[00:49] ace_suares: u around ? [01:12] is aptitude installed by default on an ubuntu system? [02:01] got a question. i need to move back to 8.10 or 9.04 fresh. i need to migrate users without data loss [02:04] i'd be moving from 32 bit to 64 bit === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [05:17] hola [05:18] is this channel engish or spanish ? [05:31] hidox: English, though a few here speak other languages. [05:32] do you talk spanish ? [05:33] Not unless you want to talk about apples or how many children are on the playground (I've started to learn, but my vocabulary is very limited) [05:35] are you learning spanish ? [05:35] Yes. [05:35] talk ! [05:35] Como esta usted? [05:36] bien ,gracias [05:36] :) [05:37] if I were a friend you must say como estas tu ? [05:38] my english is very bad ! [05:39] talk !! [05:40] muy bien :) [05:41] (My Spanish is very very bad... I have only been learning for a few days.) [05:41] como estas tu ? [05:41] who are you ? [05:41] excuse [05:41] how are you ? [05:44] Was my answer (very good) worded correctly? [05:44] (by the way, #ubuntu-es can help with most ubuntu things in Spanish) [05:47] ok , I know it ! [05:48] :) [05:48] your answer was right [05:49] what do you like learn now ? [05:49] How do I say "I'm sleepy" ? [05:49] say me a sentence a i explain you how to create it ! [05:50] in spanish I have dream [05:50] you must say [05:50] tengo sueño [05:51] :) [05:51] :) [05:51] or tengo mucho sueño [05:51] much [05:52] or I wznt to sleep [05:52] or I want to sleep [05:52] quiero dormir (sleep) [05:53] my friend , why are you in this channel ? [05:54] I do some volunteer work with open source software and education. [05:54] this channel is about Ubuntu's education project :) [05:56] I like it [05:58] I use now max do you know it ? [05:59] do you know MAX ? [05:59] ? [06:00] HedgeMage [06:00] I am back [06:00] ok [06:00] did you read ? [06:00] Yes, I do not know what max you are talking about [06:01] but... [06:01] Quiero dormir [06:01] and I am going to bed :) [06:01] jajajaj [06:01] Good night :) [06:01] ( laughting !! ) [06:01] max is a recopilation in spanish [06:02] Ahh, I did not know that. [06:02] I hope to see you again. Good night. :) [06:02] about a lot of eduactional proyect [06:02] uuuuuuuuuuuuu [06:03] any want talk about education ?? [06:03] i love education [06:04] helo any talk about education [07:38] when you upgarde ubuntu 810 to 904 (doing it) do you lose your sound and stuff? [07:38] Ubuntu bug 810 in malone "Better way to handle enhancement bugs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810 [07:56] thanks ubottu went there and read it but didnt see anything [07:57] as i am installing 904 over my 810 people are telling me to expect sound issues... [12:09] can i re-install ubuntu 8.10 (have the disc) even though i have upgrade to the newer version 9.04? was told i can't go back now and the 9,04 slowed me down..apparantly my old dell like 8.10 better [12:10] Balsaq: why don't you try debugging the problem first? [12:11] I don't think you can downgrade, you'd have to reinstall AFAIK. [12:11] afaik? [12:12] As Far As I Know [12:12] total an complete newbie here [12:12] old 1998 dell [12:12] just killed w98 a few days ago loved the 810 seemed to be made for this old puter [12:14] i suppose there is a way to do an uninstall right? then do a clean 8.10 [12:14] how do i debug? [12:14] Not really... you just select "format" when reinstalling 8.10 [12:15] Well, what's the exact difference in performance? [12:15] Graphics card drivers? [12:16] hard too say just slower didnt time it..maybe i should shut er down and timeit..took 3min 30 sec to boot from off to the net with 810 which is low but it was fast on the net once i got there [12:16] What are the client specs? I.e. cpu, ram, graphics card model, network speed? [12:17] plus when i shut down 9.04 does this weird thing with atimer..indicating they wnt me to wait or something [12:17] 400mgz pII mmx technology 768sdram pc133 10g HD 8mb ati [12:18] Do you have ldm_directx=true in lts.conf? [12:18] dell dimension xps r400 from 1998 [12:18] listen i dont know anyhting about that [12:18] OK, try that: [12:18] direct x was in here with windows used to test with it [12:18] gksu gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf [12:18] That will open an (empty) file [12:19] Put there the following 2 lines: [12:19] but it never detected anything wrong so i asuumed it was a toy [12:19] [Default] [12:19] LDM_DIRECTX=True [12:19] Then save the file and reboot the client, and time it to see if it got faster. [12:19] LDM_DIRECTX doesn't have anything to do with windows directx [12:20] It specifies that you don't want encryption in your client <=> server connection, so that's faster. [12:20] (but more insecure) [12:20] wow [12:20] See the ltsp docs for more information on the theory: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream [12:20] insecure from what? [12:21] malware [12:21] From a person eavesdropping in your local network [12:21] No, not from malware [12:21] hmmm wonder what you mean...someone watching me? [12:21] Read the docs, they say it better than me [12:22] is the speed solution easily reversible [12:22] For such old clients, it helps a *lot*. Try it and see. [12:22] wow [12:23] i dont do anything that i would care if someone eavesdropped...unless they can cause me problems [12:24] now when i type this in where do i type it in my http: or what in DOS? [12:24] No, press Alt+F2 in your server, a dialog will pop up [12:24] Type it there. [12:25] now when i did the ubuntu 810 a few days ago i completely wiped w98 if that makes any difference [12:25] Ubuntu bug 810 in malone "Better way to handle enhancement bugs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810 [12:26] and by server you mean what? [12:26] we have servers at work but not at home to my knowledge [12:26] Woah [12:26] Sorry I guess I misunderstood you from the beggining [12:27] You're talking about a single PC, right? [12:27] or will the alt thing suddenly get me inthere for all these commands to work [12:27] yes one pc desktop [12:27] Balsaq: ok ignore *everything* I said, I was talking about something completely different [12:28] k [12:28] I thought you were talking about LTSP, which is a method to use such old clients in a server <=> client environment [12:28] I never imagined that you ran ubuntu standalone in such an old client... :) [12:28] what i want is too either debug slow performance which may be tough on an old dell or reinstall8.10 if possible i dont like 9.04 [12:29] i also noticed my slowdown started before 9.04 upgrade...it started after i took 349 updates [12:29] OK, if you put the CD and tell it to use all the disk, it'll delete all the old data [12:30] so i can put the 8.10 version in ther again even though i have now done the 9,04 upgrade [12:30] Yes, but it will *delete* all your hard disk contents [12:30] i dont care i have nothing inthere i only use this puter as an internet runner [12:31] OK then go ahead... [12:31] ...put the CD in the drive and boot from it [12:31] only thing i loaded was flash and i can do that again...of course passwords etc...but nothing else [12:32] weird others say no can do...oh well you seem pretty advanced [12:32] it took 6 hours the 1st time so ill do it later [12:32] OK [12:32] been up all night with the 904 and upgrades [12:32] ...and you installed edubuntu in that? [12:32] i am so glad to know icanget tiback thank you [12:33] How come you got here instead of #ubuntu? [12:33] the 810 went in all my sound worked it ram faster than w98 ran 11 years ago [12:34] just curious, what di you think i was asking before? [12:34] Well, you are in the #edubuntu channel [12:34] ...and you're asking a question which should be asked in #ubuntu... [12:35] i know but they were flying all over h*ll in the other ones and i couldnt get a word in edge wise [12:35] (02:28:11 μμ) alkisg: I thought you were talking about LTSP, which is a method to use such old clients in a server <=> client environment [12:35] Balsaq: well, you should start with "My question is not edubuntu related" so that we better understood what you wanted... [12:35] the people in there were telling me some pretty weird stuff tonight some even pulling my leg and not telling me until i suffered for awhile [12:36] i figured the educators wouldnt play games with newbies [12:36] Most people here *are not* educators... [12:37] ...they either administer or develop edubuntu... us teachers are a minority here :) [12:38] sorry if i interupted, i have was told all the buntus are the same with minor adjustment and that i can make any work like the others [12:38] Yes, but each channel is focused on specific questions... [12:38] general ubuntu support belongs to #ubuntu though [12:39] Never mind, no problem, just specify the subject a little better next time [12:39] thank you my question is answered i really appreciate it [12:39] Good luck :) [13:59] highvoltage, stgraber: I'm here [14:00] LaserJock: stgraber e-mailed to say that he'll be around in another hour or so from now [14:00] fine [14:00] LaserJock: are you in the same timezone as him? if so it will be at 10am or so [14:01] highvoltage: I am, yes [14:51] hello [14:54] Morning all [14:54] morning [14:54] LaserJock, highvoltage: ping [14:55] hi [15:00] stgraber: pong [15:08] LaserJock? === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [16:59] Hi, I created all my students with adduser, and none of them show up when connected in the tthin client manager. [17:02] lfaraone: and the other users do show up? compare 2 such users with: id username [17:03] alkisg: actually, no users show up. [17:03] alkisg: it seems to be bug 373100. [17:03] Launchpad bug 373100 in thin-client-manager "Thin Client Manager shows nothing in 9.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373100 [17:04] alkisg: (which I just confirmeda and prioritized). There's a patch attached, but for some reason it hasn't been sponsored. [17:04] lfaraone: tcm is kind of abandoned, either try tcm-ng (search for that in launchpad) or use italc... [17:04] (the patch fixed my problem) [17:05] alkisg: Okay. I'd rather use italc, since it's in the Jaunty repositories. [17:05] OK. [17:06] alkisg: Is it better to put it in the chroot, or to run it on the server? The wikipage doesn't ist any downsides of putting it on the chroot... [17:07] It's much easier to just put it in the server [17:07] The downside is that you only see the clients after they log in [17:07] So you can't e.g. use remote power on [17:09] alkisg: okay, but that's something we can do with WOL anyway, right? [17:09] Sure. [17:10] I think you are also able to shut them down, which you also could do with other means... [17:24] alkisg: hm. how else can we remotely shut down clients? It'd be useful to power off the lab after the last class of the day.... [17:25] the ping of death! [17:25] alkisg: hm. how else can we remotely shut down clients? It'd be useful to power off the lab after the last class of the day.... [17:26] Something with a cron job, some support for this has been put in ltsp-upstream recently - I don't remember any details, though... [17:26] And of course you could use ssh [17:27] It's also been discussed in some list, but I don't remember if it was the edubuntu or the ltsp-discuss one [17:29] brb [17:34] alkisg: thanks. (I have to be going too) [17:34] bye! [18:58] hey, is Edubuntu working with Mirus Innovations? [19:00] Not AFAIK [19:01] sbalneav, good sbalneav, when are you going to present us a lecture about LDAP here in #edubuntu? :) [19:01] We promise we'll be a good audience! [19:02] What would you like to know? [19:03] I only know about OpenLDAP, I don't know anything about Active Directory. [19:03] A "simple" example on how to setup LDAP so that I can have centralized user accounts in a school [19:03] Assume that all PCs run edubuntu [19:03] sbalneav: they're selling Intel Classmate PC's running Edubuntu on target.com and sears.com [19:03] OK, well, that's pretty simple then. [19:04] Well, here's how I do it. Keep in mind I'm still running 8.04 OpenLDAP, there's been some new goodies in the newer openldap versions I'm not completely up to speed on yet but... [19:04] sbalneav: I've read this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html [19:05] ...that *didn't* sound like a simple thing to do! :( [19:05] 1) Create your OpenLDAP server, and you'll want two OU (Org Units): users & groups [19:05] * alkisg is stretching his ears [19:05] 2) Install libpam-ldap, and libnss-db [19:06] Also, nss-updatedb [19:07] I don't use nss-ldap, since it puts too much of a load on the LDAP server, over our slow WAN [19:07] I create a : [19:07] /etc/auth-client-config/profile.d/legalaid-ldap-auth-config [19:08] file, that contains (I'll spam the channel, apologies...) [19:08] [legalaid_ldap] [19:08] nss_passwd=passwd: compat db [19:08] nss_group=group: compat db [19:08] nss_shadow=shadow: compat ldap [19:08] pam_auth=auth optional pam_group.so auth sufficient pam_ldap.so auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure use_first_pass [19:08] pam_account=account sufficient pam_ldap.so account required pam_unix.so [19:08] pam_password=password sufficient pam_ldap.so password required pam_unix.so try_first_pass [19:08] pam_session=session required pam_unix.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ session optional pam_ldap.so session optional pam_foreground.so [19:08] EOF [19:08] whoops, ditch the eof at the end. [19:08] OK [19:08] Then, I can apply the auth config with: [19:08] auth-client-config -a -p legalaid_ldap [19:09] then, I set up a simple cron job that fires up: [19:09] nss_updatedb ldap [19:09] every 10 minutes or so. [19:10] This copies all the ldap info down to local BerkelyDB files that libnss-db uses [19:10] that way useid and groupid lookups for things like ls -al don't generate any LDAP queries. [19:10] * alkisg reminds sbalneav that he said: "(09:03:44 μμ) sbalneav: OK, well, that's pretty simple then." :D [19:11] Well, it *is* pretty simple, for LDAP :) [19:11] LDAP's a complicated topic :) [19:11] Mine [19:11] Mine's about the SIMPLEST complicated ldap setup you can have. [19:11] :) [19:11] Oh, and: [19:11] I wonder if it would be simpler to just use nfs-mounted /etc/passwd :P [19:12] Well, you could do that with: [19:12] No, that's only nss :( [19:13] I don't think there's a pam module that handles that. [19:13] one sec, lemme look [19:13] Hmmm and to actually insert new users, I need to import ldif files? [19:15] ah [19:15] libpam-pwdfile [19:16] Whassat? [19:16] and libnss-extrausers [19:17] Description: PAM module allowing authentication via an /etc/passwd-like file This PAM module lets you use an arbitrarily-named text file similar in structure to /etc/passwd to authenticate users. Both DES and MD5 hashed passwords are supported. [19:17] Just saw it!!! Sounds ****sweeeeeet*** :) [19:18] it may, or may not do what you want. [19:18] ...even if shadow is shared over NFS, I wouldn't care :) [19:18] I'd have to look at the source, one sec... [19:18] ...and libnss-extrausers sounds even better [19:19] ...as it would allow me to work with the PCs even when the local network is down [19:20] Well, you'd have to copy the server's pwd and group file periodically [19:21] in order for that to happen. [19:21] if you're going after an nfs mounted /etc/passwd and /etc/group, and nfs is down: bad luck. [19:21] Or just share it with nfs [19:21] Ah [19:21] Ouch [19:22] Another bit of bad luck. libpam-pwdfile DOESN'T support shadow. [19:22] If I'm going to copy stuff, I might as well copy the whole /etc/passwd... I don't need secondary files [19:22] it expects the encrypted password to be in the passwd file. [19:22] However, it wouldn't be too hard to fix that, since it's C. [19:23] sbalneav: do you think that NIS would be a better choice for my needs? [19:24] Well, NIS it DOA [19:24] Dah [19:24] It's still around as "legacy" but I don't think anyone's actively maintaining it anymore. [19:24] So. [19:24] You can: [19:25] 1) Set up LDAP infrastructure. [19:25] 2) Use a modified simple libpam-pwfile. [19:26] If you'd like, I could spend some time creating a modified "shared password/shadow" libpam module. [19:26] sbalneav, if I used LDAP, could I *somehow* logon locally (with guest users or something) if the network was down? [19:26] Sure. [19:27] If LDAP's down, you just "fall through" the pam call chain to the local /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. [19:27] That sounds robust... and, do you think that a standard LDAP installation could be scripted, for both the server and the clients? [19:28] I have a "package" I've created (years ago) that creates a "legalaid-ldap-client" deb. [19:28] I guess that's the correct way to go then. [19:28] Thanks **a lot** man [19:28] install the deb, and it sets up the client for authentication against our LDAP server. [19:29] If you'd like, I could expurgate the deb, and send you a "sanitized" version of it. [19:29] Would you mind mailing me the package, just to see what steps I need to do to make something similar? [19:29] I'd appreciate that [19:29] Great minds think alike, fools seldom differ :) [19:29] Email? [19:29] ...but don't take too much time sanitizing it, just remove any sensitive data [19:29] Heh [19:29] alkisg at gmail [19:30] k [19:30] two shakes: [19:31] good evening [19:32] Hi highvoltage [19:32] how are things alkisg? [19:32] * alkisg struggles with italc, ldap, clusterssh and linux in general... :-/ [19:33] ...so, everything's fine! :D [19:33] How are you? [19:38] alkisg: OK [19:38] sent [19:39] * alkisg owes 3.5 beers + 1 tsipouro to sbalneav :D