[16:32] <newz2000> did I miss anythign while I was offline?
[17:09] <rugby471> newz2000: thanks for choosing my design :-)
[17:10] <rugby471> (I am Andrew)
[17:10] <rugby471> newz2000: once question, which of the colours do you want mine to be (I presume the original colour?)
[17:11] <newz2000> rugby471: hi rugby471, nice to meat you
[17:11] <newz2000> yes, the original colour was the most liked
[17:11] <rugby471> newz2000: nice to *meat* you too :-)
[17:11] <newz2000> Do you think you'll have time to pull the chagnes together and complete them?
[17:11] <newz2000> oops
[17:11] <rugby471> newz2000: cool thanks
[17:11] <newz2000> sorry, multi tasking
[17:11] <rugby471> hehe np
[17:12] <newz2000> and it's near lunch time
[17:12] <newz2000> lol
[17:15] <rugby471> newz2000: I should be able to yes :-)
[17:16] <newz2000> awesome, if you need anything, ping me or kwwii
[17:16] <newz2000> When you name your images if you could follow the convention of the past versions it would be a big help... let me get that for you
[17:17] <rugby471> newz2000: no need, I am using thorwil's template so it should be fine :-)
[17:17] <newz2000> ok, great
[17:17] <newz2000> or maybe I should say Grate!
[17:18] <rugby471> newz2000: hehe
[17:20] <rugby471> newz2000: how far down do you want the spotlight?
[17:21] <rugby471> newz2000: could you do me a demo (ie. just a red line where it should be?)
[17:21] <newz2000> let's see if kwwii can give some guidance on this ^^
[17:21] <rugby471> kwwii: and also what do you want resting above the spotlight, the number of days or the text?
[17:23] <newz2000> he may be at dinner now so I'd say just do your best guess
[17:23] <newz2000> centering the numbers horizontally where they're at should be good
[17:24] <newz2000> his comments to me were that it felt very dark and that moving the spotlight down should help that
[17:24] <rugby471> newz2000: ok
[17:24] <rugby471> newz2000: if he comes back, could you email his comments to me? I ahve to leave in half-an-hour
[17:24] <rugby471> *have
[17:25] <newz2000> rugby471: yes, will do. What's your email address?
[17:25] <newz2000> you can private message it to me if you like
[17:27] <rugby471> newz2000: none last question, when do you need to have these banners to you?
[17:27] <newz2000> Do you think you can do it in the next 1.5 days?
[17:27] <newz2000> Sometime thursday we'd like to go live
[17:28] <rugby471> newz2000: in that case, I shall wait for the input of Kenneth, as what I have at the moment isn't quite right
[17:28] <newz2000> ok
[17:30] <rugby471> kwwii: if/when you come back, if you wish to play with the svg, the source is here: http://pastebin.com/m29003d1a
[17:40] <kwwii> hi
[17:40] <kwwii> let me read the log...one moment
[17:41] <kwwii> ok, so my suggestion with the spotlight is to move it down a bit so that it looks like the text is setting on the floor
[17:41] <kwwii> ie, just move the pic down about 10% or so
[17:42] <kwwii> ie, cropping the bottom part which is black
[17:42] <kwwii> unless, of course we use that dark space to put some very bright text or such
[17:43] <rugby471> kwwii: do you need time to think it through/play with it?
[17:45] <kwwii> rugby471: not really...it is a pretty simple change
[17:45] <kwwii> just make sure that the spotlight area is below the text
[17:46] <rugby471> kwwii: okay, I shall do one, get you to see it and then if it is okay, do the rest
[17:48] <kwwii> rugby471: cool
[17:48] <kwwii> btw, I just noticed that you didn't copy the pic, you remade it
[17:48] <kwwii> nice
[17:49] <rugby471> kwwii: yeah, though part of the reasoning for that was probably because I couldn't find any sources for it :-)
[17:49] <kwwii> rugby471: I'm playing with it as we speak...let me finish up my ideas and then send it to you
[17:51] <rugby471> kwwii: ok
[17:52] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/banner_mod1.svg
[17:52] <kwwii> I just did the first one
[17:52] <kwwii> to explain what I mean
[17:52] <kwwii> I also added a glow to the number, etc
[17:53] <kwwii> newz2000: does my mod seem to express what we discussed?
[17:53] <kwwii> or have I gone down the wrong road? :p
[17:54]  * newz2000 checks
[17:55] <knome> newz2000, hello :)
[17:56] <newz2000> hi knome
[17:56] <knome> newz2000, if you want that animated banner and need help with the js, i think markus (rime) can help once again
[17:56] <newz2000> Well, he is awesomeness in human flesh
[17:57] <knome> ;)
[17:57] <newz2000> kwwii: don't suppose you can spit out a png can you? I'm in another OS and inkscape isn't working atm
[17:58] <rugby471> newz2000: ANOTHER OS!!
[17:59] <newz2000> I know, I know. Sometimes I have to dual boot
[17:59] <rugby471> newz2000: hehe
[17:59] <knome> newz2000, what are the pulse slides, acutally? :)
[17:59] <rugby471> newz2000: http://i33.tinypic.com/wlsjew.png
[18:00] <newz2000> thanks rugby471, kwwii: looks fine to me
[18:00] <kwwii> hrm, the spot light still needs to go down a bit
[18:00] <kwwii> rugby471: btw, I reversed the gradient on the bg as well
[18:00] <rugby471> kwwii: if you send me the final version, I can set it up in my svg template
[18:00] <kwwii> rugby471: play with it a bit, see what feels best for you
[18:00] <newz2000> I'll let you guys decide if the glow helps, I think it removes the sharpness of the text which may be good or bad
[18:01] <kwwii> rugby471:ok, I'll post an update in a bit
[18:01] <rugby471> newz2000: yeah I agree, it is kwwii's decision though, it he the art guy :-)
[18:01] <rugby471> it he > he is
[18:01] <rugby471> kwwii: could you send it to me, I have to leave soon?
[18:01] <newz2000> well, you're the artist here. You can push one way or another
[18:02] <kwwii> rugby471: yes, give me a second and I will post another svg
[18:02] <rugby471> newz2000: well I just feel either way it is good and I probably have some bias to the original as it was my own drawing :-)
[18:02] <newz2000> knome: just a sec, getting the source for you...
[18:02] <rugby471> kwwii: oh okay I shall wait for it then :-)
[18:02] <newz2000> I'm biased the same way so unless kwwii jumps and shouts do it w/out glow
[18:03] <knome> newz2000, okay. i'm gonna ask rime to join here, so you two/we three can discuss it together
[18:03] <knome> i don't know if he will be online anymore today though
[18:03] <newz2000> knome: here's the images I was referring too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners#thorwil%27s%20Slideshow
[18:05] <newz2000> The wide continuous image may be perfect... I can optmize that down to 10k I think by going 8bit
[18:05] <kwwii> rugby471: http://sinecera.de/banner_mod2.svg
[18:06] <kwwii> I gotta run to the store, bbiab
[18:06] <newz2000> knome: that will reduce the number of needed images (and hits to the server)
[18:06] <newz2000> thanks kwwii
[18:06] <knome> newz2000, okay. :)
[18:06] <kwwii> newz2000: glad to help
[18:07] <knome> newz2000, rime is going to join in few minutes
[18:07] <knome> newz2000, not a problem to create that, he said
[18:08] <rugby471> newz2000: see ya
[18:08] <newz2000> thanks rugby471, catch you later
[18:15] <knome> newz2000, i suppose it would be better if the lines in the continuous image would end "outside" the image
[18:15] <knome> newz2000, now when you slide the last frame in, it would look weird as it doesn't have those lines
[18:15] <newz2000> yes, good point
[18:16] <newz2000> let me see if thorwil included his source
[18:16] <newz2000> he did!
[18:16] <newz2000> You guys can go ahead and work with wha tyou have... it won't look quite right but we'll work out the final graphics
[18:16] <knome> newz2000, as i said, rime will join in here in a few minutes
[18:16] <newz2000> ok
[18:16] <knome> and we'll sort it out right away
[18:18] <newz2000> knome: ok, I'm going to break to grab a bowl of rice and stretch my legs, will be back shortly
[18:18] <newz2000> leave me any questions and I'll respond when I return
[18:25] <knome> okay
[18:51] <knome> newz2000, http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider01.html
[18:52] <thorwil> ah, that's nice
[18:52] <thorwil> knome: ideally there should be a black 1px border around the whole thing
[18:52] <thorwil> and the text should not slide, but fade in/out in place
[18:53] <knome> "the text"?
[18:53] <knome> the last frame or text in each frame?
[18:53] <thorwil> knome: "for your *"
[18:53] <knome> thorwil, how quickly should it appear/disappear?
[18:54] <thorwil> knome: text of each slideshow frame, but not the countdown image at the end
[18:54] <knome> okay.
[18:54] <knome> rime is here, so you can also ask him directly
[18:54] <newz2000> hey, great work rime!
[18:54] <rime> np
[18:54] <thorwil> knome: whatever feels right as timing. i would have to try that out myself
[18:55] <thorwil> hi rime
[18:55] <newz2000> needs to be about twice as fast
[18:55] <knome> thorwil, could the text be "not image" == just normal text in html?
[18:55] <thorwil> newz2000: i think this slideshow shouldn't be as fast as the last one
[18:55] <knome> thorwil, newz2000: i think that can be adjusted relatively easily
[18:56] <newz2000> maybe. But it does need to be much faster
[18:56] <knome> the empty spaces between images could be smaller
[18:56] <thorwil> knome: i think html text is not reliable and exact enough
[18:56] <knome> thorwil, what do you mean by that?
[18:57] <newz2000> I agree about the html text, should be graphical
[18:57] <thorwil> knome: even if you set size in px, what would firefox stop from scaling the text?
[18:58] <newz2000> thorwil: do you have time to pull the text off the background and provide it as alpha transparent pngs?
[18:58] <thorwil> knome: the empty space is measured such as to ensure that the last symbol has left before the next arrives
[18:58] <newz2000> actually, since it's a flat bg colour alpha transparency isn't needed
[18:58] <thorwil> newz2000: could be dealt with by layering or slicing
[18:59] <newz2000> I don't know if slicing is even needed here...
[18:59] <newz2000> just two very wide images, one the background and pulse
[18:59] <newz2000> the other the text
[18:59] <newz2000> (mostly transparent)
[18:59] <newz2000> animation would be: fade text out -> slide -> fade text in -> pause -> repeat
[19:00] <thorwil> newz2000: you could cut down on filesize with slicing. only that the "opening-up" image would need special treatment
[19:00] <newz2000> possibly. But when I compressed your image it was only 10k w/ no tweaking at all
[19:00] <newz2000> so even if it doubles that's still not bad
[19:01] <thorwil> ok, so text on full size transparent images in a few minutes
[19:03]  * thorwil only now gets to read the "Countdown banners chosen" mail
[19:05] <thorwil> cool
[19:07] <thorwil> newz2000: attribution like the last times ;)
[19:07] <newz2000> sounds good. :-)
[19:09] <thorwil> newz2000, kwwii: i'm happy with the selection, especially as you managed to pick the variant i prefer :)
[19:09] <newz2000> But of course! It's obviously the best.
[19:34] <thorwil> https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10  revision 14 contains slideshow/text_transparent
[19:35] <knome> thorwil, we actually solved it differently.
[19:35] <knome> just a minute and you will see
[19:37] <knome> btw, alkaa vähän oudosti toi
[19:37] <knome> mut varmaan tiesit :D
[19:37] <knome> oops.
[19:37] <knome> rime, ^
[19:38] <knome> (i said the new revision starts a bit oddly, but that he probably knows it already)
[19:43] <Turl> hi thorwil
[19:43] <thorwil> hi Turl
[19:44] <Turl> thorwil: I'll try to make an animated version of your slides
[19:44] <knome> Turl, did you read my reply to the ML?
[19:44] <Turl> knome: nope
[19:44] <knome> we are working on it already :)
[19:44] <knome> and soon finished also
[19:44] <Turl> nice :)
[19:44] <knome> now we're working to get the text fade in/out
[19:45] <Turl> that should be easy :)
[19:45] <Turl> you're writing the text with javascript right?
[19:45] <knome> not that easy as one might think
[19:45] <knome> the text has to be graphical
[19:45] <Turl> it's just .fade() or however the framework handles that
[19:45] <Turl> why graphical? that's bad :P
[19:46] <knome> tbh, it looks better than text only
[19:46] <knome> also, we are not using any frameworks so the code is slimmer
[19:46] <Turl> rendered fonts look always best IMO
[19:46] <thorwil> Turl: graphical because i'm a control freak. maybe knome, too ;)
[19:47] <Turl> thorwil: what can't you handle using css? :)
[19:47] <Turl> you can handle fonts, sizes, positions, whatever :P
[19:47] <thorwil> Turl: definitive font on all plateforms? exact width?
[19:47] <Turl> @font-face is supported even on ie, so no problem
[19:48] <knome> Turl, yes, unless somebody changes the font size from his browser
[19:48] <knome> you can't lock anything
[19:48] <Turl> that's true, but well, the image would be scaled too  - and that would look horrible too :P
[19:48] <knome> at least it wouldn't break nastily.
[19:48] <knome> it would only look bad
[19:49] <Turl> how do you know text would break nastily? did you try? :P
[19:49] <knome> no, because we won't waste time trying that as we also can achieve it with images
[19:50] <Turl> an idea for the graphical 'glow disappearance', make a solid image with diff colours and dinamically set its opacity
[19:50] <knome> yes, that's been done right now
[19:50] <Turl> thorwil: btw, where can I get the long slide without text?
[19:50] <Turl> knome: nice :)
[19:51] <Turl> beware of IE's shortcomings as it comes to transparencies though
[19:51] <thorwil> Turl: the fastest way would be for you to open the long image in gimp, pick the bg color, rect-select across the text and fill the area
[19:51] <knome> Turl, the fallback is just to show the text always, so no fadeout/in
[19:51] <knome> but this technique should work in ie also
[19:52] <Turl> thorwil: ok, and what font is it?
[19:52] <knome> Turl, i don't mean to offend you, but there's no need to duplicate the work
[19:53] <thorwil> Turl: gentium book basic, 20.086 size
[19:53] <thorwil> at least that's what inkscape claims, regarding the size :)
[19:53] <Turl> knome: I won't duplicate the work, I'll do this sometime later in the future for the sake of doing sth challenging :P
[19:53] <knome> okay
[19:54] <Turl> thanks thorwil
[19:54] <thorwil> np
[19:59] <Turl> are you using karmic?
[19:59] <thorwil> no, jaunty
[19:59] <Turl> and you knome?
[20:00] <knome> jaunty, but i'm planning on updating to karmic before release
[20:00] <knome> to avoid the slow servers ;)
[20:00] <knome> i also have karmic on my laptop + on vbox
[20:02] <Turl> knome: does your xsplash start really late?
[20:03] <Turl> mine starts after the disks have been checked and a lot of console output is on screen
[20:03] <knome> Turl, yes
[20:03] <Turl> and I have no shutdown splash :(
[20:03] <Turl> I have seen it only once
[20:03] <Turl> when shutting down from gdm
[20:12] <knome> i don't know how the gdm/xsplash is supposed to work, actually
[20:13] <knome> thorwil, you still there?
[20:14] <thorwil> yes
[20:14] <knome> okay
[20:14] <knome> http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png
[20:14] <knome> we need a version where the lines end "outside" the image
[20:14] <Turl> what's that, btw=
[20:14] <Turl> ?*
[20:14] <knome> so it doesn't look weird when it slides to the last image
[20:14] <Turl> oh, then it should show the normal countdown image, right
[20:14] <knome> Turl, that's part of the slide
[20:15] <Turl> yeah I know
[20:15] <Turl> but I didn't get why it was there
[20:15] <knome> "there" ? :)
[20:15] <thorwil> knome: damn, odd how i didn't think of that or fading it out
[20:16] <knome> :))
[20:19]  * thorwil puts an countdown image at the end to work that out
[20:20] <Turl> knome: I thought "why does this image have this odd line at the end?"
[20:20] <knome> Turl, :)
[20:25] <knome> newz2000, thorwil: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider02.html
[20:26] <newz2000> knome: Looking good but needs to be faster faster :-)
[20:26] <knome> rime,
[20:26] <newz2000> No one will see the end if it's longer than a TV commercial
[20:26] <knome> ^^
[20:27] <knome> newz2000, you should see some of the tv commercials here in finland then :P
[20:27] <knome> they are almost like short films ;P
[20:27] <knome> / music videos
[20:27] <thorwil> really good, but i also think it needs to be faster
[20:28] <knome> i've become blind to this exact thing, but do you think the frames are aligned correctly to the center?
[20:28] <Turl> yep, it's too slow
[20:28] <Turl> and at the start it shows 'insert daily img here' or sth like that
[20:28] <Turl> like when it's loading
[20:28] <knome> hmm
[20:28] <Turl> maybe you should hide it with css and then unhide in javascript
[20:28] <thorwil> knome: i actually tweaked the alignment and need to commit new images
[20:28] <knome> rime, ^ ? :)
[20:29] <knome> thorwil, okay
[20:29] <knome> thorwil, can you cut them like this: http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_top.png & http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_bottom.png
[20:29] <knome> and http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/imgs/slide_tail.png
[20:30] <thorwil> yes, sure
[20:30] <knome> the alignment could also be because the js, and we could fix that...
[20:34] <rime> http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html  a bit faster and js-hidden/visible magic to cover up the loading time
[20:36] <thorwil> heading in the right direction :)
[20:36] <knome> still faster?
[20:36] <knome> should the frames move forward even before the text is not completely faded out?
[20:36] <thorwil> yes for the sliding, but i think not for the fades
[20:36] <knome> (just slightly)
[20:36] <knome> okay
[20:37] <thorwil> knome: yes overlap between fades and slides could help a great deal
[20:37] <knome> it's almost like not sliding at all then ;)
[20:37] <knome> rime, ^ possible?
[20:37] <knome> thorwil, the complete text image is faded in/out every time
[20:38] <knome> so it's a problem if the next text sentence would show already
[20:38] <thorwil> i already guessed so
[20:44] <rime> how about now? (just refresh, didn't want to create yet another file... )
[20:46] <thorwil> rime: i like it :)
[20:46] <knome> wow
[20:46] <knome> looks great i think
[20:46] <rime> :)
[20:47] <thorwil> knome, rime: it's awesome to have you guys turning this concept into reality! thanks
[20:47] <knome> thorwil, you should mostly thank rime, i'm only the css guy ;)
[20:48] <thorwil> heh, ok
[20:59] <thorwil> rime: rev 15 contains sliced slideshow images https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/countdown_09-10
[20:59] <rime> ok
[20:59]  * thorwil wished LP was as snappy as gitorious
[21:02] <thorwil> rime: the black 1px border should be inwards to have a total size of 180 x 150. it's 182 x 152 now ...
[21:02] <rime> ahh, ok
[21:03] <knome> thorwil, btw, should that banner be clickable ;)
[21:03] <thorwil> knome: yes. straight to ubuntu.com, right newz2000?
[21:16] <rime> ok, I updated the images, now it looks pretty nice
[21:25] <newz2000> thorwil, knome: yes, straight to ubuntu.com but the design team may create a brochure site that we'll point to later towards release
[21:25] <newz2000> but rime's code is pretty clean so I can make that change when we get there
[21:32] <thorwil> newz2000: revision 19 of my branch contains an export of the countdown images. already pngcrushed. though i have no time to double-check them now
[21:32] <newz2000> ok, thanks, I'll check it out
[21:32] <thorwil> rime, knome, newz2000: thanks!
[21:32] <newz2000> no pun intended
[21:32] <thorwil> good night!