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| lamalex | the indicator applet doesn't show my anything when i get an im so i just miss all of my ims | 18:43 |
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| ScottK | Productivity enhancement. It's a feature. | 18:54 |
| lamalex | :) | 19:08 |
| lamalex | not a feature when its an im from my boss | 19:09 |
| cyberix | My karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope? | 19:13 |
| cyberix | ok I found it | 19:17 |
| tedg | lamalex: It's probably something to do with your IM client. Which are you using? | 19:26 |
| lamalex | tedg: empathy | 19:26 |
| lamalex | (which brings me to the question why do we have 2 installed by default) | 19:26 |
| tedg | lamalex: Okay, it would probably be best to ask kenvandine about how to debug whether it's sending the attention request. | 19:36 |
| tedg | I believe only one in installed by default, but Pidgin isn't removed. | 19:36 |
| kenvandine | hey | 19:37 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, we don't remove pidgin on upgrade but empathy does get installed | 19:38 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: pidgin was recently /added/ to my install iirc | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | oh... i think there was a bug briefly | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | which was fixed | 19:39 |
| lamalex | ah | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | so dist-upgrade would have added it then | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | sorry | 19:39 |
| kenvandine | we specifically don't remove it though | 19:40 |
| kenvandine | for upgraders | 19:40 |
| kenvandine | sorry about that :) | 19:40 |
| lamalex | np :) | 19:40 |
| lamalex | any idea about the indicator now showing new messages | 19:41 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, with empathy? | 19:45 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: yes | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | look in the notifications tab in preferences | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | is use the indicator checked? | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | hey | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | whoops | 19:49 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: things go there, but the icon doesn't change | 19:49 |
| lamalex | so ijust miss my ims | 19:50 |
| lamalex | using human theme | 19:50 |
| kenvandine | ah | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | human or humanity? | 19:51 |
| kenvandine | icon theme | 19:51 |
| lamalex | humanity | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | the current humanity icon theme (default in human) doesn't have a "draw-attention" emblem | 19:52 |
| lamalex | ah | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | it is fixed upstream | 19:52 |
| kenvandine | but archive is frozen :) | 19:52 |
| lamalex | that's fscked | 19:52 |
| lamalex | that needs a freeze exception if that's the default theme | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | although i am not super excited about it... i still can't tell :) | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | nah | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | it will be in the first update after beta | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, that reminds me | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | that still doesn't get my attention the way the green dot did | 19:53 |
| * mac_v hides ;) | 19:53 | |
| kenvandine | if i am not watching it while i get an IM, i can't tell the difference :) | 19:53 |
| kenvandine | i understand the green dot wouldn't really be appropriate though | 19:54 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: we have changed the appearance of the envelope , recently | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | but perhaps a gray dot on the envelop? | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | or somethign? | 19:54 |
| mac_v | so that wont be a problem | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | right now it is just slightly more contrast in it when draw-attention is set right? | 19:54 |
| mac_v | yeah .. | 19:55 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: it has been fixed > now when a new message arrives the envelope will fill up ;) | 19:55 |
| kenvandine | fill up? | 19:55 |
| * kenvandine pulls again | 19:55 | |
| tgpraveen | kenvandine: yeah a gray dot is a good idea. though the grayness might need some tweaking imho | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, which icon would that be? | 19:59 |
| kenvandine | i just pulled and nothing in this update looks like that icon | 19:59 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: the icon will change when new mail arrives , or it is a bug in i-a ;p | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | no, i meant in bzr | 20:01 |
| mac_v | let me get you the icon | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | i and running humanity icons from bzr :) | 20:01 |
| lamalex | has anyone done a gmail provider? | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | i just did a pull and don't see anything new that looks like it | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, yes | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | gm-notify or gm-notifier | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | something like that | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | it is in LP | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | not in universe yet though | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | afaik | 20:02 |
| lamalex | thanks | 20:02 |
| mac_v | argh! stupid lp!... | 20:09 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: the new icon will be in the Humanity/status/22/indicator-messages-new.svg | 20:10 |
| mac_v | i can find the icon in action image ! lp is hiding bugs :/ | 20:10 |
| mac_v | cant* | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, yeah.. i have that | 20:13 |
| kenvandine | i think think it isn't different enough | 20:14 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, i didn't even notice i had that IM from you :) | 20:14 |
| lamalex | exactly! | 20:16 |
| lamalex | :P | 20:16 |
| lamalex | IMs should pop under, not be suppressed. | 20:17 |
| mac_v | lamalex: are you also using the latest Humanity bzr ? | 20:17 |
| lamalex | mac_v: yes | 20:18 |
| mac_v | :( | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, i can see the difference | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | i just don't think it is enough to notice | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | not when you aren't specifically watching for it | 20:18 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: its better than previous icon ;) | 20:18 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: this is a failing of the indicator itself, not humanity's icon though | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | if it changes and then i look at it, i have to think "is that different" | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, it is :) | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, no... why? | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | we change the icon | 20:19 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: i-a is not always changing | 20:19 |
| lamalex | you have to go check for messages, making them easy to miss if you're not checking | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | lamalex, why? | 20:19 |
| lamalex | because all you get is a little change in the panel | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | if the icon difference was more noticable, like it was in jaunty | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | it is obvious | 20:19 |
| lamalex | i still missed ims all the time with it | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | you do also get a notification right? | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | i never did :) | 20:20 |
| lamalex | and the bigger your screen gets the easier it is to miss them | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | true | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | i am on a laptop | 20:20 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: notifications are being suppressed when using fullscreen apps :/ | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | so not huge | 20:20 |
| mac_v | notify-osd* | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | mac_v, true | 20:20 |
| * mac_v wonders when macSlow will fix that :( | 20:21 | |
| kenvandine | mac_v, anyway... i just think something like adding a gray dot would be better, instead of making the whole envelop look different | 20:21 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: if the envelope looks different and the difference is noticeable that solves the problem , right? | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | yes | 20:23 |
| mac_v | so not need dot ;) | 20:23 |
| mac_v | no* | 20:23 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: the main problem is the lac of color.. | 20:23 |
| mac_v | lack* | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:24 |
| * kenvandine isn't a designer... just giving you my experience | 20:24 | |
| kenvandine | what is there now isn't enough for me... and i focus a ton on the indicator :) | 20:24 |
| mac_v | kenvandine: yeah , we are used to colors soooo much , this is actually a regression for a few days until you get used to it | 20:25 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: does the gm-indicator work for you on karmic or does it require python-indicate from trunk or something | 20:28 |
| kenvandine | oh | 20:28 |
| lamalex | it's using clases athat aren't in my version of python-indicate | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | i bet that needs to be updated | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | i haven't hacked on it in quite a while | 20:29 |
| lamalex | that being gm-notify, or py-indicate? | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | gm-notify | 20:30 |
| lamalex | do you have a branch or is it something that needs done | 20:31 |
| kenvandine | needs to be done | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | i won't have time | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | not anytime soon :) | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | it is most like a one line change though | 20:35 |
| * lamalex might take a look | 20:35 | |
| kenvandine | s/IndicatorMessage/Indicator | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | something like that | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | but | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | make it a try/except | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | try one class, except use the other class | 20:36 |
| kenvandine | so it is backwards compatible with jaunty | 20:36 |
| kenvandine | i did that in gwibber | 20:36 |
| lamalex | rad | 20:36 |
| kenvandine | i am 95% sure that is all you need to do :) | 20:36 |
| lamalex | what editor do you use for python development? I can't find one that I like | 20:36 |
| lamalex | monodevelop is so killer for C# that all other editor fail to meet my vision of what an editor should be | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | vim | 20:37 |
| * lamalex vommits | 20:37 | |
| kenvandine | try: | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | indicator = indicate.Indicator() | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | except: | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | indicator = indicate.IndicatorMessage() | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | vim is the only true editor :) | 20:37 |
| * kenvandine hides | 20:37 | |
| lamalex | VI VI VI - the number of the beast | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | if you get a branch for gm-notify, i think i have permissions in LP to merge it | 20:39 |
| kenvandine | so you can propose merge and set me as the reviewer | 20:39 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: rad | 20:40 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: proposed | 21:00 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 22:00 |
| jcastro | ok, who wants to do some openweek sessions in november? | 22:00 |
| jcastro | tedg: I know you do | 22:00 |
| jcastro | kwwii: some people have asked for like a theme tutorial or something too | 22:01 |
| kwwii | jcastro: hrm, I might be able to whip something up | 22:04 |
| kwwii | not sure what people want to hear though | 22:04 |
| kwwii | jcastro: ohhhh, that is the week before the design sprint and UDS...bad timing | 22:07 |
| tedg | jcastro: I could. I'm not sure what I'd talk about. | 22:07 |
| tedg | jcastro: When do you need to know? | 22:07 |
| jcastro | tedg: asap | 22:11 |
| jcastro | end of the week would be best | 22:11 |
| jcastro | kwwii: One or two design people would be enough, it doesn't have to be you | 22:12 |
| jcastro | if you two want to throw mt or mpt under the bus that would be fine as well. :p | 22:12 |
| tedg | jcastro: I could talk about either messaging menu or session menu, but they're kinda WYSIWYG. There's not much hidden to talk about. | 22:12 |
| kwwii | jcastro: ok, I will talk to the crew and see how many stare at me funny before saying no :p | 22:12 |
| kwwii | jcastro: I'll get back to you | 22:13 |
| jcastro | cheers! | 22:13 |
| tedg | jcastro: Stars playing the Red Wings during UDS. Unfortunately in Detroit. | 22:33 |
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