[00:22] <MenZa> I'm inclined to agree with dragon
[00:23] <micahg> Can I get someone to add ubottu back to Ubuntu Bugs?
[00:23] <micahg> #ubuntu-bugs
[00:24] <micahg> please :)
[00:27] <gord> MenZa: something tells me that it started out as something small but people always say "whats gnome?" or "whats qt?" or whatever and it grew because of necessity, not because its just long
[00:30] <MenZa> hmm
[00:30] <jpds> MenZa: Wait, what?
[00:31] <jpds> micahg: --^ that is.
[00:31] <micahg> jpds: the bot appears to be AWOL from #ubuntu-bugs
[00:31]  * jpds wonders where ubot4 went.
[00:32] <jpds> micahg: And it's back.
[00:33] <micahg> thanks jpds
[00:33] <jpds> No problem.
[00:33] <micahg> should I just ping you next time jpds?
[00:33] <jpds> Yeah, feel free.
[00:33] <micahg> ok
[00:33] <micahg> thanks
[01:56] <genii> Is there even any channel for "Ubuntu Ultimate" ? google seems to indicate no
[01:57] <Flannel> No, the only form of support is through their forums
[01:57] <Flannel> At least, last I checked
[01:57] <genii> Flannel: OK, thanks
[02:57] <linuxguy2009> Hello Im getting a FixDCC Exploit message when entering #ubuntu.
[02:58] <linuxguy2009> My router has the newest firmware available. I got this message a month or two ago and have since updated the firmware already.
[02:59] <linuxguy2009> Anyone?
[03:01]  * genii sips and ponders port 8001/6667
[03:03] <linuxguy2009> Would someone be kind enough to help me. I can not seem to connect to #ubuntu.
[03:04] <linuxguy2009> !ops
[03:04] <linuxguy2009> Hello would someone be kind enough to help me?
[03:05] <linuxguy2009> Ok guess not.
[03:05] <Flannel> linuxguy2009: Erm.
[03:05] <Flannel> Right-o.
[03:06] <genii> Flannel: We'll have to snag him quicker next time...
[03:06] <Flannel> genii: right, within four seconds instead of five ;)
[03:07] <genii> I know :/
[03:09] <genii> linuxguy2009: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and note the port change to 8001 from 6667 (as well as whatever firmware changes were recommended)
[03:09]  * genii gets ready to hit up-arrow,enter
[03:09] <Flannel> heh, I thought that's what you were doing ;)
[03:11] <LinuxGuy2009> Testing? Anyone see this?
[03:11] <Flannel> LinuxGuy2009: Slow down there cowboy
[03:11] <genii> linuxguy2009: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and note the port change to 8001 from 6667 (as well as whatever firmware changes were recommended)
[03:11] <LinuxGuy2009> I just changed my port to 8001 in pidgin
[03:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Newest firmware
[03:12] <Flannel> LinuxGuy2009: right, and you were just tested and passed, it seems.
[03:12] <genii> Also try to remember it takes usually longer than 3-4 seconds to form replies
[03:12] <LinuxGuy2009> Can I join #ubuntu now? That ok?
[03:13] <Flannel> LinuxGuy2009: your forward has been removed, so yes.
[03:13] <LinuxGuy2009> thank you
[03:13] <Flannel> Apparently didn't read the topic until after he left here the first time.
[03:17] <genii> Hehe
[04:14] <genii> I'm out, Peace
[07:25] <elky> topyli, i'm assuming he's a regular?
[07:26] <topyli> no. hence no ban
[07:27] <topyli> you think that was too fast?
[07:28] <elky> topyli, oh i at least give them a chance to hang themselves properly, like asking for an apology.
[07:28] <elky> that way people cant complain that we're nuking without trying to mediate and all that hippy stuff.
[07:29] <topyli> elky: that's better i guess. will try to hold it next time
[07:29] <elky> :)
[08:31] <ikonia> tobeno1: you are running bots again
[09:26] <Tm_T> hug me?
[10:14]  * ikonia hugs Tm_T 
[12:17] <Seeker`> tobeno1: how can we help you?
[12:17] <tobeno1> why
[12:17] <Seeker`> why what?
[12:18] <tobeno1> i am sorry.
[12:19] <jussi01> Seeker`: he is here because of bot in #ubuntu
[12:19] <jussi01> I just wasnt quick enough...
[12:19] <jussi01> ergh
[12:19] <jussi01> its ikonia's ban iirc
[12:31] <jussi01> !idle | wizzo
[12:57] <eviljussi01> mrgh.
[13:51] <ikonia> jussi01: I've requested nal to take a look due to him running bots again
[13:51] <ikonia>  /who 125.77.120.41
[13:51] <Pici> psst, they're in the channel now
[13:52] <ikonia> it' ok - I saw him rejoin, but that doesn't change my fat fingers
[13:52] <ikonia> he doesn't appear to be running a bot at this time but was earlier
[13:52] <ikonia> fande: would you like to comment on running bots again ?
[13:58] <fande> ubot2?ubot3?ubot4?ubouttu?
[13:59] <fande> are they all bots?!
[14:00] <fande> they are all bots!!do you understand?!
[14:01] <Pici> fande: They are all official channel bots. And only ubottu is in #ubuntu.
[14:02] <fande> sorry.i don't know
[14:05] <fande> +ikonia ask me about the bots everytime.i afraid to add in ubuntu.
[14:09] <fande> hi
[14:09] <Pici> fande: You were running a bot in #ubuntu.
[14:09] <Pici> Correct?
[14:09] <fande> no
[14:10] <Pici> ikonia: ping?
[14:10] <fande> i never let any bots in ubuntu
[14:11] <fande> i promise
[14:11] <Pici> fande: I'm not that familiar with your case here, but ikonia is. please wait a moment for him to return.
[14:12] <fande> ok
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: sorry I was away from my desk
[14:17] <ikonia> fande: you've been running bots in #ubuntu and been caught. nalioth from Freenode staff also caught you running them in other channels and banned from the whole network for a period of time. I caught you earlier running the same bots again.
[14:17] <fande> how can you know that?
[14:18] <ikonia> I have asked nalioth as a staff member to investigate this further before looking at your ban from #ubuntu
[14:18] <fande> i have a long time not to run bot in freenode since you ask me not in ubuntu
[14:18] <fande> and i never let it in ubuntu
[14:19] <ikonia> fande: you where also told to not run them in freenode - yet I caught you running them earlier
[14:19] <ikonia> hence my asking nalioth a freenode staff member to investigate this futher
[14:20] <fande> oh god.
[14:21] <fande> them?  i don't have many bots.
[14:21] <ikonia> fande: I'm going to pass your ban to nalioth to investigate this further as I could see at least one bot running earlier
[14:22] <fande> yeah,it run in cheers
[14:22] <ikonia> no - you ran it in ##linux
[14:23] <fande> yeah.afternoon i run it in linux
[14:23] <ikonia> nalioth: told you not to run bots on freenode
[14:24] <fande> no i don't get the information
[14:24] <fande> i just think not in ubuntu
[14:24] <ikonia> lets wait for nalioth to arrive
[14:24] <fande> i only let bot in only twice these days
[14:25] <ikonia> I can't be certain of that, lets wait for nalioth please
[14:25] <fande> my teacher just want to get the relationship from chat.so i run it.
[14:25] <ikonia> fande: you where explictly told to remove the bots from freenode
[14:25] <fande> but the bot not in freenode
[14:26] <ikonia> the freenode network
[14:26] <fande> it is in my computer
[14:26] <ikonia> you did not and was removed from the network
[14:26] <ikonia> ok - I don't wish to discuss this further until nalioth is available
[14:26] <fande> it is not harmful to society
[14:26] <ikonia> that is not the point - you don't seem able to follwo the instuctions of staff members. Please wait for nalioth to arrive
[14:28] <fande> ???!!!!!!
[14:28] <ikonia> please wait for nalioth to arrive
[14:29] <fande> ok,if i have time
[14:30] <fande> why you can run ubot2 ubot3 ubot3 in ubuntu.but i can't
[14:30] <ikonia> because they are authorized bots
[14:31] <fande> i just for test,not other aims
[14:32] <nalioth> fande: running bots in channels without the channel owners permission isn't a welcome behavior here
[14:32] <fande> ok
[14:33] <fande> i will never run it in freenode again
[14:33] <fande> but i don't know who's the channel owener
[14:33] <nalioth> fande: /msg chanserv info #channel-name will tell you
[14:35] <fande> thank you
[14:36] <fande> i am not popular in ubuntu because of the bot
[14:38] <ikonia> fande: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu for you. Please don't run any bots in any #ubuntu channels
[14:39] <fande> what's ban?
[14:39] <nalioth> fande: you can join #ubuntu now.  please don't run any more bots on the network  :)
[14:39] <fande> ok i never run it in ubuntu .
[14:40] <fande> but my teacher let me have a test for students to chat in cheers.
[14:40] <ikonia> I think nalioth said the network as in any channel on the freenode network
[14:40] <fande> can i run it again
[14:41] <nalioth> fande: please follow the network policies, okay?  they're all at http://freenode.net
[14:41] <fande> ok
[14:41] <fande> thanks
[17:26] <jussi01> !logs
[17:51] <genii> Weird that he called them in there about #ubuntu-devel issue
[17:51] <Amaranth> Cut-R is in there
[17:52] <Amaranth> dunno if he knows the topic can't be changed
[17:52] <genii> Ah, OK
[17:53] <Pricey> Gimme a shout if you see that guy elsewhere.
[17:53] <elky> i typically am not french-literate, but even i can figure what that's saying.
[17:53] <Pricey> He's not responding to PM.
[18:48] <LjL> am i the only one being often highlighted by [19:48:30] <-- NorwayGeek has left this server ("sudo rm -rf /"). and not liking it?
[18:50] <genii> Apparently... you have the dreaded rm command on your hightlight?
[18:50] <LjL> i sure do
[18:51] <LjL> it's actually a violet highlight, same as the dcc send
[18:53] <LjL> well, i'll just be going then. once upon a time that would have been a redirect here
[18:53] <genii> I just PMd him to change it
[18:53] <Tm_T> hmmh, should be dealt with, don't you think?
[18:53] <Tm_T> ...
[18:53] <genii> eg: /msg NorwayGeek your exit comment on your client contains a command we would rather not see here "sudo rm -rf /" . it would be appreciated if you change it.
[18:54] <Tm_T> reply?
[19:00] <genii> Yes, protesting it doesn't work but changing it anyhow
[19:00] <genii> Apologies on lag, work
[19:07] <Tm_T> (:)
[20:32] <natsy> hi
[20:32] <Tm_T> hello
[20:33] <Flannel> Hi natsy, how can we help you today?
[20:33] <natsy> got an inviter in there
[20:33] <natsy> dont know if it matters on freenode, just thought 'd let you guys know
[20:33] <Flannel> natsy: Who?
[20:33] <natsy> blacksun
[20:35] <natsy> shall i part now
[20:35] <Flannel> natsy: Sure, thanks for letting us know.
[20:35] <natsy> np
[20:36] <Flannel> #thelodge apparently?
[20:40] <Flannel> He says he won't do it again, I think.
[21:35] <MenZa> I think it's time we did something about LjL soon.
[21:35] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:52 UTC] <MenZa> You know the IrcGuidelines cover you as well, I trust.
[21:35] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:15 UTC] <LjL> you know when to enact them, i trust.
[21:35] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:33 UTC] <MenZa> Dude, just don't. You know what this'll lead to, eventually.
[21:35] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:38 UTC] <MenZa> as much as I'd rather not.
[21:35] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:52 UTC] <LjL> you're assuming that i care
[21:35] <MenZa> as per the replies in -ot
[21:37] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:29:18 UTC] <LjL> look, i don't give a fuck. lately, it's totally ridiculous the way ops have behaved - as far as i'm concerned, i'll do whatever i feel like, since what's in the ops' mind can be taken to be random
[21:40] <MenZa> jussi01, Pici, elky
[21:41] <MenZa> LjL: I am unaware who is around right now, but I don't think a lot of people will be. Let's resume where we left off, though.
[21:41] <LjL> feel free to provide a little backscroll.
[21:41] <MenZa> I have.
[21:41] <MenZa> Just before you joined.
[21:42] <MenZa> But, to be honest, I think this is something that should be raised with the IRC-C. I'm in a bit over my head here.
[21:42] <LjL> so, i don't exactly know what you were saying about the "stepping down" section of anything.
[21:42] <LjL> as i already mentioned, i am not interested in raising anything with the IRCC
[21:42] <MenZa> No, but the IRCC is the governing body of the Ubuntu IRC namespace.
[21:43] <MenZa> And I will happily raise this issue myself.
[21:43] <LjL> ok, so have them contact me when they are ready.
[21:43] <MenZa> I will do.
[21:43] <LjL> see you
[21:43] <MenZa> oh dear lord.
[21:50] <Flannel> MenZa: Where was that initial conversation?
[21:50] <MenZa> Flannel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:51] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:24:53 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: that's bcause it is horribly confusing.
[21:51] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:24:56 UTC] < LjL> also, because you're dumb.
[21:51] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:02 UTC] < MenZa> LjL: that's not very nice :(
[21:51] <MenZa> The initial conversation held up there ^ was in a /query
[21:51] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:11 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: bit like your face then
[21:51] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:35 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: only to your mom
[21:51] <Flannel> MenZa: aye, just found it.
[21:52] <MenZa> I've just typed out an e-mail to the IRCC with full logs attached
[21:52] <MenZa> Something needs to be done about this
[21:52] <Flannel> He has gotten a bit beliggerent
[21:53] <MenZa> He's become a pain in -ot, imo
[21:53] <MenZa> Flannel: Would you agree consulting the IRCC on this matter would be the appropriate course of action?
[21:55] <Flannel> If you're so inclined, sure.  I don't really feel they need to be involved any moreso than they are being in this channel though.
[21:55] <Flannel> But, that's just personal preference, I imagine.
[21:55] <MenZa> They don't appear to be around currently.
[21:56] <MenZa> Flannel: Remember, I'm fairly knew to all this, I'm not quite into the whole workflow yet :)
[21:56] <Flannel> MenZa: ah, well, they're all asleep right now, but they'll wake up and read scrollback whenever they wake up.
[21:56]  * MenZa saves draft, awaits.
[21:57] <MenZa> elky, jussi01, Pici, nalioth - please do read the backscroll of this channel when you're around :)
[21:57] <MenZa> now they most certainly are!
[21:57] <Flannel> MenZa: Most people will, even non-IRCC people.  So yeah, if you haven't seen discussion here in the next day or so, you could ping them via email just because it's guaranteed to get to them.
[21:57] <MenZa> Shall do.
[21:57] <Seeker`> what on earth was that about?
[21:59] <MenZa> Seeker`: See this backlog from -ot
[21:59] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:24:53 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: that's bcause it is horribly confusing.
[21:59] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:24:56 UTC] < LjL> also, because you're dumb.
[21:59] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:02 UTC] < MenZa> LjL: that's not very nice :(
[21:59] <Flannel> MenZa: He can page up ;)
[21:59] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:11 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: bit like your face then
[21:59] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:35 UTC] < LjL> MenZa: only to your mom
[21:59] <MenZa> Well, yes, but I'm lazy like that, and like having logs there for my convenience :P
[22:04] <LjL> excuse me but i don't like only part of my query with menza being reported, so if that's not a problem, i'd like to give it in full.
[22:05] <Seeker`> MenZa: what is "it" in this context?
[22:05] <Seeker`> LjL: i don't have a problem with it
[22:05] <LjL> i guess it would be menza who might or might not have a problem, since that was a private query with him.
[22:06] <MenZa> Pardon?
[22:06] <LjL> MenZa: i'd like to report the whole of our query.
[22:06] <Seeker`> MenZa: he wants to paste your PM in here
[22:06] <MenZa> No need, I can do that.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:42 UTC] *** Irssi: Starting query in freenode with LjL
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:25:52 UTC] <MenZa> You know the IrcGuidelines cover you as well, I trust.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:15 UTC] <LjL> you know when to enact them, i trust.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:33 UTC] <MenZa> Dude, just don't. You know what this'll lead to, eventually.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:38 UTC] <MenZa> as much as I'd rather not.
[22:07] <LjL> i did intend to use a pastebin, however
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:52 UTC] <LjL> you're assuming that i care
[22:07] <LjL> such as http://pastebin.ca/CrgrMurU password "ubuntu"
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:26:57 UTC] <MenZa> yes, yes I do
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:27:02 UTC] <MenZa> if not, why would you else be in -ot?
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:27:19 UTC] <LjL> that's a very good question
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:27:47 UTC] <MenZa> It would be.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:29:18 UTC] <LjL> look, i don't give a fuck. lately, it's totally ridiculous the way ops have behaved - as far as i'm concerned, i'll do whatever i feel like, since what's in the ops' mind can be taken to be random
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:29:41 UTC] <MenZa> Raise it with the IRC Council, then.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:29:48 UTC] <LjL> no
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:29:56 UTC] <LjL> i am not interested
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:30:27 UTC] <MenZa> if you're not interested in attempting to change what you see as the problem, I don't see what you can do but abide by the guidelines set out.
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:30:43 UTC] <LjL> i didn't start this conversation
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:31:06 UTC] <MenZa> I would like to point out that, when you were a member of the IRC team, you agreed to abide by the Leadership Code of Conduct
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:31:19 UTC] <LjL> now i am not a member of the irc team
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:31:23 UTC] <MenZa> no
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:31:31 UTC] <MenZa> I would like to point you to the "Stepping Down" section
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:31:46 UTC] <MenZa> this is also covered in the CoC
[22:07] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:32:00 UTC] <LjL> i'll continue this conversation only in #ubuntu-ops
[22:08] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:32:21 UTC] <MenZa> This doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[22:08] <MenZa> I don't believe in making these snippets available in any form other than in this very channel.
[22:08] <LjL> you surely are aware, menza, that they will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/25/%23ubuntu-ops.html in 52 minutes.
[22:08] <Seeker`> MenZa: what was the "it" that started this conversation?
[22:09] <MenZa> LjL: I was not. But there you go.
[22:09] <MenZa> Seeker`: The snippet I pasted further up, from -ot
[22:09] <LjL> MenZa: then you might want your friends here to explain to you what "ubuntulog" is for here
[22:09] <MenZa> LjL: Please don't give me that tone.
[22:10] <Seeker`> the snippet started with "thats because it is horribly confusing"
[22:10] <MenZa> It's unnecessary, and does not contribute to this conversation.
[22:10] <MenZa> [2009-09-25 20:24:04 UTC] < MenZa> I am *trying* to tunnel my HTTP connections through SSH, but I am so, so, so confused.
[22:10] <MenZa> Seeker`: ^
[22:10] <LjL> there is no conversation, since you prefer to have this go through the irc council to begin with
[22:10] <LjL> you did slow down my client considerably with that paste, however
[22:10] <LjL> oh well
[22:11]  * MenZa is in over his head.
[22:12] <Seeker`> if a random started behaving like that, they would be kicked at least
[22:13] <MenZa> Seeker`: I figured I'd remind him of his past before I took any actions. He knows the rules.
[22:16] <Seeker`> he clearly isn't interested in following the rules
[22:16] <MenZa> indeed
[22:17] <Seeker`> he has basically said a few times, I don't like the rules, I don't feel that I can change them so I'll just ignore them
[22:24] <MenZa> Seeker`: I'll see what comments I've gotten in the morning.
[22:31] <nalioth> MenZa: i'm sorry, but i'm terribly confused over all this pasting
[22:32] <Seeker`> nalioth: basically this:
[22:32] <Seeker`> Ljl: <insult>
[22:32] <Seeker`> Menza: <you know the rules>
[22:33] <Seeker`> Ljl: <I don't care>
[23:27] <Pricey> MenZa: Available for P?
[23:27] <Pricey> *PM?
[23:28] <MenZa> Pricey: always
[23:34] <Seeker`> always, eh?
[23:35] <MenZa> Seeker`: Always. :)
[23:36] <MenZa> It started with this line in -ot:
[23:36] <MenZa> < MenZa> I am *trying* to tunnel my HTTP connections through SSH, but I am so, so, so confused.
[23:37] <MenZa> This led to a string of insults from LjL (I assume you'll look them up yourself), including calling me 'dumb', and references to, uh, my mother. (This sounds weird when retold like this)
[23:37] <Pricey> MenZa: ahem
[23:37]  * MenZa coughs
[23:39] <jpds> Fail.
[23:41] <MenZa> Rather.
[23:43] <jpds> I so wish I could do: ubottu: tell penguin42 about orly