=== rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === Pici` is now known as Pici === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [18:43] the indicator applet doesn't show my anything when i get an im so i just miss all of my ims [18:54] Productivity enhancement. It's a feature. [19:08] :) [19:09] not a feature when its an im from my boss [19:13] My karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope? [19:17] ok I found it [19:26] lamalex: It's probably something to do with your IM client. Which are you using? [19:26] tedg: empathy [19:26] (which brings me to the question why do we have 2 installed by default) [19:36] lamalex: Okay, it would probably be best to ask kenvandine about how to debug whether it's sending the attention request. [19:36] I believe only one in installed by default, but Pidgin isn't removed. [19:37] hey [19:38] lamalex, we don't remove pidgin on upgrade but empathy does get installed [19:39] kenvandine: pidgin was recently /added/ to my install iirc [19:39] oh... i think there was a bug briefly [19:39] which was fixed [19:39] ah [19:39] so dist-upgrade would have added it then [19:39] sorry [19:40] we specifically don't remove it though [19:40] for upgraders [19:40] sorry about that :) [19:40] np :) [19:41] any idea about the indicator now showing new messages [19:45] lamalex, with empathy? [19:49] kenvandine: yes [19:49] look in the notifications tab in preferences [19:49] is use the indicator checked? [19:49] hey [19:49] whoops [19:49] kenvandine: things go there, but the icon doesn't change [19:50] so ijust miss my ims [19:50] using human theme [19:51] ah [19:51] human or humanity? [19:51] icon theme [19:52] humanity [19:52] the current humanity icon theme (default in human) doesn't have a "draw-attention" emblem [19:52] ah [19:52] it is fixed upstream [19:52] but archive is frozen :) [19:52] that's fscked [19:53] that needs a freeze exception if that's the default theme [19:53] although i am not super excited about it... i still can't tell :) [19:53] nah [19:53] it will be in the first update after beta [19:53] mac_v, that reminds me [19:53] that still doesn't get my attention the way the green dot did [19:53] * mac_v hides ;) [19:53] if i am not watching it while i get an IM, i can't tell the difference :) [19:54] i understand the green dot wouldn't really be appropriate though [19:54] kenvandine: we have changed the appearance of the envelope , recently [19:54] but perhaps a gray dot on the envelop? [19:54] or somethign? [19:54] so that wont be a problem [19:54] right now it is just slightly more contrast in it when draw-attention is set right? [19:55] yeah .. [19:55] kenvandine: it has been fixed > now when a new message arrives the envelope will fill up ;) [19:55] fill up? [19:55] * kenvandine pulls again [19:57] kenvandine: yeah a gray dot is a good idea. though the grayness might need some tweaking imho [19:59] mac_v, which icon would that be? [19:59] i just pulled and nothing in this update looks like that icon [20:01] kenvandine: the icon will change when new mail arrives , or it is a bug in i-a ;p [20:01] no, i meant in bzr [20:01] let me get you the icon [20:01] i and running humanity icons from bzr :) [20:01] has anyone done a gmail provider? [20:01] i just did a pull and don't see anything new that looks like it [20:01] lamalex, yes [20:01] gm-notify or gm-notifier [20:01] something like that [20:01] it is in LP [20:02] not in universe yet though [20:02] afaik [20:02] thanks [20:09] argh! stupid lp!... [20:10] kenvandine: the new icon will be in the Humanity/status/22/indicator-messages-new.svg [20:10] i can find the icon in action image ! lp is hiding bugs :/ [20:10] cant* [20:13] mac_v, yeah.. i have that [20:14] i think think it isn't different enough [20:14] lamalex, i didn't even notice i had that IM from you :) [20:16] exactly! [20:16] :P [20:17] IMs should pop under, not be suppressed. [20:17] lamalex: are you also using the latest Humanity bzr ? [20:18] mac_v: yes [20:18] :( [20:18] mac_v, i can see the difference [20:18] i just don't think it is enough to notice [20:18] not when you aren't specifically watching for it [20:18] kenvandine: its better than previous icon ;) [20:18] kenvandine: this is a failing of the indicator itself, not humanity's icon though [20:18] if it changes and then i look at it, i have to think "is that different" [20:18] mac_v, it is :) [20:19] lamalex, no... why? [20:19] we change the icon [20:19] kenvandine: i-a is not always changing [20:19] you have to go check for messages, making them easy to miss if you're not checking [20:19] lamalex, why? [20:19] because all you get is a little change in the panel [20:19] if the icon difference was more noticable, like it was in jaunty [20:19] it is obvious [20:20] i still missed ims all the time with it [20:20] you do also get a notification right? [20:20] i never did :) [20:20] and the bigger your screen gets the easier it is to miss them [20:20] true [20:20] i am on a laptop [20:20] kenvandine: notifications are being suppressed when using fullscreen apps :/ [20:20] so not huge [20:20] notify-osd* [20:20] mac_v, true [20:21] * mac_v wonders when macSlow will fix that :( [20:21] mac_v, anyway... i just think something like adding a gray dot would be better, instead of making the whole envelop look different [20:22] kenvandine: if the envelope looks different and the difference is noticeable that solves the problem , right? [20:23] yes [20:23] so not need dot ;) [20:23] no* [20:23] kenvandine: the main problem is the lac of color.. [20:23] lack* [20:24] yeah [20:24] * kenvandine isn't a designer... just giving you my experience [20:24] what is there now isn't enough for me... and i focus a ton on the indicator :) [20:25] kenvandine: yeah , we are used to colors soooo much , this is actually a regression for a few days until you get used to it [20:28] kenvandine: does the gm-indicator work for you on karmic or does it require python-indicate from trunk or something [20:28] oh [20:29] it's using clases athat aren't in my version of python-indicate [20:29] i bet that needs to be updated [20:29] i haven't hacked on it in quite a while [20:29] that being gm-notify, or py-indicate? [20:30] gm-notify [20:31] do you have a branch or is it something that needs done [20:35] needs to be done [20:35] i won't have time [20:35] not anytime soon :) [20:35] it is most like a one line change though [20:35] * lamalex might take a look [20:35] s/IndicatorMessage/Indicator [20:35] something like that [20:35] but [20:35] make it a try/except [20:36] try one class, except use the other class [20:36] so it is backwards compatible with jaunty [20:36] i did that in gwibber [20:36] rad [20:36] i am 95% sure that is all you need to do :) [20:36] what editor do you use for python development? I can't find one that I like [20:37] monodevelop is so killer for C# that all other editor fail to meet my vision of what an editor should be [20:37] vim [20:37] * lamalex vommits [20:37] try: [20:37] indicator = indicate.Indicator() [20:37] except: [20:37] indicator = indicate.IndicatorMessage() [20:37] vim is the only true editor :) [20:37] * kenvandine hides [20:37] VI VI VI - the number of the beast [20:39] if you get a branch for gm-notify, i think i have permissions in LP to merge it [20:39] so you can propose merge and set me as the reviewer [20:40] kenvandine: rad [21:00] kenvandine: proposed [22:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep [22:00] ok, who wants to do some openweek sessions in november? [22:00] tedg: I know you do [22:01] kwwii: some people have asked for like a theme tutorial or something too [22:04] jcastro: hrm, I might be able to whip something up [22:04] not sure what people want to hear though [22:07] jcastro: ohhhh, that is the week before the design sprint and UDS...bad timing [22:07] jcastro: I could. I'm not sure what I'd talk about. [22:07] jcastro: When do you need to know? [22:11] tedg: asap [22:11] end of the week would be best [22:12] kwwii: One or two design people would be enough, it doesn't have to be you [22:12] if you two want to throw mt or mpt under the bus that would be fine as well. :p [22:12] jcastro: I could talk about either messaging menu or session menu, but they're kinda WYSIWYG. There's not much hidden to talk about. [22:12] jcastro: ok, I will talk to the crew and see how many stare at me funny before saying no :p [22:13] jcastro: I'll get back to you [22:13] cheers! [22:33] jcastro: Stars playing the Red Wings during UDS. Unfortunately in Detroit.