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LaserJockshould Edubuntu do something for Ubuntu Open Week?00:52
akgranerLaserJock, if you want to.. we have slots01:12
LaserJockakgraner: yikes! I didn't see you in here, you scared me :-)01:13
akgranerLaserJock, lol  :-)01:14
akgranerhmm I haven't ever had that reaction before...:-)01:14
LaserJockakgraner: well, I just was reading jorges email mentioning you and here you were01:15
akgraneroh wow..ok that is scary then01:15
mhall119hey akgraner01:22
mhall119fancy meeting you here01:22
akgranermhall119, hey01:22
akgraneryeah I been nagging everyone today...01:22
mhall119lol01:22
LaserJockmhall119: how's it going?02:19
alkisgGood morning all02:22
LaserJockhi alkisg02:22
LaserJockalkisg: did you get your gdm question answered in #ubuntu-devel?02:25
alkisgLaserJock, unfortunately nope :(02:25
LaserJockalkisg: what command were you using?02:25
alkisgLaserJock, do you think I could apply to be part of some team? I don't know which one, motu, edubuntu something... I'm going to be around here or at #ltsp for many hours each day for the foreseeable years, so I don't know, wouldn't it be a good thing to be part of some team?02:26
LaserJockalkisg: sure!02:26
alkisgWhere do you think I should start?02:26
LaserJockalkisg: what do you want to work on? LTSP and friends?02:26
alkisgLTSP and setting up ubuntu in a school environment with standalone PCs02:26
LaserJockthat sounds pretty Edubuntu to me02:27
alkisgTo me too :)02:27
LaserJockthere's some stuff coming along involving upload rights in Ubuntu02:27
LaserJockthe whole Universe and Main thing is going away02:27
alkisgAnd it'll be replaced with what?02:28
LaserJockand instead there will be package groups, each with it's own Launchpad team with permissions02:28
LaserJockand then a group of generalists who can upload anything (like the current Core Developers)02:28
LaserJockI created the ~edubuntu-dev team in preparation of that02:29
alkisgOooo sounds good :) But what will happen to motu or the other framework?02:29
LaserJockMOTU will basically disappear02:29
LaserJockin the sense that they will either get "promoted" to the generalists or go to a team upload list02:29
LaserJockI'm hoping in the future the Edubuntu Council will be able to not only give Edubuntu Membership but also Edubuntu upload rights02:30
LaserJockI'm not sure how long that will take, most of the technical parts are in place now02:30
LaserJockbut I think it might take a release or two before all the governance and policies are worked out02:30
LaserJock*anyway* I think ~edubuntu-dev would be a good team for you to shoot for02:31
alkisgI understand... well, no problem for me, I have about 20 years in education ahead of me :)02:31
LaserJockUbuntu is also currently moving to using bzr for packaging02:31
LaserJockdo you know bzr?02:31
alkisgI've used it a little, I have a branch in launchpad02:32
alkisgBut not a lot, I only know the 10 minute tour :)02:32
alkisgSo how do I prepare to apply for edubuntu-devs? Is it like applying for a motu, i.e. set up a wiki page with a small cv etc?02:33
LaserJockalkisg: are you an Edubuntu Member yet?02:35
alkisgNope :(02:36
LaserJockalkisg: let's fix that first then02:36
alkisg(maybe I should start there!)02:36
LaserJockwe don't have a defined policy yet for edubuntu-dev02:36
LaserJockso I don't know exactly what to tell you there02:36
LaserJockbut I don't think it'll be as hard as MOTU02:37
LaserJockwe just want to be reasonably sure you're not going to total screw up the packages :-)02:37
alkisgOK. I'll gather up some of the stuff I've been involved with in any case, to better "present" myself...02:37
LaserJockalkisg: excellent02:38
alkisgDon't worry about that, I'm not going to be directly commiting anything in the first months!!!02:38
LaserJockalkisg: well, the beauty of doing it in bzr is that you can commit you're changes and then I can merge, review, and then upload02:38
alkisgIt took me about 1 year to find the "courage" to upload my code to my launchpad branch, because I didn't want it to show up in the history incomplete! :D02:38
LaserJocks/I/stgraber/ most likely02:38
LaserJockheh02:39
LaserJockalkisg: I'd sure like to see more of you're scripts making it into Ubuntu/Edubuntu02:39
LaserJock*your02:40
alkisgI'd love to, but right know they're pretty focused to how we setup labs here in Greece. This year I'm going to develop a series of script and another 100-page manual for standalone lab setups, and from the next year I'd like to try to put as much of those as I can upstream...02:41
alkisg*now02:41
alkisg...so, a libpam-sshfs for authenticating students + mounting their homes (instead of ldap/nfs), and a users-manager with lots of administrative functions...02:42
balsaqgoingforitslightly off topic question here buy buntu for sure?02:43
balsaqgoingforitbut* not buy02:44
balsaqgoingforitok?02:44
alkisgShoot :)02:44
alkisgLaserJock, anyway, about the shutdown thing... it's used in the italc code, and now it calls gdm-signal -h, which isn't installed and even if one installs it, it doesn't work...02:44
alkisgSo any other ways to do it would be appreciated :)02:45
balsaqgoingforitrunning ubuntu 904, put xubuntu in cd tray fro fun, turn it on , ran for a bit now have icon on desk and a windoew which says "a volume with software has been detected" cancel or start pkg manager02:45
ubottuBug 904 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/904 is private02:45
balsaqgoingforitis it trying to simply run it off live disc or did i do an install...my desk still look like ubuntu90402:46
balsaqgoingforitdics still in tray as we speak02:46
alkisgThat's an "autorun" feature, to help people install packages from cds02:47
alkisgYou don't want to install anything from there, so you just close it and nothing's changed...02:48
balsaqgoingforitso i havent installed it yet?02:48
alkisgNope, unless you pressed "yes" and selected packages and pressed OK and you saw it install stuff :)02:48
balsaqgoingforiti wanted 2 parttitions...1. ubuntu with FF     and     2. xubuntu with opera02:49
balsaqgoingforitended up with this?02:49
LaserJockalkisg: the problem is Gnome has really done a poor job of matching features of the "old" GDM with the new one02:49
balsaqgoingforitthe black screens flew by so fast when i planned to partition that i coouldnt even read them02:50
LaserJockalkisg: so I think almost all the command line utilities (gdmsetup for instance) are gone02:50
alkisgLaserJock: I think gnome-power-cmd used hal, which is deprecated in karmic, but I don't see any similar calls...02:50
balsaqgoingforitso all i di was install an installer helper02:50
LaserJockalkisg: I think hal was replaced with devicekit if I remember right, I could be wrong though02:50
alkisgLaserJock: (gnome-power-cmd runs fine in Jaunty and does what we want, but I don't see any similar functions in devicekit)02:51
LaserJockalkisg: so the users won't have sudo access? you couldn't run some sort of gksudo command?02:51
balsaqgoingforitif i click on the installer manager, whats going to happen02:51
alkisgWe'd have to put them to sudoers, and/or need a password, which invalidates the "remote admin" part of italc02:51
LaserJockalkisg: could you send me an email detailing the problem? I can send it to ubuntu-devel to get more attention02:52
alkisgOK, will do.02:53
balsaqgoingforitcan someone assist me with this?02:54
alkisgbalsaqgoingforit: could you be more specific about what your currect situation is, and what you're trying to accomplish?02:54
balsaqgoingforitam running ubuntu 904, wanted to have 2 partitions, 1. ubuntu, 2. xubuntu.....put xubuntu in cd tray booted it, now have xubuntu on my ubuntu desktop with a package manager thing asking me if i want to open it with the package manager...am i getting done what i set out o do?02:56
ubottuBug 904 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/904 is private02:56
balsaqgoingforitexteremely new here...5 days old02:57
alkisgbalsaqgoingforit: run this in a terminal: blkid02:57
balsaqgoingforiti dont even know what a terminal is sorry02:57
alkisgGo to the "Applications" menu, then accessories, then terminal02:58
balsaqgoingforitmay i ask why?02:58
alkisgThat will tell us what partitions you already have02:58
balsaqgoingforitwell all i ever did was wipe out w98 and out in ubuntu so i have 102:59
alkisgIn the default ubuntu installation, you get 202:59
balsaqgoingforitso 202:59
alkisgWell, if you ran this command, we'd be sure...02:59
balsaqgoingforitnever did anything else wiped out w98 when i did it02:59
balsaqgoingforitok here goes03:00
balsaqgoingforitill leave this pkg manager twindow in front of me for now03:00
alkisgOK03:00
balsaqgoingforitdid it03:01
alkisgNow paste here the output of the command03:01
balsaqgoingforiton on a diff computer nnow the one we are workin on is not on the internet03:02
alkisgOK, how many /dev/sdaX did you see there?03:03
balsaqgoingforit3 dev things03:03
alkisg...and what "System" each one of those were?03:03
alkisgLinux, swap, and ??03:03
alkisgextended?03:03
alkisg(win95 lba or however that is called?)03:04
balsaqgoingforitsdal uuid, sda5 uuid  loop0 type squashfs03:04
balsaqgoingforitopps sdal for the 1st one too03:04
alkisgHere, see mine:03:04
alkisg   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System03:05
alkisg/dev/sda1               1        5337    42868736+   7  HPFS/NTFS03:05
alkisg/dev/sda2   *        5338        9253    31455270   83  Linux03:05
alkisg/dev/sda3            9254       13169    31453474+  83  Linux03:05
alkisg/dev/sda4           13169       30401   138417835+  83  Linux03:05
balsaqgoingforityeah 1st time i wrote it right03:05
balsaqgoingforitso how many partitions03:05
alkisgI have 4 /dev/sda? partitions, one of them being NTFS, and 3 of them Linux03:05
alkisgHow many do *you* have?03:05
balsaqgoingforiti 5 lines but only 3 lines have the /dev at the beginning03:06
alkisgbalsaqgoingforit: anyway, here's what you need to do: you need to *manually* partition your disk03:06
alkisgYou need to create another partition for xubuntu to go there03:06
alkisgBut it's a long story, so it's not easy to do that with someone helping you in irc03:06
balsaqgoingforitnow can i just dump it the whole xubuntu thing03:07
alkisgSo you need to find an article on google and read it, to see how you can manually create a new partition03:07
alkisgNo. You didn't install xubuntu03:07
alkisgYou only have a standard ubuntu installation03:07
balsaqgoingforitno it was supposed to offer me the partition while in the black screens they told me   now i want to erase xubuntu ok03:07
alkisgTo install 2 operating systems, you need to do some reading about partitionioning03:08
balsaqgoingforityeah my error let dump it03:08
balsaqgoingforitcan i dump it03:08
alkisgSure you can close it03:08
balsaqgoingforitwant to dump the icon too and not leave any traces in here is that easy too do03:09
alkisgJust unmount and eject the cd :)03:09
alkisgYou didn't install anything from the xubuntu CD (if I understood correctly what you did)03:09
balsaqgoingforitwont come out of tray03:09
alkisgYou need to unmount it first03:10
balsaqgoingforitmaybe cause the pkg manager is waiting for me03:10
balsaqgoingforitwill hit cancel on pkg manager03:10
balsaqgoingforit?03:10
alkisgYeah, close all programs that use it, right click on the cd icon and select unmount03:10
alkisgYes, close the pkg manager :)03:10
balsaqgoingforitwhew gonezo03:11
balsaqgoingforitnow lets see if i can get the cd out03:11
balsaqgoingforitoh byeah yur good03:11
balsaqgoingforitnow did i just put lilexe or dll's in my reg messinround like this?03:12
balsaqgoingforitjust killed w98...want a nice clean buntu here ya know03:12
alkisgThere are no DLLs or registry in Ubuntu. And no, you didn't install anything.03:13
balsaqgoingforitcool...tried to get a lil fancy fro my level of expertise....i am brand spankin new witht htis stuff03:13
balsaqgoingforitthank you03:13
alkisgYou're welcome03:14
balsaqgoingforitwas in xubuntu and a guy was telling me how to do it but it didnt play out as he said it would...the black screens never gave me achance to dual partition it just flew by me03:14
balsaqgoingforitwhen i killed w98 i saw that oppertunity so i thought i could do it03:15
balsaqgoingforitthanks again...back to ubuntu03:17
dindageez akgraner you're everywhere!  :)03:58
LaserJockshe's evvvvvvvery where .... <spooky ghost music>04:01
LaserJockalkisg: still around?04:01
dindaLaserJock: howdy!  i've been sifting through the edubuntu -dev list archive trying to see where things are with the project04:03
* LaserJock hides04:03
alkisgLaserJock: pong04:04
LaserJockalkisg: I got a little confused, is this on an LTSP setup?04:05
alkisgThe italc thing? No, it's for standalone pcs04:05
LaserJockalkisg: i.e. what exactly are you shutting down with iTalic04:05
alkisgA remote standalone pc04:05
LaserJockalkisg: OK good, my understanding of LTSP is restored :-)04:05
alkisgHeh :)04:05
alkisgTo make this simpler: how can I shutdown my own pc from a script?04:06
alkisg(without sudo etc). ^^^ that also answers the italc question...04:06
LaserJockyeah04:08
balsaqquestion about the apllication open office word processor anyone here using itoften?06:07
balsaqspecifically about saving a file06:08
balsaqwhen i finished writing the word file it quickly did something like it was saving it for me...before i chose to name it (prefer to save as) and before i chose where i wanted to put it. in the end i did name it abd saved it to my desktop....but am wondering now if is saved twice and if so where it is becasue i dont want it in here twice?06:11
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alkisgogra, (thanks!) pinging you becase LaserJock's not around, what do we do with the (now unsupported) Gutsy ltsp-related bugs? I'm thinking to ask the reporters if the bug still exists for them, and close them if there's no reply in 2 weeks... Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/243522 (of course I'll keep the ones that I know are still valid, e.g. #159526)12:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243522 in ltsp "Crashes the ltsp edubuntu 7.10 server" [Undecided,New]12:21
Ahmuck_Srhttp://pastebin.be/2116215:21
ograalkisg1, feel free to close all bugs that are for unsupported releases with a note that they are EOL ...15:31
YanHi!21:47
Yananyone here?21:47
Yanany developers here?21:51
alkisgace_suares, hi, what's the meeting time on Friday?21:58
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