[18:43] <lamalex> the indicator applet doesn't show my anything when i get an im so i just miss all of my ims
[18:54] <ScottK> Productivity enhancement.  It's a feature.
[19:08] <lamalex> :)
[19:09] <lamalex> not a feature when its an im from my boss
[19:13] <cyberix> My karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope?
[19:17] <cyberix> ok I found it
[19:26] <tedg> lamalex: It's probably something to do with your IM client.  Which are you using?
[19:26] <lamalex> tedg: empathy
[19:26] <lamalex> (which brings me to the question why do we have 2 installed by default)
[19:36] <tedg> lamalex: Okay, it would probably be best to ask kenvandine about how to debug whether it's sending the attention request.
[19:36] <tedg> I believe only one in installed by default, but Pidgin isn't removed.
[19:37] <kenvandine> hey
[19:38] <kenvandine> lamalex, we don't remove pidgin on upgrade but empathy does get installed
[19:39] <lamalex> kenvandine: pidgin was recently /added/ to my install iirc
[19:39] <kenvandine> oh... i think there was a bug briefly
[19:39] <kenvandine> which was fixed
[19:39] <lamalex> ah
[19:39] <kenvandine> so dist-upgrade would have added it then
[19:39] <kenvandine> sorry
[19:40] <kenvandine> we specifically don't remove it though
[19:40] <kenvandine> for upgraders
[19:40] <kenvandine> sorry about that :)
[19:40] <lamalex> np :)
[19:41] <lamalex> any idea about the indicator now showing new messages
[19:45] <kenvandine> lamalex, with empathy?
[19:49] <lamalex> kenvandine: yes
[19:49] <kenvandine> look in the notifications tab in preferences
[19:49] <kenvandine> is use the indicator checked?
[19:49] <kenvandine> hey
[19:49] <kenvandine> whoops
[19:49] <lamalex> kenvandine: things go there, but the icon doesn't change
[19:50] <lamalex> so ijust miss my ims
[19:50] <lamalex> using human theme
[19:51] <kenvandine> ah
[19:51] <kenvandine> human or humanity?
[19:51] <kenvandine> icon theme
[19:52] <lamalex> humanity
[19:52] <kenvandine> the current humanity icon theme (default in human) doesn't have a "draw-attention" emblem
[19:52] <lamalex> ah
[19:52] <kenvandine> it is fixed upstream
[19:52] <kenvandine> but archive is frozen :)
[19:52] <lamalex> that's fscked
[19:53] <lamalex> that needs a freeze exception if that's the default theme
[19:53] <kenvandine> although i am not super excited about it... i still can't tell :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> nah
[19:53] <kenvandine> it will be in the first update after beta
[19:53] <kenvandine> mac_v, that reminds me
[19:53] <kenvandine> that still doesn't get my attention the way the green dot did
[19:53]  * mac_v hides ;)
[19:53] <kenvandine> if i am not watching it while i get an IM, i can't tell the difference :)
[19:54] <kenvandine> i understand the green dot wouldn't really be appropriate though
[19:54] <mac_v> kenvandine: we have changed the appearance of the envelope , recently
[19:54] <kenvandine> but perhaps a gray dot on the envelop?
[19:54] <kenvandine> or somethign?
[19:54] <mac_v> so that wont be a problem
[19:54] <kenvandine> right now it is just slightly more contrast in it when draw-attention is set right?
[19:55] <mac_v> yeah ..
[19:55] <mac_v> kenvandine: it has been fixed > now  when a new message arrives the envelope will fill up ;)
[19:55] <kenvandine> fill up?
[19:55]  * kenvandine pulls again
[19:57] <tgpraveen> kenvandine: yeah a gray dot is a good idea. though the grayness might need some tweaking imho
[19:59] <kenvandine> mac_v, which icon would that be?
[19:59] <kenvandine> i just pulled and nothing in this update looks like that icon
[20:01] <mac_v> kenvandine: the icon will change when new mail arrives , or it is a bug in i-a ;p
[20:01] <kenvandine> no, i meant in bzr
[20:01] <mac_v> let me  get you the icon
[20:01] <kenvandine> i and running humanity icons from bzr :)
[20:01] <lamalex> has anyone done a gmail provider?
[20:01] <kenvandine> i just did a pull and don't see anything new that looks like it
[20:01] <kenvandine> lamalex, yes
[20:01] <kenvandine> gm-notify or gm-notifier
[20:01] <kenvandine> something like that
[20:01] <kenvandine> it is in LP
[20:02] <kenvandine> not in universe yet though
[20:02] <kenvandine> afaik
[20:02] <lamalex> thanks
[20:09] <mac_v> argh! stupid lp!...
[20:10] <mac_v> kenvandine: the new icon will be in the Humanity/status/22/indicator-messages-new.svg
[20:10] <mac_v> i can find the icon in action image ! lp is hiding bugs :/
[20:10] <mac_v> cant*
[20:13] <kenvandine> mac_v, yeah.. i have that
[20:14] <kenvandine> i think think it isn't different enough 
[20:14] <kenvandine> lamalex, i didn't even notice i had that IM from you :)
[20:16] <lamalex> exactly!
[20:16] <lamalex> :P
[20:17] <lamalex> IMs should pop under, not be suppressed.
[20:17] <mac_v> lamalex: are you also using the latest Humanity bzr ?
[20:18] <lamalex> mac_v: yes
[20:18] <mac_v> :(
[20:18] <kenvandine> mac_v, i can see the difference
[20:18] <kenvandine> i just don't think it is enough to notice 
[20:18] <kenvandine> not when you aren't specifically watching for it
[20:18] <mac_v> kenvandine: its better than previous icon ;)
[20:18] <lamalex> kenvandine: this is a failing of the indicator itself, not humanity's icon though
[20:18] <kenvandine> if it changes and then i look at it, i have to think "is that different"
[20:18] <kenvandine> mac_v, it is :)
[20:19] <kenvandine> lamalex, no... why?
[20:19] <kenvandine> we change the icon 
[20:19] <mac_v> kenvandine: i-a is not always changing
[20:19] <lamalex> you have to go check for messages, making them easy to miss if you're not checking
[20:19] <kenvandine> lamalex, why?
[20:19] <lamalex> because all you get is a little change in the panel
[20:19] <kenvandine> if the icon difference was more noticable, like it was in jaunty
[20:19] <kenvandine> it is obvious
[20:20] <lamalex> i still missed ims all the time with it
[20:20] <kenvandine> you do also get a notification right?
[20:20] <kenvandine> i never did :)
[20:20] <lamalex> and the bigger your screen gets the easier it is to miss them
[20:20] <kenvandine> true
[20:20] <kenvandine> i am on a laptop
[20:20] <mac_v> kenvandine: notifications are being suppressed when using fullscreen apps :/
[20:20] <kenvandine> so not huge
[20:20] <mac_v> notify-osd*
[20:20] <kenvandine> mac_v, true
[20:21]  * mac_v wonders when macSlow will fix that :(
[20:21] <kenvandine> mac_v, anyway... i just think something like adding a gray dot would be better, instead of making the whole envelop look different
[20:22] <mac_v> kenvandine: if the envelope looks different and the difference is noticeable that solves the problem , right?
[20:23] <kenvandine> yes
[20:23] <mac_v> so not need dot ;)
[20:23] <mac_v> no*
[20:23] <mac_v> kenvandine: the main problem is the lac of color.. 
[20:23] <mac_v> lack*
[20:24] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:24]  * kenvandine isn't a designer... just giving you my experience
[20:24] <kenvandine> what is there now isn't enough for me... and i focus a ton on the indicator :)
[20:25] <mac_v> kenvandine: yeah , we are used to colors soooo much , this is actually a regression for a few days until you get used to it
[20:28] <lamalex> kenvandine: does the gm-indicator work for you on karmic or does it require python-indicate from trunk or something
[20:28] <kenvandine> oh
[20:29] <lamalex> it's using clases athat aren't in my version of python-indicate
[20:29] <kenvandine> i bet that needs to be updated
[20:29] <kenvandine> i haven't hacked on it in quite a while
[20:29] <lamalex> that being gm-notify, or py-indicate?
[20:30] <kenvandine> gm-notify
[20:31] <lamalex> do you have a branch or is it something that needs done
[20:35] <kenvandine> needs to be done
[20:35] <kenvandine> i won't have time
[20:35] <kenvandine> not anytime soon :)
[20:35] <kenvandine> it is most like a one line change though
[20:35]  * lamalex might take a look
[20:35] <kenvandine> s/IndicatorMessage/Indicator
[20:35] <kenvandine> something like that
[20:35] <kenvandine> but
[20:35] <kenvandine> make it a try/except
[20:36] <kenvandine> try one class, except use the other class
[20:36] <kenvandine> so it is backwards compatible with jaunty
[20:36] <kenvandine> i did that in gwibber
[20:36] <lamalex> rad
[20:36] <kenvandine> i am 95% sure that is all you need to do :)
[20:36] <lamalex> what editor do you use for python development? I can't find one that I like
[20:37] <lamalex> monodevelop is so killer for C# that all other editor fail to meet my vision of what an editor should be
[20:37] <kenvandine> vim
[20:37]  * lamalex vommits
[20:37] <kenvandine>               try:
[20:37] <kenvandine>                 indicator = indicate.Indicator()
[20:37] <kenvandine>               except:
[20:37] <kenvandine>                 indicator = indicate.IndicatorMessage()
[20:37] <kenvandine> vim is the only true editor :)
[20:37]  * kenvandine hides
[20:37] <lamalex> VI VI VI - the number of the beast
[20:39] <kenvandine> if you get a branch for gm-notify, i think i have permissions in LP to merge it
[20:39] <kenvandine> so you can propose merge and set me as the reviewer
[20:40] <lamalex> kenvandine: rad
[21:00] <lamalex> kenvandine: proposed
[22:00] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[22:00] <jcastro> ok, who wants to do some openweek sessions in november?
[22:00] <jcastro> tedg: I know you do
[22:01] <jcastro> kwwii: some people have asked for like a theme tutorial or something too
[22:04] <kwwii> jcastro: hrm, I might be able to whip something up
[22:04] <kwwii> not sure what people want to hear though
[22:07] <kwwii> jcastro: ohhhh, that is the week before the design sprint and UDS...bad timing
[22:07] <tedg> jcastro: I could.  I'm not sure what I'd talk about.
[22:07] <tedg> jcastro: When do you need to know?
[22:11] <jcastro> tedg: asap
[22:11] <jcastro> end of the week would be best
[22:12] <jcastro> kwwii: One or two design people would be enough, it doesn't have to be you
[22:12] <jcastro> if you two want to throw mt or mpt under the bus that would be fine as well. :p
[22:12] <tedg> jcastro: I could talk about either messaging menu or session menu, but they're kinda WYSIWYG.  There's not much hidden to talk about.
[22:12] <kwwii> jcastro: ok, I will talk to the crew and see how many stare at me funny before saying no :p
[22:13] <kwwii> jcastro: I'll get back to you
[22:13] <jcastro> cheers!
[22:33] <tedg> jcastro: Stars playing the Red Wings during UDS.  Unfortunately in Detroit.