[08:06] kwwii: wohoo! figured out how to make Dust use the monochrome icons too ;) [08:22] Hello all _o/ [09:10] mac_v: ? [09:11] kwwii: it turns out that for the network icons! we just made symlinks rather than icons for the apps! duh! > and there is a solution for the volume applet , [09:11] kwwii: DanRabbit has done a theme , eGTk , which assigns the panel icons for the panel alone [09:11] this depends on the stock icons [09:12] kwwii: > so all we need to do i add the panel.rc to the dust theme , and we are good to go for the volume [09:13] now only the only blocker is the bluetooth! [09:16] mac_v: killer...but that does not solved the problems of them begin too light, or? [09:17] kwwii: the light/dark shade , i'm fixing... what i meant to say is , we dont have to remove the icons and use the gnome ones as the fallback [09:17] we could just have 2 themes , for light and for dark panels [09:18] mac_v: ok, now I get it...cool, good work :) [09:19] :) [09:51] * kwwii is out for a while...be back much later [14:05] kwwii: when you have the time check out the latest rev of the Humanity icons , they are darker now... [14:06] and i'v reduced the file sizes of those greyscale icons to 243kb [14:30] mac_v: where? [14:30] mac_v: I am going out with my son for a while, but I will be back in a couple of hours and doing some work then [14:30] sure no hurry ;) [14:38] when testing> $bzr branch lp:humanity [14:49] i [14:49] hi [16:39] re [16:39] * ckontros waves. [16:40] hey ckontros [16:40] #785F52 fits much better with the new karmic wallpaper....ideas anyone? [16:41] for the selection bg color, I mean [16:41] * ckontros is gonna test Karmic today. [16:41] kwwii, haven't tested it out quite much yet, but the new icons are pretty nice [16:41] psyke83 might be more interested in that than anyone [16:41] andreasn: yeah, much more modern [16:42] although in a month or so we will start making a new icon theme from what I understand [16:42] ok [16:42] oh well, it seems like I start the computer and 5s later my wife asks me to do something [16:43] :p [16:43] will the new set be very different from the current one? [16:44] * ckontros thinks Breathe could use some paid help but that's a dream. :P [16:46] kwwii: what is the icon label for the lock over the wireless > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32489762/Screenshot-1.png [16:46] i made an odd symlink :/ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32489702/Screenshot.png [16:47] andreasn: any ideas ^ ? [16:47] icon label? the name of the file? [16:47] yeah === mac__v is now known as mac_v [16:49] hm, where are these now again [16:49] * andreasn looks [16:54] andreasn: found it! > /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-secure-lock.png [16:54] damn! [16:54] oh [16:54] hehe , that would have pissed of a lot of folks! [17:00] andreasn: i found it using this neat little app > https://code.launchpad.net/icon-library [17:00] pretty useful ;) [17:00] cool, I better check that out [17:02] lol , i made that wrong link thinking the lock was for something else ... [17:18] ping mac_v [17:18] d6g: hei, does it work correctly now ;) [17:19] yeah, it is fine [17:20] d6g: do you have a screenshot of the current rev? [17:20] but i have this weired AP on my list which has two icons, and in gnome icon theme, they are different, but now with the latest humanity they look similar [17:20] wait a sec [17:26] http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/346/screenshotvg.png [17:26] here is a comparision between the current humanity and gnome [17:27] uh-oh [17:27] d6g: the similar icon? [17:27] looks like it wasn't such a good idea to use the same icon ;) [17:27] we change the color a bit ;p [17:27] yeah, i noticed the color is slightly different [17:28] I guess i have to what the icon on the left means before i can tell if such small difference is too subtle [17:28] DanRabbit: asac told that they wanted people to use similar icons for the panel and the tab , [17:28] it makes it easier for recognizing the item [17:29] yes, only it gives this problem ;) [17:29] d6g: what is the color icon for? [17:30] mac_v: yeah, that's waht i don't know [17:31] d6g: the color icons are supposed to appear on the editor tabs , we dont want to use the greyscale icon there... could you pls do another screenshot of the editor menu? [17:32] this may be a bug in the network manager [17:32] http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1466/screenshotnetworkconnec.png [17:32] Why would it show an extra icon to declare that connection is wireless? [17:33] ^^ this is also what I'm curious [17:33] d6g: is it a previously connected network? [17:33] no [17:33] hrm... [17:34] ask asac? [17:34] DanRabbit: hehe , he just left a few mins ago [17:34] half hr [17:34] btw, the "lock" icon on the menu means encrypted, on the panel it means VPN used, could this also cause somewhat confusion? [17:35] DanRabbit: why would it be a problem if we have color icons in the drop down menu? [17:37] d6g: both are locks... previously the vpn lock was below , since it was in color... now there is no space below :( [17:38] DanRabbit: maybe an icon of a shield? [17:38] for encrypted [17:39] understood, it's fine by me, just think maybe there could be something else representing VPN [17:39] d6g: you are right [17:40] hmm [17:40] Well, it seems everything else in the dropdown is monochrome [17:40] so, I think we should try to keep that consistency if possible [17:41] DanRabbit: that is not possible :( , then the tabs will be monochrome :/ [17:41] mac_v: Looks like you're gettin' a better understanding of some of these newer icon uses. (panel ones and all) If you could shoot me off an email with some of you latest tips that Breathe could use for better sopport that would be great. [17:42] ckontros: hehe , actually i make bobo's and then realize what the icon is for ;p [17:42] ah bummer :( [17:42] but sure [17:42] ckontros: ^ [17:42] mac_v: Don't we all? :) [17:42] mac_v: just using iwlist to find out the AP that has two icons is with mode "ad-hoc", all others are "master" [17:43] d6g: what is ad-hoc ? [17:44] not sure, guess its a mode to create an AP? [17:44] i made the simlink.. and to a color icon... is thats the color icon [17:44] symlink* [17:46] I suppose that one uses nm-adhoc.svg [17:46] adhoc is a type of wireless networking [17:46] DanRabbit: what type ? [17:47] any features? [17:47] like peer-to-peer, iirc [17:47] yea, I think so too [17:48] AFAIK, it's something that you can do without having to have a router [17:48] d6g: DanRabbit: oh... then i think the color would make better sense , to differentiate it from the others [17:48] I'll brb. trying to spend some time with my gf, she's getting jealous of the computer ;) [17:49] mac_v: if nm-adhoc.svg is not used elsewhere, maybe it can also be re-designed to be more expressive about "adhoc" [17:50] and i agree that it should be distinguishable from the wirless ap icon [17:50] d6g: could you file a bug... right now i would say it is not top priority... but we could fix it before release [17:51] i might forget if there is no bug ;) [17:51] sure [18:00] hey kids..my wife is keeping me busy this weekend it seems, sorry [18:00] mac_v, DanRabbit: if you feel like you've have a good solution ready for testing in the distro, send it to me per email [18:01] or put it in bzr and let me know where and when ;) [18:01] mac_v: there will only be major bug fixes from now on...no more time ;( [18:02] kwwii: yup... [18:02] kwwii: also... the network editor will now have color icons... only one icon will be grey scale in the network editor tab , the wired one... that is because it uses the same icon for the panel and the editor tab[network-device-wired]... i spoke to asac he agreed that [18:02] the panel needs to use a different label [18:03] since it is for a state indicato [18:03] indicator* [18:04] he said that he would talk to upstream and try to use a different label [18:05] kwwii: if you mention it to him once again on monday , to use the "network-wired" icon instead of the "network-device-wired" icon , it would be great === d6g is now known as d6g|away [20:16] d6g|away: hmm... i added a stock icon i had for the adhoc.. ;) could you check if it works now [20:20] hello / bonsoir [20:20] my third daughter is born today im quite happy :o) [20:21] congratulations!! [20:21] thank you [20:25] zniavre: congratulations ... :) [20:26] :o) thank you too [20:33] congrats zniavre [20:33] congratulations zniavre [20:33] hello thorwil [20:33] hi knome [20:34] thank you all of you :O) [20:49] félicitations zniavre :) [20:49] (and, wtf are you doing on irc then ? :P) [20:50] well you know, small children cry and whine a lot [20:50] ;) [20:52] tall ones too :P [21:00] yeah [21:02] they (mother and baby) are sleeping [21:02] merci SiDi [21:08] kwwii: solved!... the problem of apps using the icons! [21:08] now we dont have to worry about the greyscale icons showing up in the apps [21:31] hi guys. I just created a new preferences system icon. Check it out [21:32] hi jonian_g [21:32] dont expect people to search trough the whole internet for an icon :P [21:33] it's on humanity icons bzr branch [21:34] sorry. I had to mention first that I'm one of the developers of humanity icons [21:35] there is the link http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eelementaryart/humanity/Humanity/annotate/head%3A/categories/48/preferences-system.svg [21:37] hm [21:37] i like the idea, but doesnt the toolbox look too sharp on the edges for humanity ? [21:38] I'll see what I can do [21:43] jonian_g: what does it look like in smaller sizes? [21:44] I haven't created the small sizes, but I'm sure it will look good [21:44] If everyone likes it I'll do the smaller sizes [21:45] I'm not sure about it [21:45] ... I just uploaded a little modified version (colors) [21:45] I like the toolbox [21:45] but, it seems to be kind of ambiguous [21:47] Dan, I'm not a native english speaker, please explain me what ambiguous is [21:49] i think it doesnt look in the right place [21:49] because its too sharp compared to the other icons [21:49] i think thats what DanRabbit means by ambiguous too ? :P [21:50] it means that you can't really tell for sure what it is in all cases [21:50] you really don't know what's in the box [21:50] @SiDi: did you saw the second one that I uploaded? [21:50] it could be anything ;) [21:50] jonian_g: i didnt [21:50] DanRabbit: its a box with kittens ? [21:51] :) [21:52] @DanRabbit: Yea... But the screwdriver doesn't look right too (as I told you before). The only thing that a screwdriver can do to a gear is, jam it. [21:52] hehe [21:52] I didn't say it was the correct solution, already [21:53] I just said that it wouldn't make any sense to replace it with another incorrect solution ;) [21:53] you're right [21:53] jonian_g: hi... ;) [21:54] i think the system prefs icon really bugs you :) [21:54] Also the other tools that can be used to fix a gear are not easily recognizable, so it's a bit of a problem [21:54] hi mac_v [21:55] BTW same as what DanRabbit says , the toolbox , can be mistaken in different cultures :( [21:55] yep, it's the only one that bugs me [21:55] it looks good though :) [21:56] mac_v:thanks [21:58] jonian_g: for time being we still have other icons that can be finished , so i think we can concentrate on completing the set and if we have new ideas we can come back to this [21:58] i still dont like the color being orange :( , the whole UNR menu looks jaundiced [21:59] Also, what do you guys think about the desktop-preferences icon. It is very good but it is a bit macish [21:59] yeah , my thoughts too^ [21:59] jonian_g: DanRabbit : i'm thinking maybe we can change the screwdriver the color to red [22:00] not a bad idea [22:00] Yea, I was thinking that too [22:00] I like that idea :D [22:00] ;) [22:00] So the toolbox is out? [22:01] jonian_g: yup , maybe we can use it for some other icon [22:01] the toolbox alone [22:02] DanRabbit: jonian_g: or... we can place a screwdriver outside the toolbox and use it for the desktop prefs? [22:02] Eh [22:02] I don't know [22:02] hehe ;p just an idea [22:03] maybe we can use for gconf-editor and the current for gconf-editor for preferences [22:03] I think we should concentrate on the idea of "Local" or "User" Prefs versus "System" prefs [22:03] I don't think those ideas are clear enough [22:03] there is a reason the menus are separated, you know ;) [22:04] good point [22:04] I mean, use the same icon for preferences as the human icon theme uses [22:10] jonian_g: why is the database icon now purple? [22:12] in human icon set: impress(orange), spreadsheet(green), word proccessor(blue), database(purple) [22:12] Yea, but it looks weird [22:12] ah , nice catch! [22:12] maybe it was to help people differentiate the on quick look, so I tjought it was good to keep that [22:13] just now i'm noticing , it was better being chrome colored [22:13] I agree [22:13] these are also the colors used in ms office. So it helps people that are used to that office suite [22:13] I suppose, but I don't think we should change the color of real objects just to match other [22:14] yep I think that too [22:14] but I thought that whoever did it in human icons did it for a good reason [22:14] eh [22:14] don't worry about Human icons [22:14] we just replaced Human [22:14] ;p [22:14] so, that says something ;) [22:15] ;) [22:15] not to say Human isn't a good reference point [22:15] no problem take it back to silver [22:15] ;) [22:16] it is a good reference point, but the bat is that it is strongly connected to ubuntu [22:16] bad [22:17] so we have to stay close to human (a bit restrictive) [22:18] In a sense [22:18] but, I think what has led to our success so far is that we have moved away from Human [22:18] If we simply cloned Human, there would be no motivation for switching [22:19] +1 [22:32] jonian_g: what icons are you working on right now? [22:32] (breaking an app's branding to mimic its main opponent's one is really not a polite thing to do, imo) [22:35] SiDi: huh? [22:35] i dont think any one wants to break branding [22:36] mac_v: its my interpretation of changing an app's icon [22:37] :p [22:37] SiDi: which icon? did miss something! damn net split [22:38] mac_v: jonian_g said the ooo database icon was purple in human, and that the ms office one had that color too [22:38] so apparently the color of the original icon was changed to match ms office's [22:39] oh , that [22:39] :/ [22:45] @SiDi: those icons were there since 8.10. Now you noticed it? [22:47] mac_v: I'm trying to finish the icons in preferences and administration [22:48] jonian_g: SiDi uses Xubuntu ;) [22:48] so he wouldnt have noticed [22:48] jonian_g: i dont use openoffice database AT ALL :) [22:48] when i need word processing i use latex [22:49] when i need databases i use mysql or oracle :P [22:49] also with a quick look at OpenOffice original icons the same colors are used [22:49] then who said the original color was silver ? :P [22:49] cause i just said crap cause of that person :P [22:49] the original of the database icon [22:50] SiDi: it was not crap. It is a valid objection. [22:59] nice battery Dan [23:02] ty [23:02] it needs polish [23:08] jonian_g: mac_v brought up a good point that it looks too much like Duracell [23:08] yep [23:08] So, feel free to experiment [23:08] I don't see anything bad in that [23:09] I don't know. It might be a bad legal move [23:09] my objection is that it looks very realistic, which is not the case with the other icons [23:09] yea... it looks more elementary style [23:10] hmm [23:11] maybe more saturation? [23:14] DanRabbit: wtf ! > Bug 437379 [23:14] Launchpad bug 437379 in humanity "Ubuntu icon doesnt look good in humanity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437379 [23:15] Yea, it's a little thick [23:15] I can agree with that [23:15] there was a bug in human theme saying humanity is better , do it in humanity style [23:15] lol [23:16] silly one [23:16] mac_v, you can't expect people to actually agree or know what they want [23:16] :D [23:16] mac_v: link? [23:16] invalid? [23:16] won't fix...it is a design decision [23:17] hi, just got back [23:17] hi kwwii [23:17] hi DanRabbit [23:18] kwwii: i'm figured it out for the volume and the network applet to not leak the greyscale icons into the apps \o/ [23:18] i'v* [23:18] mac_v, DanRabbit: I do think that the outline of the logo icon is too thick...just a bit, but enough === BHSPitLappy_ is now known as BHSPitLappy [23:19] kwwii: do you think anyone would explode if we made it monochrome? [23:19] compare that icon to the firefox icon [23:19] DanRabbit: well, I would like to see a version like that first [23:19] but I am guessing that changing the color is bad [23:19] It's been something I was thinking on [23:19] kwwii: DanRabbit: Bug #411972 human > humanity ;P [23:19] Launchpad bug 411972 in hundredpapercuts "Human theme's Ubuntu icon uses older style" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411972 [23:20] the elementary distributor logo has been monochrome for a while, and it's actually very sexy ;) [23:20] the line helps define the icon [23:21] so I agree with that, but it needs to be a bit lighter at some places [23:21] but anyway [23:21] kwwii: when you asked link? was it for the bug or for the latest rev? [23:21] humanity* [23:21] mac_v: what is the solution for the panel notification area icons? [23:22] mac_v: do you have packaged versions in bzr/lp now? [23:22] package ... no [23:22] but bzr yes [23:22] why not just take the packaged version and put it in your bzr? [23:22] it would make things much easier [23:23] but anyway [23:23] I say that a lot these days [23:23] kwwii: hehe , i just figured it out... i think the a few color icons need a bit of a tweak [23:24] i think that a few* [23:24] mac_v: in which theme? [23:24] humanity's [23:24] * DanRabbit ---> work [23:24] cool [23:24] bye [23:24] bye [23:26] kwwii: the solution was in the end simple! figuring it out was the irritating part :( ... the panel uses icons from a certain size , the smaller sizes are used in the apps [23:27] and each icon depends on different size :/ [23:27] yes, I know ;) [23:27] but the panel itself can have a different theme, or? [23:28] no need differnt theme , we just make the icons the panel uses in greyscale and let the rest be color [23:28] for ubuntu^ [23:28] mac_v: yes, but the current version is too light for the light panel [23:28] and in UNR that won't work either...it has a dark panel [23:28] that i have darkened [23:29] ok, so how does it work with UNR? [23:29] we might try adding a light outside pixel to it [23:29] kinda like a glow [23:29] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25779/screenshot_005_x20lS9.png [23:29] it would almost unnoticable on a light bg [23:29] kwwii: that was how it was first done [23:30] * dashua thanks mac_v for holding onto his package =/ [23:30] I honestly think that that looks innactive to me but I won't get in anyones way [23:30] i agree it can be confusing [23:31] kwwii: present color > http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/346/screenshotvg.png [23:32] anything darker would become black :/ [23:32] Those old ones are much sharper on a dark panel which is detrimental to the light [23:33] mac_v: that looks plenty dark to me [23:33] I agree it should not be black [23:33] ohnoez dashua is back in gnome :P [23:33] Sorry =/ [23:34] why are there two wireless icons next to another in the drop-down menu? [23:34] I am t3h traitor [23:34] DanRabbit: detrimental to the light? you are a philosopher [23:34] erm [23:34] dashua, I meant [23:34] sorry [23:34] kwwii: that was for adhoc symbol... i have changed it to a different icon now :) [23:35] cool, don't scare me ;) [23:35] i mean adhoc network [23:35] "it was a design decision" [23:35] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jozelui/2421646228/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork kwwii this photo is WOW [23:35] :p [23:35] what a shame its not CC by sa :P [23:35] SiDi_: all of my pics are licensed like that on flickr as well [23:36] I don't want companies trolling the good pics to steal it and use it [23:36] dashua: no problem mate :P now you have the mice virus, one day it'll turn you into a little fluffy mouse and your mind will be ours [23:36] kwwii, Hehe yeah, that did sound philosophical [23:36] mwahaha [23:36] and yes, that has happened before [23:36] SiDi_, I will be back when GNOME pisses me off again [23:36] kwwii: indeed, but thats a shame i cant use it myself because of that :P [23:36] if you ask, they will often license them differently [23:37] i guess i should [23:37] I get the feeling that my bike accident today left me with a mild concusion...everything is kinda swimming around [23:37] im playing with the idea of contacting some of the ubuntu pool photographs to get a xubuntu wallpapers package.. :P [23:37] did you get in a swimming poll with your bike ? :/ [23:38] oh, i read concLusion, sorry .. [23:38] no I flipped over my handle-bars and landed directly on my head [23:39] outch^ [23:39] I was moutain-biking with my son and was just about to go up a very steep hill when my chain broke [23:39] ouch:s [23:39] at about 25km/h [23:39] I gave it my all ;) [23:45] mac_v: better with the red screwdriver, though my toolbox ruled [23:45] :) [23:45] ;) [23:46] hey kwwii (and others responsible), nice job on the karmic artwork refresh! [23:47] thanks (one of the others) [23:49] sanderqd: thnx [23:50] kwwii: you were saying something about mat's icons for login screen... are they to be added into Humanity? [23:51] mac_v: they have to appear in the gdm screen, so I guess so [23:51] mac_v: I told him to send them to me but he didn't [23:51] so I will figure this out on monday [23:51] kwwii: no need , they can be installed into the xsplash folder [23:52] that way all themes will use it [23:52] or maybe i'm confused ;p [23:52] mac_v: perhaps [23:52] but I think they need to be in a theme because now it is a normal gnome-session [23:53] and we define an icon theme for the user gdm [23:53] oh 0.o [23:53] icons are used there that are used elsewhere [23:53] kwwii: now that we have switched to humanity , where are the notify-osd icons? [23:54] kwwii: Certainly takes you a mighty long time to reply via email. Unless of course, you are avoiding the issue... ;) [23:54] troy_s: not at all, I just read your email 10min ago [23:54] troy_s: hi, btw [23:54] kwwii: Just poking. Greetings back. [23:55] troy_s: Just had a busy day (AND it is the weeknd and my wife seems to have figured things out) [23:55] kwwii: It's all good. [23:56] mac_v: they are in hicolor [23:57] kwwii: Prepping for UDS I assume? [23:57]