[00:20] /c/c [02:49] pitti: Test/demo plan added for gnome-speech replacement. Please let me know if this needs to be fleshed out more. [04:47] mac_v: someone fixed my bluetooth icon for me on the forums, they made it into a gray bluetooth symbol with no circle or anything around it [04:47] just the symbol [05:16] hi, could someone help me understand /dev better? I was wondering how u know which is what drive [05:18] I see sda and sda1 and so forth and im not sure which is my 160GB SATA drive [05:28] Amaranth: do you have the link...? i change the icons to the monochrome one ,but the menu is picking it up [05:28] mac_v: oh, he just modified my screenshot [05:29] ;p [05:29] mac_v: yeah, the bluetooth applet uses the same icons everything [05:29] err, everywhere [05:29] but I think this icon will still work in the menu too if it is done like the screenshot [05:29] yeah , so i just made a *black*tooth icon ;) [05:29] It's just the bluetooth symbol but gray [05:29] right, like that [05:29] no background, etc, just the symbol [05:33] damn i had a monochrome icon but its not usable ... we are using gnome-bluetooth , right? [05:33] right [05:34] mac_v: I think the hicolor pack I sent you contained my lame version on the icon [05:34] I just loaded all the sizes up in gimp and desaturated :P [05:34] right now , that is what is possible ;) ... i desaturated the icon [05:35] could it be patched? ;) bluetooth is the only *system* app which is for now causing a problem :/ [05:36] mac_v: you could probably patch gnome-bluetooth to use a different icon, sure [05:36] mac_v: iirc with the way the icon naming rules work if you named it gnome-bluetooth-panel it would fall back to gnome-bluetooth automatically in themes that didn't provide the new icon [05:37] an better label would be "bluetooth-active" and using the icon from the status folder, [05:38] *shrug* [05:39] ;p [06:04] Amaranth: who is the manitainer of gnome-bluetooth? [06:05] mac_v: ebassi, iirc [06:05] hi, is anyone running a SSD on their system? [06:07] thanks [06:18] does anyone know if sreadahead has been fixed yet? [06:21] mac_v: Does the battery icon gain color when it drops to a critical level? [06:21] * Amaranth checks icons [06:21] it is supposed to [06:21] Amaranth: does it not change? [06:22] I don't know, I was just being lazy and asked instead of looking :P [06:22] ;p [06:22] only for the 20% it is red [06:23] I see [07:15] Good morning [07:15] Good morning pitti [07:15] mac_v: hi [07:15] morning [07:16] TheMuso: test/demo plan> thank you! [07:16] hey al-maisan [07:16] pitti: : morning [07:16] * pitti proudly wears the blue Taekwondo belt now \o/ [07:16] pitti: oh wow, congratulations :) [07:17] * mac_v will now be a bit careful with pitti ;) [07:21] pitti: how was the grading? [07:22] al-maisan: thanks! [07:23] rugby471: most of it went pretty well, I practiced a lot before; I just was a bit scared about the board breaking test, since I never did that before [07:23] but it went through at first try [07:23] pitti: hehe congrats [07:23] so, 7 student grades done, 3 to go :) [07:24] * Amaranth remembers to not make pitti mad [07:25] lol [07:25] it will be easier for pitti to make his opinion "stronger" at next sprint :) [07:25] He'll start swearing in german at me and the next thing I know I'll be looking up at the sky :P [07:26] * pitti still rubs his sore legs and neck [07:27] 7 hours training isn't exactly what I'm used to :) [07:27] hum, I imagine :/ [07:29] * Amaranth wants to know how much of mvo's mail over the weekend was from me doing triage :) [07:30] Amaranth: and how many survive spamming process too ;) [07:31] compiz bug count broke the 400 and 350 levels in the same day [07:31] then I went and moved all still relevant bugs from the other compiz-related packages to compiz so they're easier to keep track over so it went back up to 367 or so [07:32] should get back down below 350 by release though [08:02] mvo: sorry about the mail spam :P [08:05] hey Amaranth - the compiz mailing list spam mails? [08:06] mvo: no, the large number of mails from launchpad for bug changes :P [08:07] Amaranth: oh, heh :) I have no dared to open my bugmail folder this morning yet ;) [08:07] did you do another huge triage round on the weekend? [08:09] mvo: Yeah, passed 400 and 350 the same day [08:09] woah! [08:09] * mvo hugs Amaranth [08:10] back up above 350 though because I also went through all the plugin pack and such bugs and moved still relevant ones to compiz [08:10] people were filing bugs about scale to compiz-fusion-bcop :/ [08:11] hi mvo , the search icon not being displayed > Bug #437431 , check out comment 5 [08:11] Launchpad bug 437431 in software-store "find/clear icons in searchentry do not display with Humanity icon theme " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437431 [08:12] mac_v: thanks, I check it out === vuntz_ is now known as vuntz [08:32] bonjour vuntz [08:43] hi [08:44] hmm. seems we need to demote ephy-extensions or promote ephy-webkit [08:46] good morning there [08:46] hey seb128 [08:46] hey pitti! [08:46] how are you? [08:47] did you have a good weekend? [08:47] seb128: indeed I had; Taekwondo camp on Saturday, and belt examinations; I have the blue belt now :) [08:47] waouh [08:48] congrats ;-) [08:48] merci [08:51] hi seb128 [08:51] 09:44 < asac> hmm. seems we need to demote ephy-extensions or promote ephy-webkit [08:51] what do you think? [08:51] demote [08:51] and "why"? [08:51] I've epiphany-webkit installed without those [08:52] seb128: ephy-etensions is dep wait [08:53] hey seb128, asac [08:53] lut didrocks [08:53] hi didrocks [08:53] asac, on what? [08:53] seb128: on epiphany-webkit-dev [08:54] seb128: e.g. extensions is in main [08:54] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-extensions/2.27.92-0ubuntu1 [08:54] ok, makes sense, I don't care either way [08:54] demote epiphany-webkit that will make easier to work on it [08:54] need a bug or can just demote? [08:54] and -e-e [08:55] ask pitti [08:55] I'm not going to touch anything during the freeze [08:55] ephy-webkit is universe ... just -extensions is main [08:55] k [08:55] I don't want to break DVD builds [08:55] pitti: ^^ [08:55] not sure if that might have any impact [08:57] hmm something removed my emacs :/ [08:57] did you see that debian did the transition too now? [08:57] but they did it differently [08:57] brb, getting coffee [09:00] good morning everybody [09:00] sure. they did the reshuffeling [09:01] makes mroe sense, but doing that downstream would have been even more risky [09:01] good morning chrisccoulson [09:02] hey didrocks, how are you? [09:02] chrisccoulson: fine, thanks, but a too short week-end ;) and you? [09:03] hey chrisccoulson [09:03] yeah, i'm good thanks. i agree, the weekend was too short ;) [09:03] hey pitti! [09:04] hey chrisccoulson [09:04] hey seb128 [09:06] did you have a good weekend? [09:08] yes, too short [09:09] and I've noticed I had 336 bug emails since saturday [09:09] shrug [09:09] heh, yeah, i know that feeling (about the weekend being too short) ;) [09:09] I will spend another monday morning reading those [09:10] yeah, that doesn't sound fun! [09:10] i don't get quite that many ;) [09:14] kwwii: what's the current state of gdm artwork? [09:14] seb128: good morning - do you have any idea about #437354 - might this be a side effect of the special handling in gnome-menus [09:15] hey mvo [09:15] looking === asac_ is now known as asac [09:16] mvo, did he upgrade gnome-menus too? [09:16] if he did maybe the menu update didn't get triggered, would be worth trying a session restart [09:17] bug 437354 [09:17] Launchpad bug 437354 in software-center "Installation does not remove software-store menu item" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437354 [09:17] hmm [09:17] whats the idea? [09:17] seb128: I will ask, I was just puzzled because in the screenshot both store and center are displayed in the top level [09:17] yesterday i couldnt find the software-store ... then found it in system [09:17] thats not the right place? [09:18] seb128: and that should only happen when the menu has a include-line for software-center, no? [09:18] mvo, he could have user edited the menu and have a .local copy with software-store [09:18] asac: the idea is that the name store vanishes entirely [09:18] asac, there is no software-store, it has been renamed [09:18] back to -center? [09:19] seb128: oh, that makes sense, I will ask - that is stored in .local/share/applications ? [09:19] back? [09:19] it was app-center -> software-store -> software-center [09:19] i thought it was called -center at some point [09:19] so lets see what it will become next ;) [09:19] right ;) [09:19] mvo, rather .config/menus [09:19] i am happy its not store [09:19] dholbach had this idea of "brown carpet" [09:19] now we have to get rid of departments ;) [09:20] ++ [09:20] so for me its also still called software store in menu [09:20] currently upgrading, but there is no upgrade for software-store [09:21] sorry. scratch that [09:21] asac, it has been renamed, do you have a software-center? [09:21] all fine [09:21] hm, -meta upload missing? [09:21] i am getting the update now [09:22] <\sh> hmmm...why is empathy just gone from the indicator applet since last week after some updates in karmic? [09:23] <\sh> hmm...totally gone from the system it seems [09:25] hm, works here [09:26] here too [09:26] <\sh> it's just disappeared last week I wonder why... [09:26] <\sh> checking dpkg log or whatever give me this info [09:27] hate hate firefox [09:27] greasemonkey doesn't work again [09:28] and the restart button doesn't restart it [09:28] seb128: want my modified scripts for chromium? :) [09:28] and it fails to uninstall the installed greasemonkey [09:29] asac, could you help? I've some 360 emails from the weekend to triage and I can't do that without greasemonkey or it will take the day [09:30] pitti: the artwork is done [09:30] pitti: I am workong on some bug fixes and tweaks for the human theme, that's about it [09:31] pitti: and I should be done with later today after my sons surgery [09:31] I'd like to integrate it RSN, it gets really late for beta; IIRC David/Cody were working on them? [09:31] kwwii: son> uh, good luck! *crossing fingers* [09:32] pitti: dbarth said he was working on it...he should know more [09:32] pitti: thanks :) [09:38] asac, don't bother I solved it now [09:39] seb128 - would you mind taking a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/gnome-python-extras/with-gda-module before I push it to ubuntu-desktop (if you get the chance)? [09:39] seb128: the epiphany-extensions works [09:39] its just not built;) [09:39] (i need to rebase it again on the latest version, as I see there was an upload just now) [09:39] will do but not this morning it's not even 11am and I feel under pressure already [09:39] zillion emails, bugs, pings, etc [09:40] seb128 - thanks, now worries:) [09:40] s/now/no [09:40] thanks for the work on it ;-) [09:43] pitti: guten tag [09:43] hey vuntz [09:44] it has been a while, how are you? [10:02] has anyone noticed that their screensaver never activates when idle now? [10:02] (or is that just me?) [10:03] I don't use screensaver on idle there [10:03] so I didn't notice [10:03] I often idle on TV but let IRC on screen to see pings etc [10:04] hmmm, i'll have to look at it a bit more when i get home [10:06] seb128: yeah, was away in the wild [10:06] wild france? [10:14] pitti, I've uploaded a new xdg-user-dirs with the Download to Downloads rename from upstream + updated translations from it which we didn't have with the distro change [10:18] mpt, I never got a reply if you knew someone who could hack up the -symbolic thing [10:18] andreasn, sorry, I didn't see you ask that [10:18] andreasn, I don't know. [10:18] I think I wrote it in a e-mail as a response to your e-mail [10:19] or, hm, did you get that? I recall having some smtp-issues while I tried to send that [10:19] * seb128 hates apport-collect [10:19] glatzor: hey! I want to attack bug #422585 now - unless you are currently looking into it? [10:19] Launchpad bug 422585 in aptdaemon "aptd crashed with LookupError in remove_from_connection()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422585 [10:19] or maybe launchpad [10:19] but having 26 bug emails and new comments on a bug by apport-collect run is ridiculous [10:25] seb128 - yeah, it's pretty bad when that happens. it should just roll them all in to one mail [10:25] glatzor: I will put the fixes into my mvo branch for now [10:27] seb128: any gstreamer related problems already? :) [10:30] hey slomo, no, no bug report following the change apparently ;-) [10:31] seb128: interesting :) [10:31] seb128: maybe nobody tests the beta? :P [10:33] slomo, oh, people will test beta this week for sure ;-) [10:34] seb128: ok, thanks anyway :) good to hear that i didn't introduce too obvious regressions :) did you see that patches in the bugreport? they're not really important, only take them if you're bored (or if one of the issues happens... very unlikely) [10:35] slomo, that will probably wait for after beta now [10:37] seb128: ok :) [11:10] andreasn, just found your message [11:43] seb128: would it make sense to do a SRU for bug 262723 at some point? where the changes packaging related? or was it related to upstream fixes [11:43] Launchpad bug 262723 in human-icon-theme "Gnome and Human icon themes do not contain icon caches" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262723 [11:44] asac, I think the change is that we have a trigger to update icon caches now [11:44] not sure [11:44] but that's a change in packaging tools iirc [11:44] not trivial for a backport [11:45] ok [12:29] pitti, I've been trying to debug the indicator session crash with ted until 3am some days ago [12:29] it's an assert on dbus init [12:29] ted said he doesn't get how it can break there [12:29] and apport refuses to report the bug [12:29] uh [12:29] assertion without message [12:30] bug 436181 has all of it, thoug [12:30] Launchpad bug 436181 in indicator-applet "Indicator-applet-session crashed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436181 [12:30] pitti, "it" being? [12:30] the crash is on " if (!org_freedesktop_DBus_request_name(bus_proxy, INDICATOR_USERS_DBUS_NAME, 0, &nameret, &error)) {" IIRC [12:30] stack trace, etc. [12:30] or rather that's the call failing [12:31] wrt. the "apport doesn't report" part [12:31] seb128: hello. did my stacktrace help somehow ? I do not know if it is releated to this bug because before apport failed to get a stacktrace. I wondered why suddenly there was a stacktrace. [12:31] pitti, it's not an apport crash bug [12:31] seb128: I know, but we have all the info that apport would collect there [12:31] pitti, right [12:31] seb128: is it started late enough for the session d-bus to run already? [12:31] mvo, hi :-) [12:32] c_korn, out of the fact that you spammed me with 26 emails from the apport-collect which is really annoying, let me look [12:32] mvo, have you requested that all the software-store bug reports be moved over? [12:33] pitti, not sure, but ted said that should not be an issue [12:33] davidbarth: bonjour! can you please give me a heads-up about the gdm artwork status? [12:33] seb128: yes, sorry about that. I thought multiple changes are collected in one mail. but it is not so with attachments. will upload a tarball next time. sorry :/ [12:33] pitti, [12:33] " if (proxy == NULL) { [12:33] /* If we don't have DBus, let's stay in the idle loop */ [12:33] return TRUE; [12:33] } [12:33] if (!org_freedesktop_DBus_start_service_by_name (proxy, INDICATOR_SESSION_DBUS_NAME, 0, &returnval, &error)) { [12:34] g_error("Unable to send message to DBus to start service: %s", error != NULL ? error->message : "(NULL error)" );" [12:34] [12:34] pitti, that's the code [12:34] pitti, it has thise "if we don't have dbus stay in idle" [12:34] and its this gerror [12:35] curious, why does software need to call this in the first place? isn't this already done automatically with a .service file? [12:35] I don't know enough about dbus to reply to that [12:36] ok [12:36] let's wait for ted and discuss with him [12:37] pitti, btw can you accept my gtk+ and xdg-user-dirs uploads? [12:37] the latter already done [12:37] will do gtk+ in a minute [12:38] thanks [12:39] pitti, about the indicator-session one it's annoying for beta since it freezes gnome-panel for a while during the apport run and you can't use anything during this time [12:39] you also get the "applet crashed, do you want to reload" [12:39] right [12:39] if we can fix it for beta, would be great [12:40] but it's not a blocker, so I milestoned it for final for now [12:40] mpt: not yet, I asked only for rename [12:41] pitti, ok, thanks [12:41] glatzor: I pushed a lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/allow-unauthenticated banch - could you please have a look and merge to trunk if you like it? [12:49] seb128: some themes seem to have icon caches in hardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276601/ [12:50] asac, indeed but "gnome" is not a theme, it's a dir where whatever application can install icons [12:50] asac, ie you can't rely on the icon cache to be uptodate without updating all the packages installing icons there [12:50] asac, ie you can't rely on the icon cache to be uptodate without updating all the packages installing icons there [12:51] ie, if gnome-icon-theme was updating the cache any software installing an icon there after that would be broken if it doesn't update the cache [12:51] true [12:51] that's not the case for self contained themes [12:51] thx for clarifying [12:51] yeah [12:51] human-icon-theme could probably be fixed though [12:53] mvo, ok, I'll "ask" another "question" for it [12:58] mvo, hello. sorry I am currently moving. [12:58] mvo, so I cannot review and merge it this week [12:58] mvo, I am now shutting down my old internet connection [12:58] glatzor: ok, no problem - do you mind if I put it in for beta as distro patches? [12:58] glatzor: *wehh* bye glatzor! [12:59] mvo, this is absoulte ok [12:59] cool, thanks [12:59] mvo, could you also merge the recent uploads into the ubuntu-karmic branch? [12:59] mvo, this way I could help on the packaging better [12:59] mvo, so see you in some days! [13:00] urg [13:00] james_w, did you grant the ffe on bug #437059 or just synced in middle of the discussion? [13:00] Launchpad bug 437059 in gnome-colors "Sync gnome-colors 5.5-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main). " [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437059 [13:01] glatzor: sure [13:01] glatzor: see you [13:01] urgh, sorry, mis-synced that [13:01] james_w, that's ok, keep it, it looks ok [13:01] james_w, I just acked the request [13:01] thanks [13:01] james_w, I opened the bug to do that when I noticed it was closed ;-) [13:02] glatzor: hm, the branch (ubuntu-karmic) should be in sync [13:05] chrisccoulson, the g-p-e change, debian only added a python-gda binary, any need to split this one in ubuntu? [13:06] chrisccoulson, otherwise looks ok from a quick glance [13:09] seb128 - did debian do this change already? [13:09] chrisccoulson, this weekend apparently [13:09] ah, i must have missed that one then [13:10] i can merge the changes from debian instead [13:10] i thought debian would have done the split, seeing as they're trying to get rid of the python-gnome2-extras binary anyway [13:10] and pygda has its own pkg-config file, which makes it easy to split [13:12] chrisccoulson, they did split it but only with python-gda, anyway copying what they did would be nice, thanks === ember_ is now known as ember [14:01] mvo: Got my mail on software-center? [14:06] lool: yes, sorry that I have no acted on it yet [14:06] mvo: Oh no it's fine [14:06] mvo: Just checking it didn't get lost [14:20] hey rickspencer3 [14:24] hey rickspencer3, good morning [14:29] hey tedg [14:31] Good morning seb128! [14:31] hi guys [14:31] using empathy on my netbook, it's acting just a tad wonky [14:32] rickspencer3, tedg: did you guys have a good weekend? [14:32] hey rickspencer3 [14:32] hey rickspencer3, morning tedg [14:32] kenvandine: Do you know why Empathy puts that black line in the notification area? [14:32] ? [14:32] hi didrocks, hi kenvandine, tedg [14:32] seb128: Yes, mostly got silly stuff done, but it's done! :) [14:32] kenvandine: it imported my pidgin accounts, was a bit confusing, and then crashed :( [14:32] ;-) [14:32] seems ok now [14:32] * kenvandine did too much work around the house [14:32] didrocks: Good mornign! [14:33] tedg, speaking about silly stuff the bug we debugged until late the other day has been marked karmic blocker [14:33] tedg, seems to happen on liveCD at every boot [14:33] ewww [14:33] the one about the session indicator crashing on dbus assertion [14:33] tedg, I aslo noticed that black line in notification area [14:34] it is because of kenvandine indicator patch probably, I don't have that issue with upstream empathy [14:34] Zdra, i bet it is related to how we don't show the icon [14:34] seb128: :( Okay. [14:34] tedg, please file a bug :) [14:34] should be an easy fix [14:34] Zdra: I'm guessing it's because the icons is being hidden and not the status area container? [14:34] kenvandine, there is some bugs about that already I think [14:35] seb128, about the line? i haven't seen one [14:35] tedg, pitti was wondering why you don't rely on the .service to dbus active things too [14:35] I noticed that the fast user switch applet's presence icon gets confused sometimes with hidden state [14:35] but at least now it shows presence and not always offline :D [14:36] hey tedg [14:36] Zdra, indeed :) [14:36] seb128: I am using the service file, I'm just requesting that it start. We need it to send us signals of changes. [14:36] kenvandine, bug #434316 for example [14:36] Launchpad bug 434316 in update-notifier "Useless black bar in notification area visible" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434316 [14:36] Zdra: Well, we're justing using libempathy, so if it's wrong you should blame those Empathy guys ;) [14:36] hmmmm [14:36] pitti: care to look at the branch in bug #434884 ? :) [14:36] Launchpad bug 434884 in ubuntuone-client "UIF exception: ubuntuone-client preferences" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434884 [14:36] kenvandine, not sure if that's a gtk issue or update-notifier has the same issue or if it's wrongly assigned [14:36] tedg: hm, I didn't see that function call being used elsewhere; out of interest, why is it necessary? [14:37] dobey: heh, next one in my mail box incidentally :) [14:37] i assigned bug 434316 to update-notifier because i see the black bar when i log in sometimes, and before i open empathy [14:37] Launchpad bug 434316 in update-notifier "Useless black bar in notification area visible" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434316 [14:37] pitti: yay :) [14:37] tedg, ah... I though it was using MC5 directly :p [14:37] pitti: It starts the process. I guess we could just call a function on it, but at least from what I've read that seems to be the way you're supposed to start a process. [14:37] dobey: oh, why can't you land changes in trunk? [14:38] Zdra: Tried that, gave up and used libempathy. :) [14:38] pitti: we don't have separate stable branches yet [14:38] tedg, is that python code? [14:38] tedg, or C api? [14:38] pitti: so if it lands in trunk, it's going to end up in karmic [14:38] Zdra: C [14:38] tedg: seems I didn't stumble over this documentation then; in my own projects I just call the actual d-bus methods and let d-bus worry about activation [14:39] pitti - i've seen that fail on the first call before [14:39] dobey: so, what does the branch change? [14:39] pitti: Hmm, interesting. I wonder if that function is buggy, and no one uses it, so no one has noticed before :-/ [14:39] eg, currently users-admin sometimes fails the first time you open it, even though system-tools-backends gets activated [14:40] and then it works the second time you run it [14:40] and i've seen it with other stuff i've worked on as well [14:40] seb128, ok i am pretty sure that is empathy causing it not update-notifier [14:40] it happens when you get an incoming message [14:40] tedg, chrisccoulson: interesting; so this rather sounds like a proper d-bus bug then [14:40] just starting empathy doesn't put the line up there [14:41] * kenvandine is going to be in that part of the patch today and will look [14:41] pitti: a lot. splits the prefs UI into a separate program in $bindir, adds another launcher for System->Preferences to only launch the prefs UI, and opens the prefs UI if the client is already running and you run it again. and it adds the necessary little bit of dbus methods so that the prefs UI can signal the applet for changes [14:42] pitti - i think that was also the underlying issue in bug 376145 too [14:42]