[00:04] <peol> Hm, it seems that VLC in the repo relies on older versions of the libavutil (.so.49) and libx264 (.so.67)
[00:05] <peol> My own fault I guess :)
[00:10] <tilgovi> can any automake wizard tell me why this doesn't work: http://friendpaste.com/53vuWdxjX0LZlpvqqKYMZl ??
[00:10] <tilgovi> sorry, that's http://friendpaste.com/53vuWdxjX0LZlpvqqKYMZI
[00:11] <tilgovi> ohhh, nvmind
[00:11] <tilgovi> Gotta put it in configure.in
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> peol: theres a vlc ppa
[00:14] <peol> ActionParsnip: Yeah, it seems it was my Songbird nightly repos that upgraded the libavutil package, which broke vlc's dependency
[00:14] <peol> It's working now
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[00:16] <aboSamoor> Hi, can anyone help me to report this bug to Network Manager ?
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[00:20] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: it is not about running ubuntu-bug nothing crashed, I want help to describe the problem
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: use real simple language to keep it clear
[00:29] <CydeSwype> have a bit of a n00b question, but exactly where on launchpad is the best place to see all karmic bugs reported?  i'm wondering what the status of compiz is and whether i should be reporting the issue i'm seeing
[00:33] <peol> Does anyone have any idea why my theme doesn't apply when I login to my desktop, when I go to System->Preferences->Appearance it gets applied instantly, but not when logging in
[00:34] <peol> .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/m1b5bd11c
[00:34] <CydeSwype> peol: not sure.  my theme applies correctly.  is it reverting to the default theme/background on login?
[00:35] <peol> The title bars gets applied, but nothing else. The rest is gray (not the Human default theme)
[00:35] <peol> I would debug it myself but I've no idea where to start
[00:36] <aboSamoor> if you can check bug 430551 for any missing logs.
[00:37] <CydeSwype> peol: are you running compiz or metacity?
[00:37] <CydeSwype> first thing i usually have to do on boot is kill off compiz
[00:37] <obolisk27> Hi, I'm having peoblems with the audio output on my Dell XPS laptop running Ubuntu Karmic. The sound quality is AWFUL unless the volume is really low. Works 100% perfectly in Windows.
[00:38] <CydeSwype> obolisk27, can you describe what the audio is doing?
[00:38] <peol> CydeSwype: Compiz, but it's working and not crashing. The odd thing of it all is that it automatically applies the theme when I go into Appearance, no idea what it triggers
[00:38] <CydeSwype> crackling...
[00:38] <obolisk27> It gets staticy. But I can still hear words, etc. It sounds really bad...
[00:38] <obolisk27> Crackling too.
[00:39] <CydeSwype> peol, when appearance first loads up, i do think it does a reset (the same way it does a live change when you click a new background/theme) so that part makes sense to me (fixing it on loading appearance) but not the initial issue
[00:39] <peol> CydeSwype: It seems it doesn't apply all my settings either, the mouse is really responsive compared to my own settings (which also gets applied when going into Appearance)
[00:39] <obolisk27> I can get you guys the lshw output... sec.
[00:39] <CydeSwype> i'd open a bug and pop appearance into the startup programs as a workaround
[00:40] <obolisk27> How do I output a command to a file?
[00:40] <CydeSwype> foo > bar.txt
[00:40] <obolisk27> thx
[00:40] <peol> CydeSwype: I would, but I've no idea what package it might be that causes it. Is there any obscure log files anywhere I can check?
[00:41] <CydeSwype> i've seen a lot of audio issues coming across launchpad/updates but haven't had any issues myself (i'm on a dell latitude d820)
[00:41] <obolisk27> http://pastebay.com/57860
[00:41] <obolisk27> Inspiron XPS Gen2.
[00:41] <CydeSwype> peol: not sure.  that's beyond me.  you can still log a bug and someone will ask for the right log file
[00:42] <obolisk27> The sound quality is SO bad that I actually have to go on IRC to get it fixed :/
[00:42] <obolisk27> Sound improves at lower volumes
[00:42] <obolisk27> But it can sound perfect at high volumes on windows
[00:43] <CydeSwype> obolisk27, you're not running an alpha of windows  ;^)
[00:43] <obolisk27> No, but Windows XP is ancient.
[00:43] <obolisk27> Should've been fixed in Ubuntu by now
[00:44] <CydeSwype> are you running karmic obolisk27?
[00:44] <obolisk27> Yes.
[00:44] <thiebaude> wow, 9.10 beta this thursday already
[00:44] <obolisk27> Alpha 6
[00:44] <CydeSwype> have you run jaunty or previous versions and was audio an issue then?
[00:45] <pwnguin> thiebaude: "already?" karmic's scheduled for release in like 30 day
[00:45] <obolisk27> I never tried Ubuntu before. My friend installed it for me because I couldn't figure it out
[00:45] <pwnguin> s
[00:45] <thiebaude> pwnguin, yep, i know
[00:45] <obolisk27> I'm a Windows user.
[00:45] <thiebaude> compiz is awesome
[00:45] <obolisk27> I like Ubuntu, but I want it to just work like Windows does on every machine I use.
[00:45] <CydeSwype> obolisk27, welcome to ubuntu, but i'd advocate installing jaunty for a new user
[00:46] <CydeSwype> if you're getting a first impression of a new OS, it's only fair to play with a stable build
[00:46] <obolisk27> My friend said something about an Alpha release and it would be better than Jaunty when the Beta comes out
[00:46] <thiebaude> obolisk27, its still being developed
[00:46] <CydeSwype> in ubuntu land, alpha really means alpha, and there's bound to be issues pre-release.  audio would likely work by release day
[00:46] <obolisk27> Any ideas on how I can fix my audio?
[00:47] <obolisk27> I like the new look in Karmic too... I've seen what Jaunty looks like.
[00:47] <CydeSwype> obolisk27, karmic does have some very cool features, but the upgrade from jaunty to karmic should be pretty easy.  audio simply may not work for your sound card at the moment as ubuntu is moving to the newest release and big changes cause regression
[00:48] <obolisk27> Are there any drivers I can install from Dell? That's how I fixed everything in Windows
[00:49] <thiebaude> obolisk27, what sound card do you have?
[00:49] <obolisk27> not sure... I uploaded lshw output to pastebay
[00:49] <obolisk27> http://pastebay.com/57860
[00:50] <h00k_> so, if I'm running the latest alpha and I don't have libstdc++5 in the repository (replaced by libstdc++6) and a program requires libstdc++5, whats the recommended path of action?
[00:50] <obolisk27> I think he said he installed all the updates I needed when he installed the OS on my laptop... so I should have the latest drivers, right?
[00:51] <ChogyDan1> h00k_: I think you gota update the package
[00:53] <obolisk27> Oh, before I forget, what Anti-Virus software should I use?
[00:54] <h00k_> ChogyDan1: the problem is -- its not a package I can update.
[00:54] <ChogyDan1> h00k_: what is it?
[00:55] <aprilhare> does anyone have the problem where the firefox 3.5.3 search bar doesn't work?
[00:55] <h00k_> ChogyDan1: its Americas Army 2.5/0
[00:55] <h00k_> .0
[00:55] <obolisk27> aprilhare: Sometimes, but it seems to be random.
[00:56] <aprilhare> when i installed, i didn't think it was quite this buggy :) it even didn't autoboot into X11 today. had to ctrl-alt f7 my way into X11
[00:56] <ChogyDan1> h00k_: wait, is it linux or wine?
[00:56] <h00k_> ChogyDan1: linux.
[00:57] <h00k_> ChogyDan1: there exists a linux version
[00:59] <h00k_> so, I wasn't sure where to go about getting libstdc++5 packages
[00:59] <ChogyDan1> h00k_: well, it looks like support is over, so I don't know.  Someone would need to change it somehow I suppose
[01:01] <obolisk27> anyone know what I should do to fix my audio? :(
[01:01] <ChogyDan1> h00k_: maybe you could just use the package from jaunty
[01:01] <h00k_> perhaps I'll symlink them and give it a shot
[01:02] <h00k_> yeah, symlink is a no-go
[01:03] <h00k_> ChogyDan1: getting the deb.
[01:04] <h00k_> heh, there we go.
[01:05] <obolisk27> ehh... seems like I'm being ignored
[01:10] <Rashko> hi all
[01:10] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, hi
[01:10] <Rashko> i need some help please
[01:10] <Rashko> how to enable more than 4 serial ports ubuntu 8.04
[01:13] <ChogyDan1> obolisk27: probably the best that can be done is to web search your sound card, and see if someone has a workaround.  But you may have to wait for release before you know it's a real problem.  BTW, you will get ignored if noone knows the answer
[01:15] <obolisk27> Sigh... guess nobody is gonna be able to solve my problem :(
[01:16] <obolisk27> My sound quality crackles A LOT... :/
[01:17] <test34> Should libsdl1.2debian-alsa be replaced with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio? It fixes my problems with pulseaudio (with a quake base game)
[01:18] <test34> obolisk27, does it happen only when multiple applications play sounds?
[01:18] <obolisk27> No... 24/7
[01:18] <obolisk27> Dell XPS Gen2
[01:19] <obolisk27> Terrible crackling no matter what I do.
[01:19] <obolisk27> Can barely understand voices... low frequency notes seem fine.
[01:19] <test34> I did have some crakling before replacing libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, and after a while the sound even completly stop working
[01:20] <hanshenrik> where is the software-sources list?
[01:20] <test34> maybe not the same problem but it might still be worth a try
[01:20] <habanany> I want karmic in usb persistent, help!
[01:21] <obolisk27> I have no idea how to even do that :/
[01:21] <test34> do you have the universe repository enabled?
[01:24] <nemo> $ uptime
[01:24] <nemo>  20:24:41 up 6 days, 37 min,  4 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.24
[01:25] <nemo> I've been clearly slacking on my reboots
[01:25] <nemo> time for another one :)
[01:28] <edgy> Hi, when a .deb has dfsg what does this means?
[01:32] <durt> http://www.debian.org/social_contract
[01:34] <pwnguin> edgy: it means it's been changed from upstream to comply with the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)
[01:52] <mbeierl> Latest updates break GDM nvidia login for anyone else?  Boot just rapidly flashes the text console - no more boot splash - and stays flashing repeatedly (quickly too) at tty1, no GDM
[01:55] <nemo> mbeierl: I had that
[01:55] <nemo> mbeierl: for like 2 minutes
[01:55] <nemo> or 3
[01:55] <nemo> then it booted
[01:55] <nemo> and life went on
[01:55] <nemo> I was thinking it was maybe a slow compilation of the nvidia kernel module
[01:56] <nemo> but. yeah. just finished with flickering thing like a couple of minutes ago
[01:57] <edgy> pwnguin: from upstream here menas ubuntu people?
[01:59] <edgy> s/menas/means
[01:59] <edgy> durt: still it's not clear
[02:06] <mbeierl> nemo, thanks - gonna try a reboot and go into the new kernel again and leave it this time...
[02:07] <pwnguin> edgy: upstream means the original project
[02:23] <KnifeySpooney> Does anyone else have icons under the System menu?
[02:23] <KnifeySpooney> it's all blank unless I go to Preferences or Administration
[02:23] <drs305> KnifeySpooney: This was a developer's change.
[02:24] <KnifeySpooney> drs305: Is this on purpose or are they going to add it later?
[02:24] <drs305> It was on purpose to present a cleaner look from what I've read.
[02:24] <drs305> You find the way to restore them?
[02:24] <KnifeySpooney> No, is there a way? I prefer there being icons
[02:25] <drs305> gconftool-2 --set --type bool /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icon 'true'
[02:25] <drs305> That was for the menus I think. For the buttons: System, Preferences, Appearance: Interface > Show icons in menu.
[02:25] <drs305> It could be vice versa.
[02:26] <drs305> It think it's the reverse, but do both and you will have the icons back.
[02:26] <KnifeySpooney> Ah i see
[02:26] <KnifeySpooney> that fixed it :D
[02:26] <KnifeySpooney> thanks
[02:26] <KnifeySpooney> What did the first one do?
[02:27] <drs305> Some of the apps buttons I think didn't have the icons either.
[02:27] <KnifeySpooney> oh
[02:27] <KnifeySpooney> looks perfect now
[02:28] <drs305> From gconf-editor: "Whether buttons may display an icon in addition to the button text."
[02:37] <tntc> Anyone familiar with the evtouch driver?  I'm having an issue getting right click to work.  Tap and a half doesn't do anything, nor does longtouch, but hal-device reports that the xorg options are set.
[02:38] <tntc> My touchscreen is an Ideacom IDC 6680
[02:40] <pwnguin> i thought hal was dead
[02:40] <tntc> well, it sure seems like it's not doing any good if it's still alive :)
[02:40] <tntc> but if that's the case, how do I configure this touchscreen?
[02:40] <tntc> xorg.conf?
[02:40] <pwnguin> devicekit?
[02:40] <tntc> udev rules?
[02:40] <tntc> oh.
[02:41] <pwnguin> i donno
[02:41] <pwnguin> i use xorg.conf for my wacom
[02:41] <tntc> on 9.10?
[02:41] <pwnguin> all this running around in autodetection circles
[02:41] <pwnguin> yea
[02:42] <pwnguin> does that make me evil?
[02:43] <tntc> dunno. maybe.
[02:43] <pwnguin> its a gordian not someone else can untie
[02:43] <pwnguin> knot
[02:43] <tntc> well, let me ask you this: did you set up a full xorg.conf, or just a section for that device? how'd you make that xorg.conf?
[02:44] <pwnguin> i made it a long long time ago
[02:44] <pwnguin> from before wacom even had autodetect
[02:45] <tntc> and it's running in 9.10?
[02:45] <pwnguin> yes
[02:45] <tntc> nice
[02:45] <pwnguin> dist-upgrade does work
[02:45] <pwnguin> it's a full conf, because nvidia isn't autodetected and I dont care to break what works
[02:48] <tntc> well, thanks pwnguin
[03:14] <carpediem> I upgraded to Karmic today.  The GDM screen is very plain, nothing like the screenshots I see online.  Any ideas why?
[03:17] <XDevHald> Might be because the user did some modifications (heavy) modifications.
[03:17] <carpediem> to gdm?  I was using the standard Jaunty GDM theme when I upgraded.
[03:19] <KnifeySpooney> Is anyone else getting corrupt images from bootchart on karmic?
[03:19] <KnifeySpooney> I purged bootchart then reinstalled and the images still don't seem to work
[03:22] <ChogyDan> KnifeySpooney: I got a good chart at alpha6
[03:38] <mythomaniac> i just installed ubuntu 9.10 and the only thing i have experienced, as a bug, is that i have sound in console, but not in X. specifically i'm using xorg with awesome, from a command line install.. anyway this can be resolved?
[03:38] <sageNsand> I got a blue Universal Access (Assistive Technologies)icon in the notification area. Did I accidently put it up there or is that part of a update? If I click it there are 5 options. There is no tool tip and no popup when I RMB on it so I can't remove it. When I disable it in Start Up Applications it still appears. Anyone have that same icon
[03:56]  * ripps is mentally preparing himself for the deluge of beta users that'll be swarming here soon
[03:58] <test34> ripps, why?
[03:59] <ripps> test34: usually, it tends to be answering the same question to noobs, over and over again
[04:00] <durt> ripps, why?
[04:00] <test34> when is it turning beta?
[04:01] <ripps> test34: October 1
[04:03] <dragon> Any thoughts on upgrading a semi-production machine to karmic on Oct 1?
[04:04] <test34> dragon, read topic
[04:04] <ripps> dragon: iffy... make sure to do a thorough test with a livecd first. But in general, it's recommended not to upgrade on a production machine.
[04:05] <dragon> test34: That helps.
[04:06] <dragon> ripps: yeah that LiveCD idea makes sense. I'm getting a bit desperate because of Jaunty's graphics issues.
[04:06] <ripps> dragon: what hardware?
[04:06] <test34> dragon, whats a semi-production? like for 8am to 12pm?
[04:06] <ripps> has his term paper saved on it
[04:07] <dragon> ripps: amd64, i965 chipset
[04:07] <dragon> and yeah, it has a term paper :P
[04:07] <ripps> intel graphics? I think most of the intel issues were resolved this time.
[04:08] <ripps> easy to test with livecd
[04:09] <dragon> ripps: cool, I'll try a Live.. um.. USB :)
[04:09] <DanaG> Big tip: always have backups.
[04:09] <dragon> DanaG: definitely :)
[04:09] <ripps> I always have issues with liveusbs, kernel gets stuck in a loop looking for /dev/sr0
[04:11] <dragon> ripps: hm, maybe a bad sector causes that. I had that kind of kernel issue using an SD card - reported a bug.
[04:11] <dragon> anyways, I'll test before I upgrade
[04:11] <dragon> thanks ripps
[04:11] <dragon> test34: it's a bad assumption that everyone's an idiot. :)
[04:12] <dragon> gah idk why i'm typing :) so often
[04:12] <test34> dragon, well.. it was a strange question
[04:12] <dragon> maybe it's karmic's release date getting closer
[04:12] <dragon> anyways
[04:12] <test34> the problem I have is testing before I update (you would need 2 identical computers??)
[04:13] <ripps> I here Lucid is going to have 2 betas, hopefully that will help get more people to test
[04:13] <dragon> test34: testing with a LiveCD (or LiveUSB) would suffice I suppose
[04:14] <test34> dragon, updating from the point I'm at (I don't always do a fresh install)
[04:14] <ripps> dragon: I suppose the better question is, do you have the time to fix the system if things aren't upgraded correctly?
[04:14] <dragon> test34: that's a good point
[04:15] <dragon> ripps: good question. In my case, I have a spare machine and enough time to reinstall within a week or two.
[04:15] <dragon> It should work
[04:15] <dragon> But I'll try being patient.
[04:16] <dragon> see y'all later
[04:16] <test34> cya
[04:19] <habanany> is it possible karmic persistent in a usb ?
[04:20] <musikgoat> habanany: yes
[04:20] <musikgoat> create a USB start up disk in System -> Administration
[04:20] <mythomaniac> i just installed ubuntu 9.10 and the only thing i have experienced, as a bug, is that i have sound in console, but not in X. anyone know how i can get sound in x?
[04:21] <habanany> ok, i have win 7 , so ?
[04:21] <musikgoat> habanany: use unetbootin
[04:21] <musikgoat> habanany: i'm not for sure it has those options, but it should
[04:22] <test34> Sorry, USB Startup Disk Creator CLosed Unexpectedly
[04:22] <habanany> i'l try unebootin
[04:22] <mythomaniac> as a matter of fact i can ctrl+alt+f2 log in and be able to hear sound from youtube, but back to ctrl+alt+f7 and sound is dead
[04:24] <ripps> mythomaniac: that is the most bizarre thing I've heard recently
[04:24] <test34> yes very strange mythomaniac
[04:25] <mythomaniac> ripps, not really used to like that in janunty until recently
[04:25] <musikgoat> mythomaniac: sounds like pulseaudio problem, in my opinion
[04:25] <ripps> mythomaniac: have you filed a bug on it?
[04:25] <musikgoat> mythomaniac: well, not the way you describe it
[04:25] <ripps> doesn't flash use alsa though?
[04:25] <mythomaniac> ripps, i installed from command line version, and using awesomeWM
[04:26] <mythomaniac> ripps, i have alsa, plseaudio, and esound installed
[04:26] <ripps> mythomaniac: esound? I thought pulse replaced esound?
[04:26] <mythomaniac> i can bring up alsamixer in console, but not in x
[04:27] <ripps> mythomaniac: what about gaslamixer?
[04:27] <mythomaniac> ripps, in order to get sound in console, yeah i had to install esound
[04:27] <test34> try installing libsdl1.2debian-pulsaudio (that fixed my sound problems)
[04:28] <mythomaniac> test34, ok
[04:28] <test34> libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[04:28] <ripps> I've never used awesomeWM, does it have somekind sound subsystem for controling volume?
[04:32] <mythomaniac> ripps, no its just really light window manager... it only comes with very few gui option... its a tile wm
[04:33] <mythomaniac> ripps, the beauty of linux, traditionally, is that you can put things together to make the os part of linux match your taste...
[04:34] <DanaG> gamix is handy.
[04:34] <DanaG> hmm, sound not working on one vt... sounds like a consolekit thing?
[04:36] <mythomaniac> test34, that is a no go, doesn't help
[04:37] <test34> mythomaniac, you restarted the apps that use the sound card?
[04:37] <mythomaniac> test34, i restarted the whole system
[04:38] <test34> ok, sorry then.. must be a different problem
[04:39] <mythomaniac> also when i try and bring up alsamixer in X i get: alsamixer: funtion snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such file or directory
[04:40] <mythomaniac> but again it works perfect in console
[04:43] <DanaG> hmm, try aplay -l (lowercase)
[04:43] <DanaG> and aplay -L (capital)
[04:44] <mythomaniac> DanaG, the aplay -l states no soundcards found.. while aplay -L did nothing
[04:44] <DanaG> weird.
[04:45] <DanaG> I wonder if it's a permissions issue.
[04:45] <mythomaniac> DanaG, more then likely...
[04:45] <DanaG> what does 'ls -l /dev/snd/*' show under VT and under Xorg?
[04:48] <mythomaniac> DanaG, they seem to show the same, everything matches?
[04:52] <DKcross> hello people
[04:52] <DKcross> i have problems with usb
[04:52] <DKcross> with all usb device
[04:53] <DKcross> in karmic, i need insert the devices before start ubuntu
[04:55] <mythomaniac> DanaG, but what i get is crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 11, 7 (numbers descend for each /dev/* with last number being 2) 2009-09-28 /dev/snd/controlCO, /dev/sndpcmC0D0c, devsnd/pcmC0D0p. /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p, /dev/snd/seq, /dev/snd/timer; /dev/snd/by-path: total 0; lrwrxwrxwx 1 root root 12 2009-09-28 22:34 pci-0000:00:07.0 -> ../controlC0
[04:55] <DanaG> hmm, are you in the audio group?
[04:56] <mythomaniac> DanaG, i should be if i can listen to sound in console, no?
[04:56] <DanaG> yeah, most likely a consolekit or policykit thing?
[04:58] <mythomaniac> DanaG, but what is the command again to list groups a user is in? ;)
[04:58] <DanaG> "group"
[04:58] <DanaG> yeah, not plural.  oddd.
[05:00] <mythomaniac> DanaG, it states, no command 'group' found did you mean command 'groupd' from package 'cman (main) command 'groups' from package 'coreutils' main
[05:04] <mythomaniac> DanaG, strange thing is when i being up pulseaudio volume control up i can see the sound being played for each speaker, but i get no sound, when i play a youtube video
[05:04] <DanaG> hmm, that is really weird.  Is it "null" sink, or real output?
[05:04] <DanaG> dtchen might be able to provide some insight, also.
[05:07] <mythomaniac> DanaG, its says dummy output, show all output devices...
[05:07] <aprilhare> hey. i have booted into drop bear a couple of times now and except for the first time, i end up at a terminal display and not in X11. - to access X11, I find myself having to press ctrl-alt-F7 - is there a way to deal with this behaviour?
[05:07] <DanaG> ah, so yeah, something's screwed up.'
[05:07] <DanaG> waitaminute... besides "no such devices", did aplay -l give any "spew" (that is, errors)?
[05:08] <mythomaniac> DanaG, only thing i got from doing aplay -l was: aplay: device_list223: no soundcards found...
[05:09] <mythomaniac> err aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[05:09] <DanaG> Weird.  I'm not sure where to go from there.
[05:09] <DanaG> you could try to "strace" it, to see if it gets "permissinon denied".
[05:09] <DanaG> 2>&1 strace aplay -l >& strace.log
[05:10] <mythomaniac> DanaG, but in console i get my sound card listed from the command in play back and subdevice
[05:15] <mythomaniac> DanaG, give me a sec, i'll post the output to pastebin...
[05:20] <mythomaniac> DanaG, the url of the output can be found at http://pastebin.com/m468d16cb
[05:21] <DanaG> open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY)    = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[05:21] <DanaG> aah, exactly.
[05:21] <mythomaniac> DanaG, so good we are getting somewhere then ;)
[05:22] <DanaG>  futex(0x7fff1333d93c, 0x189 /* FUTEX_??? */, 1, NULL, 7fe2023796f0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:22] <Cynthia> What package(s) should I file a bug under, if "azureus" and "eclipse-jdt" are incompatible? The Java VM package I use, Azureus, Eclipse, or both, or all?
[05:22] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure what that is.
[05:22] <mythomaniac> DanaG, would you like to compare that with the output i get from console?
[05:23] <DanaG> no, should be same as before.  no cards.
[05:23] <mythomaniac> DanaG, how can i get sound in console then?
[05:23] <Cynthia> [If you want to reproduce this for yourself before I file, try installing 'azureus sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-doc sun-java6-source' on amd64, then 'eclipse-jdt']
[05:23] <DanaG> er, sorry
[05:23] <DanaG> I thought you meant "the console output"
[05:23] <DanaG> you mean the strace from under console.  ah.
[05:24] <mythomaniac> DanaG, yes ;)
[05:24] <mythomaniac> DanaG, would you want that too?
[05:24] <DanaG> sure.
[05:24] <mythomaniac> k
[05:27] <mythomaniac> DanaG, the url of the output from console can be found at http://pastebin.com/m7d7643b7
[05:28] <mythomaniac> DanaG, note it shows my soundcard ')
[05:28] <DanaG> yeah, and the futex still gives EAGAIN.
[05:28] <DanaG> so that one thin i is a red herring.
[05:29] <DanaG> but the EPERM is probably the cause.
[05:29] <DanaG> now ti fugure out WHY it's doing that.
[05:29] <DanaG> sorry, yping while not looking.
[05:29] <mythomaniac> DanaG, its ok, just remember we are getting somewhere now ;)
[05:29] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps file a bug?
[05:30] <DanaG> And include the strace output (as attachments with useful names).
[05:30] <mythomaniac> DanaG, hmmm i never filed a bug before :(
[05:31] <DanaG> I'm not sure what package you'd file it under.
[05:31] <DanaG> perhaps use "apport-symptoms" package to help.
[05:31] <mythomaniac> DanaG, what do you mean, is that a program?
[05:31] <DanaG> it's a package.
[05:32] <mythomaniac> ok ill install it
[05:33] <mythomaniac> DanaG, its a debugging  tool for crashes?
[05:33] <mythomaniac> hmmm...
[05:34] <DanaG> aah, looks like once you install the package, do "apport-cli -f"
[05:35] <DanaG> from command line.
[05:35] <mythomaniac> k
[05:35] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you don't already have a launchpad account, you'll need to create one.
[05:36] <mythomaniac> DanaG, ok i better do that now then ;)
[05:40] <DanaG> hmm, anyone know how to check how fragmented an ext4 volume is?
[05:42] <Cynthia> DanaG: an fsck on the volume, or http://www2.lut.fi/~ilonen/fibmap.pl
[05:42] <DanaG> unfortunately, fibmap doesn't stop at filesystem boundaries.
[05:42] <Cynthia> even readonly fscks (-n) work, btw
[05:43] <Cynthia> I had this script on my machine called filefrag.pl, it recursively used the filefrag utility, but I can't find it on the internets now
[05:43] <Cynthia> Maybe I just renamed it
[05:46] <Cynthia> or if you don't mind heaps of output, you can do 'find . -name "*" -print0 | xargs -0 filefrag'
[05:46] <pwnguin> DanaG: there's a filefrag util thats part of progs. not sure it handles ext4
[05:47] <Veinor> How can I autogenerate an xorg.conf ?
[05:47] <Veinor> I want to try some 2D performance tweaks to improve performance on my 1005ha.
[05:49] <mythomaniac> DanaG, when i select option two "other problem" its states, error no package specified, you need to specify package or PID. see --help for more information... err i guess i'll look at the help ;)
[05:50] <DanaG> ah, it needs the apport-symptoms package to do the "ask for symptoms" thing.
[05:51] <mythomaniac> DanaG, from the help it looks like that should be "apport-cli -s"?
[05:52] <mythomaniac> DanaG, lol "apport-cli -s" didn't help :(
[05:53] <DanaG> karmic-root: 374939/786864 files (3.9% non-contiguous), 2405572/3146724 blocks
[05:56] <mythomaniac> DanaG, hmm i do have the apport-symptoms package installed?
[05:57] <DanaG> weird.
[05:58] <DanaG> If I do apport-cli -f, it asks for symptoms.
[05:59] <Veinor> how can I optimize performance for a 945GM on Karmic?
[05:59] <mythomaniac> DanaG, was i not to install apport?
[05:59] <mythomaniac> DanaG, just apport-symptoms?
[05:59] <DanaG> both, ideally.
[06:00] <mythomaniac> DanaG, well they both are installed... and i only get internal storage, other or cancel as options...
[06:00] <DanaG> try other.
[06:00] <DanaG> home: 457280/3342336 files (6.7% non-contiguous), 10401867/13337958 blocks
[06:01] <mythomaniac> DanaG, yes then it states:  error no package specified, you need to specify package or PID. see --help for more information
[06:02] <DanaG> ah, that's stupid.
[06:02] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure where "no-sound" bugs go.
[06:02] <DanaG> dtchen: are you around?
[06:02] <maco> usually they go in linux
[06:02] <maco> that is, if theyre a driver problem
[06:02] <DanaG> though, I'm guessing it may be a policykit or consolekit thing.
[06:02] <DanaG> or a udev thing.
[06:02] <maco> if you can pin point that its really pulseaudio's fault, put it there. but by default? go for linux
[06:03] <DanaG> the works-on-vt-but-not-under-X sounds like consolekit, or such.
[06:03] <DanaG> ugh, I think part of my slow boot is that my SATA drive has just plain gotten slower lately, somehow.
[06:03] <maco> yeah thatd be either consolekit or pulseaudio's consolekit integration
[06:03] <DanaG> well, it even affects aplay.
[06:03] <DanaG> -l.
[06:04] <maco> but if pulseaudio has exclusive lock on the sound device, aplay wont work anyway
[06:04] <DanaG> aplay -l should still list devices.
[06:04] <maco> well, i think it should get re-routed through pulseaudio... hrm
[06:04] <Tuplapiste> morning
[06:04] <DanaG> ... shouldn't it?
[06:05] <maco> uhh im in X, pulse is running, aplay -l does list devices
[06:05] <maco> (im also in kde, but i dont think that effects it)
[06:05] <maco> so id say if youre finding a different pattern than that, thats probably not good
[06:06] <mythomaniac> maco, can you bring up alsamixer in ked?
[06:06] <mythomaniac> err kde
[06:06] <maco> sure
[06:06] <mythomaniac> i cannot, but i'm using awesomeWM
[06:06] <maco> ouch ouch ouch. HOT laptop!
[06:06] <maco> mythomaniac: alsamixer doesnt care about your wm
[06:06] <maco> mythomaniac: itll run in a tty
[06:07] <mythomaniac> maco, well something is wrong here ;)
[06:07] <maco> mythomaniac: whats it doing instead?
[06:07]  * DanaG goes to try new kernel with r600 KMS.
[06:07] <maco> any error message?
[06:07] <mythomaniac> maco, well as stated i can get sound from console, but not in xorg
[06:08] <DanaG> It's a permissions issue of some sort... check the strace pastebins.
[06:08] <kanye> so how is karmic shaping up?
[06:08] <DanaG> anyway, I think I've had enough... I have other stuff I wanna' mess around with.
[06:08] <maco> i missed the beginning of the convo sorry.i just saw DanaG wondering where "no sound" bugs go
[06:08] <mythomaniac> maco, well if you look at these: http://pastebin.com/m468d16cb (this is within Xorg), http://pastebin.com/m7d7643b7 (this is from console)
[06:09] <maco> mythomaniac: and alsamixer in the console behaves differently from alsamixer in X?
[06:09] <maco> er s/in X/in a console that is in X/
[06:09] <mythomaniac> maco, i can bring up alsamixer in console, but in X i get  alsamixer: funtion snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such file or directory
[06:10] <mythomaniac> maco, no console is like real console, aka ctrl+alt+f2
[06:10] <Veinor> Has anybody else noticed that the notify-send dialog boxes are created low?
[06:10] <maco> mythomaniac: O_o ok... is pulseaudio running?
[06:11] <maco> is anything using the audio device right now?
[06:11] <maco> :-/ its not an error message ive seen before though
[06:11] <mythomaniac> maco, yes, and when i run a sound file, i can see the sound from the speakers within pulseaudio volume control...
[06:11] <mythomaniac> maco, but i have no sound in x
[06:12] <mythomaniac> maco, did you look at the pastebin urls?
[06:14] <mythomaniac> maco, nothing is using the audio device...
[06:14] <Veinor> where can I go to file a bugreport for notify-osd?
[06:14] <RAOF> Veinor: Run "ubuntu-bug -p notify-osd"
[06:15] <Veinor> doesn't work
[06:15] <mythomaniac> maco, it seems to be a permission problem of some sort, because i can get sound in console (for example running a youtube video within firefox within Xorg i switch to console and i can hear the sound fine), but while in Xorg i have no sound (switch back to xorg and i get no sound)
[06:15] <Veinor> ah, doing it without -p seems to be doing something
[06:16] <Veinor> hm
[06:17] <RAOF> Oh, sorry.  You don't need the "-p" anymore, apparently.
[06:17] <RAOF> "ubuntu-bug notify-osd"
[06:20]  * mythomaniac wishes danag didn't leave...
[06:24] <mythomaniac> maco, so how do i file a bug report on this... i can do it by hand without script programs... just tell me how to do, for i never done it before...
[06:24] <hulio> Hi. I'm having an odd problem where normal GNOME login hangs but Failsafe GNOME works.
[06:25] <maco> mythomaniac: go with "ubuntu-bug consolekit"  ...the webpage to file bugs no longer exists. its all through local
[06:25] <hulio> I can't seem to discern what is causing the problem.
[06:26] <hulio> I did run today's updates and NOW have this problem.
[06:26] <mythomaniac> maco, what should i label it though?
[06:26] <maco> mythomaniac: label? you mean the one-line summary? "sound inaudible in X; audible from TTY"
[06:27] <mythomaniac> maco, when i run ubuntu-bug i get the same thing with "apport-cli -f", error no package specified, you need to specify package or PID.
[06:28] <mythomaniac> maco, should it pulseaudio?
[06:28] <mythomaniac> be*
[06:29] <mythomaniac> maco, oh you stated consolekit ok
[06:32] <hulio> Any advice for a botched login due to recent updates (possibly)?
[06:53] <martinjh99> How do I edit the grub2 configuration to add Windows to it???
[06:53] <RAOF> martinjh99: Do you have the "os-prober" package installed?  It should automatically pick up your windows install & add it to the grub menu.
[06:54] <martinjh99> Not sure - Thanks for the info though!  Just installed Alpha6 from the Live CD...
[06:55] <Adapter>  /msg NickServ identify pepsi15451
[06:55] <Tuplapiste> thanks
[06:55] <RAOF> Adapter: Time to change that password :)
[06:55] <Adapter> ohhhhhh
[06:55] <Cynthia> Adapter: change your NickServ password, it's now in the Ubuntu IRC logs
[06:56] <martinjh99> RAOF installed os-prober and it seems to have picked Windows up - Thanks!
[06:56] <Adapter> how to change
[06:56] <Cynthia> /msg NickServ set password abcxyz123
[06:56] <RAOF> martinjh99: If I remember correctly there's a bug in the Alpha6 installer where os-prober didn't get properly run.  Just running "sudo update-grub" should get it to work.
[06:57] <martinjh99> Ah - Do I have to do update-grub or update-grub2?
[06:57] <RAOF> martinjh99: It doesn't matter - they point to the same file :)
[06:58] <Adapter> Cynthia: thx
[06:58] <martinjh99> Ahha says its found Windows Vista!  Think that should work now!  Have to read up on ubuntu and Grub2 though...
[06:59] <Adapter> this little blank
[06:59] <Cynthia> Adapter: and done just in time, too; the IRC logs are refreshing in the next minute on the site
[06:59] <Adapter> so its ok
[07:00] <martinjh99> Just got to figure out how to make Windows the default...
[07:01] <RAOF> martinjh99: There'd be a switch somewhere in /etc/default/grub
[07:03] <martinjh99> Ah got it - Its all new to me!  I could easily make changes in grub-legacy...
[07:05] <martinjh99> Thanks for that - Im off to do the updates - Will be back if it breaks... ;)
[07:15] <Adys> Im running the packaged nvidia drivers nvidia-glx-185; since yesterday x/kdm dont properly start I just get a blackscreen. this happened before but my workarounds dont work anymore. $ status kdm says it works
[07:16] <Adys> heres my xorg.0.log: http://dpaste.com/99716/
[07:16] <RAOF> Excellent.
[07:16] <RAOF> Well anticipated :)
[07:16] <Adys> kdm.log: http://dpaste.com/99717/
[07:18] <RAOF> Odd; X thinks it has started correctly.  Does this work with gdm?
[07:18] <Adys> I havent tried... gimme a min
[07:19] <Adys> RAOF: how do I make it the default?
[07:19] <Adys> oh nvm it prompted
[07:19] <RAOF> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" should allow you to set...
[07:19] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:20] <Adys> I also disabled usplash and I got the nvidia logo for a split second on startup then that blackscreen again
[07:21] <Adys> woo, gdm worked
[07:21] <Adys> .. ish
[07:21] <RAOF> It's displaying something, though?
[07:21] <Adys> yes
[07:21] <Adys> RAOF: Im getting a broken gdm screen, its freezing at "trying to automatic login "
[07:22] <Adys> er
[07:22] <Adys> "automatically logging in"
[07:22] <RAOF> Oh, you've got autologin enabled?
[07:22] <Adys> yeah
[07:22] <Adys> any idea how to disable it from cli?
[07:23] <RAOF> Anyway, that confirms the "it's not directly an X problem" hypothesis.
[07:23] <RAOF> You can probably use gconftool-2 to tweak whatever settings are appropriate; I'm not entirely sure what settings they are, though.
[07:23] <DKcross> RAOF,  have a intel video card?
[07:23] <RAOF> DKcross: Yup.
[07:24] <DKcross> gpggart problem?
[07:24] <DKcross> befere start ubuntu?
[07:24] <RAOF> Not at the moment, no.
[07:24] <DKcross> before"
[07:24] <RAOF> When I actually restart, maybe :)
[07:24] <DKcross> mmm ok
[07:24] <DKcross> i thinks that is the same problem
[07:24] <DKcross> i have AAO
[07:24] <DKcross> os[Linux 2.6.31-11-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz] mem[Physical: 991.0MB, 60.5% free] disk[Total: 130.6GB, 33.6% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[07:25] <RAOF> That's not going to be the same problem as Adys' - they've got an nvidia card.
[07:25] <mythomaniac> say maco you there man?
[07:25] <maco> mythomaniac: i am here but i am not a man
[07:25] <mythomaniac> maco, oh a female then, can i call ya sis?
[07:26] <Adys> was /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[07:27] <mythomaniac> maco, anyways its bug #438543 in lunchpad, can you look at it and tell if that was ok, it was my first and if i should change anything?
[07:27]  * maco looks
[07:28] <Adys> yeah it just freezes at login
[07:28] <maco> mythomaniac: "apport-collect -p alsa-base 438543" to add audio debug info to it, but yep, goo
[07:28] <maco> *good
[07:28] <RAOF> Adys: And you're trying to log into KDE?
[07:28] <Adys> yah
[07:29] <RAOF> So, I'd guess that something's borked in KDE, then :)
[07:29] <RAOF> I don't play with KDE regularly, so someone else will need to pick up the debugging.
[07:29] <Adys> even hitting "cancel" freezes
[07:30] <mythomaniac> maco, rock on thanks ;)
[07:30] <mythomaniac> maco, oh i should run that command now?
[07:30] <Adys> sudo stop gdm freezes too.. grm
[07:30] <maco> mythomaniac: yeah
[07:31] <mythomaniac> maco k
[07:33] <bullgard4> Firefox 3.5.3 in Karmic displays fonts blurred. I followed the suggestions in a blog but Firefox still displays the fonts blurred. How to troubleshoot?
[07:34] <Veinor> xsplash seems to be using up 100% of cpu.
[07:35] <bullgard4> s/fonts/small fonts/
[07:35] <Veinor> ah, this is #438458
[07:37] <Adys> RAOF: well looks like Im just gonna reinstall; I need to fiddle with partitions anyway =\
[07:37] <mythomaniac> maco level of access should I give it?
[07:38] <maco> mythomaniac: huh? if youre asking "do i need sudo?" answer is: no
[07:39] <mythomaniac> maco, no that isn't it, when i ran "apport-collect -p alsa-base 438543" and logged in I am asked what access level should i give appot-collect?
[07:39] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Firefox 3.5.* seems to completely ignore your font rendering preferences, and acts as if you chose a smoothing other than None with hinting set to Slight
[07:40] <Cynthia> as far as I know, there's no way to overcome this
[07:40] <maco> mythomaniac: oh. hrm. im really not sure, sorry. ive never needed to use apport-collect on my own
[07:40] <mythomaniac> maco, launchpad is asking me this
[07:40] <mythomaniac> maco, heh
[07:44] <Adys> RAOF: mv ~/.kde ~/kde.bak; sudo apt-get purge kde*; sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop --without-recommends; sudo reboot
[07:44] <Adys> and it works
[07:44] <Adys> I guess my repartitioning will be for another day
[07:45] <RAOF> You should probably report a bug with the contents of ~/kde.bak
[07:49] <bullgard4> Cynthia: So is it proper to file a bug report in Launchpad against firefox?
[07:50] <Cynthia> bullgard4: it may be more appropriate to file a bug on Mozilla's Bugzilla
[07:51] <Veinor> Agreed.
[08:19] <bullgard4> Cynthia: While I am actively filing bug reports to Launchpad, Mozilla's Bugzilla keeps telling me "wrong username/passsword combination" or similar. I take it that they are not interested in my contributions.
[08:19] <Cynthia> bullgard4: are you entering your credentials correctly?
[08:21] <bullgard4> Cynthia: What is "correct"? I believe that I enterd what I should but they keep the door locked.
[08:21] <bullgard4> s/enterd/entered/
[08:22] <Cynthia> bullgard4: I'll presume you checked the obvious things like Caps Lock password entry and all that, but what I mean is did you enter the right username and password?
[08:24] <bullgard4> Cynthia: Yes, I checked several times CapsLock and similar stumbling blocks. If the username and password was right, only they will decide.
[08:24] <Cynthia> failing that, register a new username
[08:24] <Veinor> you're not trying to sign in with your canonical launchpad un/pw, are you? >_>
[08:24] <Cynthia> I think it'll be valid then :)
[08:24] <bullgard4> Cynthia: Oh, no.
[09:24] <S33K3R> WHY IS FILE COPYING FROM USB DRIVE SO SLOW IN KARMIC?
[09:28] <joaopinto> !caps | S33K3R
[09:29] <joaopinto> S33K3R, please check on launchpad if there is a bug reported about it
[09:32] <joaopinto> ouch, empathy crash on my first attempt to test it
[09:38] <sagensand> I got a blue Universal Access (Assistive Technologies)icon in the Notification area. Did I accidently put it up there or is that part of a update? If I click it there are 5 options. There is no tool tip and no popup when I RMB on it so I can't remove it. When I disable Visual Assistance in Start Up Applications it still appears. Anyone have that same icon
[09:38] <joaopinto> I don't jave ot
[09:38] <joaopinto> have it
[09:38] <rsk> mein either
[09:44] <anselm> I reported a bug and in the response it says it should be sent to bugzilla.gnome.org. Should I do this or is there an automatic process for things like that
[09:44] <joaopinto> anselm, there is a process of linking bugs upstream, I believe you can do it, but I am not familiar wth it
[09:45] <Cynthia> I believe you can't assign remote bug watches if you're not the person the bug is assigned to
[09:45] <Cynthia> I.e. Ubuntu Desktop Bugs assigned itself to one of my bugs, and I couldn't do anything after that
[09:46] <Amaranth> you should be able to
[09:46] <Amaranth> probably a launchpad bug if you can't
[09:46] <Cynthia> That was in the earlier Launchpad version, I haven't tried a bug report or modifications to bugs in 3.0 yet
[09:47] <Cynthia> Mainly because I have this bug about Eclipse and Azureus (Vuze) trying to uninstall each other when I ues apt-get, and you can't report bugs without packages anymore
[09:48] <Cynthia> And I would like to know which package(s) I should use ubuntu-bug on: eclipse-jdt? vuze? sun-java6-jre?
[09:49] <Amaranth> Cynthia: what exactly is happening?
[09:50] <Cynthia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/281123/
[09:51] <Cynthia> I tried a simple "apt-get install eclipse", but it had dependency problems; otherwise, this happens when I have "azureus" and "sun-java6-jdk" (and all dependencies) installed; they seem to Breaks: each other
[09:51] <Cynthia> or some libswt package breaks
[09:52] <joaopinto> Cynthia, if "apt-get install eclipse" fails, then you should file a bug report about it
[09:53] <Cynthia> joaopinto: the bug is not as clear-cut as that; it's a packaging problem between Eclipse and Azureus-Vuze; installing one demands uninstalling the other
[09:53] <Cynthia> eclipse itself succeeds when I have azureus purged
[09:53] <joaopinto> Cynthia, that is part of the bug triaging, that doesn't change the fact that eclipse fails to install
[09:54] <Cynthia> I see
[09:54]  * Cynthia does ubuntu-bug eclipse
[09:54] <joaopinto> you can also use the the "Also affects" feature on launchpad later
[09:54] <joaopinto> to relate it to the other packages
[09:55] <S33K3R> doesn't anyone here experience slow file transfers from/to usb drives?
[09:56] <AlanBell> I don't have any icons in my System menu
[09:56] <Cynthia> S33K3R: Not I
[09:56] <S33K3R> cynthia: wats your transfer rate?
[09:56] <Cynthia> launchpad bug 4195 seems to be related to my problem, but it's quite old, and was marked Invalid
[09:56] <Cynthia> S33K3R: 10 MiB/s read
[09:57] <S33K3R> cynthia: how about write?
[09:57] <Cynthia> S33K3R: your device may be transferring at USB 1.1 speeds; have you checked 'dmesg' to see if the Linux kernel says it's "falling back" to that speed?
[09:57] <Cynthia> writes at 4 MB/s
[09:57] <S33K3R> cynthia: did u do any tweaks or its like that by default?
[09:57] <Cynthia> default
[09:58] <Cynthia> the only tweak in my system is a whitelist for the Intel driver
[09:58] <S33K3R> detail please
[09:59] <Cynthia> S33K3R: the only tweak on my system is for the video driver, see launchpad bug 430694
[10:00] <S33K3R> cynthia: wats the whitelist thingy all about?
[10:01] <Cynthia> er, I didn't mean whitelist, sorry. I meant initramfs loaded modules
[10:07] <Cynthia> filed bug 438606
[10:13] <dubandy> If I install Ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6, will the update manager install more stable beta and rc candidates when they become available?
[10:13] <Cynthia> dubandy: Yes
[10:13] <rsk> dubandy: yes
[10:13] <dubandy> sweet xD
[10:14] <rsk> dubandy: it will even install updates every day if you want that
[10:14] <bullgard4> [Firefox 3.5.3] Clicking Firefox > Help > Report a Problem will not produce any reaction. Is this normal and intended?
[10:14] <dubandy> then that's what I'm gonna do when I get home frome work... ohh can't wait 'til the new release of gnome either
[10:14] <Amaranth> GNOME 3 is at least 6 months away
[10:14] <dubandy> (._.) - sad panda :S
[10:15] <dubandy> well the login splash screen for 9.10 looks pretty sweet though
[10:15] <rsk> gnome 2.28 is in thou
[10:15] <rsk> and it's pretty new
[10:15] <joaopinto> bullgard4, I don't have such action on the help menu
[10:15] <Amaranth> We won't be using GNOME 3 in the next release of ubuntu even if it comes out in time
[10:16] <bullgard4> Amaranth: What is the reason?
[10:16] <Amaranth> bullgard4: lucid is LTS
[10:16] <bullgard4> Amaranth: Ok, thank you.
[10:16] <dubandy> well that's understandable though. it needs to be stable first.
[10:16] <Cynthia> bullgard4/joaopinto: I do, and it indeed does nothing. (I'm on amd64, if that makes any difference. And I haven't gone through the last partial upgrade from Apt.)
[10:17] <joaopinto> I am running with the latest upgrade, 32bits
[10:18] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I am on x86 32 bit, and it does nothing. --  Thank you for reporting.
[10:22] <dubandy> Do you guys find any disadvantages with running Alpha 6 today as your main os?
[10:23] <joaopinto> dubandy, breakage risk
[10:23] <shivek> Hmm ! I haven't tried Alpha 6 yet, waiting for the stable version
[10:23] <Cynthia> dubandy: Eclipse + Azureus :)
[10:23] <shivek>  =)
[10:23] <shivek> karmic has empathy as its default messenger ?
[10:24] <Cynthia> shivek: yes, but I believe that, through no action of my own, Pidgin got installed in an update
[10:24] <dubandy> well I won't be running neither eclipse nor azureus/vuze or empathy/pidgin
[10:26] <shivek> I wanna try alpha 6 on my old PC ( but sudo apt-get dist upgrade, I don't know what to do next ! )
[10:27] <Frickelpit> shivek: try sudo update-manager -d
[10:28] <shivek> Ahh ! Got it !
[10:28] <shivek> Thanks
[10:30] <joaopinto> empathy is not that stable yet
[10:31] <SandGorgon> can noatime,nodiratime be passed as kernel boot parameters ?
[10:31] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, aren't those options related to filesystem mounts ?
[10:31] <Cynthia> joaopinto: yes
[10:32] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, correct - but want to apply them systemwide to all FS
[10:32] <joaopinto> there is no relation between kernel boot parameter and FS boot options, as far as I know
[10:32] <Cynthia> but SandGorgon, try the 'ro' kernel boot option; readonly filesystems can't have their atimes updated.
[10:32] <joaopinto> some of those options are not available/supported in some FS types
[10:32] <Cynthia> wait, is 'ro' for all filesystems or just the root?
[10:33] <SandGorgon> Cynthia, that might be a problem - mounting as RO
[10:33] <joaopinto> Cynthia, root, the other FS are mounted later, by a mount script, I guess :P
[10:33] <dubandy> advantages/disadvantages running EXT4 instead of EXT3?
[10:33] <Cynthia> ah, ok, never mind me then
[10:33] <rsk> dubandy: if you can choose, always use 4
[10:33] <joaopinto> dubandy, advantages: better performance, dis: not as stable/tested as ext3
[10:33] <Cynthia> dubandy: ext4 is not as reliable as 3 even if it is quite mature
[10:34] <Cynthia> but ext4 uses extent allocation, which uses up less disk space for metadata
[10:34] <Cynthia> faster deletes and file creations, with less seeks!
[10:34] <joaopinto> I am using ext4, for data safety I only trust on backups :)
[10:35] <Cynthia> for the record, I haven't had any problem with ext4, but this is from limited testing.
[10:36] <dubandy> yeah I mean I think I would probably run EXT4, but how much more testing do you think is necessary before it's stable enough?
[10:36] <joaopinto> dubandy, ext4 is stable, to be as stable ext3, it needs the same level of testing, years of use
[10:37] <dubandy> joaopinto: alright, thanks
[10:47] <joaopinto> hum, is there a support channel for empathy ?
[10:49] <Cynthia> joaopinto: #telepathy
[10:49] <joaopinto> Cynthia, tks
[10:53] <Amaranth> Note that the default setup of ext3 is now just as likely to lose data as ext4
[10:54] <Amaranth> as of 2.6.30 iirc
[10:54] <Amaranth> It uses data=writeback instead of data=ordered so fsync works correctly
[10:56] <Tominator> hi!
[10:57] <Tominator> anyone have experienced the clicking noise when any program tries to play a sound, too?
[10:57] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth: I take it there is no ext3 to ext4 conversion-in-place tool?
[10:57] <JMFTheVCI> Tominator: yes, all the time.
[10:57] <Tominator> oh okay... do you know if anyone has filed this bug already?
[10:58] <Cynthia> JMFTheVCI: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-convert-ext3-to-ext4-file-system.html
[10:58] <Cynthia> Tominator: A little "pop" of sorts?
[10:58] <Tominator> jep
[10:58] <Cynthia> I also get that, but not all the time; it probably depends on whether the application has emitted sound before (so it has a PulseAudio stream open)
[10:59] <JMFTheVCI> Cynthia: Thanks.
[10:59] <Tominator> ah yeah... that sounds plausible :)
[10:59] <Cynthia> But yes, the pop sound would 'hide' the first event sound from an application
[11:00] <Tominator> okay... since there seem to be al lot of people to have this problem, i guess it will be fixed sime time :)
[11:00] <Tominator> yep
[11:03] <sageNsand> I got a blue Universal Access (Assistive Technologies) icon in the Notification area. Did I accidentally put it up there or is that part of a update? If I click it there are 5 options. There is no tool tip and no popup when I RMB on it so I can't remove it. When I disable Visual Assistance in Start Up Applications it still appears. If I login as Guest its not there.Anyone have that same blue icon stuck in the Notification area. I think
[11:03] <sageNsand>  the Notification area has been having troubles
[11:04] <Amaranth> sageNsand: System->Preferences->Assistive Technologies
[11:04] <Amaranth> sageNsand: Make sure that does have the enable checkbox checked
[11:04] <Amaranth> err, doesn't
[11:04] <Cynthia> sageNsand: does this happen on brand-new users? (Users and Groups, make another and log into that)
[11:05] <Amaranth> Cynthia: Not happening in the guest user so no
[11:05] <Cynthia> I see
[11:05] <Amaranth> (guest user is a new user every time you login to it)
[11:06] <Cynthia> ok :) Thanks for the information
[11:06] <Cynthia> truth be told, I've never used guest accounts, I thought it was a single unprivileged user
[11:07] <Amaranth> nope, it creates a user then when you logout it deletes the user and their home dir
[11:37] <amortvigil> hello how can i repair grub with a live cd?? sudo grub doenst work?
[11:39] <Cynthia> amortvigil, sudo update-grub
[11:39] <amortvigil> Cynthia: ty
[11:39] <amortvigil> Cynthia: grub-probe cannot find a device for /
[11:40] <Cynthia> hmm
[11:40] <Cynthia> in a live CD. I missed that completely
[11:40] <amortvigil> ?
[11:40] <amortvigil> do i need to get in some sort of chroot?
[11:41] <Cynthia> you might need to, but then the devices in /dev might not work to detect other OSes in the chroot
[11:42] <amortvigil> Cynthia:  i may describe my problem some more detailed
[11:42] <amortvigil> i have a macbook 5.1 with refit bootloader
[11:42] <amortvigil> the bootloader detects my linux partition
[11:42] <amortvigil> and loads it
[11:42] <amortvigil> then grub says "missing operation system"
[11:42] <amortvigil> atleast i think its grub
[11:45] <amortvigil> Cynthia: maybe grub-install ( or update ) 00no-floppy --root-directory=/media/disk/grub  ( where i mounted my root system )
[11:48] <Cynthia> I'll be honest and say I don't know; maybe someone else can get the torch with this added information :)
[11:50] <amortvigil> Cynthia: thanx for your help
[11:50] <amortvigil> your the first lady helping me :)
[12:15] <mbeierl> Still having "flickering" after latest update: boot starts, no splash for boot, instead starts flickering text display on/off rapidly, finally resting at tty login, and remains flickering.  Alternate keystrokes are consumed by the flicker so it's nearly impossible to log in to console.  Anyone else get past this?  Left in this state for > 20 minutes but did not resolve
[12:16] <GobiTheGoblin> mbeierl: I have to restart X, at start. After login it hangs...
[12:17] <GobiTheGoblin> so I guess, there is some issues...
[12:17] <mbeierl> GobiTheGoblin: I tried recovery mode and that allowed me to log in, but I could not start x (something about upstart saying GDM is not registered?)
[12:18] <ccooke> mbeierl: Hmm. I had that on Sunday, but after I rebooted once into the -10 kernel, it was fine.
[12:18] <GobiTheGoblin> mbeierl: did you try to get in console with ctrl+alt+f1 etc?
[12:18] <ccooke> even when I botted -11 next, which was interesting
[12:19] <mbeierl> currently booted with -10.  Tried -11 with same result.  Already at console with ctrl-alt-f1, but flickering continued and "consumed" some keystrokes so logging in was nearly impossible
[12:33] <virtuald> apport wants to send 98,8 MB to launchpad. somehow i think that will fail
[12:36] <virtuald> what's a floating point exception? division by zero?
[12:37] <Cynthia> virtuald: or attempting any operation on a so-called "signalling NaN"
[12:37] <virtuald> ok
[12:38] <virtuald> i love how pidgin sends me messages from 1972-11-12
[12:59] <mbeierl> anyone else get past the flickering console/no GDM of the latest updates?
[13:13] <GobiTheGoblin> Xsplash need nowadays 100% of my other core :P
[13:13] <GobiTheGoblin> *thinks that there may be some issues :D
[13:14] <deepjoy> I havn't seen bootsplash in about a week
[13:14] <salty-horse> should this block 9.10 final? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monotone/+bug/436389
[13:14] <deepjoy> I thought that got disabled when the new daemon init scripts/app went in
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> i wasent sure it got disabled.. or i had removed it.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> I found xsplash a little.. useless.
[13:18] <GobiTheGoblin> so xsplash can be removed?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> yes - ive removed it befor
[13:19] <GobiTheGoblin> straight from package manager?
[13:19] <spirit-sight> my update-manger crashed during update, now it has a lot of items but they can not be installed and when I click on check it shows updating cash and does nothing what can I do?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> or you can edit the gdm configs to just disable it  - even if its installed.
[13:19] <Ian_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/438618
[13:19] <Ian_> anyone any idea?
[13:19] <Ian_> or advice :)
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> apt-get remove xsplash
[13:20] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: Ty, again =)
[13:20] <yofel> spirit-sight: try running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' in a terminal and then try again
[13:24] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: it helped. Now it boots without failure
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> xsplash is a failure.. = TRUE
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:25] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: =D
[13:27] <joaopinto> spirit-sight, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:30] <spirit-sight> thanks that seem to help it told me to run some configure -a thing and that seem to get me pass the issue so I could run the other command
[13:32] <spirit-sight> joaopinto: how can I clean the grub it shows alot of kenrel / recover stuff that I don't have on system
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> using grub 1 or grub 2?
[13:34] <spirit-sight> 2
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> edit the proper grub2 config files and rerun update-grub
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:35] <spirit-sight> is grub going to become faster its sad it takes as for grub as it takes the system after the grub starts run the system
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> cant say taht ive noticed grub being slow at all
[13:36] <mbeierl> FYI: the flashing appeared to be nvidia modules did not compile first try and subsequent reboots never recompiled it.  aptitude reinstall nvidia-185-kernel-source from the -11 recovery console did the trick
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> system doing the bios/post tests take longer then it does to boot here. :)
[13:36] <joaopinto> grub is instantaneous for me
[13:37] <spirit-sight> not for me :(
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> I got one odd box that grub1 takes like 60 sec to actually launch.. Not sure what the deal is with it..
[13:37] <mbeierl> anyone know how to make grub2 show the menu by default?  In this case where my kernel was broken, I found it hard to get to the menu, so while we're in alpha I'd like to see the menu always
[13:37] <joaopinto> spirit-sight, are you sure you are talking about grub and not about the regular boot process ?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. it shows the menu here.. check /etc/defaults/grub perhaps
[13:38] <spirit-sight> its grub "Grub Loading..."
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> ive got a similer quirk like that on my odd box.
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> not sure why it hangs for a time. Like its waiting for the drives to spin up or somthing
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> You did a cleaninstall of 9.10? not a upgrade right?
[13:40] <spirit-sight> correct cleaninstall
[13:40] <mbeierl> is there a man page for /etc/default/grub?
[13:40] <jdobrien> after the lastest dist-upgrade (a few minutes ago) my system is extremely slow
[13:40] <jdobrien> nealy unusable
[13:40] <jdobrien> nearly
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. no issues here.. my last updates were only like 10mb.
[13:51] <mortal> gdm breakage anyone? failing dpkg configure
[13:54] <spirit-sight> how do I remove a old kernel and only keep the latest?
[13:55] <MisterN> spirit-sight: by removing the old kernels in synaptic
[13:56] <spirit-sight> I don't find it in there
[13:56] <ni1s> Hows karmic kubuntu, is it complete enough to be useable?
[13:58] <joaopinto> ni1s, if you can't aford system breakage, yes
[13:58] <joaopinto> can
[13:59] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[14:00] <ni1s> joaopinto, you running it?
[14:00] <joaopinto> yes
[14:00] <Ian_> any idea when the eclipse broken package thing will be resolved?
[14:00] <maccam94> does anyone else have an issue with the user switcher app no longer reflecting pidgin's status?
[14:01] <ni1s> joaopinto, got any pointers for me before I distupgrade?
[14:01] <Ian_> backup.
[14:02] <ni1s> well yeah
[14:02] <Ian_> :D
[14:02] <ni1s> other than backup
[14:02] <joaopinto> nothing special, I have no major issues right now
[14:02] <Ian_> what kind of graphics card?
[14:02] <joaopinto> but like I said, don't upgrade if you can't afford a broken system , it can happen
[14:03] <ni1s> me? "radeon x16NN something something", it's a rv535
[14:03] <Ian_> ah, should be fine then I think.
[14:03] <spirit-sight> how can I get grub to be faster at startup?
[14:03] <ni1s> spirit-sight, set timeout to 0?
[14:04] <ni1s> might be a bad idea thou
[14:05] <spirit-sight> its not that, the time is slow before the menu comes up, it does sound like the disk our spin and grub searching?
[14:06] <ni1s> spirit-sight, that's probably your BIOS set to look for CDROM,USB or whatnot to boot from
[14:08] <spirit-sight> nope, it only looks for CD and when it was grub 1 it did not take one eight the time for the grub menu come up
[14:12] <joaopinto> uff, shouldn't we have a working solution for the flash player installation to work out-of-the-box from firefox ?
[14:16] <mbeierl> mortal: just got over GDM breakage due to nvidia kernel mod not being rebuilt after -11 upgrade.  dropped to recovery console and did aptitude reinstall nvidia-185-kernel-source and all is well.
[14:18] <mortal> here it is gconf related
[14:18] <Luit> hi, I'm puzzled by my graphics performance...
[14:18] <Luit> how can I check if I'm using the right drivers?
[14:19] <Luit> I can't find my xorg.conf file, so I can't say for sure what configuration I have ...
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> check your card vs the nvidia readme  perhaps.
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> but tha may or may not have any setttings in it. :)
[14:19] <Luit> there's no file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:20] <Luit> and I have an Intel GMA 4500MHD
[14:20] <GobiTheGoblin> Luit: It is running by default settings then...
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> X autoconfigures for the most part. I recall making my xorg.conf with nvidia-settings to enable twinview.
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> ive systems with no xorg.conf :)
[14:20] <Luit> should my performance be lousy in these default settings?
[14:20] <joaopinto> hum, yesterday I was looking for the same, is there an easy way to determine the xorg driver being used ?
[14:21] <joaopinto> without browing the Xorg log
[14:21] <joaopinto> browsing
[14:21] <ni1s> grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:21] <Dr_Willis>  grep Module  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:21] <ni1s> or that
[14:23] <Luit> I get i810, vesa, fbdev, fbdevhw, evdev
[14:23] <Luit> and dri2, intel, dbe
[14:23] <Dr_Willis>  grep read the logs a little more.. its proberly trying some drivers in some order and then going to th enext
[14:23] <Luit> though many drivers first have a Module line, followed by a UnloadModule line
[14:24] <ni1s> Luit, you want X to use the intel driver
[14:24] <Luit> I guess, but how do I let it use the intel driver?
[14:24] <ni1s> grep what does $ driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you?
[14:25] <Luit> http://pastebin.com/d138bff9f
[14:25] <Luit> that's what grep Module /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells me
[14:26] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, that is not a clean way to determine it
[14:26] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, how is an end user expect to identify the driver from that list :) ?
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> ive not see a clean way.
[14:26] <Luit> http://pastebin.com/d3b2da966 that's grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> Ive never really looked into it. My machines either say 'nv' or 'nvidia'
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> or vesa
[14:27] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, it works for you because you have the know-how from previous xorg versions that that is a graphics driver name ;)
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[14:27] <Luit> so, for me I guess it loads intel, vesa and fbdev just to unload the latter two again later
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> evdev is for  input devices i think
[14:28] <ni1s> Luit, yeah
[14:28] <Luit> then how do I increase performance?
[14:28] <ni1s> Luit, where do you see the bad performance?
[14:28] <Luit> 720p movies shouldn't stutter on this setup
[14:28] <ni1s> ah
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> intel drivers have had some issues in the last relese. perhaps you are still having issues.
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> had any other issues besised video playback?
[14:29] <Luit> I read something about EXA and UXA...
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> Intel drivers are being tweaked/updated with some of that stuff..
[14:29] <Luit> compiz isn't being too fast either...
[14:29] <ni1s> Luit, you
[14:30] <ni1s> re probabltu using UXA
[14:30] <ni1s> Luit, grep the X log for it
[14:31] <Luit> (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[14:31] <Luit> lines after that: solid, copy, composite (RENDER acceleration)
[14:31] <yofel> ni1s, Luit: the intel driver in Karmic has only UXA support, XAA and EXA were dropped in 2.7.1
[14:32] <ni1s> Luit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance
[14:32] <ni1s> yofel, that's what I thought
[14:32]  * alankila loves how new technologies are born and die faster than they can practically be deployed
[14:33] <Luit> right... so, what can be saved?
[14:33] <alankila> something that's particularly strange about the open-source world. Most of the commercial vendors generally don't deploy something to half the systems and then announce they'll rewrite everything and then deploy that... layers and layers of crud and only the latest and greatest ever has a slightest chance of working. :-/
[14:34] <ni1s> alankila, i'm pretty sure they do, they just don't tell you the're doing it
[14:35] <Luit> I also see a constant 10% cpu load...
[14:35] <joaopinto> alankila, that's is why open source moves much faster, as in the modernization sense, unlike the comercial world
[14:35] <alankila> well if they keep their rewrites internal then I don't really have a problem about it... I'm just idly wondering what's going on with, say, fglrx that worked about 1 year ago, but then has never worked since.
[14:35] <Luit> most of which is consumed by Xorg
[14:36] <ni1s> alankila, the bin blob have always sucked
[14:36] <alankila> joaopinto: I still think it's mostly playing catch up. Hardly leading. :-/
[14:36] <joaopinto> pick 1k comercial apps, and 1k open source apps, and determine the effort to deploy them on a recent OS version
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> ati has been dropping older cards from fglrx
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> and some times the xorg version actually works. :)
[14:36] <alankila> ni1s: with the possible exception of the nvidia bin blob that seems to markedly not-suck.
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> we all know matrox is the best. :)
[14:37] <ni1s> Luit, might be your window manager, did you read the link?
[14:37] <bjsnider> alankila, which new technologies are you referring to?
[14:37] <joaopinto> alankila, open source is about development, comercial software is about making money, any attempt to compare development models for such different goals doesn't make much sense
[14:37] <alankila> bjsnider: well this X rewrite... we had xaa for a long time, then exa was coming for a new years, but was dropped by uxa, which is apparently being dropped to favor gallium, and who knows what comes after that
[14:38] <Luit> ni1s, still reading
[14:38] <bjsnider> alankila, who said uxa is being dropped in favour of gallium?
[14:38] <ni1s> joaopinto, the goal of open-source is to be open-source, what you make of it beyond doesnt matter
[14:39] <alankila> the gallium guys, I think. I don't really know what is going on with that.
[14:39] <bjsnider> gallium deals with implementing 3d, not pixmaps
[14:39] <bjsnider> it's opengl only
[14:39] <bjsnider> if i understand correctly
[14:39] <ni1s> yeah thats right
[14:39] <alankila> it's supposed to be the acceleration architecture for all APIs, presumably including 2D x.
[14:39] <joaopinto> ni1s, we are talking about open-source development, not about open-source as something static
[14:40] <bjsnider> alankila, no 2d acceleration at this time. perhaps int he future
[14:40] <alankila> so that's why I think it's poised to replace even UXA. Or maybe it just accelerates that with some UXA backend thing they called "state tracker"
[14:41] <bjsnider> there are no 2d state trackers at this point, and none in the planning stages either
[14:41] <bjsnider> and i fail to see the point of trashing exa. exa wasn't 'coming', it was actually in use until very, very recently
[14:44] <Luit> should I try the bleeding-edge driver?
[14:44] <alankila> I don't think I was trashing exa. I'm just lamenting the fact that there are too many competing solutions in a small solution space, and I fail to see the rationale for so many of them...
[14:44] <bjsnider> i'll tell you wh at it is
[14:45] <joaopinto> hum, is it just me, or ubuntu-bug is failing reporting every packages as not genuine ?
[14:45] <bjsnider> because the xorg code is so esoteric and old-style that it needs to be thrown out and replaced
[14:45] <ni1s> Luit, might help
[14:46] <Luit> what could explain the ~10% CPU usage of Xorg?
[14:46] <alankila> I might get behind that, but if anyone tries to kill X we'll probably end up with 10 clones of X which are all broken. They are working on killing unused extensions, I hear, though. Things like DGA that haven't worked for like a decade.
[14:46] <GobiTheGoblin>  I think that there is too many layers too..
[14:46] <ni1s> Luit, could be anything, probably your window manager
[14:46] <Luit> oh, great
[14:47] <Luit> it's a clean 9.10 install by the way
[14:47] <vigo> Luit: Where did that come from?
[14:47] <alankila> Luit: you can try oprofile to capture a trace of your system
[14:48] <alankila> if you have devel packages installed you generally can trace CPU drain to a single function within a library
[14:48] <GobiTheGoblin> Luit: go to console and type top see what uses it
[14:48] <Luit> running top already
[14:48] <Luit> it's around 10% for Xorg all the time
[14:48] <GobiTheGoblin> Luit: I had xsplash takin 100% of other core
[14:48] <bjsnider> alankila, the xorg code is only understood by a few core devs, so nobody outside that realm can contribute to it, unlike the linux kernel. that has to change pure and simple.
[14:48] <alankila> my guess is that it's the horror of X horrors, the pixman library. It springs up in response to almost any composition operation because these aren't often properly accelerated by hardware.
[14:49] <Luit> it's a single-core system... Intel SU3500 processor
[14:49] <alankila> so when I do a simple image move within, say, firefox, it's pixman that uses all the time because for some reason firefox on X can't accelerate anything, it seems.
[14:50] <Luit> should I just install Vista again then? since that OS can run for 9 hours on this laptop, and Ubuntu simply can't
[14:50] <alankila> when I ran gnome-system-monitor to draw a moving chart of system information, it's pixman that uses all the time doing image composition.
[14:50] <GobiTheGoblin> Luit: well it takes 4% from me... all the time. so If it is quite old, my guess is that it could take that 10%
[14:50] <ni1s> Luit, that's up to you
[14:50] <Luit> lol
[14:50] <Luit> I want ubuntu!
[14:50] <Luit> :P
[14:51] <Luit> was 9.04 using different drivers? possibly better drivers?
[14:51] <bjsnider> alankila, what graphics card do you have?
[14:51] <alankila> mostly nvidia, but there's one ATI X1250 laptop too.
[14:52] <bjsnider> nvidia had to create their own arch to replace the failed parts of x
[14:52] <vigo> Luit: That area got muddled to me, 8.04.3 is still a strong stable thing.
[14:52] <alankila> yes, I heard that from "Linux Graphics Hater"
[14:52] <Luit> should I try to revert to the old EXA drivers then?
[14:52] <alankila> it's amazing though. It must be the reason why my nvidia boxes have always worked, and with reasonable performance too.
[14:52] <Luit> 8.04 is a bit too much wayback for me
[14:53] <vigo> Debian 5
[14:53] <alankila> a single supplier is able to make sure that everything works: just keep on overriding stuff you don't control until you control everything :-p
[14:53] <bjsnider> or until the failed stuff is replaced by new stuff that does work
[14:54] <alankila> yes, that would be good overall. Perhaps all the TTM-GEM-DRM-DRI-DRI2-what-have-you can finally put something together that does work
[14:54] <Luit> and how does my BIOS only support 3 C-states, while my processor supports 6?
[14:54] <vigo> Or we make it work then submit the fixes, that is the way it is suppose to function.
[14:57] <vigo> I have to look at some documents now.
[14:59] <bullgard4> How can I get more startup message output on my virtual console #1 when booting?
[15:00] <Luit> bullgard4, remove "quiet" from the kernel command line in grub, I guess
[15:01] <bullgard4> Luit: I havew that remoced. I still need more of these messages. (I have set that in another Ubuntu 8.04.3 computer. But I forgot how.)
[15:02] <Crashbit> bullgard4: remove quiet and splash from /etc/default/grub
[15:02] <bullgard4> Crashbit:  I havew that removed. I still need more of these messages. (I have set that in another Ubuntu 8.04.3 computer. But I forgot how.)
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking there was a verbose option also..
[15:09] <Luit> strangely, my laptop seems to be using more power running x86 than running 64-bits ubuntu
[15:16] <natewiebe13> in terms of the volume control.. is it supposed to mute when put to the bottom?
[15:17] <natewiebe13> i find it very annoying how you have to unmute before you can use the volume slider again
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> dosent MUTE when i slide the slider in the Speaker in the panel all the way down here...
[15:20] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: it works sometimes.. and other times, not.. im going to capture it, file a bug and send you a link
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> wont do me much good to have a link. :)
[15:21] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: just so you can see what im talking about
[15:21] <natewiebe13> it works sometimes.. and other times, it doesnt
[15:21] <natewiebe13> id say works 20%-30% of the time
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> You slide the slider in teh panel 'volume' control applet all the way down and it auto-mutes?
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> aha - i can MAKE it do it.. :)
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> i slode down past the mixer controll when it pops down...
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> if i dont go past - it dont seem to mute
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> Right click on it and go to Sound Perferances. and the 'output volume slider' shows the same 'quirk'
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what the point of going MUTE is.. if its at 0% anyway....
[15:24] <BluesKaj> the mute on my KB no longer works
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> i bet its somthing to do with how the card turns off to save power.
[15:25] <BluesKaj> things are getting worde with this alpha rather than better
[15:25] <natewiebe13> i would like it if it didnt mute when the slider reaches the bottom
[15:25] <BluesKaj> worse
[15:25] <natewiebe13> kind of like how in jaunty there was the slider, but also a checkbox for mute
[15:26] <natewiebe13> if you open the volume preferences, the volume control in there works like it is supposed to
[15:27] <natewiebe13> its only the applet
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  i notice if you use the Mouse Wheel OVER the applet.. down to 0% it mutes.. then wheel up does Unmute it
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> seems its only the slider that has the quirk
[15:28] <natewiebe13> yeah.. it does
[15:28] <natewiebe13> what package would i file the bug under?
[15:28] <natewiebe13> gnome-applets?
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> i think its an applet bug.. so not sure,
[15:29] <natewiebe13> yeah.. would it be gnome-applets though?
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> no idea where that appolet came from
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> that wouldbe my guess
[15:31] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: gnome-media
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> file it under ubuntu :P
[15:35] <mbc2000> how do i remove a windows partition from 'Places'?  it's greyed out in nautilus.
[15:35] <Pici> mbc2000: Do you see it in nautilus bookmarks?
[15:35] <mbc2000> not sure what that is
[15:36] <Pici> Open a nautilus window and check bookmarks from the title bar
[15:36] <mbc2000> not there
[15:37] <drs305> Just a note: If you are using PulseAudio and don't want to deal with the mute checkbox, you can install "pavucontrol" and the mute issue disappears  (no mute tickbox).
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> drs305: sweet (mental note)
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> !info pavucontrol
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the mute tickbox is still here.
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> p was thinking there was a pav???? that goes in the panel also to replace that speaker mixer gizmo
[15:45] <Veinor> xsplash keeps using up 100% CPU.
[15:47] <drs305> Dr_Willis: I just ran it on the Karmic I have in VM and it disappeared as it does on my normal install. hmmm.
[15:47] <Dr_Willis>  padevchooser    has some neat features.
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> if i slide it all the way down.. it goes to mute.. then when i try to Slide it up.. it pops back down to 0.
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> got to unmute it.. OR use the wheel  first.
[15:49] <drs305> I think when I had the mute box you could also double-click in the middle of the slider to unmute.
[15:51] <mbc2000> how do i rename something in the grub2 menu?
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> edit the grub items in /etc/default or /etc/grub.d scripts I think
[15:54] <BluesKaj> mbc2000, in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but be careful ..there will be a warning in the text
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> cahnges to grub.cfg will get overwritten next time you rerun update-grub
[15:54] <drs305> mbc2000: What is it you want to rename?
[15:55] <mbc2000> i have a generic "windows whatever on sda3".  i want "Windows Server 2003 R2" instead.
[15:55] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: bug 438755
[15:56] <drs305> mbc2000: It's a bit complicated to rename something that is entered by default. If you put it in gurb.cfg as was mentioned it will get overwritten. You can make a custom entry but it may be more work than you want.
[15:56] <stefg> mbc2000: so set the file system label accordingly
[15:57] <drs305> Here are a couple of grub 2 intros: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[15:57] <mbc2000> thanks
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> 30_os-prober   or 30_otheros
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> maybe thebetter things to edit
[15:57] <BluesKaj> mbc2000, you can safely chenge the text within the quotes ,. just save it  and leave the rest alone :)
[15:58] <mbc2000> BluesKaj: you're talking about grub.cfg?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:58] <mbc2000> ok
[15:58] <mbc2000> the "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" scared me
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> back it up.. :)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> heh, I ve changed mine from vista to windows7
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> and you may need to sudo chmod +w it  i think
[15:59] <mbc2000> thanks
[15:59]  * Dr_Willis chnages his from Windows to  Windows ICKY!
[15:59] <drs305> Yes you would have to do that.
[15:59] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: you are having the same thing with the volume applet right?
[16:00] <Dr_Willis> natewiebe13:  yep.
[16:00] <natewiebe13> itd be cool if you confirmed the bug.. with the "this bug affects me too"
[16:01] <drs305> mbc2000: Do you just have one Windows entry in your grub menu?
[16:02] <mbc2000> just one
[16:02] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: i find it strange how the volume control works the way it is supposed to in "volume preferences" but the applet doesnt
[16:02] <drs305> I'm going to play around with the 30_os-prober script. There should be a way to insert a custom name there that would stay even when update-grub is run.
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> Yea - posted a comment.
[16:03] <drs305> mbc2000: If I come up with something I'll try to catch you and let you know. And I'll include it in my UF post.
[16:03] <mbc2000> thanks
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> drs305:  it just generated a 30-os_other file here I think.. for my system.
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> drs305:  if you are not going to add any othe ros's  you could  make the os-prover non-executable and just edit 30_os-other
[16:03] <natewiebe13> Dr_Willis: double clicking does work.. but i find this issue really annoying.. thanks for the comment
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> Im so used to the volume wheel on my keyboard. i rarely use that applet
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> volume buttons on THIS keyboard however.. launch the calcultor. :P
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[16:04] <natewiebe13> Also, isnt "User Switch"  applet supposed to show your name not the user name?
[16:05] <natewiebe13> didnt notice until just now.. the only difference is a capital letter
[16:06] <XDevHald> Anyone know how to change to saving location from Desktop to the /home/usr ?
[16:06] <XDevHald> I have screenlets running and want the files and folders etc to save to my /home/usr location instead of my desktop
[16:09] <AlanBell> is there a bug for the lack of icons in the System menu?
[16:10] <djdarkman> hello, my USB system seems to not work at all, I heard that this has something to do with DeviceKit, is there some way to make this work?
[16:10] <XDevHald> AlanBell: Are you running a custom icon theme or the standard theme?
[16:10] <AlanBell> XDevHald: standard icon theme
[16:10] <mbc2000> i have no icons in system menu, too
[16:10] <AlanBell> the top level of the system menu has no icons for me, down in the preferences list there are icons
[16:11] <XDevHald> AlanBell: Check System > Appearance > Interface Tab and click on Show Icons in Menus
[16:11] <XDevHald> You may have this already checked
[16:11] <XDevHald> Try a different theme is you can for testing.
[16:12] <AlanBell> XDevHald: cool, that fixed it
[16:12] <XDevHald> Excellent.
[16:12] <mbc2000> XDevHald: me, too
[16:12] <XDevHald> Excellent. :-)
[16:12] <AlanBell> XDevHald: is the default right, that makes 3 people without it
[16:12] <AlanBell> and my other karmic box for that matter
[16:13] <XDevHald> So other boxes have the same issue?
[16:13] <djdarkman> is DeviceKit a server or what>
[16:13] <djdarkman> ?
[16:13] <XDevHald> djdarkman: Someone will be with you to help you.
[16:13] <AlanBell> XDevHald: yup, I count 4 boxes so far
[16:14] <djdarkman> ok XDevHald , I am hoping for the best
[16:15] <XDevHald> AlanBell: Make sure the same option is checked on all boxes, and make sure you have the latest GTK engine installed.
[16:15] <XDevHald> AlanBell: Should be 1:2.18.2-1ubuntu1
[16:16] <XDevHald> AlanBell: Side note - Update with your Update Manager in System > Administration > Update Manager and check for the latest repo updates for Karmic. A few came out from the stream yesterday and today.
[16:16] <AlanBell> yes, latest gtk engine installed here
[16:18] <XDevHald> One moment, my 1 year old son just woke up from his nap and sounds like a monkey shaking his crib.
[16:19] <AlanBell> XDevHald: I used to have one of them. They get louder after a few years
[16:19] <XDevHald> hehe
[16:19] <natewiebe13> Regarding the user switch applet showing the username and not full name.. they said they arent going to change that because showing the full name cluttered the panel with text.. first, there is only the menu, and the taskbar/time on the top panel, so there is tons of room.. second.. what is the point of having a full name then?
[16:20] <AlanBell> XDevHald: I will create a new user on this box and see what the menu looks like
[16:20] <XDevHald> Best decision for this kind of issue. Sounds good Alan.
[16:21] <djdarkman> brb
[16:21] <BluesKaj> XDevHald, system settings / aboutme / paths on kde , on gnome it's the equivalent , whatever that may be :)
[16:22] <XDevHald> Hehe, BlueKaj, already had that on my list of the todo ;-) thanks for the note.
[16:22] <XDevHald> Found it in the mail-in-list from Ubuntu
[16:22] <BluesKaj> well, it took me a while find it myself , XDevHald
[16:23] <XDevHald> Agreed. Took me 15 mins :-p
[16:24] <XDevHald> BluesKaj: Does your Display icon sit on the menu?
[16:26] <mbc2000> does recovery mode on grub2 require a working xorg.conf?  i tweaked mine yesterday and had to use a live cd to revert it.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> XDevHald, Display icon ? I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:27] <XDevHald> Sorry BluesKaj. When you open your Display option for the screen resolution, It sits in my tray menu area with a monitor like icon showing a yellow and gray display colors in the middle of it.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> oh i see , no I have a system settings Icon in the panel
[16:28] <XDevHald> hmm
[16:28] <XDevHald> Can't even close the thing either.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> XDevHald, gnome desktop ?
[16:29] <XDevHald> Correct
[16:29] <BluesKaj> ahh, kde here
[16:29]  * BluesKaj considers adding gnome for info only ;)
[16:30] <commander_> hey does anyone have the latest version on Banshee? and how can i get track added to my library via Last FM?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> adding gnome will screw up my menu list
[16:31] <sageNsand> Using Empathy in a IRC chat room for a while the scroll bar gets relative short. I notice the chat room screen stops rolling upward and the scroll bar starts to creep upward and that means I can't see the most recent text posted in the room, I have to keep dragging it down to see the new posts. I can select clear from the menu but in a short time it starts creeping up again. This also happened with Pidgin in my 9.04 box. Has anyone exp
[16:31] <sageNsand> erienced the same?
[16:31] <spooky_d> Hi guys. How do I set Windows to boot default in this new grub?
[16:32] <XDevHald> No worries BluesKaj
[16:33] <mbc2000> spooky_d:  i used 'sudo apt-get install startupmanager' and used StartUp-Manager under System|Administration
[16:34] <spooky_d> mbc2000: thanks a lot :)
[16:34] <AlanBell> XDevHald: did the update-manager dist upgrade then created a new user - the new user doesn't have the menu icons by default
[16:35] <BluesKaj> startupmanager edits grub/boot
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:35] <XDevHald> Yeah it's an option the Karmic devs placed
[16:35] <XDevHald> AlanBell ^
[16:35] <AlanBell> it is intentional??
[16:35] <XDevHald> AlanBell: This should and hopefully will be fixed by the full release
[16:36] <AlanBell> ok, do I need to file a bug?
[16:36] <XDevHald> From some devs, yes so they can fix a few bugs in the menu
[16:36] <XDevHald> Nah, it's not needed as it's forwarded upstream for development.
[16:36] <AlanBell> ok, thanks very much
[16:37] <XDevHald> Anytime Alan :-)
[16:37] <amortvigil> hello kan anyone help me with karmic on mac grub?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> !ask | amortvigil
[16:39] <spooky_d> mbc2000: seems to work, I will test it right now, thanks a lot :)
[16:40] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, if i knew the error i would be so happy to ask it, how do i configure grub on karmic for macbook 5.1 with rEFIt?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, have you just upgraded from repos or clean install ?
[16:41] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, clean install
[16:41] <amortvigil> it installed grub-pc
[16:41] <amortvigil> but i need grub-efi ithink
[16:41] <BluesKaj> karmic ?
[16:41] <drs305> mbc2000: Here's a crude hack to name your Windows entry "Windows Server 2003 R2".    http://paste.ubuntu.com/281422/
[16:41] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, yes karmic
[16:42] <mbc2000> thanks drs305.  startupmanager just wiped the change i made.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> ok amortvigil ,first of all,  sudo update-grub
[16:43] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, did it many times also update-grub2
[16:43] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, refit sees there is another bootable artition
[16:43] <amortvigil> partition
[16:43] <joaopinto> is startupmanager grub2 compatible ?
[16:43] <amortvigil> when i enter it
[16:43] <BluesKaj> no just  update-grub
[16:43] <amortvigil> i get te message "no operationsystem"
[16:43] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, both
[16:44]  * Crashbit se larga a tomar una birra!
[16:44] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, use a partition editor, like GParted live cd,  to make your karmic partiton the 'boot' partition
[16:45] <amortvigil> BluesKaj, sure i wont destroy osx?
[16:46] <mbc2000> joaopinto: startupmanager is listing my grub2 entries and lets me set a default.
[16:46] <drs305> joaopinto: Parts of startupmanager work, but not all functions.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, no it will merely flag the partiton, not destroy it
[16:46] <drs305> Nothing in SUM will mess it up though.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, you won't be formatting anything , just putting a flag on the partion that grub or the mbr will see as the partition to load as default, unless otherwise chosen by you.
[16:57] <mbc2000> drs305: don't want to reboot, but your fix shows the text in startupmanager. thanks.
[17:11] <maccam94> does anyone else have an issue with the user switcher applet no longer reflecting pidgin's status?
[17:12] <Martyn> Yep.
[17:12] <Martyn> Same
[17:13] <drs305> mbc2000: You are welcome. Like I said, it isn't elegant but it seems to work.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Can anyone test for me if they can drag/drop a video onto the 'mplayer' gui or video display and have it load the video?
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> it works on Some machines i have and not others.. (or else im crazy) :)
[17:28] <ni1s> hmm.. kubuntu .10 feels less "snappy"
[17:29] <Technoviking> Anyone else get stuck at 83% during the install of Alpha 6?
[17:34] <Martyn> No
[17:34] <Martyn> Technoviking: That sounds like you have a corrupt image.
[17:34] <Martyn> Technoviking: Did you let the CD do a self-check (check crc's)
[17:36] <guntbert> Technoviking: better still check the image before burning
[17:36] <guntbert> !md5 | Technoviking
[17:36] <Technoviking> I think it was the encryption of the home dir
[17:37] <Guest32522> I'm wondering wheter Qt 4.5.3 will be in karmic? It would solve an ugly bug in qwebkit.
[17:39] <ni1s> right, enabling BackingStore helped, why the hell is this disabled by default?!
[17:43] <mbc2000> how do i remove an unmounted partition from 'Places'?  'Remove' is greyed out in nautilus.
[17:48] <larsemil> Is the linux_sta driver from broadcom included in karmic?
[17:48] <scoop21> Hi people,
[17:49] <Technoviking> larsemil: yes
[17:49] <larsemil> Technoviking: what name?
[17:49] <Technoviking> broadcom STA, in is loadable under hardware drivers
[17:50] <larsemil> Technoviking: how do i activate that from terminal?
[17:50] <Technoviking> larsemil: not sure how
[17:51] <larsemil> me neither. :)
[17:51] <scoop21> can anybody help me with the pm-utils aka acpi problem in karmic? The laptop Samsung R50 goes immadiatly in standby or hilbernate if i plug in/out battery or ac.
[17:52] <ali1234> how do i get back the grub menu on karmic?
[17:52] <scoop21> but in jaunty i haven't any problem with it, and in the wiki and forums i can't find help
[17:53] <maccam94> ali1234: if you've switched to grub2, hold down shift instead of hitting escape
[17:53] <joaopinto> scoop21, the best place for bug help is launchpad, not forums and wikis :P
[17:54] <ali1234> i've clean installed karmic, so probably. cheers
[17:54] <maccam94> ali1234: yup that would do it
[17:54] <scoop21> yes, i was there too
[17:56] <mbeierl> maccam94: do you know if there is a way to have the menu always show up (ie: by default)?  While I'm still in the alpha/beta stages I find it handy to easily choose the kernel rev to boot
[17:56] <maccam94> mbeierl: you would need to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:56] <mbeierl> anyone know why ubuntu-desktop is being held back?
[17:56] <mbeierl> maccam94: not /etc/default/grub?!?
[17:57] <djdarkman> is there some way to make DeviceKit work?
[17:57] <maccam94> mbeierl: oh yeah, edit that file and then run sudo update-grub
[17:57] <maccam94> djdarkman: what doesn't work?
[17:57] <djdarkman> it's kind of anoying that hotpluggint USB devices doesn't work
[17:58] <mbeierl> maccam94: but I don't see what option to change in the /etc/default/grub.  that's my problem :(
[17:58] <maccam94> djdarkman: wfm
[17:58] <scoop21> joaopinto, i put a bugreport ten days before but i haven't any answer yet
[17:58] <larsemil> Technoviking: running jockey-gtk from ssh forwarding solved the issue: :)
[17:58] <djdarkman> maccam94: absolutely nothing after boot
[17:58] <Technoviking> larsemil: excellent
[17:58] <djdarkman> if I plug in something before I boot my system, than it works, if I plug in after than it won't work
[17:59] <djdarkman> this bug is at least a month old
[17:59] <mbeierl> djdarkman: I can hotplug here - 64b gnome, up to date.  been able to since I first tried the alpha a week or so back now
[18:00] <mbeierl> djdarkman: usb mouse, external usb hd are examples
[18:00] <djdarkman> and I heard that it's because of yet another new technology called DeviceKit
[18:00] <djdarkman> well I can't
[18:00] <djdarkman> and lsusb and dmesg are useless...
[18:00] <mbeierl> djdarkman: reported a bug on it yet?
[18:00] <djdarkman> mbeierl: done, but nobody cared
[18:00] <scoop21> standby after plugging in / out battery or ac, does anybody have problem on laptops or notbooks? karmic
[18:01] <mbeierl> scoop21: not here on my dell d620 laptop. no standby event
[18:01] <djdarkman> how can I debug this hot new DeviceKit?
[18:02] <djdarkman> how can I tell what's the problem with it?
[18:02] <mbeierl> scoop21: I do have it erroneously think I have two batteries or something as when I unplug my fully charged battery is immediately at 49% :)
[18:02] <maccam94> djdarkman: i think hotplug is handled by udev...
[18:03] <djdarkman> maccam94: and is there a way to debug that?
[18:03] <maccam94> check dmesg to see if the device is detected?
[18:04] <djdarkman> maccam94: nothing
[18:04] <maccam94> then either udev is dying, it has a bad rule, or your usb port is bad
[18:04] <mbeierl> lsusb?
[18:04] <maccam94> that too
[18:04] <djdarkman> maccam94: than why does it work at boot?
[18:04] <scoop21> mbeierl: i have 89% full battery after i plug it in or out while i'm on ac the system goes down, its realy bad
[18:05] <maccam94> djdarkman: do other usb devices work?
[18:05] <djdarkman> maccam94: nothing at all
[18:05] <djdarkman> even my built in webcam has issues
[18:05] <maccam94> then maybe your usb host driver isn't getting loaded
[18:06] <maccam94> djdarkman: are you sure your system is fully updated?
[18:06] <djdarkman> yes maccam94
[18:06] <djdarkman> maybe todays update is not yet installed
[18:07] <djdarkman> is there an easy way of identifying problems like these or this is a gues game?
[18:08] <djdarkman> I mean something that would tell me what's going on
[18:08] <maccam94> djdarkman: it sounds like your usb host driver isn't getting loaded
[18:08] <djdarkman> maccam94: how can I check that out?
[18:08] <maccam94> so either there's a problem with the kernel module, or udev isn't loading it
[18:09] <phoenixz> on 9.10, I want to try to play DVD video but I cant, tells me encrypted DVD's.. What package needs to be installed from that from what repo? I tried apt-cache search but I couldn't find anythighn like libdvdcss
[18:09] <dajhorn> !medibuntu | phoenixz
[18:10] <maccam94> djdarkman: lspci, find the usb controller line, find the kernel module associated with it, and try loading it manually
[18:11] <djdarkman> maccam94: but my keyboard and mouse are working at the moment, is that driver only responsible for pluging them in after boot?
[18:11] <diverse_izzue> phoenixz, good that you're trying to play dvd's, i was running into trouble the other day and couldn't find anybody to reproduce... which application are you using?
[18:11] <maccam94> djdarkman: ...you said none of your usb devices were working
[18:12] <djdarkman> maccam94: I said none of them work if I plug them in after turning on my system
[18:12] <djdarkman> maccam94: if I plug them in before I power on my system, than they work
[18:12] <maccam94> you misunderstood the question then, nvm
[18:12] <djdarkman> maccam94: if I take one out, and plug it back in right away, it doesn't work anymore
[18:13] <maccam94> djdarkman: do you see a disconnect event in dmesg?
[18:13] <djdarkman> I think yes maccam94, but no connect event after
[18:16] <roffe> I have no idea if this is for karmic or jaunty, but i was trying to install xbmc and it gave me an error saying it couldn't install a few dependencies
[18:17] <robin0800> Bug or error ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/281486/
[18:18] <maccam94> roffe: are you running karmic or jaunty?
[18:18] <roffe> karmic
[18:18] <maccam94> roffe: well if it says it needs some dependencies, look through synaptic for (name)-dev packages
[18:18] <maccam94> you might be able to get more help in #xbmc-linux
[18:19] <roffe> maccam94, Thanks, I'll ask there
[18:22] <scoop21> does anybody use karmic on a laptop with one battery and without a problem at plugging in and out the battery?
[18:22] <fanf> hello guys
[18:22] <fanf> So, I have a wireless problem, with network manager. "enable wireless" is always greyed, but I can connect with iwconfig essid ... / dhclient etc
[18:22] <maccam94> fanf: did you have the wifi switch off at bootup?
[18:22] <maccam94> (the hardware kill switch)
[18:23] <fanf> maccam94: no, it was on (I tried both)
[18:23] <scoop21> where the laptop notebook guys? :)
[18:23] <maccam94> scoop21: i'm away from a power outlet atm
[18:23] <fanf> maccam94: but actually, I can make wifi work by hand, it's just network manager that doesn't want to list wifi
[18:23] <dael99> scoop21: i'm trying this right now
[18:24] <dael99> scoop21: battery out, no problem...
[18:24] <maccam94> fanf: i know, i have that issue if i have the wifi turned off at bootup and then turn it on afterwards
[18:24] <fanf> ho, ok, strange
[18:24] <dael99> scoop21: battery in, no problem..
[18:25] <dael99> scoop21: power cable out, no problem-.
[18:25] <scoop21> ok, i'm very sad about that, i think i'm the only one with the standby problem
[18:25] <scoop21> hmmm?
[18:25] <dael99> scoop21: which kinkd of troubles are you getting.
[18:26] <fanf> maccam94: and if you boot with the switch on, the "enable wireless" is not grayed ?
[18:26] <scoop21> dael99: but if i install jaunty again, a haven't any problem
[18:26] <maccam94> fanf: correct
[18:26] <maccam94> fanf: try keeping your wireless enabled, remove the wireless kernel module, load it again, restart networking, restart network-manager
[18:26] <dael99> (does anybody knows how to control the WifiLED behaviour, it's always on!!)
[18:26] <maccam94> (remember to use upstart, not init.d now)
[18:27] <atrus> i'm playing around with the new indicator stuff. Is there a mail checker/notifier other than evolution I can use?
[18:27] <fanf>  also tried that
[18:27] <fanf> aaaaahhhhh
[18:27] <fanf> I used init.d
[18:27] <fanf> hum, well, actually it seems that there are only symlink
[18:27] <mbeierl> maccam94: where do we find info on upstart vs. init.d?  Like how do I restart gdm?
[18:28] <scoop21> dael99: since i installed karmic my laptop (Samsung R-50) goes down (standby or hilbernate) if i plug in/out battery while Ac is plugged in.
[18:28] <atrus> also, I don't seem to get notifications when I receive new messages... or a message count, or list of new messages, without actually opening evolution. Is this normal?
[18:29] <dael99> scoop21: try to fill a bug, doesn't happen to me, so, i don't have a clue how to work this out.
[18:29] <scoop21> dael99: the same if i plugged in or out ac while battery is plugged in
[18:29] <maccam94> mbeierl: service (servicename) (command)
[18:29] <maccam94> (all the services are fully lowercase now as well)
[18:29] <phoenixz> diverse_izzue: mplayer, dragon, xine, kmplayer, smplayer, vlc, there are lots of em..
[18:31] <diverse_izzue> i know. i had totem hanging and vlc spitting out errors. let me know how it goes for you
[18:31] <scoop21> dael99: yes, i fill a bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/432838
[18:31] <fanf> well, maccam94, I'm less lucky than you, nothing of the above works... I will wait for a better dist-upgrade
[18:31] <scoop21> ubottu: that is my bug
[18:32] <Pici> scoop21: ubottu us a bot
[18:32] <scoop21> ahh thanks
[18:32] <maccam94> fanf: you reloaded the module, ran service networking restart, and service network-manager restart?
[18:32] <fanf> I'm no more lucky with wicd-client... It gets the wireless list correctly, but can't make dhclient work (wpa works, and then froze on "wainting for an ip adress")
[18:32] <fanf> maccam94: yep
[18:33] <scoop21> i'm newby in irc thinks
[18:33] <fanf> and reboot with the swith on
[18:33] <fanf> (and one other time with the switch off, to be sure :)
[18:34] <maccam94> strange
[18:34] <maccam94> fanf: which wifi driver?
[18:34] <fanf> wl (broadcom 4322 not free)
[18:34] <maccam94> oh
[18:35] <maccam94> yuck
[18:35] <fanf> but the drivers seems to work great, since I'm actually connected
[18:35] <fanf> but thanks to iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient
[18:36] <desja004> will a preview of gnome3 be in 9.10?
[18:37] <desja004> or available ...
[18:37] <Veinor> my ar9285 keeps dropping my wireless connection
[18:40] <desja004> for example, the new gnome wm
[18:40] <trijntje> Will empathy start automatically in karmic? It adds itself to startup applications in jaunty when you install it. I think thats unpleasantly like winows applications
[18:41] <fanf> well, I will be waiting for better times
[18:41] <fanf> ciao guys, and maccam94 thank you for the time spent !
[18:42] <desja004> trijntje: i agree ... start up apps by default, in general, are not a good thing. i want my computer snappy and responsive when i login not already bogged down with apps i won't/might not be using during a session
[18:45] <trijntje> desja004, is there somewhere I could send a petition? ;)
[18:46] <bittin> Hello do anyone knows how to do the apt-cache bigger?
[18:46] <desja004> trijntje: probably launchpad
[18:47] <desja004> trijntje: but it's definitely a wishlist bug b/c you could disable those apps
[18:50] <trijntje> desja004, true, but it's still a bad thing. I think ill add a bugreport about it sometime
[18:51] <desja004> i agree with you
[18:57] <XDevHald> Who knows how to recover deleted emails from Evolution?
[19:03] <bittin> got it to work now :)
[19:04] <bittin> Wizzup: 21
[19:05] <Wizzup> ?
Why do Evolution devs think that HTML mail is a useless feature and refuse to work on it - when I am required to have HTML signature for my corporate email?  Isn't Evo supposed to be aiming itself at corporate usage?!? </rant>
[19:21] <mbeierl> sorry - just had to get that off my chest
[19:24] <dwatkins> mbeierl: according to the original RFC, e-mail should be in plain text and have a 4-line signature
[19:24] <mbeierl> dwatkins: hee hee :)
[19:25] <dwatkins> mbeierl: I try to adhere to the spirit of that RFC and always send e-mail in plain text
[19:26] <mbeierl> dwatkins: while I agree, I also use Ubuntu in the corporate environment and sometimes there are policies which violate the RFC...
[19:27] <dwatkins> mbeierl: I also use ubuntu in a corporate environment (I use thunderbird to connect to an exchange server via IMAP), and technically I'm required to include a large disclaimer at the bottom of my e-mails, but I understand the disclaimer is essentially pointless because it's not legally binding (I am not a lawyer, however)
[19:28] <DanaG> It's especially silly when those "this is confidential" disclaimers get sent to public mailing lists.
[19:28] <mbeierl> dwatkins: that's why I use Thunderbird too.  Problem is that Thunderbird (or actually sunbird) cannot do calendar integration using the Outlook Web Access, so my "corporate" calendar is not properly kept up to date and I occasionally am called to task about that.
[19:29] <dwatkins> mbeierl: I have the same problem, although I'm not expected to use my exchange calendar, so the lightning plugin (i.e. sunbird iirc) suffices for me
[19:29] <mbeierl> So, in order to use Ubuntu in my corporate env, I am wedged between towing corporate line on email format and towing corporate line on keeping others informed of my availability
[19:30] <mbeierl> dwatkins: funny the things we do just to entertain ourselves with technology.  I mean, really I /could/ use Windows XP, it's just that fundamentally I am more productive using Linux.
[19:31] <dwatkins> could you use OWA for the calendar, mbeierl? I know it defeats the point a little
[19:31] <dwatkins> I started using XP in my current job, then discovered that linux is infinitely more stable etc. and switched
[19:32] <mbeierl> dwatkins: yes, that's what I do, but it's still going between two products (firefox and thunderbird) to manage what MS Outlook/Exchange users can all in one product.  It makes me feel... weak?
[19:33] <slytherin> anyone using moovida here on karmic?
[19:33] <dwatkins> I agree, mbeierl - it would be nice if there were a plugin for thunderbird which actually interfaced with exchange's calendar
[19:34] <xguru> when i go to System>Admin>Printer then right click properties on active printer and try and print a test page it says "Cups server error: There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'
[19:34] <xguru> any ideas?
[19:35] <xguru> printed fine before the upgrade to karmic.  Im fully updated and haven't herd of this issue
[19:36] <mbeierl> xguru: sorry - just tried - fresh install here - just added new printer (networked) and test page went fine
[19:37] <slytherin> can anyone please try reproducing this error in moovda - bug 422807
[19:37] <xguru> hmm...
[19:40] <vigo> Is there still a dpkg fix or somesuch in terminal?
[19:41] <yofel> vigo: fix for what?
[19:41] <xguru> mbeierl: i did "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart" then deleted and reinstalled the printer and it works......sorry for the bother...i should have investigated it alittle more :/
[19:42] <aelyr> I'm having a problem with udev. It's not recognizing my canon mp 220 printer as a printer, but as a mass storage device( card reader) . Can I force it somehow ?
[19:42] <mbeierl> xguru: not a problem.  I just wanted to let you know that it was not an across the board problem :)
[19:43] <slytherin> can anyone please try reproducing this problem - bug bug 422807 ?
[19:43] <vigo> yofel: Nothing really, just playing around with it to see what is working smooth.
[19:43] <mbeierl> slytherin: I have no idea what moovida is, sorry :(
[19:44] <slytherin> mbeierl: It is successor to elisa media player. It is available in repositories.
[19:45] <mbeierl> slytherin: installing now... eta 7 min
[19:45] <jbeitler|m> I have a Nvidia 7600go in my Lappy, does anyone have a trick to install teh nvidia drives, I know you need the patch for the 2.6.3x kernel, but I cant get the patch to take
[19:45] <slytherin> mbeierl: thanks
[19:45] <xguru> mbeierl: yea that was my main question.  I didn't want to spend alot of time with it if it was across the board
[19:45] <xguru> mbeierl: thanks :)
[19:45] <yofel> jbeitler|m: the nvidia drivers from the repository should work iirc
[19:45] <mbeierl> xguru: np... that's why we're all here...
[19:46] <slytherin> jbeitler|m: Why do you need to patch the kernel? Doesn't it work with drivers installed with help of jockey?
[19:46] <jbeitler|m> yofel: I tried that.. I got a black screen and had to boot to recovery to uninstall it
[19:46] <slytherin> jbeitler|m: which driver did you install?
[19:46] <jbeitler|m>  no its a patch for the Nvidia driver not the kernel
[19:46] <mbeierl> slytherin: background - laptop dell d620, 3g ram, 64 bit os, nvidia GeForce Go 7300, compiz enabled...
[19:47] <jbeitler|m> 186
[19:47] <mbeierl> slytherin: (while waiting for moovida)
[19:47] <jbeitler|m> sorry 185
[19:47] <yofel> jbeitler|m: and the rest? the complete version number please
[19:48] <jbeitler|m> yofel: 185.18.36)ubuntu3
[19:48] <nemo> heh. x² has odd behaviour in gnome calculator
[19:48] <yofel> hm, that one should work, there was a bug with black screens with the previous version, but that one works fine here.
[19:49] <nemo> hitting 2 then x² repeatedly yields 2²²² for 3 repetitions
[19:49] <yofel> (Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M)
[19:49] <jbeitler|m> 9.10 up to date as of about an hour ago?
[19:49] <jbeitler|m> the 185 driver should work?
[19:49] <nemo> which is not 2^8 but rather, in fact, 2^222 :)
[19:50] <mbeierl> nemo: you need to hit "=" for gnome-calc to perform the equation :)
[19:50] <nemo> mbeierl: yeah. is odd behaviour is all.
[19:50] <mbeierl> nemo: oh - I see what you mean
[19:50] <nemo> is in fact rather nonsensical behaviour
[19:50] <nemo> that would maaaybe be useful if you could do generic superscript
[19:50] <nemo> so you oculd type for example 2^324
[19:50] <nemo> could
[19:51] <vigo> Galculator?
[19:51] <nemo> mbeierl: it should either implicitly square as many calculators do, maybe by wrapping brackets, or treat it as higher levels of exponent each time
[19:51] <nemo> mbeierl: (implcitly do the =)
[19:51] <mifauna> buenas tardes
[19:51] <mbeierl> nemo: I see: 2²² = 4194304, which is what you get when you hit 2 and then x² twice
[19:51] <nemo> my typing sucks since my net connection is slow at the moment
[19:51] <todd> grub2 broken after update this morning poss due to intermtant internet state wide any reload guides no kernels are accessible win is working can i just reload grub?
[19:52] <nemo> mbeierl: yep :)  not very useful behaviour at all :)
[19:52] <DanaG> hmm, can someone tell me what Freenode said when I last left?
[19:52] <mbeierl> (02:28:48 PM) DanaG left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[19:52] <DanaG> Weird.
[19:52] <DanaG> So this network really is screwed up.
[19:53] <DanaG> And oddly enough, trying to ping either inwards (from outside) or outwards (from here)... actually HANGS.
[19:53] <DanaG> It doesn't time out... it actually hangs.
[19:53] <DanaG> And ignores ctrl-c.  And doesn't count the time it spent hung.
[19:55] <dwatkins> sounds like a name-lookup problem DanaG - how does nslookup or host cope with the name?
[19:55] <DanaG> I'm using the IP address directly.  And it even hangs in the middle of a "flood" ping.
[19:55] <DanaG> oh, and I've even tried with "-n".
[19:55] <slytherin> mbeierl: I will be back. Restart required.
[19:57] <joaopinto> driver issue
[20:00] <TLF> hello
[20:00] <TLF> do karmic include a GRUB manager (a GUI)?
[20:01] <drs305> No. StartUp-Manager can handle some but not all the functions it does for Grub Legacy. And there is improved theming. But no GUI.
[20:01] <drs305> At least not yet.
[20:02] <TLF> I see
[20:02] <TLF> well, I'm asking this because GRUB2 is far more complicated than legacy
[20:02] <TLF> so a GUI will ease things for a lot of users (even me, that I started using LILO 9 years ago)
[20:09] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[20:10] <mbeierl> I see slytherin entered ... but no longer here?  I've got "moovida" info for him...
[20:17] <krushia> how does one remove apport from karmic?
[20:18] <bjsnider> that's a wicked thought
[20:18] <mahfouz> did anybody notice that you get certain thumbnails flashing up around the area of the pointer in karmic, sometimes (not at all times) when I hover over links in firefox
[20:18] <krushia> i mean, how can i get kde's native bug report tool, dr konqi, back
[20:18] <mahfouz> but also in ubuntu desktop I believe
[20:18] <bjsnider> remove the bug reporting tool from a bugtesting distro
[20:18] <mahfouz> I don't know how to file a bug because it's difficult to describe, cannot make a screenshot either so I was asking here to check if the problem is known
[20:19] <mbeierl> slytherin: aha!  you're back
[20:19] <slytherin> yes
[20:19] <krushia> bjsnider: apport is causing nothing but trouble for me. i've disabled it in /etc/default/apport but it is still tainting kdelibs
[20:19] <mbeierl> slytherin: I get really strange display for the moovida - bottom parts of all text cut off
[20:20] <mbeierl> slytherin: then it tells me it needs to upgrade itself - at which point it core dumps
[20:20] <slytherin> he he, lot more problems than me.
[20:21] <mbeierl> slytherin: yep, sorry.  Did you want me to post the screenshot to the bug?
[20:22] <ellar> hello, when is the gdm login-facebrowser expected to land in karmic? in beta already?
[20:23] <gletob> Hey did yesterdays update's completley slow down everyone elses systems?
[20:23] <XDevHald> gletob: No
[20:23] <mbeierl> gletob: not here
[20:23] <XDevHald> gletob: Are you referring to the xorg update?
[20:24] <XDevHald> Or the GDM?
[20:24] <slytherin> mbeierl: Don't bother. I am doing it myself.
[20:24] <mahfouz> and nobody else seeing my flashes around the pointer area in karmic?
[20:24] <mahfouz> maybe once every 5min
[20:24] <gletob> XDevHald: That might be it.  A borked Xorg update would explain this.
[20:24] <Nattgew> mahfouz: no, i haven't noticed that...
[20:24] <slytherin> ellar: What face browser?
[20:24] <mbeierl> slytherin: sorry :) Just added my screen shot to the mix - so you can see the cut off menus.  But - if you look - you can see my icons do show up
[20:25] <XDevHald> gletob: That was my very first guess as it handles the backend and front as well for processing displays
[20:25] <mahfouz> Nattgew: I have intel video card, and you?
[20:25] <gletob> Yep 965GM
[20:25] <slytherin> mbeierl: have you tried disabling compiz?
[20:26] <mbeierl> slytherin: will do that now
[20:26] <Nattgew> mahfouz: yes. intel
[20:26] <cousteau> when will UNR Karmic be released? at the same time than the Desktop Edition, or maybe with a few weeks of delay?
[20:26] <XDevHald> cousteau: Expected on the 29th of next month.
[20:26] <mbeierl> slytherin: same display with metacity
[20:26] <rrva> how do I downgrade from upstart to sysvinit?
[20:26] <slytherin> hmm
[20:26] <slytherin> rrva: why do you want to do that?
[20:27] <cousteau> is there a UNR alpha already?
[20:27] <rrva> mountall(?) hangs boot process for me since upgrading to upstart from sysvinit. I have cryptdisks, swap never gets activated and fs are read-only. What could be the problem?
[20:28] <slytherin> rrva: you should file a bug. reverting to sysvinit will probably need more work than getting mountall fixed.
[20:28] <cousteau> never mind; already found it
[20:28] <rrva> slytherin: i would file but I only have console. Also X broke
[20:29] <mbeierl> slytherin: navigating shows all menus, etc, all fonts seem too large for space allocated and then bottoms are chopped off.  but icons are all present.  for me it might just be bad DPI setting (karmic changed the DPI detection so it defaults to 96 again)
[20:29] <slytherin> rrva: You can discuss the problem on #ubuntu-devel
[20:30] <lassegul> hi guys. ubiquity seems to crash at about 95%, about the time i install grub. this is what syslog says, logfile a bit long, but its at the end: http://pastebin.com/me28e3db
[20:30] <slytherin> mbeierl: I am adding few more screenshots all displaying strange behaviour. I am now wondering if this is a moovida problem at all.
[20:30] <lassegul> what can i do to troubleshoot this?
[20:31] <lassegul> traceback starts at line 4890
[20:32] <ellar> slytherin, like the images at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser
[20:32] <lassegul> installation from usb SD-card reader - worked fine on another computer.
[20:33] <Nattgew> ellar: that looks cool, i haven't seen that before
[20:33] <slytherin> ellar: There is face browser but not with all the eye candy on that page
[20:33] <ellar> Nattgew, thats why i asked for ;-)
[20:34] <Nattgew> ellar: launchpad says slow progress...
[20:35] <Nattgew> it's not targeted for karmic
[20:35] <ellar> yeah, unfortunately
[20:44] <Nattgew> I think it's from the community themes... in my desktop backgrounds I noticed a "series" of images... it looks like a stack...
[20:45] <Nattgew> is there some way to make or use that kind of thing with nautilus?
[20:48] <Guest77038> can anyone point in the direction of how to upgrade my kernal?
[20:48] <KnifeySpooney> to which version?
[20:48] <Guest77038>  I am using a server on rackspace cloud and it has the 2.6.24-24-xen kernal
[20:48] <Guest77038> but the install is 9.04
[20:48] <KnifeySpooney> you want to upgrade to 2.6.21-11?
[20:48] <Pici> Guest77038: This channel is only for Karmic (9.10) support.
[20:48] <Pici> You just asked in #ubuntu-server, so best thing to do would be to be patient there.
[20:49] <mbeierl> Guest77038: you want "#ubuntu", not "#ubuntu+1"...
[20:49] <Guest77038> sorry.
[20:56] <mbeierl> Yay!  Tab completion when cmdline contains spaces is fixed :)
[20:56] <dwatkins> does bash record commands starting with a space in the history yet, too, mbeierl?
[21:15] <DanaG> weird... 2.6.31-11-generic won't associate to open access points.
[21:15] <DanaG> that is, with the backports-modules at least.
[21:23] <Nattgew> DanaG, what wireless do you have?
[21:23] <DanaG> Intel 5300.
[21:29] <iddo> after apt-upgrade i fail to boot even in recovery mode, it gets stuck and i can only do ctrl+alt+del
[21:29] <iddo> i tried to chroot from live cd and do apt-get grade, but it didnt help
[21:29] <iddo> any ideas?
[21:30] <iddo> i meant apt-get upgrade
[21:31] <BluesKaj> iddo, can you get to a TTY prompt . ctrl+alt+f1 then upgrade ?
[21:31] <iddo> i dont have access, only ctrl+alt+del works
[21:32] <iddo> ctrl+alt+f# stay in black screens
[21:32] <iddo> but like i said, i chroot from livecd and did upgrade there
[21:32] <iddo> didnt help:(
[21:33] <iddo> seems to me to be related to X being started earlier during boot
[21:34] <iddo> but it's weird because it happens also in recovery mode, that shouldnt launch X, i think?
[21:34] <iddo> any ideas?
[21:35] <BluesKaj> iddo, blck scrn yes , but is there prompt like iddo@ubuntu~$ or some such ?
[21:35] <BluesKaj> like the konsole or terminal , iddo
[21:35] <iddo> there's flashing underscore, but no keyboard access at all
[21:36] <BluesKaj> ok, had to know
[21:36] <iddo> only keyboard combo that i could get to work is ctrl+alt+del
[21:37] <iddo> maybe i should apt-get remove something from chroot livecd ?
[21:37] <iddo> or any other ideas?
[21:38] <phoenixz> iddo: Maybe there is an apt-get option that can return all packages to their previous version?
[21:39] <BluesKaj>  iddo , a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data if you use the manual partitoning option on your /  partition. That's how I rescued my install from disaster , you may need to reinstall some apps but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.
[21:40] <iddo> u mean manual reinstall to same partition will keep entire home dir ?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> yes
[21:41] <BluesKaj> it worked for me twice
[21:41] <iddo> ok but i'll be kinda scared to count on that, i'll probably also backup some files before
[21:42] <iddo> but i wonder if i can try something without reinstall....
[21:46] <BluesKaj> iddo, well I was stuck , I had already backed up my data on another OS .
[21:47] <puddles> iddo: are you stuck in bootloader or did the kernel already load?
[21:48] <iddo> yes kernel loads, i get many boot messages, and then it switches to black screen
[21:48] <puddles> iddo: why not boot to runlevel 1?
[21:48] <iddo> how?
[21:49] <puddles> iddo: if using grub, edit the kernel line and add a single digit "1" to the end of the parameter
[21:49] <iddo> to recovery mode ?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:49] <puddles> what?
[21:50] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, buenos noces to you too :)
[21:50] <iddo> to normal ubuntu menu item of grub menu, or recovery mode item?
[21:52] <puddles> iddo: normal item, the change is not permanent if you do it during booting (as the computer boots, press <esc>, then press <e> to edit, etc.)
[21:52] <iddo> i tried now, added 1 to normal item, still it goes to black screen, but faster
[21:53] <puddles> iddo: ok, add "init=/bin/bash", what do you get?
[21:54] <iddo> if i add nomodeset bootcode then the boot msgs stay on screen instead of black screen, but still no keyboard access
[21:54] <iddo> ok trying init=/bin/bash
[21:54] <puddles> iddo: oh, perhaps it tries to switch to graphics mode that your card doesn't like
[21:54] <puddles> iddo: wait
[21:54] <puddles> iddo: try "vga=normal" first
[21:54] <iddo> ok
[21:54] <iddo> ok
[21:55] <iddo> says deprecated
[21:56] <iddo> use gfxpayload=text instead
[21:56] <iddo> still i wonder how come it fails even in recovery mode
[21:56] <puddles> iddo: sure, you just want to disable fbconsole and use text mode, just in case
[21:56] <iddo> because recovery mode doesnt try to load X
[21:57] <iddo> so which bootcodes to try now?
[21:57] <iddo> should i add 1 runlevel too?
[21:57] <puddles> iddo: we weren't talking about X ... fbconsole is different from X, but still graphical
[21:57]  * DanaG wishes we had 2.6.32.  =þ
[21:57] <DanaG> and r600 KMS.
[21:57] <iddo> recovery mode uses anything graphical ?
[21:59] <puddles> iddo: i like how you think
[21:59] <iddo> i tried gfxpayload=text and runlevel 1, still black screen
[22:01] <DanaG> hmm, what video driver is loading?
[22:01] <iddo> supposed to be intel
[22:01] <DanaG> you could try radeon.goaway=1  (it doesn't matter what you put instead of "goaway", as long as it's actually an invalid parameter.)
[22:01] <iddo> i915
[22:01] <DanaG> ah.
[22:01] <mythomaniac> i'm a little taken back on how bug filing works with lunchpad.... for one there seems to be a lot of old bug, and two there seems to be a lot of those bugs which never get tagged (severity level) which i assume as not being looked at - do the ubuntu devs actually look at those bugs being reported?
[22:02] <puddles> iddo: i forgot if the fbcon parameter is fbcon=no or fbcon=none ... try it with "fbcon=no vga=normal 1"
[22:02] <iddo> ok
[22:02] <DanaG> anyway, the idea is to apply an invalid option.
[22:02] <DanaG> that'll prevent i915 from loading.
[22:03] <puddles> iddo: if control-alt-delete works then your kernel really didn't die so it's likely not a hard lockup
[22:04] <iddo> i still get black screen
[22:04] <puddles> iddo: to confirm, if you still get black screen, i would try to log in blind (log in as root, type in password, wait a second or two and type in "eject" then if your cdrom tray ejects then you know you're seeing black screen because of bad video mode)
[22:05] <iddo> it's eee pc, no cdrom
[22:05] <iddo> i can try to type reboot
[22:05] <puddles> iddo: or perhaps log in blind, then try to play MP3 song or something
[22:05] <dutchie> what's going on here? Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox-3.5
[22:06] <dutchie> Seeing it on boot and either side of AppArmor starting/stopping
[22:06] <iddo> i tried, i see login/pwd i type on screen, but doesnt seem to have effect if i try to type reboot etvc
[22:06] <iddo> etc
[22:07] <iddo> i also see apparmor msgs on boot
[22:08] <puddles> iddo: hmmm ... hmmm ... the plot thickens.  so you do have video, kernel is alive, but no /bin/login?  hmm.  what about switching console?  (ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2, etc. up to f8 or so?)
[22:08] <iddo> last msgs i see are some audit operations
[22:08] <iddo> ctrl+alt+f# stay in black screens
[22:08] <puddles> iddo: time to boot it with init=/bin/bash :-)
[22:09] <iddo> only way i managed to avoid the blank black screen is nomodeset bootcode
[22:09] <iddo> ahh ok
[22:09] <iddo> trying
[22:09] <DanaG> hmm, do you have a spare computer around?  if so, try setting up ssh, and all that.
[22:09] <n1ckr> What are the common reasons for slow boot (nearly twice Jaunty for me) ?
[22:09] <DanaG> ssh servers are a very useful thing to have on development boxes.
[22:09] <diverse_izzue> dutchie, i think that's supposed to be so - firefox is shipped with an apparmor profile but it's not enabled by defualt
[22:09] <dutchie> is there a reason for that? seems stupid..
[22:10] <n1ckr> I've managed to shave 6s by removing couchdb
[22:10] <DanaG> couchdb?  is that like a database of furniture?  =þ
[22:10] <puddles> n1ckr: try bootchart?
[22:10] <iddo> that worked ! using just init=/bin/bash bootcode
[22:10] <iddo> now what... :)
[22:10] <n1ckr> puddles, I have...
[22:10] <puddles> iddo: something is screwed in your init sequence :-)  i dunno ... check?  heh heh, sorry
[22:11] <n1ckr> udev seems to sit and wait for 6s, but not sure what i can do about that
[22:11] <puddles> iddo: init=/bin/bash means bypassing the normal init daemon and just gives you a shell directly, this is bad for your system (shutdown / reboot will be unclean)
[22:11] <n1ckr> even taking that 6s off still would be over 20s boot, where jaunty was 14s
[22:11] <puddles> iddo: however, it'll work for emergencies
[22:11] <DanaG> Same for me.
[22:11] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-8.png
[22:11] <iddo> trying to get network access
[22:12] <diverse_izzue> dutchie, it's new and people think it needs more testing before being enabled by default
[22:12] <iddo> i see eth0 in ifconfig -a
[22:12] <iddo> but dhcpclient doesnt exist?
[22:12] <puddles> iddo: ifconfig it manually then, or run dhcpcd perhaps?
[22:13] <dutchie> diverse_izzue: ah, ok
[22:13] <larsemil> flashplugin broken?
[22:13] <diverse_izzue> dutchie, if you wanna help, enable it and report issues if you have some
[22:13] <iddo> sbin/dhcpclient exists, hmm gives msgs about read-only filesystem
[22:13] <puddles> iddo: mount -o rw,remount /
[22:14] <n1ckr> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9048/riverkarmic200909299.png
[22:14] <larsemil> hey guys, installing flashplugin-nonfree does not give me flash support in firefox..? is it a bug or do i do anything wrong?
[22:15] <iddo> puddles: that worked, i now have network access
[22:15] <iddo> doing apt-get update
[22:15] <iddo> but i already did it before from livecd chroot
[22:15] <legend2440> i just installed karmic. i'm getting grub error. i'm using karmic livecd. how do i fix this?
[22:16] <KnifeySpooney> larsemil: Maybe try installing from source - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[22:16] <legend2440> grub error  15
[22:17] <n1ckr> larsemil, does flash show up as a plugin in FF ?
[22:17] <iddo> maybe i should try to apt-get remove something ?
[22:17] <puddles> iddo: possible, it's up to you now :-)  i don't know the exact specifics of your situation but i got you to this point
[22:18] <scoop21> Hi guys in the hous,
[22:18] <scoop21> e
[22:18] <larsemil> n1ckr: no not at all
[22:18] <puddles> larsemil: did you restart firefox?
[22:20] <scoop21> does anybody knows about problems with pm-utils and acpi on laptops?
[22:20] <larsemil> puddles: yes
[22:21] <scoop21> that laptops goes standby if battery plugged in or out while ac plugged in?
[22:21] <n1ckr> larsemil, how did you install, did you notice if flashplugin downloaded ?
[22:22] <duffydack> anyone around to help decifer why my sound is too darn loud even when at low levels, and also why volume control moves different channels sliders.
[22:23] <puddles> duffydack: alsamixer, turn down master / pcm to where it's not being amplified (0.0db gain)
[22:23] <puddles> duffydack: and you can generally control whether the volume control changes master or pcm channel
[22:24] <duffydack> master has no affect on volume.. it was set at 0..
[22:25] <duffydack> looking at alsamixer, when I adjust volume with the gnome applet, it adjusts pcm and master mono (my subwoofer) I dont see where to set it to control 1 channel
[22:25] <larsemil> n1ckr: i did a sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[22:26] <duffydack> puddles, it actually depends what output/connector I choose as to how sound works (or doesnt....)
[22:26] <puddles> duffydack: how so?
[22:26] <duffydack> puddles, dude, its a mess
[22:26] <puddles> duffydack: start at the beginning? :-)
[22:27] <larsemil> n1ckr: well i had to install it manually. but that ofcourse works as well. thanks and good night
[22:27] <duffydack> puddles, I wish it was more like jaunty, thats absolutely perfect for me.
[22:28] <duffydack> puddles, the output "connector" in the sound pref util, has to be one of the amplified ones or there is no sound.  and the amplified ones are too loud..If i set alsamixer to how I want it, and then touch the gnome volume control, it blows all those settings away and blows my head off in terms of sound.
[22:29] <duffydack> puddles, ive been trying daily live images on a usb stick on a regular basis to see if it improves but its been the same since alpha5
[22:29] <duffydack> which was my first look at 9.10
[22:34] <duffydack> puddles, and to get alsamixer to show 0.00db I have to set the channel to 100
[22:34] <maxb> Is anyone else experiencing gdm showing up "unthemed" in the sense that the colours and controls look the way the desktop looks when gnome-settings-daemon crashes?
[22:35] <maxb> Also is anyone else finding the "gdm is ready" sound announcement playing long before gdm is actually ready?
[22:36] <n1ckr> maxb, yes
[22:36] <legend2440> grub.cfg says   set root=(hd1,1)  it should be   set root=(hd0,0).  how do i change this. grub.cfg   says   # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
[22:36] <n1ckr> just like win xp does :P
[22:37]  * maxb prepares to hunt/file bugs
[22:37] <maxb> please let me know if you know of numbers already :-)
[22:39] <n1ckr> nah, i dunno if its a bug (reported)
[22:41] <mphill> is the fsck issue still occuring, anyone know?
[22:41] <maxb> supposedly fixed
[22:41] <joaopinto> mphill, there is ppl reporting it on vbox
[22:41] <joaopinto> I am not sure it's vbox specific
[22:42] <mphill> oh, i was having it on my desktop
[22:42] <joaopinto> maxb, there is ppl reporting it right now
[22:42] <maxb> some of the fsck issues are definitely fixed. Apparently not all
[22:42] <mphill> it pretty much took out my system the other week, but i would like to dist-upgrade again maybe
[22:42] <mphill> ok
[22:42] <mphill> i will hold off then
[22:43] <joaopinto> mphill, last week issue was fixed
[22:43] <joshua__> hello
[22:44] <scoop21> no laptop guys here now?
[22:45] <joshua__> i installed 9.10 on my desktop, with vista side by side... so now when it goes to grub i don't see an option to boot into windows...
[22:45] <paul65> DasEI: loaded vmware server 1.06, config looked like it worked, but console won't run
[22:46] <puddles> joshua__: easy to add option back to grub's menu.lst
[22:46] <joshua__> how do i do that puddles?
[22:46] <jemark> scoop21, i'm using a laptop
[22:46] <DasEi> paul65: you tried it in karmic ? no idea for that
[22:47] <puddles> joshua__: make a new entry, "windows<cr>rootnoverify (hd0,0)<cr>chainloader +1"  <- i'm guessing it's hd0,0 but that's pretty common, first bios hard drive, first partition
[22:47] <scoop21> hi jemark, do you have any standby problem after plugging battery or ac ?
[22:47] <joshua__> i think it is the second partition, it has a recovery partition
[22:47] <RAOF> joshua__: New install?  If so, there's a known-bug with the alpha 6 installer in that it didn't pick up other operating systems.
[22:47] <joaopinto> joshua__, you need to run: sudo os-prober
[22:47] <joaopinto> and then, update-grub
[22:48] <RAOF> Well, technically just "sudo update-grub", because update-grub calls os-prober.
[22:48] <jemark> scoop21, i have no idea. i have not tried to put karmic in standby yet
[22:48] <RAOF> puddles: If they've just done a fresh install they've got grub2, which doesn't use menu.lst.
[22:48] <joshua__> thanks jemark
[22:49] <joshua__> i mean joaopinto
[22:49] <scoop21> jemark: no, i meant, if i plugg in/out battery while i'm on ac the system goes down after a few seconds
[22:49] <jemark> joshua__, u're welcome
[22:50] <sergiumihai> anyone know, how to know what codecs totem is using to play files? (I have installed libxine codecs but still can't play files)
[22:50] <jemark> scoop21, maybe you would report that as a bug. strange behaviour...
[22:50] <joshua__> how come i only get an option for a partial upgrade?
[22:50] <maxb> Hmm, well, my gdm-is-unstyled issue turned out to be a side-effect of bug 438561
[22:51] <scoop21> jemark: i've done, but no answer:'(
[22:51] <jemark> good night everyone!
[22:51] <jemark> got to sleep now. until next time... :-)
[22:52] <scoop21> bye bye
[22:52] <sergiumihai> can play them with gxine, with totem cannot
[22:52] <sergiumihai> gg
[22:53] <yofel> sergiumihai: afaik totem uses gstreamer by default, so search for the gstreamer-plugins-* packages
[22:53] <paul65> DasEi: no it is in Hardy
[22:53] <sergiumihai> yofel and to remove it yes?
[22:53] <sergiumihai> )
[22:53] <dutchie> anybody else having problems with xplash getting stuck after the logon screen?
[22:54] <yofel> sergiumihai: no, if you want to use gstreamer you'll need them, but you could first try to install 'totem-xine' maybe that will help
[22:55] <duffydack> i give up.  cant get sound volumes to do what I need..back to jaunty
[22:55] <RAOF> yofel: Handy hint: in Karmic, totem-xine does nothing but depend on totem-gstreamer :)
[22:56] <RAOF> Totem dropped the xine backend.
[22:56] <yofel> uuups.. thx RAOF - didn't know that :)
[22:57] <sergiumihai> yofel, had installed totem-xine, that didn't helped, but there is an gstramer-plugins-good  ..
[22:57] <RAOF> sergiumihai: Totem doesn't say "I don't have a codec for this, would you like to search for codecs?" when you try to play the file?
[22:57] <grodius> Hello friends I am ready to join karmic where can i find infos on how to install the beta?
[22:57] <sergiumihai> RAOF it search for gstreamer codecs that i don't really like.. i prefer libxine
[22:58] <sergiumihai> -)
[22:58] <RAOF> grodius: First, you wait until the beta is released... :)
[22:58] <RAOF> sergiumihai: Any particular reason?  You won't be able to get totem to use libxine anymore :)
[22:59] <grodius> RAOF: i seee... oops i thought we were already in oct
[22:59] <sergiumihai> RAOF in previos version of ubuntu i just deleted all gstramer plugins and then libxine works with totem
[22:59] <sergiumihai> :D
[22:59] <sergiumihai> RAOF, then i will use gxine probaly..
[22:59] <vigo> grodius: Is alpha6 now, or more
[23:00] <RAOF> sergiumihai: Upstream stopped supporting the libxine backend.  In fact, upstream stopped supporting backends at all, on the basis that they're needlessly complex.
[23:01] <RAOF> sergiumihai: If you haven't tried gstreamer for a couple of releases, it might be worth a try.  It's been some time since it's failed to play a file I've thrown at it - with the partial exception of DVD playback, but that seems to work in Karmic now, too.
[23:01] <RAOF> (Now that I've remembered to set the region on my DVD drive)
[23:02] <vigo> grodius: Here is the link: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6 , caution and stuff applies, make a backup of any thing that you are not wanting to lose.
[23:13] <dael99> it is supossed that exteenal packages like skype for jaunty gets error while installing??
[23:15] <TheInfinity> dael99: maybe? ;)
[23:18] <RAOF> dael99: Supposed to?  No.  Surprising?  Again, no.  There's no guarantee that Jaunty packages will work on Karmic.
[23:19] <dael99> but, when i force them with dpkg -i they work flawlessly!!
[23:19] <dael99> when trying to install them i get an error in gdebi
[23:19] <dael99> should i post it?
[23:19] <RAOF> dael99: I _think_ that's a know bug in gdebi.
[23:20] <RAOF> s/know/known/g
[23:21] <BluesKaj> dael99, stay with dpkg -i , the gdebi installer isn't reliable
[23:21] <dael99> but what should we do with new users??
[23:23] <dael99> is there any way to help them out with this??
[23:23] <dael99> I mean Skype, Nero Linux and those I won't use, but other will???!
[23:25] <dael99> maybe add a button to --force-all ??
[23:28] <yofel> dael99: do you use gdebi-gtk and get something about a bad file descriptor?
[23:28] <RAOF> dael99: That probably wouldn't be acceptable.  We don't want to make it _too_ easy to seriously break your system (and an unfortunate --force-all can render your system unbootable).
[23:29] <dael99> yofel: yes.
[23:29] <dael99> RAOF: indeed.
[23:29] <yofel> dael99: then you are suffering from bug 388953
[23:30] <dael99> well, thanks.
[23:40] <sergiumihai> anyone know what is Ubuntu one? Some hack tool?
[23:41] <sergiumihai> spy tool
[23:41] <sergiumihai> D
[23:42] <sergiumihai> Ubuntu One helps you store, sync and share
[23:42] <sergiumihai> ok.