[00:14] <mac_v> ckontros: sent the mail :)
[00:14] <ckontros> (sending reply now)
[01:14] <troy_s> Who is working on the panel monochrome icons at the moment?
[01:14] <troy_s> kwwii: ^^^ ?
[01:23] <jonian_g>  troy_s: mac_v
[09:39] <tgpraveen> mac_v: kwwii your opinion on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/437606 ?
[09:40] <mac_v> tgpraveen: hei .. you asked yesterday and left ;p
[09:41] <mac_v> tgpraveen: it sure  , we can fix it ;)
[09:41] <mac_v> s/it/...
[09:45] <tgpraveen> mac_v: hey, yeah just making sure that u didnt miss it.
[09:45] <tgpraveen> it is a regression and usabiity wise not good
[09:45] <tgpraveen> thx
[09:45] <mac_v> ;p
[09:59] <mac_v> kwwii: how does this look? > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/start-here.svg ,  fix for Bug 437379
[10:13] <mat_t> morning all!
[10:39] <kwwii> mac_v: much better
[10:43] <mac_v> kwwii: also , for the dark panels is this color OK > 969696ff ?
[10:44] <kwwii> mac_v: where is that color going to be used?
[10:44] <mac_v> on the panel
[10:44] <mac_v> for the monochrome icons
[10:45] <mac_v> present shade is >  878787ff
[10:45] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, that seems a bit light to me, but I guess I'd need to see it in action
[10:45] <mac_v> kwwii: that is only for the dust theme , UNR , remember you wanted it light ;)
[10:46] <kwwii> mac_v: ahhhh, so that color is for UNR?
[10:46] <mac_v> yeah
[10:46] <kwwii> lol, then yes...it is light enough :p
[10:46] <mac_v> ;)
[10:48] <kwwii> I am heading out to the hospital with my son. Be back later this afternoon
[11:15] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[11:27] <MadsRH> knome -> Ping! :-D
[12:18] <mac_v> kwwii: Humanity is done ;)  ...  also Humanity-Dark done ;)
[12:25] <knome> MadsRH, good day ;) i got your link
[12:26] <psyke83> hi
[12:46] <mat_t> mac_v: can I see the new Ubuntu icon somewhere?
[12:46] <mat_t> mac_v: I don't think we should rush changes like that - I'm not sure if the proposed icon is actually better
[12:47] <mac_v> mat_t: $bzr branch lp:humanity
[12:47] <mac_v> check it out ;)
[12:47] <mac_v> its not a huge change , just made it consistent
[12:48] <mac_v> i made the icon consistent with the larger sizes
[12:48] <mac_v> kwwii: humanity dark > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Humanity-Dark.tar.gz
[12:48] <mac_v> mat_t: ^
[12:49] <mat_t> mac_v: please always try to consult changes like that - it is not a trivial decision
[12:49] <mac_v> mat_t: thats why i asked kwwii first ;)
[12:49] <mat_t> ok :)
[12:51] <psyke83> kwwii: got an update for the metacity that you may like, will send along in a few minutes
[12:52] <mat_t> mac_v: $bzr branch lp:humanity doesn't seem to work
[12:54] <mac_v> mat_t: did you also enter "$" ?
[12:54] <mat_t> yes
[12:54] <mac_v> mat_t: not supposed to ;) >   bzr branch lp:humanity
[12:54] <psyke83> mat_t: when somebody prefixes a line with "$", that's just telling you that you need to type the line at a command prompt on a terminal
[12:55] <knome> psyke83, unless the line is "$ = power"
[12:55] <mat_t> ah, I see - as you can tell I'm not a natural born geek :)
[12:55] <psyke83> :P
[12:55] <mac_v> knome:  ;p
[12:56] <mat_t> mac_v: works now, thanks
[12:56] <knome> ;)
[13:00] <mac_v> mat_t: i'v edited only the 24px icon , you can find the old version > http://launchpad.net/humanity/0.3/0.3/+download/humanity_0.3.1.tar.gz
[13:04] <mat_t> mac_v: ok, I can't get the new one to work somehow
[13:05] <mat_t> mac_v: can we hold with this change please
[13:05] <mac_v> mat_t: it not working as in?
[13:05] <mac_v> its*
[13:07] <mac_v> i only edited the icon , there should be no problem of not working... :(  works fine here
[13:08] <mat_t> mac_v: I like the new indicator icons
[13:08] <mat_t> mac_v: the contrast is much better
[13:08] <mac_v> mat_t: :) thanks
[13:09] <mat_t> mac_v: the bluetooth icon should lose the lozenge though
[13:09] <mat_t> mac_v: let's try just the "B" with no lozenge
[13:10] <mac_v> mat_t: i have the icon ready thats a bug in the app > Bug #437162
[13:11] <mac_v> the notification area uses the icon of the app :/
[13:11] <mac_v> thats the only app which is misbehaving , hence i used the icon with the lozenge
[13:12] <mac_v> no other app[volume,nm,power] does that :/
[13:12] <andreasn> rhythmbox behaves correctly?
[13:13] <mac_v> andreasn: hehe , for now no app specific icons ;)
[13:13] <mat_t> mac_v: so is the bug in the bluetooth applet or in the humanity theme?
[13:13] <mac_v> mat_t: bug in bluetooth
[13:13] <mat_t> mac_v: bluetooth should not be defining the icon
[13:13] <mac_v> the bug report has the patch too , and it has been sent upstream
[13:13] <mat_t> ok
[13:14] <mat_t> mac_v: the little key for secure networks doesn't seem to work
[13:14] <mac_v> mat_t: is it blurry? or.. did not like a key?
[13:15] <mat_t> mac_v: it overlaps with some icons
[13:15] <mat_t> mac_v: and it's not stylistically coherent
[13:15] <mac_v> mat_t: oh , could you show me a screenshot , i tested it with wireless alone
[13:16] <mac_v> mat_t: i had first used a lock , but someone said the vpn also uses the same lock , hence i did the key
[13:16] <mat_t> mac_v: who suggested using key instead of a lock?
[13:16] <mat_t> mac_v: lock is the universally agreed metaphor for secure connections
[13:16] <mac_v> mat_t: not kwwii , i forgot who... i think the lock is better too
[13:17] <mat_t> mac_v: ok, can we revert to lock then pls?
[13:17] <mat_t> mac_v: what does the monitor with blue waves mean?
[13:17] <mac_v> sure ... so there is no probs if the vpn and the secure use similar lock?
[13:18] <mac_v> mat_t: that is for ad-hoc connection
[13:18] <thorwil> mat_t: hi! do you happen to know what the state of matters regarding the countdown banner is? i'd ask newz, but he isn't around
[13:18] <mat_t> thorwil: no idea, check with kwwii when he's back
[13:19] <thorwil> ok
[13:19] <mat_t> mac_v: what's the vpn icon look like?
[13:19] <mac_v> mat_t: could you check in the apps/24/ folder
[13:19] <mac_v> or just a sec
[13:20] <mat_t> mac_v: the monitor icon is very confusing, that is the "ad-hoc" connection?
[13:20] <mac_v> mat_t: previously, i had a wireless icon similar to the greyscale icon but in color kwwii thought that it might be confusing
[13:21] <mac_v> so suggested to use a different icon
[13:21] <mac_v> mat_t: ad-hoc is a mobile connection which can be configured or something like that
[13:21] <mat_t> mac_v: 99% of users would not understand what this monitor means
[13:22] <mac_v> mat_t: the hicolor icon for adhoc , uses just a monitor
[13:22] <mac_v> mat_t: blame the nm for showing the icon ;)
[13:22] <mac_v> i agree it is confusing too , another user showed the icon
[13:22] <mat_t> *sigh*
[13:22] <andreasn> lots of icons in nm :)
[13:23] <mac_v> mat_t: only when i was shown a screenshot ,  i realized that was for ad-hoc and googled ad-hoc ;)
[13:23] <mat_t> mac_v: ok, so let's use a monochrome lock for secure connection and I'll file a bug about this icon
[13:24] <mac_v> mat_t: nah no need bug , i'll just fix it ;)
[13:24] <mac_v> now
[13:24] <mat_t> mac_v: I mean for the monitor icon
[13:25] <andreasn> if you guys want to file bugs on the metaphors used in hicolor, I could take a look at those later on
[13:25] <mac_v> mat_t: oh! yeah , that icon is not necessary
[13:25] <mat_t> yes
[13:25] <mat_t> mac_v: is it a n-m applet bug?
[13:26] <mac_v> mat_t: yes
[13:40] <tgpraveen> http://bayimg.com/GAEjlaACC this is jaunty with humanity icon theme
[13:40] <tgpraveen> so its showing colours doesn't this look better than what's in karmic with monochrome theme?
[13:41] <tgpraveen> shown for eg in http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=130046&d=1254129228
[13:41] <tgpraveen> look especially in the volume icon
[13:44] <mac_v> tgpraveen: the theme has been done for Karmic
[13:45] <mac_v> and there are no problems with the default settings
[13:47] <tgpraveen> mac_v: you mean you like the karmic image icon tray more than the jaunty ones?
[13:47] <mac_v> tgpraveen: yup ;) though i did both the color and the greyscale versions ;p
[13:49] <mac_v> tgpraveen: the main reason is , the notification is a constant presence , so having colors in the area [though fun] is not needed unless it has to grab your attention
[13:50] <mac_v> tgpraveen: therefore only the error icons being in red will make them pop out more and be quickly picked up
[13:51] <tgpraveen> hmm..ok I see ur point.
[13:51] <tgpraveen> and btw now that I do have your attention. in totem
[13:52] <mac_v> tgpraveen: hehe it was not my idea... but i just like the idea the UX had
[13:52] <tgpraveen> in fullscreen the volume icon is very small in the bar at the bottom
[13:53] <mac_v> tgpraveen: totem uses only that size
[13:56] <tgpraveen> mac_v: oh yeah I just checked with human
[13:56] <mac_v> ;p
[13:56] <tgpraveen> it seems so. maybe a bug against totem as it seems there is space available to use a bigger size?
[13:57] <mac_v> tgpraveen: sure file it against totem ;) , humanity has the icons in all sizes
[13:57] <tgpraveen> also after all the complaints I must add that it seems humanity is really really cool and will give a must needed facelift to ubuntu. eg in totem now that play icon is of different colour than the fwd/bkd and other icons it gives prominence to it and improves the overall look
[13:57] <tgpraveen> good job. thanks :)
[13:58] <mac_v>  :)
[13:59] <mac_v> mat_t: btw did you file the nm-applet bug for ad-hoc? if so link pls :) , i'd like to keep track of it
[14:00] <mat_t> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/438111
[14:00] <mac_v> thanks :)
[14:07] <tgpraveen> mac_v: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596601
[14:07] <tgpraveen> in case you want to add
[14:44] <psyke83> kwwii: sent the metacity update to your e-mail, let me know if you like or hate ;)
[14:51] <psyke83> the screenshot is also in my thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1168984
[15:08] <kwwii> re
[15:08] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, I'll check it out in a bit, just returned from the hospital
[15:09] <knome> kwwii, hospital?!
[15:09] <kwwii> my son had an operation today
[15:09] <knome> ah
[15:11] <kwwii> psyke83: as long as the trough border is making a bug on maximised windows I think we have to turn it off :(
[15:23] <psyke83> kwwii: hey, is your son ok?
[15:25] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, it was a planned op (on his foot). As a father everything is important though ;)
[15:25] <psyke83> heh
[15:25] <psyke83> well, glad he's ok
[15:25] <kwwii> yeah, me too :)
[15:25] <psyke83> as for the trough, that's unfortunate... however, I do have a feeling the bug can be fixed. I think that Cimi got confused between this issue in Firefox vs all other apps
[15:27] <psyke83> if it can't, it's not the end of the world if we set the trough back to 0
[15:27] <psyke83> ;)
[15:34] <kwwii> psyke83: actually, I think it looks *much* better with a trough
[15:47] <psyke83> kwwii: true
[15:47] <psyke83> did you see the last comment on the bug report?
[15:48] <psyke83> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/422511
[15:48] <tgpraveen> with humanity if I have a folder open in nautilius then in the boottom panel in the window list nautilius  entry has folder icon with a mouse arrowi
[15:48] <tgpraveen> is thiss intentional?
[15:49] <psyke83> kwwii: this can be fixed with a little effort... according to that comment, Cimi could possibly fix it in Murrine, otherwise it belongs in gtk itself. It should be fixed anyway
[15:51] <psyke83> if you know any gtk (code, not theme) experts, they may be able to lend a hand
[15:51] <psyke83> I imagine it would be a trivial patch
[15:53] <thorwil> kwwii: hi! do you know of a decision regarding the countdown banner?
[15:55] <kwwii> one min, phone
[16:00] <krabador> (please, think seriously about some madsrosendahl stuff...) :)
[16:04] <kwwii> thorwil: I talked to newz about and will have a call in a moment concerning it as well :)
[16:04] <thorwil> kwwii: ok
[16:04] <kwwii> thorwil: essentially, we are letting the community drive it, so don't expect us to be too picky ;)
[16:11] <kwwii> thorwil: so far, AndrewH and one of your versions are at the top of the list...the design team is going to hash things out with matt and get in touch
[16:12] <thorwil> kwwii: note that my set lacks the option of centered numbers like in the last column combined with the A/B style
[16:13] <thorwil> kwwii: but the main reason i'm asking is the slideshow. i don't want to mess with javascript before i hear you even want that one and there's short time left
[16:14]  * thorwil still has half a kitchen to disassemble
[16:25] <psyke83> kwwii: I just noticed that the title text is not centred properly. I'll send the update in a few mins
[16:30] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: when copying files in the notification area the icon which appears to represt file transfer is same as the folder icon with a mouse shouldn't this be something different
[16:30] <tgpraveen1> ? which tells about file transfer?
[16:35] <mac_v> tgpraveen1:  isnt a mouse over a folder an action? example of something to replace it with?
[16:36] <tgpraveen1> um.. maybe something like one folder behind another folder
[16:36] <tgpraveen1> or a file behind a file and
[16:36] <tgpraveen1> also
[16:36] <tgpraveen1> same icon is being used for
[16:37] <tgpraveen1>  if I have a folder open in nautilius then in the bottom panel in the window list nautilius  entry has folder icon with a mouse arrowi
[16:37] <d6g> mac_v: just did some hack on gnome-bluetooth's source code, it seems not hard to use a "bluetooth-enalbed" status icon
[16:37] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: folder over folder > already used for folder copy , file over file > copy
[16:37] <mac_v> d6g: awesome :) , does the icon now work in the panel for you ?
[16:38] <d6g> yes, i created a bluetooth-enabled icon manually and now system tray and menu will use different icons
[16:40] <mac_v> d6g: coudl you ask in #ubuntu-desktop who the maintainer for gnome-bluetooth is and see if we can push your patch :)
[16:40] <mac_v> could*
[16:40] <d6g> sure
[16:40] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: well folder copy or file copy does better represent file transfer so yeah it would be a better sutied icon in the notification area , no?
[16:41] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: and also same icon for that(file operations) and for folder in panel  seems odd?
[16:41] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: AFAIK that icon is used for , *all* file operations , delete and other things too
[16:41] <mac_v> so is your idea applied to that too?
[16:42] <mac_v> in the notification area an also on top of the window , the same icon is used
[16:43] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: there is already a bug , to rename the notification area icon
[16:45] <darkmatter> is there a bug to change the 'resistor' for a wired network to something that at least remotely resembles and ethernet cable ? :P
[16:45] <mac_v> darkmatter: pls no :(   hehe ;p
[16:45] <darkmatter> :P
[16:46] <mac_v> darkmatter: that similar icon is used in firefox , thunderbird , and evolution to denote connection state... hence it might not be tood bad ;)
[16:46] <tgpraveen1> I think there is some confusion here. so let me state everything clearly. there are 2 issues . 1. the currently used icon does not at all depict file operations and as you said the folder behind folder or file behind file would ideally dpeict file operations and hence it should be used in the notification area
[16:47] <tgpraveen1> 2. the currently used icon in the notification area for file operation
[16:47] <tgpraveen1> is same as the icon used in the panel with the window list when nautilius is minimized while viewing a folder and hence too some thing must be changed
[16:48] <tgpraveen1> 3. the icon used in the panel with the window list when nautilius is minimized while viewing a folder and hence too some thing must be changed is using a folder with mouse arrow. I really don't understand why the arrow is present in this case a simple folder icon would be more suited for this purpose. don't you think?
[16:48] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: there is a bug on lp asking for the naming change , cold you comment this on the bug?
[16:48] <mac_v> could*
[16:49] <darkmatter> mac_v: well. if maybe they swung it 45 degrees or so.. it looks... odd... as is on the panel and doesn't really seem to fit (partially because of the angle. since the image goes corner to corner, it actually seems larger than the rest)
[16:49] <knome> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Usplash/logo_comparison.png
[16:49] <knome> anybody have an idea how to make the xubuntu logo (right) look better?
[16:49] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: give me the bug # . but I don't understand what the name change has to do with this. I feel problem with the icon maybe the bug will telll me more
[16:49] <mac_v> darkmatter: yeah , i'v fixed the size in the recent revs
[16:50] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: search in humanity and nautilus
[16:50] <darkmatter> mac_v: ahh... kk.. I'll have to check the latest
[16:50] <knome> (see the mouse tail overlapping the ubuntu logo)
[16:50] <mac_v> darkmatter: also if i do it horizontally , then the vertical space was not used , making it smaller than the rest :(
[16:54] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: about issues 2 and 3?
[16:55] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: anyway , i didnt do that icon ;)   so you are better of convincing Daniel about this :)
[16:56] <darkmatter> mac_v: well, since it's a 'wired' network you could always make a phone jack with stoner eyes :P
[16:57] <mac_v> darkmatter: lol , kwwii just changed that icon ;)
[16:57] <darkmatter> hehe
[16:57] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: humanity-icon-theme this is the right package for the bugs
[16:57] <tgpraveen1> right?
[16:57] <tgpraveen1> am gonna file em then lets see how it goes
[17:03]  * darkmatter returns to his karmic vm
[17:28] <kwwii> psyke83: you probably missed my nasty hack to human metacity
[17:39] <psyke83> kwwii: what hack?
[17:43] <kwwii> I moved it over a few pixels from center
[17:45] <psyke83> kwwii: I can get access to it via "$ bzr lp:human-theme" ?
[17:45] <psyke83> *bzr branch
[17:46] <krabador> please change the splash, i know you can do better... ;)
[17:46] <psyke83> I'll add any hacks into the version I modified (if the hacks are still required - as I fixed a lot of "invisible" rendering errors)
[17:53] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, that is where it is
[17:53] <kwwii> krabador: ???
[17:53] <kwwii> psyke83: killer
[18:00] <psyke83> kwwii: I have the changes at hand now... I'll incorporate your fixes after dinner, and will send along :)
[18:00] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, thanks
[18:01] <kwwii> I promise I will wrap this stuff up tonight ;)
[18:13] <psyke83> kwwii: having dinner now, but I'd like to tweak the gtk theme ever so slightly to bring back the "new" progressbar, will send that with the metacity if I can get a good look from it
[18:13] <psyke83> be back later
[18:14] <mac_v> kwwii: did you check out the humanity icons?
[18:15] <kwwii> mac_v: currently trying to get the icons for gdm
[18:16] <kwwii> mac_v: I'm updating later this evening, finishing the human theme, etc
[18:17] <mac_v> kwwii: UNR folks are asking for a solution soon , :( ,
[18:17] <mac_v> i have done the icons for the dust panel too
[18:17] <kwwii> mac_v: erm, what is that waiting on me?
[18:17] <kwwii> s/what/why
[18:18] <SiDi> kwwii: who wrote the HumanLogin theme ,
[18:18] <SiDi> ?*
[18:18] <kwwii> SiDi: I made it out of other existing themes, why?
[18:18] <kwwii> I tweaked quite a bit
[18:18] <SiDi> Do you know of ways to theme GDM from another gtkrc ?
[18:19] <SiDi> ive been having a bad time trying to figure how to theme combobox entries in gdm...
[18:19] <mac_v> we made the icons dark for human theme and for Ubunutu , right? so now the panel icons are more not clear in Dust... so we had yesterday decided to split the panel icons and make them lighter for Dust and UNR , and name the panel icon theme Humanit_dark with inherits Humanity
[18:19] <mac_v> kwwii: ^
[18:19] <mac_v> kwwii: and the icons for dark panel > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Humanity-Dark.tar.gz
[18:20] <kwwii> wow
[18:20] <mac_v> that ^ works without any problems for me
[18:20] <kwwii> SiDi: it is just a gconf setting
[18:20] <SiDi> a gconf setting to point to a new theme, you mean ?
[18:20] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, I am making my son dinner atm, I will be back in an hour or two and we can wrap things up then, ok?
[18:20] <kwwii> SiDi: yes
[18:21] <SiDi> basically, the combobox entries remain white, even if i put EVERYTHING in my theme to dark...
[18:21] <mac_v> kwwii: sure , no probs
[18:21] <SiDi> im beginning to wonder if the white isnt hardcoded x_x
[18:21] <mat_t> mac_v: I need to create new icons for gdm (power + accessibility), do you know what size they need to be at?
[18:22] <mac_v> mat_t:  i think they are 24px
[18:22] <SiDi> mat_t: the "panel" looks like its about 28px, so the icons should be between 22 and 26 :P
[18:22] <SiDi> most likely 24 :P
[18:22] <mat_t> ok, I'll make them at 24
[18:23] <mac_v> mat_t: could you check the latest rev of humanity and check how the ad-hoc looks?
[18:23] <mac_v> anything scarier than that would need a skull and bones ;p
[18:24] <kwwii> mat_t: I would make them at 22
[18:24] <kwwii> if they need to be 24 we can add padding
[18:24] <mat_t> mac_v: I can't see it, can you upload a screenshot?
[18:24] <mat_t> kwwii: ok, no probs
[18:24] <kwwii> SiDi: the colors in the login theme are often hard-coded
[18:25] <mac_v> mat_t: i dont have an ad-hoc nearby... you could just do a bzr pull from the humanity folder
[18:25] <SiDi> (i meant hardcoded in GDM's source, kwwii )
[18:25] <mac_v> the one you just downloaded
[18:25] <SiDi> we use Albatross as our GDM theme and i can only change the panel itself's color ...
[18:25] <mat_t> mac_v: I did, but the icon does not display anymore...
[18:25] <kwwii> SiDi: does the gtkrc define colors at the top?
[18:25] <SiDi> yes
[18:25] <kwwii> ouch, freaky
[18:26] <mac_v> mat_t: oh , so that network , might have been , out of range :/
[18:26] <SiDi> yeah...
[18:26] <kwwii> it has to work or the humanlogin wouldn't work
[18:26] <kwwii> it would be using black text
[18:26] <SiDi> ive tried every class name with some sexy * everywhere, and only that panel gets themed
[18:26] <SiDi> i'll read gdm's source
[18:26] <kwwii> SiDi: what are you trying to change?
[18:26] <SiDi> but im disappointed by the lack of documentation...
[18:26] <kwwii> exactly
[18:26] <SiDi> kwwii: the combobox entries' background + foreground
[18:26] <mac_v> mat_t: could you check the icon in the folder , Humanity/status/24/nm-adhoc
[18:26] <kwwii> oh, that is typical of gnome these days ;)
[18:26] <SiDi> its black on white atm, but our panel is dark
[18:27] <kwwii> SiDi: it works fine with the humanlogin theme, I cannot understand why it wouldn't work for you
[18:27] <SiDi> me neither, kwwii :(
[18:27] <kwwii> the gtkrc might use hard-coded colors
[18:27] <kwwii> even though they define them at the top
[18:28] <SiDi> i'll boot later in gdm and try to sort this out :P
[18:28] <kwwii> SiDi: combobox bg is the base(bg)
[18:28] <SiDi> s/in gdm/in karmic/
[18:29] <SiDi> what a **** great idea they had to use custom names for all their gtk widgets...
[18:34] <mat_t> mac_v: hm, didn't seem to make any change... can you email it to me?
[18:35] <mac_v> mat_t: email takes too long ;p ... here > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-adhoc.svg
[18:36] <zniavre> SiDi,  http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3742/capturewk.png
[18:37] <mat_t> mac_v: I don't think this solves the confusion... In essence, it's a security issue... How about a lock with the warning triangle?
[18:38] <mat_t> It needs to be *very* subtle
[18:38] <mac_v> mat_t:  its a 24 px icon , adding more items would make the icon less useful :(
[18:39] <mac_v> sorry not less useful , less recognizble
[18:39] <psyke83> folks, who's asking about the combobox theming?
[18:39] <psyke83> you need to set up special matches for these cases - look at the bottom of the Human theme for reference
[18:39] <mat_t> mac_v: I meant *just* lock and triangle
[18:40] <mac_v> mat_t: hmm... but then , it wouldnt indicate a wireless connection
[18:40] <mac_v> is that ok?
[18:40] <mat_t> mac_v: well, it *is* a wireless connection, because it's in the menu called "Wireless Networks" ;)
[18:40] <mac_v> ;p
[18:41] <mat_t> and we already have the wireless strength icon
[18:41] <mac_v> yeah ,then
[18:41] <mac_v> mat_t: how about using the gtk-warning icon?
[18:42] <psyke83> SiDi: see "murrine-combobox-text-color-workaround", "murrine-menuitem-text-is-fg-color-workaround" and possibly some other special cases
[18:42] <mat_t> mac_v: what icon is it?
[18:43] <mac_v> mat_t: a red circle , with an exclamation mark
[18:43] <SiDi> psyke83: zniavre ty
[18:43] <SiDi> will look at this
[18:43] <mat_t> mac_v: that will be too shouty
[18:44] <mac_v> mat_t: how about a blue circle with an exclamation mark ?
[18:46] <mac_v> since the signal strength and the encryption state will already be shown to the right of the icon
[18:47] <mac_v> the lock is not needed and just a exclamation mark might be enough
[18:47] <mat_t> how would you know that there's a security issue?
[18:47] <mac_v> hmm...
[18:47] <mat_t> excl mark only tells you "there's an issue"
[18:49] <mac_v> mat_t: how about adding a zorro mask ;p ? with the exclamation mark?
[18:49] <mac_v> prowler alert!
[18:51] <mac_v> mat_t: or something like this > http://www.iconfinder.net/icondetails/15216/128/?q=thief with an exclamation mark
[18:55] <psyke83> kwwii: you've darkened the gradient on the titlebar, that's one of the changes?
[19:01] <kwwii> psyke83: that was an old change which will be reverted when I put your suggested changed in
[19:02] <psyke83> kwwii: ok, so you only want to preserve the changes to the buttons and icons?
[19:02] <psyke83> let me show you the diff that I'm looking at
[19:03] <psyke83> kwwii: http://pastebin.com/m3854683a
[19:04] <psyke83> kwwii, so, the changes marked from line 154 are necessary?
[19:04] <psyke83> I'm pretty sure that all the other changes are to lighten the border, etc
[19:10] <mat_t> mac_v: hmmmmm, no
[19:10] <mat_t> :P
[19:10] <mac_v> mat_t: just realized , ! that icon will be used elsewhere alone too :(
[19:11] <mac_v> so the indication that its a wireless and and a network must also be present..
[19:11] <mac_v> grrr.....! nm applet does the craziest stuff!
[19:19] <mac_v> d6g|away: nice keyboard icon :)
[19:48] <kwwii> psyke83: right, exactly
[19:48] <kwwii> we do not want the little app icons back in the window deco
[19:48] <psyke83> kwwii: I already fixed that, but the prelight for the round icon was missing. I added that back, will send to you in a few mins
[19:50] <mac_v> kwwii: ping me when you are available :)
[19:58] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, I think I need to make an extra icon for that as well
[19:58] <kwwii> mac_v: re
[19:58] <kwwii> I feel like I have been running around all afternoon and evening
[19:58] <kwwii> wait, I have been running around all afternoon and evening :p
[19:58]  * kwwii boots into karmic
[20:00] <mac_v> ;)
[20:01]  * kwwii pops open a well deserved beer
[20:01] <mac_v> kwwii: hey hows your son?
[20:01] <mac_v> how's
[20:02] <kwwii> mac_v: good, hopefully the next pill he takes will put him to sleep :p
[20:02] <mac_v> lol
[20:03] <kwwii> mac_v: so are the icon changes already in karmic?
[20:03] <mac_v> kwwii: no, they are waiting for you :)
[20:04] <kwwii> psyke83: let me know which stuff is the latest...I can't keep track anymore :p
[20:04] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, so where can I get the latest?
[20:04] <psyke83> kwwii: sending to your e-mail in 2 mins :). If there's a better place to send, let me know
[20:04] <kwwii> psyke83: that would be perfect
[20:05] <kwwii> I have to copy everything to my test machine, which often ends up being a good excuse to put it off for a while :p
[20:06] <mac_v> kwwii:  $bzr branch lp:humanity
[20:07] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, it'S downloading updates, this will take a few minutes
[20:07] <kwwii> mac_v: is that the packaged version?
[20:08] <mac_v> no, the lates revs , with better contrast
[20:08] <psyke83> kwwii: sent, it's the final reply with the metacity and gtkrc together ;)
[20:08] <kwwii> ok, cool
[20:08] <kwwii> psyke83: excellent, thanks (and sorry for having to be my secretary)
[20:09] <psyke83> kwwii: I increased the gloss effect *slightly*. I know you're not a big fan, but it's kinda subtle, and it does use the glowstyle 4 which you like to diffuse the centre part
[20:10] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, I'll test it out and get back to you asap
[20:10] <psyke83> also, it's an advantage to have higher gloss with the coloured widgets (progressbars, scrollbars), because of the darker brown
[20:10] <kwwii> have to install bzr, etc. to check the icons out :(
[20:12] <kwwii> psyke83: got it
[20:18] <kwwii> psyke83: the metacity now has a larger brown outline, is that on purpose?
[20:19] <kwwii> there seems to be a line in the middle of the outside border as well...a difference in the browns
[20:19] <psyke83> kwwii: yes, I wanted your feedback on the gradient (it's easier to see with a large outline). If you like the gradient, you can reduce the outline size
[20:19] <psyke83> kwwii: yep, that is deliberate
[20:19] <kwwii> I like the gradient in the top, not so much on the sides
[20:19] <kwwii> on my small monitor it is very prominent
[20:20] <psyke83> kwwii: there's two gradients there, would you prefer just one?
[20:20] <psyke83> the first gradient is the first third of the sides, the second is the remaining two thirds
[20:20] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, the whole outside border would be better with just one gradient
[20:21] <kwwii> although I am not sure if we should make such a large change after beta
[20:21] <kwwii> psyke83: one decision that came down the line to me was that we should not use a colored scrollbar
[20:22] <psyke83> ok, so will we bring back the original grey scrollbar and set the trough to 0?
[20:22] <kwwii> also, I have been playing with making the bg color something around e5d8cb
[20:23] <kwwii> well, that might be too dark but something around there
[20:23] <psyke83> I like that bg color on my laptop, but let me check the desktop
[20:23] <psyke83> (much different colour reproduction between the two :P)
[20:24] <psyke83> yes, I like that
[20:24] <psyke83> I would have gone for something similar, but figured that such a shift wouldn't be approved
[20:26] <psyke83> kwwii: re: the scrollbar, it's possible to keep it in the current style, but shade it to something else, such as 80% of the @bg_color, for example
[20:27] <psyke83> the biggest problem with the murrine engine, imho, is that the standard uncoloured scrollbar is not distinct from its background, and the background can't be themed
[20:27] <kwwii> psyke83: right, that was the idea...to make it a darker version of bg[NORMAL]
[20:27] <kwwii> psyke83: right, just making it grey makes it unnoticeable
[20:28] <psyke83> kwwii: do you want to hammer out these changes, or will I do it and send back to you?
[20:28] <kwwii> psyke83: I can work on it for a while, see where I get
[20:28] <kwwii> I'll send you anything that I get done
[20:28] <psyke83> excellent, thanks
[20:29] <psyke83> you're using the newest stuff as your base though, right?
[20:29] <kwwii> glad to help you help me :D
[20:29] <kwwii> yes
[20:29] <psyke83> actually, do you want me to fix up the metacity? I know exactly what part to change for the gradient
[20:31] <kwwii> psyke83: sure, feel free...I'll stick to gtk for now
[20:31] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, I got the icons
[20:31] <kwwii> mac_v: how are you installing this? just copying over the old ones?
[20:32] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah
[20:33] <kwwii> ouch, not my favorite way, but ok
[20:33] <mac_v> kwwii: also > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Humanity-Dark.tar.gz
[20:33] <mac_v> extract that folder for testing the Dark theme with Dust
[20:34] <mac_v> that to folder*
[20:34] <SiDi`Laptop> kwwii, any idea how to remove / theme the shadow color of the header text in the update-manager ? :D
[20:34] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, so the ones in bzr are the normal ones for the desktop, right?
[20:34] <mac_v> yup , bzr = Ubuntu
[20:34] <kwwii> SiDi`Laptop: I have no idea which header text you mean
[20:35] <SiDi`Laptop> "software updates available..."
[20:35] <psyke83> kwwii: I have another idea re: the metacity. I'll show you a screenshot in a sec
[20:35] <SiDi`Laptop> http://emonk.fi/temp/updatemanager_gtk.png
[20:35] <kwwii> SiDi`Laptop: ohhh, wow...that cannot be right
[20:36] <kwwii> SiDi`Laptop: my guess is that something like that is a hard-coded hack
[20:36] <SiDi`Laptop> kwwii, thats my guess too /D
[20:36] <kwwii> mac_v: how are you updating the icon cache and such when you copy icons in?
[20:37] <mac_v> hm , never did that :(
[20:37] <kwwii> ok, gotta restart my desktop...brb
[20:37] <mac_v> but without that also works fine here
[20:39] <SiDi`Laptop> kwwii, thanks ! i found it
[20:40] <SiDi`Laptop> its an unexpectable side effect of some hardcoded value for xfwm's borders x_x
[20:40] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, something in karmic just killed the volume and network applets
[20:40] <SiDi`Laptop> apparently the shadow of insensitive text is taken from metacity-frame's insensitive color :p
[20:40] <kwwii> SiDi`Laptop: freaky
[20:40] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah , the volume and nm are crazy :/
[20:40] <kwwii> me restarts the whole machine, brb
[20:41] <SiDi`Laptop> kwwii, its probably because they put that text in the gtk window itself directly
[20:41] <mac_v> SiDi`Laptop: you are talking to his bot ;p
[20:41] <mac_v> he is rebooting
[20:42] <SiDi`Laptop> i like talking to bots
[20:42] <SiDi`Laptop> they're so rarely mean
[20:42] <SiDi`Laptop> :D
[20:46] <psyke83> folks, opinions on which is better please: two gradients to choose from: gradient 1 (top dark to light bottom): http://img527.imageshack.us/i/gradient1.png/ - OR - gradient 2 (top dark to light centre, light centre to dark bottom): http://img121.yfrog.com/img121/6965/gradient2.png
[20:48] <mac_v> psyke83: hmm, why the thick border?
[20:48] <mac_v> too think on the sides, IMO
[20:48] <psyke83> mac_v, the border will be reduced, it's thick to help choose the better gradient
[20:48] <mac_v> thick*
[20:48] <mac_v> oh ok :)
[20:49] <SiDi`Laptop> Wheres the gradient to look at ?
[20:49] <kwwii> mac_v: much better
[20:49] <SiDi`Laptop> oh, metacity
[20:49] <psyke83> SiDi`Laptop, the metacity window decoration, the vertical strip on the left and right sides
[20:49] <SiDi`Laptop> psyke83, i prefer the 1st, i think
[20:50] <SiDi`Laptop> but its because the bottom of the second is quite dark
[20:50] <kwwii> psyke83: I like gradient2.png better
[20:50] <SiDi`Laptop> maybe make the bottom of the second slightly lighter ?
[20:50] <mac_v> psyke83: maybe a crazy idea , how about reversing gradient of 1  , ie: top light and botom dark ;)
[20:50] <psyke83> SiDi`Laptop: we can lighten the bottom
[20:50] <kwwii> psyke83: but I agree that the border is a bit too thick
[20:50] <psyke83> kwwii: definitely will reduce the border, but it helps us see things better for now
[20:50] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, and true
[20:51] <mac_v> psyke83: not the same shade a the present lower edge but a bit darker
[20:51] <mac_v>  shade of the*
[20:51] <psyke83> mac_v: it's not really possible to do it light to dark from the top, because it won't match the titlebar
[20:52] <psyke83> it needs to start the same colour as the titlebar on top
[20:52] <mac_v> psyke83: oh , i meant lightening th title bar too
[20:52] <mac_v> the*
[20:52] <psyke83> mac_v: any lighter and it'll be identical to Human in Jaunty
[20:53] <mac_v> ;)
[20:53] <psyke83> AFAIK we want it much darker for Karmic
[20:53] <mac_v> oh , ok
[20:53] <psyke83> right Ken?
[20:53] <ia>  hello. could you tell me, please, where (in system) i can find grub boot picture (which can be seen after boot menu, but before gdm appears) - white lightning ubuntu logo on black background.
[20:54] <knome> ia, that's either usplash or xsplash
[20:54] <mac_v> ia: /usr/share/images/xsplash
[20:55] <psyke83> kwwii: so we'll use gradient 2, but do you want the gradient darker or lighter in any place?
[20:55] <kwwii> mac_v: looks good to me
[20:55] <kwwii> seems to be enough contrast
[20:56] <kwwii> both light and dark
[20:56] <kwwii> well done :)
[20:56] <mac_v> kwwii: thanks :)
[20:56] <mac_v> my whole weekend was spent on this :(
[20:56] <kwwii> hehe
[20:56] <kwwii> but is was *fun*
[20:56] <kwwii> :p
[20:56] <mac_v> figuring out where to use the color and where not
[20:56] <mac_v> ;p
[20:57] <mac_v> kwwii: so now we need to push this.. so how do we set it up? a separate branch in lp
[20:58] <mac_v> for the dark icons
[20:58] <kwwii> mac_v: a different project
[20:58] <kwwii> or sub-project if that is possible
[20:58] <mac_v> sub
[20:58] <mac_v> woulb be better i think
[20:58] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ^
[20:59] <DanRabbit> Okay, how do you do that?
[20:59] <DanRabbit> new project?
[20:59] <kwwii> I don't think it is possible to make a sub
[21:00] <kwwii> so it would have to be a new project
[21:00] <kwwii> you could do it in a branch, but that would get nasty
[21:00] <kwwii> and since you cannot merge them anyway
[21:00] <mac_v> i think is we just have these panel icons in the separate theme , it would save space
[21:00] <kwwii> just make a new project
[21:00] <mac_v> s/is/if
[21:00] <kwwii> sure, just put those in
[21:00] <mac_v> ah!
[21:00] <kwwii> if they were all packaged there would be a dependency on the other theme package
[21:01] <mac_v> DanRabbit: like how you did the Humanity-UNR
[21:01] <mac_v> danielgc: just label it Humanity-Dark
[21:01] <kwwii> right
[21:01] <psyke83> kwwii and folks, how's this? Gradient 2 with smaller borders: http://yfrog.com/3zgradient2smallborderp
[21:01] <DanRabbit> kwwii: i'm just worried that it's going to be hard to maintain both sets
[21:02] <mac_v> DanRabbit: once done , i'll add these icons and the icon at my end and remove the ones not needed
[21:02] <DanRabbit> okay
[21:02] <kwwii> DanRabbit: yes, that is the biggest problem
[21:02] <kwwii> if it was just the dark versions, you could simply include a script to copy them over the ones from the "real" theme
[21:02] <kwwii> but really, you want to keep all of this packaged in bzr, if you ask me
[21:07] <DanRabbit> okay mac_v, kwwii: icons are now located in lp:humanitydark
[21:08] <DanRabbit> or they will in a second ;)
[21:08] <DanRabbit> slow internet.
[21:08] <kwwii> cool
[21:08] <mac_v> DanRabbit: so thats now just a duplicate of the present humanity right?
[21:08] <DanRabbit> right
[21:08] <kwwii> mac_v: can you take of getting this included in the distro or would you like me to do it?
[21:09] <mac_v> kwwii: i'm not sure how to do it
[21:09] <kwwii> ie asking the right people the right questions :)
[21:09] <mac_v> kwwii: lool and other will say ,what did kwwiii say , s i the end you'd be needed either way ;)
[21:09] <mac_v> others*
[21:09] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, it is late now, most are probably gone...tomorrow morning we'll ask in seb and pitti and lool in ubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <kwwii> lol, probably
[21:09] <mac_v> kwwii: seb has come
[21:12] <mac_v> DanRabbit: would it be better having a hyphen? humanity-dark?
[21:13] <kwwii> mac_v: not sure if they will respond tonight, but you saw #ubuntu-desktop, they should be aware
[21:13] <kwwii> and will probably need a reminder :p
[21:13] <DanRabbit> yea, I'll add it in after the first push
[21:13] <mac_v> kwwii: thats enough ;)
[21:15] <kwwii> whatever changes you make, make them before they are included in the distro
[21:15] <kwwii> we can only ask for uploads once or twice
[21:18] <psyke83> kwwii: update sent for you to play with (smaller borders, gradient 2) :P
[21:20] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, thanks
[21:20] <psyke83> no problem
[21:20] <kwwii> getting these colors right is *really* hard
[21:20] <kwwii> I hate orange and brown
[21:20] <psyke83> kwwii: imho, e5d8cb is close... I like it
[21:21] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, it is close, but not perfect
[21:21] <kwwii> getting it perfect is really hard
[21:27] <psyke83> kwwii: spending too much time makes you "colourblind", too :P. You'll find a colour that looks great, then take a break from the PC and return to a horrible colour on the screen
[21:27] <kwwii> no doubt
[21:27] <kwwii> at suse I did green for 7 years...I hated it
[21:27] <kwwii> and now I hate orange
[21:28] <kwwii> I am slowly running out of colors :p
[21:28] <psyke83> you'll soon grow to despise brown :)
[21:29] <psyke83> well you have two primary colours left - red (red hat) and blue (fedora). Do you want to work for the community or a company in your next job? :P
[21:35] <SiDi`Laptop> kwwii, join xubuntu and do some blue
[21:35] <kwwii> :p
[21:36] <kwwii> redhat offered me a job about a year ago
[21:40] <kwwii> SiDi`Laptop: kubuntu keeps saying the same thing :)
[21:40] <SiDi`Laptop> our blue palette is sweeter !
[21:40] <kwwii> :)
[21:45] <SiDi`Laptop> knome is torturing me
[21:45] <SiDi`Laptop> i have a math course at 8AM tomorrow, a very very important one
[21:45] <SiDi`Laptop> and he's making me change colors in our gtkrc
[21:45] <SiDi`Laptop> exactly the opposite of what he made me do before :(
[21:46] <knome> NOT!
[21:51] <kwwii> if you don't go back and forth at least 3 times the colors won't look as good
[21:51] <kwwii> that is a well known fact
[21:51] <knome> kwwii is SO right! :)
[21:56] <kwwii> andreasn: hey, being the icon master you are...check out the latest humanity icon set on lp (bzr branch lp:humanity) with the new, improved darker panel notification icons. Enough contrast on a light-colored panel?
[21:59] <andreasn> kwwii, sure, I'll check it out first thing tomorrow
[22:01] <kwwii> andreasn: cool, thnx
[22:10] <andreasn> kwwii, I've only tried it out on karmic trunk(?) so far, but it looks nice in general
[22:10] <andreasn> we also need to figure out these notification icons, got a mail from mpt about a idea he had
[22:11] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25928/screenshot_zStyQa.png
[22:11] <dashua> Humanity-Dark <3
[22:12] <andreasn> kwwii, about the use of *-symbolic
[22:12] <andreasn> kwwii, should I forward the e-mail?
[22:12] <DanRabbit> dashua: that's hot
[22:13] <mac_v> dashua: glad you like it :)   thanks to kwwii ,we are able to use it...
[22:14] <mac_v> David *almost* sent the mail to have those icons removed :(
[22:14] <dashua> DanRabbit, Thx :)
[22:14] <dashua> AndrewSB on this channel?
[22:14] <SiDi`Laptop> DanRabbit, elementaryXubuntu is a name you're ok with, for our icon theme in xub ?
[22:14] <DanRabbit> sounds good
[22:15] <kwwii> andreasn: yes, please do
[22:15] <kwwii> it got lost amongst all my other stuff
[22:15] <kwwii> andreasn: thanks for reminding me
[22:15] <dashua> Monochrome bluetooth icon is hot
[22:15] <andreasn> kwwii, kwwii at canonical dot com?
[22:15] <DanRabbit> SiDi`Laptop:SiDi`Laptop: sorry I haven't gotten to your list yet :/
[22:15] <SiDi`Laptop> DanRabbit, its ok ;)
[22:16] <SiDi`Laptop> there's no emergency for now
[22:16] <SiDi`Laptop> and if there is i will torture knome so he goes through that list :p
[22:16] <DanRabbit> haha
[22:16] <knome> ;Ð
[22:16] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, or ubuntu dot com
[22:18] <mrmcq2u_> hmmm.... the stones wallpaper seems to flow better when the brown xsplash like gdm background is used. Less contast than the brown to orange
[22:19] <kwwii> true
[22:19] <andreasn> sent!
[22:20] <mac_v> mrmcq2u_: but i find the present default wallpaper giving out a very cheerful vibe :)
[22:20] <mac_v> lets change the gdm ;p
[22:20] <mac_v> mat will kill me
[22:23] <mrmcq2u_> Well the gdm uses the orange atm but I like the one with the xsplash minus ubuntu logo+throbber bg with the new gdm gtk theme.
[22:23] <mrmcq2u_> and with the stones bg it transitions really really smoothly
[22:24] <DanRabbit> the orange GDM is really ugly :(
[22:24] <kwwii> ture
[22:24] <kwwii> lol
[22:24] <kwwii> true
[22:24] <kwwii> and lol
[22:24] <DanRabbit> The black/brown one is very sexy :)
[22:24] <kwwii> time for sleep
[22:24] <DanRabbit> night kwwii
[22:24] <psyke83> kwwii: maybe I'm crazy, but the brown scrollbar seems a lot more comfortable to me with the combination of the new background colour and the new metacity. Maybe they will decide to keep it if they see the latest version of the themes?
[22:24] <kwwii> no more major changes after beta, ok?
[22:24] <kwwii> psyke83: I doubt it
[22:24] <psyke83> kwwii: ok :)
[22:24] <kwwii> they really want it to be darker grey
[22:25] <psyke83> kwwii: that's fine, so that's your job :)
[22:25] <psyke83> nite nite
[22:25] <kwwii> :)
[22:25] <kwwii> see you soon
[22:25] <psyke83> if you need help, throw me an e-mail anytime
[22:25] <mrmcq2u_> night
[22:25] <kwwii> willdo
[22:25] <kwwii> will do
[22:25] <DanRabbit> psyke83, where can I get the latest rev for the new GTK theme?
[22:26] <psyke83> DanRabbit: from my thread on the Ubuntu forums. Ken's going to finish the rest, but this is what we have so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8021558&postcount=114
[22:26] <DanRabbit> awesome, thanks ;)
[22:27] <psyke83> np ;)
[22:28] <mac_v> DanRabbit: sue psyke83 for copyright infringement ;p
[22:28] <DanRabbit> HAHA, I think he was actually first?
[22:28] <psyke83> first with what?
[22:29] <DanRabbit> Also, isn't it like fate that the new GTK and icons are both called Humanity?
[22:29] <psyke83> ah right, haha
[22:29] <psyke83> I wasn't aware of the Humanity icons when I named the gtk theme, sorry ;)
[22:29] <mac_v> psyke83: so then ...sue DanRabbit  for copyright infringement
[22:29] <mac_v> ;p
[22:29] <DanRabbit> ;)
[22:29] <psyke83> it was just a temporary name to signify it was unofficial, but Ken ended up using the theme as official
[22:30] <mac_v> oh.! so human -> humanity?
[22:30] <psyke83> I'll confer with my lawyers first, I need to know your assets and debts first :P
[22:30] <DanRabbit> hmm
[22:30] <DanRabbit> it's a little pink ;)
[22:31] <psyke83> mac_v: well, look at the first post of the thread - the theme with the orange scrollbars etc was in karmic officially. Only in the past few days did Ken tell me that the Canonical folks wanted dark brown, so I adjusted the theme, and he took that
[22:31] <mac_v> psyke83: DanRabbit just sold one kidney... you can still have the other one ;)
[22:31] <DanRabbit> lol
[22:31] <DanRabbit> what?
[22:32] <psyke83> DanRabbit: Ken's picking the background colour, that's just his current favourite at the moment
[22:33] <DanRabbit> I see