[07:39] <mac_v> lool: hi... figured out the problems of the greyscale icons showing up in the apps... now there is no problem of that... kwwii  has decided that the UNR needs a lighter version of the panel icons , so now we will be making a separate version of the panel icons for UNR , which is more brighter. :)
[07:45] <lool> mac_v: :-(
[07:45] <lool> New stuff == greater pain
[07:46] <lool> mac_v: So where's that documented?
[07:46] <lool> mac_v: Is that in email/bug somewhere?
[07:49] <mac_v> lool: its not a problem... since either way , you guys were planning on removing the panel icons in UNR while UBUNTU has decided to use the icons , so you would need a separate theme for UNR named Humanity-Dark or likewise... instead of just removing the icons for UNR , we are making it better visible
[07:50] <mac_v> it would look more consistent than using the gnome fallbacks
[07:51] <lool> UNR and Ubuntu are based on the same packages; it's not like we consider ourselves separate project
[07:51] <lool> But the problem here is with doing changes at this stage
[07:51] <mac_v> lool: i understand , the Humanity-Dark will just be a theme with 100kb
[07:52] <lool> Beta is on Thursday, but the images we build tonight are already being tested heavily
[07:52] <lool> It's not the size
[07:52] <StevenK> We're already after UI freeze, documentation starts to get worked on at this point, etc, etc
[07:54] <mac_v> StevenK: i agree , but no one got things going until it was very late :(
[07:55] <mac_v> there is not much change in the theme , *only* the panel icons will become brighter from what they are used atm in UNR
[07:55] <lool> mac_v: So where are these icons?
[07:56] <lool> Let's not look for blame
[07:56] <lool> Situation is that we have this mix of icons, we're the week of beta, and I need a final plan agreed upon
[07:56] <mac_v> oh... i'm not blaming anyone... if the icons are removed , that would need more change in documentation
[07:57] <mac_v> lool: Daniel hasnt branched this out yet, i'm now converting the icons to a more brighter color , it will be available in a few hrs
[07:57] <lool> mac_v: Could you have them in the same humanity tree?
[07:58] <lool> mac_v: Ideally, I'd prefer introducing only a new binary package; that is, I'd prefer if I'd get a single tarball with both the current humanity tree, and a side tree for the dark version of the icons
[07:58] <mac_v> you mean , can they be placed in the humanity theme itself...? not without code change
[07:58] <mac_v> this is the easiest
[07:58] <lool> mac_v: For instance you could mkdir Humanity, bzr mv * Humanity, mkdir Humanity-dark and add only the changed icons to the dark tree
[07:59] <lool> And we would have an index.theme in Humanity-dark which inherits humanity
[07:59] <mac_v> yup
[07:59]  * Debolaz wish moblin supported 3g modems.
[07:59] <mac_v> lool: that is how we have planned , the panel icon theme will inherit the humanity main theme
[08:07] <lool> mac_v: Could you start preparing that so that I can prepare the packaging on my end and we can ship in a relatively little amount of time if that's the way we go?
[08:08] <mac_v> lool: sure, i'm correcting the icons as we speak... will have the icons ready in a few hrs... could you just confirm me one thing? the color of the font used in the calender
[08:08] <mac_v> the date on the panel*
[08:11] <lool> I have no idea
[08:12] <lool> mac_v: we're using the "Dust" Gtk+ theme if that's of any help
[08:12] <mac_v> ok , no probs, i'll check it out :)
[08:17] <mac_v> lool: just to mention.. pls dont package anything from lp:humanity now... this icons have been modified for Ubuntu and will be dark... 
[08:17] <mac_v> s/this/the
[08:19] <lool> mac_v: Well perhaps I should if we want them in Ubuntu
[08:20] <lool> mac_v: You know I'm developing Ubuntu at the same time as UNR; the two projects are built on the same bits
[08:20] <lool> Except I get to focus on UNR matters
[08:20] <mac_v> lool: oh , ok.. thats fine... i meant for UNR use
[08:20] <mac_v> :)
[08:20] <lool> So whenever something impacts both (as is now the case with this theme) it needs coordination
[08:21] <lool> So you should rather tell me that the current humanity branch has the planned changes for the desktop but not the required changes to use it in UNR (separate panel icons)   :)
[08:21] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[08:21] <mac_v> lool:  when will you be packaging them? 
[08:22] <mac_v> i just have 1 more minor change to do and they are good to go , will be pushing in a bit
[08:30] <lool> mac_v: I don't know; it's high on my urgent list, but consider that it's the week of beta and that I also need to care for armel stuff (Dove and iMX51 images notably) and moblin remix and that this is not the sole UNR issue
[08:30] <lool> So the sooner it's available, the more likely I can do something with it
[08:53] <mac_v> lool: rev 346 is good to go for Ubuntu... :)
[08:54]  * mac_v  will be finishing the UNR icons soon
[08:54] <lool> mac_v: But I can't upload it until it's good to go for UNR because we're using the same package
[08:55] <lool> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryicons/humanity/Humanity/".
[08:55] <lool> Did you move your trunk?
[08:55] <mac_v> lool: its elementrayart now
[08:55] <mac_v> lool: someone has moved it :/
[08:56] <lool> mac_v: That sucks; consider using something like "trunk" or something
[08:57] <mac_v>  new theme name i'll confirm with kwwii , which name he wants used
[08:58] <mac_v> oh the branch name i'm not sure who changed it :(
[11:48] <lool> paulliu: Hey, how goes with UMR these days?
[11:48] <lool> paulliu: Do you plan any other uploads to karmic before beta?
[11:51] <paulliu> lool: yes. When is the beta?
[11:52] <paulliu> lool: sorry I went to Taipei office today.
[11:52] <lool> paulliu: beta is thursday
[11:52] <lool> paulliu: np
[11:52] <paulliu> lool: OK. Will do all the upload before wednesday.
[11:59] <lool> paulliu: Well just let me know if there are any
[11:59] <lool> paulliu: We're building the image on Tuesday and Wednesday, hopefully not later
[11:59] <lool> paulliu: only critical bug fixes should go in
[12:24] <mac_v> lool: both Humanity and Humanity-Dark are done... :)  just waiting for kwwii, he has gone out and will be back soon
[12:49] <paulliu> lool: OK. Do you satisfy with the current image?
[12:49] <paulliu> lool: I'm just thinking to bump the version of nbtk.
[12:51] <lool> paulliu: I didn't try today, the biggest issues are probably the preferences file and the login to GNOME issue
[12:51] <lool> StevenK: Do we have a bug for that one?
[12:51] <lool> paulliu: If you feel that's needed, go ahead!
[12:51] <paulliu> lool: ok. thank you.
[13:03] <mterry> lool: the login to GNOME issue?  bug 420047.  I was about to look at it
[13:05] <lool> mterry: Cool thanks
[13:05] <lool> mterry: So you're doing moblin bits?
[13:05] <mterry> lool: yeah this week
[13:08] <lool> Oh ok
[13:40] <mterry> lool, paulliu: For moblin-ubuntu-remix bugs, are we following distro policy of 'fix released' when uploaded to ppa?
[13:40] <lool> Yes
[13:45] <mterry> lool: my myzone page is just a big white blank.  is this a known bug?
[13:45] <lool> mterry: More or less
[13:45]  * mterry thinks, "i should probably search before asking"
[13:46] <lool> mterry: I think omer filed it, not sure, but things are generally quite in flux with the move to 2.1
[13:46] <mterry> lool: ah sure
[14:02] <paulliu> mterry: I'm going to fix that blank bug. wait for a while. I'll take anerley, nbtk, mutter-moblin, moblin-panel-* updates first.
[14:03] <mterry> paulliu: ok, cool.
[18:33] <mterry> paulliu: what package is setting my moblin image's default gnome background to toys.png?  I can't find it...  Thought you might know, if you ported that bit
[18:34] <paulliu> mterry: mutter-moblin
[18:35] <paulliu> mterry: Wait for a while. It's still waiting for build with PPA.
[18:35] <paulliu> mterry: I've just uploaded it.
[18:36] <mterry> paulliu: mutter-moblin sets that once you're in.  but something is setting the system gconf default as well -- it shows up as the background for gdm for example
[18:40] <paulliu> mterry: sorry. I don't rememer.
[18:49] <rtg> GrueMaster, I'm pretty sure I moderated an email from you last week about tty LSB compliance failures, but I'm danged if I can find it.
[18:50] <GrueMaster> Yes, I had sent a patch to Pete Graner, which he forwarded on.
[18:51] <rtg> GrueMaster, did you create an LP report for it? I can't find anything you're subscribed to that references LSB or tty.
[18:52] <GrueMaster> I think you were asking me what bug this goes against.  I haven't reported it yet, but it was a bug in the kernel created by Alan Cox.
[18:52] <GrueMaster> It isn't in LP.
[18:52] <GrueMaster> I can file a bug, but it will take a bit.  I'm in the middle of another task atm.
[18:53] <rtg> GrueMaster, given that the kernel is in beat freeze I'll need an LP against which to reference the changes.
[18:53] <rtg> beta*
[18:53] <GrueMaster> ok.
[18:53] <rtg> ciao