/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/29/#ubuntu-meeting.txt

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loolHi there14:00
loolWhere's NCommander?14:00
paulliuhi14:00
JamieBennetthey14:01
loologra, GrueMaster, plars, davidm, JamieBennett, dyfet: meeting?14:01
dyfethi14:01
GrueMasterif I must.14:01
plarsyarg14:01
JamieBennettyup14:01
ograoooh14:01
* ogra totally forgot 14:01
ograi'm so ddep into filing bugs atm14:01
ogra*deep14:01
davidmhello14:02
* GrueMaster stragles out to get a fresh cup of caffeine.14:02
loolI guess we'll do without NC14:02
loolNCommander14:02
lool#startmeeting14:02
MootBotMeeting started at 08:02. The chair is lool.14:02
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]14:02
* lool sighs on the lack of a meeting page14:02
loolNor for last week, impressive14:03
lool[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap14:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap14:03
loolFirst action on completing dove z0 d-i support was on ncommander14:04
loolBut I don't think he worked further on it; I agree we should first confirm whether that's still a target since bjf was saying it might not be supported anymore14:05
loolmove lubuntu seed to proper location and enable the meta on amd64 (dyfet)14:05
looldyfet: ?14:05
dyfetoh...we want amd64 active for that?  Then I will change architecture to any14:06
dyfetThat I think would be simplest...14:06
loolI don't see why lubuntu should be architecture specific14:06
dyfetI do not recall why this was done either originally14:06
loolThis decision is usually defered to image building time because these cost QA and space14:06
looldyfet: So what about the other bits?14:07
looldyfet: Moving to proper location (/ubuntu-seeds)14:07
dyfetAgreed...and a quick tiny change :).  I had been trying to sync up with the other people using the branch to move the seed.  But it is a team maintained seed14:07
davidmNCommander, is here now14:08
NCommander#startmeeting14:08
MootBotNCommander, There is already a meeting in progress.14:08
NCommanderah14:08
looldyfet: so carry on I guess14:08
dyfetokay14:08
lool[action] move lubuntu seed to proper location and enable the meta on amd64 (dyfet, c/o)14:08
MootBotACTION received:  move lubuntu seed to proper location and enable the meta on amd64 (dyfet, c/o)14:08
loolsetup meeting with ubuntu-moblin and report back here (lool, c/o)14:09
loolHad a meeting on Monday where we planned our various efforts14:09
loolA short summary is that there are some 4 parallel efforts going on or so14:09
loolWe're trying to merge bug fixes from private jaunty ppa to public moblin ppa14:09
loolwe're trying to merge karmic public ppa to karmic proper14:09
loolwe're trying to fix more bugs14:09
loolwe're trying to merge moblin 2.114:10
lool(and we're also trying to make the jaunty bits public in some way)14:10
loolchrischeney will be tasked with the jaunty -> any merges14:10
loolpaulliu keeps working on moblin 2.114:10
loolrest of OEM folks work on bug fixes and moblin 2.114:10
paulliulool: yes.14:10
loolWe touched based on a plan for some partial moblin compliance too14:11
loolThat's it14:11
loolImage is quite broken right now due to move to 2.114:11
loolbut that's life and we want moblin 2.1 more than a 100% karmic based image which doesn't seem atteinable anymore14:11
paulliulool: Update mutter-moblin should brings everything back.14:11
loolfile question against soyuz on PPA size (paulliu, c/o)14:11
loolpaulliu: ^ did you file that?14:12
GrueMasterlool: how come I wasn't invited to the meeting?14:12
paulliulool: Ah. Not yet. (c/o)14:12
GrueMasterSeeing as how I'm doing the compliance testing.14:12
paulliulool: But we haven't have a new PPA.14:12
loolGrueMaster: We only discussed how to organize package uploads and this was appended to the meeting, not really part of the agenda to start with14:12
paulliulool: The current PPA size is large enough. If we want a new PPA we need to have the same size.14:13
loolGrueMaster: The only thing we discussed on this topic was basically that we want to keep this in a separate compliance ppa and perhaps base on jaunty14:13
loolpaulliu: Do we want one?  Not sure we actually need one anymore14:13
loolpaulliu: I guess not14:13
paulliulool: yes. So let's delete that action.14:13
loolplars to update the bug workflow14:14
loolplars: ^14:14
plarsthat has been mostly completed, the only thing I hadn't done yet was add a section for moblin14:14
loolOk thanks14:14
plarswhich I was kind of on the fence about one part, and that would be for the 'moblin' tag14:14
plarsI was thinking it may not be necessary, since all moblin bugs are supposed to go into ubuntu-moblin14:15
plarshowever, after thinking about it some more, I could see how someone might file a bug against a non-moblin specific package, and it end up being in ubuntu with possibly nothing indicating that it happened on a moblin system14:15
loolplars: indeed not necessary for now but doesn't hurt much to plan for next cycle and start adding that perhaps?14:15
loolack14:15
plarsso I'm thinking it would still be useful to have14:15
loolplars: makes sense to have it IMO14:15
plarsso I'm going to go ahead with that, and see about putting the hook in for it too14:16
plarswe want the tag to just be 'moblin' right?14:16
loolGrueMaster to continue driving moblin compliance issues with the LinuxFoundation.14:16
loolplars: yeah14:16
plarsor is something like 'ubuntu-umr' or 'ubuntu-moblin' more paletable?14:16
plarsok14:16
GrueMasterI talked with Ted Tso and a couple of test developers, found out what needs to be installed for testing compliance.14:17
GrueMasterThere were a lot of missing bits, like locale info and a few other missing packages that the tests depend on.14:18
GrueMasterI'll add those in to the next test round.14:18
GrueMasterThe list I have is non-distro specific, so once I know what ubuntu packages are needed, I'll request a meta package wrapper to be made.14:18
loollool to add uboot-mkimage to the desktop ship seed to make dove images non-dependent on internet access14:19
looldone14:19
loolpushed today; need to see if that works as expected14:19
GrueMasterAs to actual compliance, the final specification for 2.0 won't be released until after karmic.14:19
* GrueMaster is done.14:20
lool[topic] UNR status14:20
MootBotNew Topic:  UNR status14:20
loolnjpatel: You around?14:20
loolnjpatel: Any particular comments?14:20
loolAFAIK we're up to date on releases14:21
loolExcept for a tentative humanity upload which I nacked14:21
loolNothing particularly interesting to report14:22
lool[link] UNR Status14:22
MootBotLINK received:  UNR Status14:22
loolUps14:22
lool[link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr14:22
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr14:22
loolNo interesting bugs there14:22
loolBiggest issue with icon theme has been resolved by saying we keep what we have14:22
GrueMasterApparently there was a new bug filed recently against maximus that isn't listed here.14:23
lool#?14:23
GrueMasterbug #42101914:23
loolIf someone has some free cycles, there's an easy bug with translations of window-picker-applet where I outlined the necessary changes and they need implementation14:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 421019 in maximus "maximus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42101914:23
GrueMasterAh, someone has already looked at it.14:24
joaopintodoes it make sense to report such an obvious bug like flash failing to install from firefox plugin finder service ? Does anyone know a bug report about it ?14:25
loolCan't personally load it14:25
loolI mean it takes forever14:25
joaopintoops, wrong channel, sorry :|14:25
loolGrueMaster: Is it properly milestoned etc.?14:25
plarsmy current concern with unr is that desktop-switcher seems unusable without reeking havoc14:25
loolplars: Indeed14:25
GrueMasterplars triaged this one.14:26
loolplars: So we tried clamping the worst issues last week but I still see it as a sore poin14:26
plarsI wanted to talk to neil about it first before suggesting anything rash14:26
loolpoint14:26
loolplars: last times I looked into d-s issues, I gazed and thought we need to rewrite everything14:26
loolProblem is that we can't do that for karmic14:26
loolIt should of course be a lucid spec to use a different mechanism for it14:27
plarslool: jason had suggested that it should just be a session option at login, which seems reasonable14:27
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plarsthe on-the-fly switching is a neat trick, but doesn't seem to work well in practice14:27
* StevenK shores14:27
loolplars: Yes; I suggested that too, months ago, but nobody had time to look into it14:27
loolStevenK: Hey; we're in UNR status14:27
looltopic is d-s14:27
plarsit's the only really good option I've heard so far14:27
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StevenKd-s is broken?14:28
loolplars: Cant do that in karmic though; I had in mind we should do our best to fix the biggest issues in karmic's14:28
plarsStevenK: it never actually worked14:28
StevenKSure it has, it's just ... fragile14:28
loolplars: Could you come up with the highest prio bugs in your eyes which we should fix for release?14:28
plarslool: right, but if d-s can't be stabilized enough, I think it needs to not be there.  It's breaking systems14:28
plarswill do14:28
loolplars: It's an option14:28
loolplars: I think I'd need a summary of breakage from you if you could produce that14:29
GrueMasterhey, that would also reduce the image size.  Win.14:29
loolplars: That'd help convincing release team + design team that we want it out14:29
loolGrueMaster: Speaking of which14:29
loolGrueMaster: How did that effort go recently?14:29
GrueMasterI haven't had time to look into it.  I was busy withthe conference last week.14:29
GrueMasterI'm looking into it today.14:30
StevenKWe need to wait until after beta for large-ish things anyway14:30
loolStevenK: anything WRT UNR?14:30
StevenKYes, we're oversized.14:31
loolRight now?14:31
loolWe seem to be at 686M14:31
* StevenK checks again14:31
StevenKOkay, we were ... :-)14:32
StevenKWe hit 714M this morning14:32
loolwow14:32
loolhow come?14:32
StevenKI wasn't able to figure that out, sadly14:33
loolOk; probably temporary bogosity14:33
StevenKBut it looks like we dropped like a stone after that if we're at 68614:33
loolStevenK: any other bugs / highlights?14:33
StevenKI'll re-instate de after beta14:33
loolStevenK: are we in sync WRT seeds and upstream releases?14:33
loolStevenK: Well I remember pidgin crept in over the week end and I fixed it but it probably was accepted on monday only14:34
loolthat might explain the big image14:34
StevenKI've not checked those, but we are probably too late to change either14:34
loolStevenK: Can you make sure you double check we're not out of date?14:34
loolStevenK: I'd hate if we would be missing any change, even the most trivial ones14:34
StevenKlool: I certainly will, when I'm working again14:35
loolThanks14:35
lool[topic] moblin remix status14:35
MootBotNew Topic:  moblin remix status14:35
loolStevenK: hey again!14:35
* StevenK chuckles14:35
loolpaulliu, StevenK: So it's quite borken right now14:35
loolpaulliu: You say it's about to be mostly fixed?14:35
paulliulool: yes. If you boot with a while screen. You just need to upgrade mutter-moblin.14:36
lool[link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin14:36
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin14:36
paulliulool: I think it might not included in the built today.14:36
loolpaulliu: Is it still booting into gnome?14:36
StevenKpaulliu: So the current livefs needs a fixed mutter-moblin?14:37
loolI'll take care of the sources.list and apt preferences files in livecd-rootfs, but after beta14:37
paulliuStevenK: yes.14:37
loolpaulliu: When was it uploaded?14:37
loolpaulliu: We had a build an hour ago or so14:37
paulliulool: one hour ago.14:37
ogranote that dues to a casper breakage we dont have ttys on live images14:37
loolmutter-moblin 0.40.0-0ubuntu0moblin614:37
loolthat's what we have14:38
StevenKOkay, we can organise a rebuild14:38
ograso if you have a white screen there is no way to install anything on tty14:38
paulliulool: ok. It's ok.14:38
loologra: Is that one fixed?14:38
loolpaulliu: Cool14:38
ogralool, slangasek said post beta14:38
loolpaulliu: no rebuild needed then?14:38
loologra: Ok14:38
paulliulool: no rebuild needed.14:38
loolAnything else on moblin for beta?14:38
ograBug 438678 filed ...14:38
loolplars, GrueMaster: ^?14:38
GrueMasterThat tty issue may be related to a kernel bug I filed yesterday.14:39
ograGrueMaster, it isnt14:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438678 in casper "25configure_init uses /dev/ttyN.conf instead of /dev/ttyN for /etc/init/tty*.conf mangling" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43867814:39
GrueMasterok14:39
plarslool: I've not had time to focus on moblin this week, couldn't say14:39
paulliuIs it only breaks Moblin??14:39
ogranope14:39
ograall live images14:39
StevenKNo, it would affect everything14:39
loolHmm if it's in the installed system too it certainly should be > medium14:40
paulliuogra: OK. thanks. That should be the bug mentioned by Kevin Huang today afternoon.14:40
StevenKIt's more casper and upstart fallout14:40
ograbut if moblin leaves you with unusable X it is hard :)14:40
paulliuogra: He complains that moblin installation is totally broken.14:40
GrueMasterlool, my focus last week was on moblin compliance, based on Alpha 6.14:40
GrueMasterI didn't get into any testing yet.14:40
loolGrueMaster: Do we have public results?14:40
StevenKpaulliu: Could you ask him to file bugs?14:40
loolGrueMaster: Are you automating this stuff?14:41
GrueMasterpublic results for moblin compliance testing?  not yet.14:41
StevenKpaulliu: Or at least document what is broken, and how it breaks14:41
* StevenK prods LP with a sharp stick14:41
paulliuStevenK: Hmm. Not good because it's a secret project I think. A hardware runs nvidia driver. Not Intel.14:41
GrueMasterThe testing is automated.  Last week i was in a full week long conference, where I managed to corner some members of the linux foundation that work on the compliance test suite.14:42
loolGrueMaster: So this runs from cron on your side?14:42
StevenKGrueMaster: Were you armed or unarmed?14:42
loolGrueMaster: What I'd like to see are daily builds of the testsuite against the daily image so that we can see progress on compliance fixing14:42
GrueMasterNo.  It is manually started.  I really don't have time to give a full education on how the test system works.14:43
GrueMasterNot possible.14:43
loolI don't like reading not possible14:43
GrueMasterTest suite takes 26 hours to run it's course, not including manual tests.14:43
GrueMasterYou want it done faster, buy me more hardware.14:43
loolI don't want to have to rely on you to push the button14:43
loolGrueMaster: Well actually I did wonder a couple of times why it's running in your basement instead of in our shiny DCs14:44
GrueMasterIt's my job, it's what I do.14:44
GrueMasterDC's?14:44
looldata ceners14:44
StevenKDatacentre14:44
lool*centers14:44
GrueMasterSome of the tests require hardware that you don't see when running in a VM.14:45
GrueMasterLike the GL tests.14:45
loolWe don't need to run them in a vm in the DC14:45
loolWe have our hw cert labs and our regular DCs which could host a new machine14:45
loolBut ideally this would run on hw cert machines14:45
GrueMasterAnd who would run the manual tests?14:46
loolGrueMaster: Could you look at documenting what you run and how you setup a machine to rnu the testsuite?14:46
StevenKAnd what access it needs to the machine14:46
loolGrueMaster: I don't know what the manual tests are14:46
GrueMasterIt is already documented on the moblin.org site, along with some new hints for missing packages I just got last week.14:46
GrueMasterlet's take this offline.14:47
StevenKDoes it need root, will it spew 80G of garbage to a disk ...14:47
loolOk; I agree it takes too long to discuss here14:47
loolGrueMaster: But I would like to see more transparency on the setup and less dependencies on you pressing abutton14:47
GrueMasterDo we really want to spend the next 15 minutes with a tutorial on how to run the test suite?14:47
StevenK... not here14:48
* StevenK has a bed to visit14:48
loolAnything else moblin related?14:48
plarsGrueMaster: we should talk about seeing if we can make it run in checkbox14:48
StevenKplars, GrueMaster: That sounds like a good UDS topic14:48
GrueMasterlool: you seem to have some sort of misconception about how the test suite works.  Please either read the documentation or try the test out yourself for once.14:48
lool+114:48
GrueMaster-1.14:48
GrueMasterGood luck.14:49
GrueMasterThe test suite is updated too often.14:49
loolGrueMaster: I have the impression that thousands of tests must be automated in some way and that having a person kick them manually is not the best way to use our time14:49
plarsGrueMaster: I'm not saying it's simple, just worth taking a look at14:49
GrueMasterIt is automated. To a point.14:49
plarsGrueMaster: we already have testsuites in checkbox that are updated several times a day!14:49
GrueMasterIT TAKES LITTLE TIME TO RUN!!!!!14:49
* ogra shades his ears14:50
loolBut you might be at a conference or hit by a bus14:50
* GrueMaster wants desparately to drop this subject.14:50
plarsok, in any case, we have 10 minutes left, we can talk about it offline14:50
GrueMasterThen someone else will need to spend 15 minutes learning how to run them.14:50
lool[topic] armel14:50
* plars suggests [action] gruemaster to avoid busses for a while14:50
MootBotNew Topic:  armel14:50
GrueMasterAnd another 10 minutes posting the data.14:50
lool[link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel14:50
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel14:50
* ogra would like to see someone from the team to test Bug 42728914:50
GrueMasterPlus an hour a week justifying the ten minutes spent.14:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427289 in linux-fsl-imx51 "hardware clock not saved if board power is removed on babbage 2.5" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42728914:51
loolamitk would like us to test his pselect patches14:51
ograthe kernel in todays image should support the charging14:51
ograbut my battery seems to be bad14:51
loologra: Ok14:51
loolwill dist upgrade and test14:51
ograyou need to change for 8-12h, according to amit the clock should keep the time then14:51
lool[action] test fix for RTC battery charging (lool)14:51
MootBotACTION received:  test fix for RTC battery charging (lool)14:51
ograa voltmeter would also be nice :)14:51
ograand reporting some values14:52
ograbut not mandatory14:52
loolCRAP14:52
loolhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/1:3.1.1-2ubuntu3/+build/126492814:52
ograimx51 FEC driver has issues with NM and in d-i14:52
looldoko_: ^14:52
loologra: Bug?14:52
ograoo.o didnt build and we will likely ship with a broken one this round14:53
loolmake[2]: *** [bfd.info] Error 114:53
loolmake[2]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/openoffice.org-3.1.1/binutils-build/bfd/doc'14:53
ograBug 43868714:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438687 in network-manager "FEC driver does not set "DRIVER" property in udev which makes network-manager fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43868714:53
looldoko_: missing bdep?14:53
ogralool, he knows the fixy14:53
loologra: Is this being pushed?14:53
ograbut we wont make it in time14:53
loolUnless we respin thursday morning14:53
ogradoko is on it afaik14:53
ograin any case i propose to not rip out oo.o this time14:54
doko_lool: it's missing a b-d for binutils, yes. if it helps anything, I'll have packages ready in about 2h/3h on jocote, built from the same source14:54
loologra: 438687 > looks good14:54
ograit took four people and several hours to get that right last time14:54
ograif oo.o doesnt build, lets just release note it but leave it in the image14:54
loologra: It wasn't installable I think14:54
ograyou have to make changes in to many places14:54
loolOk anything else on armel?14:54
ogralool, ouch, indeed14:55
ograand it wont be this time either14:55
GrueMastersata still doesn't work when running gdm.14:55
ograarch all discrepancy14:55
loolI have to review the f-k changes from NCommander  but will be post beta now14:55
ogralool, so it seems we have to rip it out or not respin14:55
ogracurrent .1 image looks quite good14:55
ograa respin will screw up the livefs build14:56
GrueMasterAlso, the two failing nics of mine have been given to amitk for debugging.14:56
lool[topic] specs review14:56
MootBotNew Topic:  specs review14:56
ograGrueMaster, well, the builtin NIC works now14:56
GrueMasterI have spres here.14:56
loologra: is cron disabled?14:56
GrueMasterogra, I noticed.14:56
ogralool, for images ? i think so14:57
ograpitti could tell14:57
loologra: Ok they are14:57
loologra: then we just need to pass the word not to respin desktop on arnel14:57
loolarmel14:57
ograyeah14:57
loolGrueMaster: LSB results for A6 > didn't see them14:57
GrueMasterI think there is still some stability issues in the USB driver stack. on imx51.14:57
loolGrueMaster: So I dropped it from the spec14:57
GrueMastersigh.14:58
plars2 min14:58
loolI POSTPONED a bunch of items on paulliu's specs14:58
GrueMasterI just posted them.14:58
loolGrueMaster: I updated the spec again14:58
StevenKI'm still waiting to hear when Wubi is fixed ...14:58
loolGrueMaster: Just update the spec next time14:58
loolStevenK: :-(14:58
GrueMasterI had waited to go over them with the linux foundation folks so I could understand some major failures.14:58
loolStevenK: it affects desktop too, so quite bad14:59
StevenKlool: Absolutely14:59
loolGrueMaster: I dont see how that blocks posting them?!14:59
GrueMasterlool: let ME update my spec, please.14:59
StevenKlool: I think Agostino needs to be nailed down, I'll try and catch him this week14:59
lool[link] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html14:59
MootBotLINK received:  http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html14:59
GrueMasterI needed to see if I was doing anything wrong.  there was a major test suite that hung.14:59
GrueMasterturned out to be a kernel bug.15:00
loolGrueMaster: Sorry but you're not the only one to be in charge of the spec15:00
loolGrueMaster: I happen to have to report on it15:00
loolwith the help of ogra BTW15:00
GrueMastercan you at least ask me what's up before blindly making changes?15:00
* ogra looks up 15:01
loolGrueMaster: I checked the wiki, the results were not posted, I updated the spec to match15:01
loolGrueMaster: I thought that you could still fix it if that was incorrect -- like I just did15:01
* GrueMaster gives up.15:01
StevenKogra: Back in your cage!15:01
loolGrueMaster: I'm not going to organize to block on you15:01
* ogra roars 15:01
ogra:)15:01
loolplars: I marked the unr checkbox stuff as implemented since the last action was to merge the test in the main branch15:02
GrueMasterhey, it's 3 minutes past.  meeting over, right?15:02
loolOk ; I don't have any other questions on specs; does anybody want to raise anything?15:03
loolGrueMaster: We can run a bit over this week; especially since it's beta15:03
looland there's no TB meeting after us15:03
loolian_brasil: Around?15:03
lool[topic] AOB15:03
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB15:03
ian_brasilyep15:03
loolian_brasil: Did you want to raise MID stuff?15:04
ian_brasiljust an update15:04
ian_brasilwe created the community project..worked on seeds and i have packages upstream libhildon and hildon-desktop..both fail to build ha ha but i will sort that later15:04
loolian_brasil: Did you settle on a set of goals and a codename?15:04
ian_brasilnot the goals yet but we have a codename15:05
loolEh ok15:05
ian_brasilLiquid remix15:05
plarslool: I saw, thanks.  They are both marked implemented now15:05
loolian_brasil: I think at this point it's not reasonnable to do anything in karmic, but you guys could prepare stuff in a PPA for lucid15:05
ian_brasilthat is what we thought15:06
loolOk; any other business?15:06
loolNCommander: Still with us?  :-)15:06
lool#endmeeting15:07
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loolThanks all15:07
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zulgday16:02
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ttxWelcome to the server team meeting...16:02
kirklando/ ttx16:03
jmdaulto/16:03
nurmihi all, I need a few minutes before I can join, apologies; i'll o/ when i am back16:03
smosero/16:03
ttx#startmeeting16:03
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zulits like people are doing aerobics16:03
ttxAgenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:04
ttx[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:04
ttxACTION: Daviey to get his Asterisk 1.6RC2 update sponsored16:04
ttxno Daviey16:05
Davieyttx: that was same day as the meeting :)16:05
ttxok cool16:05
ttxACTION: soren to clear out status for ec2-version-query publication16:05
ttxACTION: soren to automate updating of ec2-version-query" (once publication is resolved)16:05
ttxsoren is away, anyone knows the status of this ?16:06
ttxslangasek, maybe ^16:06
ttxACTION: kirkland to open discussion on how to best solve the remaining configuration options on Moodle appliance16:06
kirklandttx: is that from last week?16:06
ttxheh, yes16:06
ttxwell, carried on from the week before16:06
kirklandttx: for the prototype, i moved away from a moodle appliance for now, to a gobby server16:07
ttxok.16:07
kirklandttx: generically, we need to figure out how to make appliances out of packages that have critical debconf questions16:07
ttxI might have some time tomorrow to do appliance testing, if the eucalyptus front calms down16:07
kirklandttx: that's a generic problem, which requires admin input on package installation16:07
ttxACTION: kirkland to get help from soren and smoser on proper UEC-compatible image generation16:07
ttxACTION: kirkland to discuss with niemeyer and nurmi about image store integration testing16:08
kirklandttx: for the appliance to be useful, all configuration should be web driven, after instantiation, according to mdz16:08
Davieykirkland: I'm happy to help aswell if that is wanted.16:08
kirklandDaviey: thanks16:08
kirklandcjwatson: is there a web frontend for debconf?16:08
kirklandcjwatson: i seem to recall you saying at some point that various frontends can be bolted onto debconf....16:08
zulyes there is i think we discussed it at the sprint in aalborg16:08
ttxkirkland: soren mentionned a web frontend, yes16:08
cjwatsonthere is, though it's not very good16:09
kirklandttx: all of those actions have been pre-empted by getting UEC to work in Karmic Beta16:09
cjwatsonI think it is minimally functional16:09
kirklandcjwatson: could you just send me a pointer to it, when you get a chance?16:09
ttxkirkland: ok.16:09
cjwatsonkirkland: it's in the debconf package itself16:09
ttxACTION: soren to update to latest euca2ools16:09
mathiazkirkland: we should work on the appliance stuff next week16:09
kirklandcjwatson: ah, okay, thanks.16:09
kirklandmathiaz: agreed16:09
ttxI replaced soren on that one.16:09
kirklandttx: we need a running cloud before we can test images ;-)16:10
ttxACTION: soren to add image-generation-toolchain version numbers to manifests16:10
ttxkirkland: working on it :)16:10
ttxI don't think this was done...16:10
kirklandttx: yup, me too :-)16:10
ttxTwo actions on missing MIRs:16:10
ttxACTION: zul to follow up on the UEC/EC2 packages MIR status16:10
ttxACTION: smoser to file one bug for the fact that the images include unsupported packages16:10
zuldone16:10
zulec2-init is in main16:11
smoserthat was done. bug 434744.16:11
ttxok16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434744 in ubuntu "ec2 and uec images contain packages not in main" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43474416:11
ttxACTION: ttx to file bug about providing ec2-* command names which call euca2ools16:11
ttxbug 43514016:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435140 in euca2ools "euca2ools should provide ec2-* symlinks/alternatives" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43514016:11
ttxACTION: mdz to sync with kirkland on Virtual appliance status16:11
ttxThat was done, he communicated basic requirements, methink16:11
kirklandttx: i think we're in sync16:12
ttxACTION: ttx to poke QA team about omitting untargeted wishlist bugs from the buglist and add something to those pages which tell you who to contact about them16:12
kirklandttx: you can action mathiaz and I to work on appliance creation/generation next week in Austin16:12
ttxI did poke Brian Murray by email, without much result at that point.16:12
ttxkirkland: we'll do that when we'll see appliance status in roadmap16:12
kirklandk16:12
ttxACTION: mathiaz to involve sbeattie in the Weekly SRU review process16:12
mathiazttx: talked to him last week in Portland16:13
Davieyttx: hmm, i thought the previous meeting it was decided that ec2-* shouldn't be symlinked or similar to euca2ools as it wasn't quite compatiable at this stage?16:13
mathiazttx: he is interested in being part of the process16:13
ttxDaviey: the bug is the place to discuss that.16:13
mathiazttx: I'll talk about that more during the SRU weekly review16:13
Davieyoh, ok :)16:13
ttx[TOPIC] Beta release: Remaining beta-targeted bugs16:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Beta release: Remaining beta-targeted bugs16:13
ttxis nurmi back ?16:14
ttxI prefer to have him around for that one. Lets do the next one first16:14
ttx[TOPIC] Beta release: Release process remaining actions16:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Beta release: Release process remaining actions16:14
ttx* vmbuilder: using seeds, publishing toolchain version in manifests16:14
ttxI think nobody had time to work on that...16:15
nijabattx: did not see any cmmit to do this in vmbuillder16:15
ttxwe might push that back to RC.16:15
zulttx: what is involved?16:15
ttxzul: making vmbuilder use seeds (or germinate results) to build its package list... and generate manifests that include the vmbuidler version used, among other things16:16
ttxI think its a little late for beta anyway.16:17
ttxMIR all non-main packages used in images (smoser)16:17
zulttx: i might take a a crack at it16:17
ttxzul: I know the seeds were pushed.16:17
ttx* MIR all non-main packages used in images (smoser)16:17
ttxthat was done...16:17
smoservmbuilder does use seed uec-images16:17
smosererr.. whatever that seed was called.16:18
ttxah.16:18
smosermdz had asked that vmbuilder's version be included in the manifest16:18
ttxsmoser: that's not done yet, right16:18
smoserthat is less straighttforward, as we're currently building with vmbuilder trunk.16:18
ttxok, that might slip to RC.16:19
ttx* Publish ec2-version-query in a appropriate place (soren)16:19
smoserthat has yet to happen16:19
smoserafaik16:19
ttx* Automate image publishing and ec2-version-query refresh (smoser)16:21
smosernot done.16:22
nurmio/16:22
ttxsmoser: is image publishing automated in /some/ways ?16:23
smoserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing16:24
smoser"some"16:24
ttxok, we'll need to review that.16:24
smoseri spent yesterday working on some publish scripts. http://smoser.brickies.net/git/?p=misc-starter-tools.git16:24
smoserwith the goal of moving towards being ready to work right away as soon as we get some access to amazon from data center16:25
ttxok.16:25
ttxAnything that needs to be done on the release management side for beta release ?16:25
ttx[TOPIC] Beta release: Remaining beta-targeted bugs16:26
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ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43215416:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432154 in qemu-kvm "dynamic block device attach/detach not functional with karmic KVM" [High,In progress]16:27
ttxkirkland: I think this one should be untargeted now16:27
kirklandttx: i agree16:27
ttxplease retarget to next16:27
kirklandttx: done16:27
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/429106 (smoser)16:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 429106 in vm-builder "kernel and initramfs should be available for uec" [Medium,Fix committed]16:27
ttxsmoser: it's disputed if it's really a good idea right now, right ?16:28
smoserthat is fix-commited, and images are available, although not ideally named for client pulling (or documentation)16:28
smoseri dont think its disputed. slangesek just impllied that we need to make sure we can fulfill gpl source requirements on the stuff16:29
ttxsmoser: is there a bug open to track that ?16:29
smoseris marked committed and not released because its not in vmbuilder that is in karmic16:29
smoseri guess i should open 2 bugs.16:29
ttx(the gpl reqs)16:29
smoser1 for gpl reqs16:29
smoser1 for renaming output or re-ordering16:29
ttx[ACTION] smoser to open bugs to cover kernel/ramdisk GPL reqs and renaming16:30
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ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43874716:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438747 in eucalyptus "Instances do not run because /var/run/eucalyptus/net is missing" [High,Triaged]16:30
ttxThat one is the latest eyucalyptus issue uncovered in my testing16:30
ttxits quite easy to fix and is needed for beta16:30
ttxthough I might need someone to push the fix, upload get the exception and the respin16:31
ttxsince I intend to have some evening left16:31
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43860216:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438602 in eucalyptus "Autoregistration sometimes fails" [High,Fix released]16:31
ttxThis one is more tricky16:31
ttxWe want autoregistration to work for beta16:31
ttxbut... whatever we do it seems that eucalyptus randomly fails to accept it16:32
mathiazttx: yeah - I ran into the same issue16:32
mathiazttx: none of my test installs actually worked correclty16:32
ttxnurmi: any clue ?16:32
ttxWe run registration after getting some response from port 844316:32
mathiazttx: I suspect an issue with the upstart job16:32
nurmittx: the last UEC iso I tried last night was kind of hard to figure out16:33
ttxnurmi: yes, try the 20090929.216:33
mathiazttx: ex: the walrus-registration would start and failed but the cc-registration job would not even start16:33
nurmittx: okay, i'll try that16:33
ttxnurmi: if I run "sudo eucalyptus stop / sudo eucalyptus start" 10 times in a row, it would succeed to autoregister the 8th time16:34
kirklandmathiaz: ttx: fwiw, i just installed fresh; walrus successfully auto registered; cluster did not16:34
ttxkirkland: yes, that's what I got with 20090929.216:34
ttxcluster and sc fail16:35
nurmittx: i think i need the latest iso, my 'start eucalyptus-cloud' commands were hanging forever yesterday16:35
kirklandttx: confirmed16:35
ttxkirkland: could you debug that with nurmi and push the fix if you find any ?16:35
mathiazkirkland: is there a log file in /var/log/eucalyptus/cc-registration?16:35
ttxat that point I'd say if we don't manage to fix it today, it should be a beta known issue16:35
nurmiinteresting, the only difference between walrus and cc/sc is that the cc/sc registration commands require a 'cluster name'16:35
mathiazkirkland: I would first make sure that the upstart job is started correclty16:36
nurmii.e. euca_conf --register-cluster <cluster-name> <ip>16:36
kirklandmathiaz: that log does not exist16:36
ttxnurmi: it also uses localhost instead of the IP16:36
mathiazkirkland: right - I suspect that the upstart job is not even started16:36
mathiazkirkland: I'd add a pre-script to check whether the job is actually started16:36
ttxwhich might be the reason, actually.16:36
mathiazkirkland: and bug Keybuck about debugging upstart16:37
ttxlet's not debug that during the meeting16:37
* mathiaz agrees16:37
nurmittx: ah, well, that is most likely the issue; in upstream, you cannot register 'localhost', as we discussed a few days ago; mdz said that ubuntu had patched the system to allow localhost registration16:37
kirklandttx: okay, so i'll debug the cc auto registration16:37
mathiazkirkland: we can debug this later16:37
kirklandttx: and sync with mathiaz and nurmi16:37
ttxkirkland: might make sense to try to use the walrus IP inside cc and sc-registration.conf16:37
* nurmi agrees16:37
ttxlets talk about that later16:37
ttxAnything else that should be targeted for beta ?16:38
ttxHopefully, nothing...16:38
ttx[TOPIC] Roadmap review / Eucalyptus16:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Roadmap review / Eucalyptus16:38
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus16:38
ttxthanks to a huge triage effort by kirkland, the buglist is actually usable now.16:39
ttxwe dalready discussed what could be brought after beta for the release16:39
ttxI'm more scared by the bugs we don't know (the ones we find in testing)16:40
ttx[TOPIC] Roadmap review / UEC - EC2 bugs16:40
MootBotNew Topic:  Roadmap review / UEC - EC2 bugs16:40
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uec-images16:40
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images16:40
ttxsmoser: comments ?16:40
smoserhttp://tinyurl.com/yazgzzf link is "all bugs targetted to beta with ec2-images or uec-images in a tag"16:41
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smoserall of those are fixed as far as i know16:42
zuli just like to bring up that amazon has released a new version of ec2-api-tools which add better ebs and also adds vpn support I was going to ask for a FFE but I dont know how well it works with eucalyptus16:43
ttxsmoser: sounds good. I did not have time to carefully review them16:43
smoserthe most difficult bug of anything still open is bug 42869216:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428692 in ubuntu "ec2 kernel needs CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y and other config changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42869216:43
ttxzul: I think that's not for beta anyway... and maybe not for release16:44
zulttx: I can just throw it in a ppa and upload it for lucid16:44
smoserthe only karmic related bug there with medium or > priority that isn't on track for being fixed in karmic is bug 40794916:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 407949 in ec2-init "ec2-init: ec2-set-defaults needs better defaults for non US/EU regions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40794916:44
ttxzul: that won't hurt.16:44
zulttx: okie dokie16:45
ttxsmoser: I tested images on my karmic UEC today, worked. I still have to test the kernel/ramdisk you produce though16:45
ttxsmoser: thanks for the update.16:46
ttx[TOPIC] Roadmap review: Virtual appliance16:46
MootBotNew Topic:  Roadmap review: Virtual appliance16:46
ttxkirkland, niemeyer: what's the plan ?16:46
smoseri think we're actually looking pretty good now (although i fear i've said that bfore)16:46
kirklandttx: i'm confident gobby will work well16:47
kirklandttx: as it has a very hands off, unattended installation16:47
niemeyerttx: The proxy should be in pretty good state now..16:47
kirklandttx: mdz raised a question about persistent storage configuration, which i have not yet solved16:47
kirklandttx: but that's the case for most any appliance16:47
ttxkirkland/niemeyer: at one point you need to sync on how to intgerate one with the other16:47
mathiazniemeyer: did you get a chance to look at bug 436896?16:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436896 in image-store-proxy "Signature tests are disabled - gpg command calls should use homedir option" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43689616:47
ttxintegrate, even16:47
niemeyerttx: I just have to work a bit on the server side.. waiting for the server infrastructure for this16:47
kirklandttx: as for moodle, wordpress, others, we need to establish the process by which we handle debconf16:48
ttxniemeyer: any ETA on infra ?16:48
niemeyermathiaz: Oh yeah, thanks for reporting this.. I'll provide you with a fix in the next couple of days16:48
kirklandttx: i'm going to have a look at the web frontend for debconf that colin mentioned16:48
niemeyerttx: Not really.. should already have been made available by now, so at any time16:48
ttxkirkland: ok. You mentioned a sprint ?16:48
mathiazniemeyer: the key is to test without a ~/.gnupg/ directory16:48
niemeyermathiaz: Cool, I'll make sure to check this out16:48
mathiazniemeyer: and making sure that it's not created afterwards16:48
niemeyermathiaz: Any other issues about 1.0, or is it all good?16:49
mathiazniemeyer: well - I haven't been able to complete a full test16:50
mathiazniemeyer: as there isn't a server side yet16:50
mathiazniemeyer: is the fakeproxy actually able to push images?16:50
niemeyermathiaz: Cool, please note that you can fake the server side16:50
niemeyermathiaz: The fakestoreapi.py can fake the server side entirely16:50
kirklandttx: potentially a mini sprint16:51
niemeyermathiaz: I'll send you and nurmi a mail later with details on how to test this16:51
* ttx adds a few missing actions...16:51
kirklandttx: mathiaz will be in Austin anyway16:51
mathiazniemeyer: ok - thanks.16:51
kirklandttx: i'm trying to convince nurmi to come down too :-)16:51
nurminiemeyer: nod, thanks16:51
kirklandttx: i reckon the 3 of us could kick some post-beta butt16:51
niemeyernurmi: I've seen your mail, btw, was just catching up after holidays to send you these details16:51
ttx[ACTION] kirkland to fix bug 438747, maybe bug 438602, package and push a respin with that package in16:51
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland to fix bug 438747, maybe bug 438602, package and push a respin with that package in16:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438747 in eucalyptus "Instances do not run because /var/run/eucalyptus/net is missing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43874716:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438602 in eucalyptus "Autoregistration sometimes fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43860216:51
nurmikirkland: actively working on it :)16:51
kirklandnurmi: ack ;-)16:52
niemeyernurmi: I have a new assignment to do a few tweaks in the UI.. we should catch up about this at some point16:52
ttx[ACTION] ttx to test UEC images + UEC kernel/ramdisk on karmic UEC16:52
MootBotACTION received:  ttx to test UEC images + UEC kernel/ramdisk on karmic UEC16:52
nurminiemeyer: thank you, I can't wait to check it out16:52
ttx[TOPIC] Other specs from the Roadmap16:52
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niemeyernurmi: I hope to have a patch by the end of the week for appreciation16:52
ttxI think at that point only the late specs (that we covered) are to be considered16:53
ttxespecially with asterisk done, iiuc16:53
nurminiemeyer: sounds good, please send me email if you're blocking or could use testing/integration16:53
ttx[TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs16:54
MootBotNew Topic:  Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs16:54
ttxhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html16:54
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niemeyernurmi: Awesome, thanks a lot16:54
ttxI'll have a look at the bugs assigned to soren to see if something needs to be reassigned before he comes back16:55
ttx[ACTION] ttx to see if some bugs assigned to soren need urgent reassignment16:55
MootBotACTION received:  ttx to see if some bugs assigned to soren need urgent reassignment16:55
ttxany other comments on that list ?16:56
ttx[TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz)16:56
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* ttx lies back and enjoys mathiaz taking over16:57
ttx(please :)16:57
mathiazright - so let's go through the list of bugs16:57
mathiazhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html16:57
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zulthe nut init script bug is probably a good candidate for jaunty i have to check though16:57
mathiazany bugs worth SRU in the list?16:58
mathiazzul: bug number?16:58
mathiazbug 41618216:58
zul#41618216:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416182 in nut "nut init script reports incorrect status" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41618216:58
DavieyWow eucalyptus is a large part.16:58
mathiazDaviey: yeah - that's kirkland's work16:58
mathiazDaviey: we can probaly ignore most of them16:58
ttxyes we can16:58
zulmathiaz: none of the php5 ones16:59
mathiazthere is bug 40439416:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404394 in kvm "qcow2 corruption regression" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40439416:59
mathiazkirkland: ^^ which I've hit on my server16:59
mathiazkirkland: (hardy - with the kvm 84 backport)16:59
mathiazkirkland: I can't use karmic guest + qcow2 + virtio16:59
mathiazzul: bug 424719?17:00
ubottuBug 424719 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/424719 is private17:00
kirklandarg17:00
kirklandmathiaz: i haven't had much time to look at that17:00
kirklands/much/any/17:01
mathiazkirkland: understood17:01
zulmathiaz: yeah its a bit hard to reproduce though for SRU testing17:01
mathiazallright - any bugs apart the nut init script SRU worthy from the list above?17:01
DavieyDoes that one need to be private?17:01
zuljust a sec17:01
zulDaviey: it isnt now17:02
mathiazzul: bug 416182 would be worth accepting for which release?17:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416182 in nut "nut init script reports incorrect status" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41618217:02
mathiazzul: hardy?17:02
zuljaunty i think17:02
mathiazzul: and what's the importance?17:02
zullow17:02
Davieythanks zul17:02
mathiazzul: ok - jaunty+low -> we can live with it17:03
mathiazanything else?17:03
zulnope17:03
zulnot from me17:03
mathiazok - let's move on to the next list17:03
mathiazhttp://us-hardynominated.notlong.com/17:04
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mathiazhttp://us-dappernominated.notlong.com/17:04
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Davieywouldn't seem SRU worthy to me?17:05
mathiazbug 35690517:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356905 in rabbitmq-server "rabbitmq-server: new upstream release fixes serious bugs " [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35690517:05
zuluh...its fixed in jaunty17:06
mathiazzul: right - declining17:07
mathiazthat's all for the nominated bugs17:07
mathiazlet's move on to the next list17:07
mathiazhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html17:07
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mathiazthis is the list of accepted bugs that have an assignee17:07
mathiazie someone working *actively* on preparing an sRU17:08
mathiazzul: what's the state of all your bugs?17:08
zulmost of those are in -proposed and need testers17:08
mathiazkirkland: bug 33215617:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332156 in kvm "Network issues with hardy guests/hosts, using default nic and virtio" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33215617:08
mathiazkirkland: still working on an SRU for it?17:08
kirklandmathiaz: no, not really17:08
kirklandmathiaz: should be fixed in the backport17:09
kirklandmathiaz: i'll note it17:09
mathiazkirkland: ok - and unassign yourself from the bug if necessary17:09
Davieyhmm, are we allowed to fix release via backport?17:09
kirklandDaviey: not usually17:10
kirklandDaviey: but for kvm, i've been doing so, as these bugs are not fixable otherwise17:10
mathiazzul: bug 382136?17:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 382136 in samba "Smbd startup failure caused by a failure to create an NT token for the guest account." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38213617:10
zuli need to look at that again17:10
mathiazok - that's all for this list17:12
mathiazon to the next17:12
mathiazhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+requestedreviews17:12
ttxew17:12
Daviey404?17:12
mathiazhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+activereviews17:12
mathiazso no one is using pkg branches for reviews17:13
ttxmathiaz: no more lists ?17:13
mathiazttx: nope - I ran out17:13
mathiazhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20resources17:13
ttx[TOPIC] 2009 Server survey status and call for action. (nijaba)17:13
MootBotNew Topic:  2009 Server survey status and call for action. (nijaba)17:13
mathiazttx: ah - no17:13
mathiazttx: I just wanted to reiterate17:13
nijabattx: so I have prepared a new version of the survey17:14
mathiazttx: that we're trying to use package branches for SRU17:14
nijabattx: and it is now time for review17:14
nijababackground: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Survey17:14
ttxnijaba: who should review ?17:14
nijabaaynone interested in the community17:15
nijabaI have put a test server in place: http://admin.barcet.com:8084/limesurvey17:15
ttxyay, let's slashdot that17:15
nijababugs should be reported on https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-survey/+filebug17:15
Davieynijaba: suggestions to https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-survey/+filebug ?17:15
ttxDaviey: you read minds17:16
nijabaDaviey: yes please17:16
ttxnijaba: anything else ?17:16
nijabanope17:16
ttx[TOPIC] Open Discussion17:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion17:16
ttxI've one thing I forgot to mention in the agenda17:16
ttxAbout https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Eucalyptus17:17
ttxits quite outdated especially now that we push usage of the UEC installer from the CD17:17
ttxif someone has some time to refresh it...17:17
ttxsee http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerECluster17:17
ttxhttp://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerENode17:18
MootBotLINK received:  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerENode17:18
ttxand http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerEConfig17:18
Davieyttx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Eucalyptus is still valid for Jaunty, so perhaps the pages need to be forked.. for a karmic and jaunty one?17:18
ttxthe last part shoudl probably be rewritten from the perspective of running imaghes from a client rather than from the cluster itself17:18
ttxDaviey: "Note: Please see Eucalyptus-Jaunty for documentation covering Eucalyptus on Ubuntu 9.04. "17:18
ttxat the top of the page17:19
Daviey"whoops"17:19
ttxthose testcases should help in getting started17:19
ttxwe refresh those instructions to correspond to the moving status in eucalyptus17:19
ttxanyone up to the challenge ?17:20
* ttx ponders writing a blog post after beta17:20
ttxAny other subject for Open Discussion ?17:20
DavieyYes!17:20
* alexm offers himself as doc tester17:20
alexmi'm interested in eucalyptus but i don't know where to start :(17:21
ttxalexm: the test cases should get you there. Minus the critical bugs we still have to fix :)17:21
DavieyI'll try and contribute to the wiki page, but i can't commit to doing the whole thing.17:21
alexms/doc tester/doc reviewer/17:22
ttxDaviey: ok, we'll do it wikistyle17:22
ttx[TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time17:22
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time17:22
DavieyCurrently we are installing -pae on 32bit and -server on amd64.. However, we don't install the linux-headers for the kernel installed/17:22
Davieyttx: wait 117:22
ttxdone17:22
alexmttx: we're talking about test cases running on karmic, i guess17:22
Davieydkms isn't installed by default.. and when dkms IS installed on a server it installs the -generic kernel17:22
Davieythis is bad.17:22
ttxalexm: karmic on karmic on karmic, yes17:23
alexmok, thanks :)17:23
Davieybug 433712 is related17:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433712 in ubuntu-meta "DKMS should be available on the ubuntu-server CD pool" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43371217:23
Davieydamn you kirkland17:23
ttxDaviey: is there a bug filed on that specific issue ?17:24
Davieyttx: no, only came to light this morning and wasn't sure how to proceed.17:24
kirklandDaviey: huh?17:24
Davieykirkland: sorry, i thought you fixed the issue just now.. as the status has changed to Fixed Released17:24
kirklandDaviey: no i just marked it fix released, since dkms is already on the server cd17:25
kirklandDaviey: which is what superm1 was askign for17:25
Davieykirkland: sure.17:25
Davieybut installing dkms doesn't pull in the correct kernel for what the server iso installs.17:26
ttxDaviey: if there is a persisting bug, just file one, please17:26
mathiazDaviey: right - kirkland run into the same issue with the kvm backport in hardy17:26
Davieyttx: will do.17:26
ttx[TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time17:26
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time17:26
kirklandyeah17:26
mathiazDaviey: AFICT there isn't a way to fix it in apt17:26
ttxsoren started a discussion about moving the time of the meeting.17:26
ttxI'd like all the usual suspects to submit their preferences, otherwise we might pick up a time that will not please you17:27
Davieycould http://www.doodle.com/ help with this?17:27
ttxDaviey: certainly.17:27
* ttx frowns at entering his email in one more place17:28
* alexm hasn't replied because thinks that key team members should speak first17:28
ttxnow that the discussion started on the list, its probably good to continue on the list17:29
alexmttx: there's no need to register for using doodle17:29
* mathiaz agrees17:30
ttxIf Doodle is ok with everyone... Daviey could you reply to the thread and set it up ?17:30
Davieywilco17:30
ttxmathiaz: with what ?17:30
mathiazDaviey: I'm not sure how doodle will help17:30
mathiazDaviey: you'd have to enter 24 different options17:30
mathiazDaviey: and we'd have to vote for each of them17:30
ttxthat's 2 * -1 against Doodle, lets do it UTC + ML style17:30
Davieymathiaz: you put in the time that is suitable(s)17:30
mathiazDaviey: http://www.doodle.com/BSP6n4bmdzyg5c3g17:31
mathiazDaviey: that seems like the creator of the poll creating the different options17:31
mathiazI'll reply to the ML thread.17:32
mathiazand then someone can sort it out17:32
Davieyok17:32
ttxok then17:33
ttx#endmeeting17:33
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:33.17:33
ttxmathiaz: i was wondering if we could cycle in writig the minutes17:33
mathiazttx: ok17:34
ttxmathiaz: much appreciated, thx17:34
Davieythanks17:36
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bjfRoll Call17:58
amitk_\o17:58
* ogasawara waves17:58
liebhi17:58
* rtg waves17:58
* jjohansen waves17:58
* sconklin is here17:58
bjfno apw, nor pgraner this week17:59
* cking_ here17:59
* csurbhi1 waves17:59
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smb\o17:59
* manjo waves17:59
bjf#startmeeting17:59
MootBotMeeting started at 11:59. The chair is bjf.17:59
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]17:59
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bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic18:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic18:00
bjf[TOPIC] Karmic Release Status: Bugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targe18:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Karmic Release Status: Bugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targe18:00
ogasawara * Release Meeting Bugs (8 bugs) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic18:00
ogasawara * RC Milestoned Bugs Beta (17 kernel bugs) - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1271518:00
ogasawara * Release Targeted Bugs (15 bugs) - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux18:00
bjf[TOPIC] Karmic Release Status: Milestoned Features18:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Karmic Release Status: Milestoned Features18:01
ogasawaraMilestoned Features - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta18:01
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-karmic-hwdb-workshop (ogasawara)18:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-karmic-hwdb-workshop (ogasawara)18:01
ogasawarabjf: Nothing new to report18:01
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-karmic-new-kernel-on-lts (rtg)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-karmic-new-kernel-on-lts (rtg)18:02
rtgI talked to marjo about getting some testing done. I'm gonna upload it this week.18:02
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-karmic-kms (anyone since apw is out)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-karmic-kms (anyone since apw is out)18:02
rtgthere are some AA components that need fixing, but will get kees or jjohansen to work on that18:02
bjfsorry, little quick there18:03
rtgall done18:03
bjfany kms status?18:03
rtgKMS is getting some love with the next upload (for Intel that is)18:03
rtgas soon as slangasek approves the kernel package18:03
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-karmic-review-of-non-upstreamed-code (smb)18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-karmic-review-of-non-upstreamed-code (smb)18:03
smbI would say that one is done. But I have to do the final edits in the spec. Hopefully tomorrow.18:04
bjfsmb, you want me to remove it from the agenda?18:04
smbleave it there to remind me in case I do not get t edit the spec18:04
bjfsmb, ack18:04
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-karmic-suspend-resume (manjo)18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-karmic-suspend-resume (manjo)18:04
manjonothing to update18:05
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: AppArmor (jjohansen)18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: AppArmor (jjohansen)18:05
jjohansenwell I have a couple known bugs to fix18:05
jjohansenbug 42794818:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427948 in apparmor "network operations not getting reported on karmic" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42794818:05
jjohansenI need to test and push the patch for18:06
bjfjjohansen, how is your progress on upstreaming?18:06
jjohansenI posted to LSM, and overall it has gone well, but I am waiting on more comments as people clear mail queue from plumbers18:06
jjohansenI have a couple questions I need to answer18:07
jjohansenand have pulled in some changes.18:07
jjohansen1, fix that I need to push into karmic18:07
bjfjjohansen, is that it?18:07
jjohansenI need to look at capability setting more, and come up with a solution that allows dropping caps18:07
jjohansenapparmor got pushed into initramfs this last week18:08
jjohansenthat caused some breakage, but kees did the patches18:08
keesafak, all the bugs from that are fixed18:09
jjohansenAA was pushed into initramfs so that policy could be loaded before parallel boot18:09
jjohansenyep18:09
jjohansenwe will need to change the solution in the future, but that waits on full upstartification18:09
jjohansenI think that is it18:10
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: ARM-Freescale/Marvell (amitk, bjf)18:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: ARM-Freescale/Marvell (amitk, bjf)18:10
amitk_* bug 438687 - need to fix fec ethernet to set the DRIVER property of N-M to work18:10
bjfMarvell is pretty stable, some new changes, some rebasing... got a Y1 reference board18:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438687 in network-manager "FEC driver does not set "DRIVER" property in udev which makes network-manager fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43868718:10
amitk_* bug 418238 - (fixed) fec ethernet driver18:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 418238 in linux-fsl-imx51 "Ethernet (FEC) not functional on Babbage with 2.6.31" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41823818:10
amitk_* bug 427289 - investigating RTC problems with imx5118:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427289 in linux-fsl-imx51 "hardware clock not saved if board power is removed on babbage 2.5" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42728918:10
amitk_* bug 319729 - debugging pselect/ppoll with jk at the sprint, continuing study of glibc wrappers18:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319729 in linux-fsl-imx51 "ARM architecture lacks support for pselect() and ppoll()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31972918:10
amitk_those bugs are taking up my time ATM18:11
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Karmic Kernel Status18:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Karmic Kernel Status18:11
jjohansenI need to finish bisecting the virtual style config problems18:12
rtgI rebased ec2 against 2.6.31-11.36 and uploaded last night18:12
jjohansenrtg: thanks, smoser was real happy to get that18:12
rtgthe primary reason was for an LSB test failure18:12
rtgjjohansen, I think its still in the waiting-to-be-approved queue18:13
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Karmic (rtg, apw)18:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Karmic (rtg, apw)18:13
rtgI've been messing with scheduler settings.18:13
rtgthe I/O CFQ was kind of broken, but an upstream cherry-pick has helped it out a lot18:14
rtgIt'll make the next upload.18:14
rtgother then that, some i915 enablement and performance fixes.18:14
rtg2.6.31.1 stable updates18:14
rtgthats about it.18:14
amitk_rtg: are you reverting back to CFQ then?18:14
rtgamitk_, I don't think so, perhaps we can swizzle it from userspace.18:15
rtgthe sysv-init package has been suggested as theright place18:15
bjf[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:16
smb* Dapper:   2.6.15-54.79 (security)18:16
smb* Hardy:    2.6.24-24.60 (updates)18:16
smb            2.6.24-24.61 (proposed)[0] (0/2 verifications)18:16
smb            (accepted 11 days ago but stuck in binary new until today)18:16
smb            LUM-2.6.24-24.41 (updates)18:16
smb* Intrepid: 2.6.27-14.41 (updates)18:16
smb* Jaunty    2.6.28-15.52 (updates)18:16
smbSo beside of Hardy, proposed is surprisingly empty. Which should make the18:16
smbupcoming security work a bit simpler.18:16
bjfi've rebased the fsl-imx51 topic branch (Jaunty) and will issue a pull request soon18:16
* smb takes that of his todo list.18:17
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)18:17
rtgbjf, I'm working on the Karmic pull request for mvl-dove right now18:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (ogasawara)18:17
ogasawara1 regression-potential bug this week (just needs to add a module to the d-i sata-modules file)18:17
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)18:18
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (ogasawara)18:18
rtgogasawara, bug number? I can fix it quickly18:18
ogasawaraToday's bug day - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/2009092918:18
ogasawaraCurrent stats can be seen at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kernel-bugday/20090929.html18:18
ogasawarartg: yup, just a sec and I'll get it18:18
smbhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/434827?comments=all18:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434827 in linux "karmic alpha6 alternate: Failure to detect Via VT6420 SATA controller" [Medium,Triaged]18:18
ogasawarartg: ^^18:19
bjf[TOPIC] Ubuntu Open Week (rtg)18:19
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep18:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Open Week (rtg)18:19
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep18:19
rtgogasawara, you have a topic picked out?18:19
ogasawarartg: no topic in particular just yet, but reserved my time slot18:20
ogasawarartg: like something Kernel QA related18:20
ogasawaras/like/likely/18:20
rtgis anyone else on the kernel team interested in conducting a session?18:20
rtgwell, if you are then go to that page and sign up.18:21
ogasawarartg: you'll likely have to "volunteer" others :)18:21
jjohansenI could do an AA session18:21
rtgjjohansen, works for me. thanks.18:21
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:22
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:22
jjohansencsurbhi: AppArmor18:22
csurbhiok18:22
csurbhithanks18:22
jjohansenor Alcoholics Anonymous ;)18:22
bjfgoing once ....18:23
bjfgoing twice ...18:23
bjfdone!18:23
smb\o/18:23
bjf#endmeeting18:23
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:23.18:23
amitk_thanks folks18:23
rtgciao18:23
liebbye18:23
csurbhiciao18:23
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