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lamalexthe indicator applet doesn't show my anything when i get an im so i just miss all of my ims18:43
ScottKProductivity enhancement.  It's a feature.18:54
lamalex:)19:08
lamalexnot a feature when its an im from my boss19:09
cyberixMy karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope?19:13
cyberixok I found it19:17
tedglamalex: It's probably something to do with your IM client.  Which are you using?19:26
lamalextedg: empathy19:26
lamalex(which brings me to the question why do we have 2 installed by default)19:26
tedglamalex: Okay, it would probably be best to ask kenvandine about how to debug whether it's sending the attention request.19:36
tedgI believe only one in installed by default, but Pidgin isn't removed.19:36
kenvandinehey19:37
kenvandinelamalex, we don't remove pidgin on upgrade but empathy does get installed19:38
lamalexkenvandine: pidgin was recently /added/ to my install iirc19:39
kenvandineoh... i think there was a bug briefly19:39
kenvandinewhich was fixed19:39
lamalexah19:39
kenvandineso dist-upgrade would have added it then19:39
kenvandinesorry19:39
kenvandinewe specifically don't remove it though19:40
kenvandinefor upgraders19:40
kenvandinesorry about that :)19:40
lamalexnp :)19:40
lamalexany idea about the indicator now showing new messages19:41
kenvandinelamalex, with empathy?19:45
lamalexkenvandine: yes19:49
kenvandinelook in the notifications tab in preferences19:49
kenvandineis use the indicator checked?19:49
kenvandinehey19:49
kenvandinewhoops19:49
lamalexkenvandine: things go there, but the icon doesn't change19:49
lamalexso ijust miss my ims19:50
lamalexusing human theme19:50
kenvandineah19:51
kenvandinehuman or humanity?19:51
kenvandineicon theme19:51
lamalexhumanity19:52
kenvandinethe current humanity icon theme (default in human) doesn't have a "draw-attention" emblem19:52
lamalexah19:52
kenvandineit is fixed upstream19:52
kenvandinebut archive is frozen :)19:52
lamalexthat's fscked19:52
lamalexthat needs a freeze exception if that's the default theme19:53
kenvandinealthough i am not super excited about it... i still can't tell :)19:53
kenvandinenah19:53
kenvandineit will be in the first update after beta19:53
kenvandinemac_v, that reminds me19:53
kenvandinethat still doesn't get my attention the way the green dot did19:53
* mac_v hides ;)19:53
kenvandineif i am not watching it while i get an IM, i can't tell the difference :)19:53
kenvandinei understand the green dot wouldn't really be appropriate though19:54
mac_vkenvandine: we have changed the appearance of the envelope , recently19:54
kenvandinebut perhaps a gray dot on the envelop?19:54
kenvandineor somethign?19:54
mac_vso that wont be a problem19:54
kenvandineright now it is just slightly more contrast in it when draw-attention is set right?19:54
mac_vyeah ..19:55
mac_vkenvandine: it has been fixed > now  when a new message arrives the envelope will fill up ;)19:55
kenvandinefill up?19:55
* kenvandine pulls again19:55
tgpraveenkenvandine: yeah a gray dot is a good idea. though the grayness might need some tweaking imho19:57
kenvandinemac_v, which icon would that be?19:59
kenvandinei just pulled and nothing in this update looks like that icon19:59
mac_vkenvandine: the icon will change when new mail arrives , or it is a bug in i-a ;p20:01
kenvandineno, i meant in bzr20:01
mac_vlet me  get you the icon20:01
kenvandinei and running humanity icons from bzr :)20:01
lamalexhas anyone done a gmail provider?20:01
kenvandinei just did a pull and don't see anything new that looks like it20:01
kenvandinelamalex, yes20:01
kenvandinegm-notify or gm-notifier20:01
kenvandinesomething like that20:01
kenvandineit is in LP20:01
kenvandinenot in universe yet though20:02
kenvandineafaik20:02
lamalexthanks20:02
mac_vargh! stupid lp!...20:09
mac_vkenvandine: the new icon will be in the Humanity/status/22/indicator-messages-new.svg20:10
mac_vi can find the icon in action image ! lp is hiding bugs :/20:10
mac_vcant*20:10
kenvandinemac_v, yeah.. i have that20:13
kenvandinei think think it isn't different enough 20:14
kenvandinelamalex, i didn't even notice i had that IM from you :)20:14
lamalexexactly!20:16
lamalex:P20:16
lamalexIMs should pop under, not be suppressed.20:17
mac_vlamalex: are you also using the latest Humanity bzr ?20:17
lamalexmac_v: yes20:18
mac_v:(20:18
kenvandinemac_v, i can see the difference20:18
kenvandinei just don't think it is enough to notice 20:18
kenvandinenot when you aren't specifically watching for it20:18
mac_vkenvandine: its better than previous icon ;)20:18
lamalexkenvandine: this is a failing of the indicator itself, not humanity's icon though20:18
kenvandineif it changes and then i look at it, i have to think "is that different"20:18
kenvandinemac_v, it is :)20:18
kenvandinelamalex, no... why?20:19
kenvandinewe change the icon 20:19
mac_vkenvandine: i-a is not always changing20:19
lamalexyou have to go check for messages, making them easy to miss if you're not checking20:19
kenvandinelamalex, why?20:19
lamalexbecause all you get is a little change in the panel20:19
kenvandineif the icon difference was more noticable, like it was in jaunty20:19
kenvandineit is obvious20:19
lamalexi still missed ims all the time with it20:20
kenvandineyou do also get a notification right?20:20
kenvandinei never did :)20:20
lamalexand the bigger your screen gets the easier it is to miss them20:20
kenvandinetrue20:20
kenvandinei am on a laptop20:20
mac_vkenvandine: notifications are being suppressed when using fullscreen apps :/20:20
kenvandineso not huge20:20
mac_vnotify-osd*20:20
kenvandinemac_v, true20:20
* mac_v wonders when macSlow will fix that :(20:21
kenvandinemac_v, anyway... i just think something like adding a gray dot would be better, instead of making the whole envelop look different20:21
mac_vkenvandine: if the envelope looks different and the difference is noticeable that solves the problem , right?20:22
kenvandineyes20:23
mac_vso not need dot ;)20:23
mac_vno*20:23
mac_vkenvandine: the main problem is the lac of color.. 20:23
mac_vlack*20:23
kenvandineyeah20:24
* kenvandine isn't a designer... just giving you my experience20:24
kenvandinewhat is there now isn't enough for me... and i focus a ton on the indicator :)20:24
mac_vkenvandine: yeah , we are used to colors soooo much , this is actually a regression for a few days until you get used to it20:25
lamalexkenvandine: does the gm-indicator work for you on karmic or does it require python-indicate from trunk or something20:28
kenvandineoh20:28
lamalexit's using clases athat aren't in my version of python-indicate20:29
kenvandinei bet that needs to be updated20:29
kenvandinei haven't hacked on it in quite a while20:29
lamalexthat being gm-notify, or py-indicate?20:29
kenvandinegm-notify20:30
lamalexdo you have a branch or is it something that needs done20:31
kenvandineneeds to be done20:35
kenvandinei won't have time20:35
kenvandinenot anytime soon :)20:35
kenvandineit is most like a one line change though20:35
* lamalex might take a look20:35
kenvandines/IndicatorMessage/Indicator20:35
kenvandinesomething like that20:35
kenvandinebut20:35
kenvandinemake it a try/except20:35
kenvandinetry one class, except use the other class20:36
kenvandineso it is backwards compatible with jaunty20:36
kenvandinei did that in gwibber20:36
lamalexrad20:36
kenvandinei am 95% sure that is all you need to do :)20:36
lamalexwhat editor do you use for python development? I can't find one that I like20:36
lamalexmonodevelop is so killer for C# that all other editor fail to meet my vision of what an editor should be20:37
kenvandinevim20:37
* lamalex vommits20:37
kenvandine              try:20:37
kenvandine                indicator = indicate.Indicator()20:37
kenvandine              except:20:37
kenvandine                indicator = indicate.IndicatorMessage()20:37
kenvandinevim is the only true editor :)20:37
* kenvandine hides20:37
lamalexVI VI VI - the number of the beast20:37
kenvandineif you get a branch for gm-notify, i think i have permissions in LP to merge it20:39
kenvandineso you can propose merge and set me as the reviewer20:39
lamalexkenvandine: rad20:40
lamalexkenvandine: proposed21:00
jcastrohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep22:00
jcastrook, who wants to do some openweek sessions in november?22:00
jcastrotedg: I know you do22:00
jcastrokwwii: some people have asked for like a theme tutorial or something too22:01
kwwiijcastro: hrm, I might be able to whip something up22:04
kwwiinot sure what people want to hear though22:04
kwwiijcastro: ohhhh, that is the week before the design sprint and UDS...bad timing22:07
tedgjcastro: I could.  I'm not sure what I'd talk about.22:07
tedgjcastro: When do you need to know?22:07
jcastrotedg: asap22:11
jcastroend of the week would be best22:11
jcastrokwwii: One or two design people would be enough, it doesn't have to be you22:12
jcastroif you two want to throw mt or mpt under the bus that would be fine as well. :p22:12
tedgjcastro: I could talk about either messaging menu or session menu, but they're kinda WYSIWYG.  There's not much hidden to talk about.22:12
kwwiijcastro: ok, I will talk to the crew and see how many stare at me funny before saying no :p22:12
kwwiijcastro: I'll get back to you22:13
jcastrocheers!22:13
tedgjcastro: Stars playing the Red Wings during UDS.  Unfortunately in Detroit.22:33

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