[00:01] <mwhudson> Fly-Man-: yeah, you'll need a hosted branch for the translation export to work
[00:02] <Fly-Man-> okay, then I set it to the translations branch I made
[00:02] <Fly-Man-> that's hosted by Launchpad
[00:02] <Fly-Man-> that would work, right ?
[00:02] <mwhudson> ripps: you mean a way of reporting a bug on "the package of X in ~Y's ppa" ?
[00:02] <mwhudson> Fly-Man-: this branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~flyman/fusionforge/translations
[00:02] <mwhudson> Fly-Man-: yeah, should work
[00:02] <mwhudson> (i guess the push is still running?)
[00:03] <ripps> mwhudson: yeah, something like that
[00:03] <ripps> brb
[00:03] <mwhudson> ripps: i think it's in the "it would be nice but noone has quite figured out precisely what it means yet"
[00:03] <mwhudson> category
[00:04] <blueyed> I have locking problems, and "bzr break-lock lp-46123344:///~blueyed/b2evolution/dev/.bzr/branch/lock" (as suggested) says "Unsupported protocol"
[00:05] <mwhudson> blueyed: yeah, the message is wrong :/
[00:05] <mwhudson> blueyed: say bzr break-lock <url you push to>
[00:05] <mwhudson> (bzr break-lock :push will work if you don't usually type a url for push)
[00:06] <blueyed> I've used the "saved push location", and it worked. Thanks!
[00:07] <mwhudson> np
[00:07] <mwhudson> there's a bug on this, i think it might finally get fixed some time before the heat death of the universe...
[01:39] <Fly-Man-> mwhudson: Any idea when the import queue is being processed
[01:39] <Fly-Man-> or when the export on translation will be ?
[01:39] <wgrant> Exports are done once a day.
[01:40] <wgrant> I think bzr imports should be done fairly quickly, though.
[01:41] <wgrant> Fly-Man-: ^^
[01:41] <Fly-Man-> wgrant: translation file imports ?
[01:41] <Fly-Man-> as I still see them in the iport queue
[01:42] <wgrant> Ah, once they're in the queue it could take a while. I'm not sure how long, but I would expect only a few hours unless they're in the 'Needs Review' status.
[01:43] <Fly-Man-> they're in the Needs Review
[01:44] <wgrant> Fly-Man-: In that case they need manual approval from a Launchpad Translations developer, which is unlikely to happen before Monday.
[01:44] <wgrant> (fortunately they only need manual approval once)
[01:44] <Fly-Man-> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/fusionforge/trunk/+imports
[01:45] <Fly-Man-> I had it pull from the bzr trunk that was pulled
[02:48] <jderose> hello, is there anyway to delete a pending build if you no longer need it?  i deleting it from my ppa, but it still shows up in my needs building builds.
[02:51] <wgrant> jderose: No. It will proceed through the queue as normal, but I believe once it gets to the end it will basically be cancelled because the source has been deleted.
[02:51] <jderose> wgrant: okay, thanks
[03:11] <tzicatl> Hi every body. I want to make some debs and make the public using launchpad's PPA system. But It seems powerpc is not supported.
[03:11] <tzicatl> Can I build them by myself and them upload them to PPA?
[03:12] <ScottK> tzicatl: No.
[03:16] <tzicatl> ScottL: OK.. thanks!!
[03:31] <wgrant> tzicatl: There is a good reason that you can't upload them yourself: if I don't trust you but want to install the packages from your PPA, I just have to verify the diff in your source package. I know that the binaries are built from that, so if I trust the source I can trust the binaries.
[03:31] <wgrant> If you were allowed to upload binaries yourself, you could upload binaries with malicious code that wasn't in the sources, and the path of trust would be broken.
[03:38] <bjsnider> what's the process as far as creating a private ppa?
[03:39] <wgrant> bjsnider: You'd be better off asking during the working week.
[03:39] <bjsnider> so i'd have to specifically request it, and it's not something i can set up myself?
[03:39] <wgrant> That's right.
[03:40] <bjsnider> i see
[03:40] <bjsnider> what are the rules for naming ppas now? i can't seem to get it right
[03:41] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[03:41] <bjsnider> i tried to create a new ppa, and it rejected the name
[03:41] <bjsnider> all lowercase letters
[03:41] <bjsnider> more than 2 characters
[03:42] <bjsnider> but there must be something else
[03:42] <wgrant> How did it reject it?
[03:42] <bjsnider> it just said there was an error in the name
[03:42] <wgrant> You don't have an old disabled PPA by the same name?
[03:42] <bjsnider> no
[03:42] <wgrant> And it's not 'ubuntu'?
[03:43] <bjsnider> no
[03:43] <wgrant> Is it complaining about the name, or the display name?
[03:44] <bjsnider> ppa name "testing ppa" is rejected as invalid
[03:44] <bjsnider> not the displayname. that's fine
[03:44] <wgrant> I see a space there.
[03:45] <wgrant> => not all lowercase letters
[03:45] <wgrant> It's used in URLs, so may not have a space.
[03:45] <bjsnider> Names must be at least two characters long and start with a letter or number. All letters must be lower-case.
[03:45] <bjsnider> those are the only rules
[03:45] <wgrant> It could have a hyphen, however.
[03:45] <bjsnider> it doesn't say anything about spaces
[03:45] <wgrant> Apparently not.
[03:46] <wgrant> "The characters +, - and . are also allowed after the first character."
[03:46] <wgrant> Which suggests that spaces are not.
[03:46] <bjsnider> suggests
[03:47] <tzicatl> wgrant: Not trusting binary packages seems a good reason why disallow uploading binary packages to PPA ..
[04:41] <RenatoSilva> is ti my impression or new LP interface has introduced some bugs ?
[04:42] <RenatoSilva> for example, can't delet milestones, can't propose new reviews in merge proposals, and diffs in these proposals are not being updated as LP 3.0 blog entry stands about
[04:50] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Can't propose new reviews?
[04:51] <wgrant> And I have seen diffs updated, although some of them are failing.
[04:52] <wgrant> Milestone deletion also works fine for me. Have you filed a bug mentioning an OOPS ID?
[05:11] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: sorry, actually if I use the option on the right, resubmit review or so, then it works, but if you use the option on the left, right below current reviewer and status, then it won't work and that's what I mean
[05:12] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I've reported the oops id here a few time, with no answer :(
[05:16] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: IRC is not a bug tracker.
[05:19] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: we gather all the oops automatically, and try to figure out why
[05:19] <lifeless> they can have many causes. If you have an oops on something you want to do, and discussing it here doesn't get a response from a developer, please file a bug.
[06:35] <lamalex> Can anyone explain to me how automatic translation exports work? Will it literally make a commit to my branch? When does it do this?
[06:36] <wgrant> lamalex: It will literally commit to your branch.
[06:36] <wgrant> I think it does it daily, if files have changed.
[06:37] <lamalex> wgrant: pretty cool
[07:06] <happyaron> how to mirror a git branch into a launchpad bzr branch?
[07:07] <wgrant> happyaron: https://code.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new
[07:07] <happyaron> thx
[09:53] <wgrant> lifeless: Sorry. Bug #437535 is not a bug, but sorta my fault.
[09:54] <wgrant> lifeless: Can you pastebin or attach the email with headers so I can see which bug yours is a duplicate of?
[09:59] <lifeless> enjoy
[09:59] <lifeless> not sure why you say its not a bug :P
[10:00] <wgrant> lifeless: There's a per-person flag.
[10:01] <lifeless> 'include_useful_data' ?
[10:01] <wgrant> verbose_bug_notifications, actually.
[10:01] <wgrant> That's interesting.
[10:01] <wgrant> It's not fallout from my change.
[10:01] <lifeless> what does that mean? It sounds like something I'd want off
[10:02] <wgrant> It just includes the status information in the footer.
[10:02] <lifeless> not the summary & description?
[10:02] <wgrant> Description too, sorry.
[10:02] <wgrant> Summary is always present, I believe.
[10:02] <lifeless> right, which is terrible
[10:02] <lifeless> sumamry is the mail subject
[10:03] <wgrant> So, I think if you check your bug mail, those directed at you should never have had the status information.
[10:03] <lifeless> so I think the relevant project should always be included, except for exceptional bugs it should be nore more than 2 or 3 lines
[10:03] <wgrant> Those going to ~bzr probably would have, but won't have since 3.0.
[10:04] <wgrant> You can turn it back on if you wish.
[10:04] <lifeless> I want the project, not the sometimes pages long description
[10:04]  * lifeless shoves his user hat on firmly
[10:05] <wgrant> File a bug!
[10:05] <lifeless> I did!
[10:05] <lifeless> we're discussing it ;)
[10:05] <wgrant> Either turn that into the new one, or file a new one.
[10:05] <wgrant> Heh.
[10:05] <lifeless> I think you'll find that it is the new one
[10:05] <lifeless> I only talk about the affected project/package in my bug report
[10:14] <wgrant> lifeless: You say it was there, and now is not. That's not the bug you speak of here.
[10:15] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm confused
[10:19] <wgrant> lifeless: You say in the bug that the information is no longer present. Now you say you want a set of information that was never present.
[10:20] <lifeless> wgrant: it used to say, amongst other things, the project the task was on
[10:20] <wgrant> right. But you don't want the other things, do you?
[10:21] <lifeless> no, but I don't see how thats relevant to my rather specific bug
[10:21] <lifeless> wearing a users hat here, remember
[10:21] <wgrant> Your bug just says you want the old stuff back.
[10:21] <wgrant> When you actually want just a subset.
[10:22] <lifeless> well
[10:22] <lifeless> you're upcasting my description
[10:22] <lifeless> I describe project/package and request that back.
[10:22] <wgrant> (to get it all back, hit the checkbox at the bottom of https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit)
[10:22] <wgrant> True.
[10:22] <wgrant> True true.
[10:22] <lifeless> I don't request other stuff
[10:22]  * wgrant mutates the description, if Launchpad will today so permit.
[10:23] <lifeless> it sounds like 'you can get it back but you will get more back' is something that should be recorded.
[10:23] <lifeless> and I can then say 'ah, but I love not getting the descriptions as they are noise except in the first mail of a bug thread'
[10:24] <lifeless> wgrant: another useful datum: I don't particular care in the non-first mail of a bug thread.
[10:24] <lifeless> wgrant: its the *first mail* where lp doesn't tell me which project the bug is for that this is particularly headache making
[10:26] <wgrant> lifeless: I think it's always useful to have, but maybe only if one is dealing with lots of bugs.
[10:27] <lifeless> I don't have an opinion about whether 'always on' or 'optional' is appropriate here. *I'd*'d put it always on if coding it myself
[10:32] <mdke> am I right that Launchpad has stopped sending notification emails for commits on branches to the individual that makes the commit?
[10:32] <wgrant> mdke: I don't believe so. That would make me very unhappy.
[10:32] <mdke> yeah, me too
[10:33] <wgrant> mdke: Not Gmail being stupid?
[10:33] <mdke> just a problem with email delivery then
[10:34] <mdke> I don't think it could be gmail stupidity, because all the emails are from noreply@
[10:34] <wgrant> Oh, true.
[10:34] <wgrant> I don't quite know how Gmail behaves, as I haven't used it for many years.
[10:35] <mdke> I'll file a question
[10:35] <wgrant> You're getting other commits from that branch?
[10:35] <wgrant> Similar sorts of commits?
[10:35] <mdke> not necessarily
[10:36] <mdke> the last 9 commits have all been by me, and I'm missing those only
[10:36] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:36] <mdke> I had a previous one by me from a few days ago
[10:36] <mdke> what's the right project to file a question on?
[10:37] <wgrant> Let's see what sort of questions launchpad-code has...
[10:37] <wgrant> I'd go with launchpad-code, I think.
[10:38] <mdke> yep, looks ok to me, thanks
[10:41] <Kmos> hi
[10:41] <Kmos> there is any reason to bzr push get stuck and doesn't finish?
[10:42] <Kmos> kmos@kmos:~/packages/apport-debian$ bzr push lp:~gothicx/apport/credentials_broken -v
[10:42] <Kmos> [##################- ] Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Walking content 2095/2249
[10:42] <Kmos> in karmic.. it worked fine two weeks ago
[10:42] <Kmos> kmos      1882  0.0  0.2   5700  2516 pts/1    S    10:38   0:00 ssh -oForwardX11=no -oForwardAgent=no -oClearAllForwardings=yes -oProtocol=2 -oNoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost=yes -l gothicx bazaar.launchpad.net bzr serve --inet --directory=/ --allow-writes
[10:42] <Kmos> i see this
[10:43] <lifeless> Kmos: its probably doing a just-in-time update
[10:43] <lifeless> which means 'show' not 'stuck'
[10:43] <lifeless> compare bzr info nostmart+:push -v
[10:43] <lifeless> with bzr info -v
[10:44] <lifeless> s/show/slow and update/upgrade
[10:45] <Kmos> http://paste.debian.net/47617/
[10:46] <spiv> I'm surprised "nostmart" even worked.  lifeless meant "nosmart".
[10:47] <Kmos> the nosmart command doesn't show anything
[10:47] <Kmos> wait, it's showiing
[10:48] <Kmos> http://paste.debian.net/47618/
[10:48] <wgrant> Yep, it's converting.
[10:49] <wgrant> (the remote branch appears to be format 2a, the local format rich-root-pack)
[10:50] <wgrant> Kmos: Any idea why your local branch is rich-root-pack?
[10:52] <Kmos> wgrant: no.. i didn't execute any command
[10:52] <Kmos> only bzr commit
[10:54] <Kmos> so, if I do the push, it will convert it after some time?
[11:07] <Kmos> i've done bzr upgrade and pushed, and it works now
[11:07] <Kmos> thank you
[11:32] <geser> it might be OT but does somebody know where to file bugs about irclogs.ubuntu.com?
[11:34] <wgrant> geser: I'd poke in #canonical-sysadmin
[11:35] <jpds> geser: rt@ubuntu.com
[12:40] <Meths> Can everyone else see code.launchpad.net?
[12:49] <mdke> Meths: I can
[12:53] <Meths> okay, thanks
[14:58] <vadi2> I'm having trouble finding the option to copy a package from another ppa into mine since lp 3.0. Didn't find anything in the help files either. Can anyone assist?
[14:59] <vadi2> nm, finally found it :-/
[15:03] <Phurl> Hi there, did i kill the server http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kosova/+junk/openstreetmapkosova/revision/65
[15:03] <Phurl> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kosova/+junk/openstreetmapkosova/revision/64
[15:03] <Phurl> and others are broken
[15:25] <Phurl> ok it is ok now
[19:50] <Scurz> hey
[19:50] <Scurz> Can you make private a launchpa mailing list ?
[22:15] <idnar> hrm
[22:16] <idnar> if a merge proposal review is requested from a team I'm a member of, it doesn't show up on my ~user/+activereviews page
[22:16] <idnar> is there another page I can look at, or something?
[22:21] <mwhudson> idnar: that's a deliberate decision apparently, and i think it was a bad one
[22:22] <idnar> I can understand why you might not want it, but it would be nice to have the choice
[22:37] <idnar> "If you simply want to approve the proposal, using merge approved will also implicitly add an equivalent review approve unless you specify a review command separately. "
[22:37] <idnar> oh whoops
[22:37] <idnar> I forgot to GPG sign
[22:37] <idnar> that always catches me :/
[22:37] <idnar> it might be nice if Launchpad threw back an error instead of adding a useless comment to the merge proposal
[22:41] <joaopinto> hello
[22:41] <joaopinto> trying to update a bug description I get "Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document.", is this a known bug ?
[22:47] <penguin42> I'd like to suggest that the new reportingbugs page has something to make it easier for people to report doesn't-boot/doesn't install type bugs - I can see ubuntu-bug and friends is right for a booting system; but if it's DoA having to piece together URLs for a new user where it just doesn't install on his machine is too hard
[22:48] <joaopinto> argh, found it https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/423924
[23:30] <mac9416> Hello, somehow my Launchpad OpenID knows what my address is and is trying to send it to landscape.canonical.com :-/ How can I edit the info included with my OpenID?
[23:31] <lifeless> log into launchpad
[23:31] <lifeless> click on your name on the top right
[23:34] <mac9416> lifeless, yessir, and all my usual info is there to edit, but certainly not my address.
[23:35] <mac9416> Let me describe to you what I see at the login page....
[23:35] <mac9416> "These details will be sent to Canonical:"
[23:35] <mac9416> "* mac9416"
[23:35] <mac9416> "* mac9416"
[23:35] <mac9416> "* <email address>"
[23:36] <mac9416> "<street address>"
[23:36] <mac9416> "* <city>"
[23:36] <mac9416> And the rest of the address. :-/
[23:36] <lifeless> I have no idea how/where launchpad would be storing that
[23:36] <mac9416> I never gave it that info either!
[23:37] <mac9416> And it's got my phone number.
[23:37] <mac9416> Nothing short of creepy.
[23:37] <penguin42> mac9416: Have you given it to any other ubuntu.com sites?
[23:37] <wgrant> It knows that because of ShipIt.
[23:37] <mac9416> Ah I see.
[23:37] <mac9416> ShipIt would know that.
[23:37] <ia> hello. I'm worrying a bit, that package, which has been successfully uploaded ~3 hours ago, still in pending state - is this normal?
[23:37] <mac9416> Any way I can remove it?
[23:37] <wgrant> It will only send it to approved sites, which are probably only Landscape and ShipIt.
[23:38] <wgrant> ia: No. Link?
[23:38] <ia> wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/~iaz/+archive/gtk/+packages
[23:38] <mac9416> wgrant, I frankly don't want it hanging onto any of my personal info unless I tell it that it's a permanent part of my openID.
[23:38] <wgrant> ia: Oh, the *builds* are pending. That's not normal, but not unheard of. It just means the build farm is a little busy.
[23:39] <wgrant> ia: If you look at the build pages, it seems that they should start soon.
[23:39] <wgrant> mac9416: Maybe file a bug.
[23:39] <mac9416> wgrant, so is there no way I can remove that/request it be removed?
[23:39] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: Hi. I don't know why but milestone deletion worked for me now :)
[23:40] <mac9416> wgrant, OK I'll do that.
[23:40] <mac9416> Thanks.
[23:40] <wgrant> mac9416: I don't know.
[23:40] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Odd. Was it a timeout before?
[23:40] <RenatoSilva> any problem with translation auto export? I have changes imported, but they were not committed to the target branch
[23:41] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: For how long have they been there?
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: several timeouts if it was
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: a few days
[23:41] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: But were they timeout OOPSes, or normal OOPSes?
[23:41] <lifeless> mac9416: file a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[23:41] <lifeless> mac9416: asking for it to be removed
[23:42] <lifeless> mac9416: and separately we'll need a bug to write a UI to edit it directly.
[23:42] <mac9416> lifeless, OK, thanks much. :-)
[23:43] <ia> wgrant: hm, i'm asking about this, because before that i've looked at https://edge.launchpad.net/builders and looks like that there is a couple of available machines. However, thanks for clarifying.
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: can't recall now, do you have logs in this channel? search for RenatoSilva.*oops-id or so...
[23:44] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: let me show the translation....
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> https://translations.launchpad.net/moin-solenoid/trunk/+pots/moin-solenoid/pt_BR/+translate ---> 14 translations but target branch is still outdated: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/moin-solenoid/translations
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: ^
[23:50] <RenatoSilva> is it possible to require ownsership of an abandoned project?
[23:50] <mwhudson> i think there's some problem with translations export to branch currently
[23:50] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Not sure about the translations issue, and all the people who do know had better be asleep.
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks anyway
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> I'll wait
[23:52] <RenatoSilva> what about ownership, I want to use LP to translate Moin, but I suspect the owner of moinmoin project doesn't use LP anymore and the project is abandoned