/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/25/#ubuntu-ops.txt

MenZaI'm inclined to agree with dragon00:22
micahgCan I get someone to add ubottu back to Ubuntu Bugs?00:23
micahg#ubuntu-bugs00:23
micahgplease :)00:24
gordMenZa: something tells me that it started out as something small but people always say "whats gnome?" or "whats qt?" or whatever and it grew because of necessity, not because its just long00:27
MenZahmm00:30
jpdsMenZa: Wait, what?00:30
jpdsmicahg: --^ that is.00:31
micahgjpds: the bot appears to be AWOL from #ubuntu-bugs00:31
* jpds wonders where ubot4 went.00:31
jpdsmicahg: And it's back.00:32
micahgthanks jpds00:33
jpdsNo problem.00:33
micahgshould I just ping you next time jpds?00:33
jpdsYeah, feel free.00:33
micahgok00:33
micahgthanks00:33
geniiIs there even any channel for "Ubuntu Ultimate" ? google seems to indicate no01:56
FlannelNo, the only form of support is through their forums01:57
FlannelAt least, last I checked01:57
geniiFlannel: OK, thanks01:57
linuxguy2009Hello Im getting a FixDCC Exploit message when entering #ubuntu.02:57
linuxguy2009My router has the newest firmware available. I got this message a month or two ago and have since updated the firmware already.02:58
linuxguy2009Anyone?02:59
* genii sips and ponders port 8001/666703:01
linuxguy2009Would someone be kind enough to help me. I can not seem to connect to #ubuntu.03:03
linuxguy2009!ops03:04
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!03:04
ubottulinuxguy2009 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()03:04
linuxguy2009Hello would someone be kind enough to help me?03:04
linuxguy2009Ok guess not.03:05
Flannellinuxguy2009: Erm.03:05
FlannelRight-o.03:05
geniiFlannel: We'll have to snag him quicker next time...03:06
Flannelgenii: right, within four seconds instead of five ;)03:06
geniiI know :/03:07
geniilinuxguy2009: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and note the port change to 8001 from 6667 (as well as whatever firmware changes were recommended)03:09
* genii gets ready to hit up-arrow,enter03:09
Flannelheh, I thought that's what you were doing ;)03:09
LinuxGuy2009Testing? Anyone see this?03:11
FlannelLinuxGuy2009: Slow down there cowboy03:11
geniilinuxguy2009: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and note the port change to 8001 from 6667 (as well as whatever firmware changes were recommended)03:11
LinuxGuy2009I just changed my port to 8001 in pidgin03:11
LinuxGuy2009Newest firmware03:12
FlannelLinuxGuy2009: right, and you were just tested and passed, it seems.03:12
geniiAlso try to remember it takes usually longer than 3-4 seconds to form replies03:12
LinuxGuy2009Can I join #ubuntu now? That ok?03:12
FlannelLinuxGuy2009: your forward has been removed, so yes.03:13
LinuxGuy2009thank you03:13
FlannelApparently didn't read the topic until after he left here the first time.03:13
geniiHehe03:17
geniiI'm out, Peace04:14
elkytopyli, i'm assuming he's a regular?07:25
topylino. hence no ban07:26
topyliyou think that was too fast?07:27
elkytopyli, oh i at least give them a chance to hang themselves properly, like asking for an apology.07:28
elkythat way people cant complain that we're nuking without trying to mediate and all that hippy stuff.07:28
topylielky: that's better i guess. will try to hold it next time07:29
elky:)07:29
ikoniatobeno1: you are running bots again08:31
Tm_Thug me?09:26
* ikonia hugs Tm_T 10:14
Seeker`tobeno1: how can we help you?12:17
tobeno1why12:17
Seeker`why what?12:17
tobeno1i am sorry.12:18
jussi01Seeker`: he is here because of bot in #ubuntu12:19
jussi01I just wasnt quick enough...12:19
jussi01ergh12:19
jussi01its ikonia's ban iirc12:19
jussi01!idle | wizzo12:31
ubottuwizzo: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.12:31
eviljussi01mrgh.12:57
ikoniajussi01: I've requested nal to take a look due to him running bots again13:51
ikonia /who 125.77.120.4113:51
Picipsst, they're in the channel now13:51
ikoniait' ok - I saw him rejoin, but that doesn't change my fat fingers13:52
ikoniahe doesn't appear to be running a bot at this time but was earlier13:52
ikoniafande: would you like to comment on running bots again ?13:52
fandeubot2?ubot3?ubot4?ubouttu?13:58
fandeare they all bots?!13:59
fandethey are all bots!!do you understand?!14:00
Picifande: They are all official channel bots. And only ubottu is in #ubuntu.14:01
fandesorry.i don't know14:02
fande+ikonia ask me about the bots everytime.i afraid to add in ubuntu.14:05
fandehi14:09
Picifande: You were running a bot in #ubuntu.14:09
PiciCorrect?14:09
fandeno14:09
Piciikonia: ping?14:10
fandei never let any bots in ubuntu14:10
fandei promise14:11
Picifande: I'm not that familiar with your case here, but ikonia is. please wait a moment for him to return.14:11
fandeok14:12
ikoniaPici: sorry I was away from my desk14:16
ikoniafande: you've been running bots in #ubuntu and been caught. nalioth from Freenode staff also caught you running them in other channels and banned from the whole network for a period of time. I caught you earlier running the same bots again.14:17
fandehow can you know that?14:17
ikoniaI have asked nalioth as a staff member to investigate this further before looking at your ban from #ubuntu14:18
fandei have a long time not to run bot in freenode since you ask me not in ubuntu14:18
fandeand i never let it in ubuntu14:18
ikoniafande: you where also told to not run them in freenode - yet I caught you running them earlier14:19
ikoniahence my asking nalioth a freenode staff member to investigate this futher14:19
fandeoh god.14:20
fandethem?  i don't have many bots.14:21
ikoniafande: I'm going to pass your ban to nalioth to investigate this further as I could see at least one bot running earlier14:21
fandeyeah,it run in cheers14:22
ikoniano - you ran it in ##linux14:22
fandeyeah.afternoon i run it in linux14:23
ikonianalioth: told you not to run bots on freenode14:23
fandeno i don't get the information14:24
fandei just think not in ubuntu14:24
ikonialets wait for nalioth to arrive14:24
fandei only let bot in only twice these days14:24
ikoniaI can't be certain of that, lets wait for nalioth please14:25
fandemy teacher just want to get the relationship from chat.so i run it.14:25
ikoniafande: you where explictly told to remove the bots from freenode14:25
fandebut the bot not in freenode14:25
ikoniathe freenode network14:26
fandeit is in my computer14:26
ikoniayou did not and was removed from the network14:26
ikoniaok - I don't wish to discuss this further until nalioth is available14:26
fandeit is not harmful to society14:26
ikoniathat is not the point - you don't seem able to follwo the instuctions of staff members. Please wait for nalioth to arrive14:26
fande???!!!!!!14:28
ikoniaplease wait for nalioth to arrive14:28
fandeok,if i have time14:29
fandewhy you can run ubot2 ubot3 ubot3 in ubuntu.but i can't14:30
ikoniabecause they are authorized bots14:30
fandei just for test,not other aims14:31
naliothfande: running bots in channels without the channel owners permission isn't a welcome behavior here14:32
fandeok14:32
fandei will never run it in freenode again14:33
fandebut i don't know who's the channel owener14:33
naliothfande: /msg chanserv info #channel-name will tell you14:33
fandethank you14:35
fandei am not popular in ubuntu because of the bot14:36
ikoniafande: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu for you. Please don't run any bots in any #ubuntu channels14:38
fandewhat's ban?14:39
naliothfande: you can join #ubuntu now.  please don't run any more bots on the network  :)14:39
fandeok i never run it in ubuntu .14:39
fandebut my teacher let me have a test for students to chat in cheers.14:40
ikoniaI think nalioth said the network as in any channel on the freenode network14:40
fandecan i run it again14:40
naliothfande: please follow the network policies, okay?  they're all at http://freenode.net14:41
fandeok14:41
fandethanks14:41
ubottuIn #ubuntu, dpac said: ubottu: My mic is not working in ubuntu. I've tried the volume controls and everything is max. I tried to record sound using sound recorder but there is no sound being recorded.16:05
jussi01!logs17:26
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/17:26
ubottunixternal called the ops in #ubuntu+1 ()17:50
geniiWeird that he called them in there about #ubuntu-devel issue17:51
AmaranthCut-R is in there17:51
Amaranthdunno if he knows the topic can't be changed17:52
geniiAh, OK17:52
PriceyGimme a shout if you see that guy elsewhere.17:53
elkyi typically am not french-literate, but even i can figure what that's saying.17:53
PriceyHe's not responding to PM.17:53
LjLam i the only one being often highlighted by [19:48:30] <-- NorwayGeek has left this server ("sudo rm -rf /"). and not liking it?18:48
geniiApparently... you have the dreaded rm command on your hightlight?18:50
LjLi sure do18:50
LjLit's actually a violet highlight, same as the dcc send18:51
LjLwell, i'll just be going then. once upon a time that would have been a redirect here18:53
geniiI just PMd him to change it18:53
Tm_Thmmh, should be dealt with, don't you think?18:53
Tm_T...18:53
geniieg: /msg NorwayGeek your exit comment on your client contains a command we would rather not see here "sudo rm -rf /" . it would be appreciated if you change it.18:53
Tm_Treply?18:54
geniiYes, protesting it doesn't work but changing it anyhow19:00
geniiApologies on lag, work19:00
Tm_T(:)19:07
natsyhi20:32
Tm_Thello20:32
FlannelHi natsy, how can we help you today?20:33
natsygot an inviter in there20:33
natsydont know if it matters on freenode, just thought 'd let you guys know20:33
Flannelnatsy: Who?20:33
natsyblacksun20:33
natsyshall i part now20:35
Flannelnatsy: Sure, thanks for letting us know.20:35
natsynp20:35
Flannel#thelodge apparently?20:36
FlannelHe says he won't do it again, I think.20:40
MenZaI think it's time we did something about LjL soon.21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:52 UTC] <MenZa> You know the IrcGuidelines cover you as well, I trust.21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:15 UTC] <LjL> you know when to enact them, i trust.21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:33 UTC] <MenZa> Dude, just don't. You know what this'll lead to, eventually.21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:38 UTC] <MenZa> as much as I'd rather not.21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:52 UTC] <LjL> you're assuming that i care21:35
MenZaas per the replies in -ot21:35
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:29:18 UTC] <LjL> look, i don't give a fuck. lately, it's totally ridiculous the way ops have behaved - as far as i'm concerned, i'll do whatever i feel like, since what's in the ops' mind can be taken to be random21:37
MenZajussi01, Pici, elky21:40
MenZaLjL: I am unaware who is around right now, but I don't think a lot of people will be. Let's resume where we left off, though.21:41
LjLfeel free to provide a little backscroll.21:41
MenZaI have.21:41
MenZaJust before you joined.21:41
MenZaBut, to be honest, I think this is something that should be raised with the IRC-C. I'm in a bit over my head here.21:42
LjLso, i don't exactly know what you were saying about the "stepping down" section of anything.21:42
LjLas i already mentioned, i am not interested in raising anything with the IRCC21:42
MenZaNo, but the IRCC is the governing body of the Ubuntu IRC namespace.21:42
MenZaAnd I will happily raise this issue myself.21:43
LjLok, so have them contact me when they are ready.21:43
MenZaI will do.21:43
LjLsee you21:43
MenZaoh dear lord.21:43
FlannelMenZa: Where was that initial conversation?21:50
MenZaFlannel: #ubuntu-offtopic21:50
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:24:53 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: that's bcause it is horribly confusing.21:51
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:24:56 UTC] < LjL> also, because you're dumb.21:51
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:02 UTC] < MenZa> LjL: that's not very nice :(21:51
MenZaThe initial conversation held up there ^ was in a /query21:51
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:11 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: bit like your face then21:51
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:35 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: only to your mom21:51
FlannelMenZa: aye, just found it.21:51
MenZaI've just typed out an e-mail to the IRCC with full logs attached21:52
MenZaSomething needs to be done about this21:52
FlannelHe has gotten a bit beliggerent21:52
MenZaHe's become a pain in -ot, imo21:53
MenZaFlannel: Would you agree consulting the IRCC on this matter would be the appropriate course of action?21:53
FlannelIf you're so inclined, sure.  I don't really feel they need to be involved any moreso than they are being in this channel though.21:55
FlannelBut, that's just personal preference, I imagine.21:55
MenZaThey don't appear to be around currently.21:55
MenZaFlannel: Remember, I'm fairly knew to all this, I'm not quite into the whole workflow yet :)21:56
FlannelMenZa: ah, well, they're all asleep right now, but they'll wake up and read scrollback whenever they wake up.21:56
* MenZa saves draft, awaits.21:56
MenZaelky, jussi01, Pici, nalioth - please do read the backscroll of this channel when you're around :)21:57
MenZanow they most certainly are!21:57
FlannelMenZa: Most people will, even non-IRCC people.  So yeah, if you haven't seen discussion here in the next day or so, you could ping them via email just because it's guaranteed to get to them.21:57
MenZaShall do.21:57
Seeker`what on earth was that about?21:57
MenZaSeeker`: See this backlog from -ot21:59
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:24:53 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: that's bcause it is horribly confusing.21:59
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:24:56 UTC] < LjL> also, because you're dumb.21:59
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:02 UTC] < MenZa> LjL: that's not very nice :(21:59
FlannelMenZa: He can page up ;)21:59
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:11 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: bit like your face then21:59
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:35 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: only to your mom21:59
MenZaWell, yes, but I'm lazy like that, and like having logs there for my convenience :P21:59
ubottuIn ubottu, tomas_ said: my problem is about the sound22:02
LjLexcuse me but i don't like only part of my query with menza being reported, so if that's not a problem, i'd like to give it in full.22:04
Seeker`MenZa: what is "it" in this context?22:05
Seeker`LjL: i don't have a problem with it22:05
LjLi guess it would be menza who might or might not have a problem, since that was a private query with him.22:05
MenZaPardon?22:06
LjLMenZa: i'd like to report the whole of our query.22:06
Seeker`MenZa: he wants to paste your PM in here22:06
MenZaNo need, I can do that.22:06
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:42 UTC] *** Irssi: Starting query in freenode with LjL22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:25:52 UTC] <MenZa> You know the IrcGuidelines cover you as well, I trust.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:15 UTC] <LjL> you know when to enact them, i trust.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:33 UTC] <MenZa> Dude, just don't. You know what this'll lead to, eventually.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:38 UTC] <MenZa> as much as I'd rather not.22:07
LjLi did intend to use a pastebin, however22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:52 UTC] <LjL> you're assuming that i care22:07
LjLsuch as http://pastebin.ca/CrgrMurU password "ubuntu"22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:26:57 UTC] <MenZa> yes, yes I do22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:27:02 UTC] <MenZa> if not, why would you else be in -ot?22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:27:19 UTC] <LjL> that's a very good question22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:27:47 UTC] <MenZa> It would be.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:29:18 UTC] <LjL> look, i don't give a fuck. lately, it's totally ridiculous the way ops have behaved - as far as i'm concerned, i'll do whatever i feel like, since what's in the ops' mind can be taken to be random22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:29:41 UTC] <MenZa> Raise it with the IRC Council, then.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:29:48 UTC] <LjL> no22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:29:56 UTC] <LjL> i am not interested22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:30:27 UTC] <MenZa> if you're not interested in attempting to change what you see as the problem, I don't see what you can do but abide by the guidelines set out.22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:30:43 UTC] <LjL> i didn't start this conversation22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:31:06 UTC] <MenZa> I would like to point out that, when you were a member of the IRC team, you agreed to abide by the Leadership Code of Conduct22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:31:19 UTC] <LjL> now i am not a member of the irc team22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:31:23 UTC] <MenZa> no22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:31:31 UTC] <MenZa> I would like to point you to the "Stepping Down" section22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:31:46 UTC] <MenZa> this is also covered in the CoC22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:32:00 UTC] <LjL> i'll continue this conversation only in #ubuntu-ops22:07
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:32:21 UTC] <MenZa> This doesn't sound like a bad idea.22:08
MenZaI don't believe in making these snippets available in any form other than in this very channel.22:08
LjLyou surely are aware, menza, that they will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/25/%23ubuntu-ops.html in 52 minutes.22:08
Seeker`MenZa: what was the "it" that started this conversation?22:08
MenZaLjL: I was not. But there you go.22:09
MenZaSeeker`: The snippet I pasted further up, from -ot22:09
LjLMenZa: then you might want your friends here to explain to you what "ubuntulog" is for here22:09
MenZaLjL: Please don't give me that tone.22:09
Seeker`the snippet started with "thats because it is horribly confusing"22:10
MenZaIt's unnecessary, and does not contribute to this conversation.22:10
MenZa[2009-09-25 20:24:04 UTC] < MenZa> I am *trying* to tunnel my HTTP connections through SSH, but I am so, so, so confused.22:10
MenZaSeeker`: ^22:10
LjLthere is no conversation, since you prefer to have this go through the irc council to begin with22:10
LjLyou did slow down my client considerably with that paste, however22:10
LjLoh well22:10
* MenZa is in over his head.22:11
Seeker`if a random started behaving like that, they would be kicked at least22:12
MenZaSeeker`: I figured I'd remind him of his past before I took any actions. He knows the rules.22:13
Seeker`he clearly isn't interested in following the rules22:16
MenZaindeed22:16
Seeker`he has basically said a few times, I don't like the rules, I don't feel that I can change them so I'll just ignore them22:17
MenZaSeeker`: I'll see what comments I've gotten in the morning.22:24
naliothMenZa: i'm sorry, but i'm terribly confused over all this pasting22:31
Seeker`nalioth: basically this:22:32
Seeker`Ljl: <insult>22:32
Seeker`Menza: <you know the rules>22:32
Seeker`Ljl: <I don't care>22:33
PriceyMenZa: Available for P?23:27
Pricey*PM?23:27
MenZaPricey: always23:28
Seeker`always, eh?23:34
MenZaSeeker`: Always. :)23:35
MenZaIt started with this line in -ot:23:36
MenZa< MenZa> I am *trying* to tunnel my HTTP connections through SSH, but I am so, so, so confused.23:36
MenZaThis led to a string of insults from LjL (I assume you'll look them up yourself), including calling me 'dumb', and references to, uh, my mother. (This sounds weird when retold like this)23:37
PriceyMenZa: ahem23:37
* MenZa coughs23:37
jpdsFail.23:39
MenZaRather.23:41
ubottuIn #ubuntu+1, penguin42 said: ubottu: apt-file is your friend23:41
jpdsI so wish I could do: ubottu: tell penguin42 about orly23:43

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