[00:00] <uni4dfx> why is launchpad broken? are bug reports no longer appreciated?
[00:00] <tormod> uni4dfx, file them using "ubuntu-bug"
[00:01] <uni4dfx> and if i wanna do a needs-packaging bugreport?
[00:01] <slangasek> Riddelll: the new upstart job also still sets the 'HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER' variable, but doesn't honor it
[00:02] <slangasek> nixternal: ^^ this script has your name on it, maybe you can have a look at these?
[00:02] <sladen> hikenboot: you should be able to avoid getting cut-off by comcast if you download and mirror it via your cell-phone provider package
[00:02] <nixternal> throw it out
[00:02] <nixternal> ;p
[00:02] <slangasek> nixternal: hum?
[00:02] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: several of us have complained about this. In the meantime, you can use +filebug?no-redirect instead of +filebug in your URL
[00:02] <nixternal> ya, it shouldn't have my name in it, but upstart didn't like a "" there
[00:03] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: (there are instructions in the page it redirects you to - they're just a bit buried)
[00:03] <wgrant> Alternatively, just use production.
[00:03] <wgrant> That doesn't have the redirect turned on.
[00:03] <nixternal> slangasek: right, I am pretty positive that can be removed, as it was magic candy "back in the day"
[00:03] <wgrant> Unless they turned it on in the re-rollout a few hours ago.
[00:03] <slangasek> nixternal: right; I'm more interested in finding someone with a Kubuntu hat to take responsibility for making such changes :)
[00:03] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: wgrant may countermand this, but I'd recommend filing a bug so that your use case is recorded as another problem with this redirect
[00:03] <uni4dfx> and if i'm trying to report a bug that is related to a plugin - ergo it doesn't have its own PID
[00:03] <slangasek> (I could throw it out, but I have 20 more packages in the freeze queue to get through today...)
[00:04] <nixternal> slangasek: I can do it, but will throw it at Riddelll right now since he was the last one messing with it...if he yells at me to do it then I shall :)
[00:04] <wgrant> cjwatson: I would have thought that Keybuk's all-caps rant would be enough, but apparently not.
[00:05] <cjwatson> wgrant: which was apparently dealt with by "let's identify some of the people who complain and special-case a team"
[00:05] <cjwatson> I wasn't going to object to that since it made some of the problem go away, but it *was* rather missing the point
[00:06] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: the other case close to my heart is a bug saying "I had the following problems that made me unable to install Ubuntu"
[00:06] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: anyway, you have a workaround now
[00:06] <wgrant> cjwatson: Or 'ubuntu will not boot any more'
[00:06] <uni4dfx> yeah but i wanna do it properly :P
[00:06] <cjwatson> complying with an arbitrary edict isn't necessarily quite the same as "properly" :-)
[00:07] <cjwatson> well, ok, experiment not edict
[00:07] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yesterday the bug supervisor exclusion was very nearly removed from source packages, but I fortunately noticed that and had it fixed.
[00:08] <wgrant> Anyway, hopefully this experiment will terminate soon.
[00:08] <uni4dfx> btw, something like this should be added to the wiki: "Yes, you've just been redirected from launchpad and you will have to read our wall of text before reporting a bug! No, seriously!"
[00:10] <slangasek> zul: I don't understand why you're uploading m2crypto with the only changes to add rules to support running the testsuite, without actually running it
[00:10] <slangasek> zul: and I'm unlikely to accept this during beta freeze
[00:11] <slangasek> (I would rather reject it entirely, and hold out for a build that actually *runs* the testsuite)
[00:11] <zul> slangasek: thats fine ill get the testsuite working properly
[00:11] <uni4dfx> joke aside, i understand that you're trying to eliminate all the "mah abanto don't werk, plz fixx it" reports, i just think this new process should be made entirely useful before putting it in action :P
[00:11] <slangasek> zul: ok
[00:13] <cjwatson> uni4dfx: well, bearing in mind that I'm attempting to defend an action I don't agree with here: to be fair, this was intended as an (temporary?) experiment rather than as a definite change, and announced as such
[00:13] <cjwatson> partly in order to try to kick-start improved coverage of ubuntu-bug
[00:13] <bdmurray> wgrant: it was rolled out on production
[00:13] <cjwatson> my objection to it is the assumption, sometimes hidden and sometimes less so, that it's actually *possible* to have ubuntu-bug handle all legitimate bug reports
[00:13] <cjwatson> which it isn't
[00:14] <bdmurray> uni4dfx: how could the process be made more useful? you mentioned something about a plugin?
[00:15] <uni4dfx> bdmurray: yes, i wanna report a bug in a plugin... i have no clue what package it is in
[00:15] <bdmurray> uni4dfx: a plugin for what?
[00:15] <uni4dfx> bdmurray: gnome-panel
[00:15] <uni4dfx> an applet actually
[00:16] <bdmurray> which one?
[00:16] <uni4dfx> the systray thing
[00:16] <uni4dfx> "notification area" is what it's called i believe
[00:18] <hikenboot> sladen, they have a 250 Gig limit per month
[00:18] <wgrant> bdmurray: They fixed the production config in the last 24 hours?
[00:18] <hikenboot> since its for desktop use perhaps I can limit it to only a select few of the repos any recommendation which ones?
[00:19] <bdmurray> wgrant: yes, as I understand it
[00:19] <wgrant> How unfortunate.
[00:20] <uni4dfx> bdmurray: so what package do i report it as?
[00:22] <bdmurray> uni4dfx: I believe gnome-panel is the correct package
[00:22] <uni4dfx> bdmurray: and if it's not the right one it's just going to be rejected isn't it?
[00:23] <ScottK> bdmurray: I've explained the new policy to several people in #launchpad where they are showing up because they think LP is broken.  It might be nice if someone from Ubuntu Bugs hung out there to catch the queries.
[00:23] <bdmurray> uni4dfx: no, it shouldn't its possible to move bug reports between packages
[00:23] <lifeless> bdmurray: why not?
[00:23] <wgrant> bdmurray: But then the information uploaded by apport is almost useless.
[00:23] <bdmurray> ScottK: okay, thanks for letting me know
[00:24] <lifeless> bdmurray: marking invalid on one and then adding a new task just causes bug noise to the first package
[00:24] <bdmurray> wgrant: it has the release and package version I don't think those are useless
[00:24] <wgrant> bdmurray: Wrong package.
[00:24] <lifeless> bdmurray: oh sorry, double negatives
[00:34] <hikenboot> can anyone tell me which repos for 9.04 Powerpc for offline use of the mirror just whats needed for desktops? 400 Gig is too much i am afraid to mirror the whole thing
[00:39] <slangasek> hikenboot: well, for one thing you need to use ports.ubuntu.com for powerpc.  but for minimal use you could mirror only the 'main' section, which will be much smaller
[00:40] <hikenboot> slangasek, how large is the ports.ubuntu.com powerpc section? is there a way for me to tell myself so i wont keep asking these anoying questions?
[00:41] <slangasek> hikenboot: the reliable way to measure the size is to download the Packages files, pull the 'Size' fields of all the packages listed in those files and add them up
[00:41] <hikenboot> is there a doc on this procedure?
[00:46]  * wgrant just uses debmirror to calculate that.
[00:46] <wgrant> it says 'Need to download 12345678MiB'
[00:47] <jpds> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 - is that thing serious?
[00:49] <wgrant> jpds: 'twas just an example!
[00:49] <jpds> wgrant: Oh, right.
[00:50] <wgrant> The archive isn't actually 12TB
[00:54] <Amaranth> Not yet, anyway
[00:55] <wgrant> Does anybody else find the new default background to be unusably bright on the right?
[00:55] <sistpoty> wgrant: fluxbox didn't change?
[00:55] <sistpoty> :)
[01:02] <hikenboot> wgrant, jpds so your saying it is inaccurate to calculate... if i download just the powerpc parts of ports.ubuntu.com what am i looking at? anyone know? does that include things like games that are available?
[01:02] <wgrant> hikenboot: Mirroring applications will usually tell you how much they will download.
[01:03] <hikenboot> ah ok debmirror instead of apt-mirror which i have been using
[01:30] <lamont> wgrant: is there a bug filed?
[01:31] <lamont> wgrant: and what do you need it to do?
[01:32] <wgrant> lamont: It's part of the whole ddebs-in-Soyuz thing. I don't believe there's a bug for this particular bit, although there are a few around so I may be wrong.
[01:32] <wgrant> lamont: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/lp-buildd-build-debug-symbols-flag
[01:34] <wgrant> lamont: That is for the use of some pkg-create-dbgsym changes which are yet to be merged.
[01:36] <lamont> wgrant: the ideal way would be to drop a bug on https://launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd and then pester me to do the merge - I'll be spending some quality time with launchpad-buildd next week
[01:37] <wgrant> lamont: Great, thanks.
[01:39] <wgrant> lamont: Bug #391050
[01:40] <lamont> oh.  ah.  I see
[01:43] <lamont> wgrant: so if I grab that branch, how many megabytes will I be downloading?
[01:43] <wgrant> lamont: About 200 if you don't already have LP locally.
[01:44] <lamont> right.  I'll grab it next week from town then
[01:44] <LaserJock> wgrant: is that mostly .bzr ?
[01:44] <wgrant> lamont: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/lp-buildd-build-debug-symbols-flag/revision/9442
[01:44] <lamont> historically, lp-buildd has been 'grab it from the archive, hack on it, commit to LP"
[01:44] <wgrant> LaserJock: The download is all .bzr.
[01:44] <wgrant> lamont: Well, I have no access to that archive.
[01:44] <LaserJock> oh right
[01:44] <lamont> LaserJock: .bzr, in all its history
[01:45] <wgrant> Very nearly 70000 revisions of history.
[01:45] <lamont> right.  and I'm _SO_ renaming it to lp-sbuild
[01:45] <wgrant> lamont: Is it going to use a less ancient sbuild at some point?
[01:45] <wgrant> The current one is broken on Karmic.
[01:46] <lamont> wgrant: and totally not the one we use, either
[01:46] <wgrant> lamont: Hm?
[01:47] <lamont> the version string for the sbuild package is YYYY.MM.DDubuntuXX
[01:47] <lamont> though with the new dpkg format coming down the pipe, we're gonna have to do some switching at some point
[01:47] <wgrant> lamont: Which sbuild package are you talking about?
[01:48] <rockstar> Anyone know why `python -c "import twisted"` on a base karmic install even though python-twisted is not installed?
[01:48] <rockstar> Er, why that command works.
[01:48] <wgrant> rockstar: ubuntuone-client probably brings in some other twisted stuff, I guess.
[01:48] <lamont> there was an ancient schism in debian, and debian many (most? all?) of the buildds didn't use the sbuild in the debian archive, on account of "it was crack"...
[01:49] <wgrant> rockstar: Yeah, python-ubuntuone-client brings in python-twisted-web.
[01:49] <rockstar> wgrant, ah, you're right!
[01:49] <hikenboot> getting Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files! trying to download with debmirror anyone know how to fix or know where to go and ask
[01:49] <wgrant> lamont: Right, but don't the Ubuntu buildds use the one in lp-buildd, which isn't in its own package, so doesn't have the version number that you say?
[01:49] <rockstar> wgrant, but if I install python-twisted it brings in the rest of the meta packages.
[01:49] <wgrant> rockstar: Are you sure you mean meta packages?
[01:50] <rockstar> Er, python-twisted is a meta package that brings in the rest of twisted.
[01:50] <wgrant> Right.
[01:50] <wgrant> Why is this a problem?
[01:50] <rockstar> So ubuntuone only brings in a subset of what python-twisted brings in.
[01:50] <wgrant> Right
[01:50] <lamont> wgrant: right.  lp-buildd delivers its own sbuild
[01:51] <rockstar> wgrant, it really isn't but I was damn convinced that my virtualenv was leaking into system python, which had me fuming for a day and half.
[01:51] <lamont> which is derived from the one that debian was using in 2004
[01:51] <wgrant> lamont: Which appears to be a fork from 2005.
[01:51] <wgrant> 2004! Even better.
[01:51] <rockstar> wgrant, just confusing.
[01:51] <wgrant> Ah.
[01:51] <wgrant> The one that was in use, not the one that was in the archive?
[01:51] <wgrant> I attempted to determine its ancestry a few weeks ago, but couldn't find any sane original Debian archive version.
[01:51] <lamont> wgrant: a fork from code that is completely unrelated to the sbuild that lives in the archive
[01:51] <wgrant> lamont: Ahh.
[01:52] <lamont> which reminds me, I need to work with the debian guys to get my debian buildds converted over to the new world order.  not sure if the sbuild in sid is actually the new-world-order debian buildd sbuild either
[01:52] <lamont> though I think it might be
[01:52] <lamont> dunno
[01:52] <wgrant> It's a pretty different beast now.
[01:53] <wgrant> I think it is.
[01:53] <lamont> I think it might be
[01:53] <lamont> anyway, afk with family
[01:54] <wgrant> Night.
[02:50] <mdz> slangasek, ping?
[03:10] <freenose> Are there going to be disruptive or big changes in karmic before release? want to install ubuntu in this laptop but don't want to reinstall in a month
[03:48] <ScottK> freenose: Not on purpose.
[04:25] <xuser> ScottK: :)
[05:19] <dtchen> jdstrand: / ajmitch: fixed, please pull commit 80abe54
[06:13] <ajmitch> dtchen: ok, I'll pull it & try & compile
[07:14] <AnAnt> why's pidgin added again ?
[07:35] <AnAnt> Hello, when I did apt-get dist-upgrade today, it attempted to install pidgin
[07:36] <AnAnt> the reason is that libpurple0 recommends pidgin-libnotify, which in turn depends on pidgin
[08:35] <ttx> mdz, kirkland: still up ?
[08:35] <kirkland> ttx: i am
[08:35] <kirkland> ttx: i'm about to upload another eucalyptus
[08:35] <kirkland> ttx: i'm testing it now
[08:36] <ttx> kirkland: I forgot "dch --release" in my instructions from yesterday
[08:36] <confrey> hi everybody
[08:36] <ttx> to get the right distro in the changelog, before doing debcommit --release
[08:37] <kirkland> ttx: heh, i figured it out ;-)
[08:37] <ttx> kirkland: I'll read the email pile... anything special I should test this week-end except taking the latest dailies for a UEC install spin to validate the fixes ?
[08:46] <confrey> hi everybody
[08:50] <confrey> I've installed karmic alpha6, but after upgrading, it do an infinite loop during fschk at boot, it seems each superbloock time is in future, but it continues to check it, without stopping,
[09:26] <hrickards> If there's a bug with my package that's also present in upstream (Debian), shall I file the bug in Launchpad, bugs.d.o or both? Sorry for such a newbish question.
[09:28] <Laney> don't do that
[09:30] <Laney> lifeless: are you an op?
[09:30] <lifeless> nope
[09:30] <hrickards> Someone kick Cut-R
[09:30] <lifeless> we need one
[09:30] <Laney> !ops
[09:30] <lifeless> Hobbsee: around ?
[09:31] <Tm_T> hmh, not hat for me his time
[09:34] <Tm_T> Cut-R: stop trolling with topic
[09:34] <Amaranth> jayne: Can you change it back too? :)
[09:35] <Amaranth> (the topic)
[09:35] <Laney> we dont need +t
[09:35] <Laney> cant you just kick/ban?
[09:35] <lifeless> jayne: we don't want +t in fact
[09:35] <jayne> getting there, Amaranth
[09:35] <Cut-R> for what kick ban me if i can change topic in liberty ?
[09:35] <ErrantEgo> lifeless: please stay calm
[09:35] <lifeless> ErrantEgo: I am?
[09:35] <Amaranth> Cut-R: Because we don't want you to
[09:36] <Tm_T> Cut-R: sure, by libe ty to kickban?
[09:36] <lifeless> Cut-R: this isn't liberty, its humanity towards others, and its a linux distribution development channel.
[09:40] <elky> jayne, are you discussing with him the finer points of respectful behaviour, or are you waiting for some directive from a GC?
[09:41] <Tm_T> elky (:
[09:41] <lifeless> Cut-R: this isn't liberty, its humanity towards others, and its a linux distribution development channel.
[09:41] <lifeless> bah mistype
[09:42] <jayne> elky: discussing... feel free to -t or whatever if you want
[09:42] <lifeless> jayne: -t when you're confident they won't toggle it back :)
[09:42] <lifeless> jayne: we need it -t though for community announcements done by a variety of folk
[09:42] <elky> jayne, whilst i am GC, i don't actually have the ubuntuirccouncil nick password at hand
[09:45] <lifeless> thank you
[09:49] <cjwatson> kirkland,ttx: still around? this eucalyptus upload looks wrong
[09:49] <ErrantEgo> just wanted to make you folks aware, that he's been k-lined
[09:50] <cjwatson> ErrantEgo: thanks
[09:51] <lifeless> ErrantEgo: thanks
[09:51] <cjwatson> kirkland,ttx: mdz's change from installer-cc.conf to eucalyptus-cc.conf (why?) wasn't reflected in a couple of other files. Any reason this isn't needed? http://paste.ubuntu.com/278606/
[09:51] <lifeless> [bah, latency]
[09:51] <cjwatson> mdz: (I'm assuming you're asleep by now)
[10:06] <ErrantEgo> heads up
[10:06] <ErrantEgo> he has just evaded a ban
[10:06] <cjwatson> I'll be around for a bit
[10:06] <ErrantEgo> cjwatson: are you an op?
[10:06] <cjwatson> in this channel, yes
[10:06] <ErrantEgo> oops, nm
[10:06] <ErrantEgo> i just noticed you were opped
[10:07] <ErrantEgo> fine business
[10:07] <cjwatson> do you want notified somewhere if he shows up here again?
[10:07] <ErrantEgo> hes using the nick Standley
[10:07] <ErrantEgo> I'm just a normal user, but I do try to do a little "undercover" work if i can
[10:08] <ErrantEgo> seeing what takes place, and pass it along to the staff
[10:11] <ErrantEgo> ok, he was once again k-lined
[10:11] <ErrantEgo> cjwatson: ^
[10:14] <cjwatson> ErrantEgo: ok, I don't really care as long as he isn't trolling here :)
[10:14] <cjwatson> if he does, we'll throw him out again
[10:14] <ErrantEgo> ok
[10:14] <ErrantEgo> dont mean to be an annoyance, just trying to look 'behind the scenes', per-se
[10:15] <cjwatson> that's fine, thanks
[10:16] <cjwatson> let's not let a troll take up too much attention though, as that's just what they want
[10:16]  * ErrantEgo nods in agreement
[10:16] <ErrantEgo> thats what they strive to do :)
[10:16] <ErrantEgo> or, should that be a :( ?? lol..
[10:16] <ErrantEgo> ok im done
[10:17] <ErrantEgo> im gonna depart...now that i see an op is around
[10:40] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm around
[10:41] <kirkland> cjwatson: mdz was trying to get rid of /etc/eucalyptus/installer-cc.conf
[10:42] <kirkland> cjwatson: he's putting the CC_NAME in /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus-cc.conf
[10:42] <kirkland> cjwatson: and sourcing that instead
[10:43] <kirkland> cjwatson: this is just the tip of the iceberg in trying to fix eucalyptus' horrible conffile handling
[10:43] <kirkland> cjwatson: i see you pushed an upload too
[10:48] <cjwatson> right, it's a shame he didn't grep for installer-cc.conf in the rest of the code, that's all :) anyway, fixed
[10:49] <cjwatson> I don't see how eucalyptus-cc.conf is any better than installer-cc.conf, but I assume there's some plan in mind here
[10:55] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm too tired to explain right now
[10:56] <kirkland> cjwatson: but it's part of a multi-step scheme to improve the conffile handling
[10:57] <cjwatson> kirkland: I see - well, let's try not to regress the beta in the cause of a longer-term plan :)
[10:58] <kirkland> cjwatson: heh, agreed.
[11:14] <pecisk> does Karmic goes back to Pidgin?
[11:16] <cjwatson> pecisk: not as far as I can see? empathy is still seeded in desktop and pidgin isn't
[11:17] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, i'm calling it a night/day
[11:17] <pecisk> allright, then it is just a glich
[11:17] <cjwatson> kirkland: *nod*, sleep well
[11:18] <kirkland> ack
[11:18] <kirkland> thx
[11:20] <pecisk> cjwatson: hmmm, interesting, today's dist-upgrade pulls in pidgin
[11:20] <cjwatson> well, I don't know why that is, but it doesn't appear to be due to the default switching back
[11:21] <cjwatson> not for ubuntu-desktop, anyway
[11:21] <cjwatson> other metapackages still pull it in
[11:22] <pecisk> for example? :) I have only ubuntu-desktop as far as I know. Fresh install.
[11:23] <cjwatson> the following packages mention pidgin somewhere in their pre-depends/depends/recommends fields: brdesktop-gnome finch gaim-extendedprefs gaim-guifications gaim-hotkeys gaim-irchelper gaim-themes gaim-thinklight gfire gnome libpurple0 lubuntu-desktop pidgin pidgin-audacious pidgin-awayonlock pidgin-blinklight pidgin-bot-sentry pidgin-dbg pidgin-dev pidgin-encryption pidgin-extprefs pidgin-festival pidgin-guifications ...
[11:23] <cjwatson> ... pidgin-hotkeys pidgin-lastfm pidgin-libnotify pidgin-mpris pidgin-nateon pidgin-nateon-dbg pidgin-otr pidgin-plugin-pack pidgin-privacy-please pidgin-sipe pidgin-themes ubuntu-mid xubuntu-desktop
[11:23] <cjwatson> (that's just a quick grep, may be inaccurate)
[11:24] <pecisk> well, seemingly ubuntu-desktop doesn't have it, but afaik libpurple0 is used my empathy
[11:25] <pecisk> my/by/s
[11:26] <cjwatson> not as far as I can see. Of course you may happen to still have it installed
[11:27] <cjwatson> nautilus-sendto depends on it
[11:27] <cjwatson> which is in desktop
[11:27] <pecisk> sounds like a bug
[11:27] <cjwatson> so it does look as if pidgin is being transitively pulled into desktop; I agree, that's a bug *somewhere*
[11:27] <cjwatson> the most relevant change seems to be the addition of pidgin-libnotify to libpurple0's Recommends, though I don't know if that's the proper place to fix it
[11:27] <cjwatson> please do report it
[11:28] <Laney> yes
[11:28] <hile> that was reported earlier here
[11:28] <Laney> it should have been a recommends of pidgin and not libpurple0
[11:28] <hile> oh already said, ignore
[11:29] <Laney> should be a quick fix for any free core-dev...
[11:29]  * Laney runs
[11:34] <pecisk> damn, it might be stupid thing to ask, but how can I report bug in new LP interface?
[11:34]  * pecisk is confused :)
[11:36] <cjwatson> bug 437109
[11:37] <pecisk> cjwatson: thanks
[11:39] <pecisk> so there is recommendation to do this trough ubuntu-bug tool right?
[11:39] <pecisk> to report bugs
[11:41] <Laney> patch is up on that bug
[11:41] <pecisk> great
[11:41] <pecisk> thanks guys :)
[11:49] <pecisk> It seems that epiphany webkit is kinda broken for lot of pages. It is known bug?
[12:02] <AnAnt> can someone look at LP 416949 ?
[13:02] <tormod> oh the acpi-support/pm-utils/laptop-mode-tools mess... can somebody please sponsor bug #384875
[13:31] <lool> smoser: Did you get vmbuilder sponsored?  Can't see it in karmic-changes
[14:37] <mdke> anyone in ~ubuntu-release - I've uploaded ubuntu-docs 9.10.7, no invasive changes from .6. We'll probably try and do one more before the beta so that we can get any last new strings in before the string freeze
[14:50] <happyaron> jcastro: ping
[15:13] <senthil> hello guys
[15:46] <arand> Is the ability to configure the sound theme gone in karmic? if so, why is it gone? what would one do to get it back?
[15:48] <nalioth> any ops around?
[15:48] <ScottK> !ops
[15:49] <ScottK> Shoot.  He's gone already.  Sorry.
[15:50] <nalioth> ScottK: is there a reason the topic is open?
[15:50] <ScottK> Because it's more trouble to limit it and then need to find that special someone than to fix it after this happens every once and a while.
[15:51] <ScottK> That's the theory anyway.
[15:51] <ScottK> Generally it works out OK.
[17:54] <YokoZar> Does the new software store icon look like a grocery bag to anyone else?
[18:15] <freenose> Linux karmic 2.6.31-11-generic-pae #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 25 07:50:01 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:16] <freenose> I installed the virtual mode, shouldn't it say 'virtual' in the kernel name?
[18:32] <mdz> cjwatson_, I did grep the rest of the code for installer-cc.conf, and did notice those two instances. I deliberately left those init scripts alone because dustin was modifying them at the same time and I wanted to avoid conflicts
[18:32] <mdz> he and I discussed the necessary changes to the scripts; it got very late and must have been forgotten
[18:49] <freenose> is that a bug maybe? since aptitude shows that linux-image-2.6.31-11-virtual is installed and shows linux-image-generic-pae as not installed, uname is showing the wrong version?
[19:14] <arand> Is the ability to configure the sound theme gone in karmic? if so, why is it gone? what would one do to get it back?
[19:14] <ScottK> arand: Karmic help is in #ubuntu+1.
[19:16] <arand> ScottK: I'm aware, I've been fishing for an answer to this there for a couple of weeks already. Do you know where I would be more likely to get answers?
[19:16] <ScottK> Not really.  That's really the appropriate channel though.  Not this one.
[19:53] <mdz> kirkland, around?
[21:26] <rgs__> hey guys, do you know how i could get python-hulahop for Py 2.6
[21:26] <rgs__> this is on Jaunty where the module is only packaged for python 2.5
[21:31] <ScottK> Looks like it's fixed in Karmic, so you might be able to grab the Karmic source package and build it for Jaunty
[21:34] <hikenboot> how do i import keys meant for ubuntu on centos so i can do a debmirror
[21:44] <Hellow> Netsplits \o/
[21:50] <bluefoxicy> so
[21:50] <bluefoxicy> did sabdfl actually stand up at a conference a couple days ago and tell everyone they need to shut the fuck up?
[21:50] <highvoltage> heh
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> okay
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> stop.
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> look.
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> This thing just asked for services to restart for PAM upgrade to Karmic alpha.
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> it suggested GDM in the default options.
[21:56] <bluefoxicy> Do you see a problem?
[21:57] <highvoltage> It shouldn't kill your GDM session. (at least it didn't mine)
[21:57] <highvoltage> did it kill yours?
[21:58] <bluefoxicy> no, I took GDM out of the list
[21:58] <bluefoxicy> it didn't ask me to dff check pam and I didn't let it update it (I use pam tmpdir...)
[21:58] <bluefoxicy> how do I do this?
[21:58] <highvoltage> (brb)
[22:39] <bluefoxicy> istill don't understand the install procedures
[22:40] <bluefoxicy> I've generated the initrd for 2.6.31-11-generic 6 times in the past apt instance
[22:51] <mdke> slangasek: I'm working on a gnome-user-docs upload atm. You recall that last release you set it up so that it splits into various lang packages. I'm getting quite a few build errors because of the absence of /usr/share/iso-codes/iso_639.tab (referred to in debian/rules)
[22:51] <cjwatson> use isoquery
[22:52] <mdke> cjwatson: I'm just wondering whether we can get rid of the whole thing now that pitti has worked it so that translated xml is already stripped out of binary packages during the build process
[22:52] <cjwatson> that I don't know, would recommend not experimenting overmuch with that sort of thing five days before beta though
[22:53] <mdke> cjwatson: that sounds sensible too :)
[22:53] <mdke> I'll look into adding isoquery as a build-dep and seeing if I can figure out how it works
[22:55] <cjwatson> usually fairly easy, you can generally just build-depend on isoquery in addition to iso-codes and substitute $(isoquery --iso=639) for references to iso_639.tab
[22:56] <mdke> hmm. I'm not going to even get close to understanding the line in debian/rules which is concerned here
[23:02] <bluefoxicy> Canonical has been criticized for abuse of the Ubuntu trademark for commercial exploitation [1][2], and for launching a proprietary service [3][4].
[23:03] <bluefoxicy> 1)  WTF Ubuntu One
[23:03] <bluefoxicy> 2)  WTF criticism, it's their trademark and what are these RMS hippies "OMG MAKING MONIES ARE EVIL" coming from?!
[23:03] <ScottK> bluefoxicy: It's been debated to death already.
[23:04] <bluefoxicy> scottK: I don't like the idea of storing your files on someone else's server... that whole "cloud drive" thing
[23:04] <mdke> quite off-topic for this channel
[23:04] <ScottK> Right, so don't use it.
[23:04] <bluefoxicy> scottK:  That being said, every time Canonical tries to make money doing anything but sell call-in support for things you can get 100% free (i.e. the apps work if you want to waive support), people bitch
[23:04] <bluefoxicy> I don't get this.
[23:05] <bluefoxicy> scottK:  Exactly
[23:05] <ScottK> Right, but I don't think it's much to do with the purpose of this channel to try to figure it out.
[23:05] <mdke> or anything
[23:05] <bluefoxicy> I've already figured it out.  People are stupid.
[23:05] <podman99> hey all when programming (compiling really) its moaning about not being able to find ServerSocket.h ... am i missing a pakckage ... cant find it with `find / -name ServerSocket.h` noob to C programming my first real includes
[23:06] <bluefoxicy> podman99: yeah ask that in #ubuntu but that's a -dev package, figure out what library it's from(google) and install fubar-dev
[23:07] <podman99> bluefoxicy -- thanks... thourhgt it best to ask developers about a developer problem?? ne way ... there is no listed package on google or aptitude spent 2 hours looking before i came to irc
[23:07] <bluefoxicy> no this is specifically for ubuntu development, not developing ON ubuntu
[23:08] <podman99> is there a file/package search on ubuntu sites anywhere
[23:08] <bluefoxicy> search for the file name
[23:08] <cjwatson> podman99: while it does exist in our archive, I can only find it in some fairly arcane places (java/net/ServerSocket.h in libgcj*-dev, that kind of thing). You may well find that the person who wrote the program you're compiling is using some proprietary interface that we simply don't have
[23:08] <cjwatson> podman99: packages.ubuntu.com
[23:08] <podman99> great one .. thanks
[23:09] <cjwatson> and bluefoxicy is right, this channel is for developing Ubuntu itself rather than for help compiling applications on Ubuntu, sorry
[23:09] <podman99> librudiments-dev ... ubuntu rules xxx netbook dont boot on my tx2 USB Stick... comes up with busybox ... however this is a laptop not netbook so that may explain it
[23:10] <mdke> slangasek: I wonder if you could take a look at it. Where I have got to is at ~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-karmic - we may want to think about whether the separate packages can now be dropped given that pkgbinarymangler strips out localised xml from binaries anyway now, but as cjwatson points out, it may be the wrong time to look at that