[09:19] <mac_v> tormod , tseliot i get the crash with the x-updates package too
[09:19] <tseliot> mac_v: with -ati and the new mesa?
[09:20] <mac_v> yeah
[09:20]  * mac_v checking logs
[09:21] <mac_v> tseliot: what/where am i supposed to look for?
[09:22] <mac_v> the xorg log has no time :(
[09:22] <tseliot> can you ssh into that machine from another one, reproduce the crash and have a look at the log and at dmesg?
[09:23]  * mac_v has only 1 linux system 
[09:23]  * mac_v also not an ssh noob ;)
[09:23] <mac_v> also a*
[12:32] <cwillu> tjaalton, sorry, I did that thing where I ask a question and then drive around rural saskatchewan for two days
[12:33] <cwillu> re: power management patches, I lost track of the bug number, as the notification stopped showing up even though the display still went in and out of power saving just like it has been.
[12:34] <cwillu> The laptop had been on for a while though, I'll update and reboot again; basically ignore me until I post back on that bug saying it's still not working :p
[12:39] <tjaalton> we know it's not working
[20:36] <Turl> hi
[20:36] <Turl> Do you currently see some splash on karmic shutdown?