[00:14] <maxb> So, what is this yellow thing?
[00:14] <maxb> It's not a koala :-)
[00:15] <Ian_> A dune?
[00:16] <Eevee> looked like creased paper at a glance to me
[01:28] <odinsbane> So the artwork is finished?  Maybe there are some screen shots lying around?
[01:31] <odinsbane> Looks alot like jaunty
[01:33] <NoelJB> Is everyone seeing a request for authentication related to mission control every time they log in?
[01:34] <NoelJB> that's going to get real tedious, real fast.
[01:38] <Eevee> http://pastebin.com/d1f85eb57
[01:38] <Eevee> still getting this four times every boot, after a ~30s delay each time
[01:39] <arand> odinsbane: new icons, more brown, new wallpapers, and the new gdm/xsplash from before
[01:46] <Dr_Willis> i saw a new 'toad' wallpaper  :)
[01:47] <donaldo> hello help me please, I have the black screen after installing nvidia drivers karmic
[01:49] <arand> I'm most excited about the new icons, they give a very nature-ish feel...
[01:49] <kernowsoul> hi all, im trying to install ubuntu 9.10 moblin remix on a member:netbook from a usb stick but I can't get it to load, gives me the error "can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow" any ideas?
[01:50] <arand> plus this iconset has the plain-text-preview for file icons, something which has kept me pretty much stuck to human/tangerine so far...
[01:50] <donaldo> no idea
[01:51] <NoelJB> donaldo, not much info to go on ... which GPU. which driver, do you have access to the file system to check Xorg.0.log, etc.?
[01:53] <donaldo> 	
[01:53] <donaldo> truth, install the driver, then reboot and the graphics do not start. My turn again to restore the xorg, with a live cd
[01:54] <donaldo> 	
[01:54] <donaldo> excuse my English
[01:55] <donaldo> NoelJB: you speak spanish?
[01:56] <NoelJB> donaldo, no hablo espanol in muchos anos.  certainly not well enough for a technical discussion.
[01:56] <NoelJB> s/in/en/
[01:57] <ripps> okay, new wallpaper... looks even more out of place with xsplash
[01:59] <donaldo> NoelJB: 	
[01:59] <donaldo> I can help with the problem of the video?. will I have to uninstall something, or otherwise. but I build all the packages and kernel header installed.
[02:01] <ChogyDan> anyone know what exactly you are getting from apt-get source when it gives you a notice that the package is really in bazaar.launchpad?  Am I getting the source or what?
[02:02] <NoelJB> donaldo, nvidia has been just working for me.  without having some additional information from you, I doubt that I can help.
[02:04] <donaldo> NoelJB: ok, nvidia 190.3 driver, kernel 2.6.31-11-generic,
[02:05] <donaldo> NoelJB: 	 	
[02:05] <donaldo> the truth is very rare, never had a problem with this since I upgraded to karmic acceleration working again graphically.
[02:06] <NoelJB> I'm using 185.18.36 without a problem.
[02:08] <donaldo> NoelJB: that also install it and the same problem. Tell me what command I run to see if something is missing
[02:08] <skath> I can't get Karmic to boot into text-only mode. I installed from the Alpha 6 ISO with "Log in automatically" option for gdm, and it freezes on the splash screen every boot
[02:09] <skath> It won't respond to ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-delete, the only way I have found to get a response it to power-cycle it
[02:09] <skath> And when I hold shift in the grub menu and pick "recovery mode" it brings up the familiar recovery mode menu for just a second, then blows it away with the GDM spalsh and freezes
[02:10] <NoelJB> donaldo, can you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any errors mentioned?
[02:17] <jamieleshaw> Hello, if Karmic Koala has Ubuntu One by default then does that mean it contains propietry software?
[02:18] <donaldo> NoelJB:  	
[02:18] <donaldo> I look at the truth and no errors, but is due to reconfigure xorg.conf
[02:19] <skath> jamieleshaw: the Ubuntu One client software uses the GPLv3 license
[02:19] <jamieleshaw> So it's source is avaible?
[02:20] <skath> jamieleshaw: I think so: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client
[02:21] <jamieleshaw> Cause if they mixed propietry with open source they wouldn't beable to release it ubuntu GNU
[02:24] <alankila> jamieleshaw: I don't think that's quite how it goes. They can put proprietary stuff on the same media as non-proprietary.
[02:24] <jamieleshaw> i'm not sure ;)
[02:26] <musikgoat> jamieleshaw: it depends on the licensing of the proprietary
[02:29] <musikgoat> hmm, did empathy get dropped for pidgin?
[02:30] <NoelJB> musikgoat, as the default?  yes.
[02:31] <NoelJB> empathy provides a programming framework, which the GNOME folks want to leverage.
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> it seems a little rough at this time - :)
[02:32] <musikgoat> interesting
[02:32] <NoelJB> musikgoat, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:32] <musikgoat> Dr_Willis: i agree
[02:33] <musikgoat> thanks for the info NoelJB
[02:52] <picklesworth> Hey everybody! Just out of curiousity, is it currently expected that the GNOME power applet isn't giving me a battery life estimate?
[02:52] <picklesworth> (It never has for my netbook since installing Karmic)
[02:59] <picklesworth> oh, and is there a bug report / explanation for the way the session indicator applet now shows your login name instead of your real name?
[03:39] <luckyone> howdy, I just upgraded my desktop, and now my wireless card acts like it isn't there
[03:39] <luckyone> anyone have ideas??
[03:45] <bullgard4> luckyone: Analyze your dmesg.
[03:46] <luckyone> bullgard4: I think it is the 09/24 issue
[03:47] <luckyone> but, after I linked to the correct libnm-glib-vpn, nm-applet still didn't recognize my wireless card...
[03:49] <luckyone> hmm, still can't see wireless even though nm-applet starts
[03:51] <webbb82> i need some help in order to fix my empathy status problem i need to update from telepathy-butterfly-0.5.0. to 0.5.1 anyone have any clue how i can do this
[03:51] <bullgard4> luckyone: Please learn to describe a complex situation.
[03:52] <luckyone> bullgard4: trying to - thanks for your patientce
[03:52] <luckyone> looking at dmesg now
[03:52] <luckyone> not sure what I am looking for
[03:53] <luckyone> ifconfig does not list ath0 like it should
[03:53] <bullgard4> It was no good idea to install Karmic if you do not know the dmesg command.
[03:54] <luckyone> bullgard4: no time to learn like the present ;)
[03:54] <luckyone> and this gives me lots of motivation!
[03:57] <DanaG> hmm, nice new humanlogin theme... now it just needs a wallpaper that suits it.
[03:57] <DanaG> And it needs the gnome panel to fit in.
[03:59] <sunshinepants> and a clippy
[04:02] <luckyone> bullgard4: in dmesg, I see it loading the Atheros L2 Ethernet Driver version 2.2.3, then it says that no devices are found
[04:04] <bullgard4> luckyone: This probably means that you should state your problem in a forum where knowledgeable people have more time to analyze your problem.
[04:05] <luckyone> bullgard4: ok - will definitely do that - lshw sees the device too, just *-network UNCLAIMED
[04:06] <DanaG> mmm, my ping is 1480ms.
[04:06] <bullgard4> Oh!
[04:08] <webbb82> so they must be doing alot of bug fixes and updates cause i the past two days i have done apt-get upgrade and its always find 143 updates each time
[04:09] <Frijolie> just installed Karmic and I would like to know how they got the emblems on the lower right-hand corner of the default folders
[04:09] <Frijolie> every emblem I do goes to the top right-hand side
[04:11] <stovicek> Frijolie: they're a part of the icon, not really an emblem. those icons are specific for those folders.
[04:12] <Frijolie> so they're an image?
[04:12] <Frijolie> not an "emblem"?
[04:12] <stovicek> Frijolie: for the default ones, yes.
[04:12] <Frijolie> then how do you remove the image from those folders? I want them to match the ones that I've created
[04:12] <Frijolie> sorry, I've got OCD
[04:15] <stovicek> right-click on the folders and choose properties. click on the icon button and browse to /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/places/folder.svg ...this assuming you're using the default Human theme. That should give you a plain, non-emblemed icon.
[04:18] <Frijolie> thanks stovicek
[04:18] <DanaG> weird... nautilus isn't showing my emblems.
[04:19] <DanaG> In fact, it's even UNCHECKING my emblem selection.
[04:19] <Amaranth> nautilus seems kind of broken right now
[04:19] <Amaranth> It's also not doing wallpaper transitions correctly anymore
[04:20] <Amaranth> it's supposed to be doing a blend but it's just jumping to the next one
[04:20] <DanaG> It's also not doing time-based wallpaper changes properly.
[04:21] <test34> my screensaver stopped working
[04:22] <oorah> it looks like canonical has not made a custom wallpaper this time, just put up a bunch of others instead
[04:22] <oorah> which is better i admit, was lookin forward to see what the could come up with anyhow
[04:25] <webbb82> did they just realese some new themes
[04:26] <DanaG> Could not load image 'warty-final-ubuntu.png'
[04:26] <DanaG> Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file
[04:26] <wastrel> warty
[04:41] <luckyone> bullgard4: I got it working, thanks for the encouragement!
[04:41] <luckyone> bullgard4: the utter magic of loading the driver!
[04:44] <bullgard4> luckyone: Glad you made it. Enjoy Ubuntu!
[04:46] <luckyone> bullgard4: Thanks! I have been using it for 5 years now... one of the drawbacks of it being so easy to use is that I haven't had to learn about the more technical aspects of linux
[04:46] <luckyone> I have been trying to learn more by taking alphas, etc
[04:47] <luckyone> sorry if I bugged you earlier...
[04:47] <killertcell> I was just recruited by a helper t cell
[04:47] <musikgoat> luckyone: you can also learn more by breaking more :P
[04:47] <killertcell> The Helper t cell says something about linux being cancer that attacthes to everything according to some guy named steve ballmer
[04:47] <killertcell> I FOUND OUT LINUX IS CANCER AND NOW I MUST PURGE ALL THE CANCER CELLS
[04:47] <musikgoat> 'troll
[04:47] <killertcell> I WILL DO THIS BY INJECTNG POSION INTO THE LINUX INFECTED CANCER CELL
[04:47] <musikgoat> !troll
[04:49] <killertcell> i protect animals from viruss and cancer cells
[04:49] <killertcell> Linux is the most nasty kinds of cancers
[04:50] <killertcell> I never knew linux was cancer until MR.Ballmer told me
[04:51] <killertcell> !ops
[04:51] <killertcell> I FOUND OUT LINUX IS CANCER AND NOW I MUST PURGE ALL THE CANCER CELLS
[04:51] <killertcell> The Helper t cell says something about linux being cancer that attacthes to everything according to some guy named steve ballmer
[05:01] <oldude67> is there anyway to get the mouse to quit flipping threw the desktops when you hit the scroll wheel?
[05:03] <milos_> oldude67: yeah, you need to disable that plugin, not sure what is the name
[05:04] <Amaranth> vpswitch
[05:04] <Amaranth> disabled by default in karmic
[05:04] <kklimonda> why is pidgin installed?
[05:04] <Amaranth> kklimonda: broken packaging
[05:04] <kklimonda> being installed*
[05:05] <Amaranth> kklimonda: seb128 meant to add a Recommends: pidgin-libnotify to pidgin but added it to libpurple0
[05:05] <kklimonda> i see
[05:05] <Amaranth> kklimonda: So libpurple0 pulls in pidgin-libnotify which pulls in pidgin
[05:05] <kklimonda> thanks
[05:05] <kklimonda> yeah
[05:13] <picklesworth> so, uh, does anyone on a laptop get a battery life estimate?
[05:13] <milos_> picklesworth: yeah
[05:14] <picklesworth> Curses! Why does HP hate freedom? :P
[05:14] <oorah> picklesworth, hp hates freedom?
[05:15] <picklesworth> Heheh, gnome-power-manager in Karmic isn't giving a battery life estimate for my netbook
[05:15] <DanaG> I do get battery life reports from acpi.
[05:16] <DanaG> Business laptop.
[05:16] <picklesworth> it tells me the percentage happily (better than before...), but just no estimate for time that it will work
[05:19] <oorah> i wonder if there is gonna be an official wallpaper
[05:20] <dtchen> rumour has it that the official wallpaper is already in
[05:20] <oorah> i also wonder why the default theme is a darker brown. is canonical ever gonna move away from brown? lol
[05:20] <picklesworth> it is!
[05:20] <oorah> whats the official?
[05:20] <picklesworth> it's a pretty orange picture with a lot of texture going on :)
[05:21] <oorah> picklesworth, where is it?
[05:21] <dtchen> it's in the latest ubuntu-wallpapers package currently in Karmic
[05:22] <picklesworth> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=129705&d=1253870825
[05:22] <oorah> dtchen, are you sure thats the official one?
[05:22] <dtchen> oorah: no, i'm not, hence why i typed "rumour".
[05:22] <dtchen> oorah: however, i did speak with jcastro earlier, and he mentioned that it was official
[05:22] <oorah> i like the space one that changes every few minutes best so far
[05:23] <oorah> i'm surprised they actually added some bright colorful pictures for it lol
[05:23] <oorah> its usually dark and stale
[05:23] <picklesworth> Well, it replaced warty-final-ubuntu (how come Fedora can change the filename of their default wallpaper?...), so we can only assume it's the official default :)
[05:24] <oorah> i wonder who's choice is brown? i like it ok but i think its time for new default ideas
[05:26] <picklesworth> brown was the original palette. As I said before, until they changed to the horrendous orange that people for some reason say is brown, it grows on you. I'm pretty happy with it :)
[05:28] <oorah> picklesworth, i'm happy with it too, i just wanted to see something original with the new releases
[05:30] <oorah> i think it should be called kinky kangaroo. koala is a tree hugger lol
[05:38] <iddo> i did apt-get upgrade and now i get black screen on boot, even in recovery mode
[05:38] <iddo> i only see cursor flashing after some boot msgs
[05:39] <iddo> only thing i seem to be able to do is ctrl+alt+del
[05:39] <Amaranth> iddo: try ctrl-alt-f7
[05:40] <iddo> i tried
[05:40] <Amaranth> iddo: hmm, try booting with nomodeset?
[05:40] <iddo> u mean to add bootcode in grub ?
[05:41] <Amaranth> yeah, edit the grub 'linux' line to have nomodeset on the end
[05:41] <Amaranth> iddo: you can do that from the grub menu
[05:41] <Amaranth> iddo: Is this intel graphics?
[05:41] <iddo> yes
[05:41] <iddo> intel 915
[05:41] <Cynthia> Is it just me, or do all GTK+ "default" buttons (i.e. those that get activated with Enter) appear held down permanently in the new Human theme?
[05:42] <Cynthia> (Also related: is it just me, or did window decorations stay orange instead of becoming brown?)
[05:42] <Amaranth> iddo: Alright, nomodeset may help then
[05:42] <iddo> ok i'll try nomodeset and come back after i see how it goes (i have to boot into winxp, ubuntu usable until i fix this somehow....)
[05:43] <iddo> ok one moment
[05:47] <iddo> well i'm back..
[05:47] <iddo> nomodeset bootcode leaves the boot msgs on screen
[05:47] <iddo> instead of completely black screen before
[05:48] <iddo> but other than that, it's still stuck, it seems
[05:48] <Zorix> i just updated kubuntu karmic from alpha6 fresh install with dist-upgrade and now X will not start, it boots and looks like its ubuntu server now
[05:48] <Zorix> i can startx manually but thats just dumb
[05:48] <iddo> last msgs are just some audit operations about apps
[05:49] <iddo> i have access to ubuntu partition, to edit files if that might help?
[05:49] <iddo> any ideas?
[05:50] <iddo> if i had access to recovery mode i could try apt-get upgrade again, but the boot process seems stuck
[05:50] <Zorix> seems like you might have same issue as me
[05:51] <iddo> not exactly it seems:( mine is completely stuck
[05:51] <iddo> no access to anything except ctrl+alt+del to reboot
[05:52] <iddo> is there any other bootcode i could try to skip the problematic boot parts or something?
[05:52] <Zorix> ubuntu or kubuntu
[05:52] <iddo> ubuntu
[05:53] <Zorix> probably because of the new x boot splash it uses is broke
[05:53] <madberry> Zorix: your problem sounds like bug 435525
[05:53] <iddo> but recovery mode doesnt even loads x
[05:54] <Zorix> i have ati graphics, madberry and i get console at boot, not black screen.. i can manually get X by doing startx
[05:54] <Zorix> i would say just try reinstall monday afternoon or so
[05:54] <Zorix> probably what i will have to do
[05:54] <madberry> Zorix: try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/435525/comments/8 I've got intel graphics and this fixed it
[05:56] <iddo> whats special about monday afternoon?
[05:58] <musikgoat> iddo: beta is released i presume
[05:58] <musikgoat> no
[05:59] <Zorix> madberry,  thanks for the suggestion, unfortunately it had no effect :(
[05:59] <Zorix> they dont work on ubuntu on weekends
[05:59] <madberry> Zorix: Was worth a try.
[05:59] <Zorix> thanks anyways, i thought it would work
[06:13] <TuTUXG> im trying to configure my synaptic touchpad with two finger actions, without the xorg.conf, which file should i put the configurations in?
[06:20] <TuTUXG> nvm, there's a gui for that
[06:20] <TuTUXG> ...
[06:53] <larsemil> anyone got news on how the inteldriver behaves under karmic? the bug is gone?
[06:58] <Amaranth> larsemil: what bug?
[07:00] <larsemil> Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information.
[07:13] <milos_> Launchpad was slow but now it feels even slower. Also new design looks great.
[07:20] <Tohuw> Is there a fix for the missing (deprecated) libstdc++5 in 9.10 alpha 6? I have binaries dependent on this. (x86_64 arch)
[07:20] <AnAnt> anyone noticed that pidgin is getting pulled in dist-upgrade, is that meant to be or a bug ?
[07:21] <Tohuw> Meant to be. Pidgin is being replaced by Empathy
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> i dident know if he ment 'pulled' as in 'installed' or 'pulled' as in 'removed' :)
[07:22] <Tohuw> Yeah "pulled" is a bit vague :)
[07:22] <Tohuw> Is there a fix for the missing (deprecated) libstdc++5 in 9.10 alpha 6? I have binaries dependent on this. (x86_64 arch)
[07:23] <AnAnt> why's that ?
[07:24] <AnAnt> eerr, I meant installed btw
[07:24] <AnAnt> not removed
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> perhaps it got decided to keep both?
[07:24] <larsemil> Tohuw: is there a newer libstdc++ that you can create a symbolic link from?
[07:25] <Tohuw> larsemil: I tried "ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5" but this does not fix the issue for binaries needing so.5
[07:28] <Tohuw> Hmm, that was odd. Anyone running dual head using nvidia-glx and want to confirm a bug before I report it?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Tohuw:  i can try.
[07:30] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: backup your xorg.conf first. Then run "gksu nvidia-settings", disable second display, write to X conf, exit, run again, enable second display, apply change. Does it automatically set your new display to be primary? And, does it prevent you from checking your first display as primary until you change the resolution of it?
[07:31] <Tohuw> oops, forgot that you should restart x after disabling display and writing to conf
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> yea i was just tinkijng that  would need a restart of X. heh.
[07:32] <Tohuw> The bug, simply put, is that you cannot reset your first display as primary monitor without changing the resolution away from auto. Of course, this bug gets to go upstream to nvidia, to sit on the mountain of unfulfilled bug reports inherent with half-assed hardware support. Good times
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> well right now both my monitors are set to 'auto' for the display res.
[07:33] <Tohuw> ugh it's late. If anyone is feeling like a good citizen and can replicate this issue or the libstdc++6/5 issue and report it, well aren't you just swell. I'm going to bed before I turn back into a pumpkin.
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> (not restarting X) but just disabling, reenabling the monitor does not make it primary, and i dont have to set AUTO
[07:34] <AnAnt> I don't understand what package recommended pidgin
[07:35] <AnAnt> ah
[07:35] <Tohuw> Dr_Willis: ok, I'll try to nail it down later. It's more of an annoyance than anything: my panels moved over to my secondary display, etc. AnAnt: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/15/pidgin-vs-empathy-feature-comparison/
[07:36] <Tohuw> Night all. Don't forget to backup before every dist-upgrade! <3
[07:36] <AnAnt> the reason is that libpurple0 recommends pidgin-libnotify, which in turn depends on pidgin
[07:37] <AnAnt> <3 ?
[07:37] <AnAnt> Tohuw: that article has some mistakes
[07:37] <Tohuw> Yeah, that's a stupid recommendation. libpurple0 has no reason to recommend anything married to pidgin. <3 is a heart, because I love you7 all so very much.
[07:38] <Tohuw> AnAnt: it's outdated, like everything on the internet
[07:38] <Tohuw> Good night, for real this time.
[07:38] <AnAnt> ah, ok
[07:40] <pwnguin> oddly, i have a libstdc++ in my karmic laptop
[07:42]  * Dr_Willis updates the internet
[07:42] <AnAnt> ?
[07:43] <pwnguin> wait, empathy's video chat works?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> is all i got here.
[07:43] <pwnguin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     18 2008-06-06 03:04 libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[07:43] <AnAnt> pwnguin: yeah, never tried it though
[07:43] <pwnguin> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 737192 2008-05-10 01:18 libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[07:44] <pwnguin> AnAnt: yea, because linux nerds are used to webcams never working =/
[07:44] <AnAnt> finally they fixed indicator-session
[07:44] <AnAnt> pwnguin: oh, I forgot, I don't have a webcam in this new laptop !
[07:47] <pwnguin> well, if it works and pidgin doesn't i'm all for the transition.
[07:49] <AnAnt> it's really a pity that empathy doesn't want to support OTR
[07:51] <pwnguin> do you have OTR conversations regularly?
[07:51] <AnAnt> not really
[07:51] <AnAnt> but some do
[07:52] <pwnguin> with who?
[07:52] <AnAnt> ?
[07:52] <pwnguin> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/software.php
[07:54] <pwnguin> i think in total that covers about a fraction of a percent of the IM market
[07:56] <pwnguin> not to mention, it's impossible to extend to video chat: http://resiak.livejournal.com/60614.html
[08:37] <draconis> does anyone actually use ia32-apt-get?
[08:38] <edgy> Hi, with the latest updates kdm doesn't launch the graphical interface. i have to switch to gdm to log in
[08:39] <edgy> any one noticed this?
[08:39] <draconis> no, are there any log messages, or anything?
[08:40] <draconis> what happens if you just try starting "kdm" without a display manager
[08:41] <edgy> draconis: no errors it just drop to console login prompt.
[08:41] <draconis> no, I mean, what happens if you try to RUN kdm
[08:41] <edgy> draconis: you mean I do e.g ctrl+alt+f2 and then try kdm from there?
[08:42] <draconis> yes
[08:42] <draconis> it won't work, I'm sure of that, but there's a chance it might give you more information
[08:42] <edgy> draconis: I got nothing at all
[08:42] <draconis> such as "missing kdm executable" or "missing library"
[08:43] <draconis> nothing at all? you mean it just exits silently?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> i had issues where with kdm/gdm both installed that they both would think they were not set to the 'default' xdm manager
[08:45] <edgy> draconis: yes I mean exit silently
[08:45] <edgy> Dr_Willis: so I need to remove gdm and retry?
[08:49] <Adapter> bad day for a update?
[08:50] <Adapter> hi @all
[08:50] <edgy> Adapter: hi, for me it's a bad day ;)
[08:50] <Adapter> me to
[08:50] <Adapter> brocken update?
[08:51] <Adapter> broken update
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  i ended up removing both and reinstgalling gdm i think
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> !release
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[08:51] <Nakkel> Oh, nice, borked my system too :D
[08:52] <Adapter> hehe
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> This - not seeing plugged in flash drives/auto mounting - is getting annoying
[08:52] <mjbrooks> define borked
[08:52] <Adapter> Dr_Willis: it was kdm ?
[08:52] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: KDM wont start. :)
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Adapter:  not sure what was causing the issue. I removed kde totallyt now.
[08:53] <Adapter> hmm and it runs so good
[08:53] <Adapter> im waiting for update
[08:53] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, interesting.... I just did an update earlier and didn't get the kdm login either... but I can startx
[08:53] <Nakkel> Only error is in syslog "kdm main process (somepid) terminated with status 1"
[08:54] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, is that in messages?
[08:54] <draconis> I tried doing an install from UNetbootin, and was instantly surprised to see that the bootloader was corrupt
[08:54] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: Nope
[08:55] <draconis> the UNetbootin one, that is... it had garbled text and when I hit enter, I got a vague "Password required" message
[08:55] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, which log?
[08:55] <edgy> ok nice that others face the same problem, now I can go to sleep and rest assured things are in safe hands ;)
[08:55] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: /var/log/syslog
[08:55] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, ah... found it
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  the unetbootin menus were messeed up at boot time?
[08:55] <draconis> do I really have to spend 10 hours downloading the iso?
[08:55] <draconis> Dr_Willis: yes
[08:56] <draconis> and I don't think UNetbootin hangs onto the iso files it downloads... which means I just wasted a ton of bandwidth and time
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  with unetbootin ive heard you CAN rename the  isolinux.cfg to be 'syslinux.cfg' and perhaps one other file.. to makt it use the normal ubuntu 'syslinux menu'
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  they may be in /tmp/ still
[08:56] <ali1234> draconis: PXE netboot install?
[08:56] <draconis> oh, yay, I don't have tmpfs in /tmp
[08:57] <draconis> so it's still there
[08:57] <draconis> ali1234: no, USB
[08:57] <ali1234> USB didn't work for me :(
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive tweaked and toyed with  stuff so much. :)
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive yet to try to install ubuntu to a external usb hard drive.
[08:58] <ali1234> see bug 436418 - was it similar to yours?
[08:58] <draconis> Unetbootin, I know, works ONLY with Ubuntu despite what the authors say
[08:58] <Nakkel> Oh, hum hum. Souldnt "startx" start X just like its launched from KDM?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  ive had better luck with the ubuntu usb-creator tool - then with unetbootin   for ubuntu-> flash
[08:58] <draconis> thanks, I'll try switching the menu, but don't I have to reflash or something?
[08:58] <ali1234> i have used unetbootin for all kinds of things and it works fine - just not with karmic
[08:58] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, if you log on in the terminal instead of in KDM and run startx you can get into X
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> Nakkel:  it may read teh .xinitrc so that may be different.
[08:59] <draconis> reinstall grub or syslinux or whatever, or the old stuff is still in the mbr?
[08:59] <Nakkel> I have a dualscreen setup and its all messed up now.
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  the graphics part of the menu is bad? actually it should just timeout and default to the first boot item on the menus
[08:59] <Nakkel> Widgets and panel has moved around. Weird.
[08:59] <draconis> no, no, it's CORRUPT
[09:00] <draconis> it could be the actual syslinux, not necessarily the configs
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  may want to reput it back on flash.. and use the usb-creater tool. not unetbootin.
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> could try reinstalling syslinux i guess to the flash.
[09:00] <Adapter> Dr_Willis: how to install gdm and gnome
[09:00] <Adapter> i had kde
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is what i normally do.
[09:00] <draconis> Dr_Willis: that is available for another distro, right? although I can always rip open debs if I need to
[09:00] <Adapter> ahh ok
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> draconis:  what disrto are you on right now?
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen the ubuntu usb-creator tool on any other disrtos.
[09:01] <Adapter> bbrb
[09:01] <draconis> fedora
[09:01] <draconis> ubuntu-creator is such an unsearchable name, too
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> ive made them befor via a ubuntu live cd. :)
[09:02] <Nakkel> Oh, what. Some plasma changes done lately?
[09:02] <jorgen> hi all
[09:02] <draconis> i.e. no matter what I do, Google displays the last 5 years of info about Shuttleworth
[09:02] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, there were some plasma updates that I installed today as well so yes
[09:03] <jorgen> is it know that the last KDM update is well.. broken
[09:03] <Nakkel> I used to have two cashews on my dualscreens and now it looks like its handling the desktop as one big single window.
[09:03] <draconis> Dr_Willis: oh, usb-creator, thanks
[09:03] <ali1234> draconis: https://code.launchpad.net/usb-creator
[09:03] <draconis> ali1234: thanks
[09:04] <draconis> no ability to download it, but I can always rip open the debs.. it's not as bad as RPM, just an tgz wrapped in ar
[09:04] <ali1234> you can get the code from bzr
[09:04] <draconis> ah, thanks
[09:04] <jorgen> !bug kdm
[09:04] <jorgen> uh damn
[09:04] <ali1234> i'm getting a lot of "apport cannot report this bug" messages :(
[09:05] <jorgen> Sep 26 10:01:39 hideout init: kdm main process ended, respawning
[09:05] <jorgen> Sep 26 10:01:39 hideout init: kdm main process (1982) terminated with status 1
[09:05] <jorgen> Sep 26 10:01:39 hideout init: kdm respawning too fast, stopped
[09:05] <jorgen> someone familliar with this?!
[09:05] <draconis> well, there aren't really binaries
[09:06] <ali1234> looks like it's written in python anyway
[09:06] <Nakkel> Nice, so plasma can handle dualscreens better now. I finally can have 2560x1024 backgrounds without splitting them in two. \o/
[09:06] <draconis> ali1234: wow.. could usb-creator's error messages get any MORE vague?
[09:06] <Nakkel> But where did all my widgets go? :D
[09:07] <draconis> missing a binary that's it is really trying to run
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> Nakkel:  yea - you can have a different wallpaper per monitor.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> i accidently discovered that.
[09:09] <Nakkel> Only problem is that now new windows open right in the middle so they get split in two displays which isnt so hot.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> twinview normally takes care of that for me Nakkel
[09:09] <draconis> oh great, I need gksu.. and my repo's fried. that's why I'm switching back to ubuntu alpha.. it's loads more stable than Fedora
[09:10] <jorgen> draconis: i really find that hard to believe ;)
[09:10] <mjbrooks> Testing a fix for KDM not starting on boot
[09:12] <draconis> jorgen: oh, well, it depends on what software you use, but my keyboard won't even accept input after a system standby. only in fedora, though
[09:13] <jorgen> i just try to use KDE, it broke on me twice in 2 days :>
[09:13] <draconis> odd, usb-creator starts, and gives the vague message "starting up at <time>"
[09:13] <jorgen> mjbrooks: i have the same issue.. can i do something to help out ?!?!?
[09:13] <Nakkel> For some reason I have two workspaces now.
[09:14] <Nakkel> Cant find a way to delete the other one.
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> if using compiz you use the ccsm tool, general tab
[09:14] <mjbrooks> jorgen, foun the fix
[09:14] <mjbrooks> found
[09:14] <jorgen> mjbrooks: can you share it with me?
[09:15] <jorgen> i dont particularely like console mode :)
[09:15] <mjbrooks> jorgen,  1 sec...
[09:15] <jorgen> sure bro, i'll make some coffee :)
[09:17] <mjbrooks> jorgen, there is a mistake in /etc/init/kdm.conf
[09:18] <jorgen> hm ok
[09:18] <jorgen> where is it at?
[09:18] <jorgen> oh is this the new startup stuff?
[09:18] <jorgen> am not familliar with it.
[09:18] <mjbrooks> jorgen, it's tryyign to point to /usr/sbin/kdm on line 16
[09:19] <Nakkel> Aw nutters this isnt fun. Now I have 4 workspaces, multiplying like bunnies. :(
[09:19] <Nakkel> And cant delete them.
[09:19] <mjbrooks> /usr/sbin/kdm doesn't exist
[09:19] <jorgen> i see
[09:19] <mjbrooks> jorgen, change /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[09:19] <jorgen> should be usr/bin/kdm
[09:19] <jorgen> ok
[09:19] <mjbrooks> jorgen, fixed!
[09:19] <jorgen> and that should do it?
[09:19] <jorgen> great man, thanks a lot !!!
[09:19] <mjbrooks> jorgen, yup
[09:19] <jorgen> i'll test it
[09:20] <jorgen> BRB
[09:20] <mjbrooks> kk
[09:20] <mjbrooks> one of the devs was smokin crack ;)
[09:20] <jorgen> yepz, it works
[09:20] <jorgen> haha
[09:20] <baron86> Hello.. I have kubuntu 9.10 and i want to open grub2 but cannot locate it.. Can i have some help?
[09:20] <jorgen> well, we're all humans
[09:20] <jorgen> but I am a bit puzzled this stuff gets past testen?
[09:20] <jorgen> but i dont know shit about development internals around here
[09:21] <Adapter> Dr_Willis:  thanks is running
[09:21] <jorgen> mjbrooks: are you the package maintainer for this stuff ?
[09:22] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | baron86
[09:22] <eagles0513875> baron86: check out the wiki
[09:24] <mjbrooks> jorgen, no... I like my sanity
[09:24] <Adapter> !seen catweazle
[09:24] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: Used your fix for KDM, works nice.
[09:25] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, glad I could help
[09:25] <Adapter> what fix for kde
[09:25] <Nakkel> But … Now I have again two separate plasmas. :(
[09:25] <mjbrooks> Adapter, for the kdm not starting on boot
[09:25] <Adapter> yes
[09:26] <mjbrooks> Adapter, you have that issue?
[09:26] <Adapter> i take gdm now
[09:26] <jorgen> mjbrooks for president :)
[09:26] <Adapter> yeah
[09:26] <Nakkel> Whats the difference in launching KDE with "startx" and from under KDM?
[09:26] <jorgen> mjbrooks: so, you dont like smoking crack then? :P
[09:27] <Adapter> mjbrooks: no kdm start on boot after update tomorrow
[09:27] <mjbrooks> Adapter, on line 16 in /etc/init/kdm.conf change the part at the end where it says /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[09:27] <Adapter> ahh ok
[09:28] <Adapter> thanks mjbrooks
[09:28] <mjbrooks> I believe the error only just reared it's head because they move kdm over to upstart
[09:28] <mjbrooks> Adapter, no problem
[09:28] <jorgen> mjbrooks: had this bug allready been reported?
[09:28] <jorgen> wasnt karmic supposed to be in beta freeze or something?
[09:29] <mjbrooks> I just same across it before I was going to post the fix... :( someone beat me to it
[09:29] <jorgen> ohwell, important thing is it has been reported and will be fixed properly :>
[09:30] <jorgen> i find it a bit amazing that upstart is begint introduced this late in the development cycle
[09:30] <jorgen> begint=being
[09:30] <mjbrooks> jorgen, it was already introduced... they're just rolling more parts in
[09:31] <jorgen> well, ok.. for me that's pretty much te same.
[09:31] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:31] <jorgen> but i'll stop complaining, it's nog like i'm paying any euro's for this stuff :)
[09:31] <jorgen> more coffee might help...
[09:32] <mjbrooks> jorgen, thanks, I'll take cream and sugare
[09:32] <Adapter> hehe
[09:32] <jorgen> if you live in the NL i will come bring it :)
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. rember how we  were discussing the tweaking of the new GDM via running th egnome control panel stuff as the 'gdm' user over the last few days...
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> well just a heads up.. DONT mess with the screensaver settings. :)
[09:33] <jorgen> you saved me from another day of frustration :)
[09:33] <mjbrooks> jorgen, sigh
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> I som ehow have 2 screensavers now kicking one.. One from GDM one from my normal desktop
[09:33]  * mjbrooks <---wine country in CA, USA
[09:33] <jorgen> that's a bit well.. far :>
[09:33] <Professor_Chaos> I've got some errors with apt-get upgrade and/or update-manager, here is the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/278594/
[09:34] <Nakkel> This KDM issue didnt do well with my desktop settings.
[09:34] <Nakkel> Cant figure why it would even affect but it did.
[09:34] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, that may be a separate issue altogether
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> Professor_Chaos:   i would wonder if that server is not in the process of updateing its files. andhad a lot of bad files/downloads.
[09:35] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, I also got plasma updates at the same time
[09:35] <jorgen> yeah there were plasma updates
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> Professor_Chaos:  you may want to clean your cache and try re update/upgrading.
[09:35] <Professor_Chaos> Dr_WIllis: I tried the main server and my Canada server to no avail. I also did dpkg-reconfigure -a as root.
[09:35] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: Might be, but still cant figure how "startx" differs from launching from KDM.
[09:35] <Nakkel> Thats most likely what messed my plasma.
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> startx reads the users .Xdefault and .xinitrc (if either exist)  kdm - launches what session its set to launch (via .dmrc) i think
[09:36] <Nakkel> Hm
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> now if theres no .xinitrc or .Xdefault - im not sure what startx does :)
[09:36] <jorgen> mjbrooks: thanks again a lot.. i'm outta here. until the next problem, i'm sure :)
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> check the startx script i guess to see.
[09:37] <Nakkel> Anyhow, now I have 4 workspaces, 4 with 1280x1024 size and 2 with 2560x1024 sizes. :D
[09:37] <Professor_Chaos> awsome :P
[09:37] <Nakkel> And cant delete any of them.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen diffrent sized work spaces befor
[09:37] <Nakkel> Me neither :)
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> its a new feature!
[09:37] <Nakkel> http://nakkel.pp.fi/plasmamayhem.jpeg
[09:38] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, KDM is a graphical login manager
[09:39] <baron86> Hello.. I have Kubuntu 9.10 and when i updated some packages when i rebooted I had to log on via the terminal.. Is there anyway to boot in the graphical enviroment first?
[09:39] <mjbrooks> Nakkel, crazy
[09:39] <mjbrooks> baron86, yes
[09:39] <baron86> I tried to change /etc/default/grub to change the number but nothing changed
[09:39] <mjbrooks> baron86, on line 16 in /etc/init/kdm.conf change the part at the end where it says /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> if gdm is having issues.. thenn nothing in grub is going to affect that baron86
[09:40] <Nakkel> mjbrooks: My thoughts exactly :)
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> baron86:  see if 'sudo service gdm start' works.. or gives an error.
[09:40] <mjbrooks> Dr_Willis, gdm is for gnome
[09:40] <Professor_Chaos> Baron86: what  kind of graphics card are you using?
[09:40] <baron86> 6600 nvidia
[09:41] <Professor_Chaos> Baron86: are you using the open source "nv" driver or the properitary nvidia driver?
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> mjbrooks:  so use kdm then. :)
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> !info quingly
[09:41] <baron86> i installed it via the hardware sth in kubuntu
[09:41] <mjbrooks> Professor_Chaos, you can stop, this has been found
[09:41] <Professor_Chaos> oh ok.
[09:41] <mjbrooks> baron86, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/437067
[09:41] <robin0800> baron86: did you run update-grub afterwards
[09:42] <mjbrooks> baron86, on line 16 in /etc/init/kdm.conf change the part at the end where it says /usr/sbin/kdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> kdm got moved from sbin to bin?
[09:42] <Adapter> is that fixed i dont have sbin in my kdm.conf
[09:43] <Adapter> after installing gdm
[09:43] <baron86> do i have to do any update after that?
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> installing gdm wouldent affect the kdm.conf I imagine
[09:43] <mjbrooks> baron86, no just reboot and rejoice
[09:43] <Adapter> ok
[09:43] <baron86> i will be back
[09:45] <Adapter> but .28 gnome looks good :)
[09:45] <mjbrooks> Dr_Willis, I don't know if it got moved... but I believe kdm was moved to being launched by upstart in the last update and that line points to the wrong place
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. kdm and gdm both have been launches as 'services'  since a LOOONG time ago
[09:46] <Adapter> how to switch from gdm to kdm
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm (or kdm) at one time DID do it.
[09:47] <mjbrooks> Dr_Willis, where does gdm live on your system?
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> not sure now.
[09:47] <Dr_Willis>  /usr/sbin/gdm
[09:47] <Adapter> thx
[09:47] <baron86> it worked thnx.. I would like to ask if there is supposed to  be a graphical grub editor in the final edition sth like Kgrubeditor
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> with a few tools in /usr/bin/gdm* also.
[09:48] <mjbrooks> Dr_Willis, maybe they moved it... I have /usr/bin/kdm
[09:48] <baron86> And if someone has an idea how to move OS from virtualbox it would be great or give me a guide :)
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> ask a Q. then leave.. :) good one baron86
[09:49] <mjbrooks> lol
[09:49] <mjbrooks> baron86,  and that's how you do it!
[09:50] <mjbrooks> baron86, hope that helps
[09:50] <eagles0513875> baron86: what do you mean by move os from virtual box
[09:50] <baron86> can you repeat it because i loged out?
[09:50] <eagles0513875> and mjbrooks im off to a good start with karmic and stuff like kwin and kdeinit4 crashing
[09:50] <baron86> I mean that i installed windows XP via virtualbox
[09:51] <baron86> and i want to format my linux cause sth is messed up
[09:51] <mjbrooks> Dr_Willis, did you see what I did there?
[09:51] <baron86> and i dont want to install Xp again cause i think there is a way to copy them and use them again
[09:52] <baron86> i found some how tos but i am afraid cause if they dont work it would be bad
[09:52] <mjbrooks> baron86, you can just back it up and restore it in your new linux install
[09:53] <baron86> Is there any detailed how to that worked for someone?
[09:53] <mjbrooks> I think you just have to copy ~/.virtualbox to your backup media... if I recall correctly
[09:54] <mjbrooks> then when you get your system back up copy it back and install virtualbox again
[09:54] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: all he needs to copy is the virtual disk
[09:55] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, did you get bit by the kdm not starting on boot thing that happened today?
[09:55] <baron86> u see thats what i mean. In many how to do it, it is certain that this doesnt work cause there is sth wrong with the id..
[09:55] <eagles0513875> as long as he has the virtual disk he wont have to reinstall it
[09:55] <eagles0513875> he just needs to take not where it belongs
[09:55] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, bah... details, there's not much else in there anywho... why nitpick
[09:55] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: it starts up and i can login but i get bit in the rump by things crashing
[09:56] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: gonna update now to see if i get the kdm issue
[09:56] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, yeah, I have a few of those oddities myself
[09:57] <eagles0513875> kwin then notifier then kdeinit4
[09:57] <baron86> one more thing.. I have an external hard drive.. Can i have it automounted when i login?
[09:57] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, bookmark this for reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/437067
[09:57] <eagles0513875> thanks mjbrooks
[09:58] <mjbrooks> apt-get, please stop
[09:58] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: thats funny cuz i was having that issue where kdm would drop me down to tty console and no x starting
[09:59] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, maybe my super-cow powers kept the issue at bay, but I only got hit with it when I did an update earlier
[10:00] <eagles0513875> well now it seems like my clock is outa sync on my vm O_o
[10:00] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, it's in sync somewhere  ;)
[10:00] <eagles0513875> not on my vm
[10:00] <mjbrooks> lol
[10:01] <eagles0513875> might need to set up ntp so it syncs with an ntp server
[10:01] <eagles0513875> seems like there is a new kernel image :)
[10:01] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, -11  yes
[10:02] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, Linux badkarma 2.6.31-11-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 25 06:37:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:02] <eagles0513875> badkarma O_O
[10:02] <mjbrooks> lol
[10:02] <mjbrooks> yeah... couldn't resist
[10:03] <tgpraveen> which is meant to be the final GDM theme? http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu910finalartwork-large_005.jpg or http://i37.tinypic.com/wraxxl.jpg?     why doesn't it loook like the mockups which were so beautiful like http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SrwNNZ_JEYI/AAAAAAAADM8/oZ5p_A84zN8/s1600-h/image%5B7%5D.png?
[10:04] <tgpraveen> what are you guys seeing right now. to which one it is similar tto
[10:04] <mjbrooks> tgpraveen, I don't have gdm
[10:05] <baron86> i am sorry.. I have to ask it again.. Is there anyway to have my media automounted when i log in?
[10:06] <mjbrooks> my god those are all ugly
[10:06] <mjbrooks> baron86, is it always plugged in?
[10:07] <baron86> yeap its an external hard drive
[10:07] <mjbrooks> baron86, you could add a line in /etc/fstab for it
[10:07] <baron86> saying what?
[10:08] <mjbrooks> depends on the device
[10:09] <baron86> what you mean..
[10:09] <baron86> can you give an exampple?
[10:10] <robin0800> baron86:  Use 'blkid  to find the UUID  then UUID=
[10:11] <mjbrooks> baron86, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[10:11] <baron86> thnk you
[10:11] <mjbrooks> baron86, you may also wish to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[10:12] <mjbrooks> those mkfontscale crashes are annoying
[10:15] <tgpraveen> mjbrooks: the mockup looks good. atleast better than others
[10:16] <tgpraveen> baron86: if it is a external hard drive usb , then it should automount on boot up
[10:16] <tgpraveen> if it doesn't then it's a bug report it and hopefully as karmic is still in developmendt by the final release  it will work well again
[10:19] <mjbrooks> tgpraveen, the whole brown thing... ugh
[10:19] <tgpraveen>  http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SrwNNZ_JEYI/AAAAAAAADM8/oZ5p_A84zN8/s1600-h/image%5B7%5D.png mjbrooks this atleast has other colours given more prominence
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> Next release they are going with a Hot Pink and Fusha color scheme.
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:20] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: no login screen :(
[10:20] <eagles0513875> whats the command that i can run to reconfigure wether i use kdm or gdm ?
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm (or kdm) at one time DID do it.
[10:21] <tgpraveen> what are you guys seeing right now. to which one it is similar tto?
[10:21] <tgpraveen> Dr_Willis: ^^
[10:21] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what you mean at one time DID do it
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> It used to work on 9.04 and earlier..
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> ive not tried it on 9.10
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> Try it and see. :)
[10:22] <eagles0513875> ill let u know if i can get to a tty console or single user mode
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> I'll expect a full report on my desk first thing in the A.M.
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:22] <eagles0513875> haha
[10:23] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: how can i chroot into the install i have from the live cd?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> mount it  somewhere,  chroot /media/mountpoint
[10:23] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> lets see if the bot has a good factoid
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> !chroot
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> no it dont. :)
[10:24] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:24] <eagles0513875> does the bot ever lol
[10:24] <eagles0513875> i take that back
[10:24] <eagles0513875> it does occasionally
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> chroot is such a big topic
[10:25] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:25] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, your reconfiguring kdm why?
[10:25] <Dr_Willis>  the gentoo install guide has  at the start how to 'chroot' into your system you are building.
[10:25] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: im getting no login screen what so ever now just a black screen cant do anything
[10:25] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, not even a terminal?
[10:25] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ya i know hehe someone needs to add AI to the bots
[10:25] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: nope
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> singleuser/recovery mode = black also.
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> ?
[10:25] <eagles0513875> not even
[10:26] <eagles0513875> i cant even get grub to come up to let me boot the kernel into single user mode
[10:26] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, CTRL+ALT+F1?
[10:26] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, wait... what?!!
[10:26] <dupondje> somebody knows how to get a WebDAV calendar working in Evolution ?
[10:26] <eagles0513875> normally u can hit esc to choose which kernel and change boot options like single user mode and for some reason i cant
[10:27] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: now i got some screwey resolution
[10:27] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, esc? I thought it was e or some such
[10:27] <eagles0513875> used to be esc in the past
[10:27] <eagles0513875> let me try e now
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6   has the commands (i borrow) that i normally use to chroot into a system
[10:28] <eagles0513875> it says grub loading and goes right into booting the os
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> esc, or c, or.. i forget..
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> does grub2 even have that feature? ive not tried...
[10:29] <eagles0513875> ya it does it is esc cuz i have seen it when running it on my laptop
[10:30] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875,  are you using a VM?
[10:30] <eagles0513875> ya on here a vm
[10:31] <eagles0513875> on my laptop boot camp since im on a macbook pro
[10:31] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I mean for the one that you can't edit grub
[10:31] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, the ESC probably isn't getting passed through
[10:32] <eagles0513875> its a vm
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> hit esc 1000 times :) during the post!
[10:32] <eagles0513875> i reinstalled yesterday to see if some issues would re arise
[10:32] <eagles0513875> but they havent after install but others have lol
[10:33] <eagles0513875> still nothing :(
[10:37] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, you need to find out how to get the VM to grab your keyboard first... in VMWare it's CTRL+G
[10:37] <eagles0513875> ahhhh strange :)
[10:37] <eagles0513875> now i have a console
[10:37] <eagles0513875> it went stright to it
[10:37] <eagles0513875> and mjbrooks im using vbox i had workstation but i noticed a big performance difference when i switched to vbox
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> Im tmpted to reformat/reinstall - but i got too many torrents going on right now.
[10:38] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, I need WS because I need USB, the only purpose for it's existance is to sync my iPhone to itunes.... sad I know
[10:39] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:39] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm isnt working btw
[10:39] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:39] <eagles0513875> neither is sudo dpkg --reconfigre -a
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  bummer.
[10:39] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, isn't working as in?
[10:40] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: keeps giving me the syntacs stuff as in dpkg and the flags
[10:40] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, why are you reconfiguring?
[10:40] <eagles0513875> ffs
[10:40] <eagles0513875> i think i found the answer
[10:40] <eagles0513875> with the updates kwin got uninstalled again
[10:40] <James147> eagles0513875: heh, not again
[10:40] <mjbrooks> are you sure it's not the bug I menationed?
[10:40] <eagles0513875> yes again James147
[10:41] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: let me see if reinstalling kwin fixes the issue
[10:41] <eagles0513875> rebooting now
[10:41] <mjbrooks> speaking of which... brb
[10:43] <eagles0513875> ill be back off to have a quick lunch james
[10:43] <eagles0513875> letting my vm boot back up
[10:43] <dupondje> damn :( Evolution can't sync with WebDAV :(
[10:45] <mjbrooks> meh.... my boot time has worsened in recent updates, from ~0:30 to ~1:10
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> has the latest update screwed networking?
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> Its working here.
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> latest as in how long ago?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> all i get is my wireless which i blacklisted the module for as it was making my sound jitter
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> got the -11 kernel last night and rebooted, no good, went back to -10 and also bad, bios shows device as enabled and i'm on live cd on the same rig now and its ok
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm -11 is working here.
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> I'm just upgrading the network manager so I can use the debs on the installed system ;)
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> i may be back
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> ey all fixed
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. my hero.
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. ive not noticed my sound Popping like it used to...
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> or is it i have the speakers off...
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> had to reinstall network manager, without it my eth0 didnt even show ni lshw output
[11:07] <jemark> ActionParsnip, that
[11:07] <jemark> ActionParsnip, that's good
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> I noticd  there was some easier way to change to use wicd instead of network manager also.
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> well i use static IP so its a pretty worthless app to me
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> just didnt seem to bring up the interface so i'll just have to run the app
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait..i heard the sound do a little 'thunk' just now.
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> Its like the gnome-terminal wants to beep.. so the speaker thuks.. but it dosent beep becase i turned off the beeps...
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> but it gets ready to beep. ;)
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> ill just enable all these system clicks so it always is  making noises.. that will show it!
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: got pcspkr blacklisted?
[11:11] <Darkedge> Guys,
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking it was blacklisted by default
[11:11] <Darkedge> I wanted to ask:
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> its not loaded. :)
[11:11] <Darkedge> Will Karmic get surport back for Intel cards with Compiz?
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> Compiz works for intel cards for me on 9.04 once i enabled those intel ppa repos.
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> !intel
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> Darkedge: id say so
[11:12] <jemark> Darkedge, I think so. I have installed Karmic last week and Compiz works
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> and it should work on 9.10 i imagine. they have been working on it.
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> just buy nvidia and you are fine :)
[11:14] <jemark> ActionParsnip, i thought there were issues with nvidia as well, lately?
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> Ive not had any issues with my 8800gtsXXX video card.
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> jemark: nvidia has ran flawlessly here since I bought the TNT2 ultra 32Mb when that was the big gaming card
[11:17] <jemark> ActionParsnip, example is here: bug 85451 on launchpad... but i agree that nvidia is een good card for linux
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> weird, my 6150 512Mb onboard is fine
[11:19] <wekt> Dr_Willis: where is that intel PPA?
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> !intel
[11:19] <Dr_Willis>  its mentioned there.
[11:19] <jemark> ActionParsnip, another one bug 391461 on launchpad
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> Not tried it with 9.10
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> I use the 190 driver, its spiffy
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> and i dont use godawful compiz
[11:21] <jemark> ActionParsnip, Dr_Willis is interested in compiz, i think...
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> goodness knows why
[11:23] <jemark> ActionParsnip, lol
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> I tend to disable compuuz.
[11:29] <wzssyqa> why if i install pulseaudio,then totem have no sound?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> Well im resetting my users settings.. see if can get flash drives to properly  be seen/mounted
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> brb
[11:30] <jemark> wzssyqa, has still sound as for as I could exeperience
[11:31] <wzssyqa> jemark: if i have pulesaudio installed mplayer ande wine etc have sound
[11:32] <wzssyqa> jemark: but,totem and rhythmbox
[11:32] <wzssyqa> jemark: have no sound
[11:32] <jemark> wzssyqa, did you check gstreamer-properties ?
[11:33] <wzssyqa> jemark: how to do it?
[11:33] <jemark> wzssyqa, Alt + F2 and type gstreamer-properties , press enter...
[11:35] <wzssyqa> jemark: it say can't open display
[11:35] <wzssyqa> jemark: maybe i should shutdown gdm?
[11:37] <jemark> wzssyqa, you have to go to "Run Application" ... you can do this by pressing Alt, hold this and then pess F2 while you hold Alt..
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> Ok.. lets see if it works better.
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> Compiz was enabled by default.. and it 'hung' for me.. luckly i was able to get a terminal window open and ran 'metacity --replace'
[11:38] <wzssyqa> jemark: o ,thanks
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> but i plug in my flash drive and it still dosent auto mount/get seen/acknoledged at all
[11:39] <wzssyqa> jemark: just now ,i press ctrl +alt +f2
[11:40] <jemark> wzssyqa, no, only Alt+F2 , i didn't mention ctrl+blabla.. ;)
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> anyone else notice  under Places --> (removeable media) ?  that used to be there.. but now its gone.
[11:41] <wzssyqa> jemark: i used to use terminal
[11:42] <jemark> wzssyqa, this is a gnome app... just to run it in the terminal. that won't work...
[11:43] <vistakiller> hi
[11:46] <alexmurray> Hi, anyone else noticed that screen blanking isn't working in Karmic?
[11:47] <cbmuser> hi, anyone also see misplaced osd-notifiers from time to time?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> I noticed that since i tweaked with the gdm settings.. i get 2 screensavers kicking in.
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> and it does blank here..  at least it fades to black.
[11:48] <alexmurray> hmm, well for me I have gnome-power-manager set to blank the screen after 5 minutes, but it only ever dims it, it doesn't actually switch the backlight off
[11:51] <cbmuser> misplaced notify osd: http://users.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaubitz/notify2.png
[11:51] <cbmuser> it's shifted downwards by approximately it's vertical size
[11:52] <alexmurray> cbmuser: I think that some notifications (like volume and screen resolution changes) get placed at the top, whilst actual notifications get placed just under this like in your screenshot
[11:53] <cbmuser> alexmurray: hmm, I haven't seen a system behind that yet
[11:54] <cbmuser> for me the placement seems to be purely random
[11:54] <alexmurray> cbmuser: do notifications behave in this way for you - where do volume changes get placed?
[11:56] <cbmuser> well, volume changes don't display at all
[11:56] <cbmuser> neither do brightness changes
[11:56]  * dupondje slaps msynctool :'(
[11:57] <alexmurray> well that is definitely weird.. I guess you've got all the latest updates installed?
[11:57] <cbmuser> jepp
[11:57] <cbmuser> is there any way to control the osd?
[11:58] <cbmuser> to set what's displayed and what not?
[11:58] <alexmurray> not that I know of
[11:58] <alexmurray> its all meant to just work automatically
[11:58] <cbmuser> hmm
[11:59] <cbmuser> so it doesn't read anything from ${HOME}?
[11:59] <alexmurray> dont think so
[12:15] <alexmurray> Is anyone else using empathy as their irc client? I'm trying it out for the first time and so far it seems okay
[12:17] <Dr_WiLLiS> ive not tried it
[12:17] <tgpraveen> alexmurray: I used to use it.
[12:17] <tgpraveen> its nice
[12:17] <tgpraveen> but the support for command is missing
[12:17] <Dr_WiLLiS> i was trying Quassle (sp?) on Kubuntu for a bit.
[12:17] <Dr_WiLLiS> it had some neat feautres
[12:17] <tgpraveen> so not good for power users/experts ok for beiginners
[12:18] <Dr_WiLLiS> Im mainly using WeeChat these days
[12:18] <alexmurray> tgpraveen: yeah it's definitely no irssi thats for sure
[12:18] <tgpraveen> alexmurray: sadly even pidgin beats it
[12:18]  * Dr_WiLLiS installs empathy
[12:18] <Dr_WiLLiS> WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[12:19] <Dr_WiLLiS> are we going to have that warning for the next 6+ mo? :)
[12:19] <alexmurray> although I do like the integration with the new messaging / notifications stuff as well as keeping all IM / communications stuff in the one program...
[12:19] <alexmurray> if only it supported Skype then it would be complete :)
[12:20] <Dr_WiLLiS> I only use IRC. :)
[12:20] <Dr_WiLLiS> so the rest is fluff.
[12:20] <Dr_WiLLiS> Now what is the deal.. Mounting of uSB drives was working.. and Now its not on 9.10
[12:21]  * popey wonders if any other nvidia users are experiencing hard lockups
[12:21] <alexmurray> USB mounting works fine for me
[12:21] <leaf-sheep> You're saying you're experiencing breakages and it's not still ready? Although we're approaching Beta less than a week? Oh thanks for the head up. I think I'll stick with Jaunty. :(
[12:21] <Dr_WiLLiS> its been an on and off thing.. Not sure what the deal is.
[12:21] <alexmurray> popey: nvidia works fine for me - what hardware have you got? is it overheating perhaps?
[12:21] <Dr_WiLLiS> the system sees them. i can mount them manually.. gnome is not automounting them
[12:22] <alexmurray> Dr_WiLLiS: I was seeing something similar with cds for a while, but USB is fine
[12:22] <Dr_WiLLiS> I think i will make a new user. see if it also affects them
[12:23] <Dr_WiLLiS> Oh wait - that fast-user switching applet also crashes now on me :) cant start a 2nd desktop
[12:23] <popey> alexmurray: not overheating, its an ION
[12:23] <popey> locks up within a minute or two of bootup
[12:23] <Frijolie> hey, is there a way to control where the windows display (e.g. center of the screen)?
[12:23] <Frijolie> each and every time I load a window they're always in a different spot on my screen
[12:24] <Dr_WiLLiS> Frijolie:  the window manager contriolss that to a large part. it can rember where they were closed at
[12:24] <Frijolie> and I'm always dragging them to another location, is there a default somewhere?
[12:24] <popey> only way to stop it locking up is to shutdown X and unload the nvidia binary module
[12:24] <Dr_WiLLiS> there may be some 'placement' tweaks on the gnome settings some where Frijolie
[12:24] <Dr_WiLLiS> I think compiz also had some tweaks for window placement
[12:25] <Frijolie> yeah, I've looked through GNOME and can't find anything
[12:25] <Dr_WiLLiS> gnome tendsd to do the 'you dont need to change that' sort of stuff
[12:26] <Frijolie> compiz, has "put" but that doesn't seem to do anything
[12:28] <Frijolie> compiz also has "window placement". I have "placement mode" set to "centered" and stuff still isn't centered
[12:28] <Frijolie> who takes priority, GNOME or Compiz?
[12:30] <tgpraveen> alexmurray: skype being proprietary it won't ever be supported by I-a I think .
[12:31] <tgpraveen> alexmurray: though with empathy and its audio/video chat and all we won't need skype much longer
[12:31] <alexmurray> tgpraveen: indeed, I just wish it would be
[12:41] <test34> tgpraveen, can you get a phone number with empathy
[12:42] <test34> tgpraveen, or call ordinary phones for that matter
[12:42] <alexmurray> test34: empathy uses sip, so yes you can
[12:43] <tgpraveen> test34: it has SIP . and theoretically a GSM supporting client can be developed though it aint done right now.
[12:43] <test34> ok cool
[12:45] <test34> I'll give it a try
[12:52] <ali1234> bugs bugs bugs
[12:52] <test34> which protocol in the new account window do you have to use for SIP? or is it only supported in the development version?
[12:53] <kuttans> hello friends
[12:54] <kuttans> anyone using karmic here who can help me
[12:54] <kuttans> hello am i heard
[12:54] <test34> Hi kuttans, just ask
[12:54] <James147> !ask | kuttans
[12:55] <kuttans> thx
[12:55] <kuttans> after updating karmic today morning
[12:55] <kuttans> im not getting the kdm login screen after restart
[12:55] <kuttans> the problem is ubuntu dropping to a console instead of starting the kdm
[12:55] <James147> kuttans: install kwin, some ppl have had that be uninstalled for osme reason
[12:56] <kuttans> and the problem is the screen saying /etc/apparmor/initramfs :27:find : not found
[12:56] <kuttans> /etc/apparmor/initramfs:27:xargs: not found
[12:57] <kuttans> im sorry for not writing in one line
[12:58] <kuttans> is there anyone who is suffering from the same problem?
[12:58] <kuttans> i tried to stop apparmor at startup and even tried removing that but of no use
[12:58] <James147> kuttans: try installing kubuntu-desktop
[12:59] <kuttans> kubuntu-desktop is the newest version
[12:59] <kuttans> but my problem is not that kdm is crashing, its not even started up
[12:59] <kuttans> im just dropped to a console instead of kde login window
[12:59] <tgpraveen> test34: you have to have telepathy-sofia installed for SIP
[13:00] <test34> thanks tgpraveen
[13:00] <tgpraveen> its there for jaunty as well as karmic
[13:00] <tgpraveen> use telepathyu ppa if you are on jaunty though
[13:02] <test34> I have Karmic
[13:06] <robin0800> kuttans: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/437067 for fix
[13:10] <kuttans> sorry robin, the fix is already applied in mine
[13:13] <kuttans> let me check anyway once again after reboot, will come back
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Compiz does seem a bit broken.
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> It says its enabled..but theres no titlebar/frame/whatevers
[13:21] <kuttans> sorry robin0800 it was of no use still im dropped to a console login screen
[13:23] <jbicha> I am unable to get X to start when I try to boot from liveusb? I'm trying xforcevesa but that doesn't seem to help
[13:25] <kuttans> is there anyone else facing the same problem after updating karmic today.  The error is that no display manager is started and the system will drop to a console login.  You have to start kdm manually after that.  further before dropping to console it gives an error mesage like this /etc/apparmor/initramfs : 27: find: not found , /etc/apparmor/initramfs:27:xargs: not found.  Please let me know if anyone have a fix for this
[13:26] <leaf-sheep> Anybody here using Karmic on Dell XPS M1530? How is it going for you? :)
[13:27] <hifi> wait, how do you use the karmic UNR image with a netbook
[13:27] <hifi> jaunty had a thumb drive image available
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> You can use the iso UNR and unetbootin to make a bootable flash drive
[13:28] <ali1234> hifi: you use the usb startup disk creator maybe? and then run into bug 436418
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> or the ubuntu usb creator tool
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> I got an AAO but im letting it stay with 9.04 for a while longer
[13:29] <hifi> is that aspire one specific or is the image bad?
[13:29] <ali1234> i have no idea
[13:29] <ali1234> nobody is willing to test it
[13:29] <hifi> did you report the bug
[13:29] <ali1234> i guess it is aao specific or a lot more people would be complaining
[13:29] <ali1234> yep
[13:29] <hifi> I'll give it a spin on EEE900
[13:29] <ali1234> i didnt try UNR btw
[13:30] <ali1234> but since it died so early i doubt that matters
[13:30] <hifi> I'm going to try UNR
[13:30] <ali1234> tested with alpah 6 and yesterday's daily
[13:30] <hifi> does unetbootin understand karmic UNR .iso?
[13:30] <kuttans> so its of no use to stay here i will try to do something myself or else wait for an update
[13:30] <ali1234> should do
[13:30] <wekt> AAO?
[13:30] <hifi> Acer Aspire One
[13:30] <ali1234> that is to say, i got identical results with unetbootin 356 and usb creator from jaunty
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> hifi:  ive not tried it.. but i imagine it does
[13:30] <leaf-sheep> You could do netboot and select UNR from sudo tasksel
[13:31] <nanomad> ali1234, did you try another usb stick?
[13:31] <ali1234> both worked with older karmic isos
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> ali1234:  ive gotten very different boot menus.. (fixable) and Unetnootin dont make the persistant save/home file.
[13:31] <kuttans> i have a acer aspire and im running karmic
[13:31] <kuttans> the latest
[13:31] <nanomad> ali1234, and the same usb stick with the same image in another pc
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> both worked.. :) just little differances in the menus mainly
[13:31] <ali1234> nanomad: no i didn't. i dont have any other usb drives big enough. i can try booting it on another PC though
[13:31] <tgpraveen> test34: so you got SIP working?
[13:31] <ali1234> i'll try it now
[13:32] <nanomad> ali1234, thanks
[13:32] <tgpraveen> are you able to call normal phone nos.?
[13:33] <hifi> damn U3 and windows
[13:37] <dupondje> hm
[13:37] <dupondje> SynCE should be upgraded in Karmic imo :D
[13:38] <tgpraveen> ih
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. rebooted and no sound now...
[13:42] <nanomad> dupondje, you can fill an upgrade request
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> there we go.. some how it got muted
[13:43] <ali1234> nanomad: it doesnt work on the other machine either
[13:43] <ali1234> but the error is different: now i get the error about sr0 which i've seen on similar bug reports
[13:44] <hifi> looks like the alpha6 unr image boots fine on EEE 900
[13:44] <nanomad> ali1234, it could be a defective usb stick
[13:44] <ali1234> it isn't
[13:46] <dupondje> nanomad: its not sync request from debian, but from upstream
[13:47] <leaf-sheep> New Request -- pastebinit included by default -- Reason? Making it easier to paste contents for IRC Community. :)
[13:48] <nanomad> dupondje, maybe try contacting the packager
[13:49] <nanomad> leaf-sheep, bug marked as WONTFIX, reason: noobs wont actually use it
[13:52] <leaf-sheep> nanomad: We supplies the commands in IRC. "cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit"
[13:53] <nanomad> leaf-sheep, i was kidding. it will be fine to include it, actually it will make my life easier
[13:53] <leaf-sheep> Ya. Anything that can help... can help.
[13:53] <leaf-sheep> :)
[13:54] <nanomad> leaf-sheep, i will try it now ;)
[13:57] <wzssyqa> if i don't want use pulseaudio,how can i have a alsamixer on tray?
[14:06] <jbicha> I can't get today's build to boot via USB from my AAO either
[14:06] <hifi> tapping won't work with UNR Alpha 6 :o
[14:20] <arand> Hmm, is there any good reason why lagno and chess are not under the logic submenu in games?
[14:29] <leaf-sheep> Will Ubuntu-Mobile PPA be supported in Karmic too?
[14:52] <hifi> woo, the ubuntu software store is cool
[14:59] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:00] <bruna> aqui é em portugues??
[15:00] <sageNsand> Anyone here get Grsync to start? Mine won't start and I don't get a error popup to  report it
[15:03] <Machtin> Hm.. sound doesn't work.. since some updates.. have i missed any bug or so?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !pt | bruna
[15:05] <SKB> is totem using PA by default now? 0o
[15:07] <Tronic> Rhythmbox doesn't work with PA here.
[15:09] <alexmurray> both totem and rhythmbox use gstreamer which by default uses pulseaudio (and if pulseaudio is running, even if an app uses ALSA, by default it will be using the ALSA emulation of pulseaudio so either way most apps are all probably using pulseaudio now) - and incidentally pulseaudio works great for me - finally an easy way to do 5.1 plus bluetooth integration.
[15:18] <Machtin> rather strange.
[15:18] <Machtin> no sound.. worked 4 hours ago or so
[15:20] <BluesKaj> same here , alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[15:21] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio in the konsole gives: pa_pid_file_create() failed
[15:21] <Machtin> indeed
[15:21] <BluesKaj> looks like the kernel modules aren't waking up
[15:23] <komputes> I am using Karmic. I would like to set the following sounds to my wav files, something which should should be fairly easy to do as I have done it before in a previous release.
[15:23] <komputes> -login screen sound
[15:23] <komputes> -session start sound
[15:23] <komputes> -log out sound
[15:23] <komputes> -dragging and dropping sound
[15:23] <komputes> -closing window sound
[15:23] <BluesKaj> I had to reinstall the nvidia-glx-180 video driver to get X to start ..my other proprietary driver was stripped out somehow by the last update
[15:24] <Machtin> BluesKaj: via purge and then install again? or how?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Machtin, reinstalling didn't help , maybe purge , then install again will, ...dunno
[15:27] <Machtin> :o
[15:27] <Machtin> thought you had to reinstall it to get it work?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> no reinstall didn't work
[15:30] <BluesKaj> not for my card anyway
[15:31] <arand> How do you configure the sound theme in karmic?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> i have a feeling the kernel module was striped
[15:31] <BluesKaj> stripped
[15:32] <Machtin> i see
[15:32] <Machtin> i only get into x via startx
[15:33] <Dr_Willis> arand:  as far as i can tell.. you dont
[15:34] <arand> Dr_Willis: right...
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Machtin, I just purged alsa-utils, also-base and pulseaudio ..got a message the kubuntu-desktop is brol=ken ..aint that luvely :P
[15:43] <Twigathy1> rar
[15:43] <Dr_Willis> Roar!
[15:44] <Twigathy1> I have a problem with my NFS root machine again
[15:44] <Twigathy1> Boot stops at "udevd - failed to rename eth0 to eth3 - device or resource busy"
[15:44] <Twigathy1> How do I stop udev messing with my ethernet interface so boot can carry on?
[15:45] <Twigathy1> 'cos atm the machine is unbootable (Thankfully I backed up root before doing the latest batch of updates, so I have something to boot off :))
[15:49] <nemo> always assertion failures on closing totem
[15:49]  * nemo sighs
[15:49] <nemo> probably still pulseaudio
[15:54] <Zorix> this close to beta release im surprised an update broke automatic x startup
[15:55] <xguru> Zorix: i'm not.  It broke my users and groups as well as flash :)
[15:55] <Twigathy1> I can't NFS boot with the latest pile of updates c_c
[15:55] <Twigathy1> Got to find out how to tell udev to get lost c_c
[15:56]  * SKB is not going to upgrade for a few days
[15:56] <xguru> Twigathy1: I haven't had that issue, so i don't know how to fix u :/
[15:57] <Twigathy1> xguru: indeed, it's annoying :(
[15:57] <Twigathy1> I'll be stuck on pre-final 9.10 forever now :)
[15:57] <Twigathy1> might have to do some hacking this evening and try lobotomising the boot a bit (Take out udev)
[15:57] <xguru> ouch
[15:59] <Twigathy1> If I can at least pin down that it is udev and not something else then I can file a bug
[15:59] <Twigathy1> because right now there's probably piles of things it could be :)
[16:01]  * Twigathy1 wonders if any other bits of the boot process rely on udev running :/
[16:02] <Twigathy1> I don't know enough about the boot process c_c
[16:02] <xguru> hmm...i found some interesting sites on disabling udev, but i'm not brave enough to test :)
[16:04] <BUGabundo> boas
[16:05] <Twigathy1> xguru: well... I'd like to disable it on boot and then try running it once booted to see if it breaks things again ^_^
[16:05]  * Twigathy1 will test when he gets home - at work atm!
[16:07] <xguru> interested in learning....i hope i'm around :)
[16:07] <alexmurray> Twigathy1: udev is a crucial part of the system, its 1 layer above the kernel - I doubt you will get very far if you disable it since basically no devices will be detected - it does all the device detection etc
[16:07] <Twigathy1> hum :(
[16:08] <Twigathy1> I used to use a hack to stop NetworkManager from messing with the ethernet interface, but it seems now udev is the culprit :)
[16:08] <ali1234> udev is pretty important if you like your hardware to work
[16:08] <Twigathy1> stuck exit 0 at the top of one of the NM scripts c_c
[16:08] <Twigathy1> right :)
[16:08] <Twigathy1> I probably won't get too far w/o it then
[16:10] <xguru> yea you have to load modules yourself
[16:10] <Twigathy1> ick
[16:10] <BluesKaj> no login page, so X isn't starting without a prompt , no audio
[16:11] <Twigathy1> perhaps fiddling with some of the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d will help
[16:11] <xguru> ubuntu forums say udev issues have been fixed, since like 4days ago
[16:11] <Twigathy1> xguru: my setup is a bit special though, root is on NFS... so if udev (or anything) messes with the eth interface during boot it all fails horribly...
[16:12] <Twigathy1> "Oh, I'm just going to rename this ... wait ... where'd root go? :-("
[16:12] <alexmurray> not only will you have to load modules, but you won't have any device files show up under /dev so I really think nothing will work
[16:12] <FloridaGuy> i installed kubuntu-desktop.....how do i remove everything it installed
[16:12] <ali1234> FloridaGuy: very carefully
[16:13] <FloridaGuy> ali1234, and hows that
[16:13] <BluesKaj> remove-kubuntu desktop :)
[16:13] <ali1234> the only way i know is to write a list of what kubuntu-desktop installs before it does it, and then remove all that by hand
[16:13] <IdleOne> !puregnome
[16:15] <ali1234> it should be possible to have lxde, kde, and gnome without ending up with 3 text editors, 3 terminal apps, 3 file managers etc in the menus of each desktop
[16:16] <ali1234> the worst part is ubuntu likes to rename everything "text editor" " terminal" etc so you never know which one you're going to get
[16:18] <IdleOne> maybe they could do a Applications > Gnome and Applications > KDE and separate the apps in the menu. then maybe I would install both kde and gnome
[16:18] <test34> tgpraveen4, no, SIP is not working yet, I installed telepathy-sofiasip and all dependencies and restarted empathy, but I still dont see a SIP option (I will try again later I need to finish this drywall)
[16:18] <Turms> i am in my launchpad page but i cannot find anymore were to file a new bugreport, someone knows what should i do?
[16:18] <Turms> s/someone/anyone/ :-S
[16:19] <ali1234> Turms: when you find it it redirects you here anyway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:20] <Turms> ali1234, when did the system change" my last bugreport dates back to 3 or 4 days
[16:20] <ali1234> some time in the past 24 hours
[16:21] <ali1234> launchpad itself was upgraded to a new version a couple of days ago
[16:21] <robin0800_> IdleOne: you can customise the menu if you won't to but why don't they just stop migration
[16:21] <IdleOne> robin0800_: I know I can do it but would be a lot easier if it was automagically done for me :)
[16:22] <Turms> ali1234, well i'll use reportbug as i do with debian :-D
[16:22] <ali1234> robin0800_: the point is i want kde and gnome installed, and i want both desktops to look exactly like they do after a clean install with the matching (k)ubuntu disk
[16:22] <ali1234> without spending days editing both menus
[16:23] <robin0800_> IdleOne: yes well if they didn't allow migration there be no problem
[16:24] <IdleOne> the issue is if/when I want to boot kubuntu. I don't want to see all the gnome apps in my menus. having 4 different terminal apps is redundant at best
[16:24] <IdleOne> and plain stupid at worst
[16:24] <IdleOne> :)
[16:24] <Turms> ali1234, ok the answer is ubuntu-bug
[16:25] <IdleOne> but I prefer gnome anyway so the issue does not affect me much
[16:25] <ali1234> agreed. but sometimes i want to check on kde and see if it is good yet. without ruining my gnome set up
[16:25] <Twigathy1> Well, I just commented out all the rules in 70-persistent-net.rules... will test it once I get home. <3 ssh. Wish I could boot my machine now to test!
[16:26] <IdleOne> ali1234: you could always just run it in a VM to check on it I guess
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah i tried that
[16:27] <ali1234> kde runs terribly in virtualbox
[16:27] <ali1234> maybe it just sucks like that anyway
[16:27] <ali1234> i dunno
[16:27] <ali1234> live cd is probably a good idea
[16:28] <IdleOne> worth a try.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> helps a lot of you get the actualy 3d drivers for your card as well
[16:28] <nemo> agh. or firefox locks up after trying to close a flash window.  I again blame pulseaudio :(
[16:28] <ali1234> i use nvidia
[16:28] <donaldo> hello
[16:28] <ali1234> kubuntu takes about 20 minutes to load up in vbox
[16:36] <tgpraveen4> !info pulse
[16:37] <tgpraveen4> !info pulseaudio
[16:37] <donaldo> I left the black screen after installing nvidia drivers in karmic, has any idea?
[16:39] <ali1234> anybody know if karmic's intel driver supports interlace modes yet?
[16:54] <mauri> hi after latest karmic update, kde does not start automatically
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> yep. lots of people have that issue it seems
[16:55] <darthanubis> mauri: again, read the TOPIC Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system <sigh>
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> KDM dosent start properly. You can still do 'startx'
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> or so i hear.
[16:56] <mauri> Dr_Willis: yes, startx works
[16:56] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: that's not helpful
[16:57] <darthanubis> BUGabundo: how?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> to tell him to read topic... what for?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> we already know stuff can and will break
[16:57] <BUGabundo> and if a prob is happening the best we can do
[16:57] <darthanubis> whois "we"
[16:57] <BUGabundo> is support the user and help triage his prob
[16:58] <davidef1986_> mauri: we are talking about it in kubuntu-devel: you can fix it by editing /etc/init/kdm or wait for the next update
[16:58] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: *we* are we ! the Community! the ppl in this room, on foruns, blogs, MLs.
[16:58] <darthanubis> well they did not appear to be aware of the topic materials. AS from #ubuntu they showed the ability to miss the topic entirely
[16:58] <mauri> davidef1986_: thank a lot
[16:58] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: like davidef1986 just did :)
[16:58] <mauri> davidef1986_: sorry if mine wase a stupid question
[16:59] <darthanubis> BUGabundo: what is not helpful is just to say, "it does not work"
[16:59] <darthanubis> that is not helpful
[16:59] <Machtin> BluesKaj: okay.. hm.
[16:59] <darthanubis> so, the topic basically states don't be surprised
[16:59] <Machtin> so still doesn't work, right?
[16:59] <MTGap> I've been using karmic since alpha 1 and just recently my keyboard and mouse are not detected by xserver
[16:59] <BUGabundo> (04:59:18 PM) nixternal: If you are running !kubuntu !karmic and KDM didn't launch this morning, the fix is coming. Use 'kdm' or 'startx' for the time being. sorry
[17:00] <darthanubis> not this guy, will start to use foul language as it has in the #ubuntu...
[17:00] <BUGabundo> Machtin: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[17:00] <darthanubis> police that
[17:00] <darthanubis> please
[17:00] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: who ?
[17:01] <MTGap> why don't you just help me instead of complaining
[17:01] <BUGabundo> MTGap: what's up ?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and please avoid confrontation
[17:01] <MTGap> I've been using karmic since alpha 1 and just recently my keyboard and mouse are not detected by xserver...
[17:01] <MTGap> I think its hal,
[17:02] <BUGabundo> MTGap: dought it
[17:02] <BUGabundo> we no longer use HAL
[17:02] <MTGap> then why isn't it working
[17:02] <BUGabundo> but it could be a bug with UDEV or X
[17:02] <BUGabundo> MTGap: why is the sun yellow ? or earth round?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> take a peak at the source if you are able to
[17:03] <BUGabundo> other wise, file the bug with all the info you can provide
[17:03] <Machtin> BUGabundo: i noticed that.. but the lack of sound is annoying me.. startx starts x.. that works
[17:03] <BUGabundo> and reproduce it clearlly
[17:03] <BUGabundo> Machtin: fix is coming ! just hold on tight
[17:04] <Machtin> kay :) eta? (don't get me wrong.. just asking if maybe someone has a clue about the time)
[17:04] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:04] <Machtin> ok
[17:04] <BUGabundo> monitor LP builders queue
[17:04] <MTGap> The only info I have is that it doesn't detect it, I've tried a bunch of things in my xorg.conf and nothing works
[17:04] <BUGabundo> and then it has to be pushed to archive
[17:04] <BUGabundo> and to what ever repo you are using
[17:05] <BUGabundo> MTGap: we also depreciated most of xorg.conf
[17:05] <BUGabundo> what mouse/keyb do you have?
[17:05] <MTGap> a kensington and dell keyb
[17:05] <BUGabundo> via ps2, usb, RF, BT?
[17:05] <MTGap> I tried a microsoft mouse as well, no input devices will work
[17:06] <BUGabundo> any other OS works ?
[17:06] <MTGap> ps2 kb and wireless usb mouse
[17:06] <MTGap> yes
[17:06] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:06] <BUGabundo> file a bug, if you haven't
[17:06] <BUGabundo> already
[17:06] <MTGap> and it's worked on karmic since april
[17:06] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug udev
[17:08] <mauri> where Can I Post the problems met using karmic until its release?
[17:08] <blackest_knight> have latest upgrades broken nvidia again?
[17:08] <FloridaGuy> anyone know why desktop backgrounds arent working.....i click on the background i want...and all i get is solid colors
[17:08] <BUGabundo> blackest_knight: WFM
[17:09] <BUGabundo> mauri: here is the place
[17:09] <mauri> BUGabundo: ok, the second problems is about audio device.
[17:09] <blackest_knight> lost my x again
[17:09] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[17:09] <BUGabundo> who hasn't audio probs :)
[17:10] <mauri> BUGabundo: it si not recognized anymore until last update
[17:10] <BUGabundo> mauri: install paman
[17:10] <blackest_knight> uninstall pulseaudio no audio problems ;)
[17:10] <BUGabundo> and pavucontrol
[17:10] <mauri> BUGabundo: I didnt have audio probelma until this morning
[17:10] <BUGabundo> blackest_knight: stop that :(
[17:10] <BUGabundo> mauri: many thing can cause that
[17:10] <BUGabundo> could be even just mutted
[17:12] <mauri> BUGabundo: is there a room for another problems?
[17:12] <blackest_knight> BUGabundo:  when pulse causes a busy loop which after a number of hours shuts  the pc down with overheating you cant really ignore that
[17:13] <BUGabundo> mauri: there's #ubuntu-audio-help
[17:14] <BUGabundo> blackest_knight: I never seen that, my self
[17:14] <BUGabundo> luckly
[17:14] <MTGap> BUGabundo: is there an easy fix to get the devices detected.
[17:15] <blackest_knight> add a second sound card and watch pulse go nuts
[17:15] <mauri> BUGabundo: the problem is about my dvbt pendrive. In kubuntu 9.04 it works but in karmi it is not recognized
[17:15] <BUGabundo> blackest_knight: try PA PPA. should fix most of those
[17:15] <BUGabundo> hence I don't suffer from them
[17:15] <BUGabundo> :p
[17:16] <BUGabundo> bbl. now time to have some fun :P
[17:16] <BUGabundo> bye
[17:17] <blackest_knight> may play again once i get the broken x fixed the latest updates have borked my karmic install again
[17:17] <mauri> the problem is about my dvbt pendrive. In kubuntu 9.04 it works but in karmi it is not recognized
[17:22] <ruediger> hi
[17:22] <ruediger> will ubuntu 9.10 ship with gdb 7 (to be released next week)?
[17:23] <rsk> ruediger: it will not be released next week
[17:23] <rsk> !karmic
[17:23] <rsk> !scheduele
[17:23] <rsk> blerg no bot?
[17:23] <musikgoat> rsk: gdb will release next week
[17:23] <rsk> probably not then
[17:28] <commander_> is ubuntu 9.10 beta out yet?
[17:29] <ruediger> rsk: I meant GDB7 is to be released next week. I'm not sure on the Ubuntu policies. Does Beta mean that they won't accept new versions of packages?
[17:32] <rsk> probably wont go in yes
[17:32] <musikgoat> commander_: the beta is out on the 1st
[17:33] <ruediger> :-(
[17:33] <ruediger> I hope there will be a PPA for gdb7
[17:35] <jbeitler|m> Is Pidgin going to be the default for this build, I know it was to be Empathy, but I just did updates and it installed Pidgin
[17:35] <musikgoat> jbeitler|m: yes, it will be the default im client
[17:36] <jbeitler|m> Pidgin? or Empathy?
[17:36] <musikgoat> i found out the same way
[17:36] <musikgoat> pidgin
[17:36] <jbeitler|m> What happen to Empath?
[17:36] <musikgoat> its still there, i don't think they are going to remove it, but i don't know if it will be installed on fresh betas and the final
[17:37] <musikgoat> the telepathy framework will still be there, so its simple to install if one desires it
[17:37] <jbeitler|m> no I figured it would still be there.. but does anyone know why they changed so close to final release?
[17:38] <musikgoat> jbeitler|m: probably because its not quite ready to be the de facto IM client
[17:38] <musikgoat> there are quite a few bugs with the msn client and other clients
[17:39] <commander_> i can't wait..
[17:39] <jbeitler|m> See I was wondering about that, I knew it had its issues and why they were making it the default didn't quite make sense
[17:40] <musikgoat> jbeitler|m: i was just as confused when i started with the alphas
[17:40] <jbeitler|m> well maybe they will have it ready or 10.04 LTS
[17:40] <jbeitler|m> well as long as I was not the only one, I am ok with it :)
[17:41] <musikgoat> jbeitler|m: maybe,  the only problem i see is that usually these non-lts releases are used to iron the bugs out of stuff for an lts release... so if its not properly vetted, i can see the same thing happening when 10.04 comes out
[17:51] <gletob> Hey I'm running a testing server with jaunty on it and I'm wondering how to upgrade it to the Karmic Alpha?  I followed the direction on the testing page to install update-manager-core and run sudo do-release-upgrade and that says that no new releases are available
[17:53] <penguin42> gletob: I think you need to pass -d to cause it to pick up development releases?
[17:53] <sageNsand> Anyone here get Grsync to start? Mine won't start and I don't get a error popup to report it
[17:54] <gletob> penguin42, that's it.  someone should put that on the testing page.  It
[17:54] <gletob> 's got -d for the GTK updater but not the terminal one.
[17:55] <penguin42> sageNsand: I agree, it doesn't seem to open anything
[17:55] <sageNsand> penguin42: thanks, I don't feel alone
[17:56] <penguin42> sageNsand: Have you reported the bug?
[17:56] <sageNsand> No, but if you would like to report it go for it
[17:57] <penguin42> well I can, but you found it
[17:57] <sageNsand> go report it penguin42
[17:58] <SiDi> hi there
[17:58] <SiDi> can anyone on karmic let me know what music player is currently installed by default ?
[17:58] <rsk> totem i presume?
[18:00] <SiDi> rsk: rhythmbox or banshee ? :/
[18:00] <SiDi> totem is for movies :P
[18:00] <rsk> ah music
[18:03] <ali1234> SiDi: rhythmbox as of yesterday
[18:03] <SiDi> ali1234: thanks
[18:05] <rothchild> ali1234 do you by any chance know when daap sharing is likely to be fixed in Rhythmbox?
[18:05] <ali1234> rothchild: i wouldn't hold my breath
[18:06] <ali1234> like most things, it will be fixed when you fix it youself
[18:08] <rothchild> if I had the skills I would, you'll note I'm not complaining, just askin' ;-)
[18:08] <ali1234> well, i'm complaining :/
[18:09] <rothchild> I'm up and running with mt-daapd, seems to work well
[18:09] <ali1234> i'm just a user like you
[18:10] <ali1234> but i've noticed it's quicker to fix bugs myself then report them. sometimes by years.
[18:11] <BluesKaj> reporting bugs lights a fire under those devs who can fix the probs ...the more the better IMO
[18:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: that is correct
[18:12] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[18:12] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, that is theory, these days there are so many bugs missing triaging that devs can't even browse them
[18:13] <Tm_T> joaopinto: have you been triaging bugs?
[18:13] <Tm_T> I haven't, thats why asking, have no idea what's the situation on that front
[18:13] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, well I hope they fix the pulseaudio/alsa problem soon, as well as the login
[18:14] <Trewas> there's way too many bugs compared to number of active developers (or even triagers), so most of the bugs go ignored and are fixed only by accident (i.e. a new upstream release fixes it)
[18:14] <joaopinto> Tm_T, no, but I have been reporting, and seeing bugs without any feedback for ages
[18:14] <Tm_T> Trewas: depends on bug report quality
[18:14] <joaopinto> these days I think the best thing to do is just report upstream
[18:14] <Tm_T> joaopinto: that's always a smart option, yes
[18:15] <penguin42> although it can be difficult to tell if it's an ubuntu only bug
[18:15] <Trewas> Tm_T: yes, and most of them are very low quality, which only exacerbates the problem
[18:16] <joaopinto> penguin42, there are rare ubuntu only bugs, it can be a bug triggered by a set of conditions only found on ubuntu, that doesn't make it an ubuntu specific bug
[18:16] <joaopinto> ubuntu only = ubuntu patches :P
[18:17] <penguin42> joaopinto: Sure, different upstreams have different attitudes to you not trying on their pristine tree though and it can take quite a bit of experience to figure out exactly which upstread to report it to?
[18:18] <joaopinto> penguin42, not more time than you may take to find which package you need to report it to, which may not be correct unless you know how to debug the problem
[18:18] <penguin42> joaopinto: Well for example I have a problem with screenlock on hibernation (it doesn't)  - I haven't yet figured out who the hell is supposed to do that
[18:20] <penguin42> joaopinto: So it's not always easy to figure it out and assign it
[18:20] <joaopinto> penguin42, for complex bugs you are right
[18:21] <penguin42> which reminds me, I keep meaning to follow the whole hibernation process and write up a wiki page (unless anyone else knows one)
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> I find it easier to just never use/disable the feature. :)
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> It actually DOES seem to work on my netbook.. but im so used to it not working.. i rarely every try to use it
[18:21] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[18:21] <penguin42> it's worked mostly for ages for me - it's just little things like that which annoy me
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> when dual booting -  linux dont like it when windows hibernates/suspends and dosent unmount the ntfs drives. :) so i never use it under windows any more.. so its just a habbit i guess
[18:23] <BluesKaj> so the daemon is running but fails anyway   E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[18:24] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio daemon
[18:25] <penguin42> (actually that's a case in point - try reporting a pa bug upstream - you'll get roasted crispy I think)
[18:27] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[18:27] <elvirolo> i'm just testing kubuntu karmic, and it seems that knetworkmanager can't connect to wpa wifi networks
[18:28] <BluesKaj> !wicd | elvirolo
[18:28] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | elvirolo
[18:28] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: yes i'm using wicd right now
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:29] <BluesKaj> network manager seems to support wep only
[18:29] <elvirolo> it's just that ... do you think that knetworkmanager will get fixed eventually?
[18:29] <elvirolo> hmm
[18:29] <elvirolo> ok
[18:29] <BluesKaj> heh, don't hold your breath .
[18:30] <James147> I can connect fine to wpa useing kdenetworkmanager :s
[18:30] <elvirolo> James147: hmm strange
[18:30] <elvirolo> good for you though :)
[18:30] <elvirolo> i'll try again
[18:30] <James147> elvirolo: Are you useing wpa1 or 2?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> James147, are you sure it's wpa ?
[18:31] <elvirolo> James147: wpa2
[18:31] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: yup
[18:31] <James147> BluesKaj: yes, changed it from wep to wpa2 then back to wpa1 as my psp dosent support wpa2
[18:31] <James147> elvirolo: try it wil wpa1
[18:31] <James147> with ^^
[18:32] <BluesKaj> anyway I'm happy with wicd .. seems to have greater sensitivity than network manager
[18:34] <BluesKaj> I couldn't get a signal outside with kdenetwork manager ,once wicd was installed it went from 1% with kde to 35% with wicd on average
[18:35] <Twigathy> did it occur to you that they were using different scales? >_>
[18:35] <James147> BluesKaj: hmm, might try it sometime
[18:35] <votaguz> It's posible try Karmic without major problems ?
[18:35] <joaopinto> votaguz, to try yes, to use it for a production system, no
[18:36] <webbb82> after doing a update empathy doesnt minamize to the system tray like it use to any idea how to fix this
[18:36] <BluesKaj> votaguz, reads the intro message
[18:36] <votaguz> joaopinto: What means production system ?
[18:36] <BluesKaj>  Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system
[18:36] <joaopinto> votaguz, means a system which is never expected to be broken
[18:37] <votaguz> Ok No problem I'm going to try it :D
[18:37] <votaguz> Thanks
[18:42] <Xiol> Yo. Any suggestions on a text-based Bittorrent client, and also MSN client?
[18:42] <Twigathy> rtorrent for the bittorrent client
[18:42] <Twigathy> not sure about MSN
[18:55] <cov> How do I report/get this fixed? W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/libgfortran3_4.4.1-4ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80]
[18:55] <penguin42> cov: Do an apt-get update and try again
[18:56] <penguin42> cov: It's possible that a slightly newer version just got released and your indexes are a little old
[18:57] <cov> penguin42: that's it, thanks
[18:57] <cov> :)
[18:57] <penguin42> no prob
[18:58] <scream> Can I do a distribution upgrade without having to install from scratch?
[18:59] <penguin42> scream: Yes!
[19:00] <scream> I mean... Has it been you'alls experience that this is a pretty stable upgrade method?
[19:00] <scream> :)
[19:00] <Xiol> Better than doing a Windows upgrade ;)
[19:00] <penguin42> scream: Well it varies and remember karmic is still an alpha and it may break horribly for you
[19:00] <alankila> Last time I reinstalled must have been years ago on some boxes
[19:00] <alankila> my experience is that it generally works, except if you have problems you have to know how to debug them.
[19:01] <Xiol> Do you not find there is rot if you don't reinstall every so often? Like with old config files, etc.
[19:01] <alankila> the problems that arise are often something simple, like upgrade stopping abruptly because something like an expected daemon isn't actually running yet
[19:01] <penguin42> Xiol: Yeh - I end up with bugs that people who fresh install don't have
[19:01] <alankila> you have to know to restart the upgrade: if you reboot with apps in unconfigured states, the system is almost terminally broken until you can finish a dpkg --configure -a.
[19:02] <andresmh> anyone using Pidgin? what is the plugin/preference that tells Pidgin to show an OSD Notification when a new message arrives?
[19:02] <alankila> on an occasion I have nuked the .gnome* and .gconf* directories to force gnome to apply stock apps and settings due to problems as well... But as a rule, things like that are exceptional.
[19:03] <penguin42> andresmh: Hmm it's just done it for me
[19:03] <penguin42> andresmh: Ah, go to tools->plugins and enable libnotify popups
[19:04] <andresmh> penguin42, cool, let me check that...
[19:04] <andresmh> penguin42, I don't have that plugin, umm, is it in the repos?
[19:05] <andresmh> penguin42, I have one called "Message Notifications"
[19:05] <andresmh> is that the one?
[19:05] <penguin42> andresmh: Ah there's a package called pidgin-libnotify that I seem to have
[19:05] <andresmh> i thought I had it, let me check synaptic
[19:06] <andresmh> aha, it was not installed!
[19:07]  * andresmh installing pidgin-libnotify thanks to penguin42 
[19:10] <scream> I'm doing the upgrade.  IT tells me to close all application to prevent data loss.  I want to keep firefox open along with xchat... do you think this will be an issue?
[19:11] <alankila> scream: no. But generally firefox reacts poorly after the binaries have been updated. The xml interface files change, etc. often in incompatible ways.
[19:11] <alankila> but you just close it up and continue then
[19:11] <andresmh> penguin42, umm, it is still not showing up an OSD notification even after installing the piding-libnotify and enabling it in the Plugins section.
[19:19] <Twigathy> oh dear
[19:19] <Twigathy> "init: network-interface (lo) pre-start process (1336) terminated with status 1
[19:19] <Twigathy> ^ This can't be good :D
[19:23] <FloridaGuy> on mouse..like in screen saver window...xchat window...mouse isent working on clicks..i have to use tab key and enter key on keyboard
[19:24] <FloridaGuy> but on desktop the mose works
[19:28] <James147> y
[19:28] <James147> opps wrong window :)
[19:32] <FloridaGuy> anyone any idea's on what could me wrong with mouse....only place it works right on..is gnome menu...everywhere eles i have to use keyboard..?
[19:33] <FloridaGuy> plus no right click
[19:37] <nemo> FloridaGuy: huh. that's odd
[19:37] <nemo> detail?
[19:37] <nemo> FloridaGuy: what happens if you click elsewhere?
[19:39] <aboSamoor1> any updates regarding the boot performance it is still here 37+ seconds
[19:42] <nemo> aboSamoor1: what part of boot is slow for you?
[19:42] <nemo> aboSamoor1: have you made a boot graph?
[19:42] <nemo> or just watched it w/o splash?
[19:42] <aboSamoor1> nemo: I am using bootchart
[19:43] <Nq6> Pidgin and Empathy will be together in Ubuntu 9.10? I upgraded to Ubuntu and got both!
[19:44] <aboSamoor1> Nq6: this would be confusing
[19:45] <aboSamoor1> Nq6: empathy lacks features and pidgin is much better even in audio/video support
[19:46] <aboSamoor1> nemo: I just checked the last bootchart and it is more than one minute !
[19:47] <nemo> aboSamoor1: ... link to chart?
[19:47] <aboSamoor1> nemo: not related, but where can I upload the image ? no pasteimage !
[19:48] <Nq6> two will be included in Ubuntu 9.10? Pidgin and Empathy
[19:48] <nemo> aboSamoor1: apt-get apache? :-p
[19:48] <nemo> aboSamoor1: or an image host of course
[19:49] <aboSamoor1> nemo: http://imgur.com/Uaw47.png
[19:50] <afv> hi
[19:50] <milos_> can't copy some files from DVD(works on Windows). If I try to copy from command line, I get:Input/output error.  Against what should I report bug?
[19:51] <afv> my evince crashes when opening some pdfs..
[19:51] <afv> 0x00e153e9 in fetch_bilinear (pict=0x8c98850, x=246, y=474, width=47, buffer=0xb723abdc, mask=0xb723ac98, maskBits=4278190080) at ../../pixman/pixman-transformed.c:190 ....	../../pixman/pixman-transformed.c: No such file or directory.
[19:51] <Tronic> milos_: See dmesg for details first.
[19:51] <Tronic> milos_: If it is a movie DVD, it might be a copy protection that you are seeing.
[19:52] <Tronic> I've seen that in a bunch of rental DVDs.
[19:52] <milos_> Tronic: thnx, no it's my backup DVD :)
[19:52] <nemo> milos_: what did you burn it with?
[19:52] <Tronic> Still, see what it says in dmesg.
[19:52] <nemo> and, if the dvd is damaged, reading it could be random
[19:52] <nemo> dmesg would report that though
[19:52] <Tronic> I/O error alone is not very helpful.
[19:52] <Nq6> two will be included in Ubuntu 9.10? Pidgin and Empathy
[19:53] <milos_> Tronic: ok, I'll try it now.
[19:53] <alankila> hmmh. It appears that even with sreadahead system does little else than wait the disk
[19:53] <nemo> aboSamoor: wow. yeah. that chart is pretty insane
[19:53] <nemo> very abnormal
[19:53] <milos_> nemo: it can't be damaged because it copy every file in windows.
[19:54] <aboSamoor1> nemo: yeah, and I am suffering.
[19:54] <alankila> For the record I just booted my box and it took 30 seconds, but I don't have this chart.
[19:54] <nemo> aboSamoor1: looks like it might be related to mounting though
[19:54] <nemo> aboSamoor1: which could block a ton of other things
[19:55] <aboSamoor1> if anyone have problem with maximizing windows, check if maximus installed I just discovered that it makes my system crazy :)
[19:56] <alankila> it is also interesting that early in the boot, on the initramfs, there is a sleep
[19:56] <penguin42> alankila: They're normally to wait for devices that might take a few seconds to come along
[19:56] <alankila> it's probably to allow udev to launch properly as it seems to be a short sleep only
[20:01] <alankila> eww, sreadahead makes my head hurt.
[20:02] <aboSamoor1> nemo: what I can check regarding mounting ?
[20:03] <nemo> aboSamoor1: what mounts is it doing?
[20:03] <nemo> any odd devices?
[20:03] <nemo> aboSamoor1: anything in dmesg on mount issues?
[20:03] <nemo> NFS maybe?
[20:04] <nemo> aboSamoor1: dmesg, any output to console or logs from services...
[20:04] <nemo> the usual
[20:04] <aboSamoor1> nemo: my fstab http://pastebin.com/f440cec67
[20:06] <alankila> it seems that sreadahead is completely useless to me. It just regenerated the pack during last boot and it took about 30 seconds then to boot, and now that I tried it with updated sreadahead data it was the same.
[20:07] <alankila> but I think in my case it's postgresql that's hurting it. Something reads all zoneinfo files at startup and that's 628 files to bother with
[20:07] <penguin42> ouch
[20:07] <alankila> or well, some part of them... the /usr/share/zoneinfo has 1740 regular files
[20:08] <milos_> Tronic: here is the output of dmesg: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3965523c
[20:09] <blackest_knight> aint the new log on flashy  once you get out of the terminal coz x broke again on an upgrade
[20:11] <blackest_knight> is pulse fixed yet ?
[20:11] <Toast> #join #kubuntu
[20:11] <Toast> sorry
[20:12] <Toast> I updated my kubuntu 9.10 test machine today, and it no longer starts KDE. Is this a known problem?
[20:12] <James147> Toast: check if kwin is installed
[20:13] <afv> how do i report a bug from here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pixman
[20:13] <afv> i'm being always redirected to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs :|
[20:14] <blackest_knight> Toast: it could be a problomatic upgrade i'm more ubuntu than kubuntu and my x was broken for the last few hours
[20:15] <ali1234> afv: that page tells you how, if you read it
[20:15] <Toast> James147:  kwin is not installed.
[20:15] <afv> ali1234, "If for some reason you cannot file a bug through the Apport tool you can file one via Launchpad. ..."
[20:15] <blackest_knight> fixed now just kept plugging with the upgrades and it finally works
[20:15] <Toast> blackest_knight: is it working now?
[20:15] <Toast> ok
[20:15] <freenose> What's the name of pkg that contains ubuntu-bug?
[20:16] <ali1234> afv: yes, two sentences after that
[20:16] <blackest_knight> Toast: nvidia by any chance ?
[20:16] <Toast> blackest_knight:  intel
[20:16] <James147> Toast: then install it, hears others with that problem when upgrading
[20:16] <afv> ali1234, lol.. i read all but skipped that sentence.. thanks :p
[20:17] <Toast> ok... Will track down a network cable. I never understood why connecting the wireless network is done after the desktop loads, not before.
[20:19] <aboSamoor1> I still don't have the new login theme ? any idea ?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor1, condsider yourself lucky..no login page here :P
[20:21] <aboSamoor1> BluesKaj: yeah, I am lucky. I am using ubuntu ;)
[20:21] <BluesKaj> dunno if it has anything to do with the desktop environment
[20:21] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-media/+bug/324700 << Anyone have ideas on what more could be done about this?
[20:21] <andresmh_> I was told that the fact that Pidgin's windows for new messages show up on TOP of any other window are a problem with my windows manager. I am running the latest version of compiz on Karmic. Any ideas on what to do?  I tried setting  Focus Prevention Level to Off, Low, High and Super High.
[20:22] <aboSamoor1> BluesKaj: but what does that mean, my system is updated. now, if don't have login window this means that the updates messed the situation but nothing changed this seems weird
[20:22] <penguin42> andresmh_: Your lucky, mine always end up underneath all the others....
[20:22] <andresmh_> penguin42, hehe. switch computers? :P
[20:23] <bjsnider> andresmh, if you right-click on the titlebar, is 'always on top" checked?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor1, well, i don't have any audio and I had to renistall the nvidia driver from the tty in order to get X working
[20:24] <BluesKaj> this updating is going downhill fast :)
[20:26] <andresmh_> bjsnider, I right clicked on the title bar of the "Buddy List" and "always on top" is not checked.
[20:26] <bjsnider> what about on a conversation window?
[20:26] <andresmh_> bjsnider, yeah, it is also not checked.
[20:26] <simontol> Hi I'm on Kubuntu Karmic but after today's upgrade KDM won't start automatically at boot
[20:27] <bjsnider> andresmh_, are you using mutter, metacity, or compiz?
[20:27] <andresmh_> Compiz
[20:27] <simontol> logging in at tty and starting KDM with 'sudo kdm' works
[20:27] <bjsnider> try clearing your compiz rules to defaults
[20:27] <andresmh_> I think I am also using metacity, I am not sure on the relationship between metacity and compiz. I think metacity is in charge of the window decoration?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> simontol, heh well you still have your video drivers at least
[20:28] <bjsnider> andresmh_, is you switch over to mutter + gnome-shell, does the problem remain?
[20:28] <simontol> BluesKaj : yes.. I can start X ;-)
[20:29] <andresmh_> bjsnider, I am not sure how to switch over to that. Never heard of mutter :)
[20:29] <bjsnider> mutter is the new replacement for metacity
[20:29] <andresmh_> oh
[20:29] <bjsnider> metacity 3
[20:29] <andresmh_> if i go to Appearnce > Visual Effects > None, will that be switching to mutter+gnome?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> simontol, . i think I had some media kernel modules stripped in the latest updates
[20:30] <andresmh_> bjsnider, ^
[20:30] <bjsnider> no
[20:30] <Toast> Well, my problem is with KDM. It won't start. Starting KDE directly works fine. I'll leave it a couple of days and if it doesn't get better, I'll dig out the logs and file a bug.
[20:30] <andresmh_> oh
[20:30] <bjsnider> metacity is left in gnome 2.8 while mutter is an option
[20:30] <bjsnider> you need to switch to mutter, and while you're at it, to gbnome-shell
[20:30] <andresmh_> how do I switch?
[20:30] <bjsnider> might as well get used to it now, because it will be mandatory next time around
[20:31] <bjsnider> gnome-shell would be gbnome-shell --replace
[20:32] <bjsnider> mutter i forget now
[20:32] <andresmh_> so what is mutter in charge of? i am not sure i understadn what Gnome, Metacity, Compiz are in charge of. I just know Compiz has nice effects :)
[20:33] <penguin42> andresmh_: metacity and compiz are 'window managers' (although I think compiz does a bit more) - they place the windows on the desktop, animate movements of them, allow you to drag them around and select where to put them, draw title bars etc
[20:33] <penguin42> andresmh_: compiz does the pretty version if you have fancy 3D desktop effects, metacity does the plane version
[20:34] <andresmh_> and Gnome?
[20:34] <penguin42> andresmh_: It's just the name for the whole thing - I don't think there's an actual gnome program
[20:34] <andresmh_> so I cannot be using metacity AND compiz, it's either metacity or compiz?
[20:34] <arand> mutter is meant for the same thing as metacity and compiz right?
[20:34] <penguin42> andresmh_: It has lots of bits to it; like the gtk libraries, dbus messaging system and a whole bunch of stuff built on top; yeh it's metacity or compiz
[20:35] <penguin42> arand: I've not used mutter, but from the description of the package I'd say it's just another window manager
[20:36] <andresmh_> I'm sill not getting osd notifications on new pidgin messages :-/ even after installing pidgin-libnotify
[20:36] <penguin42> there are lots of them; things like fvwm, twm (yuch), kwin I think is KDE's
[20:36] <arand> Gnome is kind of a blanket term for desktop appearance -management -applications
[20:36] <penguin42> andresmh_: Yeh that I don't know why - I don't really know how that stuff works
[20:37] <andresmh_> I think I am going to ubuntu-bug pidgin this probelm. I've spent like 3hrs trying to figure this out.
[20:39] <andresmh_> penguin42, what do you have in Preferences > Interface > Conversation Window > Hide New IM conversations?
[20:39] <nacho> hi
[20:39] <andresmh_> hi nacho
[20:39] <nacho> do you guys know how to activate adium themes in empathy?
[20:39] <penguin42> andresmh_: 'Never'
[20:40] <nacho> or ins't it activated the webkit support in the build?
[20:40] <andresmh_> penguin42, I see.
[20:40] <andresmh_> I just disabled compiz and now the new message window does not pop up on top!
[20:40] <andresmh_> so it IS a compiz problem
[20:41] <penguin42> andresmh_: Maybe!
[20:41] <bjsnider> is the switch to the humanity icons permanent?
[20:41] <bjsnider> that would be cool
[20:41] <penguin42> andresmh_: Applications are supposed to ask the window manager to put windows in particular positions, but then the window manager can apply other rules as well - it's possible it's pidgin not getting the right instructions to the window manager; the two have to both play nicely
[20:48] <test34> I added "/etc/init.d/rc.firewall" to /etc/rc.local, but it doesn't get executed at boot (my iptables rules stay empty)  is this normal?  both /etc/rc.local and /etc/init.d/rc.firewall are set +x
[20:49] <test34> nevermind I think it's because I didn't include the absolute path
[20:53] <Tronic> milos_: Is the disc supposed to have around 4 GB of data on it?
[20:55] <Tronic> Hmm.. With DVD sector size of 2048, the limit is very close to 4 GiB and the position accessed is around 16 GB.
[20:56] <Tronic> milos_: Try mounting it as iso9660 instead of udf (which is the default when both filesystem are available). This sometimes solves such issues.
[20:56] <Tronic> Windows uses ISO-9660 by default, apparently.
[20:57] <ripps> Okay, apt-get and aptitude stopped working, I just get segfaults now
[20:58] <ripps> I even rebooted and the problem is still there, can someone help?
[20:59] <ripps> Also, apport seems to freeze while uploading too. What's going on?
[21:02] <ripps> backtrace shows that the problem might have do with libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.7
[21:02] <penguin42> ripps: Do you have an older version of the package that came from in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[21:04] <andresmh_> I decided to submit a bug to compiz about the problem with Pidgin's new message windows showing up on top. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/437344
[21:04] <ripps> penguin42: it comes from the apt package, correct? I can only find one version in my archives
[21:05] <penguin42> ripps: Hmm, I was just thinking if you had an older version you could try downgrading it with dpkg -i
[21:05] <ripps> penguin42: I have 0.7.21ubuntu1, what version do you have?
[21:06] <penguin42> same here
[21:06] <draconis> is it just me, or is keyserver.ubuntu.com down
[21:06] <draconis> how can I add a key if the server is down
[21:07] <yofel> draconis: I managed to get a key from it yesterday after a dozen timeouts...
[21:07] <draconis> alternatively, how can I cause apt-get to ignore missing keys on a PPA repository
[21:07] <ripps> penguin42: I reinstall apt using dpkg, and aptitude seems to work again!
[21:07] <ripps> some file must have been corrupted
[21:07] <penguin42> ripps: Hmmm that really shouldn't happen; a memtest probably wouldn't be a bad thing
[21:07] <draconis> yofel: is there a way to just ignore it without getting yelled at by apt-get?
[21:08] <yofel> not that i know of, but I'm no apt expert
[21:09] <draconis> well, I guess I'll ask on #debian
[21:09] <akio> I have an issue where the backlight fades in and out rapidly.
[21:09] <ripps> draconis: everybody seems to be having trouble with keyserver.ubuntu.com, use keys.gnupg.net instead, it shares almost all the same keys
[21:09] <draconis> ripps: oh, cool
[21:09] <akio> Only at startup, can be fixed by switching to a VT and then back to X.
[21:09] <draconis> well keyserver finally responded
[21:10]  * yofel makes a note of keys.gnupg.net
[21:10] <draconis> but thanks, I'll definitely note that
[21:11] <draconis> by the way, I noticed the gdm-2.10 desktop manager breaks when trying to start
[21:11] <commander_> i want ot sync my blackberry with ubuntu any ideas?
[21:11] <akio> What would be the culprit on my issue? APM ACPI intel video drivers?
[21:11] <penguin42> commander_: I know there is a program called barry
[21:11] <penguin42> commander_: I've not tried it, but I think other things now hook into it
[21:12] <draconis> it takes a while, but it displays a vague message about "vesa driver" ... wait.. I'm not using any vesa driver. It looks like it's reading Xorg.conf incorrectly
[21:12] <akio> commander_, look for syncML
[21:12] <commander_> can i do it via BT(bluetooth)?
[21:13] <ripps> Does usplash work for anybody else, mine hasn't worked in weeks, even after I reinstalled my system.
[21:13] <arand> ripps: You mean you never see it, yea, I get some boot messages instead also.
[21:14] <ripps> arand: exactly
[21:14] <draconis> I thought usplash was disabled on purpose for Karmic
[21:15] <arand> Xsplash stays up a long while... which is kinda annoying since it has no progress indication...
[21:16] <test34> at boot I get lots of errors like this: http://pastie.org/631838, but everything seems to work fine... any idea what's going on ?
[21:17] <ripps> arand: that one of the things that kinda bug me. Yeah, ubuntu managed to get the system to startup to gdm much faster, but the real world boot up time hasn't changed much, instead of loading slower at boot and then having everything ready to go at gdm, it's pushed all the loading to take place after X has loaded.
[21:18] <commander_> ok i downloaded it but where is it?
[21:19] <test34> ripps, which is a bad thing I think.. if you walk away from the computer while it boots, you'd expect it to be almost done when you come back (just login)
[21:19] <DanaG> grr, stupid dvd drive.... or rather, stupid HAL.
[21:19] <draconis> ripps: well, it seems to boot incredibly fast on multicore
[21:19] <DanaG> I press the eject button on the drive, and it just IGNORES me.
[21:19] <draconis> DanaG: hal's gone. curse at devkit now
[21:20] <test34> DanaG, unmount maybe?
[21:20]  * Twigathy is currently doing a Netboot install in a VM so he can see if this NFS root fail is because of his dodgey setup or because udev hates him c_c
[21:20] <draconis> well, hal was /supposed/ to be removed, but for some reason it's still running
[21:20] <DanaG> ugh, devkit is  not smart enough to understand how to unmount the thing automatically before ejecting it.
[21:20] <ripps> test34: I think most of the usb device stuff can be ignored, I get that too, but I doesn't seem to affect anything. If it really concerns you, file a bug report on it.
[21:20] <DanaG> Try ejecting a cd drive (top-level) using palimpsest.
[21:22] <milos_> Tronic: DVD is mounted as iso9660 automaticaly. Here is the output of 'mount | grep cdrom': /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,utf8,user=milos)
[21:22] <ripps> draconis: well, I have a single core, so it seems that boot has been setup to load several things simultaneously, even after X has started, but since I have a single-threaded processor, it doesn't make any realtime difference between boot and desktop
[21:23] <draconis> ripps: but no, boot time won't be significantly faster. do you know of any way to speed it up that Ubuntu's not doing?
[21:24] <draconis> writing all the init scripts in asm isn't an option :P
[21:24] <ripps> draconis: no, it just seems superficial to me....
[21:24] <test34> ripps, what program would you associate this bug with ?
[21:25] <ripps> test34: well, it seems to be logs coming from the kernel, so I'd start with just linux or linux-image and see where it goes from there
[21:25] <test34> ok thanks ripps
[21:28] <ripps> I thought they were going to rename 'software store' to 'software center' in the US and GB
[21:31] <penguin42> Anyone any good with dbus ?
[21:31] <penguin42> dbus-send in particular?
[21:32] <ripps> penguin42: what are you trying to do?
[21:33] <penguin42> ripps: I'm trying to read the daemon/AutomaticLoginEnable value from DisplayManager
[21:33]  * penguin42 is following the hibernate code that doesn't lock screen for me in Karmic and trying to replicate bits
[21:33] <draconis> the gnome guys really trashed GDM
[21:34] <penguin42> but I can't seem to figure out the dbus-send magic to do that read
[21:34] <ripps> I think they readded gdmsetup, but It's seems to freeze whenever I try to unlock. I guess it has broken polkit
[21:35] <penguin42> ripps: Oh locking works for me, unlocking even works - it just doesn't lock during hibernate
[21:35] <draconis> how could they readd gdmsetup?
[21:35] <draconis> the configuration is far different and very limited
[21:36] <ripps> oh, mine works today... guess my system was just being weird that day
[21:36] <penguin42> draconis: They're switching it so gdm runs as a normal user session so in principal you can change all the things you can as a normal user
[21:36] <penguin42> draconis: It's quite a change though
[21:45] <penguin42> can someone try: dbus-send --system --dest=org.gnome.DisplayManager --type=method_call --print-reply --reply-timeout=20000 /org/gnome/DisplayManager/Settings org.gnome.DisplayManager.Settings.GetValue string:"daemon/AutomaticLoginEnable"        and tell me what they get back?
[21:45] <Amaranth> penguin42: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.GdmSettingsBackendError.Code1: Key not found
[21:46] <penguin42> thanks
[21:46] <penguin42> thats the same as I get - I wonder how I'm supposed to do that
[21:48] <dto> what do people suggest for ripping a DVD i own into an MPEG4 video file so that i can play it on my Walkman?
[21:48] <akio> ffmpeg
[21:52] <ripps> Is there a dbus gui or something, It's kinda hard to understand dbus without somekind of visual interpretation
[21:53] <malnilion> Probably a silly question, but is there an easy way to disable xsplash after login via gdm?
[21:54] <MTecknology> So - I'm trying to do a chroot but it's giving me chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[21:54] <MTecknology> I tried to do 'chroot /mnt/sys /bin/bash'
[21:56] <penguin42> that should work - assuming /bin/bash is a sane binary
[21:56] <penguin42> MTecknology: try  file /mnt/sys/bin/bash
[21:56] <guntbert> MTecknology: 32/64bit mismatch?
[21:56] <MTecknology> /mnt/gentoo/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
[21:57] <penguin42> MTecknology: Now try that on /bin/bash
[21:57] <MTecknology> btw - I'm trying to mount gentoo from an ubuntu live cd
[21:57] <MTecknology> OH!
[21:57] <MTecknology> I used the 32bit cd
[21:57] <MTecknology> makes perfect sense now :P
[21:58] <Amaranth> penguin42: That's how indicator-session does it, btw
[21:59] <penguin42> Amaranth: That's my problem - I'm trying to follow the code in indicator-session which is refusing to lock screen on hibernate and the most obvious reason would be if it though gdm auto login was set
[21:59] <penguin42> Amaranth: In that case why do we get the error key not found?
[21:59] <Amaranth> penguin42: sprinkle the indicator-session code with printf and check .xsession-errors for the output
[22:00] <penguin42> Amaranth: Is that just because the key isn't set it's not auto login?
[22:01] <Amaranth> penguin42: If indicator-session fails to get an answer it defaults to gdm_auto_login = FALSE so...
[22:03] <penguin42> Amaranth: Hmm OK, I'd kind of expected that flag to have just been set to false to be returned by the session manager
[22:04] <Amaranth> penguin42: Have you played with d-feet?
[22:04] <penguin42> what's that?
[22:04] <Amaranth> lets you poke at dbus
[22:04] <Amaranth> via GUI
[22:04] <dto> how do I get dvd decryption support? with arista i get libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[22:04] <penguin42> Amaranth: Oooh
[22:05] <commander_> hey on Barry they say u need to use evolution but what if u use thunderbird to sync ?
[22:05] <Amaranth> dto: sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[22:05] <commander_> thunderbird is my default email client
[22:05] <Amaranth> On Barry?
[22:05] <penguin42> commander_: Again, I've not used it but I think it can be used by opensync
[22:05] <dto> thanks :)
[22:06] <commander_> ok well Pocketlabs is coming out with a alternative to barry but it in beta
[22:07] <cdm10> pidgin back?
[22:08] <Amaranth> no
[22:08] <Amaranth> packaging bug
[22:08] <cdm10> thought so :)
[22:09] <penguin42> Amaranth: So if I want the system bus what do I put in for the connect?
[22:09] <penguin42> Amaranth: Do
[22:09] <Amaranth> penguin42: cancel that, click on the file menu
[22:09] <penguin42> Amaranth: Yeh just found it
[22:13] <penguin42> Amaranth: That's pretty (it fusses and gives load of warnings and stuff) - but nice to dig around in
[22:14] <penguin42> Amaranth: I don't suppose there is a preload/ltrace like thing for watching the dbus calls an app is making (or env variable to turn on some debug?)
[22:25] <draconis> KDE has decided to start fading my screen to black
[22:25] <draconis> when I log in, if compositing is enabled I never see anything. sometimes i see a glimpse of a desktop with compositing disabled
[22:29] <markit> hi, kubuntu karmic, alpha5 installed and upgraded to alpha6, then rebooted. I don't have a graphical login, I have to login "textual" and then issue $ startx
[22:29] <markit> any clue? I've done a reconfigure kdm, but nothing so far
[22:33] <SandGorgon> which ethernet driver should I use for Broadcom 4401 - i'm compiling a custom kernel and I see that bcm4400 was not used on my stock kernel - anyone have an idea ?
[22:39] <malnilion> Is there a way to install/configure gdm to look like this: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/karmic-gdm-design.html yet or is this just how it's going to look at a later date?
[22:45] <penguin42> Grr - don't you hate it when bugs disappear as you are trying to debug them?
[22:46] <guntbert> penguin42: don't worry, it will reappear ;-)
[22:46] <penguin42> guntbert: Yeh - after I've forgotten where I was looking for it!
[22:47] <virtuald> No doubt
[22:48] <penguin42> still, it's an interesting trip through the land of dbus
[22:48] <guntbert> penguin42: not necessarily - it may wait till you changed something completely different
[22:48] <penguin42> yeh sneek back up on me while I'm not looking
[22:49] <Jaymac> markit - you don't have to do that
[22:50] <Jaymac> markit, just hit alt+f6
[22:50] <Jaymac> i have the same issue
[22:55] <penguin42> it looks like a fix for my bug got in by an update I pulled in earlier today - I've had this bug for months and it's one of those things it gets fixed on the same day I try and look at it
[22:56] <o_portista17> i can't change the codification of the Amsn, in Options > 2º tab > Chose Codification, because there are all Deactivated, and i can't activate them...
[23:06] <markit> Jaymac: but you have to do so every boot? btw, I'm trying to install directly alpha6 now, can't test your suggestion
[23:07] <markit> btw, installer of alpha6 does not have anymore the textbox where you can test the keyboard, so bad
[23:07] <Jaymac> markit - yeah i'm having to - any button press takes me to a terminal logon prompt
[23:08] <Jaymac> so i hit alt + f6
[23:08] <Jaymac> markit - let me know if a clean install works - i installed alpha 5 and have been upgrading
[23:09] <markit> Jaymac: sure, I first try to reboot with "pure" alpha6, and then do an update/upgrade (well, I do a dist-upgrade)
[23:10] <markit> Jaymac: I've rebooted alpha6 ("pure") and I've a graphical login now
[23:10] <Jaymac> ok
[23:10] <markit> btw, 2 problems so far
[23:10] <markit> 1) after install the reboot stops needing a fdisk, because it finds itself "in the past" respect last mount
[23:11] <markit> 2) I've forgot what was point 2... sigh
[23:11] <markit> ah,yes, grub does not show other OS (I've M$crap in sda1)
[23:12] <markit> you have to do something then it recongnizes.. usually the dist-upgrade does
[23:13] <markit> priblems about signing key with aptitude update, I'm so tired of this karmic problem :(
[23:16] <markit> Jaymac: mmm upgrade requires 278 packages to be upgraded, let's cross our fingers
[23:18] <Jaymac> markit, good luck :)
[23:19] <markit> I would prefer doing through ssh, with kdm switched off, but let's be risky ;)
[23:25] <joaopinto> markit, for the lack of other OS grub problem you will need to install os-prober and re-run update-grub
[23:25] <joaopinto> for 1), the upgrades fix it
[23:26] <SKB> guys, how to edit time settings? 0o
[23:33] <markit> Jaymac: after an upgrade, I've NO MORE graphical login :(
[23:33] <Jaymac> weird
[23:33] <markit> joaopinto: thanks, after the update "missing" os have shown again
[23:34] <markit> anyone able to explain this problem?
[23:34] <ali1234> kde?
[23:34] <markit> yes, kde4
[23:34] <ali1234> known bug, being fixed as we speak
[23:35] <markit> ali1234: oh, so I could "resist" some days and have it fixed, or is a config fix that I could "fix myself"?
[23:35] <ali1234> i think you can start kdm manually
[23:36] <markit> ali1234: sure, but is a laptop of a gal friend of mine... no very "teckye"
[23:36] <Jaymac> markit, oh yours is a kde problem?
[23:36] <markit> techie
[23:36] <Jaymac> markit, i'm getting the same issue on gdm
[23:36] <ali1234> i'm not sure of a proper fix. none techie shouldn't be using karmic yet :P
[23:36] <joaopinto> markit, installing karmic on a friend's laptop is not a good idea
[23:36] <Jaymac> someone suggested it was something to do with the package linux-image-generic
[23:37] <markit> Jaymac: yes, kde, I cited "kubuntu" distro at the beginning :)
[23:37] <Jaymac> markit, i wasn't around then ;)
[23:38] <markit> Jaymac: if you get the same issue in gdm, maybe is not kde related but probably will be fixed even sooner
[23:38] <Jaymac> markit - google reveals a few others have the issue too
[23:38] <Jaymac> trying to find a bug report in lp
[23:39] <markit> mmm also sound broke :( "pure" alpha6 works much better than an uptodated one
[23:39] <markit> so strange
[23:40] <markit> maybe is a small bug affecting multiple things
[23:40] <penguin42> markit: What you seeing?
[23:40] <markit> penguin42: sorry,m what do you mean?
[23:40] <penguin42> markit: Are you just landing at a text login?
[23:40] <markit> penguin42: exactly, then I have to $ startx
[23:40] <penguin42> markit: Oh, and doing startx works?
[23:41] <markit> sure
[23:41] <penguin42> oh OK, haven't seen anyone else have that on here
[23:41] <markit> penguin42: do you have alpha5 or 6 upgraded to the latest of today?
[23:41] <penguin42> markit: Yes
[23:43] <markit> I try older kernel now (2.6.31-10 instead of -11) let's see
[23:43] <markit> lets
[23:44] <markit> urg, does not boot! strange
[23:44] <Jaymac> i think this is us: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/430494
[23:45] <Jaymac> in the comments some people can start gdm by startx, others by restarting it or alt+f6/f7
[23:45] <markit> Jaymac: upstart could affect kdm also, sure
[23:46] <markit> wondering what is the sound problem, hope is related also
[23:46] <Jaymac> what's your issue with sound? mine didn't work out of the box, but it was just a case of fiddling with a few outputs
[23:47] <markit> Jaymac: booting with pure alpha6 works fine, after upgrade does not anymore, nor kmix is displayed
[23:47] <markit> lsmod shows snd modules loaded though
[23:47] <markit> and alsamixer seems ok
[23:48] <Jaymac> output of aplay -l ok?
[23:51] <cowbud> anyone else have the problem of amarok not playing sound?
[23:52] <cowbud> oh snap it is mp3s what library am I missing for phonon to play that trash?
[23:54] <cowbud> oh that's annoying
[23:54] <cowbud> libxine-all-plugins wasn't installed
[23:55] <cowbud> that fixed that problem, yay
[23:56] <cowbud> I thought there were hooks to suggest things like that?