[00:00] <HeyJued> Hello
[01:11] <Rocket2DMn> uh oh, do we have system documentation on grub2?
[01:11] <Rocket2DMn> for karmic that is
[02:19] <pmatulis> does the documentation project touch man pages?
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> pmatulis, not usually, those are typically the domain of the package it applies to
[02:45] <pmatulis> puttering around here for the first time, first file i checked does not validate.  (ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/clustering.xml)   can someone quickly say what is wrong with line 52?
[02:46] <Rocket2DMn> pmatulis, are you working on that file?
[02:46] <pmatulis> Rocket2DMn: i did make a trivial correction.  not line 52 however
[02:48] <Rocket2DMn> pmatulis, the problem is that you are validating directly on that file, you should be validating on serverguide/C/serverguide.xml
[02:48] <pmatulis> Rocket2DMn: ah ok
[02:49] <pmatulis> Rocket2DMn: got it, thanks
[02:49] <Rocket2DMn> sure thing
[02:55] <pmatulis> Rocket2DMn: i'm going through the motions for the first time, is making a patch for a very trivial update acceptable?
[03:00] <Rocket2DMn> for the development branch, sure
[03:00] <Rocket2DMn> String Freeze is in a few days, so any patches need to be in before then
[03:02] <pmatulis> are you saying that after SF, the online serverguide, for instance, can no longer be changed?
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> pmatulis, after string freeze, you need an exception to change something
[03:09] <pmatulis> ok
[03:10] <seidos> greetings
[03:10] <j1mc> hi seidos
[03:11] <seidos> j1mc: I'd like to join a team
[03:11] <j1mc> seidos: cool - what team would you like to join?
[03:12] <seidos> j1mc: I was thinking the one that I could do the most good in.  I was thinking marketing and/or documentation, though I'm open to other options
[03:12] <j1mc> ok... sounds good.
[03:13] <seidos> j1mc: what team(s) are you member of?
[03:13] <j1mc> do you know what you might want to document, or are you not sure?
[03:13] <j1mc> what ideas did you have in mind?
[03:14] <Zachk18> welcome seidos
[03:14] <seidos> ideas re: documentation, I don't really have much in that regard
[03:14] <seidos> Zachk18: greetings
[03:14] <Zachk18> seidos, so you like documentation?
[03:14] <seidos> documentation is great :)
[03:14] <Zachk18> ok do you have a wiki page made?
[03:15] <Zachk18> also do you have a launchpad account and have you signed the COC
[03:15] <j1mc> seidos: do you use ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, or another flavor of ubuntu?
[03:15] <seidos> hmmm let's see, I'm on launchpad
[03:16] <Zachk18> j1mc, you got this? if so i'm gonna check the unanswered posts on the forums
[03:16] <seidos> I use ubuntu
[03:16] <seidos> I do have a page on launchpad, but not sure what the url is off hand
[03:16] <seidos> and ubuntu server
[03:16] <Zachk18> seidos, have you signed the Code of Conduct?
[03:16] <seidos> Zachk18: no on the CoC
[03:17] <Zachk18> ok well you should do that and also join the #ubuntu-beginners channel and ask for help with setting up a wiki page
[03:17] <seidos> all right
[03:17] <seidos> maybe a document for how to join an ubuntu team
[03:17] <j1mc> Zachk18: those sound like good tips... good ways to start.
[03:18] <Zachk18> j1mc, i try
[03:18] <seidos> https://launchpad.net/~kevindemarest
[03:18] <Zachk18> seidos, were you asking for a page to go to? or suggesting a new page you would like to make
[03:18] <j1mc> seidos: do you have any kind of special experience thus far, or are you more just getting started?
[03:19] <seidos> Zachk18: when?
[03:19] <Zachk18> j1mc, good question
[03:19] <Zachk18> seidos, when what
[03:19] <seidos> j1mc: special experience?
[03:20] <Zachk18> seidos, he meant do you have anything your especially good at or some field that you have more experience in than others
[03:20] <j1mc> seidos: like, do you know a lot about a certain linux-related topic or language, or are you just getting started?
[03:20] <seidos> not really
[03:20] <seidos> I'm not particularly good at anything.
[03:20] <j1mc> :)
[03:20] <Zachk18> seidos, then you need a mentor
[03:20] <Zachk18> seidos, how old are you
[03:20] <seidos> but I suppose I may find it difficult to quantify my skills
[03:21] <seidos> are you speaking particularly about linux?
[03:21] <seidos> correction, we speaking
[03:21] <seidos> Zachk18: I'm 30
[03:22] <missaugustina> Hi seidos, welcome!
[03:22] <Zachk18> seidos, ok...well you should request a mentor from the BT team
[03:22] <seidos> hi missaugustina
[03:22] <j1mc> seidos: here is some info for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/
[03:22] <Zachk18> if i was a master i would take you on
[03:22] <seidos> Zachk18: what is BT?
[03:22] <Zachk18> Beginners Team
[03:22] <seidos> thank you
[03:22] <missaugustina> I don't think age has anything to do with anything :) Thanks for your interest in the team!
[03:22] <Zachk18> missaugustina, i asked because of the ynu group
[03:23] <missaugustina> Seidos, there are some great starting places for getting involved with the Doc team
[03:23] <seidos> whatever works :)
[03:23] <missaugustina> This is a list of current tasks - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks
[03:23] <missaugustina> It's not totally up to date but it's a good starting point
[03:23] <Zachk18> well just start with the different teams and see what you think you might fit in with best...there is always a place for somebody
[03:23] <missaugustina> On that page is a link to bugs in the documentation
[03:24] <j1mc> missaugustina is right. :) there are lots of resources.
[03:24] <j1mc> here's some info on some of the documentation related teams and what they work on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization
[03:24] <missaugustina> A great way to get started with the doc team is to look at the list of bugs and see if there's something you'd like to work on.
[03:25] <Zachk18> seidos, if you would like to see some links go here to my page.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zachk18
[03:25] <missaugustina> Sometimes there are really simple things like simple copy editing. Other times there are opportunities for bigger projects.
[03:25] <seidos> ~missaugustina: I worked on a bug a little while ago that was listed on launchpad.
[03:25] <missaugustina> You should also scan the archives of the doc team mailing list and see if any projects are being discussed that look interesting to you.
[03:26] <missaugustina> Awesome! Was it a doc team bug or for another team?
[03:26] <seidos> how do you organize all the pages?
[03:26] <seidos> that people send you?
[03:26] <seidos> you being anyone :)
[03:26] <missaugustina> In the doc team there are two different sets of documentation.
[03:26] <missaugustina> System docs and the Wiki
[03:26] <seidos> missaugustina: it was a bug listed for an atheros wifi problem
[03:26] <seidos> missaugustina: system docs?
[03:27] <missaugustina> The system docs are what you see in the Gnome helper application.
[03:27]  * seidos clicks system and looks for docs :)
[03:27] <missaugustina> So if you go to Ubuntu help that's what we do :)
[03:27] <seidos> !gnomehelper
[03:27] <ubot4> Factoid 'gnomehelper' not found
[03:27] <j1mc> !yelp
[03:27] <ubot4> Factoid 'yelp' not found
[03:27] <j1mc> :/
[03:27] <seidos> !syntax
[03:27] <ubot4> Hi! I'm #ubuntu-doc's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:27] <missaugustina> Ubuntu Help Center?
[03:27] <missaugustina> !ubuntu-help
[03:27] <ubot4> Factoid 'ubuntu-help' not found
[03:28] <missaugustina> hrm
[03:28] <j1mc> !nixternal
[03:28] <ubot4> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!
[03:28] <missaugustina> Go to System > Help and Support
[03:28] <seidos> ah
[03:28] <seidos> I never use that
[03:28] <missaugustina> That's the system docs :)
[03:29] <j1mc> :)
[03:29] <j1mc> lol
[03:29] <seidos> interesting
[03:29] <missaugustina> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[03:29] <missaugustina> Information on the wiki docs is here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki
[03:29] <seidos> oh yeah, I did update a how to
[03:30] <missaugustina> The pages that are submitted to the System Docs are submitted through a version control system called Bazaar
[03:30] <seidos> for setting up netboot/pxe
[03:30] <missaugustina> The pages submitted to the Wiki are managed by the wiki engine, MoinMoin
[03:30] <seidos> I just changed gutsy to hardy
[03:30] <seidos> forgot
[03:30] <missaugustina> Are  you using a netbook?
[03:30] <missaugustina> I am too!
[03:30] <seidos> I am not
[03:30] <seidos> weird
[03:30] <seidos> missaugustina: you are too what?
[03:30] <missaugustina> Oh I thought you were using a netbook
[03:31] <seidos> missaugustina: why?
[03:31] <missaugustina> Nevermind, you updated a how to on the wiki?
[03:31] <seidos> missaugustina: yeah
[03:31] <seidos> I changed one word
[03:32] <missaugustina> Ok well that's a start :)
[03:32] <seidos> hmmmm
[03:32] <seidos> someone mentioned mentorship
[03:32] <missaugustina> If that's the kind of stuff you are interested in doing more of, then the Doc team is the place for you :)
[03:32] <missaugustina> It's kind of informal.
[03:32] <missaugustina> Basically just pick something that you want to work on and ask the list for help.
[03:32] <seidos> I want to do everything, but I have to start somewhere
[03:32] <missaugustina> Or get on IRC
[03:33] <seidos> all right, thank you for your time
[03:33] <missaugustina> Are there any subject areas you're particularly interested in?
[03:33] <seidos> I get the feeling I'm taking you away from something
[03:33] <seidos> Xorg/gnome
[03:33] <seidos> what about yourself?
[03:34] <seidos> I'm particularly interested in results
[03:34] <missaugustina> The current projects I'm working on are on my wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AugustinaBlair/
[03:34] <missaugustina> Results?
[03:35] <seidos> accomplishments
[03:35] <seidos> accomplishing
[03:35] <missaugustina> Well if you're interested in Xorg/Gnome, definitely post to the ubuntu-doc list if you want to help out with those docs.
[03:35] <missaugustina> Phil Bull is also on the Gnome Doc team and might have some suggestions :)
[03:35] <seidos> I need to read everything y'all gave me
[03:36] <seidos> brb
[03:36] <missaugustina> OK, well enjoy! And feel free to hop on IRC or ping the mailing list if you have any questions.
[03:37] <seidos> I'm always on
[03:37] <seidos> thank you
[04:08] <XDevHald> mdke: You around?
[04:16] <XDevHald> Anyone available?
[04:18] <Rocket2DMn> I'm sure mdke is asleep, what can I do for ya XDevHald ?
[04:18] <j1mc> hi Rocket2DMn
[04:18] <Rocket2DMn> hey j1mc , how you doing
[04:18] <j1mc> good thx :)
[04:18] <XDevHald> Hey Rocket, just need some guidance on what needs to be done. I've been in this project 3 years ago, but need an update of what needs to be worked on.
[04:19] <j1mc> you?
[04:19] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, watching my Trojans beat up on washington state
[04:19] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, well bugs are tracked here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[04:19] <j1mc> :)
[04:19] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, string freeze is Oct1, so anything that gets done on system docs needs to be in before then
[04:20] <XDevHald> Ah the Karmic release
[04:20] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> yeah XDevHald , Karmic is fast approaching
[04:21] <XDevHald> Aye
[04:21] <XDevHald> Lookin forward to it
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, if you want to jump into something right away, I just filed a bug a bit ago for getting Grub2 documentation written
[04:21] <Rocket2DMn> bug 437446
[04:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 437446 in ubuntu-docs "Need documentation on Grub2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437446
[04:22] <XDevHald> Connor?
[04:22] <Rocket2DMn> yes
[04:22] <XDevHald> Ok, I'm Steven
[04:22] <Rocket2DMn> good to meet you steven
[04:23] <XDevHald> This was talked about earlier today for Grub2 not being in documentation for Karmic. (You as well)
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> and welcome back :)
[04:23] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, was it really?  I didn't catch that discussion
[04:23] <XDevHald> Thanks. Glad to be back 3 years later
[04:23] <XDevHald> Yeah, one sec
[04:24] <XDevHald> Nevermind, chat broke off...
[04:24] <XDevHald> Hat xChat
[04:24] <XDevHald> Hate*
[04:25] <Rocket2DMn> lol, yeah we had some discussions in here earlier today, guess I missed that one
[04:25] <XDevHald> Hehe sorry.
[04:25] <Rocket2DMn> what was the summary of the discussion?  Did they recognize that we dont have any grub2 documentation?
[04:25] <XDevHald> one sec wife is talking
[04:26] <XDevHald> Wife is trying to get me to have another baby in 5 years, she's crazy...
[04:26] <XDevHald> Women...
[04:28] <XDevHald> Anywho, sorry went off topic. The discussion was about implementing the documentation for full release on Karmic with Grub2 provided, it didn't go into extent for the full documentary and that was when it cut me off.
[04:28] <Rocket2DMn> well I think there just needs to be mention of it where there is currently documentation on grub
[04:28] <Rocket2DMn> if nothing else, link to documentation somewhere else
[04:29] <Rocket2DMn> just cant expect beginners to know the difference between grub and grub2, so pointing out that there is a difference and that they are modified differently is important
[04:29] <XDevHald> I'm reading the document for this on Grub2 and the difference is there, but not recommended for beginners.
[04:30] <Rocket2DMn> right, but grub2 will be stnadard on new installs of Karmic, so it needs to be there
[04:30] <XDevHald> Ah ok, didn't know that part.
[04:31] <XDevHald> Thought this was an option for Karmic upgrading.
[04:31] <Rocket2DMn> yeah hav ea look at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
[04:31] <Rocket2DMn> people who upgrade will keep their pre-existing bootloader
[04:31] <Rocket2DMn> fresh installs will use grub2
[04:32] <XDevHald> Here's the deal though, this upgrade for Alpha 6 knocks out the bootloader for dualboot if you have more than one OS correct?
[04:32] <Rocket2DMn> um, not that i've heard
[04:32] <Rocket2DMn> is that true?
[04:32] <XDevHald> Ok, let me show you.
[04:33] <Rocket2DMn> it may be that during development it does
[04:33]  * XDevHald nods his head very strongly
[04:33] <Rocket2DMn> during stable release, grub2 should only be installed if you do a fresh install of karmic (that includes if you are dual booting)
[04:33] <XDevHald> Sounds good.
[04:33] <Rocket2DMn> if I've misunderstood the intention, by all means correct me
[04:34] <XDevHald> When installing Ubuntu from Alpha 6 in a dual-boot configuration with another operating system, such as Windows Vista, the grub2 configuration will not present an option to boot to the other OS. Investigation of this issue is ongoing. (430141)
[04:34] <XDevHald> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430141
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430141 in ubiquity "Vista is not showing up in grub2" [High,Fix released]
[04:34] <XDevHald> I think you already knew this one.
[04:34] <Rocket2DMn> ah ok
[04:34] <Rocket2DMn> i havent tested with a dual boot, but i think i heard that.  Looks like it was fixed though
[04:35] <XDevHald> I hope so, cause this is keeping me from grabbing alpha 6 with XP on dualboot
[04:35] <Rocket2DMn> If you get a daily build, it should be OK i think
[04:36] <XDevHald> Ok. With the Nvidia drivers, has this been touched for Xorg? The 2.6.x.-31-generic is not compatible for some reason.
[04:37] <XDevHald> Pulls up a black screen with the back end showing scroll lines.
[04:37] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not sure, restricted drivers always seem to be a problem in dev testing.  my testing laptop uses open source radeon drivers
[04:39] <XDevHald> I'll stick with 9.04 for now.
 XDevHald, if you want to jump into something right away, I just filed a bug a bit ago for getting Grub2 documentation written
 bug 437446
[04:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 437446 in ubuntu-docs "Need documentation on Grub2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437446
[04:41] <XDevHald> How do you want this documented?
[04:42] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, i listed xml files that i saw reference to grub in
[04:42] <Rocket2DMn> I would think that anywhere it talks about configuring grub, there should be mention of grub2 as well
[04:43] <Rocket2DMn> Since we're so close to string freeze, I don't think it needs to be advanced.  It would be cool to have documentation mirroring what exists for grub, but if that's not feasible, then just a mention and a link to external documentaiton would be ok
[04:44] <Rocket2DMn> I think we could probably make a Community Docs page for it.  For now it can redirect to the team wiki page i gave in the bug
[04:44] <Rocket2DMn> I know some people who can populate the page with some basic info though
[04:45] <Rocket2DMn> we can put a wiki page here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[04:46] <Rocket2DMn> and redirect it to the team wiki until it gets real info on it
[04:46] <Rocket2DMn> I'll do that now
[04:47] <Rocket2DMn> ok, the redirect is in place
[04:47] <XDevHald> ;-)
[04:49] <XDevHald> I am currently pulling Alpha 6 from the release distro repo for testing, and leaving the generic -15 from 2.6.x so it doesn't pull me under. This way I can do some testing with grub2
[04:49] <XDevHald> With the wiki page, I'll do as you requested and start on it tomorrow morning.
[04:50] <Rocket2DMn> sounds good XDevHald , thanks for contributing!
[04:50] <XDevHald> Anytime bro. My head is fried from today and if you as if this went over my head, it didn't I am just cooked.
[04:51] <Rocket2DMn> understood, take it easy dude
[04:51] <XDevHald> You too.
[15:35] <LaserJock> I need some wiki help
[15:36] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get a full list of Edubuntu wiki pages, but the CategoryEdubuntu page only lists some I think
[15:36] <LaserJock> is there some way to get Edubuntu/*
[16:11] <Rocket2DMn> LaserJock, have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex#idxE
[17:06] <XDevHald> Rocket2dMn: Give me a few mins and I'll work on that wiki discussion from last night on Grub2.
[17:07] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, groovy
[17:07] <Rocket2DMn> you can post a patch on the bug and somebody with privileges will commit it if they approve
[17:09] <XDevHald> Sounds good.
[17:54] <j1mc> hey all: check out a working draft of the xubuntu-docs start page: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Documentation/Startpage/xubuntu-index.html
[17:54] <j1mc> this is the lead-in page before you actually get to the system docs.
[17:55] <j1mc> it won't be up on xubuntu.org, but is included as part of the system docs.
[19:01] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, I posted a patch for the bug report about firewall documentation.  I was hoping to get bodhi's approval before I posted it, but real life concerns have kept him away
[19:35] <cameron_> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to include js in the wiki to redirect different ubuntu variants based off of user agents?
[19:39] <Flannel> cameron_: I don't believe so
[19:39] <cameron_> Flannel, that's what I thought, because of security concerns, but it was worth a try. Thasnks!
[21:10] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: fine, I'll have a look at some stage
[21:11] <j1mc> hi all
[21:11] <jjesse> hello :)
[21:11] <j1mc> hey jjesse :)
[21:12] <mdke> hey chaps
[21:12] <jjesse> hey j1mc and mdke
[21:12] <j1mc> i'm so excited about the updates for the xubuntu docs start page.
[21:12] <jjesse> yay
[21:12] <mdke> :)
[21:12] <j1mc> pasi lallihano is a genius
[21:12] <mdke> looks good
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, that page looks nice
[21:15] <j1mc> yeah.  the IRC link to the Xubuntu chan brings up the Freenode web chat with a random "xubuntuweb-XXX" username, too.
[21:15] <j1mc> and brings them right into #xubuntu
[21:15] <mdke> clever
[21:15] <j1mc> and the links to the doc sections will display in 1, 2, or 3 columns depending on the user's screen resolution.
[21:16] <j1mc> so it will still work ok for small screens
[21:16] <j1mc> he did all of that in about half a day.
[21:17] <j1mc> ok, i'll be quiet now. :)
[21:22] <mdke> impressive stuff :)
[22:51] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: is there any point keeping firestarter in the section if it is no longer updated? I'd tend just to recommend gufw
[23:13] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, it is still in the repositories
[23:13] <Rocket2DMn> I thought it best to not take out existing documentation if it wasn't in the way, it should be OK to provide options
[23:15] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ok, I'm going to overrule you there, sorry :p
[23:15] <mdke> bodhi.zazen made a good case for removing it in the bug too
[23:15] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[23:16] <Rocket2DMn> you want me to adjust the patch?
[23:16] <mdke> no thanks, I've committed it already
[23:16] <mdke> i have one further question though
[23:16] <Rocket2DMn> did you take it out then?
[23:16] <mdke> yes, I committed your patch and then did some changes afterwards
[23:16] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[23:17] <mdke> right at the beginning, is it worth trying to explain whether and when people will need a firewall? like "if you connect to the internet using a router, you will not normally need a firewall because the router provides a firewall automatically?"
[23:17] <mdke> bad language, but you get the point
[23:19] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: what do you think?
[23:19] <Rocket2DMn> give me a moment, I'm trying to organize my thoughts on that question
[23:19] <mdke> sorry
[23:20] <Rocket2DMn> It depends on what you think the knowledge level is of people using that documentation I guess
[23:20] <Rocket2DMn> Would you also explain how to check your router's configuration?
[23:20] <mdke> quite a few might not know what a router is
[23:21] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, you're suddenly talking about hardware in software documentation
[23:21] <mdke> but reading it as it is now, they might also think "omg I need a firewall immediately", when they don't
[23:21] <mdke> it can't hurt, I suppose
[23:21] <Rocket2DMn> The point is valid, and may be good for expanding on firewall documentation.  I know bodhi would have a field day with that
[23:21] <mdke> I might try and find a way to mention it
[23:21] <Rocket2DMn> He could write a book on dealing witjh firewalls, intrusion detection, security, etc
[23:21] <mdke> heh
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> But yeah, if you want to start down that path, we can
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> The patch I gave was intended to be something quick to get in before string freeze
[23:22] <mdke> I would only add a sentence at most, I think
[23:23] <mdke> lemme see
[23:24] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, the thing is that linux is locked down by default, so installing a firewall configuration app (like gufw) is actually opening ports rather than blocking them
[23:26] <Rocket2DMn> if you wanted to add something, perhaps something along the lines of: "Most routers have hardware firewalls built in, so if you use one on your home network, the chances are that you don't need to configure a software firewall unless you are planning to open ports"
[23:26] <mdke> hmm
[23:27] <mdke> in that case, the section kinda has the wrong premise
[23:27] <mdke> in the sense that it looks like something you can do to keep your computer safe
[23:28] <mdke> whereas actually it will help you make it less safe ;)
[23:28] <mdke> ok, I'm going to change the section title back to your version then
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> what had you changed it to?
[23:29] <mdke> "Set up a firewall"
[23:29] <mdke> (the previous title)
[23:29] <mdke> so Ubuntu automatically blocks access by default?
[23:30] <Rocket2DMn> it should, I could nmap my alpha6 install to see what happens
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> `lsof -i -n -P` doesnt show anything
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> well there are some open ports it looks like
[23:32] <mdke> so do programs like vino or openssh or whatever open the ports up?
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/279935/
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> seems to have aborted, let me try from the othe rlaptop
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, same thing
[23:34] <mdke> what do you think of this as a first para
[23:35] <mdke>  <para>Ubuntu automatically protects your computer from unauthorized access by people on the Internet or your network. Certain programs or services which use the Internet may require you to relax this rule in order for them to work. To do so, you can set up a <emphasis>firewall</emphasis>. If you use a router to connect to the Internet, you may already have a firewall enabled in that router. This section deals with setting up a firewall on Ubuntu.</para
[23:37] <Rocket2DMn> That looks pretty good.  Do we want to point out that the hardware firewall ina router protects your LAN against the outside world, but not specifically your machine?  There could still be threats from inside your network, like if a windows machine on it has been compromised
[23:39] <mdke> I'll see if I can get something in
[23:41] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[23:41] <mdke> but I think we're saying that Ubuntu automatically protects against such threats in the first sentence
[23:42] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, but that is a pretty bold statement.
[23:42] <Rocket2DMn> Out of the box, Ubuntu isn't perfect on security
[23:42] <mdke> perhaps we shouldn't say it then
[23:43] <Rocket2DMn> agreed
[23:43] <mdke> ok, let's try again :)
[23:44] <mdke>  <para>You may wish to install a firewall to protect your computer against unauthorized access by people on the Internet or your network. Firewalls block connections to your computer from unknown sources, which helps to prevent security breaches. If you use a router to connect to the Internet, you may already have a firewall enabled in that router which regulates connections from the Internet to your network. This section deals with setting up a firewal
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> That sounds better I think.  The only thing that caught my eye was "enabled in that router"
[23:47] <Rocket2DMn> I don't have a suggested change off the top of my head, so I think that should work fine
[23:48] <mdke> If you use a router to connect to the Internet, the router may already have a firewall configured which regulates connections from the Internet to your network.
[23:49] <Rocket2DMn> excellent
[23:49] <mdke> ok, good to go
[23:49] <mdke> thank very much for your work on that, it's great to have that section updated
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> No problem, bodhi provided the original text and I went from there.  Thanks for your feedback as well, I think the section is better off now than it was just with my patch
[23:51] <mdke> np
[23:52] <Rocket2DMn> XDevHald, did you get around to writing anything for grub2 today?
[23:53] <XDevHald> Ahem... Yes.. never install it without properly filing full path commands for complete use before rebooting. (My apologies but my day has the best of me)
[23:54] <XDevHald> P.S that is from personal experience.
[23:54] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[23:55] <XDevHald> Just a summary will do of what you're looking for to be added and it can be done.
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> I think the section about dual booting needs mention of it
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> it has a pretty detailed section about using Grub