[00:01] <TheKernel> yea
[00:02] <tehC0unt> hey hows it goin
[00:02] <TheKernel> its going
[00:02] <tehC0unt> same here
[00:02] <tehC0unt> ive been trying to get this pci card to work all afternoon
[00:02] <TheKernel> really
[00:02] <TheKernel> what is it?
[00:03] <tehC0unt> its a linksys 10/100 ethernet card
[00:03] <tehC0unt> see i had another one in the comp
[00:03] <tehC0unt> but it wasnt working so i bought a new one
[00:03] <tehC0unt> tried this new one in 2 different ports
[00:03] <tehC0unt> no luck
[00:04] <tehC0unt> the old one was at least recognized this one doesnt get picked up
[00:04] <tehC0unt> but it lights up in the back when i have the cord plugged in
[00:04] <tehC0unt> and now lspci does not bring it up
[00:04] <tehC0unt> i dk if i need to install new drivers or what
[00:06] <TheKernel> hrm
[00:06] <tehC0unt> unless its a problem on the motherboard or something
[00:06] <TheKernel> did you google the model to see if there is known support for the card?
[00:06] <tehC0unt> thats all i can think of
[00:07] <TheKernel> I mean, 99% of network cards are supported out of the box but yeah
[00:07] <TheKernel> do you have a live CD?
[00:07] <tehC0unt> i have a live cd but i am going off installation right now
[00:07] <tehC0unt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCardsLinksys
[00:07] <tehC0unt> it says that the card does not work but it is autodetected
[00:07] <tehC0unt> this is not even autodetected so i dk
[00:07] <tehC0unt> also i dk when this list was updated last
[00:09] <TheKernel> 2005
[00:10] <tehC0unt> so chances are they have added it but maybe theyve stopped support all together
[00:20] <TheKernel> yeah
[00:23] <tehC0unt> so frustrating oh well
[00:39] <halp_meh> Hi there guys.
[00:40] <halp_meh> I'm new to linux, I just got a netbook and removed vista in favor of xubuntu, but I need a little help getting oriented.
[00:41] <halp_meh> ... anybody?
[00:41] <halp_meh> *cricketcricket*
[00:42] <halp_meh> ok, well, nevermind then
[01:18] <craigbass1976> What's the terminal in the applicaations menu called
[01:21] <craigbass1976> Or, I can figure it out myself if I could find some sort of menu editor
[01:21] <knome> hmm?
[01:21] <knome> xfce4-terminal
[01:21] <knome> craigbass1976, ^
[01:22] <craigbass1976> knome, command not found
[01:22] <knome> are you sure you are running xubuntu?
[01:22] <knome> gnome-terminal then?
[01:22] <craigbass1976> knome, oops, helps if I spell xfce right
[01:22] <knome> ;)
[01:23] <Legendre> howdy
[01:23] <knome> !hi | Legendre
[01:23] <Legendre> anyone care to offer some advice on updating an Edgy box to Jaunty?
[01:24] <Legendre> Can I just run the JJ installer, and wipe everything except /home?
[01:24] <knome> Legendre, edgy is already end of life
[01:24] <knome> Legendre, yes, that would work
[01:24] <Legendre> I have /, /home, /var, /boot, etc all on sep. parts. All ext3
[01:25] <Legendre> any issues with the very old ext3 fs on this box?
[01:25] <knome> Legendre, but remind you might need to delete some .* directories in your home for some things to work correctly
[01:25] <Legendre> is the latest ext3 full <compat?
[01:25] <knome> nope, ext3 is still good for use
[01:25] <craigbass1976> knome, I was running xterm with a keyboard shortcut and just realized tonight that I can't adjust font, and there's no scroll bar to look back at stuff...
[01:25] <Legendre> shift pgup/pgdn craigbass1976 ?
[01:26] <knome> craigbass1976, but xfce4-terminal works as expected?
[01:26] <Legendre> knome: to be clear, I can perform a custom install, and specify hdx for var, home, etc?
[01:27] <craigbass1976> knome, it does, I just coulnd't figure out what it was called in help -> about
[01:27] <Legendre> also, how do I add in my users, since they already have homedirs?
[01:27] <Legendre> will the add user app bitch about it, or wipe the existing dirs?
[01:27] <knome> Legendre, yes, you can select which partitions to use with which mount points
[01:28] <knome> Legendre, iirc, the user app will not say a thing if a user dir exists, it just keeps it like it was
[01:28] <knome> Legendre, backuping would not do any harm, though...
[01:30] <Legendre> agreed, but I dont have a facility for b/u
[01:30] <Legendre> pretty rinky-dink operation lol
[01:30] <Legendre> say, you mention removing certain .* files. Which should I be concerned with?
[01:30] <knome> well, you can create /home/something and backup there
[01:32] <knome> Legendre, everything might work ootb, but .cache and .config might be something you might want to remove. though, remember to backup .config if you have to remove it, as it will delete your configs on most of the apps
[01:32] <Legendre> I was considering renaming all the user homedirs to <user>.old, then creating all the users, and doing a little rmdir & mv action
[01:32] <Legendre> does that sound like a good start? My last line, I mean..
[01:32] <knome> yeah
[01:33] <knome> not bad at least
[01:33] <knome> but adding user should be relatively safe
[01:33] <knome> (userS)
[01:33] <Legendre> preserve all the .* files from the newly created dirs, diff them against the old dirs etc
[01:33] <knome> well if you are going to backup
[01:34] <knome> then just backup everything and start with clean homedirs
[01:34] <Legendre> I can't. Home is at 81%.. no room to create another copy on that part.
[01:34] <knome> :/
[01:36] <Legendre> anyway, as long as I can name my mountpoints, and tell the installer not to format home, I'm OK
[01:37] <knome> Legendre, yeah, you are able to do that. i think the idea of renaming every homedir to user.old is fine
[01:37] <Legendre> things have really come along since EE, can't wait to get JJ installed.
[01:37] <knome> karmic is als out soon
[01:37] <Legendre> ok, then that's the strategy
[01:37] <knome> and both of them have awesome artwork ;)
[01:37] <Legendre> what's the plan for the next lts release?
[01:38] <Legendre> I'm so lazy and out of the loop these days, ha
[01:39] <knome> plan regarding what?
[03:56] <turtle_> anyone running a wm other than xfce?
[03:57] <likemindead> Yep. Openbox here. :)
[03:57] <turtle_> how did you switch?
[03:58] <turtle_> I have downloaded icewm and fluxbox
[03:58] <turtle_> but when I select them it still loads xfce
[03:59] <likemindead> Oh... I'm actually running CrunchBang on my other computer.
[03:59] <likemindead> Using Xubuntu (Xfce) here.
[04:00] <turtle_> yeah I have a feeling a complete replace is going to be easiest
[04:00] <turtle_> I ran crunchbang on a usb and it boots in 63sec
[04:00] <turtle_> xubuntu on my ssd runs at 60sec
[04:00] <turtle_> way too long imo :(
[04:01] <likemindead> Strange.
[04:01] <turtle_> everyone tells me their xubuntu runs way faster
[04:02] <likemindead> Try a EeePC/netbook optimized distro?
[04:02] <turtle_> and xandros was 22sec bootime
[04:02] <turtle_> well the only thing with that is the restriction on the video output resolution
[04:02] <turtle_> i was considering eeebuntu but its resolution is capped at 800x400
[04:02] <likemindead> Easy Peasy is supposed to be really good.
[04:03] <likemindead> I put Mint 7 on my boss's EeePC and it's excellent.
[04:10] <turtle_> what eeepc model?
[04:10] <turtle_> yeah I have easy peasy iso but once again reso is capped
[04:10] <turtle_> might have to try it anyway
[04:11] <ldez1> likemindead: is that the PowerPC architecture?
[04:13] <likemindead> No.
[04:14] <ldez1> Dang, I'm fiending for a flavor of linux to put on my playstation3 which has a powerpc architecture.. Was hoping that Mint might be the answer.. :(
[04:15] <ldez1> A flavor where flash might actually work so I could watch hulu or something, that is.
[04:19] <ldez1> I installed the xubuntu ppc/ps3 version on it, but have had a heck of a time getting Gnash or MPlayer to work for more than 5 seconds on youtube videos.. then the player gives up... And hulu is just way over Gnash's head...
[04:20] <likemindead> Yeah... that's not surprising. :-\
[07:13] <balsaq> hey techie
[07:14] <techie> hey bal
[07:14] <techie> im in #compiz
[07:15] <balsaq> ordered puppy linux and xubuntu today
[07:53] <balsaq> techie are you using ff
[07:53] <techie> yeah
[07:53] <techie> and i got my graphics issues sorted
[07:53] <balsaq> could you do me a favor an open up your error console for a minute
[07:54] <balsaq> oh great
[07:54] <balsaq> what was it
[07:55] <techie> man soreau is a god
[07:55] <balsaq> he figured it out?
[07:55] <techie> yeah
[07:55] <techie> hes the first person in years
[07:56] <techie> and when i say years i mean ive been trying since 7.04
[07:56] <techie> even before
[07:57] <balsaq> can you open up your ff error concles for a minute techie
[07:57] <balsaq> console*
[07:57] <balsaq> is under tools if you are not familiar with it
[07:57] <techie> yep
[07:57] <techie> got it
[07:58] <balsaq> do you have lots of errors...i always do
[07:58] <balsaq> i have a lot of errors all the time in there
[07:58] <balsaq> is that just like a whole bunch of nuthin
[07:59] <balsaq> i just "clear them"
[07:59] <techie> just one on the default google ubuntu page
[07:59] <balsaq> reeally means nothing...right
[07:59] <techie> nothing at all
[07:59] <balsaq> i got 4 now and have seen the whole screen full of em
[08:00] <balsaq> parsing values for cursor...and all
[08:01] <techie> well unless they are errors that are directly affecting your browsing, i wouldnt worry
[08:10] <balsaq> gonna switch to the g4
[11:56] <Xyrnaes> Hi
[15:08] <mnemoc> hi, do you know any ppa with thunderbird-3.0 that doesn't kidnap firefox-3.5?
[15:17] <ocs> (xubuntu 9.04) hi. I use the digital clock widget from the list of widgets for my panel. unfortunately, I have to set the time manaully, and the clock becomes slower after some minutes. Is there a way to fix that ?
[15:19] <mnemoc> ocs: install ntp
[15:20] <ocs> thqanks mnemoc, and then ?
[15:21] <mnemoc> it will take care for you
[15:21] <ocs> ok, thanks
[15:30] <ocs> mnemoc: nothing solved....
[15:32] <mnemoc> ocs: check applications -> system -> time & date, if it's manual change it to autoamtic
[15:32] <Xyrnaes> ocs: You can use Orage-clock too
[15:35] <ocs> mnemoc: nothing solved yet.
[15:35] <ocs> Xyrnaes: the same problem occours with orage
[15:43] <Pres-Gas> Hey all.
[16:07] <mnemoc> do you know if thunderbird honors the preferred browser option of Xfce?
[16:10] <Pres-Gas> mnemoc, seems to from my end.  You may also want to set alternatives correctly.
[16:10] <Pres-Gas> !update-alternatives
[16:10] <Pres-Gas> LOL
[16:16]  * mnemoc trying
[16:25] <mnemoc> in my father's xubuntu (9.04) thunderbird (2.0) doesn't open links, firefox-3.5 is the preferred browser and firefox-3.0 was completely uninstalled. no reference to firefox in thunderbird's profile.... i ran out of ideas :(
[16:29] <Pres-Gas> Well, I am going to take a guess and say that since 3.5 was not fully cooked when 9.04 was released, there are no integration hooks as part of that package (like in 3.0).  You may want to see if update-alternatives can see your version of FF
[16:29] <Pres-Gas> You are likely going to have to hold its hand somewhere...or wait and upgrade to 9.10
[16:30] <mnemoc> do you know the keyword for update-alternatives? I did --all but didn't see anything related
[16:37] <Pres-Gas> mnemoc, x-www-browser possibly
[16:39] <Pres-Gas> You may have to use the --set option in update-alternatives to even have it see 3.5
[16:40] <Pres-Gas> I would look at the man page for update-alternatives very closely
[16:53] <mnemoc> sudo update-alternatives --list x-www-browser gives ff-3.5 as only option
[16:55] <mnemoc> ok, I cheated and now it works.... setting network.protocol-handler.app.http in .mozilla-thunderbird/$profile/user.js :)
[16:56] <mnemoc> it's not the most elegant solution, but it's working
[16:56] <mnemoc> thanks :)
[16:56] <Pres-Gas> ahhh, that must be where it is set here, mnemoc
[16:56]  * Pres-Gas looks
[17:58]  * likemindead is away: :::poot:::
[17:58] <knome> likemindead, please, turn the public away script off
[17:58]  * Sysi uses /away
[18:37]  * likemindead is back (gone 00:39:13)
[20:22] <alex_> hello
[20:22] <alex_> I switched from ati to a better nvidia card and i cant get the driver to install.
[20:23] <alex_> first the res was low. now i just cant install it. i have tried envy too
[20:24] <alex_> it says no proprietary driver to install. and envy has an error. granted I was messing about trying to get it to work
[20:33] <ldez1> Does xubuntu alert you about restricted drivers being available?
[20:36] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so, who is alive here right now?
[20:37] <ldez1> Hey Cyber
[20:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> yo
[20:37] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> btw ldez1, do you use macs by any chance?
[20:38] <ldez1> Ewwww, no
[20:39] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> lol
[20:39] <Sysi> at least mine xubuntu told me there is driver available
[20:39] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so.... if I wanted to install xubuntu on an old machine, a pentium 3 with 1 gig of pc133 sdram, how big a aswap partition, if any, should i make?
[20:40] <ldez1> how big is your hard drive?
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> i doubt ill be watching videos or playinmg games on the os, its just for recovery purposes
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ill have to see
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> i dont know how big itll appear once i plug it in
[20:40] <ldez1> if it were me i'd do a 1.5 to 2 gig swap
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> because of the whole lba thing
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> itll be somewhere betwen 120 and 140 gigs
[20:40] <ldez1> if hard drive space is an issue, you would be fine with 1gb
[20:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though ill be using like 120-130 for windows
[20:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> yeah, i just want it as a tiny recovery/emergency os
[20:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> not as a main ois
[20:42] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> how much for xubuntu itself then?
[20:42] <ldez1> 8-10 gb is the smallest i've put it on
[20:42] <ldez1> it really only takes what.. about 4gb.. i dont know off the top of my head
[20:43] <ldez1> but with updates and maybe you wanna install some recovery software or something, it's good to have a tiny bit of wiggle room
[20:43] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> hmm
[20:43] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 10 gigs is kinda a lot
[20:43] <ldez1> go with 7 or 8 then
[20:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> 7+1 i guess then
[20:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> how does a livecd take up almost a dvd9's worth of space once installed?
[20:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> i mean, if it wasnt a livecd i would understand through compression...
[20:46] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> now i just need to fix my mac
[20:46] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> the parts for my desktop that i am going to dulboot xp/xubunu on just arrived
[20:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> hope xubuntu plaus nice with all the installed pci, agp, and isa cards in there.....
[20:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> that desktop is a mess
[20:47] <ldez1> According to http://www.xubuntu.org/get it requires 1.5 gb
[20:47] <ldez1> I guess I was thinking of Ubuntu
[20:48] <ldez1> But on my xubuntu machine it seems like after installation the updates and putting on some fairly minimal software, it jumped up to around 4 or so gb
[20:49] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> its going to be so much work getting everythig reinstalled on that thing
[20:49] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I mean, the last time i installed win2000 on it was like, half a decade ago
[20:49] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> but the install is hopelessly messed up by now
[20:56] <oxyz> hi, anyone can tell me how to put my program icons on the menu bar?
[20:56] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> drag them there
[20:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> same way you do it on a mac or window
[20:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> windows*
[20:57] <knome> oxyz, right-click, add new items -> launcher
[20:57] <ldez1> Do the programs have icons on your menu? Just right click them and go for "Add launcher to panel"
[20:57] <knome> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, drag&drop doesn't work in xfce.
[20:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> xfce?
[20:57] <oxyz> thanks knome :)
[20:57] <knome> xfce, the desktop environment of xubuntu.
[20:57] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> i thought it was gnome
[20:58] <ldez1> That's Ubuntu
[20:58] <knome> hah, it's not. ubuntu ships with gnome.
[20:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> my mistake
[20:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> great
[20:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> so I have to learn ANOTHER gui once i start using ubuntu
[20:58] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> as if kde wasnt confusing enough with my opensuse install
[20:59] <ldez1> They will be pretty similar for you.
[20:59] <ldez1> xfce is just lighter weight.
[21:01] <knome> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, just curious, why do you want to switch to gnome?
[21:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> ?
[21:01] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> who said anthing about that
[21:02] <likemindead> Ubuntu uses GNOME.
[21:06] <knome> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, you said you are going to start using ubuntu
[21:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I do, on this laptop........ every now and then
[21:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> xubuntu is an emergency backup is for my desktop
[21:06] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> os*
[21:09] <knome> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, ok, so may i ask why you like ubuntu more than xubuntu?
[21:14] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> isnt xubuntu supposed to be basically ubuntu lite for weaker systems?
[21:14] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> my laptop is fairly decent
[21:14] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> the one im using right now, but its got my win7 hdd in it right now
[21:15] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> though its 3d hardware is flat otu pathetic
[21:15] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> cant run some of the weakest games
[21:16] <knome> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, not exactly only that
[21:17] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I actually triple boot it, used to quad boot but that os didnt run well
[21:20] <likemindead> Xubuntu is less bloated.
[21:20] <likemindead> But no "weaker."
[21:23] <slow-motion> hi
[21:25] <knome> !hi | slow-motion
[21:25] <likemindead> facepalm.jpg
[21:29] <genii> [16:23:59] <genii> !hi
[21:29] <genii> [16:24:00] <ubottu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[21:29] <genii> Hehe, sorry
[21:29] <genii> (stupid multiline paste)
[21:44] <Ese> Can I do a minimal install, just the CLI with a live xubuntu CD?
[21:44] <knome> !minimal | Ese
[21:45] <Ese> right... "with a live xubuntu CD"
[21:45] <knome> no, i don't think you can do that.
[22:38] <slow-motion> n8
[23:00] <oxyz> could anyone help me out, installing my graphics drivers and intalling steam into xubuntu 8.04 Hardy - Graphic Card Ati Radeon 9200 Series
[23:02] <knome> oxyz, have you tried jockey (applications -> system -> hardware drivers)?
[23:02] <oxyz> yes, nothing appears to me
[23:03] <knome> oxyz, what is the particular problem?
[23:03] <oxyz> i dont know how to install the drivers on xubuntu
[23:03] <knome> you might not need drivers.
[23:04] <knome> is everything okay?
[23:04] <techie> arent you the guy from #ubuntu last night?
[23:04] <oxyz> no, i appear on #ubuntu 2 days ago. @knome yes, it's everything okay
[23:05] <knome> oxyz, you don't need a driver then.
[23:05] <oxyz> since steamInstaller is an .msi, how do i install it? i can't do with wine :s
[23:06] <knome> oxyz, have you read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/HowTo/InstallingSteam
[23:10] <oxyz> Gecko is now downloading, thanks for the help btw
[23:10] <knome> tc|idle, please consider not using awaynicks.
[23:10] <knome> oxyz, no problem. one search on google usually helps more than you might imagine...
[23:11] <oxyz> in fact, i searched, and i found something but it was giving error's on oppening steamInstaller.msi
[23:12] <oxyz> is it normal appear in the terminal fixme?
[23:12] <knome> sorry i didn't catch that, can you try to rephrase?
[23:14] <oxyz> is it normal appear in the terminal fixme?
[23:14] <knome> i don't understand what you are trying to say, sorry.
[23:14] <oxyz> is it normal appear in the terminal fixme?
[23:14] <knome> repeating doesn't help.
[23:15] <knome> try to use another words
[23:15] <oxyz> is it normal appearing on the terminal: fixme during installation of Gecko?
[23:15] <knome> ah, right. i suppose that happens with wine now and then. nothing to worry about, though.
[23:16] <knome> if the installation goes well anyway, just ignore those