] <wastrel> hi
[14:25] <Cyberkilla> Does the Karmic art team have an IRC channel?
[14:25] <eagles0513875> !hi | wastrel
[14:26] <wastrel> we just bought a transcend flash module for a system
[14:26] <wastrel> eagles0513875: don't be a jackass
[14:26] <Cyberkilla> Or is everything done via cryptic mailing lists?
[14:26] <Cyberkilla> :)
[14:27] <yofel> Cyberkilla: #ubuntu-art would always be a start ;)
[14:27] <JanC> there is a wiki page & a launchpad page that both list all their contact channels, as with every other team...
[14:28] <alankila> It was sort of okay when it did finally manage to mount and boot, though, but I pretty much used it as paperweight for the rest of the time I worked there. It was really too light to be used for even as a paperweight.
[14:28] <Cyberkilla> yofel: Thanks again:)
[14:28] <papy> yep?
[14:28] <yofel> papy: what's your problem with the card?
[14:29] <papy> it's an usb
[14:29] <tgpraveen1> !info luks-format
[14:29] <BWARG> prelude is screwing up
[14:29] <papy> I cannot watch tv, all topics concern hardy
[14:29] <BWARG> cant update
[14:29] <BWARG> and firefox hangs up for some reason
[14:30] <BWARG> no bug reports
[14:30] <Pici> papy: You're running Hardy?
[14:30] <BWARG> no
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> BWARG: have you tried renaming ~/.mozilla and rerunning it?
[14:30] <BWARG> karmic
[14:30] <papy> no on karmic
[14:30] <lianimator> is the osd notification configuration in karmic? can I disable it for IM messages?
[14:30] <Pici> papy: Sorry, I misunderstood when you said 'I cannot watch tv, all topics concern hardy'
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> BWARG: if its ok, you know your profile is bad, if its still no good with a clean profile, its the app
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> BWARG: note how we rename, not delete. We then have a rollback path
[14:31] <papy> me tv tells me there's no tunner
[14:31] <papy> metv and kaffeine dosen't recognise the usb stick
[14:32] <papy> pinnacle pctv dvb-t stick
[14:33] <papy> do you understand? (sorry I don't speek a good english)
[14:33] <papy> (but i can understand
[14:34] <penguin42> anyone know where I can find the versions of packages a few days old?  I've had a regression in the last couple of days and want to roll a couple of packages back but they don't still seem to be in the pool
[14:34] <papy> topics on forum
[14:34] <papy> pici?
[14:35] <papy> I have to install the firmware
[14:35] <scyx> has anyone been able to boot the karmic-moblin-remix usb live image? all i get is the default panels with a different icon theme..
[14:37] <BWARG> update manager just said it lost connection and not its srsly broken
[14:37] <BWARG> now
[14:37] <papy> got someone a solution?
[14:39] <BWARG> update-manager, cpp-4.4, gcc-4.4-base, libcups2, libffi5, libgcc1, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libgtk2.0-common, liblaunchpad-integration1, libreadline6, libstdc++6, libuuid1, libxcb-atom1, libxcb-aux0, libxcb-event1, libxcb-render-util0, python2.6, python2.6-minimal, readline-common, update-manager-cor
[14:39] <BWARG> its says they are obsolete and to please update them
[14:39] <BWARG> no option to report the bug
[14:42] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:42] <tgpraveen1> !info ubuntu-one
[14:42] <tgpraveen1> !info ubu-one
[14:42] <tgpraveen1> !info ubu-net
[14:43] <tgpraveen1> any help?
[14:43] <yofel> !search ubuntuone
[14:43] <yofel> !info ubuntuone-client
[14:43] <AlanBell> window 14
[14:43] <Pici> btw: !search is for factoids, !find is for packages
[14:44] <AlanBell> oops
[14:44] <yofel> ahh, mixed them up -.-
[14:50] <BWARG> okay i got it to fix som packages in synaptic
[14:50] <BWARG> its trying to update
[15:05] <wekt> Where are the special directories, like  Videos & Pictures defined?
[15:06] <BWARG> E: prelude-lml: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:06] <genii> wekt: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[15:06] <gajop> i'm having a problem with bash tab completion, in at least xterm and gnome-terminal: when there are multiple options that require backslash, they don't get displayed after doing tab
[15:07] <wekt> genii: thanks.  is there a GUI interface for that?
[15:07] <genii> wekt: Nope
[15:07] <BWARG> uploading screenshot
[15:08] <BWARG> http://tinypic.com/r/1zm2qmu/4
[15:08] <BWARG> thats the full error message
[15:08] <wekt> gajop: yes, sounds like a problem.
[15:09] <BWARG> any ideas?
[15:09] <BWARG> wait...thats...nevermind
[15:09] <BWARG> i know how to fix it
[15:09] <BWARG> sorry to bother you with all thids
[15:12] <BluesKaj>  is apparmor falsey ID-ing crashes or is stuff actually crashing at boot up , cuz i don't see any probs running any apps ?
[15:13] <BWARG> im on pidgen and cant use msn on this
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> I see a CORE file in / all the time
[15:13] <BWARG> its important git it
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> and some error message also.. but never see whats actually crashed
[15:13] <BWARG> wait lol
[15:13] <BWARG> n/m
[15:13] <mbeierl> BWARG: MSN on pidgin works fine here
[15:13] <mbeierl> BWARG: oh, ok :)
[15:13] <BWARG> lol wrong tab :D
[15:20] <BWARG> !find apache
[15:26] <peterva> ola, someone else here has issues with pulseaudio in karmic?
[15:28] <BWARG> hi yes i do
[15:28] <BWARG> but im afraid i cant help you
[15:28] <BWARG> however
[15:28] <BWARG> i have a question for you
[15:28] <BWARG> http://cthulhu.oldones.net/torrentflux/login.php
[15:28] <BWARG> where does this go?
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> huh?
[15:32] <nemo> I was hoping https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444320
[15:32] <nemo> would get fixed by the time 9.10 was released
[15:32] <nemo> but. doesn't look like it :-/
[15:32] <nemo> shame.
[15:32] <nemo> peterva: yeah. tons of issues, but mine have been a bit improved in last week
[15:32] <flamez> How make a irc server ?
[15:32] <nemo> peterva: although totem still blows up on exit sometimes
[15:32] <flamez> i know Hybrit but i don't know how use or installs
[15:33] <peterva> nemo: I disabled pulse the hard way in jaunty, but after my upgrade to karmic, it broke quite hard :P
[15:34] <nemo> peterva: are you up to date as of today?
[15:34] <nemo> it has gotten a bit better last few days
[15:34]  * penguin42 gets used to the new launchpad layout
[15:35] <peterva> yeah, I'm completely up to date
[15:35] <virtuald> i don't get why ubuntu doesn't use debian bts. it's much easier to find relevant bugs there.
[15:35] <penguin42> virtuald: To be honest I've never really liked the debian bts
[15:36] <peterva> I quite like launchpad
[15:36] <yofel> well, that's more the question between mail and www bt systems...
[15:36] <peterva> and the new interface is really slick :)
[15:36] <virtuald> how do you even search for bugs in a specific package on launchpad, without the search plugin?
[15:36] <hifi> a quick question: I did some changes to a package and did dch -i to add ~version etc. now I want to pbuild it, how do I build new .diff.gz and .dsc from the source directory?
[15:37] <yofel> really? I liked the old interface more, the newer is better in functionality, but it looks horrible
[15:37] <virtuald> launchpad is like all ubuntu sites; you can't get a good overview
[15:37] <peterva> yofel: I was more pointing at the functionality than the looks :)
[15:37] <yofel> hifi: go into the source dir and run 'debuild -S -sd'
[15:38] <virtuald> brb cat is meowing
[15:38] <hifi> yofel: thanks
[15:39] <yofel> hifi: afaik you can ignore the signature errors for pbuilder but I'm not sure
[15:40] <hifi> debuild didn't finish without signing
[15:40] <hifi> I need a GPG key anyway for PPA so...
[15:48] <unimatrix> guys, i love the new gray tray icons, but how about we group them to the right like this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121855/pub/new_arrangement.png
[15:49] <flamez>   ok Another qeustion How run Hybrid ircd if i downloaded it ?
[15:49] <SEJeff> Is anyone seeing gnome-panel constantly die and respawn?
[15:49] <SEJeff> On an up to date Karmic fresh install it is constantly dying
[15:50] <SEJeff> If you are running Karmic and update, do NOT logout and log back in or reboot right now
[15:51] <flamez>   ok Another qeustion How run Hybrid ircd if i downloaded it ?
[15:51] <zniavre> SEJeff,  i do not see gnome-panel with this behaviour
[15:52] <ellar> hello i want a quick notice if this is a common bug. with all desktop effects enabled, click on the clock in notification so that it unfolds and shows the calendar. now fold it again and you will notice that the shadow still remains...
[15:52] <hifi> hm, keyserver.ubuntu.com timeouts
[15:52] <drs305> SEJeff: I had this problem and found a way to stop it. Let me see if I kept the notes.
[15:52] <SEJeff> drs305, Thanks!
[15:52] <ellar> and you should have no application running and see you desktop
[15:52] <SEJeff> I've resorted to ssh -X from an old workstation to get work done
[15:53] <MasterofPuppets> ellar: Yeah, that's universal
[15:53] <MasterofPuppets> It is getting ironed out in the stable release
[15:53] <ellar> MasterofPuppets, ok, so no need for bug report?
[15:54] <SEJeff> I would like to see if anyone else has this problem so I can file a bug report if there isn't one
[15:54] <SEJeff> It killed my desktop
[15:54] <MasterofPuppets> ellar: You could probably find one and say it affects you, but I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge. Anything similar (drawers, etc.) will do the same thing
[15:54] <flamez> How run Hybrid ircd if i downloaded it ?
[15:54] <yofel> flamez: you can just install the 'ircd-hybrid' package from the repository to install it
[15:54] <MasterofPuppets> Ellar: I'm not sure if it's a compiz thing or just karmic being grumpy
[15:54] <flamez> Yofel How Run it ?
[15:54] <flamez> ircd hybrit
[15:55] <drs305> SEJeff: I can't find any notes but I think I filed a bug report and how I fixed it. I'm checking my bug filings.
[15:55] <hifi> is the ubuntu keyserver really dead
[15:55] <flamez> Yofel How Run it ?
[15:55] <SEJeff> drs305, Thanks! I figured the major bugs like this would have been ironed out by the time A6 landed and pre-beta. I was wrong
[15:56] <drs305> Yes, it was a while back that I had this problem. At least back to A4
[15:56] <MasterofPuppets> Ellar: here is the page if you are interested. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/429084
[15:56] <SEJeff> And after rebooting, it took about 3x as long to come up :/
[15:56] <yofel> flamez: it runs as a system service and will start once you reboot, or just run (sudo /etc/init.d/ircd-hybrid start)
[15:56] <hifi> ah, now it worked
[15:56] <flamez> Ty
[15:57] <hifi> I think...
[15:58] <flamez> Yofel -> Starting Hybrid 7 IRC Server: ircd-hybridflamez@ubuntu:~$  What to do now ?
[15:58] <ellar> MasterofPuppets, seems to be a common problem and there are multiple bugs like #428783
[15:58] <drs305> SEJeff: I can't find the bug report, but I posted a solution in the UF:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1255415#7
[15:58] <ellar> bug 428783
[15:59] <yofel> flamez: now it's running and you can connect from your local machine by using 'localhost' as the server in you irc client
[15:59] <flamez> how see my local host ?
[16:00] <yofel> flamez: ?
[16:00] <yofel> 'localhost' is an alias for the machine you are just working on
[16:00] <flamez> yes ?
[16:00] <flamez> oh
[16:00] <funkyHat> flamez: perhaps the command "hostname" is what you are looking for
[16:00] <flamez> How to connect I don't know my ip
[16:00] <SEJeff> drs305,
[16:01] <Pici> flamez: Are you running Karmic?
[16:01] <flamez> ubuntu
[16:01] <flamez> i run
[16:01] <Pici> flamez: What version?
[16:01] <MasterofPuppets> Ellar: Indeed
[16:01] <flamez> Wubie
[16:02] <flamez> wubie
[16:02] <ellar> MasterofPuppets, so thanks so far
[16:02] <MasterofPuppets> So I'm getting wonky problems with update manager... wants to instal 10 MiB of data, then says "Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 (20090420.1)/dists/jaunty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs"
[16:02] <MasterofPuppets> Ellar: No problem, as a fellow karmic user I know how wonky it is lol
[16:02] <flamez> Pici i run Wubie
[16:02] <flamez> ubuntu installer for windows
[16:02] <Pici> flamez: This channel is only for thed development version of Ubuntu that has not been released yet.  If you are not running 9.10 then you need to ask in either #ubuntu or continue to ask in #kubuntu
[16:02] <daniel_tp> hi, how can i stop networkmanager?
[16:03] <yofel> daniel_tp: 'service network-manager stop' or 'stop network-manager'
[16:03] <drs305> MasterofPuppets: That's because you have the CD enabled in your repositories. It requires the specific CD, even if you have upgraded to a newer edition.
[16:03] <MasterofPuppets> drs305: How do I disable said CD? I don't recall enabling it.
[16:03] <MasterofPuppets> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[16:04] <drs305> I think it's done by default. Synaptic, Settings, Repositories, Untick the CD in the Ubuntu Software tab.
[16:04] <yofel> MasterofPuppets: just disable it in software-properties
[16:04] <yofel> it should be disabled by default
[16:05] <MasterofPuppets> yofel, drs305: thanks. I've got my jaunty CD with me, is there anything to be gained from installing the updates from it?
[16:06] <drs305> Not really, unless you have connection problems or download limits.
[16:06] <yofel> MasterofPuppets: only if you have not network connection
[16:06] <yofel> s/not/no
[16:06] <MasterofPuppets> yofel: I've got a network connection :P Ok, thanks drs305 and yofel!
[16:06]  * MasterofPuppets loves Ubuntu
[16:07] <SEJeff> drs305, That helped sort of. The panel still constantly dies even after that key is unset
[16:09] <SEJeff> Where do you go on ubuntu forums to get to the Karmic specific forums
[16:16] <DanaG> "Uploading lots of exiting new wallpapers for Karmic"
[16:16] <DanaG> =þ
[16:17] <Pici> yep, saw that on the changelog
[16:18] <Pici> Too bad I only have ssh access here :(
[16:28] <wekt> Where are the debugging symbols for the XServers?
[16:29] <wekt> Surprisingly it is not shown as a reverse dependency.  but i found it anyways.
[16:31] <ali1234> i notice karmic has reverted to the old broken "everyone has a 96 dpi screen" behaviour here
[16:31] <ali1234> is this happening to anyone else?
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> Ive not noticed that here.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> how can you tell?
[16:34] <ali1234> well my netbook has a 134 dpi screen
[16:34] <ali1234> in appearence settings, fonts, details
[16:34] <ali1234> is a setting to override the dpi. and on karmic it is set to 96 by default
[16:34] <ali1234> it;s easy to tell when this has happened because by default the fonts are HUGE on 134 dpi netbook screen, if dpi is set correctly
[16:34] <DanaG> hmm, what netbook is that?
[16:35] <ali1234> acer aspire one
[16:35] <DanaG> high-dpi == win.
[16:35] <wekt> ali1234: mine was 96, but my LCD is 96dpi approximately.  my external monitor is higher.  so i don't.
[16:35] <ali1234> and dpi worked properly on previous versions
[16:35] <DanaG> I have a 15" laptop with a 1920x1200 screen (147 DPI), and it's awesome.
[16:35] <leftyfb> Is there a fix for Karmic being dumped into tty0 instead of GDM? I can ALT+F7 to finally start loading GDM, but I shouldn't have to do that.
[16:35] <penguin42> DanaG: Yeh I have one of those at work - it's pretty good - although it can take some setup to get fonts large enough to read
[16:36] <penguin42> DanaG: Although I wish sometimes things would work in landscape mode on it
[16:36] <ali1234> well i suspect somebody "fixed" the issue where none of the dialogs in the install fit on the screen properly by setting dpi to a wrong value, instead of fixing it properly
[16:36] <Dr_Willis> Oh ive not retried the installer.
[16:36] <DanaG> Oh, and update-manager gives "downloading 52.2 kB of ..."
[16:36] <DanaG> It gets truncated.
[16:36] <ali1234> the installer doesnt actually work at the moment on this hardware
[16:36] <DanaG> oh, and for some reason, the edid is broken... it claims to be 22", and vendor "_MS".
[16:37] <DanaG> And the Windows utilities to flash a new EDID, fail to find an EDID EEPROM.
[16:40] <pmatulis> darn, karmic a6 desktop is unuseable in kvm (cannot negotiate a display on first boot)
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> You mean a 'hardware keyboard/monitor switch' type KVM?
[16:44] <pmatulis> no
[16:44] <funkyHat> kernel virtual machine
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> KVM has too many 'alterantive definitions' :) thats why i asked.
[16:53] <KurtKraut> Could anyone running Karmic do me a favor? I've filed this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596320 - I'd like to someone to download the x.html file I've attached to the bug, try to edit it with gedit on karmic and tell me if it segfaults.
[16:53] <nemo> Hm. I'm having a really odd gnome-screensaver problem
[16:53] <nemo> is like some repaint issue
[16:53] <nemo> If I move the mouse or hit a key, the screensaver freezes as you would expect when it is displaying the password dialog
[16:54] <nemo> however, no dialog appears
[16:54] <nemo> if I hit ctrl-alt-f1 then alt-f7 the dialog is there
[16:54] <nemo> I can also type my password blindly, and it signs me in
[16:54] <nemo> using fglrx on this Radeon HD
[16:55] <nemo> but this seems more like a gnome-screensaver flaw
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> KurtKraut:  i can edit it here.
[16:55] <KurtKraut> Dr_Willis, if you type stuff into the HTML file, does gedit crash?
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> I dont know WHY you would want to edit it in gedit.. :)
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> lets see
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> gedit is very sluggish editing it.. but it is editing it.
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> I did get some  GTK warning about
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid text buffer iterator: either the iterator is uninitialized, or the characters/pixbufs/widgets
[16:56] <ds305_> KurtKraut: I can open it with gedit but can't make any changes and eventually it freezes.
[16:57] <KurtKraut> Dr_Willis, is the highlight working?
[16:57] <KurtKraut> ds305_, wow... different behaviours! Are you running what gedit version?
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> i see no highlithging/color codeing..
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> I see Lots and lots of GTK-warning and GTK-Critical messages
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> in the terminal window
[16:57] <KurtKraut> Dr_Willis, I see. That's the data I needed. Thanks for your help. But I need to know what gedit version you're running.
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> gedit 2.28.0
[16:58] <ds305_> KurtKraut:2.28.0   64-bit machine.
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> 64bit here also...
[16:58] <KurtKraut> Thanks Dr_Willis and ds305_ for the data provided.
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Just updates/upgraded today.. at 3 hrs ago
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> heh when i quit gedit it core dumped. :)
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> GtkSourceView:ERROR:gtksourcecontextengine.c:2406:gtk_source_context_engine_finalize: assertion failed: (!ce->priv->first_update)
[17:00] <mbeierl> KurtKraut:  Another 64bit, updated recently, core dumps on entering data into your file
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> Aborted (core dumped)
[17:01] <KurtKraut> mbeierl, that's the behaviour I get with 2.26
[17:05] <mbeierl> KurtKraut: gedit Version: 2.28.0-0ubuntu1
[17:05] <KurtKraut> mbeierl, 64 bits?
[17:05] <KurtKraut> mbeierl, oh yeah, you mentioned before, sorry.
[17:05] <mbeierl> KurtKraut: yep :)
[17:07] <akio> I haven't found a bug for libnotify but mine is currently broken after a safe-upgrade
[17:07] <akio> when i use notify-send foo nothing happens
[17:10] <Eevee> is it possible to get a livecd of the current state of karmic?
[17:10] <dtchen> well, you can get daily spins
[17:11] <dtchen> getting up-to-the-minute live cds is a bit ... hard.
[17:11] <dtchen> e.g., http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20090925/
[17:12] <Eevee> oh there we go
[17:12] <Eevee> actually, might not matter now, my laptop finally booted
[17:12] <Eevee> but thanks anyway, wasn't sure if there were nightly isos or not
[17:12] <dtchen> yes, there are
[17:21] <davidt> Anybody know how to fix a missing KDE session option in 9.10? I did an upgrade the other day and KDE is missing as an option when logging in.
[17:23] <DKcross> hey people, i have one dude..
[17:23] <DKcross> what about new gdml, i cant see menu for configure
[17:23] <DKcross> gdm"
[17:24] <James147> davidt: is it installed?
[17:24] <davidt> James147: Sure is. Installed Kubuntu 9.10 and everything has been running surprisingly smoothly until this last upgrade
[17:25] <James147> davidt: check to see if it is,
[17:25] <akio> my libnotify woes are over
[17:25] <akio> I have no idea how I fixed it but I did do an aptitude reinstall
[17:27] <davidt> james147: dpkg -l |grep kde |wc -l  -> 56. I am not really sure what I am looking for?
[17:27] <davidt> James147: If it is a certain package that is missing then I am a bit lost as to which one :)
[17:28] <zniavre> does the next/previous/pause/play notification-osd are working for you ?
[17:28] <James147> davidt: I know someone lost kwin dure to upgrades
[17:29] <robin0800> davidt: try to reinstal Kubuntu-desktop
[17:30] <augusto> hello guys
[17:30] <augusto> I am using karmic
[17:30] <augusto> As time goes by, my wireless network becomes unresponsive... is it happening with any of you?
[17:30] <robin0800> augusto: no
[17:30] <wastrel> i have intermittent connection loss
[17:30] <wastrel> every couple ofdays
[17:30] <mbeierl> augusto: maybe... I noticed something like that last night but did not investigate
[17:31] <leftyfb> Is there a fix for Karmic being dumped into tty0 instead of GDM? I can ALT+F7 to finally start loading GDM, but I shouldn't have to do that.
[17:31] <augusto> It simply stops responding ... then I have to disconnect/reconnect.. sometimes it doesn't reconnect
[17:32] <robin0800> augusto: there have been a couple of updates to network manager today
[17:33] <robin0800> augusto: and remenber this software is still alpha
[17:33] <Technoviking> leftyfb: reinstalling the kernel packkages
[17:34] <augusto> robin0800: yes yes.. I am just asking to see if it is really a bug
[17:34] <leftyfb> Technoviking: oh? that worked for you?
[17:34] <Technoviking> leftyfb: yup
[17:34] <leftyfb> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic ?
[17:35] <davidt> James147/robin0800: Both kwin and kubuntu-desktop were missing. Thanks! I am installing and restarting X to see if it makes a difference.
[17:37] <Technoviking> leftyfb: I'm lazy gui fool, and used synaptic:), but that should work
[17:39] <davidt> James147/robin0800: I am back in KDE! Thanks for the help you two...
[17:39] <James147> davidt: you might want to file a bug report
[17:41] <leftyfb> Technoviking: that didn't work ... what packages exactly did you pick from synaptic?
[17:41] <davidt> James147: Been thinking about it but I am not sure if a bug report on something breaking inbetween alphas of 9.10 is of interest?
[17:43] <MindVirus> Hello. How can I get a list of packages that are not depended upon by other packages?
[17:43] <alankila> MindVirus: an utility called debfoster happens to do this.
[17:43] <James147> davidt: It might not matter, but it could also cause problems when upgrading from jaunty
[17:43] <James147> davidt: might want to make the devs aware of it
[17:44] <MindVirus> alankila: I already have gtkorphan; will debfoster find packages installed as recommends or suggests?
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> anyone else noticed issue where external flash drives dont get auto mounted?
[17:44] <alankila> I think it uses either one of those to determine whether a package is required by another
[17:44] <davidt> James147: Allright, I'll do it...
[17:44] <alankila> I'm not familiar with gtkorphan.
[17:48] <MindVirus> alankila: thanks!
[17:48] <MindVirus> This is wonderful.
[17:50] <nixternal> !ops
[17:50] <nixternal> keep an eye on Cut-R - he did a nasty in #ubuntu-devel to the topic
[17:50] <Pricey> nixternal: Howdy
[17:51] <Pricey> nixternal: ack
[17:51] <Pricey> nixternal: Gimme a shout if you see it elsewhere?
[17:51] <nixternal> i know the topic can't be changed in here w/o ops, but still it was pretty bad...i already took care of #kubuntu
[17:54] <DKcross> the new GDM have menú for change theme?
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  not at this tme that ive seen.. there are some tweaks ya can do to it.. but no themes yet.
[17:54] <DKcross> where Dr_Willis ?
[17:54] <natewiebe13> speaking of which... there was an update.. but it still doesnt match xsplash at all.. and the artwork deadline has passed.. whats the deal?
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> You had to edit the gdm 'user' gconf settings - someone was in here trying it out the other day
[17:55] <anger> Strange bug I found
[17:55] <natewiebe13> thatd probably be me
[17:55] <DKcross> Dr_Willis,  u know if this GDM is the gnome official gdm ?
[17:56] <Dr_Willis>  No idea
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> given how everyone hates it.. I hope not. :)
[17:56] <anger> If I uncomment config from /etc/php5/conf.d/zend-framework.ini apache2 wont start at all
[17:56] <natewiebe13> DKcross: from what i know, it is
[17:56] <Q-FUNK> hi! is there any known work-around for gdm no longer starting?
[17:56] <DKcross> natewiebe13,  ok!, then i think the develop team is working
[17:57] <anger> include_path hasn't been set in php.ini but imho this shouldn't yet crash apache without any warning
[17:57] <DKcross> in new menu
[17:57] <anger> can someone confirm this?
[18:01] <natewiebe13> being that the artwork deadline has passed.. does that mean gdm is going to stay as-is?
[18:07] <Technoviking> leftyfb: search for linux-image and reinstall the install packages
[18:09] <tgpraveen> !info tracker
[18:09] <James147> natewiebe13: More then likly, although it dose state that "This is the final deadline for inclusion of new artwork in the release." as well as "no more major changes" ->https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkDeadline
[18:10] <DKcross> oh
[18:10] <DKcross> information about GDM http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> thats one for the Bookmarks and FAQ list i bet
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> Im missing somthing about what 'xsplash' actually does.. that URL sort of says that xsplas makes ubuntu boot faster...
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> but i may be missreading.. or they may be confused. :)
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. what that guy is saying to do.. i am pretty sure I tried yesterday and it dident work.
[18:16] <DKcross> :o
[18:16] <DKcross> Dr_Willis,  for me, the xsplash is more slow
[18:17] <DKcross> for mi in my AAO karmic is more slow starting
[18:17] <DKcross> for me"
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> Not tried it on my AAO yet.
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. more tips http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7576112&postcount=365
[18:20] <mbeierl> anyone having slow ipv6 problems?  I seem to be having issues with Java and ipv6 timing out
[18:20] <mx> hello, anyone having /var/log/syslog flooded with errors by devkit-disks-daemon and hald-addon-storage which poll my media card module (SD card, MMC card, Flash card, ...) ?
[18:21] <virtuald> who thought it was a good idea to have this gingerbread theme for christmas?
[18:21] <arand> Funny this. Theme updates plop down, almost completely uncalled for.
[18:22] <natewiebe13> i wouldnt mind it so much if they actually modded the gdm to look like their proposal
[18:24] <ripps> I see that ubuntu is prepping to replace epiphany with epiphany-webkit, the issue is that I've tried it and since the autoscroll is broken for webkit, I want to keep the gecko version
[18:25] <arand> Yea, but that's a pretty big mod though... Although it could really use some smoothness, xsplash-->desktop is just completely different...
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> There we go.. i at least was able to change the GDM wallpaper using that guide.
[18:25] <aboSamoor> the applications started maximized and if the they are maximized the decorator disappear, any idea ?
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> I did it without the console. :) did a 'switch user' to get gdm going.. then ran the commands they said. :)
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> didemnt have to log this user out.
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. someone added a 'toad' wallpaper it seems. :)
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> Wife will LOVE that one.
[18:29] <popey> is anyone else getting a boot sit looping on fsck on karmic?
[18:29] <popey> telling me the mount time is in the future, just looping constantly
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> Yep saw that issue
[18:30] <popey> suggestions?
[18:30] <arand> Hmm, not liking that "Open Source" is the License set for GPL apps in USStore
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> as a dirty fix.. reboot, go to bios.. set your clock ahead a day...
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:30] <drs305> popey: Yeah, I got it yesterday. PITA. There have been updates that I think correct it, but of course you have to be able to update.
[18:30] <popey> nice
[18:30] <popey> i can handle that :)
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> then i update/upgraded.. and i THINK its gone away
[18:30] <popey> thanks
[18:30] <arand> popey: can't you run fsck manually from the terminal?
[18:30] <popey> no
[18:30] <popey> it never gets to a terminal
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> it dosebnt matter if you run it manually or not.
[18:31] <popey> it just sits there running fsck over and over
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> it sets the date for the 'last fsck'd day' wrong.
[18:31] <arand> popey: Or just grab a livecd...
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> it says 'ok it got fscked tommorw.. i better check it - because that cant be right' :)
[18:31] <popey> easier to fudge the date
[18:31] <arand> popey: oh... hmm, that's slightly different then..
[18:31] <drs305> popey:  I did what Dr_Willis did initially about the clock. Then I left it off for six hours to get the time ahead of the "future" time indicated in the error message.
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> theres also some mention of some /etc/default/rcS date
[18:32] <popey> thanks for the tips all! :)
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> to tell the system the clock is either UTC  or Localtime
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> i currently have 'utc=no'
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> good luck.
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> bed time for me.
[18:47] <drs305> ping popey
[19:00] <ccooke> huh. That's mildly scary.
[19:00] <ccooke> ccooke@bauxite:~/gc$ apt-cache search louie
[19:00] <ccooke> E: read, still have 3135460 to read but none left
[19:00] <ccooke> ccooke@bauxite:~/gc$
[19:08] <hifi> if I rebuild a package for ubuntu from debian for my PPA and the original versioning is x.y.z-1, would my PPA version be x.y.z-1ubuntu1~foo or just x.y.z-1~foo when I did no changes to the build whatsoever
[19:11] <yofel> hifi: x.y.z-1~foo is fine
[19:11] <popey> I use ~ppa for the foo
[19:14] <hifi> I'm building for several releases, so I was thinking of x.y.z-1~<nick>1~<rel>, like x.y.z-1~hif1~jaunty etc. would that be overkill?
[19:16] <yofel> hifi: nope, that's how I do it too ;)
[19:16] <hifi> ok, I'll use that :)
[19:17] <yofel> hifi: if you're interested how the version numbers work install the debian-policy package, open /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.pdf.gz and see chapter 5.6.12 - Version
[19:18] <yofel> If you're interested in debian packaging you should read the whole document ;)
[19:18] <hifi> I was under the impression -1 is from debian, ubuntu1 is what ubuntu devs did over debian package and ~ is for PPA and other use which will be overrided with a highger debian or ubuntu release
[19:19] <hifi> of course the number is incrementing, but for example
[19:19] <yofel> more or less yes, if you have no debian changes then you would use -0ubuntu1 or similiar
[19:20] <yofel> a bit tricky is the fact that 3.7-0~ppa is less then 3.7-0
[19:21] <hifi> yeah, I think I knew that
[19:21] <yofel> that's why the ppa manual says for ubuntu package changes to increase the ubuntu number and add ~ppa
[19:21] <hifi> so official releases will always supercede personal ones
[19:21] <virtuald> How can apport say Rhythmbox closed unexpectedly when it's still running?
[19:22] <yofel> virtuald: do you have a line containing 'segfault' in dmesg?
[19:22] <hifi> how long does it take approximately for ppa to process the upload into queue and ppa page?
[19:22] <yofel> hifi: upload usually take no more than 10m. Build time depends on queue length
[19:23] <yofel> iirc there's a cron job that runs every some mins that imports the uploads
[19:23] <hifi> eager to see did the upload succeed
[19:23] <yofel> hifi: if the upload fails you'll get a mail
[19:24] <yofel> and you'll get one too if it succeeds
[19:24] <hifi> right, my ppa naming was incorrect after all
[19:25] <hifi> incoming = ~<your_launchpad_id>/<ppa_name>/ubuntu/
[19:25] <hifi> I set it to ~hifi/hifi/ubuntu/ as my launchpad id is hifi and I created a personal PPA named hifi
[19:26] <yofel> hifi: if you don't use .dput.cf the correct dput line is visible on the ppa main page
[19:26] <hifi> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading is this outdated?
[19:26] <yofel> not that I know of
[19:27] <hifi> I'll use the command launchpad says
[19:29] <Tronic> "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured."
[19:30] <Tronic> Then no disks found and it dropped me to busybox prompt.
[19:30] <Tronic> What now?
[19:30] <leftyfb> Technoviking: that didn't work ... I reinstalled linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic and linux-image-generic although it seems the latter is version 2.6.31-10.21 where the former is 2.6.31-10.35
[19:30] <hifi> yofel: yeah, it works now, thanks again :)
[19:31] <Jaymac> interesting issue on alpha 6 - it loads up fine.. but eventually screen goes black - any press of a button takes me to a terminal and i just have to press Ctrl+Alt+F6 to get to gdm.. anyone else come across this?
[19:31] <tasslehoff> Hi. Wireless worked out of the box on my MPB5.1 in Jaunty, but in Karmic it doesn't work. I have installed the restricted Broadcom drivers without luck. Anyone got any advice on how I can get it working?
[19:31] <vexille> Hello everyone! i have a question about the new sound properties setup if anyone has the time
[19:32] <leftyfb> Jaymac: same here, only it's ALT+F7
[19:32] <yofel> vexille: just fire away, if we know it we'll tell you ;)
[19:32] <leftyfb> Jaymac: i'm being told reinstalling linux-image-generic will fix it, but it's not for me
[19:33] <Jaymac> leftyfb thanks for the tip
[19:35] <vexille> thank you; ok well first of all im on a dell inspiron laptop with a subwoofer on the bottom that is controlled by the "lfe" setting in alsamixer, and using it is no big deal, but it is nice that jaunty lets you highlight it in the properties to have the vollume buttons control it's volume as well as the audio volume, but with the change in the new sound properties i do not know of a way to control the sub; the volume buttons now control the PCM and regu
[19:35] <vexille> lar volume. Is there a way to select what the volume buttons will do like how jaunty is?
[19:36] <vexille> thanks in advance for the help btw
[19:40]  * Tronic feels like in the old Gentoo days, with two of his machines stuck on text terminal, one unable to start X, the other unable to mount root.
[19:42] <penguin42> Tronic: What's the one that won't start X doing? (and what graphics hardware?)
[19:43] <Tronic> Intel, complains about missing agpgart on startx (even though this is a PCI-E-machine), complains about dbus everywhere, no /dev/pts/ which is apparently a problem and some stuff in /proc is also missing.
[19:43] <Jaymac> no joy with that reinstallation
[19:44] <penguin42> Tronic: Ah that problem
[19:44] <penguin42> Tronic: Can you check to see if you have the 'upstart' package installed?
[19:45] <Tronic> penguin42: I do.
[19:45] <penguin42> Tronic: Damn - the other guy yesterday didn't
[19:45] <Tronic> Let me reboot and see if this one will fail to mount root too, then :)
[19:45] <penguin42> Tronic: So you are missing /dev/pts and /dev/agpgart?
[19:46] <cumulus007> Hi, my sound card doesn't work with Phonon anymore
[19:46] <cumulus007> When I started up KDE some minutes ago, I got a message about the absence of my sound card
[19:47] <cumulus007> they are still in the device list in the Multimedia section of System Settings, but they are greyed out
[19:47] <cumulus007> ALSA still works fine, since aplay works flawlessly
[19:47] <Tronic> penguin42: Boots all the way to the desktop now :)
[19:47] <Tronic> Apparently some upgrade since yesterday fixed it.
[19:47] <penguin42> Tronic: Cool!
[19:48] <Tronic> The boot is also getting really fast nowadays :)
[19:49] <penguin42> ideally systems should boot by the time you reach for the power button
[20:07] <[GuS]> Hi guys.. since i am using Kubuntu karmic i am experiencing small delays when typing into a konsole, Is this a know bug? before never happened
[20:22] <td123> so did the devs realize pidgin was better than empathy? :P
[20:22] <td123> since a recent update installed pidgin
[20:22] <Guest81553> hi
[20:23] <td123> hi
[20:23] <Guest81553> how cna i manually create a xorg.conf?
[20:23] <td123> Guest81553: is there a reason why you need to?
[20:24] <Guest81553> yes. my fonts are too big and i want to add :
[20:24] <Guest81553> wait
[20:24] <Guest81553> DisplaySize 336 252 # 96 DPI @ 1024x768
[20:25] <ali1234> Guest81553: so you want to set an incorrect dpi instead of setting the font sizes to something reasonable? system->prefs->appearence->fonts->details
[20:26] <ali1234> override the dpi there
[20:26] <td123> Guest81553: yup, just what ali1234 said :) I was looking there myself
[20:26] <Guest81553> yes, but then kdm has anymore too big fonts:)
[20:26] <Guest81553> i made that already
[20:27] <Guest81553> but kdm should also have normal fonts...
[20:27] <ali1234> on kde? no idea then. kde has notoriously bad dpi support
[20:27] <ali1234> it's one of the reasons i stopped using it
[20:27] <ali1234> every time i rebooted my fonts were a different size
[20:27] <Guest81553> also your descroption to the path for dpi change is bad, because i couldn't read were i'm
[20:28] <ali1234> it;s only valid on gnome
[20:28] <Guest81553> xorg.conf should make that
[20:28] <Guest81553> DisplaySize 336 252 # 96 DPI @ 1024x768
[20:28] <Guest81553> that should works or?
[20:29] <ali1234> td123: i didn't notice pidgin getting installed, and i did a clean install today
[20:29] <ali1234> had to do it manually
[20:30] <penguin42> ali1234: I think empathy is the default now for some reason
[20:30] <ali1234> it is
[20:31] <td123> ali1234: did you fully update your system?
[20:31] <ali1234> yes
[20:31] <ali1234> i installed from pxe boot and then did an update
[20:31] <td123> let me check..
[20:33] <td123> yup
[20:33] <td123> it automatically installed pidgin when I used the update manager.
[20:34] <Tronic> The kernel finds my disks but no sd* devices appear under /dev/ (in busybox shell).
[20:34] <Tronic> Any ideas on what could be causing this?
[20:35] <ali1234> in my opinion empathy should not even be considered until they fix all the problems with multi user chat and irc
[20:35] <ali1234> and make it possible to have a theme that actually honours system font settings
[20:35] <ali1234> i notice rhythmbox is back too so i guess we're saved from banshee for a while too
[20:36] <ali1234> Tronic: is it a booting problem?
[20:36]  * td123 personally prefers pidgin/rhythmbox
[20:36] <ali1234> i prefer banshee but i don't prefer the extra 50% cpu load it brings
[20:36] <pwnguin> rhythmbox has been failing at my 60 second science podcast
[20:36] <td123> over empathy/banshee
[20:36] <pwnguin> i need to test on ubuntu+1
[20:36] <pwnguin> but it's verra annoying
[20:37] <td123> pwnguin: do you know the reason?
[20:37] <Tronic> ali1234: Yes, fails to mount root.
[20:37] <pwnguin> td123: im not sure; in the past there's been something with the xml having a leading space in the URLs
[20:37] <ali1234> Tronic: i had a similar problem, hence having to do a pxe install
[20:38] <ali1234> Tronic: i think it is hardware related. wht hardware do you have?
[20:38] <td123> pwnguin: just input the url directly
[20:38] <Tronic> I got this after doing a dist-upgrade a few hours back.
[20:38] <pwnguin> td123: that defeats the purpose of a podcast
[20:38] <Tronic> The kernel detects the disks fine, doesn't seem like hardware issue.
[20:38] <Tronic> Running Intel-based motherboard.
[20:38] <td123> pwnguin: I'm trying to help you figure out the problem, not put a bandage on it
[20:38] <ali1234> yep same here. although for me it was a problem actually booting the install medium
[20:39] <pwnguin> td123: well, it would help you if i werent at work :P
[20:39] <td123> pwnguin: oh
[20:39] <ali1234> works ok after install
[20:39] <td123> nvm :)
[20:39] <pwnguin> rhythmbox also doesn't handle video podcasts
[20:40] <pwnguin> so ive sorta forced liferea to handle them, but poorly
[20:40] <Tronic> Let me try creating the devices manually.
[20:40] <Tronic> If I still remember how to use mknod
[20:41] <Mit> got an interesting one with the Karmic beta - I wondered if anyone would be able to help - every boot i get Ubiquity firing asking me 4 questiosn to "complete the install"
[20:43] <Mit> only effects one machine
[20:43] <Mit> the other is fine :/
[20:44] <ali1234> what are the 4 questions?
[20:45] <Mit> Language, Timezone, Keyboard Layout and Create a User
[20:46] <penguin42> and how are you answering htem?
[20:46] <Mit> correctly
[20:46] <pwnguin> nothing about your name or quest? or airspeed velocities of unladen swallows?
[20:46] <Mit> English, London, UK and either... the details of an already existing user, or a fictional new user
[20:46] <penguin42> hmm not unusual answers
[20:46] <Mit> nope
[20:47] <ali1234> that is really bizarre
[20:47] <Mit> its every boot it brings it up
[20:48] <Mit> bareable cos most of the time its booted and on for hours, but i'd like to get rid of it if at all possible :)
[20:49] <hifi> ppa will build -data packages as well?
[20:51] <Tronic> Okay, adding the devices manually, I could assemble the RAID array for root.
[20:51] <Tronic> How do I proceed from here?
[20:52] <Tronic> Mount to pivot_root and something?
[20:52] <Tronic> Or is it just /root
[20:53]  * Tronic is not very familiar with initrd environment.
[20:55] <penguin42> Tronic: You can take the initrd apart on another machine - it's normally a gzip'd cpio
[20:55] <Tronic> I want to boot normally from the busybox shell.
[20:55] <BUGabundo> howdy
[20:56] <Tronic> Maybe exiting the shell will do the trick? I just don't want to try as setting everything up manually requires a lot of work if that only reboots the machine.
[20:57] <Eevee> Tronic: I'm under the impression that exiting busybox will continue the boot from where it left off, but you may want to wait for a second opinion
[20:58] <Martyn> ubuntu one is live, eh?
[20:58] <Martyn> Working so far.  I'm uploading ~1.8Gb to see
[21:01] <BUGabundo> Martyn: lol
[21:01] <Martyn> Well, we're supposed to have 2Gb of storage, right?
[21:01] <Martyn> -grin-
[21:01] <Mit> hehe Martyn
[21:01] <Martyn> Damnit, can't get a connection
[21:01] <Martyn> Ack.
[21:01] <Mit> 2Gb 'free' ?
[21:02] <Martyn> free
[21:02] <Mit> :D
[21:02] <Mit> taht could be tempting
[21:02] <Martyn> Urgh ... okay, that was a pile of fail
[21:02]  * Mit moves between ubuntu machines often :/
[21:02] <Martyn> This machine isn't able to add itself to ubuntu one
[21:02] <Martyn> I think I might need to remove the credential file, and let it try to log in again
[21:03] <Martyn> You haven't added any computers or devices to your Ubuntu One account. To get started please visit the installation details.
[21:03] <Martyn> Damn
[21:03] <Martyn> I'll do it a couple more times, to allow the Ubuntu One crew to have some debug info
[21:07] <Martyn> Oh well :)
[21:20] <tasslehoff> Hi. Wireless worked out of the box on my MPB5.1 in Jaunty, but in Karmic it doesn't work. I have installed the restricted Broadcom drivers without luck. Anyone got any advice on how I can get it working?
[21:24] <Amaranth> any of you guys have nvidia cards on amd64 want to test a compiz package for me?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> me me me
[21:25] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~amaranth/compiz/compiz-core_0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[21:25] <BUGabundo> grrr
[21:25] <BUGabundo> change packages?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> me no wanti
[21:25] <BUGabundo> what's does it do?
[21:25] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: It works around bug 160164 so we can turn off unredirect fullscreen windows for nvidia users
[21:25] <Amaranth> err, wrong number
[21:25] <BUGabundo> haha
[21:26] <Amaranth> bug 160264
[21:26]  * BUGabundo cheks
[21:27] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: If you're up to it you just have to install that package, run `compiz` in the terminal, open ccsm and disable unredirect fullscreen windows, then lock your screen
[21:27] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Hopefully you'll get some terminal output at that point
[21:27] <Amaranth> make sure you start compiz _then_ disable that option though
[21:28] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: If this works it'll fix about a dozen bugs for nvidia users, most them of them related to gaming while using compiz
[21:31] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: but I'm already running compzi
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I can't leave without it nowadays
[21:31] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Right, this will restart compiz with the new package so you can test my change
[21:33] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:33]  * BUGabundo gets ready to kill all his windows
[21:33] <Amaranth> no need for that
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I'm mean WM possition
[21:34] <Amaranth> I thought we fixed that
[21:34] <Amaranth> anyway, this is what running development versions is all about :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:35] <BUGabundo> installjng
[21:35] <BUGabundo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of compiz-core:
[21:35] <BUGabundo>  compiz-core depends on compiz-wrapper (= 1:0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu3); however:
[21:35] <BUGabundo>   Version of compiz-wrapper on system is 1:0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu2.
[21:35] <BUGabundo> dpkg: error processing compiz-core (--install):
[21:35] <BUGabundo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:35] <BUGabundo>  compiz-core
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: ^^^^^^^^^
[21:36] <Amaranth> d'oh, too strict of a dependency
[21:36] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~amaranth/compiz/compiz-wrapper_0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[21:36] <penguin42> well, or supposed to be exactly matching pair
[21:36] <Amaranth> you'll have to install them at the same time
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:37] <Amaranth> sudo dpkg -i compiz-core-blah.deb compiz-wrapper-blah.deb
[21:37] <BUGabundo> eh eh
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I'm no noob :D
[21:37] <Amaranth> penguin42: Nah, we just needed to update compiz-wrapper at the same time as compiz-core once to prevent a crash that was later fixed anyway
[21:37] <BUGabundo> done
[21:37] <BUGabundo> so $compiz; lock
[21:37] <BUGabundo> and come back
[21:37] <Amaranth> no
[21:38] <BUGabundo> no ?
[21:38] <Amaranth> run `compiz` then once it starts open system->preferences->compizconfig settings manager, go into general options, uncheck unredirect fullscreen windows, then lock your screen
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ohh
[21:38] <BUGabundo> lulz
[21:38] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: after that look at the terminal and see if it said anything
[21:39] <BUGabundo> trace ;:(
[21:39] <BUGabundo> 7f78ac141000-7f78ac179000 r-xp 00000000 08:02 1966476                    /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5Aborted (core dumped)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> pastebining
[21:39] <mrmcq2u_> anyone any idea why update manager is trying to  install pidgin on my system?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/278233/
[21:39] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: it crashed when you unchecked that?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> no
[21:39] <BUGabundo> after I start compiz
[21:40] <BUGabundo> fell back to what ever was a fallback setting
[21:40] <BUGabundo> I'm on metacity it seems
[21:40] <BUGabundo> BUAUAUAUAUA
[21:41] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: oh, that's not related
[21:41] <BUGabundo> righ
[21:41] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: that's the bug where the nvidia driver dies when compiz exits
[21:41] <BUGabundo> so try and try again
[21:41] <BUGabundo> until it works?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:41] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: But the old compiz started metacity for you
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yeah I think so
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I'm subbe to it
[21:41] <BUGabundo> wasn't it fixed?
[21:41] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: so run `compiz` again and it'll work
[21:41] <Amaranth> no, it's an nvidia bug
[21:41] <Amaranth> nvidia bugs never get fixed :P
[21:41] <BUGabundo> should I kill this one ?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> _p
[21:42] <Amaranth> you mean this metacity?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> what ever is holding the CLI
[21:42] <BUGabundo> aftre I started compiz
[21:42] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: If you press enter you don't get the prompt back?
[21:42] <AlanBell> anyone tried the alternate CD recently?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> ib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5Aborted (core dumped)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3e00005 (Quick Sear)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
[21:42] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: nope
[21:42] <BUGabundo> that's why I asked
[21:42] <AlanBell> bug 435931
[21:42] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Those are pretty common
[21:42] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok, open a new terminal and run it there
[21:42] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:43] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Then this one will give the prompt back but you don't want to go without a WM
[21:43] <BUGabundo> seems better Amaranth
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok so compiz is running now?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <Amaranth> stop that :)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <Tekno> :E
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-panel
[21:43] <Amaranth> dude
[21:43] <Tekno> stfu!
[21:44] <Amaranth> you're supposed to uncheck the box now so it stops saying that :P
[21:44] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok, now uncheck that box in ccsm
[21:44] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:44] <BUGabundo> it moved under my mouse
[21:44] <jbuncher> anyone know if libstdc++5 will be brought back in karmic?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> I just wanted one line :(
[21:44] <Amaranth> jbuncher: Seems unlikely
[21:44] <BUGabundo> what box was it ?
[21:44] <Amaranth> jbuncher: Why do you need it?
[21:45] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: ccsm, general options, unredirect fullscreen windows
[21:45] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Then verify compiz stops spitting out that line about gnome-panel
[21:45] <BUGabundo> can't see it :(
[21:45] <BUGabundo> ahhh saw it
[21:45] <BUGabundo> stoped
[21:46] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: ccsm
[21:46] <jbuncher> Amaranth:  Some binaries still depend on it, such as mathematica 6
[21:46] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: alright, now lock your screen and see if it says unredirecting window: gnome-screensaver
[21:46] <jbuncher> Amaranth:  I don't need libstdc++5 to be *supported*, just for it to exist as a package.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> ctrl+alt+L aint working
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nor is FUSA
[21:47] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Is gnome-screensaver running?
[21:47]  * BUGabundo checks if screensaver is on
[21:47] <BUGabundo> settings says so
[21:47] <BUGabundo> let me check the pid
[21:47] <natewiebe13> just did a fresh install of 9.10 daily build and did an update and pidgin showed up as a "(new install)".. does that mean they are switching back from empathy or..??
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nothing here Amaranth
[21:48] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: ok, run `gnome-screensaver &` then lock your screen :)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> shouldn't that *be* running already?
[21:48] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: No, it's most likely that pidgin-indicator got added as a recommends for the indicator-applet so it's getting pulled in
[21:48] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-screensaver
[21:48] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: It should be but for some reason it isn't for you
[21:49] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok, try making firefox fullscreen, see if it says anything about it
[21:49] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:49] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok, big test now
[21:49] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I lost my compiz full screen shortcut
[21:49] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: In the fusa applet click on the guest session, wait for it to login, then logout of it
[21:49] <BUGabundo> super+f11
[21:49] <BUGabundo> all my shorcuts actually
[21:50] <BUGabundo> we have guest back??
[21:50] <BUGabundo> w00t
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I just re-added fusa yesterday
[21:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:51] <BUGabundo> trying Guest session
[21:51] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: we can debug that one afterward, you probably hit bug 430981 and just haven't logged out since it was fixed :)
[21:52] <BUGabundo> hoaw CPU spkie
[21:52] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: this is a fresh reboot
[21:52] <BUGabundo>  21:52:22 up  1:31,  7 users,  load average: 1.09, 0.80, 0.49
[21:52] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Ok when you came back from the guest session did you have to unlock the screen?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I _think_ I got a bunch of this
[21:52] <BUGabundo> unredirecting window: gnome-screensaver
[21:52] <BUGabundo> while on Guest
[21:53] <Amaranth> Right, that's expected
[21:53] <BUGabundo> yes I had
[21:53] <Amaranth> And the screensaver window wasn't all white?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:53] <Amaranth> BUG FIXED
[21:53] <Amaranth> thanks so much
[21:53] <BUGabundo> well
[21:53] <Amaranth> you'll probably want to sudo apt-get install compiz-core/karmic compiz-wrapper/karmic now and restart compiz
[21:53] <BUGabundo> can I kill both of them now?
[21:53]  * penguin42 still has the problem of not getting screen lock when I hibernate
[21:54] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: can I keep yours
[21:54] <BUGabundo> until you up it to archibe?
[21:54] <_kurt_> has anyone gotten tor to work on karmic?
[21:54] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I wouldn't, that unredirecting window junk will fill up .xsession-errors
[21:54] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:56] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: this darn thing won't let me force a lower version now :(
[21:56] <_kurt_> I tried installing from source but got a lot of lib dependency issues...
[21:56] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: sudo apt-get install compiz-core/karmic compiz-wrapper/karmic
[21:56] <Amaranth> I do that all the time
[21:56] <Tronic> Okay, fixed the problem.
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ahh that /karmic is cool
[21:57] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: btw, the CPU spike was caused by my patch so I've got a bit more to tweak before this gets into ubuntu :)
[21:57] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1:0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu2
[21:57] <Tronic> Had to manually mount the root, chroot into it, mount a few other things, reinstall udev, update-initramfs
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: it waint downgrading
[21:57] <Tronic> Now both Karmic boxes seem to be working properly :)
[21:58] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: ubuntu2 is the one you want
[21:58] <BUGabundo> dpkg: warning: downgrading compiz-core from 1:0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu3 to 1:0.8.3+git20090917-0ubuntu2.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> although it sais it would
[21:58] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: mine is ubuntu3
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ok oh
[21:58] <BUGabundo> re-started compiz
[21:58] <BUGabundo> will schedule a reboot for latter
[21:58] <BUGabundo> now let me see what's up with shorcut
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I though that had been fixed
[21:59] <Eevee> hm.  booting this karmic laptop is taking a couple minutes, and syslog has several ~28s pauses.  looks like two for each of the ext4 partitions on my sata drive
[21:59] <BUGabundo> guess I could use the workaround, turn effects off, and on
[22:00] <yofel> Eevee: try bootchart, it makes a graph of your boot and shows what process takes how much time
[22:01] <Eevee> ah right, thanks
[22:01] <Eevee> does it need any setup beyond just installing it?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Eevee: then hack your boot chart script
[22:01] <BUGabundo> so it counts *past* GDM :)
[22:01] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/karmic/
[22:02] <BUGabundo> see mine
[22:03] <Eevee> haha, is it really that useful to see how long gnome-do runs at boot?  :P
[22:03] <tormod> BUGabundo, I believe it does that by default now
[22:03] <BUGabundo> tormod: does it????
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I haven't got any update
[22:03] <BUGabundo> asking me to change my script
[22:04] <Eevee> oh, hey.  does the karmic notify bubble sanely handle not having a top panel?
[22:04] <Eevee> in jaunty the notification daemon gives up and spawns the bubbles in the top right on my second monitor, which is right where I'm least likely to notice them
[22:05] <yofel> BUGabundo: wich file did you edit again?
[22:05] <yofel> s/wich/which
[22:05]  * BUGabundo checking
[22:05] <tormod> BUGabundo, it is controlled by upstart now (not sure how it is stopped) so there is no bootchart link in /etc/rc2.d
[22:06] <BUGabundo> /etc/rc5.d/S99stop-bootchart
[22:06] <BUGabundo> right
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I see its missing now :8
[22:06] <tormod> rc5? that is for reboot or something
[22:06] <BUGabundo> they are all links AFAIK
[22:07] <BUGabundo> /etc/init/bootchart.conf
[22:07] <BUGabundo> /etc/init.d/bootchart
[22:07] <BUGabundo> ???
[22:07] <yofel> yes, all files in rcX.d are symlinks
[22:08] <yofel> aaaah, bootchart.conf line 30: sleep 45 XD
[22:08] <BUGabundo> let me look at conf
[22:08] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: bootchart now runs until your desktop is loaded and everything is finished starting
[22:08] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[22:08] <BUGabundo> they did what *I DID*
[22:08] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: So I get a nice 1:15 bootchart :/
[22:09] <Amaranth> oh, they just did a sleep?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: check all my karmic bootcharts
[22:09] <Amaranth> bleh
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I've done that FOR ever
[22:09] <Eevee> hahaha what a hack
[22:09] <yofel> hehe
[22:09] <Amaranth> So now I need to spot on my bootchart where my boot actually finished
[22:09] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: just look for GDM
[22:09] <BUGabundo> but in truth
[22:10] <yofel> BUGabundo: I guess you advertised your way just enough :P
[22:10] <BUGabundo> it doesn't really end THERE
[22:10] <BUGabundo> yofel: :p
[22:10] <BUGabundo> 45 is *not* enough for me :d
[22:10]  * BUGabundo checks own bootcharts
[22:11] <Eevee> http://stuff.veekun.com/rukushio-karmic-20090925-1.png  yeah this doesn't seem right
[22:11] <BUGabundo> my GDM is at 31 sec
[22:12] <BUGabundo> it was at 22 on ealier karmic
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I even manged to have a few on 19
[22:13] <BUGabundo> it takes ~15 after GDM for me to have _some_ control of the pc
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bua
[22:13] <Amaranth> With jaunty clean install I got to gdm in 15-17 seconds
[22:13] <Amaranth> I get the same now but only because gdm is now starting before the boot is finished :/
[22:14] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: check my jaunty bootcharts too
[22:14] <BUGabundo> lolol
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I have them all since 8.04
[22:14] <BUGabundo> from two laptops
[22:14] <Amaranth> I once worked with jdong and got an older laptop to gdm in 25 seconds (instead of 40) by writing our own upstart boot scripts
[22:14] <Amaranth> well, he did most of the work
[22:26] <ulysses__> hello, i would know, what is the default video player of kubuntu karmic koala?
[22:28] <penguin42> is it Dragon player? that used tobe - not sure on Karmic
[22:30] <ulysses__> i hasn't got an alpha iso yet, and my network connection is slow
[22:33] <ulysses__> thanks, bye
[22:44] <Tronic> How can I make Rhythmbox use Pulseaudio?
[22:44] <Tronic> It seems to be using ALSA directly and when that fails, it says that plugin "autoaudiosink" is missing.
[22:50] <danellisuk> Can anyone point me to which package I should raise a cdrom issue under?
[22:50] <danellisuk> Karmic by the way, so think it may be a regression due to the change from hal.
[22:51] <danellisuk> Would udev be a suitable place to assign it, if i'm not sure?
[22:52] <dragon> danellisuk: what kind of issue is it?
[22:53] <danellisuk> no cds / dvds will mount
[22:53] <danellisuk> in nautalus the cdrom disappears after inserting the dvd.  The following is listed in dmesg:
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.637053] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.637092] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.714857] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.714916] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.714925] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.715116] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.715174] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <danellisuk> [   71.715226] sr 4:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer
[22:54] <dragon> hm interesting
[22:54] <danellisuk> you cannot eject the cdrom via hardware button, only with 'eject cdrom1'
[22:54] <dragon> oh
[22:54] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: fix uploaded, hopefully it gets accepted to get into the beta release otherwise it'll be in the repos right after the release
[22:55] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: thanks for the help with testing
[22:55] <danellisuk> happens on both my cdroms, my jaunty partition, has no issues.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> np
[22:55] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: and thanks for the devoice /rant
[22:55] <Amaranth> heh
[22:56] <danellisuk> I am on alpha 6 + all updates.  I didn't test the cdrom up till now, so not sure if it is due to a recent update.
[23:02] <uni4dfx> whoever made the new shutdown screen in karmic is a freakin' genius
[23:02] <uni4dfx> i wanna buy him beer
[23:03] <danellisuk> I have just noticed #431055 "gnome doesn't 'see' cdroms/dvds", sounds exactly my experience.
[23:03] <KurtKraut> Since Karmic artwork deadline was yesterday, in what wiki I can check the final artwork?
[23:04] <yofel> hm, bug 431055
[23:04] <Tronic> uni4dfx: Heh.
[23:04] <Tronic> I was quite impressed by the simplicity too.
[23:05] <uni4dfx> and the way it dims out is so perfect
[23:05] <Tronic> They also have dimming effect on bootup.
[23:05] <Tronic> Displaying the text console for a moment after dimming out kind spoils the effect, though.
[23:06] <Tronic> With blinking cursor in the corner and sometimes a few error messages.
[23:06] <uni4dfx> probably isn't finished yet
[23:13] <homerhomer> Hey, I noticed a bug in gnome-panel that happens with you resize the window. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/process_bug.cgi   So I added some information on the gnome bug report and a little video to show the issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akGH16BdGc0 what do you guys think of the video?  Bah ha ha
[23:14] <helios1021> the music certainly adds to it
[23:15] <homerhomer> I think any video works with that music  ;)
[23:15] <helios1021> lol true
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> hey
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> what wallpaper is the default for you guys on karmic?
[23:23] <helios1021> i dont know what it will be
[23:23] <helios1021> coz there was an update and i now have loads of cool wallpapers
[23:23] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[23:23] <helios1021> not the usual 3 brown/orange ones
[23:23] <EruditeHermit> what did it default you to though?
[23:23] <EruditeHermit> is it an orangey brown?
[23:23] <helios1021> yeah
[23:24] <EruditeHermit> someone said the login should look like this
[23:24] <EruditeHermit> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SrwNNZ_JEYI/AAAAAAAADM8/oZ5p_A84zN8/s1600-h/image%5B7%5D.png
[23:24] <EruditeHermit> and mine definitely does not
[23:26] <helios1021> niether does mine
[23:26] <helios1021> mine has the gray gtk look
[23:34] <jaebird> Is there a way to disable the username selection in the new GDM? I don't want people to see usernames.
[23:34] <danellisuk> Thanks guys, I have added my issue to https://launchpad.net/bugs/431055 so the previous fix may have been broken by something else.  Goodnight.
[23:35] <AlanBell> is it just me or is the touchpad click action disabled by default?
[23:35] <jbuncher> AlanBell, that happened to me as well, though I installed from Alpha5.
[23:36] <KurtKraut> jaebird, it is a matter of choosing a theme that doesn't show the user list, just request the login to be typed in
[23:36] <helios1021> jaebird: not that i can tell. u can either choose from list or auto-login
[23:36] <helios1021> which i think is stupid
[23:36] <jbuncher> jaebird:  agreed, that's annoying
[23:36] <jaebird> KurtKraut: the gui is diff now...but that would be nice to add back
[23:37] <helios1021> KurtKraut: how do u set themes in karmic?
[23:37] <AlanBell> jbuncher: I guess some people find it annoying to click on things accidentally
[23:38] <AlanBell> helios1021: system-preferences-appearance, same as Jaunty
[23:38] <Ian_> i hate tap to click
[23:39] <helios1021> i meant gdm themes
[23:39] <jbuncher> helios1021:  there's no gui for it atm, but I think you can still do it manually somehow, if you know where to edit.
[23:40] <jaebird> Does anyone know if the gui will be changed by karmic? or is this for lynx now
[23:41] <danellisuk> ubottu, where would you say the file 60-persistent-storage.rules should be located ?
[23:41] <robin0800> helios1021:  there is an install buton on the theme tab a also a customise button on change desktop background
[23:41] <penguin42> ubottu: apt-file is your friend
[23:42] <penguin42> oops, I meant that for danellisuk
[23:42] <danellisuk> haha, doh !
[23:42] <helios1021> lol
[23:42] <helios1021> why is loz growling?
[23:42] <helios1021> oops
[23:42] <helios1021> ignore that
[23:42]  * penguin42 wants to know who loz is now
[23:43] <helios1021> my mate.. she wrote grrrr in a group convo im having in the other window
[23:49] <helios1021> so what do you guys think about the way gnome is trying to integrate everything now?
[23:51] <penguin42> it is?
[23:51] <Eevee> in what sense?  I only get the occasional glimpse into gnome development
[23:55] <dupondje> Is it possible to sync WM6.1 device with Karmic ?