=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:54] hey guys [02:54] what kind of bot is Kubottu? [03:00] * ScottK guesses apachelogger is the one that would know. [03:04] OK, all the -security/-proposed patches for KDE 4.2 are in the backports packages now. [03:16] maco: he's an rbot [03:16] JontheEchinda: thanks === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine [07:05] ScottK: bug 436648 - I assume Software Center is a happier name :) [07:05] Launchpad bug 436648 in software-store "[UserInterface Freeze Exception]Change name of software-store to software center" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436648 === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [09:34] good morning, how's beta week looking? [09:34] I wonder if KDM works === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:08] * apachelogger finds it interessting that KDM broke to begin with [11:31] * seele yawns [11:32] * Nightrose waves to seele and thanks for blog ;-) [11:32] * seele waves back [11:42] well KDM seems to work [11:42] Tonio__: did you find anything out about getting rid of that kbluetooth dialogue? [11:52] french translations seems pretty complete [11:59] except for openoffice that is [12:01] Riddell: Ive a small bug in open office here, care to confirm? [12:01] open an existing presentation, click save as, at the bottom of the save dialog, you have 4 tick boixes, 3 of them without descriptions [12:02] known bug [12:02] apachelogger: ok, thanks. [12:02] the kde file dialog in ooo is somewhat broken [12:02] pls fix kthxbai :P [12:03] also, is the "not connected when connected icon" in knetworkmanager on someones todo? [12:04] *shrug* [12:04] * apachelogger gave up on knm 4 cycles ago [12:06] I have no problems with knm currently [12:09] well, it doesn't show any wifi networks on my laptop it seems [12:09] anyway, gotta get myself a new hair cut :) [12:09] Riddell: I still have the bug where when connected to a wired network it shows a disconnecte icon [12:11] says on LP that its fixed, however Im fully updated... [12:11] bug 404309 [12:11] Launchpad bug 404309 in plasma-widget-network-manager "network manager plasmoid connects but shows "disconnected" icon" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404309 [12:11] although thats in the plasmoid it seems [12:14] screenshot here: http://imagebin.ca/view/Yl2akDFC.html [12:16] jussi01: that's connected [12:16] o.O [12:17] SO what does disconnected look like? [12:17] not an ethernet cable [12:17] ok. Maybe the icon needs a re work then, because that to me screams disconnected. [12:18] thanks for clarifying though. [12:28] Shouldn't mplayerthumbs depend on mplayer or mplayer-nogui, not only on mplayer? [12:51] Riddell: yep I'll patch this, probably toonight [12:51] hi humans [12:51] Riddell: I'm just back to paris in fact [12:51] Riddell: also I'll push the patch upstream [12:52] Riddell: talking about knetworkmanager, it sometimes crashes and restart, then I get 2 icons in the systray, one of them not responding to clicks [12:52] Riddell: no idea if I'm the only one concerned === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [13:00] hi, could someone check what the latest version of knetworkmanager available for 9.04 is? [13:01] i am getting a lot of bug reports for fixed bugs and i fear it is going to be something like svn revision 1017xxx and nothing fresher [13:01] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1017&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1017 | Torben & Fritz & Lars: Addes kmailion.xpm [13:32] Riddell: horses-mouth ping [13:35] * seele wonders what that means [13:35] as in "straight from the horses mouth" [13:35] ah hah [13:35] since nobody answered my general query and friendly kubuntu users i asked privately couldn't find out [13:36] but then allegedly "riddell has some packages with 1017xyz, but only for karmic" [13:36] and those could be installed on jaunty right? [13:36] i have 188 duplicate bug reports from people using that svn revision knetworkmanager on "9.04" [13:43] hi wstephenson [13:43] !info knetworkmanager jaunty-backports [13:43] Package knetworkmanager does not exist in jaunty-backports [13:43] sorry was busy doing upgrade testing [13:44] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.1~svn1023224-0ubuntu1~jaunty1 [13:44] jussi01: it's something like plasmoid-network-management not knetworkmanager [13:44] ahh [13:44] Riddell: are there any stale 1017xyz versions in anyone else's repo? [13:45] I seem to have 0.1~svn1017841 in my PPA [13:45] wouldn't expect anyone is using that but I can delete it [13:46] Riddell: please do [13:46] 188 users seem to be using it [13:46] and 0.0+svn966653-0ubuntu0.1 is in jaunty normal repos. [13:49] wstephenson: all gone [13:49] Riddell: would it be possible to correct the package version number? 1017841 was 0.8, 102xxxx is 0.9 [13:49] wstephenson: yes although not until next week, beta freeze this week [13:50] Riddell: want me to add a todo to nag you next week? [13:50] sure :) [14:03] rgreening: That was a sabdfl decision, I understand. [14:04] Riddell: On the topic of KDM, the regression is in fact fixed, but I stil can't log out successfully. [14:05] are you shipping policykit-1 or the earlier versions, btw? [14:09] Policykit-1 in Karmic [14:10] there's no kde frontend, though [14:11] Version: 0.9-4ubuntu1 of libpolkit for Kubuntu [14:12] ScottK: yeah. I thought it would make you happier though :) [14:13] JontheEchidna: ouch... [14:13] rgreening: It does, a bit. [14:13] * rgreening 2 ScottK [14:13] Policykit + KDE is a feature goal for KDE 4.4. [14:14] so, do we need a KDE front end? or the gtk/gnome nust be installed? [14:14] nothing we have requires it yet [14:14] it's why we're on an old version of packagekit [14:18] i see [14:18] JontheEchidna: reason I ask was I did a clean install the other day, and could not get authed to used kpackagkit... [14:18] rgreening: kpackagekit still uses policykit 0.9, by virture of packagekit using 0.9 [14:19] does ubuntu allow co-installing both the old packagekit and the new one (for gnome) then so kpackagekit can work? [14:19] fedora are shipping the gnome auth agent in -kde, looks like we will do the same since nobody has time to rewrite polkit-qt and write a kde UI. [14:19] JontheEchidna: well, it was busted on a clean install the other day. Hav't tried in last two days... [14:21] wstephenson: we'll need to add it to the seeds I guess... ScottK, Riddell ^ [14:21] UDS sponsorship deadline today https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-September/000622.html [14:21] anyone who hasn't filled in the form should [14:21] rgreening: packagekit doesn't use policykit-1 [14:21] your bustage is a totally separate issue [14:21] JontheEchidna: hmm... what are we shipping then? Im confused [14:22] regular old policykit 0.9 [14:22] and what is wstephenson referring too then... heh [14:22] * rgreening see this all through a shady haze of winter [14:22] he's talking about policykit 1.0 [14:23] which in the way of these kits is incompatible [14:23] JontheEchidna: is polkit 0.9 coinstallable on *buntu with 1.0 ? [14:23] wstephenson: yes [14:23] otherwise i can imagine updates breaking... [14:25] lol [14:34] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/432521/comments/3 [14:34] Launchpad bug 432521 in kdebase-workspace "kdm does not restart X server (that crashed on logout)" [Undecided,New] [14:36] ScottK: I can confirm that, milestoned [14:58] Riddell: kdm wasn't working for me yesterday. [14:59] yuriy: how about today? [15:00] was there an update? i'll give it a try [15:00] no [15:00] does "start kdm" work ? [15:00] what's in /etc/init/kdm.conf ? [15:01] Riddell: you forgot the magic of sudo ;) [15:02] I concur with rgreening, kpackagekit isn't working [15:03] * yuriy wonders why he has to fsck every time he boots [15:05] Riddell: something broke within the last 5 days I believe... [15:06] Riddell: but only on the live install. Updating with a current system.. my kpackagkit is still working [15:06] not sure why... === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:23] Riddell: it seems to be working now, dunno what happened yesterday === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:34] karmic rocks! === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [15:49] * apachelogger falls in [15:49] Quintasan: disagree [15:49] * Quintasan gets a tape and tapes apachelogger [15:50] I am taped it seems [15:50] freeze-- [15:51] * apachelogger prepares bzr push [15:53] oh, looks like two less plasmoids in archive [15:53] * apachelogger is not sure if he likes that but probably does [15:53] amarok and kopete runners are in kdereview [15:54] technical those are not plasmoids :P [15:54] having them packaged is about as useless as the python plasmoids though :P [15:55] well I only packaged kopete runner :P [15:55] ah darn it [15:55] * apachelogger syncs qt bzr branch with archive [15:55] lol [15:56] I uploaded some packages to ubuntu and I was like: "WTF why there are not in REVU?" [15:56] huh? [15:56] dont get that [15:57] Riddell: should I not get round to poke into it ... the bzr qt branch holds a fix that makes the package create kdeqt.pot [15:57] I forgot to put revu in command and did "dput sauce.changes" [15:57] that template then somehow needs to be hooked up with that comes in via kde-l10n [15:58] Quintasan: oh [15:58] in dput.cf [15:58] [DEFAULT] [15:58] default_host_main = notspecified [15:58] [notspecified] [15:58] fqdn = SPECIFY.THE.STUPID.ARCHIVE [15:58] incoming = . [15:58] hmm, which input method the plasmoid uses? xim or ibus? [15:59] Quintasan: that pretty much forces you into providing a name :) [16:00] lol, thanks [16:00] apachelogger: great [16:00] apachelogger: I can't persuade you to come to UDS I suppose? [16:02] nope, I might get arrested in a public toilet, happens quite often in texas I have been told ;) [16:02] * Quintasan lol'd very hard [16:03] though on a more important matter I will start studying soonish, and I'd rather not get out of the loop the first semester [16:04] I should be able to attend >=10.10 though [16:05] more studying? [16:05] apachelogger: you only get arrested if you slide your briefcase to the side, tap your foot and hum softly to the person in the next stall, at least according to Boston Legal :P [16:06] Riddell: university this time http://portal.tugraz.at/portal/page/portal/TU_Graz/Studium_Lehre/Studien/Softwareentwicklung_bak [16:06] :O new episodes for boston legalö ??? [16:06] where ? [16:06] :D [16:06] haha.. that last last season I believe. season 4? maybe [16:06] rgreening: hm, I am quite sure I would go beyond that :P [16:07] And I believe they ended the show at season 5. [16:07] apachelogger: hahah [16:07] I bet... [16:07] talking about tv entertainment [16:07] I am the doctor [16:08] and I will heal our reputation [16:08] lol [16:08] * apachelogger gets his sonic screwdriver and jumps right at the problems [16:08] oh oh oh.. I want one [16:10] * Quintasan is looping one track in Amarok since yesterday [16:11] that happened to me once [16:11] only noticed after half a day [16:11] was too busy with other things to notice anyway though :P [16:11] the problem is I 've done it on purpose :P [16:11] now that is kinda weird [16:12] I wonder how's Shaman and Raptor Menu doing [16:12] isnt shaman a package manager or something? [16:12] it is [16:13] far better than packagekit imo [16:13] +k [16:13] or it was "way better" [16:13] hmm [16:14] Man, the next Doctor Who special isn't until November [16:14] oh, that's next month [16:14] xmas special is going to be epic [16:14] it's a two-parter, I hear [16:15] that is the rumor [16:15] wants frindge back [16:15] i love pacy inside of frindge [16:15] :D [16:16] * apachelogger is sure looking forward to torchwood season 5 [16:16] season 4 was quite awesome alright [16:16] nah [16:16] torhwood bah [16:16] -_- [16:16] why is everyone loving this damn soap [16:16] :D [16:17] john barrowman is considerable hot, even though he is >40y [16:17] though that might not be the main reason :P [16:18] meh, I want my japanese input back [16:18] Quintasan: I really must wonder how you manage to break stuff that often [16:18] apachelogger: my skill in breaking things is over 9000 ;P [16:18] apachelogger: also skim isn't working since 4.0 :P [16:19] now I have input method plasmoid but dunno if it uses ibus or xim :/ [16:20] cool [16:20] so localization for all of asia is broken since 8.10? [16:21] propably yes [16:22] rofl [16:22] and you said karmic rox :P [16:22] anywho [16:22] even better: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/427335 last comment [16:22] Launchpad bug 427335 in quassel "U/I Freeze Exception Request" [Undecided,Fix released] [16:23] apachelogger: new torchwood!?!?!??! OMG awesome. Loved that show [16:23] see, even rgreening likes john barrowman :D [16:23] apachelogger: well its possible to use input methods once again :P [16:23] Im straight and think he's awesome :) [16:23] haha [16:23] rgreening: rumor has it that some dude from BBC america stated that there will be a 5th season [16:24] cool [16:24] The last mini series was awesome. My wife even watched and loved it [16:24] I want a UNIT series :P [16:25] yeah, loved it, also they got the music right for once [16:25] * rgreening agrees. very moving [16:25] rgreening: thatd be awesome. a series full of Dr Martha Jones [16:25] * rgreening has started collecting the Doctor Who and Torchwood BBC books [16:25] Martha was the best [16:25] but she's going to Law & Order: London :( [16:25] nooooooo [16:25] :( [16:25] oh well [16:25] UNIT [16:26] like they just wanted to blow up earth in the season finale of DW season 4 :P [16:26] bastards [16:26] hah [16:27] * rgreening orders sonic screwdriver set from amazon [16:27] * apachelogger giggles [16:27] also: after that mini-series, it seems we wont get to ogle John Barrowman in future Torchwood. Jack left :( But maybe Gwen's in charge now? [16:30] hm, unlikely [16:30] getting rid of Gareth David-Lloyd was bad enough :P [16:31] maco: the leaving was possibly just shown because they were not sure there will be another season [16:31] educated guess that is [16:32] Hi. [16:32] How do I build the sesame2 backend from nepomuk on kubuntu? [16:32] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.buildsystem/4767 [16:33] What am I missing from there? [16:34] sudo apt-get build-dep soprano-backend-sesame should get you all that you need [16:35] then you'll be able to build it [16:37] JontheEchidna, steveire: that will install the openjdk though ... which requires export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk [16:38] AFAIK that is [16:38] wut, where is dontzap? [16:38] got moved to kxkb [16:39] ohhhh [16:39] that is not translated [16:39] -.- [16:40] apachelogger: I've already got the jdk [16:40] then you possibly just need to export the java_home var [16:41] Ok, I did that, and it worked. [16:41] I'm very surprised that I have to manually set an env var like that. [16:41] Usually packages do that for me, right? [16:42] not really [16:43] you could have multiple jdks installed [16:43] so setting the var would require the packages to somehow know which one is best choice or something [16:44] はははは [16:44] lol [16:44] works [16:44] :D [16:44] oh dear [16:45] oh [16:45] fun [16:45] karmic > all [16:45] the whole keyboard layout kcm is not translated here [16:45] very weird [16:45] * apachelogger checks laptop [16:45] hum [16:45] there it works [16:45] weird [16:47] ばか！ [16:48] Quintasan: well thats not very nice [16:48] maco: not directed at anyone :P [16:49] so how'd you do that? i usually use scim (not skim) and umm...well i found out i have to set an environment var then lauch app from same shell and blah blah :( [16:49] So how do I permanently set JAVA_HOME systemwide? [16:50] maco: sudo aptitude install ibus ibus-anthy, place Input Panel Method somewhere, run ibus-setup and Add anthy [16:51] maco: then you need to manually set input method for each window to ibus manually, press ctrl+space and you are ready to go [16:51] ok thanks [16:52] do i need ibus-qt4? [16:52] propably [16:52] wtf, why rand() returns same numer each time? (C++) [16:52] number* [16:59] Quintasan: you probably need to seed it [17:00] I find it funny that usually bugs in any language other than english get rejected but apport is allowed to report in any language [17:01] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32615839/DpkgTerminalLog.txt [17:01] ideas? [17:02] the postinst of akonadiprivate only contains a call to ldconfig [17:06] some progress on PK in shaman == FTBFS [17:06] :D [17:07] Lovely. Kpackagekit crashes while trying to update packages and then Apport kindly explains the bug can't be reported because I have obsolete packages. [17:07] * ScottK goes back to apt. [17:08] apachelogger: that usually means the post-inst script is corrupted [17:11] nothing we can fix from a package standpoint. But it's quite a sticky situation for the user. [17:11] Makes it reasonably impossible to report upgrading bugs on packagekit [17:21] Riddell: I think we should register the KDE ubuntu/debian bzr branches with CIA. Can we discuss doing this at UDS (or sooner)? [17:22] rgreening: for what purpose? [17:22] Riddell: attacha bot here for one to see changes being made... === wstephenson is now known as _wstephenson [17:22] CIA is a great way to track changes [17:23] and you can subscribe to the RSS feed for it [17:23] didn't apachelogger do something like that with kubotu? [17:23] so you can track changes in a package you ar einterested in. [17:23] JontheEchidna: doesn't seem active if he did... [17:23] or I am unaware of it. [17:24] well, yeah. Just saying that we might already have some infastructure in place for that [17:24] I found it extremely useful in developing usb-creator with evand under ubuntu-installer. We used CIA and had RSS feeds of the project. I was always aware of changes. [17:24] Riddell: ^ [17:24] especially when more than one is working on a change... [17:25] * rgreening thinks it would be useful. [17:26] * JontheEchidna too [17:26] It's also nice to know when someone has committed a bit you wish to test. [17:27] without having to go and manually check or ask if it was updated... [17:27] * rgreening think automagic it nice [17:28] brb.. rbt [17:29] it's currently planned to make kdm start really early on in the boot process, right? [17:30] * yuriy is afraid of "currently planned" a month before release [17:31] if all else fails, I don't think it'd be too hard to revert to usplash at the last moment [17:32] just wondering where to place a bug saying that there's no splash screen [17:37] anyone else having issues with indicator icon not "indicating" when new messages are showing up? [17:37] for me the indicator always has the not-new-mail icon [17:38] even though the indication items show up in the applet just fine [17:38] the icon just never changes [17:39] JontheEchidna: yeah. exactly. It did work a little while back.. but stopped... [17:39] Riddell: ^ something to bug agateau with if you see him before I do [17:39] "see" being "is online" [17:40] :P [17:40] rgreening: it causes quite the flood [17:41] apachelogger: what does? CIA? [17:41] any kind of commit notification [17:41] also, CIA integration would require client side submission [17:41] if it is busy flooding, thats good, means we are developing [17:41] or something that hooks into launchpad branches and submits to CIA [17:41] rgreening: makes discussion difficult though [17:41] apachelogger: look at #ubuntu-installer. we do it there. [17:42] that is one branch [17:42] in fact, there are pages on ubuntu docs as to how to set it up [17:42] not >20 [17:42] apachelogger: maybe is can be setup for RSS only or go to a kubuntu-devel-cia channel [17:43] if you are afraid of floods [17:43] * rgreening doesn't see an issue === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [17:43] for RSS it still would output each rss entry which represents one commit :P [17:43] #ubuntu-installer has ubiquity, usb-creator, etc... btw apachelogger [17:43] that still does not make >20, does it :P [17:44] apachelogger: In that suggestion I assumed a RSS feed one would sub to and not on the channel though (in that case) [17:44] also, with more movement towards bzr based development the amount of stuff kubuntu would be interested in rises [17:44] stop being argumentative for the sake of being argumenetative :) hahah [17:44] :P [17:44] srsly [17:44] there is a problem [17:44] use vs. disruptiveness [17:45] gak! [17:45] * rgreening goes back to bieng non-productive [17:46] lol [17:46] sweet baby jesus [17:46] I am in the urgent need of making my sister stop singing [17:47] that is worse than a cat crying [17:47] seriously [17:47] wtf [17:47] apachelogger: turn up your music.... [17:47] aye [17:47] Roeyksopp! [17:47] GO AWAY :D [17:49] hm [17:49] whatever happened to the bot anyway [17:53] kubotu: hi [17:53] re apachelogger :D [17:58] ~np apachelogger [17:58] apachelogger is listening to "Go Away" by Röyksopp [The Understanding (bonus disc), 2005]; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [17:59] ~np jussi01 [17:59] jussi01 listened to "What If You" by Joshua Radin [We Were Here] 5 days ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/jussi01 for more [18:13] this is odd.. copying selections from qt-based apps does not work anymore.. but other apps do [18:14] davmor2: have you tested wubi on kubuntu recently? [18:14] not today why I've been doing uec [18:14] I can fire up an install in about 15 minutes-ish [18:15] Riddell: ^ [18:16] davmor2: I just havn't tried it all cycle, but I presume you must have at some point? [18:16] hahahahahahahahaha yes [18:17] all cycle? can you install wubi on wine? [18:19] ~np rgreening [18:19] rgreening is listening to "The Islander" by Nightwish [Dark Passion Play, 2008]; see http://www.last.fm/user/rgreening for more [18:19] \o/ works again for me :) [18:19] rgreening: I found a couple of reproducible bugs for arora [18:20] but it is on jaunty and version 0.8... so I am not sure if that is still relevant [18:20] kubotu: rescan [18:20] saving ... [18:20] rescanning ... [18:20] done. 10 core modules loaded; 50 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load [18:20] identica status [18:20] kubotu: identica status [18:20] http://2tu.us/sjt Konversation vs. Quassel swarm (15 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes and 34 seconds ago via choqoK) [18:20] hrrr [18:20] <= leet [18:20] heh. ok... yeah, 0.9.0 has lots of fixes [18:21] kubotu: identica dent just made rbot able to dent... I suppose [18:21] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help identica' [18:21] Is there a 0.9 package for jaunty? [18:21] darn you [18:21] ~identica update hello [18:21] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help identica' [18:21] ah [18:21] dont think so... Riddell JontheEchidna ^ arora backport of rjaunty? [18:21] kubotu: identica dent just made rbot able to dent... I suppose [18:21] status updated [18:21] kubotu: identica status [18:21] just made rbot able to dent... I suppose (7 seconds ago via rbot) [18:22] yay [18:22] * apachelogger does the doctor dance [18:23] ~identica update hello from #kubuntu-devel [18:23] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help identica' [18:24] rgreening: Doesn't matter... I think I will try to install the kamic beta somewhere and check it there before submitting any bugs [18:24] Riddell: you need to use dent [18:24] ~identica dent hello from #kubuntu-devel [18:24]