[03:27] <nixternal> grr, what happened to pykde4 api docs?
[03:32] <nixternal> derr
[03:33] <nixternal> fyi: api.kde.org has the updated api docs for pykde4 under 4.3. It is different, so don't get lost, under the 'Table of Contents' there is a link for 'Class Reference' right before the FAQ
[04:29] <dtchen> nixternal: i heard a rumour that you're here in columbus, oh
[04:29] <nixternal> really?
[04:30] <nixternal> you know a lot of people were sms'ing me, calling me, direct messages via twitter and identi.ca, as well as messaging me on IRC asking where I was at
[04:33] <dtchen> oh?
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, I am not in Columbus, I am where all of the cool people are, Chicago!
[04:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Snow yet?
[04:39] <nixternal> I wish
[04:40] <nixternal> soon though, I can feel it in the air
[04:40] <nixternal> finally getting into the 30s at night
[04:41] <ScottK> Damn KDE has a lot of packages.
[04:41] <dtchen> you got that right
[04:41]  * ScottK is doing KDE 4.2.4 PPA -> Jaunty Backports like I said in his mail today.
[04:42] <ScottK> So I get to upload all of them ....
[04:42] <nixternal> oh boy that sounds like a lot of fun
[04:43] <ScottK> That'd be one word for it.
[04:43] <ScottK> Not the one I'd pick though.
[09:16] <eviljussi01> grumble. karmic didnt start x after the last update...
[09:16] <eviljussi01> who broke it...?
[09:21] <kjeldahl> If you're on x64, it may be kdebase-workspace related. If so, updating and upgrading should fix it.
[12:32] <cbr> hello, i updated to latest kdm in karmic
[12:32] <cbr> but kdm wont start now
[12:34] <kjeldahl> cbr: amd64 arch? There was a problem which has already been fixed. You may want to try update and upgrade again if you haven't.
[12:34] <cbr> i38
[12:34] <cbr> 6
[12:34] <kjeldahl> Oh, no idea then. Sorry.
[12:35] <kjeldahl> You sure it is kdm? Does "startx" work?
[12:38] <cbr> kdm main process terminated with status 1
[12:38] <cbr> and then it respawns it liek 10 times in 1 second
[12:38] <cbr> and then says "kdm respawning too fast, stopped"
[12:39] <kjeldahl> Ok, I have no idea. Sorry.
[12:39] <cbr> startx starts openbox
[12:40] <kjeldahl> Then it definitively sounds like a kdm problem yes.
[12:40] <tsimpson> it could be Bug 437067
[12:42] <cbr> uhm..
[12:44] <cbr> yup
[12:44] <cbr> that fixes stuff
[14:18]  * ScottK suspects nixternal's upstartification of KDM.
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I did upload almost all of KDE 4.2.4 to jaunty-backports.  I'm just waiting for the last of it to depwait, I'll upload kde4libs, and we'll be off and running.
[15:18] <ScottK> ryanakca: Would you be able to put an announcement on the web site later today that KDE 4.2.4 for Jaunty has moved from PPA to jaunty-backports (not yet though)
[16:33] <davidef1986> hi
[16:33] <davidef1986> i've just updated karmic 9.10 from the repo...
[16:34] <davidef1986> as the result X no longer start
[16:34] <ScottK> You aren't the first to report this issue, but there is no resolution at the moment.
[16:34]  * ScottK wonders if Riddell noticed...
[16:34] <davidef1986> the init.d script say that i should use start kdm to start it but it doesn't work
[16:35] <davidef1986> no way ? even manually ?
[16:35] <davidef1986> atm i started kde using startx
[16:35] <davidef1986> but i've got some issue with it
[16:35] <ScottK> Not that I know of, but I haven't had a chance to look into it in detail.
[16:35] <davidef1986> ok
[16:36] <davidef1986> is there a change that a later update will fix or it's better to reinstall it ?
[16:36] <ScottK> It is almost certain a later update will fix it.
[16:37] <davidef1986> ok so i can wait
[16:37] <davidef1986> thank you
[16:40] <Zorix> any work around for the kdm problem in karmic?
[16:41] <yuriy> ScottK: maybe this is Riddell & nixternal's upstart script?
[16:41]  * yuriy notes not to update today
[16:41] <ScottK> yuriy: I'm reasonably certain it is, but I've no idea how to fix it.
[16:41] <kjeldahl> If it's the bug mentioned earlier, symlinking /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm should work until the fix gets propagated.
[16:42] <ScottK> Zorix: Not that we know of.  Maybe download the old KDM from launchpad and reinstall it.
[16:42] <ScottK> OK.
[16:42] <ScottK> Zorix and davidef1986 ^^ suggested workaround
[16:43] <davidef1986> see
[16:43] <davidef1986> l'll test on next reboot ;)
[16:44] <Riddell> KDM broken?
[16:44] <davidef1986> yes
[16:44] <Zorix> ScottK, ok good idea i will look for the previous kdm package, thanks
[16:44] <Riddell> fooey
[16:44] <kjeldahl> Launchpad bug 437067 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not start (upstart) - error in /etc/init/kdm.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437067
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept kde4libs in jaunty-backports.  LP is too broken to do it through the web UI
[16:51] <Riddell> ok
[16:51] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, kdm is broken :)  /me thinks it could be the 'exec kdm' part as that is noticibly different from my script
[16:52] <nixternal> fyi: you can just use 'sudo kdm' for the time being to get in
[16:52] <Riddell> uploading the fix on bug 437067
[16:52] <nixternal> or startx, or whatever other way you like to get in :)
[16:52] <nixternal> Riddell: I also noticed all the extra whitespace at the end of the lines in kdm.conf
[16:53] <nixternal> I just edited my kdm.conf to log back in
[16:54] <mfraz74> startx doesn't seem to allow the sound to work
[16:56] <Zorix> modification of kdm.conf to correct the path fixed it
[16:56] <Zorix> thanks guys
[16:57] <ScottK> Riddell and nixternal: I was thinking if we set up a separate LP project for our PPA builds, then people could file bugs related to PPA packages there.
[16:57] <nixternal> +1
[16:58] <nixternal> Zorix: what path needed fixing? I just woke up so it didn't stick out to me :)
[16:58] <Riddell> /usr/sbin -> /usr/bin in the first line
[16:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks (for kde4libs)
[16:59] <nixternal> I looked right past that
[17:02] <Zorix> yea thats it
[17:09] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get rid of the "HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=true" line as well?
[17:09] <nixternal> we don't need that
[17:11] <yuriy> ScottK: +1 on ppa project
[17:13] <yuriy> speaking of ppa bugs, nixternal do you know what needs to be removed for bug 415237?
[17:14] <nixternal> yuriy: yes, but it was decided that we would use apport and redirect all bugs to LP instead of KDE
[17:14] <nixternal> it is a khelpmenu.cpp hack in kdelibs
[17:14] <nixternal> kubuntu_51 is the patch iirc
[17:15] <yuriy> nixternal: but this is on Jaunty
[17:15] <nixternal> oh, then you can remove that kubuntu_51 lp integration patch
[17:16] <yuriy> nixternal: is none of that in the regular jaunty packages?
[17:16] <nixternal> though I don't know if you want to remove all of it, because it also contains the stuff for the translation menu item under help
[17:17] <nixternal> if you have a link to the .dsc file, I can fix it and upload it if you would like
[17:17] <yuriy> also i'd looked at that patch and it looks to me like it just removes the menu item
[17:17] <yuriy> nvm there is the code
[17:17] <nixternal> hrmm, i wonder if that patch is different than what is in karmic then
[17:17] <nixternal> ok, groovy
[17:18] <nixternal> ya, I commented out the lines I replaced, so it is an easy fix
[17:19] <yuriy> is this in bzr?
[17:19] <yuriy> so many tools to (re)learn
[17:19] <nixternal> for karmic it is
[17:19] <nixternal> hehe
[17:19] <nixternal> ya, I need to learn git now it seems
[17:19] <nixternal> the world is switching to git these days
[17:21] <ScottK> OK, registered a project: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[17:21] <ScottK> Gotta run.  I'll work on getting it set up more later.
[17:26] <Riddell> nixternal: no although I don't think it does anything
[17:26] <Riddell> I don't think much of that script does anything
[17:26] <nixternal> it doesn't :) so it can go
[17:26] <nixternal> Riddell: if it doesn't do much of anything, then the old /etc/init.d/kdm didn't do much of anything
[17:27] <yuriy> if it doesn't do much of anything, it should be cut down for unnoticeably faster startup :)
[17:28] <nixternal> so it can be 'exec kdm' and that's it probably, with of course making sure that kdm is the default dm
[17:29] <Riddell> debian has all this @@@ToBeReplaced stuff which we don't, and I can't remember why we don't, if it's deliberate or accidental
[17:30] <nixternal> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/278852/
[17:31]  * nixternal notes that pastebinit is awesome!
[17:36] <nixternal> that works great :)
[17:51] <yuriy> building kde4libs expecting it to fail, what fun
[17:51] <yuriy> well that didn't get very far
[17:52] <yuriy> how do i add repositories to pbuilder?
[17:56] <yuriy> oh figured it out
[18:04] <yuriy> ok no, this isn't quite working
[18:04] <yuriy> how do i add both the ppa and -updates?
[18:04] <yuriy> for pbuilder
[18:13] <Riddell> yuriy: sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login, edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; control-d is what I do
[18:13] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd like to find out why we don't have the @@@ToBeRepaced stuff from Debian in our kdmrc first
[18:13] <nixternal> I thought we did, at least in the past we did
[18:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[18:21] <yuriy> why does vim require libsqlite o_O
[18:30] <yuriy> thanks Riddell looks like it's working
[19:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: hi
[19:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: my parents wanted to know how I'm going to stay there, do I need to bring my father or mother along?
[19:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: sponsored guests (and of course there's no guarantee you'll get sponsorship that's still being worked on) get a bed in a hotel
[19:08] <Riddell> I don't know if canonical has a policy on minors, it's up to you who you bring along as far as I care, how old are you?
[19:08] <Quintasan> 16
[19:09] <ScottK> ryanakca brought his Dad to UDS Barcelona.
[19:09] <Riddell> which in Scotland is the age of legal emancipation so you can jolly well do what you like, the culture and law may be different in the US I don't know
[19:09] <ScottK> The culture is definitely different (18).
[19:09]  * ScottK pleads ignorance of the law.
[19:11] <Quintasan> well, I will talk to my father first, and to my brother then
[19:11] <Riddell> the other person would have to pay travel, food and accomodation themselves
[19:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: you should sign up at summit.ubuntu.com if you havn't already
[19:13] <Quintasan> I should fill out the sponsorship request form?
[19:13] <Riddell> yes
[19:15] <Quintasan> The biggest problem now will be getting visa, my sis went to USA few years ago and she told me it take even three month to get a visa :/
[19:15] <Quintasan> may take*
[19:18] <nixternal> people just do not listen
[19:19] <Quintasan> ?
[20:17] <ScottK> nixternal: I made https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa and put the Ninjas in charge of it.
[22:30] <Riddell> ScottK: topic change means you recon KDM got fixed?
[22:31] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm assuming.
[22:31] <ScottK> I waited for your fix to build and get published.
[22:31] <Riddell> anyone out there installed it to check?
[22:31] <ScottK> Not that I've heard.
[22:32] <Riddell> saturday night, they're all out partying, geeks weren't like this in my day
[22:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: missing you in the other channel for dot review ;-)
[22:46] <Nightrose> http://dot.kde.org/2009/09/26/what-i-did-my-summer-holiday <- finally got it done - let me know when you are editing it  as i asked richmoore too
[22:55] <ScottK> Nightrose: Nice.  I assume this is the one you said to wait for.
[22:55] <Nightrose> ScottK: heh nope - that's for the dot
[22:55] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:55] <Nightrose> i didn't want you to wait for a specific post
[22:55] <ScottK> Still nice post.  OK
[22:55] <Nightrose> more a general thing
[22:55] <Nightrose> thanks :)
[22:56]  * Nightrose has to kick some asses though for not playing nice despite promising to...
[22:59] <Nightrose> hah! actually I don't
[22:59]  * Nightrose goes and gives out cookies instead
[23:00] <Nightrose> \o/