[07:22] hey [08:44] hi === asac_ is now known as asac [09:44] hi [09:45] hi EruditeHermit [09:45] asac, hi [09:46] asac, you wouldn't happen to know if there is a ppa for gnash 0.8.6 would you? [09:46] can't find one by googling [09:47] EruditeHermit: nope. usually gnash folks talked to me about release etc. they didnt this time so i didnt do it yet [09:47] ah [09:47] will it end up in karmic do you think? [09:47] or will it miss it [09:47] pretty sure...yes [09:47] cool [09:47] have you played around with it at all? [09:48] not yet ;) [09:48] lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu [09:49] hmm [09:49] what does that mean? [09:50] that it needs to be done there ;) [09:50] lp is launchpad? [09:50] yes [09:50] ~gnash/gnash/ubuntu is a ppa? [09:50] bzr branch lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu [09:51] ah, I have to read up on bazaar [09:51] well, nice to know [09:52] when do you think you'll get around to it? [09:52] this week [09:52] cool [09:52] i'll check back friday or saturday I guess [09:52] thanks for the info and for packaging it [09:53] sure [09:53] np [09:53] feel free to bug me in the middle for the week again [09:56] jdstrand: for the cherry pick about not enabling upgraders aa [09:56] jdstrand: is that version test accurate enough? [09:57] if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 || echo "$2" | egrep -q '(9.04|8.10|8.04)' ; then [09:58] most users will have $2 = "" [09:58] hmm [09:58] thta seems to trigger the first dpkg [10:09] asac, ok i'll check in mid week [10:09] tzhx [10:09] gnight for now [10:09] good day to you in europe [11:35] kenvandine: uploaded bindwood [11:35] kenvandine: please bug the RMs if you want to get that in [11:40] asac, google complained about bug 262723 introducing a 200ms+ regression (chromium startup time) on hardy when gtk theme is enabled. could we fix that in hardy onward? [11:40] Launchpad bug 262723 in human-icon-theme "Gnome and Human icon themes do not contain icon caches" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262723 [11:41] see #9 [11:43] asking seb [11:46] commented [11:46] based on -desktop [12:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/276601/ [12:16] well... on the other side its about 200ms ;) [12:31] asac: if $2 is "", then "" is less than 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3, which will disable the profile (as intended) [12:41] jdstrand: already uploaded ;) [12:47] asac, because of that, they are not enabling the gtk themes by default [12:48] asac, and 200ms is just the value i have on the top of my head, maybe it's worse, i need to check [12:49] they said 200ms in the bug [12:50] cyphermox: about the connman merge request [12:50] cyphermox: i think we should not do the copy of scripts/connman to debian/... [12:50] afaik we already install it to the right places, right? [12:50] i think we should use --onlyscripts [12:51] for dh_installinit ... maybe check if that works [12:57] asac: lol , you removed the heart ;) [12:58] nm is now not showing love :( [13:03] hehe [13:08] asac: got it, but I could only start to look at that wednesday :/ [13:08] I'll be on vacation starting wednesday, until then I have a new datacenter to bring up live ;) [13:08] ok [13:08] that should be soon enough [13:11] asac, *sigh* that's just one more bug that makes them think we don't care about older distros, even LTS :P [13:21] asac: we've got a translation template for xulrunner not associated with any distro at https://translations.launchpad.net/xulrunner/1.9.1/+pots/xulrunner. What's that? Shall I disable it? [14:18] dpm: yes. please delete [14:19] ok, done [14:24] thx === jtv1 is now known as jtv [14:41] asac: hey , what icon do you think ad-hoc can express better? [14:41] can be* [14:42] mac_v: i didnt open the bug ;) [14:42] i just said that its not useless [14:42] yeah , i know but getting an idea from you ;) [14:42] i think the current one is o.k (not better) [14:42] it tries to tell users that this AP is not a normal AP, but form a computer [14:42] problem is that noone will understand that [14:42] the hi-color one was even worse , it was just a monitor :( [14:43] so if there are ideas how to make something that scares users that would be good [14:43] yeah i know [14:43] a skull \o/ [14:43] ;p [14:43] mac_v: i didnt actually refer to the human icon [14:43] i meant: "its understood that the upstream icon isnt grewat" ;) [14:43] mac_v: a hot potato ;) [14:44] asac: i understood [14:44] or a hot computer ;) [14:44] "you might burn yourself" [14:44] hehe ;) [15:30] asac: lol! you wanted a tall tower for wwan and i used it and this happens ;) > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32598429/ad-hoc.png [15:31] i had the lock in mind ;) [15:31] so yeah. seems thats an unfortunatey approach [15:31] hm, so i have to do a differnt tower ;) [15:32] mac_v: do you know the upstream one? [15:32] i like it ;) [15:32] what upstream one? [15:32] doing something similar using the greyscale approach should be possible [15:32] mac_v: the hicolor [15:33] /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-device-wwan.png [15:33] oh , like that , but you said that the wwan will also get the signal indicators soon , [15:33] yes. there are signal rings [15:33] so in anticipation i did this ;) [15:33] kiwii did something for that [15:33] let me check what he sent me a few days ago [15:34] http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/NetworkManagerIcons.tar.gz [15:34] mac_v: ^^ [15:34] there is signal strength ... and also technology (letters) overlays [15:35] like U (umts), E (edge), H, G [15:35] asac: nice , i get forbidden ;p [15:35] that link is only for canonical folks [15:35] really? [15:36] nah [15:36] normally it just works [15:36] one sec [15:36] try agin [15:36] mac_v: ^^ [15:36] so the green ones are signal strength 100, 75, 50, 25 and the orange/red one is 00 [15:36] yeah ,works now :) [15:39] hmm, that would not work when an overlay icon is used for greyscale icons :( , the H G E stuff is not a problem [15:39] asac: hm... i could have the signals only on one side ;) [15:40] so then the overlay lock wont cover it [15:42] asac: so how are the labels for the wwan supposed , for the signal strengths... or you still have to discuss it ;) [15:42] still have to discuss [15:42] :) [15:42] i would think its nm-device-wwan-signal-100 etc. [15:42] like you suggested [15:44] asac: previously my broadband work .. but a few day lately it wont work :( [15:44] huawei e106e [15:44] * ejat now in wvdial mode :( [15:45] ejat: did it break right after karmic upgrade or just a few days ago=? [15:46] a few day .. [15:46] previously it work fine .. [15:46] ejat: try to downgrade modem-manager please [15:46] to version before [15:47] but .. ive try my dad huawei .. it seems work .. so now i didnt know how to differentiate/trace :( [15:48] and sometimes .. if i execute : lsusb [15:48] its hang .. [15:48] after plugging the modem usb stick [15:49] is there any daily build after 20090923 ? [15:52] <[reed]> asac: http://twitter.com/asacasa/status/4439008841 -- I read that as "fart too much" [15:53] i saw at lp build 20090926 [15:54] build fail :) [15:57] haha [16:26] bdmurray: hola. can you add my bugmail account "asacbug" to bugcontrol ... seems my catch all account doesnt catch all the crashes (yet) [16:27] bdmurray: actually i changed my mind ;) ... dont add me there ;) [16:29] jdstrand: would you mind to process network-manger-openconnect on your next archive day? i got a FFe from motu-release, but seems no archive admin ever processed it [16:29] its the same packaging as all the other vpn plugins [16:30] asac: I've made a note of it. my next day is Friday though [16:33] thx [16:33] thats good [17:47] hey asac [17:48] av`: pmed me wiht a new channel is that where we taking the discussion now asac [18:00] yeah. i wont go in that channel ;) [18:00] i already told him long ago ;) [18:02] whats that for any way [18:27] asac: ill stay where ever u r lol [18:34] eagles0513875: feel free to go there. might even be helpful. its just that i cannot be in more channels ;) [18:35] i cant either to be honest im already in alot of channels and majority being ubuntu or kubuntu related [18:53] asac: what is the diff between normal package n -nmt* ? [18:53] for network-manager-gnome? [18:55] trying to downgrade it .. [19:08] eagles0513875, asac can't coz he can't add new channels on startup I guess [19:09] eagles0513875, sad to hear stuff like: "i cant either to be honest im already in alot of channels and majority being ubuntu or kubuntu related" [19:10] do whatever you like ;) [19:27] jdstrand: Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu NetworkManager: Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP6 Configure Get) started... [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu NetworkManager: Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP6 Configure Get) complete. [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 58.945323] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 58.945442] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:03 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.429977] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:11): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/etc/ld.so.cache" [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.430013] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:12): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.10.1.so" [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 59.430718] type=1503 audit(1253984163.451:13): operation="open" pid=1829 parent=1663 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/rofs/lib/libc-2.10.1.so" [19:27] Sep 26 16:56:14 ubuntu kernel: [ 60.053562] Adding 3911788k swap on /dev/sdb6. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3911788k [19:28] isnt that fixed in apparmor? [19:28] err in dhclient apparmor policy [19:28] eagles0513875: ~nmt is daily [19:30] asac: apparmor shouldn't be enabled in the installer, cause the paths are all wrong [19:30] asac: that is fallout from apparmor moving to initramfs, and kees should have uploaded a fix for it [19:30] asac: I'm not sure of the status of that fix wrt current CD images. you might ask him [19:31] err. so atm you cannot get dhcp network working? [19:31] will that be fixed for beta [19:31] or can i stop my life instantly? [19:31] asac: I thought it was fixed. you might want to ask kees in #ubuntu-devel if it isn't fixed for you now [19:31] jdstrand: what was the bug? [19:32] apparmor (2.3.1+1403-0ubuntu22) karmic; urgency=low [19:32] * Do not run AppArmor on the LiveCD, again (LP: #131976). [19:32] jdstrand: so what are users that installed like this supposed to do? [19:32] asac: what version of apparmor do you have in your cd image? [19:32] remove everything from /etc/apparmor/... ? [19:33] asac: sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop [19:33] jdstrand: but thats just temporary [19:33] isnt it? [19:33] asac: it isn't a problem after reboot. [19:33] or are you saying its only on livecd? [19:33] not on install? [19:33] /rofs/lib/libc-2.10.1.so [19:33] that is a live cd install path ^ [19:33] */rofs/* [19:34] kk [19:43] bug 417719 [19:43] Launchpad bug 417719 in network-manager "Disconnected static wired network initially treated as connected" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417719 [19:56] mac_v: have a link to the new icon? [19:56] asac: just a sec [19:56] thx [19:57] asac: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/nm-adhoc.svg [19:59] i was talking to mat , and he says that icon can be a separate icon too :( , and not use the device icon , but instead an icon which signifies a security warning [19:59] i like that adhoc thing [20:00] i will check with upstream what to do in general [20:00] its not purely security [20:00] partly [20:00] and partly its that its really special [20:00] i agree , but have the device icon doesnt signify anything to the user [20:00] having* [20:01] as you the one you made is ok [20:01] attention ... signal is from computer ;) [20:01] :) [20:01] hmm [20:01] maybe even a head or something [20:01] so you see its something run by individuals [20:01] though there are also printers with adhoc networks etc. [20:02] asac: like this > http://www.iconfinder.net/icondetails/15216/128/?q=thief [20:02] heh [20:02] no. i meant more a small head behind the monitor [20:02] so you see that thing is owned by a person (in most cases) [20:02] but the thief is nice too ;) [20:02] oh....but either way the device icon used there is a problem [20:03] well. thats the other bug ;) [20:03] if that icon is used for status at least [20:03] * mac_v feels nm is too buggy. ;p [20:03] atleast regarding icons ;) [20:04] welll. its really about minimizing duplication i am sure [20:04] similar to gnome-bluetooth [20:04] noone would think about using differnt icons for differnt locations [20:04] if its using the *notification* area , it needs to be a different label... [20:05] rather than just an icon of the app [20:05] it should notify something [20:05] who says that? [20:05] hehe ;) [20:05] asac: what is the use of just having the app icon displayed? [20:06] if it matches what you want to display thats natural [20:06] and noone complained in the past - so doesnt feel that odd ;) [20:06] no cared for UI , thats the main issue [20:06] devs just did what they felt ;) [20:07] asac: like for the ad-hoc... why is the icon needed there? if it convey useful information [20:08] you cannot educate users about any details [20:08] only thing you can tell them is that its special [20:08] and then provide doc somewhere etc. [20:08] in some cases it shouldnt be needed [20:08] actually in most cases [20:08] but there are things where you need users to know about something [20:09] i agree , you cannot educate , but if the goal of displaying the ad-hoc in the menu was to say , oh be a little wary of this... then just displaying the ad-hoc icon is not signifying it to the user [20:09] as i said. there are various aspects why its special [20:09] security risk is one of them [20:09] yup [20:10] what it tells you is: this is a net provided by device [20:10] and nothing you usually want to connect to [20:10] thats the problem... but not all users know what the device icon is [20:10] like the ethernet icon in human [20:11] no. but there is no solution. you can only provide hints ;) [20:11] you cannot write "Ad-Hoc" ... nobody wil understand that [20:11] so for users that have no clue you display a meaningless icon [20:12] but you can add the symbol signifying "open network + security risk" [20:12] those users will be totally confused anyway by anything and will not care [20:12] hehe ;) [20:12] then you have users that know what that means and those need a tooltip or something [20:12] yeah... but the thief icon is easily recognizable , right ;) [20:12] not saying to use it [20:12] i think for the user the most important message is: "this network will not bring you to internet if you dont know that" [20:13] but just that we can come up with better metaphors [20:13] and the other message is: "this is a ad-hoc network" [20:13] so maybe it needs two icons [20:13] humm,,, that maybe better [20:14] i think it should be something that signals "this is a dead end and something personal" [20:14] BTW is the favorite icon coming back ? :) [20:14] no [20:14] great :) [20:14] i dont see it coming at least in karmic [20:15] as mysteriously as it came it went away ;p [20:15] thats if you work with upstreams. [20:15] its a great achievement that we got what we got ;) [20:15] ;) [20:15] nm guy is a fedora/redhat guy [20:16] so he couldnt care less ;) [20:16] what happened to the conman? [20:16] typo ;) [20:16] lol [20:16] it was a conjob ;) [20:17] well. it was massively pushed [20:17] but feature wise its still behind [20:17] and there is no gnome applet atm [20:17] only mutter [20:17] carrick [20:18] hmm.. way dont doesnt canonical fork it ? [20:18] fork what? [20:18] why doesnt canonical fork it ? [20:18] nm [20:18] fork what ;) [20:18] nm? [20:18] yeah [20:18] imo that would be the wrong approach [20:19] hehe ;) but when they dont listen... ;p [20:19] you can fork and be alone [20:19] or fork and regularly merge [20:19] listen to what? [20:19] fork and regular merge will be nice... [20:19] its healthy to have discussions [20:19] the NM guy is quite a machine. would be stupid [20:19] nm guy is a fedora/redhat guy so he couldnt care less ;) [20:20] you cannot merge regularly [20:20] he cares [20:20] but only because of hard work in the past [20:20] oh... ok.. [20:20] also ubuntu never really contributed [20:20] directly [20:20] i thought he doesnt listen [20:21] he listens [20:21] but he often has a different approach [20:21] you cannot demand something [20:21] yeah [20:23] oh , i still havent check the icons used by firefox! , remember i told you i'd give you a list [20:24] i should make that list , once stuff clears out a bit [20:24] with humanity [20:32] yeah [20:32] that would be good [21:27] kenvandine, is there a workaround for gwibber unreadable with dark themes? [22:12] asac, if you don't want another channel I can connect the commit bot here [22:12] what do you think? [22:22] fta, not yet... it is just that gwibber theme [22:22] the work around would be to use default or compact [22:22] not gilouche === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [22:37] kenvandine, i just see gilouche in the list [22:37] you should have 3 [22:39] hm, gwibber just froze [22:39] usuall [22:39] I'm still on 1.2 [22:39] is it supposed to do that after an upgrade? [22:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/280738/ [22:40] kenvandine, ^^, and I still have 1 theme after a restart :(