[16:32] did I miss anythign while I was offline? [17:09] newz2000: thanks for choosing my design :-) [17:10] (I am Andrew) [17:10] newz2000: once question, which of the colours do you want mine to be (I presume the original colour?) [17:11] rugby471: hi rugby471, nice to meat you [17:11] yes, the original colour was the most liked [17:11] newz2000: nice to *meat* you too :-) [17:11] Do you think you'll have time to pull the chagnes together and complete them? [17:11] oops [17:11] newz2000: cool thanks [17:11] sorry, multi tasking [17:11] hehe np [17:12] and it's near lunch time [17:12] lol [17:15] newz2000: I should be able to yes :-) [17:16] awesome, if you need anything, ping me or kwwii [17:16] When you name your images if you could follow the convention of the past versions it would be a big help... let me get that for you [17:17] newz2000: no need, I am using thorwil's template so it should be fine :-) [17:17] ok, great [17:17] or maybe I should say Grate! [17:18] newz2000: hehe [17:20] newz2000: how far down do you want the spotlight? [17:21] newz2000: could you do me a demo (ie. just a red line where it should be?) [17:21] let's see if kwwii can give some guidance on this ^^ [17:21] kwwii: and also what do you want resting above the spotlight, the number of days or the text? [17:23] he may be at dinner now so I'd say just do your best guess [17:23] centering the numbers horizontally where they're at should be good [17:24] his comments to me were that it felt very dark and that moving the spotlight down should help that [17:24] newz2000: ok [17:24] newz2000: if he comes back, could you email his comments to me? I ahve to leave in half-an-hour [17:24] *have [17:25] rugby471: yes, will do. What's your email address? [17:25] you can private message it to me if you like [17:27] newz2000: none last question, when do you need to have these banners to you? [17:27] Do you think you can do it in the next 1.5 days? [17:27] Sometime thursday we'd like to go live [17:28] newz2000: in that case, I shall wait for the input of Kenneth, as what I have at the moment isn't quite right [17:28] ok [17:30] kwwii: if/when you come back, if you wish to play with the svg, the source is here: http://pastebin.com/m29003d1a [17:40] hi [17:40] let me read the log...one moment [17:41] ok, so my suggestion with the spotlight is to move it down a bit so that it looks like the text is setting on the floor [17:41] ie, just move the pic down about 10% or so [17:42] ie, cropping the bottom part which is black [17:42] unless, of course we use that dark space to put some very bright text or such [17:43] kwwii: do you need time to think it through/play with it? [17:45] rugby471: not really...it is a pretty simple change [17:45] just make sure that the spotlight area is below the text [17:46] kwwii: okay, I shall do one, get you to see it and then if it is okay, do the rest [17:48] rugby471: cool [17:48] btw, I just noticed that you didn't copy the pic, you remade it [17:48] nice [17:49] kwwii: yeah, though part of the reasoning for that was probably because I couldn't find any sources for it :-) [17:49] rugby471: I'm playing with it as we speak...let me finish up my ideas and then send it to you [17:51] kwwii: ok [17:52] http://sinecera.de/banner_mod1.svg [17:52] I just did the first one [17:52] to explain what I mean [17:52] I also added a glow to the number, etc [17:53] newz2000: does my mod seem to express what we discussed? [17:53] or have I gone down the wrong road? :p [17:54] * newz2000 checks [17:55] newz2000, hello :) [17:56] hi knome [17:56] newz2000, if you want that animated banner and need help with the js, i think markus (rime) can help once again [17:56] Well, he is awesomeness in human flesh [17:57] ;) [17:57] kwwii: don't suppose you can spit out a png can you? I'm in another OS and inkscape isn't working atm [17:58] newz2000: ANOTHER OS!! [17:59] I know, I know. Sometimes I have to dual boot [17:59] newz2000: hehe [17:59] newz2000, what are the pulse slides, acutally? :) [17:59] newz2000: http://i33.tinypic.com/wlsjew.png [18:00] thanks rugby471, kwwii: looks fine to me [18:00] hrm, the spot light still needs to go down a bit [18:00] rugby471: btw, I reversed the gradient on the bg as well [18:00] kwwii: if you send me the final version, I can set it up in my svg template [18:00] rugby471: play with it a bit, see what feels best for you [18:00] I'll let you guys decide if the glow helps, I think it removes the sharpness of the text which may be good or bad [18:01] rugby471:ok, I'll post an update in a bit [18:01] newz2000: yeah I agree, it is kwwii's decision though, it he the art guy :-) [18:01] it he > he is [18:01] kwwii: could you send it to me, I have to leave soon? [18:01] well, you're the artist here. You can push one way or another [18:02] rugby471: yes, give me a second and I will post another svg [18:02] newz2000: well I just feel either way it is good and I probably have some bias to the original as it was my own drawing :-) [18:02] knome: just a sec, getting the source for you... [18:02] kwwii: oh okay I shall wait for it then :-) [18:02] I'm biased the same way so unless kwwii jumps and shouts do it w/out glow [18:03] newz2000, okay. i'm gonna ask rime to join here, so you two/we three can discuss it together [18:03] i don't know if he will be online anymore today though [18:03] knome: here's the images I was referring too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners#thorwil%27s%20Slideshow [18:05] The wide continuous image may be perfect... I can optmize that down to 10k I think by going 8bit [18:05] rugby471: http://sinecera.de/banner_mod2.svg [18:06] I gotta run to the store, bbiab [18:06] knome: that will reduce the number of needed images (and hits to the server) [18:06] thanks kwwii [18:06] newz2000, okay. :) [18:06] newz2000: glad to help [18:07] newz2000, rime is going to join in few minutes [18:07] newz2000, not a problem to create that, he said [18:08] newz2000: see ya [18:08] thanks rugby471, catch you later [18:15] newz2000, i suppose it would be better if the lines in the continuous image would end "outside" the image [18:15] newz2000, now when you slide the last frame in, it would look weird as it doesn't have those lines [18:15] yes, good point [18:16] let me see if thorwil included his source [18:16] he did! [18:16] You guys can go ahead and work with wha tyou have... it won't look quite right but we'll work out the final graphics [18:16] newz2000, as i said, rime will join in here in a few minutes [18:16] ok [18:16] and we'll sort it out right away [18:18] knome: ok, I'm going to break to grab a bowl of rice and stretch my legs, will be back shortly [18:18] leave me any questions and I'll respond when I return [18:25] okay [18:51] newz2000, http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider01.html [18:52] ah, that's nice [18:52] knome: ideally there should be a black 1px border around the whole thing [18:52] and the text should not slide, but fade in/out in place [18:53] "the text"? [18:53] the last frame or text in each frame? [18:53] knome: "for your *" [18:53] thorwil, how quickly should it appear/disappear? [18:54] knome: text of each slideshow frame, but not the countdown image at the end [18:54] okay. [18:54] rime is here, so you can also ask him directly [18:54] hey, great work rime! [18:54] np [18:54] knome: whatever feels right as timing. i would have to try that out myself [18:55] hi rime [18:55] needs to be about twice as fast [18:55] thorwil, could the text be "not image" == just normal text in html? [18:55] newz2000: i think this slideshow shouldn't be as fast as the last one [18:55] thorwil, newz2000: i think that can be adjusted relatively easily [18:56] maybe. But it does need to be much faster [18:56] the empty spaces between images could be smaller [18:56] knome: i think html text is not reliable and exact enough [18:56] thorwil, what do you mean by that? [18:57] I agree about the html text, should be graphical [18:57] knome: even if you set size in px, what would firefox stop from scaling the text? [18:58] thorwil: do you have time to pull the text off the background and provide it as alpha transparent pngs? [18:58] knome: the empty space is measured such as to ensure that the last symbol has left before the next arrives [18:58] actually, since it's a flat bg colour alpha transparency isn't needed [18:58] newz2000: could be dealt with by layering or slicing [18:59] I don't know if slicing is even needed here... [18:59] just two very wide images, one the background and pulse [18:59] the other the text [18:59] (mostly transparent) [18:59] animation would be: fade text out -> slide -> fade text in -> pause -> repeat [19:00] newz2000: you could cut down on filesize with slicing. only that the "opening-up" image would need special treatment [19:00] possibly. But when I compressed your image it was only 10k w/ no tweaking at all [19:00] so even if it doubles that's still not bad [19:01] ok, so text on full size transparent images in a few minutes [19:03] * thorwil only now gets to read the "Countdown banners chosen" mail [19:05] cool [19:07] newz2000: attribution like the last times ;) [19:07] sounds good. :-) [19:09] newz2000, kwwii: i'm happy with the selection, especially as you managed to pick the variant i prefer :) [19:09] But of course! It's obviously the best. [19:34] https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10 revision 14 contains slideshow/text_transparent [19:35] thorwil, we actually solved it differently. [19:35] just a minute and you will see [19:37] btw, alkaa vähän oudosti toi [19:37] mut varmaan tiesit :D [19:37] oops. [19:37] rime, ^ [19:38] (i said the new revision starts a bit oddly, but that he probably knows it already) === Turl1 is now known as Turl [19:43] hi thorwil [19:43] hi Turl [19:44] thorwil: I'll try to make an animated version of your slides [19:44] Turl, did you read my reply to the ML? [19:44] knome: nope [19:44] we are working on it already :) [19:44] and soon finished also [19:44] nice :) [19:44] now we're working to get the text fade in/out [19:45] that should be easy :) [19:45] you're writing the text with javascript right? [19:45] not that easy as one might think [19:45] the text has to be graphical [19:45] it's just .fade() or however the framework handles that [19:45] why graphical? that's bad :P [19:46] tbh, it looks better than text only [19:46] also, we are not using any frameworks so the code is slimmer [19:46] rendered fonts look always best IMO [19:46] Turl: graphical because i'm a control freak. maybe knome, too ;) [19:47] thorwil: what can't you handle using css? :) [19:47] you can handle fonts, sizes, positions, whatever :P [19:47] Turl: definitive font on all plateforms? exact width? [19:47] @font-face is supported even on ie, so no problem [19:48] Turl, yes, unless somebody changes the font size from his browser [19:48] you can't lock anything [19:48] that's true, but well, the image would be scaled too - and that would look horrible too :P [19:48] at least it wouldn't break nastily. [19:48] it would only look bad [19:49] how do you know text would break nastily? did you try? :P [19:49] no, because we won't waste time trying that as we also can achieve it with images [19:50] an idea for the graphical 'glow disappearance', make a solid image with diff colours and dinamically set its opacity [19:50] yes, that's been done right now [19:50] thorwil: btw, where can I get the long slide without text? [19:50] knome: nice :) [19:51] beware of IE's shortcomings as it comes to transparencies though [19:51] Turl: the fastest way would be for you to open the long image in gimp, pick the bg color, rect-select across the text and fill the area [19:51] Turl, the fallback is just to show the text always, so no fadeout/in [19:51] but this technique should work in ie also [19:52] thorwil: ok, and what font is it? [19:52] Turl, i don't mean to offend you, but there's no need to duplicate the work [19:53] Turl: gentium book basic, 20.086 size [19:53] at least that's what inkscape claims, regarding the size :) [19:53] knome: I won't duplicate the work, I'll do this sometime later in the future for the sake of doing sth challenging :P [19:53] okay [19:54] thanks thorwil [19:54] np [19:59] are you using karmic? [19:59] no, jaunty [19:59] and you knome? [20:00] jaunty, but i'm planning on updating to karmic before release [20:00] to avoid the slow servers ;) [20:00] i also have karmic on my laptop + on vbox [20:02] knome: does your xsplash start really late? [20:03] mine starts after the disks have been checked and a lot of console output is on screen [20:03] Turl, yes [20:03] and I have no shutdown splash :( [20:03] I have seen it only once [20:03] when shutting down from gdm [20:12] i don't know how the gdm/xsplash is supposed to work, actually [20:13] thorwil, you still there? [20:14] yes [20:14] okay [20:14] http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png [20:14] we need a version where the lines end "outside" the image [20:14] what's that, btw= [20:14] ?* [20:14] so it doesn't look weird when it slides to the last image [20:14] oh, then it should show the normal countdown image, right [20:14] Turl, that's part of the slide [20:15] yeah I know [20:15] but I didn't get why it was there [20:15] "there" ? :) [20:15] knome: damn, odd how i didn't think of that or fading it out [20:16] :)) [20:19] * thorwil puts an countdown image at the end to work that out [20:20] knome: I thought "why does this image have this odd line at the end?" [20:20] Turl, :) [20:25] newz2000, thorwil: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider02.html [20:26] knome: Looking good but needs to be faster faster :-) [20:26] rime, [20:26] No one will see the end if it's longer than a TV commercial [20:26] ^^ [20:27] newz2000, you should see some of the tv commercials here in finland then :P [20:27] they are almost like short films ;P [20:27] / music videos [20:27] really good, but i also think it needs to be faster [20:28] i've become blind to this exact thing, but do you think the frames are aligned correctly to the center? [20:28] yep, it's too slow [20:28] and at the start it shows 'insert daily img here' or sth like that [20:28] like when it's loading [20:28] hmm [20:28] maybe you should hide it with css and then unhide in javascript [20:28] knome: i actually tweaked the alignment and need to commit new images [20:28] rime, ^ ? :) [20:29] thorwil, okay [20:29] thorwil, can you cut them like this: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_top.png & http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_bottom.png [20:29] and http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png [20:30] yes, sure [20:30] the alignment could also be because the js, and we could fix that... [20:34] http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html a bit faster and js-hidden/visible magic to cover up the loading time [20:36] heading in the right direction :) [20:36] still faster? [20:36] should the frames move forward even before the text is not completely faded out? [20:36] yes for the sliding, but i think not for the fades [20:36] (just slightly) [20:36] okay [20:37] knome: yes overlap between fades and slides could help a great deal [20:37] it's almost like not sliding at all then ;) [20:37] rime, ^ possible? [20:37] thorwil, the complete text image is faded in/out every time [20:38] so it's a problem if the next text sentence would show already [20:38] i already guessed so [20:44] how about now? (just refresh, didn't want to create yet another file... ) [20:46] rime: i like it :) [20:46] wow [20:46] looks great i think [20:46] :) [20:47] knome, rime: it's awesome to have you guys turning this concept into reality! thanks [20:47] thorwil, you should mostly thank rime, i'm only the css guy ;) [20:48] heh, ok [20:59] rime: rev 15 contains sliced slideshow images https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10 [20:59] ok [20:59] * thorwil wished LP was as snappy as gitorious [21:02] rime: the black 1px border should be inwards to have a total size of 180 x 150. it's 182 x 152 now ... [21:02] ahh, ok [21:03] thorwil, btw, should that banner be clickable ;) [21:03] knome: yes. straight to ubuntu.com, right newz2000? [21:16] ok, I updated the images, now it looks pretty nice [21:25] thorwil, knome: yes, straight to ubuntu.com but the design team may create a brochure site that we'll point to later towards release [21:25] but rime's code is pretty clean so I can make that change when we get there [21:32] newz2000: revision 19 of my branch contains an export of the countdown images. already pngcrushed. though i have no time to double-check them now [21:32] ok, thanks, I'll check it out [21:32] rime, knome, newz2000: thanks! [21:32] no pun intended [21:32] good night!