[06:23] <Balsaq> !wireless
[06:24] <Balsaq> !cable
[06:24] <Balsaq> !road runner
[06:26] <Balsaq> !broadband
[06:26] <Balsaq> !dos
[06:26] <Balsaq> !10/100/1000
[06:27] <Balsaq> !lan
[06:27] <Balsaq> !ethernet
[06:27] <HedgeMage> Balsaq: Is there something I can help you with?
[06:27]  * HedgeMage gives the teacher look
[06:27] <Balsaq> well i am trying to learn
[06:28] <HedgeMage> Why don't you try asking a question, instead of abusing the bot?
[06:28] <Balsaq> seems like you all remain silent and prefer that newbies try to figure it ouy if possible
[06:28] <Balsaq> ok
[06:29] <HedgeMage> We're a small room, there isn't always someone active.  You just have to be patient.
[06:29] <HedgeMage> Now, preferably sans sarcasm, what are you trying to find out?
[06:29] <Balsaq> i came in here to try the bot thing because no one ever talks here from what i've seen
[06:29] <Balsaq> just trying too see what the bot can do for me
[06:30] <HedgeMage> did you know that you can play with the bot in pm so it doesn't flood the channel if that's all you're doing?
[06:30] <Balsaq> no but yeah that mekes sence i guess i am done with it
[06:31] <HedgeMage> np
[06:31] <HedgeMage> if you need a human, I'll be around a few more minutes before I go work out.
[06:31] <Balsaq> you are the 1st person who ever spoke when i passed thru here
[06:32] <Balsaq> i am on my 3rd day with ubuntu and ordered xubuntu and puppy also
[06:32] <HedgeMage> Keep in mind that there are 23 of us, not counting you and the two bots.  We're all volunteers, we all have jobs/school/families/etc to worry about, and we all live in different time zones.
[06:33] <HedgeMage> actually, 22 of us if you also eliminate duplicates
[06:33] <Balsaq> yes we woboth work full time also our time zone is eastern usa
[06:34] <Balsaq> i work 4-mid my wife is the teacher
[06:34]  * HedgeMage ndos
[06:34] <HedgeMage> *nods
[06:34] <HedgeMage> We are happy to help, it's just not very motivating when people are so impatient and snarky.
[06:34] <Balsaq> i hope i can help soon somehow
[06:35] <HedgeMage> There are plenty of places this project could use more volunteers. :)
[06:36] <Balsaq> like where...you mean tech support on here?
[06:36] <HedgeMage> Sure.  IRC support (where we are now), documentation, packaging, development, testing, etc.
[06:37] <HedgeMage> Laserjock, ogra, and some of the others here can give you a better run-down than I.  I mostly lurk these days due to a profound lack of free time.
[06:37] <Balsaq> if i am qualified to do any of that this early in the game i will start right away
[06:38] <HedgeMage> :D
[06:38] <HedgeMage> Yay :)
[06:38] <HedgeMage> Usually folks here are more active on weekdays.  Like you, I'm in the US so it is very late here.  The only reason I'm still online is insomnia.
[06:38] <HedgeMage> Speaking of which, I'm heading off to work out in the hope that it will help me sleep
[06:38] <HedgeMage> See you later. :)
[06:39] <Balsaq> i'm hooked i do this after work now all the time until it knocks me out....see you!
[06:39] <HedgeMage> :D
[06:39] <HedgeMage> bye
[06:40] <Balsaq> teach me all of it...
[06:41] <Balsaq> : ^ )
[06:42] <Balsaq> :V)
[11:25] <alkisg> For debugging purposes, I need to run an xterm *while still on gdm* and before the user logs in. Where would I put the run-xterm.sh file?
[15:06]  * alkisg just found out about clusterssh, and fell in love with it :)
[15:36] <alkisg> LaserJock: why are ltsp bugs part of edubuntu bugs?
[15:36] <LaserJock> because Edubuntu cares
[15:37] <LaserJock> we could not include them, but I think it'd be sort of a disservice to our users
[15:37] <alkisg> Well... do we include e.g. bind9 bugs?
[15:38] <LaserJock> no
[15:38] <LaserJock> because bind9 is taken care of by other people I believe
[15:38] <alkisg> Hmmm ok you know better
[15:38] <alkisg> In any case I think I can help with those bugs
[15:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: for LTSP there is 1 developer who takes care of it, stgraber
[15:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: if there was an Ubuntu LTSP team, etc. I'd probably not include it
[15:39] <alkisg> Yeah I know, and ogra helps sometimes even though it's not part of his job now
[15:39] <alkisg> Also sbalneav has helped in some of them
[15:40] <LaserJock> so for now I think Edubuntu is still the entry point for a lot of LTSP work
[15:40] <alkisg> OK. I'll read up a little on how to handle the bug reports
[15:40] <LaserJock> and since LTSP is a major portion of our user base I think it's in our interest to make sure it's in good shape ;-)
[15:40] <LaserJock> alkisg: awesome, thanks
[15:40] <alkisg> ...cause I know my way around ltsp, but sometimes I don't know how to respond properly ...
[15:40] <alkisg> k
[15:43] <LaserJock> alkisg: yeah, learning the policies and "culture" around bug triage helps and isn't too big of a hassle usually
[15:43] <stgraber> I'm pretty sure we have tons of fixed bug on LP for LTSP and probably even more with the next upload
[15:44] <alkisg> I'll first start marking the "fix commited/released" ones.
[15:46] <LaserJock> stgraber: yeah
[15:46] <LaserJock> I think there are a lot of such bugs
[15:46] <LaserJock> I want to get all the clutter cleared out
[15:46] <LaserJock> so then the bug list will be more meaningful
[16:32] <dgroos> Hi All
[16:33] <dgroos> I just restarted my server (remotely), then accessed it via NXclient
[16:33] <dgroos> and then started firefox and can't get anywhere--'server not found'.
[16:34] <dgroos> so went to terminal, typed 'ping google.com'
[16:34] <dgroos> and got reply, 'unknown host google.com'
[16:35] <dgroos> obviously there is some internet connection happening as I'm connecting to the server via the internet.
[16:36] <dgroos> I'm at a loss--can anyone give me kind of a high-level approach to troubleshooting this?
[16:38] <dgroos> For all I know there may be some issue at the school or district IT infrastructure that's blocking things so don't want to spend too much time on this at the moment if it is *their* problem.
[17:05] <dgroos> I used zenmap (gui for nmap) and it talks about an issue with dns.  Is dns part of my local server w/ltsp or is it just part of the server running the network to which my server is a part?
[17:06] <dgroos> still trying to see if this is a problem I need to deal with or if someone might be working on the school network at this time (I hope)
[17:23] <alkisg> dgroos: try cat /etc/resolv.conf to see if your dns is ok
[17:24] <dgroos> alkisg: thanks, I'll try...
[17:25] <dgroos> it replied: "# Generated by NtworkManager"
[17:25] <dgroos> ?
[17:25] <alkisg> You should have a "nameserver 10.160.31.1" entry there
[17:26] <alkisg> So that's your problem. What's your dns server address?
[17:26] <dgroos> sorry--that would be a computer outside of mine, somewhere on the wan?
[17:27] <alkisg> Yes, e.g. the router, or a server somewhere
[17:27] <dgroos> ran ifconfig and ... helpful info?
[17:27] <dgroos> OK can I get that how?
[17:28] <alkisg> Does your server have 2 ethernet cards?
[17:28] <dgroos> I'm sure I put that on a page when I got NAT working
[17:28] <dgroos> yes
[17:28] <alkisg> And the second nat, does it use dhcp?
[17:28] <alkisg> Or does it have a static ip?
[17:28] <alkisg> *the second ONE
[17:29] <dgroos> ah... someone just set up a squid server and also just gave me a static ip--I'd had a dynamic one.
[17:29] <alkisg> Right. Tell him to also give you the dns server
[17:29] <dgroos> the second one--the one connected to wan or my lan
[17:29] <alkisg> (or, you could try a command to find it out, if the *external* dhcp server is still enabled...)
[17:32] <dgroos> I just looked at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and it tells me the DNS_SERVER is that what I need?
[17:33] <alkisg> No. Try this: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
[17:33] <alkisg> (or eth1)
[17:33] <alkisg> (whatever your external nic is named)
[17:35] <dgroos> OK!  it has good info AND it also lists the old, dynamic address from before the switch to static.
[17:36] <alkisg> You need to get the dns0 from there and put it to /etc/resolv.conf
[17:36] <alkisg> # Generated by NetworkManager
[17:36] <alkisg> nameserver 10.160.31.1
[17:36] <alkisg> Something like that ^^^
[17:36] <dgroos> will do :)
[17:38] <dgroos> then reboot server?
[17:39] <alkisg> No
[17:39] <alkisg> It should work right away..
[17:40] <dgroos> and indeed it does :D
[17:40] <dgroos> and you indeed, are awesome!
[17:40] <dgroos> thanks!
[17:41] <alkisg> Yw :)
[17:41] <dgroos> Now I can continue my lesson plan with students using the internet for tomorrow.
[17:41] <dgroos> oh yeah, and breath, too.
[17:41] <alkisg> Heh :D
[19:56] <ccc1> how would I, from the commandline, change a user so that they can administer the system. I cannot login graphically to any of my admin accounts, only my user accounts are working
[19:57] <LaserJock> ccc1: I think they need to be in the admin group, I believe you can use usermod to change the groups a user belongs to
[19:57] <alkisg> Yup, usermod -a -G admin username
[19:59] <ccc1> "unable to lock password file". I guess I have to log out of the user to change them
[20:00] <alkisg> sudo
[20:00] <alkisg> sudo usermod -a -G admin username
[20:01]  * ccc1 thinks comments have been helpful but must logout to implement them
[20:04] <ccc1> hmm, didn't work
[20:05] <alkisg> ccc1: with `id username` you can see the groups of a user
[20:05] <alkisg> The user needs to logoff for the new groups to take effect
[20:08] <ccc1> yes, I logged off, added the user to admin, logged in. it still won't let me admin. I'm going to try creating a new user with admin
[20:10] <alkisg> ccc1: is that with some kind of remote connection, e.g. with ltsp?
[20:12] <ccc1> no its local. Its running under virtualbox, but that should be a proplem right?
[20:12] <alkisg> Nope
[20:13] <alkisg> What are you trying to admin?
[20:15] <ccc1> my admin accounts crash back to the gdm login. my user accounts to not. so i'm logging into my admin account to create or modify a user that has admin, so I have a graphical administrator account
[20:16] <ccc1> I'm loging in to admin account via terminal
[20:16] <ccc1> anywho, I've created a new admin user and am going to attempt to login to desktop there now
[20:17] <alkisg> ccc1: login with your user account and try ssh -X
[20:17] <alkisg> This way you'll be able to run programs as the admin user, even if you login as the normal user
[20:19] <ccc1> oh nice, so anybody can ssh into my system and do that? I don't think so, this is linux not OS X
[20:19] <alkisg> ccc1: they'd need an account to use ssh
[20:20] <alkisg> I'm just saying that if you: (1) login as user1, (2) run: ssh -X -l admin localhost, (3) run e.g. users-admin from inside that ssh, you'll be able to add users because you ran it as an admin
[20:20] <ccc1> tried ssh -X, "Could not resolve hostname". I'm not familiar with ssh, I have not setup ssh on my system. is it there by defult in ubuntu/edu
[20:21] <ccc1> "Connection refused"
[20:21] <alkisg> Ah, sorry, I thought you had that installed. It's easy to install if you want to, just a single line. Anyway, try what you were trying before.
[20:22]  * ccc1 logs out
[20:44] <ccc1> didn't work. in fact mu user account now just leaded by desktop/pinboard and *nothing* else. no panels, alt+F2 doesn't work. I can't even copy+paste from the keyboard. I don't know how but Windows is even messing up virtual systems because no flavor of ubuntu has ever given me these problems under virtualization using OS X or linux. I'm just gonna tell my boss to ditch windows for linux or I quit
[20:45] <ccc1> thank you for your help in this room. every is alot nicer and helpful here than in #ubuntu
[20:46]  * ccc1 goes to talks to his boss
[20:59] <ccc1> whoo! i'm fired! thank God! well, I won't be visiting from this computer again. see y'all later
[22:08] <ace_suares> that was funny!