| newz2000 | did I miss anythign while I was offline? | 16:32 |
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| rugby471 | newz2000: thanks for choosing my design :-) | 17:09 |
| rugby471 | (I am Andrew) | 17:10 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: once question, which of the colours do you want mine to be (I presume the original colour?) | 17:10 |
| newz2000 | rugby471: hi rugby471, nice to meat you | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | yes, the original colour was the most liked | 17:11 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: nice to *meat* you too :-) | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | Do you think you'll have time to pull the chagnes together and complete them? | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | oops | 17:11 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: cool thanks | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | sorry, multi tasking | 17:11 |
| rugby471 | hehe np | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | and it's near lunch time | 17:12 |
| newz2000 | lol | 17:12 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: I should be able to yes :-) | 17:15 |
| newz2000 | awesome, if you need anything, ping me or kwwii | 17:16 |
| newz2000 | When you name your images if you could follow the convention of the past versions it would be a big help... let me get that for you | 17:16 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: no need, I am using thorwil's template so it should be fine :-) | 17:17 |
| newz2000 | ok, great | 17:17 |
| newz2000 | or maybe I should say Grate! | 17:17 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: hehe | 17:18 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: how far down do you want the spotlight? | 17:20 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: could you do me a demo (ie. just a red line where it should be?) | 17:21 |
| newz2000 | let's see if kwwii can give some guidance on this ^^ | 17:21 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: and also what do you want resting above the spotlight, the number of days or the text? | 17:21 |
| newz2000 | he may be at dinner now so I'd say just do your best guess | 17:23 |
| newz2000 | centering the numbers horizontally where they're at should be good | 17:23 |
| newz2000 | his comments to me were that it felt very dark and that moving the spotlight down should help that | 17:24 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: ok | 17:24 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: if he comes back, could you email his comments to me? I ahve to leave in half-an-hour | 17:24 |
| rugby471 | *have | 17:24 |
| newz2000 | rugby471: yes, will do. What's your email address? | 17:25 |
| newz2000 | you can private message it to me if you like | 17:25 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: none last question, when do you need to have these banners to you? | 17:27 |
| newz2000 | Do you think you can do it in the next 1.5 days? | 17:27 |
| newz2000 | Sometime thursday we'd like to go live | 17:27 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: in that case, I shall wait for the input of Kenneth, as what I have at the moment isn't quite right | 17:28 |
| newz2000 | ok | 17:28 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: if/when you come back, if you wish to play with the svg, the source is here: http://pastebin.com/m29003d1a | 17:30 |
| kwwii | hi | 17:40 |
| kwwii | let me read the log...one moment | 17:40 |
| kwwii | ok, so my suggestion with the spotlight is to move it down a bit so that it looks like the text is setting on the floor | 17:41 |
| kwwii | ie, just move the pic down about 10% or so | 17:41 |
| kwwii | ie, cropping the bottom part which is black | 17:42 |
| kwwii | unless, of course we use that dark space to put some very bright text or such | 17:42 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: do you need time to think it through/play with it? | 17:43 |
| kwwii | rugby471: not really...it is a pretty simple change | 17:45 |
| kwwii | just make sure that the spotlight area is below the text | 17:45 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: okay, I shall do one, get you to see it and then if it is okay, do the rest | 17:46 |
| kwwii | rugby471: cool | 17:48 |
| kwwii | btw, I just noticed that you didn't copy the pic, you remade it | 17:48 |
| kwwii | nice | 17:48 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: yeah, though part of the reasoning for that was probably because I couldn't find any sources for it :-) | 17:49 |
| kwwii | rugby471: I'm playing with it as we speak...let me finish up my ideas and then send it to you | 17:49 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: ok | 17:51 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/banner_mod1.svg | 17:52 |
| kwwii | I just did the first one | 17:52 |
| kwwii | to explain what I mean | 17:52 |
| kwwii | I also added a glow to the number, etc | 17:52 |
| kwwii | newz2000: does my mod seem to express what we discussed? | 17:53 |
| kwwii | or have I gone down the wrong road? :p | 17:53 |
| * newz2000 checks | 17:54 | |
| knome | newz2000, hello :) | 17:55 |
| newz2000 | hi knome | 17:56 |
| knome | newz2000, if you want that animated banner and need help with the js, i think markus (rime) can help once again | 17:56 |
| newz2000 | Well, he is awesomeness in human flesh | 17:56 |
| knome | ;) | 17:57 |
| newz2000 | kwwii: don't suppose you can spit out a png can you? I'm in another OS and inkscape isn't working atm | 17:57 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: ANOTHER OS!! | 17:58 |
| newz2000 | I know, I know. Sometimes I have to dual boot | 17:59 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: hehe | 17:59 |
| knome | newz2000, what are the pulse slides, acutally? :) | 17:59 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: http://i33.tinypic.com/wlsjew.png | 17:59 |
| newz2000 | thanks rugby471, kwwii: looks fine to me | 18:00 |
| kwwii | hrm, the spot light still needs to go down a bit | 18:00 |
| kwwii | rugby471: btw, I reversed the gradient on the bg as well | 18:00 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: if you send me the final version, I can set it up in my svg template | 18:00 |
| kwwii | rugby471: play with it a bit, see what feels best for you | 18:00 |
| newz2000 | I'll let you guys decide if the glow helps, I think it removes the sharpness of the text which may be good or bad | 18:00 |
| kwwii | rugby471:ok, I'll post an update in a bit | 18:01 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: yeah I agree, it is kwwii's decision though, it he the art guy :-) | 18:01 |
| rugby471 | it he > he is | 18:01 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: could you send it to me, I have to leave soon? | 18:01 |
| newz2000 | well, you're the artist here. You can push one way or another | 18:01 |
| kwwii | rugby471: yes, give me a second and I will post another svg | 18:02 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: well I just feel either way it is good and I probably have some bias to the original as it was my own drawing :-) | 18:02 |
| newz2000 | knome: just a sec, getting the source for you... | 18:02 |
| rugby471 | kwwii: oh okay I shall wait for it then :-) | 18:02 |
| newz2000 | I'm biased the same way so unless kwwii jumps and shouts do it w/out glow | 18:02 |
| knome | newz2000, okay. i'm gonna ask rime to join here, so you two/we three can discuss it together | 18:03 |
| knome | i don't know if he will be online anymore today though | 18:03 |
| newz2000 | knome: here's the images I was referring too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners#thorwil%27s%20Slideshow | 18:03 |
| newz2000 | The wide continuous image may be perfect... I can optmize that down to 10k I think by going 8bit | 18:05 |
| kwwii | rugby471: http://sinecera.de/banner_mod2.svg | 18:05 |
| kwwii | I gotta run to the store, bbiab | 18:06 |
| newz2000 | knome: that will reduce the number of needed images (and hits to the server) | 18:06 |
| newz2000 | thanks kwwii | 18:06 |
| knome | newz2000, okay. :) | 18:06 |
| kwwii | newz2000: glad to help | 18:06 |
| knome | newz2000, rime is going to join in few minutes | 18:07 |
| knome | newz2000, not a problem to create that, he said | 18:07 |
| rugby471 | newz2000: see ya | 18:08 |
| newz2000 | thanks rugby471, catch you later | 18:08 |
| knome | newz2000, i suppose it would be better if the lines in the continuous image would end "outside" the image | 18:15 |
| knome | newz2000, now when you slide the last frame in, it would look weird as it doesn't have those lines | 18:15 |
| newz2000 | yes, good point | 18:15 |
| newz2000 | let me see if thorwil included his source | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | he did! | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | You guys can go ahead and work with wha tyou have... it won't look quite right but we'll work out the final graphics | 18:16 |
| knome | newz2000, as i said, rime will join in here in a few minutes | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | ok | 18:16 |
| knome | and we'll sort it out right away | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | knome: ok, I'm going to break to grab a bowl of rice and stretch my legs, will be back shortly | 18:18 |
| newz2000 | leave me any questions and I'll respond when I return | 18:18 |
| knome | okay | 18:25 |
| knome | newz2000, http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider01.html | 18:51 |
| thorwil | ah, that's nice | 18:52 |
| thorwil | knome: ideally there should be a black 1px border around the whole thing | 18:52 |
| thorwil | and the text should not slide, but fade in/out in place | 18:52 |
| knome | "the text"? | 18:53 |
| knome | the last frame or text in each frame? | 18:53 |
| thorwil | knome: "for your *" | 18:53 |
| knome | thorwil, how quickly should it appear/disappear? | 18:53 |
| thorwil | knome: text of each slideshow frame, but not the countdown image at the end | 18:54 |
| knome | okay. | 18:54 |
| knome | rime is here, so you can also ask him directly | 18:54 |
| newz2000 | hey, great work rime! | 18:54 |
| rime | np | 18:54 |
| thorwil | knome: whatever feels right as timing. i would have to try that out myself | 18:54 |
| thorwil | hi rime | 18:55 |
| newz2000 | needs to be about twice as fast | 18:55 |
| knome | thorwil, could the text be "not image" == just normal text in html? | 18:55 |
| thorwil | newz2000: i think this slideshow shouldn't be as fast as the last one | 18:55 |
| knome | thorwil, newz2000: i think that can be adjusted relatively easily | 18:55 |
| newz2000 | maybe. But it does need to be much faster | 18:56 |
| knome | the empty spaces between images could be smaller | 18:56 |
| thorwil | knome: i think html text is not reliable and exact enough | 18:56 |
| knome | thorwil, what do you mean by that? | 18:56 |
| newz2000 | I agree about the html text, should be graphical | 18:57 |
| thorwil | knome: even if you set size in px, what would firefox stop from scaling the text? | 18:57 |
| newz2000 | thorwil: do you have time to pull the text off the background and provide it as alpha transparent pngs? | 18:58 |
| thorwil | knome: the empty space is measured such as to ensure that the last symbol has left before the next arrives | 18:58 |
| newz2000 | actually, since it's a flat bg colour alpha transparency isn't needed | 18:58 |
| thorwil | newz2000: could be dealt with by layering or slicing | 18:58 |
| newz2000 | I don't know if slicing is even needed here... | 18:59 |
| newz2000 | just two very wide images, one the background and pulse | 18:59 |
| newz2000 | the other the text | 18:59 |
| newz2000 | (mostly transparent) | 18:59 |
| newz2000 | animation would be: fade text out -> slide -> fade text in -> pause -> repeat | 18:59 |
| thorwil | newz2000: you could cut down on filesize with slicing. only that the "opening-up" image would need special treatment | 19:00 |
| newz2000 | possibly. But when I compressed your image it was only 10k w/ no tweaking at all | 19:00 |
| newz2000 | so even if it doubles that's still not bad | 19:00 |
| thorwil | ok, so text on full size transparent images in a few minutes | 19:01 |
| * thorwil only now gets to read the "Countdown banners chosen" mail | 19:03 | |
| thorwil | cool | 19:05 |
| thorwil | newz2000: attribution like the last times ;) | 19:07 |
| newz2000 | sounds good. :-) | 19:07 |
| thorwil | newz2000, kwwii: i'm happy with the selection, especially as you managed to pick the variant i prefer :) | 19:09 |
| newz2000 | But of course! It's obviously the best. | 19:09 |
| thorwil | https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10 revision 14 contains slideshow/text_transparent | 19:34 |
| knome | thorwil, we actually solved it differently. | 19:35 |
| knome | just a minute and you will see | 19:35 |
| knome | btw, alkaa vähän oudosti toi | 19:37 |
| knome | mut varmaan tiesit :D | 19:37 |
| knome | oops. | 19:37 |
| knome | rime, ^ | 19:37 |
| knome | (i said the new revision starts a bit oddly, but that he probably knows it already) | 19:38 |
| === Turl1 is now known as Turl | ||
| Turl | hi thorwil | 19:43 |
| thorwil | hi Turl | 19:43 |
| Turl | thorwil: I'll try to make an animated version of your slides | 19:44 |
| knome | Turl, did you read my reply to the ML? | 19:44 |
| Turl | knome: nope | 19:44 |
| knome | we are working on it already :) | 19:44 |
| knome | and soon finished also | 19:44 |
| Turl | nice :) | 19:44 |
| knome | now we're working to get the text fade in/out | 19:44 |
| Turl | that should be easy :) | 19:45 |
| Turl | you're writing the text with javascript right? | 19:45 |
| knome | not that easy as one might think | 19:45 |
| knome | the text has to be graphical | 19:45 |
| Turl | it's just .fade() or however the framework handles that | 19:45 |
| Turl | why graphical? that's bad :P | 19:45 |
| knome | tbh, it looks better than text only | 19:46 |
| knome | also, we are not using any frameworks so the code is slimmer | 19:46 |
| Turl | rendered fonts look always best IMO | 19:46 |
| thorwil | Turl: graphical because i'm a control freak. maybe knome, too ;) | 19:46 |
| Turl | thorwil: what can't you handle using css? :) | 19:47 |
| Turl | you can handle fonts, sizes, positions, whatever :P | 19:47 |
| thorwil | Turl: definitive font on all plateforms? exact width? | 19:47 |
| Turl | @font-face is supported even on ie, so no problem | 19:47 |
| knome | Turl, yes, unless somebody changes the font size from his browser | 19:48 |
| knome | you can't lock anything | 19:48 |
| Turl | that's true, but well, the image would be scaled too - and that would look horrible too :P | 19:48 |
| knome | at least it wouldn't break nastily. | 19:48 |
| knome | it would only look bad | 19:48 |
| Turl | how do you know text would break nastily? did you try? :P | 19:49 |
| knome | no, because we won't waste time trying that as we also can achieve it with images | 19:49 |
| Turl | an idea for the graphical 'glow disappearance', make a solid image with diff colours and dinamically set its opacity | 19:50 |
| knome | yes, that's been done right now | 19:50 |
| Turl | thorwil: btw, where can I get the long slide without text? | 19:50 |
| Turl | knome: nice :) | 19:50 |
| Turl | beware of IE's shortcomings as it comes to transparencies though | 19:51 |
| thorwil | Turl: the fastest way would be for you to open the long image in gimp, pick the bg color, rect-select across the text and fill the area | 19:51 |
| knome | Turl, the fallback is just to show the text always, so no fadeout/in | 19:51 |
| knome | but this technique should work in ie also | 19:51 |
| Turl | thorwil: ok, and what font is it? | 19:52 |
| knome | Turl, i don't mean to offend you, but there's no need to duplicate the work | 19:52 |
| thorwil | Turl: gentium book basic, 20.086 size | 19:53 |
| thorwil | at least that's what inkscape claims, regarding the size :) | 19:53 |
| Turl | knome: I won't duplicate the work, I'll do this sometime later in the future for the sake of doing sth challenging :P | 19:53 |
| knome | okay | 19:53 |
| Turl | thanks thorwil | 19:54 |
| thorwil | np | 19:54 |
| Turl | are you using karmic? | 19:59 |
| thorwil | no, jaunty | 19:59 |
| Turl | and you knome? | 19:59 |
| knome | jaunty, but i'm planning on updating to karmic before release | 20:00 |
| knome | to avoid the slow servers ;) | 20:00 |
| knome | i also have karmic on my laptop + on vbox | 20:00 |
| Turl | knome: does your xsplash start really late? | 20:02 |
| Turl | mine starts after the disks have been checked and a lot of console output is on screen | 20:03 |
| knome | Turl, yes | 20:03 |
| Turl | and I have no shutdown splash :( | 20:03 |
| Turl | I have seen it only once | 20:03 |
| Turl | when shutting down from gdm | 20:03 |
| knome | i don't know how the gdm/xsplash is supposed to work, actually | 20:12 |
| knome | thorwil, you still there? | 20:13 |
| thorwil | yes | 20:14 |
| knome | okay | 20:14 |
| knome | http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png | 20:14 |
| knome | we need a version where the lines end "outside" the image | 20:14 |
| Turl | what's that, btw= | 20:14 |
| Turl | ?* | 20:14 |
| knome | so it doesn't look weird when it slides to the last image | 20:14 |
| Turl | oh, then it should show the normal countdown image, right | 20:14 |
| knome | Turl, that's part of the slide | 20:14 |
| Turl | yeah I know | 20:15 |
| Turl | but I didn't get why it was there | 20:15 |
| knome | "there" ? :) | 20:15 |
| thorwil | knome: damn, odd how i didn't think of that or fading it out | 20:15 |
| knome | :)) | 20:16 |
| * thorwil puts an countdown image at the end to work that out | 20:19 | |
| Turl | knome: I thought "why does this image have this odd line at the end?" | 20:20 |
| knome | Turl, :) | 20:20 |
| knome | newz2000, thorwil: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider02.html | 20:25 |
| newz2000 | knome: Looking good but needs to be faster faster :-) | 20:26 |
| knome | rime, | 20:26 |
| newz2000 | No one will see the end if it's longer than a TV commercial | 20:26 |
| knome | ^^ | 20:26 |
| knome | newz2000, you should see some of the tv commercials here in finland then :P | 20:27 |
| knome | they are almost like short films ;P | 20:27 |
| knome | / music videos | 20:27 |
| thorwil | really good, but i also think it needs to be faster | 20:27 |
| knome | i've become blind to this exact thing, but do you think the frames are aligned correctly to the center? | 20:28 |
| Turl | yep, it's too slow | 20:28 |
| Turl | and at the start it shows 'insert daily img here' or sth like that | 20:28 |
| Turl | like when it's loading | 20:28 |
| knome | hmm | 20:28 |
| Turl | maybe you should hide it with css and then unhide in javascript | 20:28 |
| thorwil | knome: i actually tweaked the alignment and need to commit new images | 20:28 |
| knome | rime, ^ ? :) | 20:28 |
| knome | thorwil, okay | 20:29 |
| knome | thorwil, can you cut them like this: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_top.png & http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_bottom.png | 20:29 |
| knome | and http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png | 20:29 |
| thorwil | yes, sure | 20:30 |
| knome | the alignment could also be because the js, and we could fix that... | 20:30 |
| rime | http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html a bit faster and js-hidden/visible magic to cover up the loading time | 20:34 |
| thorwil | heading in the right direction :) | 20:36 |
| knome | still faster? | 20:36 |
| knome | should the frames move forward even before the text is not completely faded out? | 20:36 |
| thorwil | yes for the sliding, but i think not for the fades | 20:36 |
| knome | (just slightly) | 20:36 |
| knome | okay | 20:36 |
| thorwil | knome: yes overlap between fades and slides could help a great deal | 20:37 |
| knome | it's almost like not sliding at all then ;) | 20:37 |
| knome | rime, ^ possible? | 20:37 |
| knome | thorwil, the complete text image is faded in/out every time | 20:37 |
| knome | so it's a problem if the next text sentence would show already | 20:38 |
| thorwil | i already guessed so | 20:38 |
| rime | how about now? (just refresh, didn't want to create yet another file... ) | 20:44 |
| thorwil | rime: i like it :) | 20:46 |
| knome | wow | 20:46 |
| knome | looks great i think | 20:46 |
| rime | :) | 20:46 |
| thorwil | knome, rime: it's awesome to have you guys turning this concept into reality! thanks | 20:47 |
| knome | thorwil, you should mostly thank rime, i'm only the css guy ;) | 20:47 |
| thorwil | heh, ok | 20:48 |
| thorwil | rime: rev 15 contains sliced slideshow images https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10 | 20:59 |
| rime | ok | 20:59 |
| * thorwil wished LP was as snappy as gitorious | 20:59 | |
| thorwil | rime: the black 1px border should be inwards to have a total size of 180 x 150. it's 182 x 152 now ... | 21:02 |
| rime | ahh, ok | 21:02 |
| knome | thorwil, btw, should that banner be clickable ;) | 21:03 |
| thorwil | knome: yes. straight to ubuntu.com, right newz2000? | 21:03 |
| rime | ok, I updated the images, now it looks pretty nice | 21:16 |
| newz2000 | thorwil, knome: yes, straight to ubuntu.com but the design team may create a brochure site that we'll point to later towards release | 21:25 |
| newz2000 | but rime's code is pretty clean so I can make that change when we get there | 21:25 |
| thorwil | newz2000: revision 19 of my branch contains an export of the countdown images. already pngcrushed. though i have no time to double-check them now | 21:32 |
| newz2000 | ok, thanks, I'll check it out | 21:32 |
| thorwil | rime, knome, newz2000: thanks! | 21:32 |
| newz2000 | no pun intended | 21:32 |
| thorwil | good night! | 21:32 |
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