[00:22] <abarbaccia1> hey all - does the diskless server work in mythbuntu control centre?
[02:03] <Eagle_Boy> I just installed Mythbuntu 9.04 and when I go to the video manager the "Enter IMDB #" window is always showing.
[02:03] <Eagle_Boy> is anyone else having this issue?
[03:04] <rhpot1991> Eagle_Boy: known issue, if you search around there is a bug on LP about it
[06:19] <oobe> tgm4883, look at this http://insidiousramblings.com/blog/?p=40
[06:30] <tgm4883> oobe, hmm
[06:30] <tgm4883> interesting
[06:30] <tgm4883> I think i like the 0.22 mythbuntu theme better though
[06:32] <oobe> did u install it
[06:32] <oobe> i didnt know there was a 9.10 .22 theme
[06:33] <tgm4883> oobe, this is a little outdated, as the theme team has done a lot of work daily, but here http://bpcs.net/gallery/1-mythtv-mythbuntu-theme/detail/48-mythbuntutheme001.html?tmpl=component
[06:34] <tgm4883> and they do *a lot* of work tweaking the theme so it looks just right
[06:34] <tgm4883> I didn't install hacky mess, just looked at the screenshots
[06:35] <oobe> that theme looks nice
[06:35] <tgm4883> oobe, thank gbutters
[06:36] <oobe> good to see mythbuntu has its own theme now as apose to putting the logo ontop of Mepo or others.
[10:41] <hot_wheelz> are there any good dual usb tuners with a single RF input that work OTB? in 9.04
[10:46] <directhex> the problem word there is "good"
[10:59] <hot_wheelz> directhex can u give a twin that works otb then forget "good"
[12:37] <google> someone who can help me thrue the configuration for an tv out geforce card ?
[12:37] <google> the thing is that i dont know how to change the output to B-pal
[12:37] <hipitihop> I'm trying to upgrade my lirc to 0.8.6 to get my imon remote going and apt-get upgrade complains about keeping back lirc, any tips ?
[12:41] <hipitihop> Anyone have instructions on how to upgrade from the default mythbuntu 9.04 lirc to lirc 0.8.6 ?
[12:44] <google> someone who can help me thrue the configuration for an tv out geforce card ?
[12:44] <google> the thing is that i dont know how to change the output to B-pal
[12:50] <hipitihop> google: I'm a total mythbuntu noob, still trying to setup my shiny new htpc, but I thought B-Pal was one of the options in the mythbuntu control center
[14:26] <shashwatpns> myth tv is not starting !!!!
[14:27] <shashwatpns> help !
[14:33] <apt-get> the more exclamation marks you use, the slower the help comes in my experience
[14:45] <rhpot1991> shashwatpns: you should prob provide more information as well
[20:12]  * mishehu yawns.
[20:12] <mishehu> slow day today
[20:15] <orificium> is the weekly builds site down?
[20:15] <tgm4883> orificium, the US one is
[20:15] <tgm4883> we are looking into it
[20:16] <tgm4883> you can use the PPA or UK one right now
[20:16] <tgm4883> nice
 06:26:42> -myth tv is not starting !!!!
[20:16] <tgm4883> so start it?
[20:17] <tgm4883> booya, case closed
[20:17] <mishehu> so I'm about to find out how painful it is to attempt to get my hauppage hvr 2250 to work with 9.04...
[20:17]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[20:17] <orificium> hah, just saw the philly oct 3rd thing on the site.  I live in Philly.  Hm :)
[20:17] <mishehu> as soon as mythsetup launches of course :-)
[20:18] <orificium> Anyone gonna be there that can troubleshoot HD video on a 8300 seriesi chipset mobo? :)
[20:18] <tgm4883> well I live in oregon
[20:18] <tgm4883> so not me
[20:18] <tgm4883> but there are going to be some people there that should be able to troubleshoot some stuff
[20:19] <mishehu> "8300 series chipset mobo" is still rather vague.
[20:19] <rhpot1991> orificium: you mean VDPAU?
[20:19] <orificium> I'm betting an onboard 8300 series nvidia gpu isn't gonan hack it.
[20:19] <orificium> yeah using VDPAU
[20:19] <tgm4883> rhpot1991 might be going
[20:19] <rhpot1991> ya I'm planning on being there
[20:19] <tgm4883> I dont' think the 8300 supports VDPAU
[20:19] <tgm4883> sec
[20:20] <rhpot1991> GeForce 8300
[20:20] <rhpot1991> its on the list
[20:20] <tgm4883> ok
[20:20] <rhpot1991> gonna have to use a weak deinterlacer prob
[20:20] <orificium> Well I don't relly know what it is.  I think its either an 8300 or 8400.  It's a nVidia nForce 750a
[20:20] <orificium> I have deinterlacing off.
[20:21] <orificium> was watching Fringe the other week
[20:21] <orificium> and it was almost bearable, but vrey jittery
[20:21] <mishehu> oooh lovely!  mythsetup froze on load while doing a fresh install!
[20:21] <tgm4883> thats no deal
[20:21] <orificium> Someone mentioned FOX doesn't deinterlace
[20:21] <orificium> er
[20:21] <orificium> use interlaced
[20:22] <rhpot1991> I use deinterlacers for everything
[20:22] <orificium> IF I had VDPAU turned on, and its playing the video, does that mean VDPAU is supported?
[20:22] <rhpot1991> orificium: I think there is some command line tool you can run to see
[20:22] <rhpot1991> orificium: are you running karmic on it?
[20:22] <orificium> Running 9.04 + weekly builds
[20:22] <orificium> trunk
[20:23] <orificium> But I haven't updated in over a week probably
[20:23] <tgm4883> Penth, whats happening?
[20:23] <orificium> It's givign me a can't connect to weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org:80 now
[20:23] <rhpot1991> orificium: ya they are down currently, tgm4883 is on it
[20:23] <tgm4883> orificium, did you switch repos?
[20:24] <orificium> nah, not yet.
[20:24] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea, like I have control over that
[20:24]  * tgm4883 pokes Daviey 
[20:25] <Penth> Not much yet -- just doing research to turn an old HP flattop into a Mythbuntu box. Trying to find a popularity list for DVB-T and analog-out cards
[20:25] <tgm4883> Penth, you going to the install fest on the 3rd?
[20:26] <Penth> Instellfest? When and where?
[20:26] <rhpot1991> Philly, oct 3rd
[20:26] <orificium> what's the difference between PPA and US/UK?
[20:26] <tgm4883> Penth, sorry, I assumed thats what brought you here
[20:27] <Penth> No, but great to know. Is it on phillylinux.org?
[20:27] <Penth> (nm, found on google
[20:28] <rhpot1991> Penth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:29] <tgm4883> in fact
[20:29] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:29] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:29] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, where is Zinn?
[20:29] <rhpot1991> good question
[20:30] <tgm4883> I'll assume he didn't rejoin after your server went down last night
[20:30] <rhpot1991> I think there might have been a hiccup somewhere over the weekend, my bip disconnected or something
[20:30] <tgm4883> yea last night
[20:30] <rhpot1991> he should automagically rejoin though
[20:30] <tgm4883> strange
[20:30] <rhpot1991> might be more from kicks than server disconnects
[20:31] <Penth> Perfetto!  I just saw Lyz on Tuesday; I should have mentioned I wsa planning a Myth box
[20:31] <rhpot1991> !status
[20:31] <Zinn> I am alive.
[20:31] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:31] <Zinn> I just learned: PhillyMythJam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <tgm4883> there we go
[20:32] <tgm4883> !Phi% | rhpot1991
[20:32] <Zinn> rhpot1991: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <orificium> rhpot1991: remember what that command line utility is?
[20:32] <tgm4883> @learn PhillyMythJam - Join the Ubuntu PA LoCo team on Oct 3rd for a Mythbuntu Mythbuntu Jam. Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:32] <rhpot1991> orificium: not really, I'd have to search, plus my VDPAU box is turned off till I get home from work
[20:32] <Zinn> I just learned: PhillyMythJam - Join the Ubuntu PA LoCo team on Oct 3rd for a Mythbuntu Mythbuntu Jam. Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/EventsTeam/PhillyMythJam2009
[20:33] <orificium> rhpot1991: I'm pretty sure my cpu usage goes way down when using VDPAU.  But unfortunately when the camera is panning or there is movement, there is alot of jitter
[20:33] <rhpot1991> orificium: try turnning on a lower deinterlacer, like bob?
[20:34] <orificium> rhpot1991: I wasn't using any deinterlacing at the timne. But I can try playing wtih the settings some more.
[20:34] <rhpot1991> I'd do that
[20:34] <rhpot1991> what nvidia version are you running?
[20:34] <rhpot1991> I thought VDPAU wasn't supported till karmic, unless you used a 3rd party repo for the nvidia drivers
[20:34] <orificium> 180.44
[20:35] <orificium> That's the other thing I meant to try.  the latest beta drivers.
[20:35] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, it's supported in 0.22
[20:35] <rhpot1991> I think thats good, I've read 185.xx makes it even better
[20:35] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ya, but I thought there was an nvidia driver dependency as well
[20:36] <tgm4883> IIRC, just 180+
[20:36] <orificium> I think I had issues with my monitor using 185 and taht's why I stuck with 180
[20:36] <tgm4883> orificium, ok, the us repo should be working now
[20:36] <tgm4883> kinda
[20:36] <orificium> retarded scaling issues
[20:36] <orificium> tgm4883: hah, I just did dpkg-reconfigure on mythbunturepos and set it to PPA:)
[20:36] <orificium> shuold I stick with US instead?
[20:36] <tgm4883> no that should be fine
[20:37] <orificium> What is PPA?
[20:37] <tgm4883> either is fine
[20:37] <orificium> can someone exlpain that :)
[20:37] <tgm4883> PPA is where the packages are built for us. it's a Personal Package Archive that canonical provides
[20:37] <tgm4883> It's available to all launchpad users
[20:38] <orificium> one of these days I need to look aruond on launchpad and try to understand how to navgiate it.  It seems very overwhelming
[20:38] <rhpot1991> mishehu: let us know how that hvr2250 works out, sounds like a good card
[20:39] <orificium> NVIDIA X Server Settings shows my GRaphics Processor as "nForce 750a SLI".  I think this is the only integrated GPU that was like this.
[20:47] <orificium_> I could try adding this TripleBuffer option to xorg
[20:47] <orificium_> and the no-composite
[20:47] <orificium_> Can someone describe "tearing"?
[20:47] <orificium_> I see that lot, but I'm not sure what it looks like
[20:49] <mishehu> rhpot1991: if I could even get the damn machine to show me something other than kludge when X is launched, I would :-)
[20:49] <Zinn> mishehu: Please watch your language.
[20:49] <mishehu> zinn a bot?
[20:49] <orificium_> Yeah, apparently d*mn is too far :)
[20:50] <mishehu> d*mn, I can't fscking swear here *grin*  (don't kick me bot, I say I say it's a joke, son)
[20:50] <mishehu> anyway I bet that I'm having typical fglrx woes.
[20:50]  * mishehu frowns.
[20:52] <orificium_> Is 22080 latest trunk revision?
[20:53] <orificium_> well, in the weeklybuilds I guess
[20:55] <mishehu> what's the name of the amd video drivers when using apt-get?
[20:55] <mishehu> it's not sticking out at me in the list of packages.
[20:55] <mishehu> I wanted to try updating it to see if I can magically get video again when in X.
[20:56] <orificium_> xserver-xorg-video-amd ?
[20:57] <mishehu> orificium_: thought it was named something else because I'm guessing it's the fglrx closed-source drivers...  I'll look down there and see if it's under xserver-xorg-video
[20:57] <orificium_> I think there is a xerver-xorg-video-radeon too
[20:58] <orificium_> I don't know much about using ATI/AMD in linux.  Don't want to mislead you :)
[20:58] <orificium_> oh I see a fglrx-amdcccle too
[20:58] <orificium_> IS it a r5xx,r6xx or r7xx?
[20:59] <mishehu> sec
[20:59] <mishehu> it's one of the onboards
[21:00] <mishehu> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
[21:01] <quentusrex> Alright, I'm having a few issues...  How do I record a show that goes over its timeslot?
[21:02] <mishehu> quentusrex: you following me here too??
[21:02] <orificium_> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&product=2.7.4.3.3.3.1&lang=English
[21:02] <mishehu> between you and that Essobi character...
[21:02] <tgm4883> quentusrex, tell it to download longer in the schedule?
[21:02] <orificium_> mishehu: you can download latest driver from there
[21:03] <quentusrex> also, how do I clear the tv listings from the database?
[21:03] <mishehu> orificium_: yeah, was trying to use whatever mythtbuntu has, so as to not mess up with the package management.  at least back in 8.04 there was a specific package for that.
[21:03] <quentusrex> I changed the channel line up at schedules direct
[21:03] <mishehu> quentusrex: DROP DATABASE ;-)
[21:03] <quentusrex> :(
[21:03] <tgm4883> mishehu, dont tell people to do bad things
[21:03] <tgm4883> I'd hate to ban you
[21:03] <quentusrex> lol
[21:03] <mishehu> tgm4883: it's ok, quentusrex knows me
[21:04] <tgm4883> well that isn't entirely true
[21:04] <quentusrex> I know mishehu from another channel
[21:04] <mishehu> quentusrex: liar, you know me in person too
[21:04] <tgm4883> I haven't banned anyone in awhile, i'm getting an itchy trigger finger
[21:04] <mishehu> and so does that Essobi character.
[21:04] <mishehu> tgm4883: if you like, I can have another client connect in, then have it say some naughty words and you can ban it...
[21:04]  * mishehu grins.
[21:05] <quentusrex> lol
[21:05] <mishehu> just trying to help out with those itchy fingers!
[21:05] <rhpot1991> still gotta be careful, this channel is logged and someone might read it for help later
[21:06] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I'll put the </just kidding> tags next time
[21:06] <mishehu> that way anbody looking at a log will see it's not serious.
[21:06] <mishehu> anyway, that IS what I have done in the past when the database got all screwed up...
[21:07] <orificium_> quentusrex: I usuaslly configure mythtv to record an extra 30 seconds befiore and after a show
[21:07] <mishehu> but it was REALLY screwed up, and that was back prior to 0.18 even
[21:07] <orificium_> quentusrex: in case it goes on early/late
[21:07] <rhpot1991> issue there is you overlap tuners
[21:08] <rhpot1991> I normally record some things, and if something always goes early/late, I adjust
[21:08] <rhpot1991> I do have one issue now though, community records for a few secods in the end of the office, and then when I cut to the next recording I miss a few seconds
[21:08] <orificium_> rhpot1991: I know I had issues with it in the past, but I'm onl yusing 1 tuner so far haven't seen any problems
[21:09]  * orificium_ lost my pwoer adapter for my hdhomerun :(
[21:09] <quentusrex> orificium_: the game I was trying to record went 15 minutes late...
[21:09] <orificium_> quentusrex: oh yeah, sports games are probably gonna be an issue
[21:09]  * Penth is thinking about ust using an HDHomeRun and http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0291885 to set up the living room Myth box. Opinions?
[21:09] <orificium_> quentusrex: might want to just schedule recording wahtever is after it
[21:10] <mishehu> quentusrex: you know, I've always toyed around with the idea of somehow doing some sort of functions for mythtv in freeswitch
[21:10] <rhpot1991> orificium_: careful what you plug into that
[21:10] <orificium_> Penth: I love the hdhomerun.  Except that I had issues with the backend starting before the network did. and therefore hdhomerun wouldn't connect so I had to restart backend if I ever restarted my box.
[21:10] <rhpot1991> someone else around here plugged something else in that fit it, and fried the board on it
[21:11] <rhpot1991> Penth: HDHR is highly recommended around here
[21:11] <orificium_> rhpot1991: I haven't tried to plug anything into. I always check voltage and milliamps.  I'm gonan order one from silocondust for like $15
[21:11] <rhpot1991> for a video card I would only get something that does VDPAU anymore: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[21:11] <rhpot1991> orificium_: ya just saying to be careful, its a $80 mistake otherwise
[21:11] <mishehu> quentusrex: but I could never think of WHAT to integrate.
[21:11] <orificium_> You noly paid $80 for yours? :)
[21:11] <orificium_> *only
[21:12] <orificium_> or were those the repair costs
[21:12] <rhpot1991> orificium_: no, thats the repair cost for them
[21:12] <orificium_> Oh yeah, anyone looking to purchase the hdhomerun, and you acn wait. there are usualyl deals that pop up every so often.
[21:13] <rhpot1991> ~150 is the going rate, which is good
[21:13] <orificium_> I think snagged mine from newegg for 130
[21:14] <orificium_> Oh and black friday is coming up :)
[21:14] <Penth> well, seems the easiest thing to test, and the box itself is just going to be an old P4 (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=316713&lang=en&cc=us) and hooking it up via s-video to a 24" analog screen
[21:15] <rhpot1991> not sure thats a black friday deal
[21:15] <rhpot1991> seems to specific
[21:15] <Penth> MicroCenter has the Homerun for 140
[21:15] <rhpot1991> Penth: do you need a HD tuner then?
[21:15] <rhpot1991> if its an analog display?
[21:17] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, cough, digital tuner cough
[21:17] <Penth> Mostly looking for a good DVB-T Tuner, but if I'm going to record Dollhouse it's worth an extra $20-30 for me to go HD
[21:18] <orificium_> Penth: What country are you in?
[21:18] <Penth> US; Philly to be exact
[21:18] <rhpot1991> isnt' dvb-t a europe thing?
[21:18] <orificium_> Penth: oh that's exactly where I'm at.  Old City.
[21:18] <orificium_> Yeah, was gonan say
[21:19] <orificium_> DVB-T is terrestial in other countries
[21:19] <orificium_> Penth: You would use either QAM or NTSC or ATSC
[21:19] <orificium_> Penth: I take the local HD stations right off the Comcast cable lines (thanks FCC) using a QAM tuner
[21:20] <rhpot1991> I think you want qam or atsc
[21:20] <orificium_> HDHomerun does QAM and ATSC
[21:20] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:20] <Penth> ah - I thought it was an over-the-air vs cable vs satellite distinction within NTSC
[21:20] <orificium_> Not sure about satellite
[21:20]  * Penth doesn't have cable of any kind, just DSL
[21:21] <rhpot1991> you can't do much with satellite in the us
[21:21] <orificium_> But usually if you want to record encrypted cahnnels on pay services, you have to re-encode and hook up to the STP
[21:21] <orificium_> STB
[21:21] <rhpot1991> just gotta have a stb and capture from whatever holes it has
[21:21] <mishehu> *sqwak* reboot reboot reinstall! *whistle*
[21:21] <mishehu> here's goes attempt #2
[21:21] <orificium_> Penth: Even if you don't subscribe to Comcast, there should be lines running into your house.  Test em out.
[21:22] <tgm4883> my cable company encrypts their local HD channels, no clear QAM for me
[21:22] <rhpot1991> with comcast you should get your locals over clear qam
[21:22] <orificium_> tgm4883: whos' your local cable company?
[21:22] <mishehu> I'm just going to see how it works with the open source drivers.  I imagine that the hdmi doesn't require special video drivers to operate (and not that I have anything to hook it up to yet either)
[21:22] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: illegals, you call and threaten them?
[21:22] <tgm4883> yea I did
[21:22] <tgm4883> some local company. wbcable.net
[21:22] <rhpot1991> prob didn't have any idea what you were talking about
[21:22] <orificium_> I'm pretty sure it's an FCC regulation
[21:22] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: should report them to the FCC
[21:22] <tgm4883> yea I should
[21:23] <mishehu> tgm4883: did you write the FCC?
[21:23] <mishehu> I would
[21:23] <tgm4883> instead I canceled cable, bought an $80 antenna and now get the channels for free
[21:23] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: try to find some executive emails for them, contact them and CC the FCC on it
[21:23] <rhpot1991> heh, well then its prob not worth your time, but you should still report them
[21:23] <mishehu> I also dropped comcast after they told me that I can't get anything but OTA channels on the firewire because I might record something and keep it forever.
[21:23] <orificium_> mishehu: use the open source drivers and then use the "Hardware Drivers" dialog once you're in XFCE to see if ATI prorpietary is available
[21:23] <tgm4883> guy kept telling me I needed a box because TV's only can tune up to ch 125 and there HD channels are in the 700's
[21:23] <rhpot1991> mishehu: hah, anyone I've ever talked to at comcast didn't know that firewire wasn't usb
[21:24] <tgm4883> i kept telling him my tuner can see the channels, just can't tune them
[21:24] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: classy, thats when you ask to speak to a tech or someone who knows the technology and just not how to read from a screen
[21:24] <tgm4883> and they got very upset when I called them encrypted
[21:24] <orificium_> I only wish I cuold get SciFi, Discovery, and FX via QAM :(
[21:24] <mishehu> orificium_: it's using the most up-to-date fglrx at the moment, so I know that's no good.
[21:25] <mishehu> most up-ot-date for my hardware that is.
[21:25] <rhpot1991> orificium_: I get them (not FX) via firewire
[21:25] <mishehu> since I've got legacy nowadays.
[21:25] <Penth> (Last time I wrote to the FCC it was over Verizon and TW dropping all the alt.* newsgroups. Three months later I got a nice form letter telling me to complain to Verizon, as if I hadn't done so in three different media..
[21:25] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Comcast?
[21:25] <orificium_> rhpot1991: The DCT 6100 right?
[21:25] <rhpot1991> orificium_: yes, in harrisburg
[21:25] <rhpot1991> 3200
[21:25] <orificium_> er yeah, 3200
[21:26] <mishehu> rhpot1991: it was my lucky day I suppose.  I told him "fsck you, my parents kept all their vhs tapes from the 1980s.  didn't hurt your business."
[21:26] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Get a lot of other unencrypted?
[21:26] <rhpot1991> orificium_ almost all my HD, FX is one of the few I've hit that I don't
[21:27] <orificium_> I've thought about subscribing to basic digital cable.  But that's what torrents are for :X
[21:27] <mishehu> rhpot1991: nowadays I'm going to see if there's anything at all worthwhile to grab off of the airwaves...  I don't want to spend $70/month and have to do digital-to-analog-to-digital conversions all the time.
[21:27] <rhpot1991> that said, firewire is flaky, sometimes it dies and takes down my backend till I notice and bring it back up
[21:27] <orificium_> rhpot1991: No It's Always Sunny for you :)
[21:27] <rhpot1991> I do almost all of my stuff from my HDHR
[21:28] <rhpot1991> discovery, usa, espn are the ones I worry about for firewire
[21:28] <rhpot1991> I did fx when the shield was on, but that wasn't HD so my pvr-350 handled that fine
[21:28] <mishehu> I had problems with firewire spb2 (hard drives) on the standard kernel 1394 stack.  ever since I moved off to the new 1394 stack, I have no issues.  unfortunately I don't think anything in myth will support devices using the newer stack.
[21:28]  * orificium_ is wondering when they're going start cracking down on tv torrents. Hopes its never. :)
[21:29] <mishehu> orificium_: cue princess leia and grand moff tarkin
[21:29] <mishehu> something about the tighter they grip...
[21:30]  * Penth jsut wants to turn her computer back into her computer, instead of it being the Hulu machine
[21:34] <Penth> How well does MythTV work as a front end for vodcasts and torrents, btw?
[21:35] <orificium_> Penth: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNettv might be an option for that
[21:35] <orificium_> I haven't realy played with it yet
[21:36] <tgm4883> mythnettv support is going away for 9.10
[21:36] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge
[21:36] <tgm4883> in favor of miro support
[21:36] <rhpot1991> ^ use that in 9.10
[21:36] <orificium_> As far as I can tell, it doesn't really do what I'd want it to with torrents.  If only torrentocracy still was around :)
[21:36] <Penth> Yay. I wasn't going to say Miro, but that's just... Yay
[21:37] <rhpot1991> orificium_: its easy enough, have your torrents dump into a directory that mythvideo uses, and just run the tool to rescan that
[21:37] <rhpot1991> I think miro has torrent support in some capacity
[21:37] <Penth> And Miro has torrent support built in
[21:37] <mishehu> orificium_: oooh wow, there's been some good progress on the radeon open source driver...  probably won't need to muck around with that fgrlx mess again
[21:38] <orificium_> Yeah, AMD released a lot of docs in recent years
[21:38] <orificium_> mishehu: Not sure how well 2d acceleration is gonna work though
[21:39] <mishehu> orificium_: from what I understand it was always the 2D that was easily supported.
[21:39] <rhpot1991> nothing like VDPAU from amd/ati yet though
[21:39] <mishehu> it was the 3d that was what they weren't quick to release.
[21:39] <rhpot1991> and now you want video rendering to happen on the card
[21:39] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I know vdpau is nvidia, but what does it do exactly again?
[21:39] <orificium_> rhpot1991: Yeah I use utorrent + rss but it would be nice to manage an RSS feed from wtihin Mythfrontend
[21:40] <rhpot1991> mishehu: you offload the video rendering to the gpu
[21:40] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea there is
[21:40] <mishehu> rhpot1991: ati cards have had some hardware opts for years.
[21:40] <mishehu> I don't know how they compare to what nvidia has
[21:40] <rhpot1991> maybe I'm wrong there
[21:40] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Bitstream_Acceleration
[21:41] <mishehu> in fact, the ati rage already had some yuv hardware opts (although not full mpeg opts)
[21:41] <rhpot1991> As of September 2009, no publicly available driver supports XvBA.
[21:41] <mishehu> what's XvBA?
[21:41] <rhpot1991> ati's version of vdpau
[21:42] <mishehu> man the headache is coming on...  too many hours left of no eating :-/
[21:42] <mishehu> rhpot1991: ah ok.
[21:42] <Penth> Any opinions on the EVGA or Sparkle GeForce 8400GS PCI cards?
[21:43] <mishehu> sorry, no, I dont' work much with nvidia
[21:43] <mishehu> though I do have an ION board here to load up after the one I'm wokring on right now.
[21:43] <rhpot1991> Penth: google them and make sure they work with VDPAU, will be more useful to you in the future
[21:44] <orificium_> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU - lists all supported cards
[21:45]  * Penth just may be heading back to MicroCenter before supper. 
[21:45] <mishehu> so vdpau is used, for example, when you are using a codec that your card doesn't already have dedicated circuitry to handle?
[21:45] <orificium_> Penth: Where is there a microcenter near philly?
[21:45] <Penth> I checked the list; that7s why I'm asking about those two cards.
[21:46] <Penth> MicroCenter is on Lancaster Pike in St. Davids, just above Villanova and 476
[21:46] <mishehu> I'm not a happy camper right now, even with the open source drivers, myth-setup.real launches from the install process and presents me with...   a black background and a white border where a window should be...
[21:46] <orificium_> Hm, so there is
[21:46] <rhpot1991> Penth: best bets, are to search the mailing list, or ask in #mythtv-users, finding people who use those cards is normally the best bet
[21:46] <orificium_> That's cool since CompUSA has gone there isn't really a PC superstore around her eany more
[21:48] <mishehu> orificium_: too bad you guys dont' have a fry's around you
[21:48] <Penth> I just got a 1tb Samsung green series drive there this morning for $75. Lots of fun; the power had been knocked out to the pike and the buildings on both sides, so I had to be led around with a flashlight.
[21:48]  * Penth misses Fry's
[21:48] <orificium_> I think CostCo is a ways off too
[21:49] <orificium_> Most Sams and BJs
[21:49] <mishehu> I used to live in walking distance from Fry's...  now I have to drive 25 minutes each way
[21:49] <Penth> When I saw that the MicroCenter in King of Prussia was gone, I thought the chain had disappeared for good.
[21:49] <Penth> mishehu: in Sunnyvale?
[21:50] <mishehu> Penth: austin
[21:51] <mishehu> superm1: you around?  I'm having this problem with 9.04, and I just downloaded the images like two or three days ago from the main site...   https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/355911
[21:51] <mishehu> and since you're the only mario on this project I figured that you're the one who commented on that bug
[21:52] <orificium_> 120GB SATA solid-state for $320.  Eh I think I'll wait for 1gb/$1
[21:52] <mishehu> orificium_: I think I'll wait for that to come down a LOT more than that even :-)
[21:53] <rhpot1991> mishehu: he is away now, check back tonight/tomorrow
[21:53] <mishehu> rhpot1991: I figured he was away :-/
[21:53] <orificium_> mishehu: Yeah, 500GB are going for $100 or less
[21:55] <mishehu> if I can't get this 9.04 to install, I might consider 9.10a6, depending on how much of a work-in-progress 9.10a6 is...
[22:09] <orificium_> mishehu: Isn't 9.04 out of beta?  I saw in your bug details it says you're using 9.04 beta
[22:19] <tgm4883> 9.10 beta comes out thursday
[22:23] <JEDIDIAH__> vdpau? use the 190 version of the nvidia driver.
[22:24] <JEDIDIAH__> if your video isn't accelerated, check your config or complain to adobe.
[22:24] <JEDIDIAH__> '-)
[22:28] <mishehu> orificium_: I've got the 9.04 official release, as downloaded from the main mythbuntu site
[22:29] <mishehu> that guy's bug report was filed back around april
[22:30] <mishehu> I was also prompted by synaptic to download and install about 160 mb of updates
[22:30] <orificium_> JEDIDIAH__: Why does Adobe get the blame?
[22:40] <JEDIDIAH__> flash
[22:41] <orificium_> JEDIDIAH__: flash affects how VDPAU was implemented?
[22:42] <JEDIDIAH__> flash doesn't use hw acceleration
[22:45] <mishehu> flash is crap
[22:45] <JEDIDIAH__> it qualifies as "some codec that doesn't have support built into the videocard"
[22:45] <JEDIDIAH__> ...it's the most likely variant of that infact.