| EruditeHermit | hey | 07:22 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | hi | 08:44 |
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| EruditeHermit | hi | 09:44 |
| asac | hi EruditeHermit | 09:45 |
| EruditeHermit | asac, hi | 09:45 |
| EruditeHermit | asac, you wouldn't happen to know if there is a ppa for gnash 0.8.6 would you? | 09:46 |
| EruditeHermit | can't find one by googling | 09:46 |
| asac | EruditeHermit: nope. usually gnash folks talked to me about release etc. they didnt this time so i didnt do it yet | 09:47 |
| EruditeHermit | ah | 09:47 |
| EruditeHermit | will it end up in karmic do you think? | 09:47 |
| EruditeHermit | or will it miss it | 09:47 |
| asac | pretty sure...yes | 09:47 |
| EruditeHermit | cool | 09:47 |
| EruditeHermit | have you played around with it at all? | 09:47 |
| asac | not yet ;) | 09:48 |
| asac | lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu | 09:48 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 09:49 |
| EruditeHermit | what does that mean? | 09:49 |
| asac | that it needs to be done there ;) | 09:50 |
| EruditeHermit | lp is launchpad? | 09:50 |
| asac | yes | 09:50 |
| EruditeHermit | ~gnash/gnash/ubuntu is a ppa? | 09:50 |
| asac | bzr branch lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu | 09:50 |
| EruditeHermit | ah, I have to read up on bazaar | 09:51 |
| EruditeHermit | well, nice to know | 09:51 |
| EruditeHermit | when do you think you'll get around to it? | 09:52 |
| asac | this week | 09:52 |
| EruditeHermit | cool | 09:52 |
| EruditeHermit | i'll check back friday or saturday I guess | 09:52 |
| EruditeHermit | thanks for the info and for packaging it | 09:52 |
| asac | sure | 09:53 |
| asac | np | 09:53 |
| asac | feel free to bug me in the middle for the week again | 09:53 |
| asac | jdstrand: for the cherry pick about not enabling upgraders aa | 09:56 |
| asac | jdstrand: is that version test accurate enough? | 09:56 |
| asac | if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 || echo "$2" | egrep -q '(9.04|8.10|8.04)' ; then | 09:57 |
| asac | most users will have $2 = "" | 09:58 |
| asac | hmm | 09:58 |
| asac | thta seems to trigger the first dpkg | 09:58 |
| EruditeHermit | asac, ok i'll check in mid week | 10:09 |
| asac | tzhx | 10:09 |
| EruditeHermit | gnight for now | 10:09 |
| EruditeHermit | good day to you in europe | 10:09 |
| asac | kenvandine: uploaded bindwood | 11:35 |
| asac | kenvandine: please bug the RMs if you want to get that in | 11:35 |
| fta | asac, google complained about bug 262723 introducing a 200ms+ regression (chromium startup time) on hardy when gtk theme is enabled. could we fix that in hardy onward? | 11:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262723 in human-icon-theme "Gnome and Human icon themes do not contain icon caches" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262723 | 11:40 |
| fta | see #9 | 11:41 |
| asac | asking seb | 11:43 |
| asac | commented | 11:46 |
| asac | based on -desktop | 11:46 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/276601/ | 12:06 |
| asac | well... on the other side its about 200ms ;) | 12:16 |
| jdstrand | asac: if $2 is "", then "" is less than 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3, which will disable the profile (as intended) | 12:31 |
| asac | jdstrand: already uploaded ;) | 12:41 |
| fta | asac, because of that, they are not enabling the gtk themes by default | 12:47 |
| fta | asac, and 200ms is just the value i have on the top of my head, maybe it's worse, i need to check | 12:48 |
| asac | they said 200ms in the bug | 12:49 |
| asac | cyphermox: about the connman merge request | 12:50 |
| asac | cyphermox: i think we should not do the copy of scripts/connman to debian/... | 12:50 |
| asac | afaik we already install it to the right places, right? | 12:50 |
| asac | i think we should use --onlyscripts | 12:50 |
| asac | for dh_installinit ... maybe check if that works | 12:51 |
| mac_v | asac: lol , you removed the heart ;) | 12:57 |
| mac_v | nm is now not showing love :( | 12:58 |
| asac | hehe | 13:03 |
| cyphermox | asac: got it, but I could only start to look at that wednesday :/ | 13:08 |
| cyphermox | I'll be on vacation starting wednesday, until then I have a new datacenter to bring up live ;) | 13:08 |
| asac | ok | 13:08 |
| asac | that should be soon enough | 13:08 |
| fta | asac, *sigh* that's just one more bug that makes them think we don't care about older distros, even LTS :P | 13:11 |
| dpm | asac: we've got a translation template for xulrunner not associated with any distro at https://translations.launchpad.net/xulrunner/1.9.1/+pots/xulrunner. What's that? Shall I disable it? | 13:21 |
| asac | dpm: yes. please delete | 14:18 |
| dpm | ok, done | 14:19 |
| asac | thx | 14:24 |
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| mac_v | asac: hey , what icon do you think ad-hoc can express better? | 14:41 |
| mac_v | can be* | 14:41 |
| asac | mac_v: i didnt open the bug ;) | 14:42 |
| asac | i just said that its not useless | 14:42 |
| mac_v | yeah , i know but getting an idea from you ;) | 14:42 |
| asac | i think the current one is o.k (not better) | 14:42 |
| asac | it tries to tell users that this AP is not a normal AP, but form a computer | 14:42 |
| asac | problem is that noone will understand that | 14:42 |
| mac_v | the hi-color one was even worse , it was just a monitor :( | 14:42 |
| asac | so if there are ideas how to make something that scares users that would be good | 14:43 |
| asac | yeah i know | 14:43 |
| mac_v | a skull \o/ | 14:43 |
| mac_v | ;p | 14:43 |
| asac | mac_v: i didnt actually refer to the human icon | 14:43 |
| asac | i meant: "its understood that the upstream icon isnt grewat" ;) | 14:43 |
| asac | mac_v: a hot potato ;) | 14:43 |
| mac_v | asac: i understood | 14:44 |
| asac | or a hot computer ;) | 14:44 |
| asac | "you might burn yourself" | 14:44 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 14:44 |
| mac_v | asac: lol! you wanted a tall tower for wwan and i used it and this happens ;) > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32598429/ad-hoc.png | 15:30 |
| asac | i had the lock in mind ;) | 15:31 |
| asac | so yeah. seems thats an unfortunatey approach | 15:31 |
| mac_v | hm, so i have to do a differnt tower ;) | 15:31 |
| asac | mac_v: do you know the upstream one? | 15:32 |
| asac | i like it ;) | 15:32 |
| mac_v | what upstream one? | 15:32 |
| asac | doing something similar using the greyscale approach should be possible | 15:32 |
| asac | mac_v: the hicolor | 15:32 |
| asac | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-device-wwan.png | 15:33 |
| mac_v | oh , like that , but you said that the wwan will also get the signal indicators soon , | 15:33 |
| asac | yes. there are signal rings | 15:33 |
| mac_v | so in anticipation i did this ;) | 15:33 |
| asac | kiwii did something for that | 15:33 |
| asac | let me check what he sent me a few days ago | 15:33 |
| asac | http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/NetworkManagerIcons.tar.gz | 15:34 |
| asac | mac_v: ^^ | 15:34 |
| asac | there is signal strength ... and also technology (letters) overlays | 15:34 |
| asac | like U (umts), E (edge), H, G | 15:35 |
| mac_v | asac: nice , i get forbidden ;p | 15:35 |
| mac_v | that link is only for canonical folks | 15:35 |
| asac | really? | 15:35 |
| asac | nah | 15:36 |
| asac | normally it just works | 15:36 |
| asac | one sec | 15:36 |
| asac | try agin | 15:36 |
| asac | mac_v: ^^ | 15:36 |
| asac | so the green ones are signal strength 100, 75, 50, 25 and the orange/red one is 00 | 15:36 |
| mac_v | yeah ,works now :) | 15:36 |
| mac_v | hmm, that would not work when an overlay icon is used for greyscale icons :( , the H G E stuff is not a problem | 15:39 |
| mac_v | asac: hm... i could have the signals only on one side ;) | 15:39 |
| mac_v | so then the overlay lock wont cover it | 15:40 |
| mac_v | asac: so how are the labels for the wwan supposed , for the signal strengths... or you still have to discuss it ;) | 15:42 |
| asac | still have to discuss | 15:42 |
| mac_v | :) | 15:42 |
| asac | i would think its nm-device-wwan-signal-100 etc. | 15:42 |
| asac | like you suggested | 15:42 |
| ejat | asac: previously my broadband work .. but a few day lately it wont work :( | 15:44 |
| ejat | huawei e106e | 15:44 |
| * ejat now in wvdial mode :( | 15:44 | |
| asac | ejat: did it break right after karmic upgrade or just a few days ago=? | 15:45 |
| ejat | a few day .. | 15:46 |
| ejat | previously it work fine .. | 15:46 |
| asac | ejat: try to downgrade modem-manager please | 15:46 |
| asac | to version before | 15:46 |
| ejat | but .. ive try my dad huawei .. it seems work .. so now i didnt know how to differentiate/trace :( | 15:47 |
| ejat | and sometimes .. if i execute : lsusb | 15:48 |
| ejat | its hang .. | 15:48 |
| ejat | after plugging the modem usb stick | 15:48 |
| ejat | is there any daily build after 20090923 ? | 15:49 |
| [reed] | asac: http://twitter.com/asacasa/status/4439008841 -- I read that as "fart too much" | 15:52 |
| ejat | i saw at lp build 20090926 | 15:53 |
| ejat | build fail :) | 15:54 |
| asac | haha | 15:57 |
| asac | bdmurray: hola. can you add my bugmail account "asacbug" to bugcontrol ... seems my catch all account doesnt catch all the crashes (yet) | 16:26 |
| asac | bdmurray: actually i changed my mind ;) ... dont add me there ;) | 16:27 |
| asac | jdstrand: would you mind to process network-manger-openconnect on your next archive day? i got a FFe from motu-release, but seems no archive admin ever processed it | 16:29 |
| asac | its the same packaging as all the other vpn plugins | 16:29 |
| jdstrand | asac: I've made a note of it. my next day is Friday though | 16:30 |
| asac | thx | 16:33 |
| asac | thats good | 16:33 |
| eagles0513875 | hey asac | 17:47 |
| eagles0513875 | av`: pmed me wiht a new channel is that where we taking the discussion now asac | 17:48 |
| asac | yeah. i wont go in that channel ;) | 18:00 |
| asac | i already told him long ago ;) | 18:00 |
| eagles0513875 | whats that for any way | 18:02 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: ill stay where ever u r lol | 18:27 |
| asac | eagles0513875: feel free to go there. might even be helpful. its just that i cannot be in more channels ;) | 18:34 |
| eagles0513875 | i cant either to be honest im already in alot of channels and majority being ubuntu or kubuntu related | 18:35 |
| ejat | asac: what is the diff between normal package n -nmt* ? | 18:53 |
| ejat | for network-manager-gnome? | 18:53 |
| ejat | trying to downgrade it .. | 18:55 |
| av` | eagles0513875, asac can't coz he can't add new channels on startup I guess | 19:08 |
| av` | eagles0513875, sad to hear stuff like: "i cant either to be honest im already in alot of channels and majority being ubuntu or kubuntu related" | 19:09 |
| av` | do whatever you like ;) | 19:10 |
| asac | jdstrand: Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP6 Configure Get) started... | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu NetworkManager: <info> Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP6 Configure Get) complete. | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 58.945323] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 58.945442] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.429977] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:11): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/etc/ld.so.cache" | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.430013] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:12): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.10.1.so" | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.430718] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:13): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/lib/libc-2.10.1.so" | 19:27 |
| asac | Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 60.053562] Adding 3911788k swap on /dev/sdb6. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3911788k | 19:27 |
| asac | isnt that fixed in apparmor? | 19:28 |
| asac | err in dhclient apparmor policy | 19:28 |
| asac | eagles0513875: ~nmt is daily | 19:28 |
| jdstrand | asac: apparmor shouldn't be enabled in the installer, cause the paths are all wrong | 19:30 |
| jdstrand | asac: that is fallout from apparmor moving to initramfs, and kees should have uploaded a fix for it | 19:30 |
| jdstrand | asac: I'm not sure of the status of that fix wrt current CD images. you might ask him | 19:30 |
| asac | err. so atm you cannot get dhcp network working? | 19:31 |
| asac | will that be fixed for beta | 19:31 |
| asac | or can i stop my life instantly? | 19:31 |
| jdstrand | asac: I thought it was fixed. you might want to ask kees in #ubuntu-devel if it isn't fixed for you now | 19:31 |
| asac | jdstrand: what was the bug? | 19:31 |
| jdstrand | apparmor (2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu22) karmic; urgency=low | 19:32 |
| jdstrand | * Do not run AppArmor on the LiveCD, again (LP: #131976). | 19:32 |
| asac | jdstrand: so what are users that installed like this supposed to do? | 19:32 |
| jdstrand | asac: what version of apparmor do you have in your cd image? | 19:32 |
| asac | remove everything from /etc/apparmor/... ? | 19:32 |
| jdstrand | asac: sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop | 19:33 |
| asac | jdstrand: but thats just temporary | 19:33 |
| asac | isnt it? | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | asac: it isn't a problem after reboot. | 19:33 |
| asac | or are you saying its only on livecd? | 19:33 |
| asac | not on install? | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | /rofs/lib/libc-2.10.1.so | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | that is a live cd install path ^ | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | */rofs/* | 19:33 |
| asac | kk | 19:34 |
| asac | bug 417719 | 19:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 417719 in network-manager "Disconnected static wired network initially treated as connected" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417719 | 19:43 |
| asac | mac_v: have a link to the new icon? | 19:56 |
| mac_v | asac: just a sec | 19:56 |
| asac | thx | 19:56 |
| mac_v | asac: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-adhoc.svg | 19:57 |
| mac_v | i was talking to mat , and he says that icon can be a separate icon too :( , and not use the device icon , but instead an icon which signifies a security warning | 19:59 |
| asac | i like that adhoc thing | 19:59 |
| asac | i will check with upstream what to do in general | 20:00 |
| asac | its not purely security | 20:00 |
| asac | partly | 20:00 |
| asac | and partly its that its really special | 20:00 |
| mac_v | i agree , but have the device icon doesnt signify anything to the user | 20:00 |
| mac_v | having* | 20:00 |
| asac | as you the one you made is ok | 20:01 |
| asac | attention ... signal is from computer ;) | 20:01 |
| mac_v | :) | 20:01 |
| asac | hmm | 20:01 |
| asac | maybe even a head or something | 20:01 |
| asac | so you see its something run by individuals | 20:01 |
| asac | though there are also printers with adhoc networks etc. | 20:01 |
| mac_v | asac: like this > http://www.iconfinder.net/icondetails/15216/128/?q=thief | 20:02 |
| asac | heh | 20:02 |
| asac | no. i meant more a small head behind the monitor | 20:02 |
| asac | so you see that thing is owned by a person (in most cases) | 20:02 |
| asac | but the thief is nice too ;) | 20:02 |
| mac_v | oh....but either way the device icon used there is a problem | 20:02 |
| asac | well. thats the other bug ;) | 20:03 |
| asac | if that icon is used for status at least | 20:03 |
| * mac_v feels nm is too buggy. ;p | 20:03 | |
| mac_v | atleast regarding icons ;) | 20:03 |
| asac | welll. its really about minimizing duplication i am sure | 20:04 |
| asac | similar to gnome-bluetooth | 20:04 |
| asac | noone would think about using differnt icons for differnt locations | 20:04 |
| mac_v | if its using the *notification* area , it needs to be a different label... | 20:04 |
| mac_v | rather than just an icon of the app | 20:05 |
| mac_v | it should notify something | 20:05 |
| asac | who says that? | 20:05 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 20:05 |
| mac_v | asac: what is the use of just having the app icon displayed? | 20:05 |
| asac | if it matches what you want to display thats natural | 20:06 |
| asac | and noone complained in the past - so doesnt feel that odd ;) | 20:06 |
| mac_v | no cared for UI , thats the main issue | 20:06 |
| mac_v | devs just did what they felt ;) | 20:06 |
| mac_v | asac: like for the ad-hoc... why is the icon needed there? if it convey useful information | 20:07 |
| asac | you cannot educate users about any details | 20:08 |
| asac | only thing you can tell them is that its special | 20:08 |
| asac | and then provide doc somewhere etc. | 20:08 |
| asac | in some cases it shouldnt be needed | 20:08 |
| asac | actually in most cases | 20:08 |
| asac | but there are things where you need users to know about something | 20:08 |
| mac_v | i agree , you cannot educate , but if the goal of displaying the ad-hoc in the menu was to say , oh be a little wary of this... then just displaying the ad-hoc icon is not signifying it to the user | 20:09 |
| asac | as i said. there are various aspects why its special | 20:09 |
| asac | security risk is one of them | 20:09 |
| mac_v | yup | 20:09 |
| asac | what it tells you is: this is a net provided by device | 20:10 |
| asac | and nothing you usually want to connect to | 20:10 |
| mac_v | thats the problem... but not all users know what the device icon is | 20:10 |
| mac_v | like the ethernet icon in human | 20:10 |
| asac | no. but there is no solution. you can only provide hints ;) | 20:11 |
| asac | you cannot write "Ad-Hoc" ... nobody wil understand that | 20:11 |
| asac | so for users that have no clue you display a meaningless icon | 20:11 |
| mac_v | but you can add the symbol signifying "open network + security risk" | 20:12 |
| asac | those users will be totally confused anyway by anything and will not care | 20:12 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 20:12 |
| asac | then you have users that know what that means and those need a tooltip or something | 20:12 |
| mac_v | yeah... but the thief icon is easily recognizable , right ;) | 20:12 |
| mac_v | not saying to use it | 20:12 |
| asac | i think for the user the most important message is: "this network will not bring you to internet if you dont know that" | 20:12 |
| mac_v | but just that we can come up with better metaphors | 20:13 |
| asac | and the other message is: "this is a ad-hoc network" | 20:13 |
| asac | so maybe it needs two icons | 20:13 |
| mac_v | humm,,, that maybe better | 20:13 |
| asac | i think it should be something that signals "this is a dead end and something personal" | 20:14 |
| mac_v | BTW is the favorite icon coming back ? :) | 20:14 |
| asac | no | 20:14 |
| mac_v | great :) | 20:14 |
| asac | i dont see it coming at least in karmic | 20:14 |
| mac_v | as mysteriously as it came it went away ;p | 20:15 |
| asac | thats if you work with upstreams. | 20:15 |
| asac | its a great achievement that we got what we got ;) | 20:15 |
| mac_v | ;) | 20:15 |
| asac | nm guy is a fedora/redhat guy | 20:15 |
| asac | so he couldnt care less ;) | 20:16 |
| mac_v | what happened to the conman? | 20:16 |
| asac | typo ;) | 20:16 |
| mac_v | lol | 20:16 |
| asac | it was a conjob ;) | 20:16 |
| asac | well. it was massively pushed | 20:17 |
| asac | but feature wise its still behind | 20:17 |
| asac | and there is no gnome applet atm | 20:17 |
| asac | only mutter | 20:17 |
| asac | carrick | 20:17 |
| mac_v | hmm.. way dont doesnt canonical fork it ? | 20:18 |
| asac | fork what? | 20:18 |
| mac_v | why doesnt canonical fork it ? | 20:18 |
| mac_v | nm | 20:18 |
| asac | fork what ;) | 20:18 |
| asac | nm? | 20:18 |
| mac_v | yeah | 20:18 |
| asac | imo that would be the wrong approach | 20:18 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) but when they dont listen... ;p | 20:19 |
| asac | you can fork and be alone | 20:19 |
| asac | or fork and regularly merge | 20:19 |
| asac | listen to what? | 20:19 |
| mac_v | fork and regular merge will be nice... | 20:19 |
| asac | its healthy to have discussions | 20:19 |
| asac | the NM guy is quite a machine. would be stupid | 20:19 |
| mac_v | <asac> nm guy is a fedora/redhat guy <asac> so he couldnt care less ;) | 20:19 |
| asac | you cannot merge regularly | 20:20 |
| asac | he cares | 20:20 |
| asac | but only because of hard work in the past | 20:20 |
| mac_v | oh... ok.. | 20:20 |
| asac | also ubuntu never really contributed | 20:20 |
| asac | directly | 20:20 |
| mac_v | i thought he doesnt listen | 20:20 |
| asac | he listens | 20:21 |
| asac | but he often has a different approach | 20:21 |
| asac | you cannot demand something | 20:21 |
| mac_v | yeah | 20:21 |
| mac_v | oh , i still havent check the icons used by firefox! , remember i told you i'd give you a list | 20:23 |
| mac_v | i should make that list , once stuff clears out a bit | 20:24 |
| mac_v | with humanity | 20:24 |
| asac | yeah | 20:32 |
| asac | that would be good | 20:32 |
| fta | kenvandine, is there a workaround for gwibber unreadable with dark themes? | 21:27 |
| av` | asac, if you don't want another channel I can connect the commit bot here | 22:12 |
| av` | what do you think? | 22:12 |
| kenvandine | fta, not yet... it is just that gwibber theme | 22:22 |
| kenvandine | the work around would be to use default or compact | 22:22 |
| kenvandine | not gilouche | 22:22 |
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| fta | kenvandine, i just see gilouche in the list | 22:37 |
| kenvandine | you should have 3 | 22:37 |
| fta | hm, gwibber just froze | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | usuall | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | I'm still on 1.2 | 22:39 |
| fta | is it supposed to do that after an upgrade? | 22:39 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/280738/ | 22:40 |
| fta | kenvandine, ^^, and I still have 1 theme after a restart :( | 22:40 |
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