[03:42] <zooko> I would like to rename the project page in launchpad from
[03:42] <zooko> allmydata-tahoe to tahoe-lafs.
[03:42] <zooko> Ideally a vestigial "forwarding" page would be left at allmydata-tahoe pointing to tahoe-lafs for a while (a few years?).
[03:42] <zooko> How do I do such a thing?
[03:49] <lifeless> mwhudson: ^
[03:54] <spm> zooko: create a request here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad ping me back with the ##, I'll verify that's you doing the asking and make it so. we can create aliases, not forwarding pages; but the result is essentially the same.
[03:57] <zooko> spm: thanks!
[04:25] <zooko> That's a weird URL: Preparing to replace knode 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 (using .../knode_4%3a4.3.1-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb) ...
[04:25] <zooko> Unpacking replacement knode ...
[04:25] <zooko> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/knode_4%3a4.3.1-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:25] <zooko>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/kontact_knodeplugin.so', which is also in package kontact
[04:25] <zooko> Whoa, sorry about that.
[04:25] <zooko> Let me try again.  That's a weird URL: https://launchpad.net/karmic
[04:26] <zooko> spm: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84065
[04:26] <spiv> spm: also, <zooko> Let me try again.  That's a weird URL: https://launchpad.net/karmic
[04:27] <spiv> zooko: yeah, I guess we should add the ubuntu code names to the blacklist...
[04:27] <zooko> Dear launchpad folks: I want to report a bug.  apport won't work for me at the moment.  I go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs and there is a button labelled "report a bug".
[04:27] <zooko> But when I click it, I don't get to report a bug right there on the web site.  I get instructions on how to use Ubuntu tools like apport to report a bug.
[04:27] <lifeless> spiv: they should be anyway, as pillars, no ?
[04:28] <zooko> I can't find the way to report a bug directly through the launchpad site.
[04:28] <lifeless> zooko: thats a thing the #ubuntu-bugs folk wanted
[04:28] <zooko> Howdy, spiv.
[04:28] <spiv> zooko: hey :)
[04:28] <lifeless> its not universally supported by said developers
[04:28] <lifeless> there is a link on that wiki page that says 'if you really really want to you can ...'
[04:28] <zooko> lifeless: oh thanks, I was looking for something like that but didn't see it.
[04:28] <zooko> I guess it's late and I'm getting tired and impatient.
[04:29] <lifeless> zooko: personally I think its terrible, and other core devs also think that :)
[04:29] <zooko> Actually, I still don't see it.
[04:29] <zooko> Where's the "if you really want to" part?
[04:29] <lifeless> whats the wiki page you ended up on
[04:30] <lifeless> nvm I'll clicky clicky through
[04:30] <spm> zooko: ref the project rename, did you mean rename https://edge.launchpad.net/allmydata.org ? as https://edge.launchpad.net/allmydata-tahoe doesn't exist.
[04:31] <lifeless> zooko: actually, for me, I get a lp form
[04:32] <lifeless> zooko: can you try
[04:32] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[04:32] <lifeless> zooko: otherwise, on the wiki page 'To file a bug against a specific package use a url similar to the following' is the leadup text to the link (which needs editing)
[04:33] <zooko> spm: yes I did.
[04:34] <spiv> lifeless: for me, that url (and ubuntu/karmic/+filebug) redirect to the ReportingBugs page on the wiki.
[04:35] <lifeless> spiv: immediately?
[04:35] <spiv> lifeless: yes.
[04:35] <lifeless> wow
[04:35] <zooko> :-(
[04:35] <lifeless> must be looking at groups now, and I'm in motu so a member of bugcontrol
[04:35] <spm> zooko: all done: https://edge.launchpad.net/tahoe-lafs
[04:35] <zooko> spm: thanks!
[04:35] <spiv> lifeless: yeah, that's my guess.
[04:43] <lifeless> zooko: and on that page, search for "To file a bug against a specific package use a url similar to the following"
[04:53] <wgrant> lifeless, spiv: Right. Keybuk screamed, so the Ubuntu bug supervisor is now excluded from the redirect.
[04:55] <lifeless> wgrant: keybuk wasn't the only one :)
[04:55] <wgrant> lifeless: Right, but he was the one that filed an allcaps bug report.
[04:55] <zooko> Hee hee.
[04:56] <ScottK> My impression is that the change is roughly as popular among users.
[04:57] <zooko> For what it is worth, I don't mind when someone says "Please do it THIS way.  We like THIS way is GREAT.  Also, you can do it THAT way.".
[04:57] <zooko> However, I rather mind when the THAT involves building a URL and figuring out the source package without benefit of the source-package-search-engine that the previous version of launchpad had.
[04:58] <zooko> So, yeah, this one user says "This could be improved".
[04:58] <zooko> So, yeah, I give up on reporting these packaging issues in kdepim.  Got too many more important things to do now.
[04:59] <ScottK> zooko: Feedback for that change is best in #ubuntu-bugs as they are the ones that asked for it.
[04:59] <lifeless> zooko: you'll find everyone in the world except the bug triagers agrees with you.
[04:59] <wgrant> I'm sure that even many of the bug triagers agree.
[05:00] <lifeless> its a terrible thing to write software and have people not use it
[05:00] <zooko> Okay, I've said my piece on #ubuntu-bugs.
[05:00] <ScottK> OTOH, a fair fraction of them seem interested in little other than reducing the count of open bugs.  Reducing new bugs filed, helps.
[05:00] <lifeless> I'd say 'file a bug on this'
[05:00] <lifeless> but that would be a terrible irony
[08:04] <DBO> Im not entirely sure I am doing things right. How long after using dput should it take my package to show up in launchpad?
[08:09] <wgrant> DBO: < 5 minutes.
[08:09] <wgrant> DBO: Anything longer means that you didn't sign the package properly.
[08:09] <DBO> ok then i musta done gone screwed up
[08:09] <DBO> wgrant, hehehe, whats it mean to "sign" a package?
[08:09] <wgrant> Sorry, anything longer *without a rejection email* means you didn't sign it properly.
[08:10] <DBO> i code monkey, not good with package monkey
[08:10] <wgrant> DBO: Check the .changes file for a signature.
[08:10] <DBO> mmmm
[08:11] <DBO> okay I'll just assume I did this wrong
[08:12] <DBO> wgrant, can you tell me 1) where I get a signing key?
[08:12] <DBO> 2) where I apply said signing key
[08:12] <wgrant> DBO: Do you have an OpenPGP key with a UID that matches precisely (including any comment) your name and email address in the changelog?
[08:12] <DBO> i didn't even add a changelog entry
[08:13] <DBO> is there a proper way to do that?
[08:13] <DBO> and no I dont have an OpenPGP key
[08:13] <wgrant> Yes. But you want to read the packaging guide and https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA.
[08:13] <DBO> no, i dont *want* to but I have a feeling I have to
[08:14] <DBO> i *want* to submit a patch and have a package made
[08:14] <DBO> :)
[08:14] <DBO> sorry, packaging always brings out the worst in me
[08:18] <mwhudson> DBO: it's not that bad once you get set up
[08:18] <mwhudson> dch -i, debuild -S, dput
[08:18] <DBO> this is why god made packagers
[08:18] <DBO> and why I love them so much
[08:19] <DBO> most valued member of my team :)
[08:19] <DBO> too bad we lost ours :(
[12:15] <menesis> There are translations stuck in import queue, where do I ask for them to be reviewed?
[12:22] <menesis> The links are incorrect at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation#The import queue
[13:23] <abb> Hi, I'm trying to convert a Bug report (Bug #433515) into a question, but each time I attempt this, I get a "Timeout Error, Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad" error (OOPS-1367EC560).  Is there a known problem with LP today?  If not, could someone kindly take a look at the aforementioned bug and tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[13:24] <abb> (I was referred here from #ubuntu-bugs; apologies if this isn't the right channel for questions...)
[13:26] <abb> Nevermind, fixed.
[13:27] <abb> (For some reason it just took..um...5 attempts.)
[13:27] <james_w> abb: please reprot a bug with that information
[13:28] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[13:30] <abb> will do, James, but ... I mean, yeah, I guess that's not something I should just chalk up to "Internet/Web Weirdness you run into every day" heh
[14:56] <DBO> sooooo launchpad has been "updating branch" 20 minutes now
[14:56] <DBO> and nobody can pull my latest revision
[14:56] <DBO> however if I try to push again, it says its already pushed
[14:56] <DBO> whats going on?
[15:04] <DBO> if it makes any difference, this branch is experiencing the issue https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~docky-core/docky/trunk
[15:07] <noodles775_> DBO: sorry, I got disconnected, but are you having issue with branches not updating? If so, I'm seeing the same with https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel
[15:08] <DBO> noodles775_, lets for an angry mob
[15:08] <DBO> form
[15:08] <noodles775_> heh
[15:09] <DBO> im going to assume by the silence here that the team is aware of the issue and busy fixing it
[15:09] <allenap> DBO: Yes :)
[15:09] <allenap> DBO: Sorry for the lack of feedback.
[15:10] <DBO> thanks for the hard work launchpad doods
[15:11] <DBO> ill go eat or something while I wait
[15:19] <Fly-Man-> Morning
[15:19] <Fly-Man-> Is anyone monitoring the import queue for the translations ?
[15:21] <DBO> Fly-Man-, it may be that those are broken too right now
[15:21] <Fly-Man-> Because I have an import that could use a bump
[15:22] <Fly-Man-> Hmm, broken in what way ?
[15:22] <DBO> well at least code updates are stuck in limbo for me right now
[15:27] <Fly-Man-> Hmm, that doesn't sound too good
[15:33] <noodles775_> Fly-Man-: henninge might be able to give you an update on the translations import queue?
[15:34] <Fly-Man-> henninge: *ping*
[15:34] <Fly-Man-> Let's see if he can :)
[15:34]  * henninge can do a lot - but not everything ... ;-)
[15:35] <Fly-Man-> henninge: Any guessed then ;) ?
[15:36] <rodrigo_> hi
[15:37] <rodrigo_> I've pushed to a branch 30 minutes ago, and it seems to be stuck refreshing the branch details -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntuone-servers/mark-notes-added-in-web-ui
[15:37] <henninge> Fly-Man-: which import are you talking about? (project name)
[15:37] <rodrigo_> is there something wrong going on in LP?
[15:37] <noodles775_> rodrigo_: yes, there is currently an issue with branches being updated - it's being investigated now.
[15:37] <rodrigo_> noodles775_: ah, ok, thanks
[15:38] <Fly-Man-> henninge: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/fusionforge/trunk/+imports
[15:43] <XDevHald> Is it worth building and running Launchpad on an internal web server of Ubuntu?
[15:44] <XDevHald> What are the benefits of this being on my desktop compared to viewing it on the site it self
[15:45] <henninge> Fly-Man-: what should this template be called? gforge/debian/dsf-po/templates.pot
[15:45] <henninge> dsf?
[15:46] <Fly-Man-> Good Q
[15:46] <Fly-Man-> I have no clue where they're from
[15:46] <Fly-Man-> as I did the import from bzr
[15:46] <Fly-Man-> and these came up as well
[15:47] <henninge> Fly-Man-: phpwiki sounds like it's an external program, too.
[15:47] <Fly-Man-> it's an plugin
[15:47] <henninge> Fly-Man-: so are you just interested in gforge.pot?
[15:47] <Fly-Man-> Yeah
[15:47] <Fly-Man-> the ones in the translations folder
[15:47] <henninge> Fly-Man-: the fourth is from a directory with "test" in its path, I guess you don't need that either.
[15:47] <Fly-Man-> gforge/translations/*.po and the pot file
[15:48] <Fly-Man-> Nope
[15:48] <Fly-Man-> I just need the ones that are in translations
[15:48] <henninge> Fly-Man-: ok, I'll block three and approve one.
[15:48] <Fly-Man-> gforge/translations
[15:49] <Fly-Man-> Later we can add series of plugins, etc, right ?
[15:49] <Fly-Man-> FusionForge Plugins
[15:49] <Fly-Man-> with the plugins inside, then the languages
[15:50] <henninge> Fly-Man-: you can add more templates later, just make sure your directory layout makes it clear which translations belong to which template.
[15:51] <Fly-Man-> Okay
[15:51] <henninge> Fly-Man-: read the documentation on that ... ;-)
[15:51] <Fly-Man-> henninge: I will :)
[15:51] <Fly-Man-> Let's start with the translations bits first
[15:51] <Fly-Man-> then later we can add the plugins, etc
[15:51] <henninge> Fly-Man-: I approved the template. The other three I set to blocked.
[15:52] <Fly-Man-> k
[15:52] <Fly-Man-> and the translations itself
[15:52] <henninge> Fly-Man-: please delete the po files from the queue that you do not want.
[15:52] <Fly-Man-> those will go automatic ?
[15:52] <henninge> Fly-Man-: yes
[15:53] <Fly-Man-> K
[15:54] <Fly-Man-> Then it's settled now
[15:54] <Fly-Man-> I changed the other ones to deleted
[15:54] <Fly-Man-> so it'll import the translations
[15:55] <Fly-Man-> And later this day will do an export of the translations part to the bzr branch I made
[15:55] <Fly-Man-> correct ?
[16:05] <beuno> intellectronica, I can't make the UI call
[16:06] <intellectronica> beuno: worry not. we have just resolved to not have a call since so many participants are missing and there's no agenda. instead i'm collecting status updates and will send to the list shortly
[16:07] <intellectronica> beuno: if you have anything interesting to add feel free to send me an update
[16:09] <beuno> intellectronica, none for now. Looking forward to seeing you this week!
[16:24] <MvG> Hi! I've got the feeling that after pushing a rather small branch, https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr-cvsps-import/lp437295 is showing the message "Updating branch..." for what seems like an excessively long time, i.e. half an hour or so. The "Recent revisions" section claims that the branch had not been pushed to yet. What's happening here? Server overloaded, or did my push perhaps go wrong in some way?
[16:25] <Fly-Man-> MvG: It seems that there's an issue
[16:25] <Fly-Man-> that's being taken care of
[16:26] <MvG> Fly-Man-: So I wait and hope. Thanks.
[16:26] <Fly-Man-> yw
[18:32] <andersk> I kinda wish Launchpad would stop sending email about new bzr branches getting automatically linked to an already-fixed bug.
[18:32] <james_w> it already does that
[18:33] <james_w> unless it has regressed
[18:33] <james_w> are you sure there is not an open task on those bugs?
[18:34] <andersk> Oh.  I guess that might explain all the recent cases I noticed.
[18:36] <andersk> For bug 421116, there's an Ubuntu bug marked Fix Released, and an upstream bug in status Unknown, so it still sent a notification when lp:ubuntu/sreadahead got linked.
[20:18] <RenatoSilva> is it true that I can only transalte projects that use LP officially for translations?
[20:19] <RenatoSilva> Moin doesn't use LP for anything officially, but I want to import its po and use rosetta to translate it, then give it back to moin site
[20:24]  * RenatoSilva :(
[20:36] <mjm> is something noticeable supposed to happen if i commit in bzr using --fixes lp:###### ?
[20:36] <mjm> should i see something in launchpad about that?
[21:51] <onaogh> ji
[21:51] <onaogh> hi
[21:51] <onaogh> Launchpad is only for ubuntu  ?
[21:51] <onaogh> launchpad.net
[21:52] <LarstiQ> onaogh: no, not at all
[21:52] <mjm> no way man
[21:52] <LarstiQ> onaogh: there are a lot of non-ubuntu projects on launchpad
[21:52] <mjm> including mine
[21:52] <onaogh> i search for freeradius i cant find it
[21:53] <LarstiQ> onaogh: the freeradius project has it's own infrastructure (like bugs.freeradius.org)
[21:58] <onaogh> anybody familiar with CoovaAP+freeradius setup ?
[21:59] <RenatoSilva> How to translate pos that are not part of any project?
[21:59] <onaogh> pos ??
[22:00] <RenatoSilva> gettext
[22:05] <MTecknology> I'm trying to encrypt a message with somebodies public key from the command line. I know this isn't the right place but you guys deal with this a lot..
[22:13] <Fly-Man-> Morning
[22:13] <Fly-Man-> herb: *ping*
[23:09] <pedahzur> OK, this is annoying: I'm either missing something obvious, or something is broken.  I cannot find *any* submit bug link on launchpad.  Go here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ nothing, search bugs, no results, but no "submit bug" button either. What am I missing?
[23:11] <jpds> pedahzur: You have to select which project you want to report the bug against.
[23:11] <jpds> pedahzur: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers for example, has a list.
[23:12] <jpds> pedahzur: For a bug in Ubuntu, you would go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and click: "Report a bug →".
[23:13] <pedahzur> jpds: OK, how do I select the project? Sorry, this is really basic, I've used launchpad quite a bit before, but it was more straight forward.  "Submit bug" used to walk you through the process, if I remember correctly. Or getting to the Ubuntu screen was easier, or something.  Thanks for the pointers...hopefully I can figure it out from here. :)
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> is launchpad and the ubuntu keyserver related in any way?
[23:15] <jpds> bcurtiswx: No.
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> any idea who maintains it?
[23:15] <jpds> pedahzur: On the page you linked to click the "One project:" button, and type the project name
[23:16] <pedahzur> jpds: Hmm...looks like I'll use ubuntu bug.  The reason I even got here was because I was trying to report a bug from inside an app, and the "Report Bug" menu item wasn't doing anything (no browser, no app, nothing).
[23:16] <pedahzur> jpds: Right, thanks.  I still tend to think launchpad==ubuntu, so when it says project, I think package.  I'm on my way now. Thanks!
[23:25] <pedahzur> jpds: One more question: is there any way to add more than one attachment in a bug report?
[23:26] <pedahzur> Or do I just submit, and then add another comment with attachement?
[23:26] <jpds> pedahzur: Yep, submit as many comments as you feel necessary.
[23:31] <pedahzur> jpds: Thanks for all your help!
[23:55] <MTecknology> Where do I register an import?
[23:55] <MTecknology> err - nvm
[23:55] <MTecknology> I guess I don't need that