[00:05] night kwwii [00:36] new gdm rocks [00:36] :D [00:37] well done kwwii :D :P looks sweet :D [00:37] hmm [00:56] knome - have you tried it yet? [00:56] nope [00:56] it looks real nice :D [00:56] and i'm not sure if i will - i use xubuntu [00:56] ah [00:57] and actually, i'm one of the guys working for the gdm theme for xubuntu ;) [00:57] cool [00:57] you are right, it's going to be cool [00:59] :) [00:59] is it similar to the ubuntu one? [01:00] i can't remember if i have seen the ubuntu one, but i can definitely say it's going to be different [01:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic#Wallpaper [01:00] something like that... [01:02] nice [01:02] the wallpaper sort of reminds me of fedora 11 [01:02] :) [01:02] hmm. [01:02] okay [01:03] not a bad thing [01:03] :D [01:03] thanks then ;) [01:03] just the texture is similar [01:03] yeah, maybe a bit [01:03] the final image is going to differ from that a bit at least [01:04] adding some more texture and putting some subtle highlights here and there [01:07] cool [01:09] yeah.. i think so [01:09] if only i had the time [08:02] hello / bonjour [08:04] i tried to setup gdm as kkwwi told us yesterday but it does not work [08:04] does murrine set with rgba ON can 't work ? [08:37] the metacity in gdm works only for the visual keyboard not for the main loginwindow right ? [09:37] zniavre: ? [09:38] zniavre: it should be themed (black and white) but the variables have to be set [09:38] kwwii, ok im trying to understand how it works [09:39] zniavre: currently in order to make it work you have to set 3 gconf keys in the ystem-wide defaults and then update everything [09:40] it is not a normal process yet [09:42] on wich window metacity must be displayed ? (login or visual , or both ) [09:43] the gtk theme and metacity theme are both named HumanLogin [09:43] yes i saw this [09:44] I explained the process last night [09:44] yes i tried it with succesfull for gtkrc [09:45] then it should work for metacity as well [09:45] but not on the login "stuff" [09:47] hrm, you set the keys right? [09:47] i modified cursor-theme and gtk they work well [09:47] yes i set as you said yesterday night [09:48] /apps/metacity/general/theme should be HumanLogin [09:48] lol, last night I said there is 17 but there are two 16's instead [09:49] yes [09:49] :o) [09:58] kwwii: the new human theme , is that the final version or...? [10:00] could it be a bit more black and less brown ;) [10:01] mac_v: I am expecting to tweak it a bit, depending on the feedback [10:01] there is already one bug, so there are still changes coming [10:01] \o/ [10:02] it's not bad. but unfortunately it's limited by that pile of crap called murrine ;P [10:02] * mac_v likes the human login theme better ;p [10:03] kwwii: why dont we use the human login theme , it looks good :) [10:05] * mac_v would like a blend of the human login style with the present human theme color [10:08] aahh the login theme is totalllllllllllly awesome [10:08] mac_v: that is a pretty radical change [10:09] yeah , but why not ;p ... [10:09] mac_v: set the bg color a bit lighter (it is black currently) and it is pretty nice to use [10:09] mac_v: my face is totally awesome! they should base all the artwork on that! xD [10:09] darkmatter: i dont think so ^ ;p [10:20] kwwii: /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_active_opacity , setting this to 0.6 makes the theme look even better , you could use the transparency as the default for the login screen [10:20] or maybe 0.7 [10:20] mac_v: gdm does not run with compositing [10:20] aw ;( [10:20] if it works on your normal desktop, it could but it was a decision to make it work better on all computers [10:20] the idea is to get to that point fast [10:20] I don't need my login window to wobble :P [10:23] * darkmatter checks kwwii s temperature. yup. fever [10:31] * darkmatter feeds gnome-shell to mac_v and watches him die a horrifyingly painful death [10:32] gnome-shell is poisonous? [10:34] thorwil: you doubt? :o [10:35] * mac_v isnt able to use gnome-shell , the driver fails [10:35] darkmatter: i havn't tried it, yet. from what i've seen, it suspiciously looks like going into another room to add something to your current room ... [10:35] hehe ^ [10:37] thorwil: I find it yet another horrible example of 'bah... testing is for n00bs! we're developers! usability experts and interface designers be damned!' [10:38] thorwil: morgen, did you see the wallpapers? [10:39] kwwii: do you refer to Ivankas mail from wednesday? if so, yes [10:40] darkmatter: i'm not sure, but i think there were ux people around when gnome-shell was conceived [10:41] thorwil: no, I wondered whether you had seen the 19 that made it onto the CD :) [10:41] kwwii: nope [10:42] thorwil. I've used gnome-shell and still do occasionally. if there were ux people they were obviously either drunk or stoned at the time... [10:43] darkmatter: already tried to point out the flaws on their mailing list? i admit that i wouldn't expect much from that, but worth a try [10:43] * mac_v going to rip off kwwii's login theme and make a black theme usable as a system theme ;) [10:44] thorwil: I gave up pointing out flaws to developers YEARS ago. total waste of energy and time [10:45] hey [10:46] hi psyke83 [10:46] darkmatter: my involvement led to changes in a few apps and there are developers who actively ask me for my opinion sometimes. so i have a different experience [10:47] thorwil: lucky you. [10:47] kwwii: you made an almost functional black theme http://imagebin.ca/view/4pb0Eww.html ... you rock... [10:49] well, it wasn't all my work ;) [10:49] psyke83: hey, there is some bug about the new gtk...let me find it [10:49] ok [10:50] is it checkmarks being black in some apps? [10:50] wow, looking through bugs is amazing...get this one: [10:50] Metacity doesn't look Tango compliant [10:51] bug #436066 Human theme vertical scroolbars have borders on maximized windows [10:51] but what if tango doesn't look metacity compliant? ;) [10:51] Launchpad bug 436066 in human-theme "Human theme vertical scroolbars have borders on maximized windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436066 [10:51] lol? why does.. actually no... etf does a wm have to do with an icon design style? oO [10:51] thorwil: more importantly what is tangacity is not mango compliant? [10:52] kwwii: i guess that's about there being a gap between screen edge and active area of the scrollbar. that would be a valid concern [10:52] kwwii: yes, I'm aware of this bug. Changing the trough border to 0 will fix it [10:52] Indeed, I am going to update my test machine now I think [10:52] tangacity? round look with thin stripes? :) [10:52] I was hoping to get a hold of Andrea to see if he knew a way around this [10:53] (without removing the trough) [10:53] no, it is a drab desaturated vertical gradient with a really thick line around the outside ;) [10:55] isn't that two thicklines, one white and one black, so that the deco looks equally cartoonish against light and dark backgrounds? :P [11:08] kwwii: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4594/trough0.png [11:08] that's with the trough set to 0, which would resolve the problem that you can't click on the scrollbar from the rightmost part of the screen [11:08] it loses some coherency, though - the scrollbar has sharp edges [11:09] psyke83: yeah, I like the trough, but on a maximised window it causes problems [11:09] which sucks [11:10] I think we have gone back and forth on this one in the past. [11:10] no, we were thinking about going back and forth ;) [11:11] there was also a bug in firefox related to troughs, and asack asked for us to ship the theme with the trough at 2 to bring it to the mozilla dev's attention [11:12] that's fixed in the 3.6 alpha, dunno if it will be fixed for us in karmic [11:13] one thing we could do is set the global roundness to 0, to make everything se [11:13] *everything square [11:14] * mac_v now is a *huge* kwwii fan ;) [11:14] * mac_v had been looking for a black theme for god knows how long.. this is almost close to what he was searching for \o/ [11:15] psyke83: hrm, I'm going to play with it a bit and see what I can come up with...I might change the metacity a bit as well [11:15] mac_v & kwwii: ironically, this is the theme that should have been called darkroom - it's like seeing a photo negative ;) [11:15] mac_v: glad to have pleased you ;) [11:16] hehe, no doubt [11:16] but darkroom only became so brown due to someone elses wishes [11:16] psyke83: hehe , ;) yeah [11:16] kwwii: I'll mess around with it as well and see if I can come up with something [11:17] psyke83: are you going to make it as a theme? on its own? [11:17] psyke83: killer, thanks [11:18] mac_v: in this case I'm talking about tweaking Human, not HumanLogin [11:18] oh ok ;) [11:18] kwwii: pls add the human login theme as an optional theme in the default install , this is amazingly good [11:18] not for me well for others ;p [11:20] * mac_v should stay away from ubuntu+1 ... too many complains about the theme [11:25] kwwii: on buttons, do you like when they have a noticeable centre gradient, or when they're smooth (like at the moment)? [11:25] * darkmatter really likes how there is no way to see what applications are running in gnome shell and how there is no way to switch between open apps/windows except alt-tab or overlay. halloooo? ass backwards, inaccessible and unusable much? (and btw. read the mailing lists. the devs *refuse* to change that)... [11:25] /facepalm [11:27] I thought the future would be 'click less, do more' not 'click more, do squat'... silly me [11:27] psyke83: you said photo negative... i remember.. once i tried to use the system like that , use the negative plugin from compiz ... didnt turn out well ;) [11:28] ;) [11:33] kwwii: take a look at the buttons, this is what I mean: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1844/sharpgradient.png [11:43] psyke83: I like that gloss but only when it is just barely noticably [11:43] noticable [11:43] ok [11:43] but I also like rounded buttons [11:43] I even thought about using the center glow or whatever it is called [11:44] the glow is actually ok. gloss is... eww [12:00] psyke83: here's another bug: #435718 [12:00] this one is a bit more interesting though [12:01] kwwii: that looks to be a problem with the app [12:02] it's the same for all themes I'm checking now [12:13] psyke83: I wonder if webkit-gtk is so new that nobody knows which class to use to fix it [12:15] kwwii: no, because the human theme uses a universal roundness for all widgets. That means that the widget being rendered is not capable of being rounded, either because of gtk itself or the gtk engine [12:16] psyke83: good answer :) thanks! [12:16] for example, in the past, the murrine engine couldn't round the treeview headers, but it can now [12:26] lol, so after reading the bug correctly, the problem is that the one window is rounded when it should not be [12:27] because the navigation tree view is not rounded [12:28] psyke83: if we wanted to make that square, couldn't we add a definition for exactly that class with a murrine engine roundness=0? [12:29] kwwii: sure, it's easy [12:29] do you mean to match a whole class, or a class only in that app? [12:29] psyke83: I mean a whole class [12:29] so all of those things are square [12:29] hoping that whatever that class is, it is only used next to a tree view :p [12:30] maybe it would be better for them to do it in the app if possible [12:30] kwwii: yep, in the relevant style section you want to change. Just don't forget to embed the 'engine "murrine" { }' part [12:30] kwwii: the problem with gtk is that widgets embedded in widgets sometimes inherit the parent class [12:30] e.g. progressbars on the networkmanager applet [12:31] *networkmanager applet's meny [12:31] *menu :P [12:31] yeah, what fun ;) [12:31] so if you put roundness = 0 only in the progressbar class, it may not work in network manager and other application where they embed progressbars [12:32] kwwii: the theme has one of these bugs right now: open gconf-editor and navigate to a key. The checkmarks are black [12:33] ouch, yeah [12:33] well, I going to see if this is a subclass which is easy to fix without screwing everythin else up [12:34] when I recently re-wrote the theme, my aim was to remove all those hacks. However, when you recently told me about the selection bg colour change, I re-added the "hack" to make checkmarks white [12:34] it can be fixed (and I think I fixed it in the darkroom/ubuntustudio theme before), I will look into it [12:35] psyke83: cool, I am doing this bug and trying to work on the color of the scrollbars [12:43] * kwwii -> lunch [12:48] where i can see the output of gdm error if there is ? [12:49] or gdm can 't use Murrine engine at all ? [12:49] what i do not trust cause Human is murrine i think [14:08] kwwii: there's no chance of lightening the brown selection colour even a little bit> [14:08] ? [14:10] psyke83: yes, there is a chance...we have two people looking into which color we should use [14:10] Cimi: hi, can you take a quick look at bug #422511 and tell me if it's possible to fix in your murrine engine? (i.e. let the trough part of the scrollbar respond to clicks) [14:10] Launchpad bug 422511 in human-theme "problem with new scrollbar in Human theme - GtkRange::trough-border set to 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422511 [14:12] kwwii: that's good to hear, because I think that either the selection or the background needs to be adjusted [14:13] I thought it was just my failing laptop screen (bad backlight, pinkish hue), but I checked the theme on my desktop monitor and it still looks too deep [14:18] that is false dashua "The only detrimental effect is the loss of system-wide color theming to the scrollbars. Pixmap scrollbars scroll faster and smoother contrary to popular belief that the pixbuf-engine is slow." [14:20] Cimi: yes, I agree [14:21] psyke83, I haven't understood that bug [14:21] Cimi, are you on Karmic right now? [14:22] ok understood [14:22] but can't be fixed [14:22] Cimi: perhaps in gtk itself? [14:23] no [14:23] is that firefox which is bugger? [14:23] *d [14:23] Cimi: Firefox has another problem with trough borders in text boxes, but that's not related to this specific problem [14:24] the clicking problem affects all applications [14:24] but with nautilus, if I click on the right edge [14:24] maximize any application which has a scrollbar present, move the mouse to the rightmost part of the screen, and try to click on the scrollbar [14:24] it grabs the scrollbar [14:24] here it grabs [14:24] if you're on Jaunty, it will work because the trough is set to 0 [14:24] I am on karmic [14:24] and it grabs [14:25] only firefox doesn0t [14:25] just a min [14:26] hrm, yes [14:26] I thought that all applications had this problem [14:27] so I guess this is a case of Firefox's gtk "emulation" messing up somewhere? [14:28] y [14:28] I hear that the 3.6 alpha fixes bug #327863, maybe as a side-effect the clicking problem will be gone [14:28] Launchpad bug 327863 in gtk2-engines "non-zero GtkRange::trough-border value produces strange boxes in Firefox" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327863 [14:28] I'll try a daily build and see [14:29] I'm looking forward to midori and epiphany [14:29] Hello [14:30] I know I'm going to be punished for asking this, but... [14:30] Does anybody have any information pertaining to the final GDM theme in Ubuntu Karmic? [14:31] it does not grab the scrollbar at the very right with the trough !=0 but it does make the scrollbar jump/move around [14:31] I can't find a damned thing about it, with the exception of the idle speculation and arguments in the Ubuntu forums. [14:31] Cyberkilla: yes, it is the HumanLogin theme [14:31] kwwii, yeah [14:31] Cyberkilla: they are working on getting it set [14:31] as it has to be done as user gdm [14:31] kwwii: Greatly appreciated, thanks. [14:32] Cimi: hi, btw :) [14:32] I have 5 days of holiday, I'm looking forware a murrine 0.91.0 :) [14:32] hi kwwii [14:32] kwwii: yes, I it only jumps, can't grab the scrollbar [14:32] psyke83: exactly [14:33] hehe, holidays are for having fun...that's what you call fun?! [14:33] no, but I already implemented cool things in git [14:33] I just need few more hours [14:35] Cimi: the last commit is 10 days ago, you didn't push them yet? [14:35] cool [14:35] I am about to change the latest implementation [14:35] I will add gradients for the borders too [14:36] kwwii, until somebody pays me for doing whatever i want, holiday is for doing all kind of work ;) [14:36] and maybe I will add more styles for the arrows [14:37] Cimi, that's awesome. I just hope that if your new version is stable, we can request a FFe for Karmic ;) [14:39] knome: hehe, I know that feeling too [14:39] kwwii & Cimi: Firefox 3.6 fixes bug #327863 but bug #422511 hasn't changed [14:39] Launchpad bug 327863 in gtk2-engines "non-zero GtkRange::trough-border value produces strange boxes in Firefox" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327863 [14:39] Launchpad bug 422511 in human-theme "problem with new scrollbar in Human theme - GtkRange::trough-border set to 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422511 [14:39] are the new icons for volume and wifi the direction you (as in art guys) are going to take? Will you change all gnome-applet icons and all notification from default installation? [14:40] kwwii, hmm. what was the right time to ask for the photo once again..? :) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [14:40] kklimonda: I was kinda amazed to see that they are in the humanity theme. they look very close to the ones I have in bzr [14:41] kwwii: you made similar icons too :) [14:43] kwwii: so they are completely random and not a part of some bigger plan? :) [14:45] kklimonda: actually , only the system icons are stylised and in greyscale , the app icons wont be done... since we cannot cover all apps , to fix this the notification area can be tweaked to desaturate the icons... similar to the UNR window list [14:45] the UX team hasnt decide on the tweak yet :/ [14:46] mac_v: damn.. I was hoping for some kind of standardised look for notification area and I really like those new icons.. [14:46] kwwii: the only thing that concerns me is the volume icon. When it's muted, it looks like there is uncomfortable whitespace between the volume icon and network-manager. Maybe put a subtle X to indicate it's muted, or hollowed bars? [14:47] kklimonda: glad you like them ;) , some have complained some raved.., but there are problems with doing app icons since these icons will be displayed in the apps too :( [14:48] psyke83: hehe , i did that ;p [14:48] is an X really essential? [14:48] mac_v: no, but just do something to alleviate the space [14:49] for example, when muted or at 0%, keep the speaker icon fully solid, but leave the three volume bars that are grey [14:49] mac_v: will you change at least bluetooth one? it looks really out of space right now.. well, now all icons look out of space but other are at least connected to programs and bluetooth one just sits there.. bluetooth and icon that shows up when files are copied in nautilus.. [14:49] *light grey [14:49] psyke83: hmm... why i didnt add the X was because it wasnt being displayed properly ,ie not very sharp... [14:49] psyke83: yes, people have reported that [14:50] psyke83: i tried that , then we had complaints that the full and no signal were very similar [14:51] mac_v: what about changing the bars to waves? [14:51] (for the volume icon) [14:51] psyke83: maybe i could increase the transparency even further [14:51] that wont be sharp ;) [14:51] yes, the icon is so small... [14:52] kklimonda: the bluetooth icon shows up in the system menu :/ , so we are really hoping the notification area is patched [14:52] mac_v: the problem is of context. If I were to look at the volume icon right now, while muted, I only know that it's semi-transparent because of the network manager icon with the full connection beside it [14:53] psyke83: ah , i got an idea , doing one [14:53] however, a fully solid speaker icon with three transparent bars would show me that the volume is muted, and I would be sure without needing context from another icon [14:53] mac_v: isn't it a bug itself that the same icon is used for both notification area and other parts? [14:53] cool :) [14:54] psyke83, anyone who cares: I'm tweaking the human theme colors so that a) the brown is less saturated and a slighty different hue [14:54] b) the bg color is a bit darker and more saturated [14:54] ^ \o/ [14:54] and c) the scrollbars are more grey [14:54] kklimonda: yup , but will the devs fix it because a single theme has decided to do a new style ;) [14:54] and the panel icons are an open issue which I will discuss when the right people wake up [14:55] kwwii: if you can throw the gtkrc my way I'd appreciate it, or let me know the new colour definitions. I'd like to experiment with the button shading and gradients some more, and knowing the colours you're aiming for will help [14:56] psyke83: will do...I should have an idea of what I want in a few minutes [14:56] still working on gdm [14:57] great, thanks [14:59] kwwii: the notification area tweak would be nice , DBO already has an idea , he just needs th go ahead from you guys :) [15:00] mac_v: what is that? [15:01] kwwii: notice in UNR window list the inactive window icon becomes desaturated and less opaque , DBO wrote that patch , i asked him if the same can be done for the notification area , he said it can be done.. [15:02] we could just desaturate the notification area icons [15:02] that would fix all apps using the area [15:02] mac_v: but possibly ruin the look/use of some of the icons [15:03] kwwii: all we need to do is to allow error icons to have the red color , [15:03] i dont think the look would be lost , it would for window list [15:03] it works for * [15:05] Cimi: going back to the scrollbar bug - let's ignore Firefox entirely. Speaking for all other applications, is there any way to allow the scrollbar itself be clickable with a >0 trough? [15:05] I don't think so [15:05] but with other applications work [15:05] at least here it seems to work [15:07] Cimi: no, other apps don't work. When you click on the area beside the scrollbar itself, it treats the click as a page up/down (depending on the mouse position relative to the centre of the scrollbar) [15:07] ideally when you click in that area, it grabs the scrollbar itself (this is very useful for laptop users with touchpads) [15:08] sorry, the click is not relative to the scrollbar's centre [15:09] well the behaviour is unpredictable at the top or bottom of a page [15:10] psyke83: could you pull from > $bzr branch lp:humanity and check if the volume mute is better? [15:10] mac_v: will do [15:22] mac_v: I'm not so sure. What about making the three dots the same size as the smallest bar for the other volume levels? [15:23] psyke83: , i tried that , but the band was too thick :( [15:24] hmm , i could make it a little bigger [15:24] mac_v: well, if it were, I, I would make it consistent with the other icons (a solid speaker and three semi-transparent bars) :) [15:24] *if it were me [15:24] oops, heh [15:24] I need to get more sleep ;) [15:30] hehe , that doesnt work looks bad :/ [15:39] mac_v: another idea is that you can redesign the icon - change the volume indicator to a cone. 100% volume is a wide angle, and 0% is quite narrow [15:40] * ckontros waves [15:41] aw... :( , redoing it now is a bit difficult , but after the beta ;) [15:42] not an actual cone, but rather a cone shape... so if you have three bars, you could have it like this, with the three bars from left to right: 100% - 3px, 8px, 12px; 66% - 3 px, 6px, 8px; 33% - 3px, 4px, 6px [15:43] well I hope you get the idea [15:43] hey ckontros, I see you changed your nick :P [15:44] mac_v: so make it the same as it is now, but the angle reduces with the volume [15:44] psyke83: oh , neat idea ;) but Dan doesnt want the shapes to change :( [15:44] psyke83: Yep. Been wanting to do it for a while. Little more professional. [15:45] I forget, is Kontros originally a Greek or Slavic name? [15:46] Polish or Czech. Never really found out for sure. [15:47] it's weird, I always associate it with Greek for some reason [15:47] :) [15:48] maybe something I read in greek philosophy when I was in university ;P [15:48] I'm a big mut in the end. Lots of folks, um, "havin' relations" with each other in my background. :P [15:48] aren't we all [15:48] ;) [15:49] there's no pure races anymore... the only eugenics programs that survived WW2 were in the Krufts dog show :P [15:49] Seems so. Some tribal people left I suppose. [15:49] mac_v: who is Dan? [15:50] psyke83: Daniel fore , he is the one who started the theme[and elementary] [15:50] as, I see [15:50] *ah [16:21] mac_v: what app do you use to edit icons? [16:27] psyke83: inkscape [16:28] thanks [17:04] ckontros, Sup mate? Nice changes to Breathe :) [17:05] dashua: Thanx to Daniel. We have some more things to work. I'm still settling back in N.C. but I'll get to it soon. [17:05] Definite improvement. [17:06] for those not on the #dx channel: http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/network-love.png? [17:06] The first set of edits were a little too saturated, but these are quite nice [17:07] * ckontros reminds himself to sync and test latest disks. [17:07] oopps wrong channel [17:07] kwwii, New nm-applet is nice [17:07] too big icon? [17:08] well, what does the icon mean? [17:08] ethernet loves me? [17:08] that icon makes absolutely no sense [17:08] a star like firefox maybe? [17:08] my wired network is my favorite? [17:09] sure, it is faster...whatever is faster is my favorite [17:11] is there some kind of hierarchy going on there? it looks slightly odd that active and the things below are intended to the right a bunch of pixels [17:11] ckontros, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25704/screenshot_QEGrd2.png [17:11] Just awesome. [17:12] dashua: Pretty slick. :) [17:12] andreasn: yep, it's meant to be like: [17:12] <3 Breathe [17:12] [TYPE] [17:12] __[ACTIVE] [17:13] __[LIST] [17:13] __[INACTIVE] [17:13] __[LIST] [17:13] weird [17:13] ckontros, What do you think about the grey scale panel icons for Breathe? [17:14] dashua/kwwii: Isn't there still code needed for that? [17:15] Inherits Humanity too is nice. [17:16] ckontros, Not sure. [17:19] Oh wow. it's a major discussion about that now. [17:23] hehe, I think the current grey scale icons need improvement (the humanity ones)...they are *way* too light [17:28] * kwwii gets dinner [17:29] im wondering why next/previous/pause/pause notification icons are made cause it does not work at all [17:29] pause/play * [17:30] zniavre: because the design is sometimes ahead of the code [17:30] :o) they worked on jaunty alpha [17:32] If someone needs me, PM. [17:52] zniavre: then that means that the names were changed or the code no longer does what it was supposed ot [17:53] or the funtionality was simply changed [17:58] being that the artwork deadline has passed.. does that mean gdm is going to stay as-is? (for karmic) [17:59] Hello all _o/ [19:54] kwwii: the icons can be darkened ;) thats not a problem , they were made light because UNR guys asked for it to be light [19:57] there is also a simple solution for UNR , make a panel icon theme only for Dark panels > name it Humanity Dark[or whatever] ... this theme will contain only the light panel icons which will be a very small size <0.2mb , include the inherits as humanity main... so when UNR uses the light icons it would work well for it [19:58] kwwii: any decision on the panel icons? [19:58] do you guys want it darker? [20:03] who created that new wallpaper with the stones in karmic? [20:07] this one is really nice [20:08] mac_v: I talked to david about it and I think he wants to put the human icons into humanity for karmic because there is not enough time to make sure that all the icons which appear in the panel are made with the new style [20:09] kwwii: i was talking to david too! you guy are shuffling it around :( ... [20:09] he said you wanted the human ions! [20:09] icons* [20:09] lol [20:10] mac_v: when the decision to use humanity was made one day before beta freeze, I stopped feeling responsible for this [20:10] kwwii: if the brightness is the issue we can just make them darekr [20:10] mac_v: in any case, I would make them darker [20:10] kwwii: yeah, i know... how you feel [20:10] I do like the icons, they are *amazingly* similar to the panel icons I made for human but never used [20:10] they were made light because UNR guys wante dit light! [20:11] wanted it light [20:11] I mean, I will still do whatever I can to make things as good as possible [20:11] yeah, that is exactly what I thought [20:11]