[02:35] <arrrghhh> i'm having pulseaudio issues... i can't run it from the init script and have it work.  the only way i can get pulse to work is when i run "pulseaudio -D".  the init script seems to run pulse OK, but i get no audio.
[03:01] <incentifit> What user should own /var/www ?
[03:02] <nick125> Isn't root supposed to own /var/www with www-data having read access?
[03:04] <Pici> no, it should be www-data:www-data iirc
[03:05] <nick125> Pici: I didn't think www-data should own /var/www for security reasons.
[03:07] <incentifit> I have an application, hudson, that I want to allow to write files into /var/www.  root:root currently owns/var/www.  I thought that if www-data was the user that started apache, it should own /var/www and I could just make hudson user a part of www-data group.  Is that the right thing to do?  Surely I should not make hudson part of root.
[05:53] <elijahwright1> i have a karmic VM in a bad state - on boot, it reports: "mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy"
[05:54] <elijahwright1> any ideas on how to fix straightforwardly?
[06:01] <elijahwright1> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   19 Jan 29  2009 S17procps.sh -> ../init.d/procps.sh  -- on the currently borken system, that points to a file that doesn't exist rather than to /etc/init.d/procps, which does.  trying a reboot now - hopefully that will fix it up.
[06:03] <elijahwright1> fudge, still no good.
[06:14] <smoser> if anyone is interested, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/431103/comments/15 has information on up ami/aki/ari triplets for testing for beta
[06:39] <pjarnahom> Is GUI is supported in server edition
[08:34] <roxy09> hi there ...somebody know which is the best RAID ARRAY to save emails?
[08:40] <szczym> helo how i could ls only one, the newest file in in given dir ?
[08:44] <acalvo> hi
[08:44] <maxagaz> how to find the last modified files in a directory including its subdirectories ?
[08:44] <acalvo> I'm getting an opendldap segfault every hour or so
[08:44] <acalvo> Sep 29 09:43:13 earth kernel: [60901.893100] slapd[28455]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f5f50bc8ee6 sp 00007f5f3ce793d8 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[7f5f50b48000+168000]
[08:52] <pwnguin> http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/database-soup/ubuntu-server-904-good-and-bad-34446
[09:14] <atomic_1> bad article
[09:16] <atomic_1> it doesnt have X, how else are you supposed to configure NICs
[09:16] <maxagaz> is it possible to check who's the last person who modified a file ?
[09:17] <atomic_1> well permissions can narrow down the search :)
[09:18] <atomic_1> maybe you can use use find with mtime and pair it with last
[09:18] <maxagaz> atomic_1, pair it ?
[09:19] <atomic_1> the -mtime parameter with find
[09:20] <atomic_1> and last shows you when the last user logons were
[09:21] <atomic_1> or if you know the file in question
[09:21] <atomic_1> see the modification date, see who has +w
[09:22] <atomic_1> and check their last login times
[09:35] <maxagaz> how to show the full /path/name with printf in find
[09:35] <maxagaz> i can't find the option
[09:35] <maxagaz> atomic_1, thanks
[09:39] <atomic_1> btw, find has -exec, which i like very much
[09:39] <atomic_1> though the xargs crowd would disagree ;)
[09:40] <_ruben> i use xargs, but only because i never bothered to look into -exec (do know of its existence) :)
[12:19] <GoTo> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[12:37] <g-hennux> hi!
[12:38] <g-hennux> where can i tell the nfs server (and anything needed for nfs) to listen only on a given network interface?
[12:59] <pmatulis> g-hennux: i don't think you can.  consider iptables/ufw
[12:59] <g-hennux> pmatulis: ok, thank you
[13:01] <KSid> hi guys
[13:01] <KSid> Has anyone managed to successfully install 9.04 on the latest VirtualPC RC?
[13:01] <KSid> This is on Win7
[13:02] <KSid> Everytime the installation completes and I try to boot Ubuntu I get segfaults left right and centre
[13:02] <KSid> I've read a lot of people have had the same problems but didn't come across any proposed solutions
[13:06] <zul> uh...no and it doesnt sound so serverish
[13:06] <kwork> anyone managed to install perl Net:IRR on 9.04 ?
[13:10] <erichammond> jjohansen, smoser: Catching a few hours of sleep.  I doubt I'll be up in time for our meeting in 4 hours.  I'll scan the logs afterwards or we can chat later in the day.
[13:17] <KSid> zul: Normally use Virtual Server but i as VirtualPC is part of Windows XP Mode of Win7 I thought I'd give it a go
[13:18] <KSid> I don't know if VirtualServer is even supported on Win7 at the moment but I suppose I should find out
[13:29]  * ttx tests UEC install on 20090929.2
[13:42] <amin888> so quite in here.........................
[13:43] <pmatulis> quiet?
[13:45] <amin888> no.. i mean quiet... english is not my primary language :)
[13:46] <amin888> just visit here... to find out what others's experience using ubuntu as server
[13:50] <_ruben> its quite quiet in fact ;) .. differs from time to time though :)
[14:08] <choop> hi all
[14:09] <choop> anyone able to help answer a newby question with Ubuntu and Apache?
[14:09] <Jeeves_> choop: Ask the question, and find out :)
[14:10] <choop> where is the webapps directory located when Apache2 is installed?
[14:10] <choop> I want to put a .war file there but can't find it
[14:10] <Jeeves_> You're mixing Apache2 with Tomcat
[14:11] <Jeeves_> apache2 does not serve .war files
[14:11] <Jeeves_> Tomcat does
[14:11] <choop> okay
[14:11] <choop> I installed apache2 using apt-get which went sucessfully
[14:11] <choop> so I need to install something else too?
[14:12] <Jeeves_> Yes, you would need to install something that runs java
[14:12] <choop> like the sun jdk?
[14:13] <Jeeves_> Well
[14:13] <Jeeves_> there's tomcat
[14:14] <choop> freenode-connect ; I'm using the web one on webchat.freenode.net
[14:15] <Pici> choop: freenode-connect is a bot, it automatically does a version request when you connect to freenode.
[14:15] <choop> thanks Jeeves_ can you recommend a resource to see how to install tomcat?
[14:15] <Pici> s/bot/network service/
[14:16] <Jeeves_> choop: 'apt-get install tomcat6'
[14:19] <choop> can't find that package...   apt-cache search returns only tomcat5.5
[14:20] <Jeeves_> ow
[14:20] <Jeeves_> 5.5 it is than
[14:23] <choop> will I be able to connect 5.5 to apache2 ?
[14:23] <Jeeves_> If you install mod-jk for apache, yes
[14:23] <Jeeves_> But really, you should find a howto
[14:23] <Jeeves_> this isn't very easy stuff
[14:23] <choop> yep! :-)  am in need of this...
[14:24] <choop> perhaps I'll try to download and install tomcat6
[14:30] <incentifit> www-data user apparently doesn't have write access to /var/www, only root.  I have another service, hudson, that needs write access to /var/www.  Should I make hudson a member of root group or should I give www-data permission to write to /var/www and make hudson a member of www-data group?
[14:34] <amin888> choop, try this howto : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/installing-tomcat-6-on-ubuntu
[14:35] <amin888> but i never use tomcat... i'm using php with apache and postgresql
[14:39] <biczd> ola
[14:39] <biczd> who know how to see the people connected on vsftpd?
[14:48] <ttx> smoser: ping
[14:48] <smoser> here
[14:48] <ttx> smoser: hey
[14:49] <ttx> smoser: We don't have UEC/EC2 beta candidates up atm... any ETA ?
[14:49] <ttx> (or at least they don't show up in the test tracker)
[14:50] <smoser> i can do that. i didn't realize i was supposed to have them up right now. i'll upload, and get those. process takes ~ 1 hour
[14:50] <ttx> smoser: I think it's good to have some now.
[14:50] <smoser> i agree
[14:50] <ttx> smoser: how automated is the build process ?
[14:51] <smoser> build process is fully automated. with the exception of updating (bzr pull) the bzr branches that runs the builds.
[14:51] <smoser> publishing, is what i was working on yesterday and more on today.
[14:52] <smoser> so, i'm going to pick http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/karmic/20090929/ and publish it
[14:53] <smoser> ttx, i would like to take a small diversion from the release process that we used  before
[14:53] <smoser> which could cause some confusion
[14:54] <smoser> rather than publishing something to a name like canonical-alphas-us/karmic-i386-beta , and making that available for the world to see
[14:54] <smoser> i would like to publish to canonical-testing-us/karmic-20090929
[14:55] <smoser> and then when we say "that looks good" to move those over to a more final resting place
[14:55] <ttx> that sounds logical
[14:56] <smoser> the issue is that you cannot move without regeneration of ami ids
[14:57] <ttx> smoser: I don't really like changing the last-minute process, especially if you plan not to be around all day :)
[15:27] <pjarnahom> how to install GUI in Server
[15:29] <jacovt> pjarnahom: Try apt-get install ubuntu-server-desktop
[15:30] <genii> !info ubuntu-server-desktop
[15:31] <genii> Hm
[15:31] <acalvo> still having a problem with openldap
[15:31] <acalvo> it segfault
[15:31] <acalvo> Sep 29 15:16:44 earth kernel: [10469.810861] slapd[4496]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f37ae4a4ee9 sp 00007f37a8db12c8 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[7f37ae424000+168000]
[15:31] <acalvo> _ruben: ping?
[15:32] <pjarnahom> jacovt: Do we need any files for that
[15:32] <ScottK> pjarnahom and jacovt: There is no such thing as a "Server Desktop".  You can sudo apt-get install ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu-desktop as you prefer
[15:33] <jacovt> Yes. My bad. I meant ubuntu-desktop.
[15:33] <pjarnahom> ScottK:is it willl download any thing
[15:33] <ScottK> pjarnahom: Yes.  It will download and install all the packages needed that aren't on your system already.
[15:34] <pjarnahom> ScottK:s but am using in vmware
[15:34] <ScottK> Also any support questions related to what happens after you install it belong on #ubuntu and not here.
[15:34] <ScottK> pjarnahom: How does that matter?
[15:34] <pjarnahom> ScottK:can we use desktop edition for that
[15:35] <ScottK> I wouldn't know, but that would be a question for #ubuntu
[15:35] <pjarnahom> ok..
[15:35] <pjarnahom> k...thank a lot for ur hlp..
[15:45] <zul> smoser: yo are the beta images up yet?
[15:46] <smoser> i'm slow, eh
[15:46] <smoser> almost
[15:47] <_ruben> acalvo: i have zero experience with openldap (yet)
[15:47] <acalvo> _ruben: mm thanks
[15:47] <acalvo> :)
[15:47] <_ruben> acalvo: its one of many things on my todo list :)
[15:49] <acalvo> do you know where I can get an updated packages for openldap?
[15:49] <acalvo> it crashes every hour
[15:49] <acalvo> I don't think it's the best solution
[15:49] <acalvo> but may help
[15:50] <_ruben> if it crashes every hour you should file a bug on launchpad
[15:50] <acalvo> that's what I was thinking... but I didn't update anything and until yesterday it was working fine
[15:51] <acalvo> I don't want to fill a bug when, maybe, it some kind of misconfiguration
[15:57] <Daviey> Meeting ->
[16:08] <acalvo> well, I've seen there a new update for the server kernel
[16:21] <bjaspan> erichammond: ping
[16:30] <bobg> i am setting up a jaunty ldap server using gosa to admin it. I am struggling getting a good schema put together with samba3 + postfix email + gosa extensions. Any advise on how to easily collect the schemas and resolve the dependency problems?
[16:36] <smoser> hey all, there are beta candiates up on ec2 now
[16:36] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/281408/
[16:36] <smoser> as far as i'm aware, all bugs targetted for beta in ec2/uec images are contained in them: http://tinyurl.com/yazgzzf
[16:40] <amin888> .
[16:40] <bobg> smoser: excuse my ignorance but is ec2 the amazon service?  I thought that amazon had a closed set of kernels that you had to use
[16:42] <ttx> kirkland: if using IP instead of localhost works (like in walrus-registration) you should probably get rid of my ugly sleep 5
[16:43] <kirkland> ttx: k
[16:51] <smoser> bobg, sorry for late response.
[16:52] <smoser> yes, you're right. building and uploading kernels and initramdisk is not allowed for "normal" accounts.
[16:52] <smoser> but amazon does allow certain accounts to do it. the "canonical" account has access to do this.
[16:53] <smoser> our kernel team (primarily zul and jjohansen) have produced the most current kernels available on ec2
[17:00] <jjohansen> smoser, time for EC2 kernel status meeting
[17:00] <smoser> ok.
[17:00] <smoser> i've not really got anything, other than, look up and i have kernels published everywhere
[17:01] <smoser> i guess we can talk here about  my versioning issues
[17:01] <jjohansen> yeah, just a sec
[17:01] <jjohansen> I asked rtg to join since he knows that stuff much better than me
[17:02] <rtg> jjohansen, dude
[17:02] <jjohansen> rtg smoser has a kernel versioning question
[17:02] <jjohansen> we are doing the EC2 kernel status meeting
[17:02] <rtg> smoser, yes?
[17:03] <smoser> ok. so, we have 2 places that we want to provide kernel binaries and initramdisks
[17:03] <smoser> on amazon (the linux-ec2 flavour) and on uec-images (the linux-virtual flavour)
[17:04] <smoser> when i publish something to either of these places, i need a unique name for it.
[17:04] <smoser> i had intended to just use the version of linux-ec2
[17:05] <rtg> smoser, doesn't the ABI number make the binary package name unique?
[17:05] <smoser> but it appears that that isn't enough.
[17:05] <smoser> the abi number is "300" in 2.6.31.300.0 ?
[17:06] <rtg> smoser, yes
[17:06] <smoser> so there will never be another linux-image-ec2 package with version 2.6.31.300.0
[17:06] <smoser> err.. wait. with version: 2.6.31.300 ?
[17:07] <rtg> smoser, correct. the ABI change will be 2.6.31.301
[17:07] <rtg> the next*
[17:07] <smoser> maybe i'm just foggy on what abi change means.
[17:08] <smoser> i would not have thought that zul's last patch would cause an ABI change
[17:08] <smoser> yet, the kernel released was functionally different for me, and i much prever the newer one.
[17:08] <rtg> smoser, its just an arbitrary number, but since its part of the package name, each time it changes you have a _new_ package name
[17:08] <smoser> s/prever/prefer/
[17:08] <jjohansen> ABI is compatability of kernel apis
[17:08] <zul> it would
[17:08] <smoser> it would ?
[17:09] <rtg> zul, the only difference was the console stuff.
[17:09] <smoser> you're sure? i would have thought it didn't change any signatures or anything that would have caused abi differences
[17:09] <zul> rtg: ack
[17:09] <rtg> smoser, so, the first release was 2.6.31.300.1, right?
[17:09] <rtg> that one had console issues.
[17:10] <smoser> ok.
[17:10] <rtg> the next release (a version update only) has the console fix, 2.6.31-300.2
[17:10] <rtg> (or maybe it was .3)
[17:10] <smoser> .3
[17:10] <rtg> have to look at the changelog
[17:10] <smoser> but no matter
[17:10] <jjohansen> .3
[17:11] <rtg> ok, so I don't understand your dilemma
[17:11] <smoser> hm... well, i gues here is where it started.
[17:11] <smoser> i wanted to only pay attention to 'linux-ec2'
[17:12] <smoser> but that is apparently stuck at Version: 2.6.31.300.0
[17:12] <bobg> smoser: thanks for the info. Do you know of  a stable hardy kernel for xen?  Our hardy server in amazon works but on our own xen server with teh stock xen kernel, we get "stuck cpu" kernel crashes when we load up our application
[17:13] <rtg> smoser, I think what you really want to depend on is linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2
[17:13] <smoser> but then how do i come up with the fairly arbitrary string of "-300" ?
[17:13] <bobg> the amazon kernel seems to be named after fedora 8 (fc8), but I could not get that kernel to work with ubuntu -- probably needs to have different kernel compile options
[17:14] <rtg> smoser, uh, you just use it? perhaps you should be depending on the meta package instead.
[17:14] <jjohansen> bobg: yeah you can't boot ubuntu with a fc8 kernel
[17:15] <bobg> jjohansen: smoser, so is there a stable xen kernel for hardy?
[17:16] <smoser> bobg, i'm sorry, i will respond to your questions, just trying to not waste more of rtg's time
[17:16] <jjohansen> bobg: do you have problems with the one bundled with the hardy ami?
[17:16] <smoser> rtg, so it will never change ?
[17:16] <smoser> $ apt-cache show linux-ec2 | grep Version
[17:16] <smoser> Version: 2.6.31.300.0
[17:16] <bobg> smoser: np, thanks for letting me know -- I will be around for a while
[17:16] <rtg> smoser, when next I change the ABI in the ec2 kernel, then I will definitely update the meta package.
[17:17] <smoser> the 'linux-image' that you suggest i should watch is "linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2"
[17:17] <smoser> ok.
[17:17] <rtg> smoser, actually, I mispoke. you _should_ be using the meta package. what you are currently doing is correct.
[17:17] <smoser> so then in the future, the meta package would depend on 2.6.31.300.X where X was correct ?
[17:18] <smoser> right now linux-ec2 depends on
[17:18] <smoser> Depends: linux-image-ec2 (= 2.6.31.300.0)
[17:18] <rtg> linux-ec2 _is_ the meta package, and currently depends on linux-image-2.6.31-300
[17:18] <bobg> jjohansen: yes, when we run our app's batch loading process under xen+hardy it crashes with "stuck cpu".  hardy physical machine is fine and hardy in amazon (with the amazon propriatary kernel) is fine
[17:18] <rtg> in the future it will depend on linux-image-2.6.31-301-ec2
[17:19] <rtg> (or whatever the package name is with the new ABI)
[17:19] <smoser> and there will only ever be released one package of linux-image-2.6.31-301-ec2 ?
[17:19] <smoser> so i guess the 2 things i'm confused on
[17:19] <rtg> smoser, there could be multiple versions of that package, as there are already.
[17:20] <smoser> a.) linux-ec2 currently has a differently formated version than other meta packages (2.6.31.300.0 rather than -300.0)
[17:20] <rtg> note that changing the ABI creates a new package name, _not_ a new version
[17:20] <smoser> ok. thats what i thought.
[17:20] <smoser> so i need to pay attention to the version of the linux-image-ec2
[17:21] <rtg> smoser, yeah, an updated version likely indicates a new ABI (but not always)
[17:21] <smoser> i think thats what i needed.
[17:22] <rtg> smoser, I take it that you're trying to trigger a new AMI build when the kernel changes.
[17:22] <smoser> my goal is to have something "watch" the archives. and each time a new build for ec2 arrives automatically publishes it and names it uniquely
[17:23] <rtg> smoser, right. I think kirkland could be of great assistance in the endeavor.
[17:23] <smoser> rtg, then i'll bother him and stop bothering you
[17:23] <smoser> sorry for all this
[17:23] <smoser> i really was just underprepared for asking
[17:23] <rtg> smoser, np, I learned it the hard way myself
[17:24] <smoser> so future releases of linux-ec2 will be versioned with '-XYZ.M' rather than '.XYZ.M' right ?
[17:24] <smoser> that was just a temporary inconsistency ?
[17:26] <rtg> smoser, nope, it is what it is. the next meta package version will be (for example) linux-image-ec2_2.6.31.301.4 (I think). Note that everything _after_ THE UNDERBAR IS PART OF THE VERSION, NOT PART OF THE NAME.
[17:26] <rtg> opps
[17:26] <rtg> caps lock crept in there.
[17:26] <smoser> ok. why the difference ? was that intended ?
[17:27] <smoser> bobg, jjohansen is definitely a much better resource than i for such questions.  In his (and everyone's) experience ec2 is a magical place where not everything is as it seems.
[17:27] <rtg> smoser, likely inadvertent
[17:28] <smoser> rtg, ok. i think i have all i need. and will bother kirkland for some insight as you suggested
[17:28] <jjohansen> bobg: I will need to look at it, do you have a bug filed already?
[17:28] <smoser> bobg, what is "xen+hardy" ? what version of xen dom0, what guest kernel ?
[17:29] <unimatrix> what would be the best way to limit bandwidth to certain clients on a ubuntu linux router?
[17:30] <bobg> jjohansen: no, but I saw "stuck cpu" bugs against hardy and assumed it was related. In the xen channel people considered the 2.6.24-xen kernel that hardy uses to be 'buggy' wrt xen
[17:30] <smoser> rtg, ok. one last query:
[17:30] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/karmic/20090929/ubuntu-uec-karmic-amd64.manifest
[17:31] <smoser> shows that:
[17:31] <smoser>   linux-ec2 2.6.31.300.0
[17:31] <smoser>   linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2 2.6.31-300.3
[17:31] <smoser>   linux-image-ec2 2.6.31.300.0
[17:31] <jjohansen> bobg: okay, I was actually unaware of that, I haven't actually done anything with the hardy kernel yet
[17:32] <jjohansen> bobg: I will go have a look at it
[17:32] <rtg> smoser, ok, looks right
[17:32] <biczd> ola how to see the people connected on vsftpd?
[17:32] <bobg> I have relunctantly  moved away from the LTS on to jaunty for production VMs -- I just noticed smoser talking about ec2 ubuntu kernels and thought maybe he would just know of a better xen kernel for hardy
[17:32] <bobg> jjohansen:
[17:34] <smoser> rtg, ok. i'l stop bothering you for now
[17:34] <smoser> i promise this time
[17:35] <smoser> i guess mailin i was confused because version of linux-ec2 and version of linux-image-ec2 != version of linux-image-2.6.31-300-ec2
[17:35] <jjohansen> bobg: well we don't have any other kernels for hardy but obviously there are some bugs there that I need to  look into
[17:35] <smoser> but i think the answer is that they're not necissarily linked
[17:36] <bobg> jjohansen: don't feel like you have to do anything on this since we have found a solution in jaunty -- I figure the next LTS will be out next year and we will move to that
[17:36] <rtg> smoser, yes, you have to be careful to distinguish the package name from the version. the meta package stuff can be really confusing until you grok the difference
[17:36] <Daviey> mathiaz / ttx - http://www.doodle.com/yqturgidix7xx8mq ?
[17:37] <jjohansen> bobg: well I do need to look into it because hardy is our current LTS
[17:37] <jjohansen> and is going to be supported for a while
[17:37] <bobg> I figure it must be a narrow issue that our application happens to bump into since most people seem to not be complaining
[17:37] <mathiaz> Daviey: cool
[17:37] <ttx> Daviey: cool
[17:37] <jjohansen> bobg: yeah
[17:38] <bobg> jjohansen: I see your point -- I have to go now, but I will file a bug later -- or add our information to an existing bug to help you out
[17:38] <jjohansen> bobg: thanks
[17:38] <mathiaz> Daviey: let's use that doodle pool
[17:38] <mathiaz> Daviey: can you send the link to the ML thread
[17:38] <Daviey> it is unrepresentative of the fact a meeting is > 1hr.. but i thought it was a good idea for meeting *start time*.. Also i included Weekend.. which is post likely a "no go"
[17:38] <mathiaz> Daviey: ?
[17:39] <Daviey> mathiaz: on it
[17:40] <mathiaz> Daviey: and make sure to specify to update the timezone in the pool
[17:40] <mathiaz> Daviey: *poll*
[17:40] <jjohansen> smoser: I don't have anything else to add, can we call the meeting adjourned?
[17:40] <mathiaz> Daviey: otherwise it will screw things up for every one
[17:40] <smoser> so are you thinking about config option update sometime soon ?
[17:40] <smoser> jjohansen, thats the only other nag i have
[17:41] <jjohansen> smoser: okay, thanks
[17:41] <smoser> ttx, or mathiaz are you able to update iso tracker ?
[17:41] <smoser> jjohansen, question above there ^
[17:41] <Daviey> mathiaz: will do
[17:41] <mathiaz> smoser: nope
[17:41] <mathiaz> smoser: IIRC slangasek can
[17:41] <smoser> there is lots of clicking required for doodle, eh?
[17:42] <ttx> smoser: ask in #ubuntu-release
[17:42] <ttx> smoser: also discuss there what would need to be done while you're away in beta day
[17:43] <smoser> well hopefully nothing
[17:43] <ttx> smoser: :)
[17:43]  * ttx drops out of sight, bbl
[17:44] <Daviey> smoser: It defaults to "not avaliable" so it depends how avaliable you are :)
[17:47] <smoser> well its not like i have a life outside ubuntu-server.
[17:58] <Daviey> smoser: Tab and arrows work \o/
[17:58] <smoser> could have told me that earlier ;-)
[17:58] <smoser> I'm already in
[17:59] <Daviey> Hmm, doesn't work that well actually.. :(
[18:15] <smoser> any eucalyptus folks know if s3cmd will/would work with eucalyptus ?
[18:15] <zul> smoser: do you have a list of bugs that are suppose to be fixed for beta?
[18:16] <smoser> http://tinyurl.com/yazgzzf
[18:18] <mathiaz> smoser: try #eucalyptus?
[18:26] <zul> mathiaz: ping are you testing the beta?
[18:27] <mathiaz> zul: yes
[18:27] <zul> mathiaz: when you do the install can you run tasksel after it looks a bit weird to me
[18:29] <zul> mathiaz: this is what I get http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/screenshot-tasksel.png
[18:31] <mathiaz> zul: yeah - that's unsual
[18:31] <mathiaz> zul: yeah - that's unusual
[18:46] <zul> mathiaz: im going to open a bug
[18:47] <zul> i think
[18:57] <zoopster> smoser: I am 90% sure that s3cmd works with eucalyptus
[18:58] <smoser> zoopster, per neckro_ " it does but you have to hack it a bit since the authentication in s3cmd assumes that there is not service path"
[18:59] <zoopster> ah...good to know smoser
[19:12] <zul> mathiaz: ah already been reported as #438546
[20:46] <Guest77038> can anyone point in the direction of how to upgrade my kernal?
[20:46] <Guest77038> I am using a server on rackspace cloud and it has the 2.6.24-24-xen kernal
[20:49] <Guest77038> dont mistake the ubuntu channel for the ubutnu+1 chan
[21:33] <garnold_> hello, has anyone successfully scripted the install of sun-java6-jdk
[21:33] <dendrobates> Guest77038: you cannot change your kernel on the rackspacecloud, at this time.
[21:34] <garnold_> is there anyway to auto-accept the license when running in non-interactive mode?
[21:38] <jbernard_> garnold_: have you tried passing '--force-yes' ?
[21:40] <garnold_> jbernard_: no, i haven't... let me give that a try
[22:09] <ahe> i'm writing a web ui in python which backups certain directories of a server with tar
[22:10] <ahe> i don't want the web ui to run as root for obvious reasons but at least for restoring the backups and sometimes even for creating the backups i need super user privileges
[22:10] <ahe> is there some kind of a best practice for my scenario?
[22:13] <ahe> i also want my python code to stay flexible so that i can still pass a list of files to backup to a backup function and not have this list hard coded somewhere
[22:14] <ahe> i think about writing a setuid c program for backup and one for restore that accept a list of directories/files to backup/restore
[22:15] <ahe> to make this secure they could check from a file only writable by root if those directories/files are allowed and otherwise terminate
[23:32] <S0ckPants> weird question
[23:32] <S0ckPants> how do i restart apache
[23:32] <S0ckPants> can't find any working way
[23:37] <S0ckPants> ah finally
[23:37] <S0ckPants> aight, nvm :)