| Ahmuck_Sr | ace_suares: u around ? | 00:49 |
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| Ahmuck_Sr | is aptitude installed by default on an ubuntu system? | 01:12 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | got a question. i need to move back to 8.10 or 9.04 fresh. i need to migrate users without data loss | 02:01 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | i'd be moving from 32 bit to 64 bit | 02:04 |
| === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg | ||
| hidox | hola | 05:17 |
| hidox | is this channel engish or spanish ? | 05:18 |
| HedgeMage | hidox: English, though a few here speak other languages. | 05:31 |
| hidox | do you talk spanish ? | 05:32 |
| HedgeMage | Not unless you want to talk about apples or how many children are on the playground (I've started to learn, but my vocabulary is very limited) | 05:33 |
| hidox | are you learning spanish ? | 05:35 |
| HedgeMage | Yes. | 05:35 |
| hidox | talk ! | 05:35 |
| HedgeMage | Como esta usted? | 05:35 |
| hidox | bien ,gracias | 05:36 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 05:36 |
| hidox | if I were a friend you must say como estas tu ? | 05:37 |
| hidox | my english is very bad ! | 05:38 |
| hidox | talk !! | 05:39 |
| HedgeMage | muy bien :) | 05:40 |
| HedgeMage | (My Spanish is very very bad... I have only been learning for a few days.) | 05:41 |
| hidox | como estas tu ? | 05:41 |
| hidox | who are you ? | 05:41 |
| hidox | excuse | 05:41 |
| hidox | how are you ? | 05:41 |
| HedgeMage | Was my answer (very good) worded correctly? | 05:44 |
| HedgeMage | (by the way, #ubuntu-es can help with most ubuntu things in Spanish) | 05:44 |
| hidox | ok , I know it ! | 05:47 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 05:48 |
| hidox | your answer was right | 05:48 |
| hidox | what do you like learn now ? | 05:49 |
| HedgeMage | How do I say "I'm sleepy" ? | 05:49 |
| hidox | say me a sentence a i explain you how to create it ! | 05:49 |
| hidox | in spanish I have dream | 05:50 |
| hidox | you must say | 05:50 |
| hidox | tengo sueño | 05:50 |
| hidox | :) | 05:51 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 05:51 |
| hidox | or tengo mucho sueño | 05:51 |
| hidox | much | 05:51 |
| hidox | or I wznt to sleep | 05:52 |
| hidox | or I want to sleep | 05:52 |
| hidox | quiero dormir (sleep) | 05:52 |
| hidox | my friend , why are you in this channel ? | 05:53 |
| HedgeMage | I do some volunteer work with open source software and education. | 05:54 |
| HedgeMage | this channel is about Ubuntu's education project :) | 05:54 |
| hidox | I like it | 05:56 |
| hidox | I use now max do you know it ? | 05:58 |
| hidox | do you know MAX ? | 05:59 |
| hidox | ? | 05:59 |
| hidox | HedgeMage | 06:00 |
| HedgeMage | I am back | 06:00 |
| hidox | ok | 06:00 |
| hidox | did you read ? | 06:00 |
| HedgeMage | Yes, I do not know what max you are talking about | 06:00 |
| HedgeMage | but... | 06:01 |
| HedgeMage | Quiero dormir | 06:01 |
| HedgeMage | and I am going to bed :) | 06:01 |
| hidox | jajajaj | 06:01 |
| HedgeMage | Good night :) | 06:01 |
| hidox | ( laughting !! ) | 06:01 |
| hidox | max is a recopilation in spanish | 06:01 |
| HedgeMage | Ahh, I did not know that. | 06:02 |
| HedgeMage | I hope to see you again. Good night. :) | 06:02 |
| hidox | about a lot of eduactional proyect | 06:02 |
| hidox | uuuuuuuuuuuuu | 06:02 |
| hidox | any want talk about education ?? | 06:03 |
| hidox | i love education | 06:03 |
| hidox | helo any talk about education | 06:04 |
| Balsaq | when you upgarde ubuntu 810 to 904 (doing it) do you lose your sound and stuff? | 07:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 810 in malone "Better way to handle enhancement bugs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810 | 07:38 |
| Balsaq | thanks ubottu went there and read it but didnt see anything | 07:56 |
| Balsaq | as i am installing 904 over my 810 people are telling me to expect sound issues... | 07:57 |
| Balsaq | can i re-install ubuntu 8.10 (have the disc) even though i have upgrade to the newer version 9.04? was told i can't go back now and the 9,04 slowed me down..apparantly my old dell like 8.10 better | 12:09 |
| alkisg | Balsaq: why don't you try debugging the problem first? | 12:10 |
| alkisg | I don't think you can downgrade, you'd have to reinstall AFAIK. | 12:11 |
| Balsaq | afaik? | 12:11 |
| alkisg | As Far As I Know | 12:12 |
| Balsaq | total an complete newbie here | 12:12 |
| Balsaq | old 1998 dell | 12:12 |
| Balsaq | just killed w98 a few days ago loved the 810 seemed to be made for this old puter | 12:12 |
| Balsaq | i suppose there is a way to do an uninstall right? then do a clean 8.10 | 12:14 |
| Balsaq | how do i debug? | 12:14 |
| alkisg | Not really... you just select "format" when reinstalling 8.10 | 12:14 |
| alkisg | Well, what's the exact difference in performance? | 12:15 |
| alkisg | Graphics card drivers? | 12:15 |
| Balsaq | hard too say just slower didnt time it..maybe i should shut er down and timeit..took 3min 30 sec to boot from off to the net with 810 which is low but it was fast on the net once i got there | 12:16 |
| alkisg | What are the client specs? I.e. cpu, ram, graphics card model, network speed? | 12:16 |
| Balsaq | plus when i shut down 9.04 does this weird thing with atimer..indicating they wnt me to wait or something | 12:17 |
| Balsaq | 400mgz pII mmx technology 768sdram pc133 10g HD 8mb ati | 12:17 |
| alkisg | Do you have ldm_directx=true in lts.conf? | 12:18 |
| Balsaq | dell dimension xps r400 from 1998 | 12:18 |
| Balsaq | listen i dont know anyhting about that | 12:18 |
| alkisg | OK, try that: | 12:18 |
| Balsaq | direct x was in here with windows used to test with it | 12:18 |
| alkisg | gksu gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 12:18 |
| alkisg | That will open an (empty) file | 12:18 |
| alkisg | Put there the following 2 lines: | 12:19 |
| Balsaq | but it never detected anything wrong so i asuumed it was a toy | 12:19 |
| alkisg | [Default] | 12:19 |
| alkisg | LDM_DIRECTX=True | 12:19 |
| alkisg | Then save the file and reboot the client, and time it to see if it got faster. | 12:19 |
| alkisg | LDM_DIRECTX doesn't have anything to do with windows directx | 12:19 |
| alkisg | It specifies that you don't want encryption in your client <=> server connection, so that's faster. | 12:20 |
| alkisg | (but more insecure) | 12:20 |
| Balsaq | wow | 12:20 |
| alkisg | See the ltsp docs for more information on the theory: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream | 12:20 |
| Balsaq | insecure from what? | 12:20 |
| Balsaq | malware | 12:21 |
| alkisg | From a person eavesdropping in your local network | 12:21 |
| alkisg | No, not from malware | 12:21 |
| Balsaq | hmmm wonder what you mean...someone watching me? | 12:21 |
| alkisg | Read the docs, they say it better than me | 12:21 |
| Balsaq | is the speed solution easily reversible | 12:22 |
| alkisg | For such old clients, it helps a *lot*. Try it and see. | 12:22 |
| Balsaq | wow | 12:22 |
| Balsaq | i dont do anything that i would care if someone eavesdropped...unless they can cause me problems | 12:23 |
| Balsaq | now when i type this in where do i type it in my http: or what in DOS? | 12:24 |
| alkisg | No, press Alt+F2 in your server, a dialog will pop up | 12:24 |
| alkisg | Type it there. | 12:24 |
| Balsaq | now when i did the ubuntu 810 a few days ago i completely wiped w98 if that makes any difference | 12:25 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 810 in malone "Better way to handle enhancement bugs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810 | 12:25 |
| Balsaq | and by server you mean what? | 12:26 |
| Balsaq | we have servers at work but not at home to my knowledge | 12:26 |
| alkisg | Woah | 12:26 |
| alkisg | Sorry I guess I misunderstood you from the beggining | 12:26 |
| alkisg | You're talking about a single PC, right? | 12:27 |
| Balsaq | or will the alt thing suddenly get me inthere for all these commands to work | 12:27 |
| Balsaq | yes one pc desktop | 12:27 |
| alkisg | Balsaq: ok ignore *everything* I said, I was talking about something completely different | 12:27 |
| Balsaq | k | 12:28 |
| alkisg | I thought you were talking about LTSP, which is a method to use such old clients in a server <=> client environment | 12:28 |
| alkisg | I never imagined that you ran ubuntu standalone in such an old client... :) | 12:28 |
| Balsaq | what i want is too either debug slow performance which may be tough on an old dell or reinstall8.10 if possible i dont like 9.04 | 12:28 |
| Balsaq | i also noticed my slowdown started before 9.04 upgrade...it started after i took 349 updates | 12:29 |
| alkisg | OK, if you put the CD and tell it to use all the disk, it'll delete all the old data | 12:29 |
| Balsaq | so i can put the 8.10 version in ther again even though i have now done the 9,04 upgrade | 12:30 |
| alkisg | Yes, but it will *delete* all your hard disk contents | 12:30 |
| Balsaq | i dont care i have nothing inthere i only use this puter as an internet runner | 12:30 |
| alkisg | OK then go ahead... | 12:31 |
| alkisg | ...put the CD in the drive and boot from it | 12:31 |
| Balsaq | only thing i loaded was flash and i can do that again...of course passwords etc...but nothing else | 12:31 |
| Balsaq | weird others say no can do...oh well you seem pretty advanced | 12:32 |
| Balsaq | it took 6 hours the 1st time so ill do it later | 12:32 |
| alkisg | OK | 12:32 |
| Balsaq | been up all night with the 904 and upgrades | 12:32 |
| alkisg | ...and you installed edubuntu in that? | 12:32 |
| Balsaq | i am so glad to know icanget tiback thank you | 12:32 |
| alkisg | How come you got here instead of #ubuntu? | 12:33 |
| Balsaq | the 810 went in all my sound worked it ram faster than w98 ran 11 years ago | 12:33 |
| Balsaq | just curious, what di you think i was asking before? | 12:34 |
| alkisg | Well, you are in the #edubuntu channel | 12:34 |
| alkisg | ...and you're asking a question which should be asked in #ubuntu... | 12:34 |
| Balsaq | i know but they were flying all over h*ll in the other ones and i couldnt get a word in edge wise | 12:35 |
| alkisg | (02:28:11 μμ) alkisg: I thought you were talking about LTSP, which is a method to use such old clients in a server <=> client environment | 12:35 |
| alkisg | Balsaq: well, you should start with "My question is not edubuntu related" so that we better understood what you wanted... | 12:35 |
| Balsaq | the people in there were telling me some pretty weird stuff tonight some even pulling my leg and not telling me until i suffered for awhile | 12:35 |
| Balsaq | i figured the educators wouldnt play games with newbies | 12:36 |
| alkisg | Most people here *are not* educators... | 12:36 |
| alkisg | ...they either administer or develop edubuntu... us teachers are a minority here :) | 12:37 |
| Balsaq | sorry if i interupted, i have was told all the buntus are the same with minor adjustment and that i can make any work like the others | 12:38 |
| alkisg | Yes, but each channel is focused on specific questions... | 12:38 |
| ogra | general ubuntu support belongs to #ubuntu though | 12:38 |
| alkisg | Never mind, no problem, just specify the subject a little better next time | 12:39 |
| Balsaq | thank you my question is answered i really appreciate it | 12:39 |
| alkisg | Good luck :) | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage, stgraber: I'm here | 13:59 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: stgraber e-mailed to say that he'll be around in another hour or so from now | 14:00 |
| LaserJock | fine | 14:00 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: are you in the same timezone as him? if so it will be at 10am or so | 14:00 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I am, yes | 14:01 |
| stgraber | hello | 14:51 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:54 |
| mhall119|work | morning | 14:54 |
| stgraber | LaserJock, highvoltage: ping | 14:54 |
| LaserJock | hi | 14:55 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: pong | 15:00 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock? | 15:08 |
| === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | ||
| lfaraone | Hi, I created all my students with adduser, and none of them show up when connected in the tthin client manager. | 16:59 |
| alkisg | lfaraone: and the other users do show up? compare 2 such users with: id username | 17:02 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: actually, no users show up. | 17:03 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: it seems to be bug 373100. | 17:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 373100 in thin-client-manager "Thin Client Manager shows nothing in 9.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373100 | 17:03 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: (which I just confirmeda and prioritized). There's a patch attached, but for some reason it hasn't been sponsored. | 17:04 |
| alkisg | lfaraone: tcm is kind of abandoned, either try tcm-ng (search for that in launchpad) or use italc... | 17:04 |
| lfaraone | (the patch fixed my problem) | 17:04 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: Okay. I'd rather use italc, since it's in the Jaunty repositories. | 17:05 |
| alkisg | OK. | 17:05 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: Is it better to put it in the chroot, or to run it on the server? The wikipage doesn't ist any downsides of putting it on the chroot... | 17:06 |
| alkisg | It's much easier to just put it in the server | 17:07 |
| alkisg | The downside is that you only see the clients after they log in | 17:07 |
| alkisg | So you can't e.g. use remote power on | 17:07 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: okay, but that's something we can do with WOL anyway, right? | 17:09 |
| alkisg | Sure. | 17:09 |
| alkisg | I think you are also able to shut them down, which you also could do with other means... | 17:10 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: hm. how else can we remotely shut down clients? It'd be useful to power off the lab after the last class of the day.... | 17:24 |
| lfaraone | the ping of death! | 17:25 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: hm. how else can we remotely shut down clients? It'd be useful to power off the lab after the last class of the day.... | 17:25 |
| alkisg | Something with a cron job, some support for this has been put in ltsp-upstream recently - I don't remember any details, though... | 17:26 |
| alkisg | And of course you could use ssh | 17:26 |
| alkisg | It's also been discussed in some list, but I don't remember if it was the edubuntu or the ltsp-discuss one | 17:27 |
| alkisg | brb | 17:29 |
| lfaraone | alkisg: thanks. (I have to be going too) | 17:34 |
| alkisg | bye! | 17:34 |
| mhall119|work | hey, is Edubuntu working with Mirus Innovations? | 18:58 |
| sbalneav | Not AFAIK | 19:00 |
| alkisg | sbalneav, good sbalneav, when are you going to present us a lecture about LDAP here in #edubuntu? :) | 19:01 |
| alkisg | We promise we'll be a good audience! | 19:01 |
| sbalneav | What would you like to know? | 19:02 |
| sbalneav | I only know about OpenLDAP, I don't know anything about Active Directory. | 19:03 |
| alkisg | A "simple" example on how to setup LDAP so that I can have centralized user accounts in a school | 19:03 |
| alkisg | Assume that all PCs run edubuntu | 19:03 |
| mhall119|work | sbalneav: they're selling Intel Classmate PC's running Edubuntu on target.com and sears.com | 19:03 |
| sbalneav | OK, well, that's pretty simple then. | 19:03 |
| sbalneav | Well, here's how I do it. Keep in mind I'm still running 8.04 OpenLDAP, there's been some new goodies in the newer openldap versions I'm not completely up to speed on yet but... | 19:04 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: I've read this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html | 19:04 |
| alkisg | ...that *didn't* sound like a simple thing to do! :( | 19:05 |
| sbalneav | 1) Create your OpenLDAP server, and you'll want two OU (Org Units): users & groups | 19:05 |
| * alkisg is stretching his ears | 19:05 | |
| sbalneav | 2) Install libpam-ldap, and libnss-db | 19:05 |
| sbalneav | Also, nss-updatedb | 19:06 |
| sbalneav | I don't use nss-ldap, since it puts too much of a load on the LDAP server, over our slow WAN | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | I create a : | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | /etc/auth-client-config/profile.d/legalaid-ldap-auth-config | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | file, that contains (I'll spam the channel, apologies...) | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | [legalaid_ldap] | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | nss_passwd=passwd: compat db | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | nss_group=group: compat db | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | nss_shadow=shadow: compat ldap | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | pam_auth=auth optional pam_group.so auth sufficient pam_ldap.so auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure use_first_pass | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | pam_account=account sufficient pam_ldap.so account required pam_unix.so | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | pam_password=password sufficient pam_ldap.so password required pam_unix.so try_first_pass | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | pam_session=session required pam_unix.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ session optional pam_ldap.so session optional pam_foreground.so | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | EOF | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | whoops, ditch the eof at the end. | 19:08 |
| alkisg | OK | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | Then, I can apply the auth config with: | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | auth-client-config -a -p legalaid_ldap | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | then, I set up a simple cron job that fires up: | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | nss_updatedb ldap | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | every 10 minutes or so. | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | This copies all the ldap info down to local BerkelyDB files that libnss-db uses | 19:10 |
| sbalneav | that way useid and groupid lookups for things like ls -al don't generate any LDAP queries. | 19:10 |
| * alkisg reminds sbalneav that he said: "(09:03:44 μμ) sbalneav: OK, well, that's pretty simple then." :D | 19:10 | |
| sbalneav | Well, it *is* pretty simple, for LDAP :) | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | LDAP's a complicated topic :) | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | Mine | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | Mine's about the SIMPLEST complicated ldap setup you can have. | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | :) | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | Oh, and: | 19:11 |
| alkisg | I wonder if it would be simpler to just use nfs-mounted /etc/passwd :P | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | Well, you could do that with: | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | No, that's only nss :( | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | I don't think there's a pam module that handles that. | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | one sec, lemme look | 19:13 |
| alkisg | Hmmm and to actually insert new users, I need to import ldif files? | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | ah | 19:15 |
| sbalneav | libpam-pwdfile | 19:15 |
| alkisg | Whassat? | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | and libnss-extrausers | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | Description: PAM module allowing authentication via an /etc/passwd-like file This PAM module lets you use an arbitrarily-named text file similar in structure to /etc/passwd to authenticate users. Both DES and MD5 hashed passwords are supported. | 19:17 |
| alkisg | Just saw it!!! Sounds ****sweeeeeet*** :) | 19:17 |
| sbalneav | it may, or may not do what you want. | 19:18 |
| alkisg | ...even if shadow is shared over NFS, I wouldn't care :) | 19:18 |
| sbalneav | I'd have to look at the source, one sec... | 19:18 |
| alkisg | ...and libnss-extrausers sounds even better | 19:18 |
| alkisg | ...as it would allow me to work with the PCs even when the local network is down | 19:19 |
| sbalneav | Well, you'd have to copy the server's pwd and group file periodically | 19:20 |
| sbalneav | in order for that to happen. | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | if you're going after an nfs mounted /etc/passwd and /etc/group, and nfs is down: bad luck. | 19:21 |
| alkisg | Or just share it with nfs | 19:21 |
| alkisg | Ah | 19:21 |
| alkisg | Ouch | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | Another bit of bad luck. libpam-pwdfile DOESN'T support shadow. | 19:22 |
| alkisg | If I'm going to copy stuff, I might as well copy the whole /etc/passwd... I don't need secondary files | 19:22 |
| sbalneav | it expects the encrypted password to be in the passwd file. | 19:22 |
| sbalneav | However, it wouldn't be too hard to fix that, since it's C. | 19:22 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: do you think that NIS would be a better choice for my needs? | 19:23 |
| sbalneav | Well, NIS it DOA | 19:24 |
| alkisg | Dah | 19:24 |
| sbalneav | It's still around as "legacy" but I don't think anyone's actively maintaining it anymore. | 19:24 |
| sbalneav | So. | 19:24 |
| sbalneav | You can: | 19:24 |
| sbalneav | 1) Set up LDAP infrastructure. | 19:25 |
| sbalneav | 2) Use a modified simple libpam-pwfile. | 19:25 |
| sbalneav | If you'd like, I could spend some time creating a modified "shared password/shadow" libpam module. | 19:26 |
| alkisg | sbalneav, if I used LDAP, could I *somehow* logon locally (with guest users or something) if the network was down? | 19:26 |
| sbalneav | Sure. | 19:26 |
| sbalneav | If LDAP's down, you just "fall through" the pam call chain to the local /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. | 19:27 |
| alkisg | That sounds robust... and, do you think that a standard LDAP installation could be scripted, for both the server and the clients? | 19:27 |
| sbalneav | I have a "package" I've created (years ago) that creates a "legalaid-ldap-client" deb. | 19:28 |
| alkisg | I guess that's the correct way to go then. | 19:28 |
| alkisg | Thanks **a lot** man | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | install the deb, and it sets up the client for authentication against our LDAP server. | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | If you'd like, I could expurgate the deb, and send you a "sanitized" version of it. | 19:29 |
| alkisg | Would you mind mailing me the package, just to see what steps I need to do to make something similar? | 19:29 |
| alkisg | I'd appreciate that | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | Great minds think alike, fools seldom differ :) | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | Email? | 19:29 |
| alkisg | ...but don't take too much time sanitizing it, just remove any sensitive data | 19:29 |
| alkisg | Heh | 19:29 |
| alkisg | alkisg at gmail | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | k | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | two shakes: | 19:30 |
| highvoltage | good evening | 19:31 |
| alkisg | Hi highvoltage | 19:32 |
| highvoltage | how are things alkisg? | 19:32 |
| * alkisg struggles with italc, ldap, clusterssh and linux in general... :-/ | 19:32 | |
| alkisg | ...so, everything's fine! :D | 19:33 |
| alkisg | How are you? | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | alkisg: OK | 19:38 |
| sbalneav | sent | 19:38 |
| * alkisg owes 3.5 beers + 1 tsipouro to sbalneav :D | 19:39 | |
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