[06:57] <ara> good morning all!
[07:02]  * ara takes ubuntu server i386 full disk to start the day with
[07:54]  * ara takes ubuntu server i386 (default + crypted LVM)
[08:29] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:43] <ara> morning davmor2
[12:19] <ara> quick reminder to all people at #ubuntu-testing: we are now testing Karmic Beta!! http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/karmic-beta-testing/
[12:38]  * ara takes ubuntu desktop i386 full disk
[12:40]  * ara -> lunch
[12:57] <davmor2> hey fader|away stop hiding we know you're there really :)  good news dude side by side installs work again :)
[12:58] <davmor2> I'll save the bad for latter :)
[14:22] <davmor2> cr3: morning dude
[14:24] <cr3> davmor2: yo mama
[14:25] <davmor2> cr3: that's a scary thought if every I had one, being your momma ;)
[14:27] <cr3> davmor2: that could explain a lot though
[14:28] <pedro_> hah hey folks
[14:28] <davmor2> hello pedro_
[14:28] <fader_> davmor2: What's the bad news?
[14:31] <davmor2> fader_: yes wubi still broke, oem should be fixed, side by side works,  the biggest bad news means you've got more tests to run ;)
[14:32] <fader_> davmor2: I guess you keep me off the streets and out of trouble
[14:32] <fader_> ;)
[14:33] <davmor2> I thought the chains and straight jacket did that :P
[14:36] <davmor2> right ubuntu back up to date I'm starting on alternate I think
[14:38] <fader_> davmor2: I've got some reports to run and then I'll start testing images, assuming you leave any for anyone else :)
[14:39] <davmor2> fader_: these are only dummies to play with they will be respun for wubi if nothing else :)
[14:39] <davmor2> fader_: You know me full of good news :)
[14:39] <fader_> Heh
[14:40] <fader_> You just want them all for yourself
[14:40] <davmor2> no, no I'm not a hog help yourself ;)
[14:53] <ara> davmor2, is alt going to be respun as well? I thought it was not
[14:53] <davmor2> ara: alt has been respun .2
[14:54] <davmor2> ara: in saying that though it doesn't mean it won't get respun.  Depends on the blockers
[14:54] <ara> davmor2, yes, that's what I meant. That there is not going (hopefully) to be a .3
[14:55] <ara> it might or it might not
[14:55] <ara> .2 can be beta
[14:55]  * ara takes alt i386 full disk
[14:55] <davmor2> ara: probably be a whole new image to start again with tomorrow
[14:55] <ara> davmor2, as usual :D
[14:55] <davmor2> ara: already running it
[14:55] <davmor2> along with 64bit
[14:56] <ara> davmor2, ok, then I'll go with auto-resize
[14:56]  * ara takes i386 alt auto-resize
[15:36] <davmor2> ara: on your next run can you check something for me please open empathy, close the account window, hit edit accounts and create an irc channel account, wait for nickserve to appear in the indicator applet and then click on it.  read it close the window and see if the nickserve message stays in the indicator applet.   Only seems to effect first run
[15:36] <davmor2> if you click it again empathy should just crash out
[15:36] <ara> davmor2, confirmed, that happens to me in my karmic installation
[15:37] <ara> davmor2, for jabber messages as well
[15:37] <ara> davmor2, don't know how to reproduce it consistently, though
[15:37] <davmor2> bug 438656
[15:37] <ubot4`> davmor2: Bug 438656 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/438656 is private
[15:38] <davmor2> un privates it
[15:38] <ara> is an ubuntu bug? or some other project?
[15:39] <davmor2> I think it is to do with the behaviour within the indicator applet it never crashed out on me before
[15:44] <ara> davmor2, indeed it is related with the indicator-applet call back
[15:57]  * davmor2 takes encrypt lvm on 32 and 64 ubuntu
[16:03]  * ara takes alternate i386 expert mode
[16:04] <fader_> davmor2: What's the scoop on mythbuntu?  Is it going to be respun soon?
[16:05] <davmor2> pass
[16:06] <davmor2> no I think .2 is safe for today at the moment at least
[16:10] <fader_> Woohoo
[16:11] <davmor2> fader_: notice the uses of the word moment ;)
[16:11] <fader_> Shhh, leave me my beautiful illusions.
[16:13] <davmor2> fader_: shouldn't there be a d in front of that last word
[16:16] <fader_> Probably.
[16:37]  * davmor2 takes rescue and freedesktop on alt ubuntu
[16:37] <davmor2> oh and makes a start on kub alt
[16:42] <pvullo> hi ! to test the (futur) Karmic beta, I just have to replace Jaunty by Karmic in my sources.list ? Or I have to do something else ?
[16:43] <davmor2> pvullo: just run update-manager -d iirc
[16:43] <pvullo> without modifying the sources.list !?
[16:43] <pvullo> ok, then
[16:43] <pvullo> .
[16:44] <davmor2> pvullo: yes it does all that for you
[16:44] <fader_> pvullo: "update-manager -d" will do the updating for you
[16:44] <pvullo> great
[16:44] <pvullo> thks
[16:44] <davmor2> fader_: I had to think then haven't done an upgrade in a why :)
[16:44] <davmor2> while even
[16:45]  * fader_ imagines that davmor2 is probably still running warty.
[16:45] <davmor2> fader_: I think I still have the cd knocking about
[16:46] <davmor2> fader_: I tend to do fresh installs and blow out all the cobwebs
[16:47] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, I'm eagerly awaiting karmic to go gold so I can do the same
[16:49] <davmor2> ditto I'm liking the new look :)
[16:50] <fader_> Indeed
[17:00] <davmor2> fader_: I find the amount of things you don't install goes down each release :)
[17:01] <fader_> Eh?  What do you mean?
[17:02] <davmor2> fader_: I don't make a log of what I install.  So if I don't install in the new version I don't waste the hd space installing it.  not had vbox installed for a while casue of using kvm etc
[17:03] <fader_> Ahh, gotcha
[17:05] <fader_> The new default Myth theme is really nice
[17:27] <fader_> Anybody seen any problems with ubiquity not starting in 'install foobuntu' mode?
[17:27] <fader_> The live environment worked fine but 'Install Mythbuntu' doesn't seem to start Ubiquity :(
[17:28] <fader_> Maybe it's just slow... good excuse to go make some tea.
[17:43] <fader_> bug 438816 if anyone else sees something similar
[17:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 438816 in mythbuntu "Ubiquity doesn't start in 'Install Mythbuntu' mode on latest build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438816
[17:49] <davmor2> fader_: maybe your slow and it's finished and your looking at the installed system ;)
[17:49] <fader_> davmor2: If that's the case, the bug is that there's no window manager installed ;)
[17:50] <davmor2> that sounds believable why do you need a windows manager it plugs into the tele right
[17:52] <fader_> Because I like my movies full-screened ;)
[18:09]  * davmor2 takes oems
[19:09] <sbeattie> davmor2: does jockey work correctly for you?
[19:09] <davmor2> sbeattie: on nvidia on ati yes why?
[19:10] <sbeattie> davmor2: okay, just seeing an odd behavior here, where I told it disable fglrx, and the atuhenticate window stayed open after I'd entered my password, blocking jockey from actually doing anything.
[19:11] <davmor2> sbeattie: ah not tried disabling to be honest two ticks
[19:12] <sbeattie> but I'm seeing lots of odd behavior with this hardware, and I'm running my session in vnc, so there's a couple of elements that may be unique to my situation.
[19:13] <davmor2> sbeattie: ah that could be the issue then.  When pitti was fixing an issue with ati not installing he was unable to run jockey using ssh I had to run it locally and then he would pick up the reports
[19:14] <davmor2> oem worked for the first time this release Yay for cjwatson :)
[19:17] <sbeattie> davmor2: also, if you boot into rescue mode, are you then able to fsck the root filesystem?
[19:20] <davmor2> sbeattie:  I can but I don't access the root drive when I do that because that mounts the drive your trying to fsck and it causes issue.  or has for me every time I've run it that way
[19:20] <sbeattie> davmor2: hrm, the option worked in jaunty
[19:21] <davmor2> I'll give it a go and see
[19:22] <davmor2> sbeattie: jockey removes as easily as it installs
[19:28] <davmor2> sbeattie: ah I know why it wasn't that it didn't work fsck threw up the warning running e2fsck on a mount fs may cause severe fs damage
[19:28] <davmor2> but that runs fine after that
[19:30] <davmor2> sbeattie: so jockey removes fine and fsck works too
[19:34] <sbeattie> davmor2: cool, thanks.
[19:35] <davmor2> np's
[19:37]  * davmor2 moves onto Kubuntu alts
[20:16] <bdmurray> davmor2: I just did encrypted lvm i386
[20:16] <bdmurray> well, am doing and need to report it
[20:16] <davmor2> bdmurray: is that on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:17] <bdmurray> kubuntu alternate i386
[20:18] <davmor2> thanks I'll skip it for now then :)
[20:38] <davmor2> fader_: did you let the RT know about the install bug you had that is fairly major?
[20:40] <fader_> davmor2: Are you referring to bug 438816?
[20:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 438816 in ubiquity "Ubiquity doesn't start in 'Install Mythbuntu' mode on latest build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438816
[20:40] <davmor2> fader_: hang on it's not that it does start then it just goes to desktop instead
[20:40] <fader_> davmor2: Right
[20:41] <fader_> It goes to the desktop with no wm (but it does have an application menu, the icon to launch the installer, etc.)
[20:41] <davmor2> like bug from alpha 6 then ;)
[20:41] <fader_> It didn't seem super-critical to me... something that could be release noted
[20:41] <fader_> Though obviously I'm not the final arbiter of that :)
[20:41] <davmor2> oh that is slightly different then :)
[21:02] <slangasek> new ubuntu desktop ISOs up for testing
[21:06] <slangasek> and kubuntu
[21:09] <slangasek> fader_: and I think bug #438816 is already fixed \o/
[21:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 438816 in ubiquity "Ubiquity doesn't start in 'Install Mythbuntu' mode on latest build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438816
[21:09] <fader_> slangasek: w00t!
[21:10] <fader_> slangasek: Are you planning a respin of mythbuntu?
[21:10] <slangasek> fader_: already scheduled
[21:10] <slangasek> (it's right behind xubuntu in the queue)
[21:10] <fader_> Heh, I *just* finished the i386 image ;)
[21:12] <davmor2> fader_: I did say at the MOMENT!!!!!! moment being the operative word :D
[21:12] <fader_> davmor2: Meh, I blame you anyway :)
[21:13] <davmor2> fader_: hey no fair blame is cr3's job
[21:14] <fader_> So 20090929.2 is the most up-to-date on ubuntu desktop now, right?
[21:14]  * fader_ starts a download and steps away for ~10 minutes.
[21:15] <davmor2> fader_: does it say 0/8 on the tracker if so then yes :)
[21:15] <fader_> davmor2: It doesn't  -- that's why I asked
[21:15] <fader_> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3103/4
[21:15] <fader_> My guess is that's a result from the previous spin that just had bad timing, but I'm not sure
[21:17] <davmor2> fader_: Meh what?
[21:18] <davmor2> fixed loop killed the entire system I can't see that happening some how
[21:28]  * davmor2 installing vista for wubi test (please god work) burning ubuntu i386 installing encrypted lvm on kub 64 and oem on kub 32bit
[21:30] <fader_> davmor2: You've got to be an expert at installing Vista by now :)
[21:30] <davmor2> fader_: it's the wubi test that I want to work :P
[21:31] <davmor2> fader_:  I am an expert at vista installs that's why I've start on the complex install that this thing called ooboontoo uses
[21:32] <davmor2> bit of a challenge I thought
[21:33] <fader_> Heh, it's funny because on the rare occasions that I want to put Windows on a machine, I spend a half day just trying to find drivers and such and swearing about how painful the install is :)
[21:33] <davmor2> really I don't have that issue at all honest gov'nor
[22:04] <slangasek> fader_: mythbuntu posted
[22:05] <fader_> slangasek: Thanks, I'll grab those next.  I'm trying to reproduce lemmyg's bugs on desktop amd64
[22:05] <fader_> (So far no luck there -- it's working for me)
[22:12] <slangasek> fader_: is lemmyg on IRC?  and what's that hash included in his comments?
[22:13] <fader_> slangasek: He doesn't appear to be that I can find... and I have no idea.
[22:13] <slangasek> bad burn, maybe, since that hash isn't anything from our *SUMS files
[22:13] <fader_> Maybe the Md5 of the image he's using?
[22:13] <fader_> Yeah, I checked and couldn't find it there :/
[22:13] <fader_> I'll go comment on his bug that I can't reproduce it and ask him to check his image
[22:14] <fader_> Oh wait, he didn't file one... heh
[22:16] <fader_> slangasek: I'll chuck him an email and ask him to check his image, file bugs in LP when he finds them :) and to consider joining this channel
[22:16] <davmor2> Yay we're so popular now that the tracker's getting spam
[22:22] <fader_> :P
[22:22] <fader_> Assuming it's the same lemmyg on launchpad, he's filed bugs before, so maybe he just forgot or didn't have time
[22:23] <fader_> Maybe we can get him to join us here in the zoo :)
[22:23] <davmor2>  Freak show from independence day (aka the vault)
[22:54] <fader_> I don't know what lemmyg was testing but I can't reproduce it :/
[22:54] <fader_> Though IMO that's good news :)
[23:01] <davmor2> Yay