| eagles0513875 | morning asac | 09:13 |
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| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | hi | 10:57 |
| asac | eagles0513875: not sure if you managed to get past it, but if you have modifications you need to commit them before you can push | 11:14 |
| asac | but i am sure i already said that a few times ;) | 11:15 |
| asac | kenvandine: gwibber locked my whole desktop focus wise ;) ... and no .... not sure how that works | 11:35 |
| asac | kenvandine: only thing i know was that the UI thread of gwibber was dead too | 11:36 |
| asac | kenvandine: do you know if i can send some signal to python process so it spits out the current thread dump? | 11:36 |
| asac | i know thats possible in java ;) | 11:36 |
| * asac would think any decent interpreter/VM system would have that | 11:37 | |
| asac | kenvandine: antoher good thing would be to make gwibber dbus interface introspectable ;) ... i cannot see much in d-feet atm | 11:57 |
| * asac wonders if there is any chance that tbird 3 will not consume gigabytes of mem for final | 12:01 | |
| asac | 1512m 863m 27m R 85 43.0 13:57.45 thunderbird-bin | 12:01 |
| asac | and i didnt even open a single mail yet ;) | 12:01 |
| asac | just downloads and indexes mails atm | 12:02 |
| asac | _Tsk_: hey. is the mem consumption of shredder considered a (fixable) issue? | 13:01 |
| asac | on this 2G system i had to stop everything but tbird 3 to use it without swapping | 13:02 |
| asac | any hint where that mem gets lost? in the indexer? | 13:03 |
| asac | or are you relying on "memory pressure" ... which isnt implemented on linux? | 13:03 |
| bdrung | asac: what do you think of av`s idea to use a uploaders.mk for the moz-ext-team? | 13:32 |
| asac | how would that work? | 13:34 |
| asac | bdrung: ? | 13:34 |
| asac | ${uploaders} ? | 13:34 |
| * asac wonders if that works when producing sources? | 13:35 | |
| bdrung | asac: look at e.g. brasero | 13:36 |
| bdrung | asac: there is a control.in file containing "Uploaders: @GNOME_TEAM@" | 13:36 |
| asac | please no control.in | 13:39 |
| asac | rather adding folks manually | 13:39 |
| _Tsk_ | asac: it should | 13:40 |
| asac | but i will think about it. so far we have you as uploader and andrea. not sure how many more we will get ;) | 13:40 |
| _Tsk_ | specially if gloda is involved | 13:40 |
| asac | _Tsk_: what should? | 13:41 |
| asac | get fixed? | 13:41 |
| asac | or indexer is the culprit? | 13:41 |
| _Tsk_ | we should use so much memry like we do sometime while indexing | 13:41 |
| asac | heh ... now: "indexing 888.... of 887 ... (106% complete) ;) | 13:41 |
| asac | _Tsk_: so tbird as mem requirement (minimum 2gb, recommended 4gb)? | 13:42 |
| asac | has | 13:42 |
| _Tsk_ | no absolutely not. Just since two weeks gloda starts inedxing and that consumes memory - once indexes it gets down to lower values and if it doesn't then file a bug | 13:43 |
| asac | _Tsk_: right. but it practically mean that tbird 3 will not be usable on any system < 2gb | 13:43 |
| asac | why does the indexer takes so much space? | 13:43 |
| asac | imo there should be potential if its really the indexer | 13:44 |
| _Tsk_ | I don't know | 13:44 |
| asac | but will check ... once it has finished i will restart | 13:44 |
| _Tsk_ | k | 13:44 |
| asac | 108% complete ;) | 13:46 |
| asac | seems it doesnt like that i didnt sync my mails for ages ;) | 13:46 |
| mac_v | asac: hei , got a min | 14:36 |
| mac_v | why is the edit connections > wired and the DSL tab using the icon from device , while the wireless and the broadband are using icons from status | 14:37 |
| mac_v | *devices folder .... *status folder | 14:37 |
| asac | mac_v: we use nm- icons ... theme ships links for some and maybe not for others | 14:40 |
| asac | there is some best-approach tweakage in the theme ... dont ask me what the current status is ;) | 14:41 |
| mac_v | asac: the stuff is messed up :(... the nm- icons are not used for wired connections :( | 14:41 |
| mac_v | it is used for wireless only | 14:42 |
| asac | let me check in code | 14:42 |
| mac_v | let me explain the problem | 14:42 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/278750/ | 14:42 |
| asac | thats what is loaded in code | 14:42 |
| asac | if the icon used does not have nm- ... prefix | 14:43 |
| asac | then there is a link shipped in theme or something | 14:43 |
| asac | so you wont see it in strace | 14:43 |
| mac_v | asac: ok , , what icon is used in the edit connections? | 14:44 |
| mac_v | the wired tab | 14:44 |
| mac_v | and for dsl | 14:44 |
| mac_v | we need to fix those for humanity and I'm really stupmed :( | 14:45 |
| mac_v | stumped* | 14:45 |
| asac | find /usr/share/icons/Humanity/ | grep nm- | pastebinit | 14:45 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/278752/ | 14:45 |
| mac_v | asac: hehe , i know the icons .. i did them ;p | 14:46 |
| mac_v | i dont know which icon is used in the tab :( | 14:46 |
| mac_v | it shows a wrong icons , we want to make it use a color icon , | 14:46 |
| asac | ICON_LOAD(list->wired_icon, "nm-device-wired"); ICON_LOAD(list->wireless_icon, "nm-device-wireless"); ICON_LOAD(list->wwan_icon, "nm-device-wwan"); ICON_LOAD(list->vpn_icon, "nm-vpn-standalone-lock"); ICON_LOAD(list->unknown_icon, "nm-no-connection"); | 14:47 |
| asac | sorry | 14:47 |
| asac | let me paste | 14:47 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/278756/ | 14:47 |
| asac | those are the ones in the connection-editor | 14:47 |
| asac | mac_v: so the standalone lock | 14:48 |
| asac | /usr/share/icons/Humanity/apps/24/nm-vpn-standalone-lock.svg | 14:48 |
| asac | /usr/share/icons/Humanity/apps/22/nm-vpn-standalone-lock.svg | 14:48 |
| asac | for the VPN tab | 14:48 |
| mac_v | thats no probs | 14:48 |
| asac | well. thats currently the same as the wired | 14:48 |
| mac_v | the wired and the DSL are using a wrong icon :( | 14:48 |
| asac | please make that look different | 14:48 |
| asac | the wired is nm-device-wired | 14:49 |
| asac | mac_v: what i con are you seeing? | 14:49 |
| asac | what do you expect? | 14:49 |
| mac_v | let me get you a screenshot | 14:49 |
| asac | kiwii fixed it to be not the pacman ghost anymore ;) | 14:49 |
| mac_v | asac: well we are not using human now ;p | 14:49 |
| mac_v | as default | 14:49 |
| asac | anyway ... would be precious if you also add the lock to the bottom right for vpn | 14:50 |
| asac | like it was before ;) | 14:50 |
| mac_v | asac: just corrected the vpn bug :) | 14:50 |
| asac | great | 14:50 |
| asac | please get me screen | 14:50 |
| mac_v | but lock is now above... i dont use vpn :( | 14:50 |
| mac_v | nor a wired connection :( | 14:50 |
| asac | so for me /usr/share/icons/Humanity/status/22/nm-device-wired.svg and /usr/share/icons/Humanity/devices/22/nm-device-wired.svg are identical | 14:51 |
| asac | mac_v: please put the lock to the lower right | 14:51 |
| asac | thats how its overlayed | 14:51 |
| asac | by nm | 14:51 |
| mac_v | asac: could you pull from and test it> $bzr branch lp:humanity | 14:52 |
| asac | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-vpn-lock.png | 14:52 |
| mac_v | yeah noticed that | 14:52 |
| asac | no ;) ... today is weekend ;) and i am about to go out for afternoon action ;) | 14:52 |
| mac_v | ;p | 14:52 |
| asac | so ... i see /usr/share/icons/Humanity/status/22/nm-device-wired.svg /usr/share/icons/Humanity/devices/22/nm-device-wired.svg | 14:52 |
| asac | for wired | 14:53 |
| asac | in the tray and in the editor | 14:53 |
| mac_v | asac: can we make the tray and the tab use different icons PLS | 14:53 |
| mac_v | the UX team wants greyscale | 14:53 |
| mac_v | icons | 14:53 |
| asac | unsure | 14:53 |
| mac_v | but this same greyscale icon is used in the Tab... thats the whole problem | 14:54 |
| asac | which icon should be used instead? | 14:54 |
| mac_v | just a sec | 14:54 |
| asac | mac_v: please use the tower approach for wwan | 14:54 |
| mac_v | i didnt understand | 14:55 |
| asac | maybe make the left tower higher and show a signal or something ;) | 14:55 |
| asac | or look at the tower used by NM | 14:55 |
| asac | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-device-wwan.png | 14:55 |
| mac_v | ah.. ;) | 14:56 |
| asac | but check with kiwii who did some work on that | 14:56 |
| mac_v | sure, that icon is in the TODO list... | 14:56 |
| asac | he gave me different tower icons for expressing signal strength which i am trying to get upstream | 14:56 |
| asac | mac_v: if you do that remember that you need the same signal steps that wireless has | 14:56 |
| asac | full, 75, 50, 25 and 00 | 14:56 |
| mac_v | asac: rigth now i have assigned both wireless and wwan the same icon... a monitor with a wireless signal | 14:57 |
| asac | that monitor looked more like a station to me | 14:57 |
| asac | ;) | 14:57 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 14:58 |
| asac | which made me think that we just need to make it bigger for the wwan one | 14:58 |
| asac | so users see: its WIDE area Wireless | 14:58 |
| asac | but not my decision | 14:58 |
| asac | i am only caring about upstream icons ;) | 14:58 |
| mac_v | :) | 14:58 |
| mac_v | asac: could you change the panel to use > network-wired.svg | 14:59 |
| mac_v | instead of device | 14:59 |
| asac | do you agree that a heart is good for emblem-favorite? shouldnt that be the practical standard used by firefox, gmail etc. -> a star? | 14:59 |
| asac | for me its more like emblem-love | 14:59 |
| mac_v | asac: changed ;) | 15:00 |
| asac | mac_v: that will mean we get endless diff to upstream | 15:00 |
| asac | mac_v: the star? | 15:00 |
| mac_v | that was added by another member of the team , now i'v changed | 15:00 |
| mac_v | yeah | 15:00 |
| asac | cool | 15:00 |
| asac | now convince gnome to do the same | 15:00 |
| asac | where is that supposed to be filed? | 15:00 |
| asac | ;) | 15:00 |
| mac_v | andreason | 15:00 |
| asac | http://identi.ca/notice/10771731 | 15:01 |
| asac | mac_v: cool. so maybe having those hearts in nm applet for a day helped ;) | 15:01 |
| mac_v | yeah.... we changed mainly because they appeared there ;) | 15:01 |
| mac_v | BTW it uses a very large icons :/ | 15:02 |
| mac_v | it could be smaller | 15:02 |
| asac | i dont think that we want different icons for applet and connection-editor ... users already have a hard time to understand what those mean | 15:02 |
| asac | and keeping them in sync everywhere can only avoid confusion | 15:02 |
| asac | for instance: they wonder all the time what that icon on the tray means ... they open "configure network" and then they see the same icon with a name next to it on the tab | 15:03 |
| mac_v | asac: the problem is all the "device" icons are now used in the editor... but for wireless and broadband... the icon labels dont have device | 15:03 |
| mac_v | so it would be better if we used the icon without the device label in the panel too | 15:03 |
| asac | mac_v: not no sure what you mean | 15:03 |
| mac_v | wireless use nm-signal-* | 15:04 |
| asac | thats just signal. yes | 15:04 |
| mac_v | same with vpn nm-vpn-* | 15:04 |
| asac | i dont see the benefit of renaming everything to nm-wired etc. | 15:04 |
| asac | at least not for you | 15:04 |
| mac_v | asac: its not for me :) | 15:04 |
| asac | it doesnt change the fact that theicons in tray should be the same used in the connection editor tab | 15:04 |
| asac | you == for your problem | 15:04 |
| asac | so if i look in the connection editor i see all the icons that would be used in tray (minus vpn bug) | 15:05 |
| mac_v | asac: hmm.... the only problem is now , the icons on the panel are greyscale... but would that suite the tabs? | 15:06 |
| asac | well. thats the consequence imo. | 15:06 |
| mac_v | thats , the problem | 15:06 |
| asac | same icons | 15:06 |
| mac_v | exactly! | 15:06 |
| asac | and as i said thats a feature | 15:06 |
| mac_v | if the icons are differnt labels , we could make color ones for those | 15:07 |
| mac_v | but similar to the panel | 15:07 |
| asac | code base wise that means that you have to duplicate all icons for try and editor | 15:08 |
| mac_v | asac: the icon already exists... not a new icon | 15:08 |
| mac_v | it is just not used :( | 15:08 |
| asac | it means the icons are decoupled | 15:08 |
| asac | so themeres can mess this up arbitrarily | 15:08 |
| mac_v | asac: just because others might mess it up... do we not do this :( | 15:09 |
| asac | yes. but code base would be special cased just because we want a greyscale thing in the tray | 15:09 |
| asac | but i will think about it. | 15:10 |
| mac_v | asac: actually the code base is wrong... :( .. pls consider it | 15:10 |
| asac | all this needs to be done upstream too if its done | 15:10 |
| asac | code base isnt really wrong. you cannot say that all apps should use different icons | 15:11 |
| asac | for instance | 15:11 |
| asac | or if you use the same icon at different places you should use differnt names | 15:11 |
| asac | just because some themer might want to change a icon you ment to be the same everywhere to be different at some places | 15:11 |
| asac | feels a bit like a lack of gtk theme feature | 15:11 |
| asac | like: remapping icon names for certain widgets | 15:12 |
| mac_v | why i said wrong is .... the editor using nm-device-* is correct... but the tray should not do that , only for the wired , if it is doing so , it should do same for all tray icons | 15:12 |
| asac | i know that you want it to use different icons | 15:12 |
| asac | but i dont understand the reasoning | 15:12 |
| asac | why shouldnt it use nm-device icons if it displays the main device status there? | 15:13 |
| mac_v | the reason is > the wired label is not consistent with the labels in the tray , it could have just been a symlink to the device icon | 15:14 |
| asac | i dont understand what that means | 15:14 |
| mac_v | hmm... | 15:14 |
| bdrung | asac: ${uploaders} would probably not work | 15:15 |
| asac | how is it not consistent? the one in tray is nm-device-wired. the -signal icons are special and should have been named nm-device-wifi-signal... or something | 15:15 |
| asac | but that wouldnt help you | 15:15 |
| asac | as the icons used are still the same everywhere | 15:15 |
| mac_v | when we label icons... all icons of the same location have the same name , but different appends.. so it makes life easy for all... when one icon uses a different label it is the odd one out | 15:17 |
| mac_v | asac: so the tray icon for wired should hav been "nm-device-wired-active" | 15:18 |
| mac_v | and for the disconnected it should have been "nm-device-wired-disconnected" | 15:19 |
| asac | there is no disconnected icon | 15:19 |
| asac | we only have device icons | 15:19 |
| asac | and no-connection | 15:19 |
| asac | and a few signal strength for wifi | 15:20 |
| asac | those should be renamed as i already said | 15:20 |
| asac | to nm-device-wifi-signal-xxx | 15:20 |
| asac | but i understand what you mean ... i think | 15:20 |
| mac_v | yeah... but now wireless has its own discaooected icons | 15:20 |
| asac | and i think i might be able to at least make a point upstream now | 15:20 |
| asac | mac_v: right. thats atm just accidentially ;) | 15:21 |
| asac | i mean: the purpose was not to have different icons for tray and editor | 15:21 |
| mac_v | the network.. uses a huge load of icons :( | 15:21 |
| asac | but just to have signal icons ;) | 15:21 |
| asac | but i think i can argue upstream that the tray is not a simple device icon | 15:22 |
| asac | but rather a device icon with status indication | 15:22 |
| mac_v | \o/ | 15:22 |
| mac_v | that would be great | 15:22 |
| asac | especially now that we will land different signal strength for wwan | 15:22 |
| asac | i can try to use that as a vehicle to clean this model up | 15:22 |
| mac_v | ;) | 15:22 |
| asac | cannot promiss it of course :) | 15:23 |
| mac_v | asac: when will this clean up be discussed ? | 15:23 |
| asac | but i am a bit optimistic | 15:23 |
| mac_v | ;) | 15:23 |
| mac_v | ie: >could it land before karmic? | 15:24 |
| asac | once i start working on the signal strength for wwan | 15:24 |
| asac | thats hopefully during beta freeze already | 15:24 |
| asac | yes ... so if i can convince him then i assume it would land | 15:24 |
| asac | before | 15:24 |
| asac | but time is not really long before release | 15:24 |
| mac_v | yeah :( | 15:24 |
| asac | and the more i start doing lengthy discussions the less time we have to fix real bugs | 15:24 |
| asac | like modem regressions etc. | 15:24 |
| mac_v | asac: could we make the change in our end... for now ;) | 15:24 |
| mac_v | if dicsussions dont go well ;) | 15:25 |
| asac | i wont do that if there is no chance of landing it upstream. | 15:25 |
| asac | but first we have to hear the arguments | 15:25 |
| asac | i wouldnt be too pessimistic | 15:25 |
| asac | in case discssion shows that he is in general for this cleanup then we can prepatch it | 15:25 |
| mac_v | :) that would be nice | 15:26 |
| mac_v | asac: thanks for considering this.... | 15:28 |
| asac | sorry for being so slow ;) | 15:28 |
| asac | understanding your point | 15:28 |
| mac_v | nah.. i find it hard to type my ideas ;p | 15:29 |
| mac_v | ideas/point | 15:29 |
| asac | mac_v: so expect that there will be use for nm-device-wwan-active (for modems that dont have signal feature) and nm-device-wwan-signal-xx | 15:30 |
| asac | e.g. dont get busted if suddenly the wwan icon needs signal strength | 15:30 |
| mac_v | sure thats no prob | 15:30 |
| asac | mac_v: the greyscale wifi signal strength has imo too tiny bars ... did you consider to make them one point bigger? | 15:31 |
| asac | its not really easy to recognize the strenght | 15:31 |
| mac_v | asac: yeah , but that didnt turn out well :/ ... also the colors are now corrected to make them dark | 15:31 |
| mac_v | the problem was , we never expected Ubuntu to use Humanity as the default theme... | 15:32 |
| mac_v | and UNR wanted the icons light | 15:32 |
| mac_v | so hence the icons were light | 15:32 |
| mac_v | now we are making 2 themes ;) | 15:32 |
| asac | prob is that we wanted to make the icons for no active APs insensitive like: http://people.canonical.com/~asac/nm08-applet/nm08-wifi-connected-final.png | 15:32 |
| asac | but thats hardly recognizable with the new icons | 15:33 |
| asac | so i had patch that sensitive part out | 15:33 |
| asac | (thats an old screenshot ... so dont take everything for granted) | 15:33 |
| mac_v | asac: its not prob... you could have mentioned it earlier ;) | 15:33 |
| asac | well. | 15:33 |
| mac_v | or even now if you want a new icon is not a prob | 15:33 |
| asac | thats landing as we speak ;) | 15:33 |
| asac | i dont want a new icon, but rather one that is recognizable if its set to "insensitive" in gtk | 15:34 |
| mac_v | ah | 15:34 |
| asac | if thats too hard ... then i can try to get that out of upstream | 15:34 |
| asac | anyway. i am out now again ... but was good to talk about ... so see you monday | 15:36 |
| mac_v | asac: bye .. ;) thanks again | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | hey guys | 16:04 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I agree with you ! the heart sucks :) | 16:05 |
| BUGabundo | asac: fta: I also solved most of my FF 3.7 probs and crashs | 16:08 |
| BUGabundo | darn hard too | 16:08 |
| BUGabundo | stupid Xmarks add on | 16:08 |
| BUGabundo | it would only crash FF *after* it tried to login to their servers | 16:08 |
| BUGabundo | that's why it was to hard to track down | 16:08 |
| mac__v | BUGabundo: heart will be fixed soon ;) | 16:32 |
| BUGabundo | YAY | 16:32 |
| === mac__v is now known as mac_v | ||
| BUGabundo | bbl. now time to have some fun :P #nortweeters | 17:16 |
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