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nixternalgrr, what happened to pykde4 api docs?03:27
nixternalderr03:32
nixternalfyi: api.kde.org has the updated api docs for pykde4 under 4.3. It is different, so don't get lost, under the 'Table of Contents' there is a link for 'Class Reference' right before the FAQ03:33
dtchennixternal: i heard a rumour that you're here in columbus, oh04:29
nixternalreally?04:29
nixternalyou know a lot of people were sms'ing me, calling me, direct messages via twitter and identi.ca, as well as messaging me on IRC asking where I was at04:30
dtchenoh?04:33
nixternalya, I am not in Columbus, I am where all of the cool people are, Chicago!04:36
ScottKnixternal: Snow yet?04:39
nixternalI wish04:39
nixternalsoon though, I can feel it in the air04:40
nixternalfinally getting into the 30s at night04:40
ScottKDamn KDE has a lot of packages.04:41
dtchenyou got that right04:41
* ScottK is doing KDE 4.2.4 PPA -> Jaunty Backports like I said in his mail today.04:41
ScottKSo I get to upload all of them ....04:42
nixternaloh boy that sounds like a lot of fun04:42
ScottKThat'd be one word for it.04:43
ScottKNot the one I'd pick though.04:43
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eviljussi01grumble. karmic didnt start x after the last update...09:16
eviljussi01who broke it...?09:16
kjeldahlIf you're on x64, it may be kdebase-workspace related. If so, updating and upgrading should fix it.09:21
cbrhello, i updated to latest kdm in karmic12:32
cbrbut kdm wont start now12:32
kjeldahlcbr: amd64 arch? There was a problem which has already been fixed. You may want to try update and upgrade again if you haven't.12:34
cbri3812:34
cbr612:34
kjeldahlOh, no idea then. Sorry.12:34
kjeldahlYou sure it is kdm? Does "startx" work?12:35
cbrkdm main process terminated with status 112:38
cbrand then it respawns it liek 10 times in 1 second12:38
cbrand then says "kdm respawning too fast, stopped"12:38
kjeldahlOk, I have no idea. Sorry.12:39
cbrstartx starts openbox12:39
kjeldahlThen it definitively sounds like a kdm problem yes.12:40
tsimpsonit could be Bug 43706712:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437067 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not start (upstart) - error in /etc/init/kdm.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43706712:40
cbruhm..12:42
cbryup12:44
cbrthat fixes stuff12:44
* ScottK suspects nixternal's upstartification of KDM.14:18
ScottKRiddell: I did upload almost all of KDE 4.2.4 to jaunty-backports.  I'm just waiting for the last of it to depwait, I'll upload kde4libs, and we'll be off and running.14:19
ScottKryanakca: Would you be able to put an announcement on the web site later today that KDE 4.2.4 for Jaunty has moved from PPA to jaunty-backports (not yet though)15:18
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davidef1986hi16:33
davidef1986i've just updated karmic 9.10 from the repo...16:33
davidef1986as the result X no longer start16:34
ScottKYou aren't the first to report this issue, but there is no resolution at the moment.16:34
* ScottK wonders if Riddell noticed...16:34
davidef1986the init.d script say that i should use start kdm to start it but it doesn't work16:34
davidef1986no way ? even manually ?16:35
davidef1986atm i started kde using startx16:35
davidef1986but i've got some issue with it16:35
ScottKNot that I know of, but I haven't had a chance to look into it in detail.16:35
davidef1986ok16:35
davidef1986is there a change that a later update will fix or it's better to reinstall it ?16:36
ScottKIt is almost certain a later update will fix it.16:36
davidef1986ok so i can wait16:37
davidef1986thank you16:37
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Zorixany work around for the kdm problem in karmic?16:40
yuriyScottK: maybe this is Riddell & nixternal's upstart script?16:41
* yuriy notes not to update today16:41
ScottKyuriy: I'm reasonably certain it is, but I've no idea how to fix it.16:41
kjeldahlIf it's the bug mentioned earlier, symlinking /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm should work until the fix gets propagated.16:41
ScottKZorix: Not that we know of.  Maybe download the old KDM from launchpad and reinstall it.16:42
ScottKOK.16:42
ScottKZorix and davidef1986 ^^ suggested workaround16:42
davidef1986see16:43
davidef1986l'll test on next reboot ;)16:43
RiddellKDM broken?16:44
davidef1986yes16:44
ZorixScottK, ok good idea i will look for the previous kdm package, thanks16:44
Riddellfooey16:44
kjeldahlLaunchpad bug 437067 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not start (upstart) - error in /etc/init/kdm.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43706716:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437067 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not start (upstart) - error in /etc/init/kdm.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43706716:44
ScottKRiddell: Would you please accept kde4libs in jaunty-backports.  LP is too broken to do it through the web UI16:50
Riddellok16:51
nixternalRiddell: ya, kdm is broken :)  /me thinks it could be the 'exec kdm' part as that is noticibly different from my script16:51
nixternalfyi: you can just use 'sudo kdm' for the time being to get in16:52
Riddelluploading the fix on bug 43706716:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437067 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not start (upstart) - error in /etc/init/kdm.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43706716:52
nixternalor startx, or whatever other way you like to get in :)16:52
nixternalRiddell: I also noticed all the extra whitespace at the end of the lines in kdm.conf16:52
nixternalI just edited my kdm.conf to log back in16:53
mfraz74startx doesn't seem to allow the sound to work16:54
Zorixmodification of kdm.conf to correct the path fixed it16:56
Zorixthanks guys16:56
ScottKRiddell and nixternal: I was thinking if we set up a separate LP project for our PPA builds, then people could file bugs related to PPA packages there.16:57
nixternal+116:57
nixternalZorix: what path needed fixing? I just woke up so it didn't stick out to me :)16:58
Riddell/usr/sbin -> /usr/bin in the first line16:58
ScottKRiddell: Thanks (for kde4libs)16:58
nixternalI looked right past that16:59
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Zorixyea thats it17:02
nixternalRiddell: did you get rid of the "HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=true" line as well?17:09
nixternalwe don't need that17:09
yuriyScottK: +1 on ppa project17:11
yuriyspeaking of ppa bugs, nixternal do you know what needs to be removed for bug 415237?17:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 415237 in kde4libs "Can't report KDE bugs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41523717:13
nixternalyuriy: yes, but it was decided that we would use apport and redirect all bugs to LP instead of KDE17:14
nixternalit is a khelpmenu.cpp hack in kdelibs17:14
nixternalkubuntu_51 is the patch iirc17:14
yuriynixternal: but this is on Jaunty17:15
nixternaloh, then you can remove that kubuntu_51 lp integration patch17:15
yuriynixternal: is none of that in the regular jaunty packages?17:16
nixternalthough I don't know if you want to remove all of it, because it also contains the stuff for the translation menu item under help17:16
nixternalif you have a link to the .dsc file, I can fix it and upload it if you would like17:17
yuriyalso i'd looked at that patch and it looks to me like it just removes the menu item17:17
yuriynvm there is the code17:17
nixternalhrmm, i wonder if that patch is different than what is in karmic then17:17
nixternalok, groovy17:17
nixternalya, I commented out the lines I replaced, so it is an easy fix17:18
yuriyis this in bzr?17:19
yuriyso many tools to (re)learn17:19
nixternalfor karmic it is17:19
nixternalhehe17:19
nixternalya, I need to learn git now it seems17:19
nixternalthe world is switching to git these days17:19
ScottKOK, registered a project: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa17:21
ScottKGotta run.  I'll work on getting it set up more later.17:21
Riddellnixternal: no although I don't think it does anything17:26
RiddellI don't think much of that script does anything17:26
nixternalit doesn't :) so it can go17:26
nixternalRiddell: if it doesn't do much of anything, then the old /etc/init.d/kdm didn't do much of anything17:26
yuriyif it doesn't do much of anything, it should be cut down for unnoticeably faster startup :)17:27
nixternalso it can be 'exec kdm' and that's it probably, with of course making sure that kdm is the default dm17:28
Riddelldebian has all this @@@ToBeReplaced stuff which we don't, and I can't remember why we don't, if it's deliberate or accidental17:29
nixternalRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/278852/17:30
* nixternal notes that pastebinit is awesome!17:31
nixternalthat works great :)17:36
yuriybuilding kde4libs expecting it to fail, what fun17:51
yuriywell that didn't get very far17:51
yuriyhow do i add repositories to pbuilder?17:52
yuriyoh figured it out17:56
yuriyok no, this isn't quite working18:04
yuriyhow do i add both the ppa and -updates?18:04
yuriyfor pbuilder18:04
Riddellyuriy: sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login, edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; control-d is what I do18:13
Riddellnixternal: I'd like to find out why we don't have the @@@ToBeRepaced stuff from Debian in our kdmrc first18:13
nixternalI thought we did, at least in the past we did18:13
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QuintasanRiddell: ping18:16
yuriywhy does vim require libsqlite o_O18:21
yuriythanks Riddell looks like it's working18:30
RiddellQuintasan: hi19:05
QuintasanRiddell: my parents wanted to know how I'm going to stay there, do I need to bring my father or mother along?19:06
RiddellQuintasan: sponsored guests (and of course there's no guarantee you'll get sponsorship that's still being worked on) get a bed in a hotel19:07
RiddellI don't know if canonical has a policy on minors, it's up to you who you bring along as far as I care, how old are you?19:08
Quintasan1619:08
ScottKryanakca brought his Dad to UDS Barcelona.19:09
Riddellwhich in Scotland is the age of legal emancipation so you can jolly well do what you like, the culture and law may be different in the US I don't know19:09
ScottKThe culture is definitely different (18).19:09
* ScottK pleads ignorance of the law.19:09
Quintasanwell, I will talk to my father first, and to my brother then19:11
Riddellthe other person would have to pay travel, food and accomodation themselves19:11
RiddellQuintasan: you should sign up at summit.ubuntu.com if you havn't already19:11
QuintasanI should fill out the sponsorship request form?19:13
Riddellyes19:13
QuintasanThe biggest problem now will be getting visa, my sis went to USA few years ago and she told me it take even three month to get a visa :/19:15
Quintasanmay take*19:15
nixternalpeople just do not listen19:18
Quintasan?19:19
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ScottKnixternal: I made https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa and put the Ninjas in charge of it.20:17
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RiddellScottK: topic change means you recon KDM got fixed?22:30
ScottKRiddell: I'm assuming.22:31
ScottKI waited for your fix to build and get published.22:31
Riddellanyone out there installed it to check?22:31
ScottKNot that I've heard.22:31
Riddellsaturday night, they're all out partying, geeks weren't like this in my day22:32
NightroseRiddell: missing you in the other channel for dot review ;-)22:46
Nightrosehttp://dot.kde.org/2009/09/26/what-i-did-my-summer-holiday <- finally got it done - let me know when you are editing it  as i asked richmoore too22:46
ScottKNightrose: Nice.  I assume this is the one you said to wait for.22:55
NightroseScottK: heh nope - that's for the dot22:55
ScottKOh.22:55
Nightrosei didn't want you to wait for a specific post22:55
ScottKStill nice post.  OK22:55
Nightrosemore a general thing22:55
Nightrosethanks :)22:55
* Nightrose has to kick some asses though for not playing nice despite promising to...22:56
Nightrosehah! actually I don't22:59
* Nightrose goes and gives out cookies instead22:59
Nightrose\o/23:00

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