[00:52] <LaserJock> should Edubuntu do something for Ubuntu Open Week?
[01:12] <akgraner> LaserJock, if you want to.. we have slots
[01:13] <LaserJock> akgraner: yikes! I didn't see you in here, you scared me :-)
[01:14] <akgraner> LaserJock, lol  :-)
[01:14] <akgraner> hmm I haven't ever had that reaction before...:-)
[01:15] <LaserJock> akgraner: well, I just was reading jorges email mentioning you and here you were
[01:15] <akgraner> oh wow..ok that is scary then
[01:22] <mhall119> hey akgraner
[01:22] <mhall119> fancy meeting you here
[01:22] <akgraner> mhall119, hey
[01:22] <akgraner> yeah I been nagging everyone today...
[01:22] <mhall119> lol
[02:19] <LaserJock> mhall119: how's it going?
[02:22] <alkisg> Good morning all
[02:22] <LaserJock> hi alkisg
[02:25] <LaserJock> alkisg: did you get your gdm question answered in #ubuntu-devel?
[02:25] <alkisg> LaserJock, unfortunately nope :(
[02:25] <LaserJock> alkisg: what command were you using?
[02:26] <alkisg> LaserJock, do you think I could apply to be part of some team? I don't know which one, motu, edubuntu something... I'm going to be around here or at #ltsp for many hours each day for the foreseeable years, so I don't know, wouldn't it be a good thing to be part of some team?
[02:26] <LaserJock> alkisg: sure!
[02:26] <alkisg> Where do you think I should start?
[02:26] <LaserJock> alkisg: what do you want to work on? LTSP and friends?
[02:26] <alkisg> LTSP and setting up ubuntu in a school environment with standalone PCs
[02:27] <LaserJock> that sounds pretty Edubuntu to me
[02:27] <alkisg> To me too :)
[02:27] <LaserJock> there's some stuff coming along involving upload rights in Ubuntu
[02:27] <LaserJock> the whole Universe and Main thing is going away
[02:28] <alkisg> And it'll be replaced with what?
[02:28] <LaserJock> and instead there will be package groups, each with it's own Launchpad team with permissions
[02:28] <LaserJock> and then a group of generalists who can upload anything (like the current Core Developers)
[02:29] <LaserJock> I created the ~edubuntu-dev team in preparation of that
[02:29] <alkisg> Oooo sounds good :) But what will happen to motu or the other framework?
[02:29] <LaserJock> MOTU will basically disappear
[02:29] <LaserJock> in the sense that they will either get "promoted" to the generalists or go to a team upload list
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm hoping in the future the Edubuntu Council will be able to not only give Edubuntu Membership but also Edubuntu upload rights
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how long that will take, most of the technical parts are in place now
[02:30] <LaserJock> but I think it might take a release or two before all the governance and policies are worked out
[02:31] <LaserJock> *anyway* I think ~edubuntu-dev would be a good team for you to shoot for
[02:31] <alkisg> I understand... well, no problem for me, I have about 20 years in education ahead of me :)
[02:31] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is also currently moving to using bzr for packaging
[02:31] <LaserJock> do you know bzr?
[02:32] <alkisg> I've used it a little, I have a branch in launchpad
[02:32] <alkisg> But not a lot, I only know the 10 minute tour :)
[02:33] <alkisg> So how do I prepare to apply for edubuntu-devs? Is it like applying for a motu, i.e. set up a wiki page with a small cv etc?
[02:35] <LaserJock> alkisg: are you an Edubuntu Member yet?
[02:36] <alkisg> Nope :(
[02:36] <LaserJock> alkisg: let's fix that first then
[02:36] <alkisg> (maybe I should start there!)
[02:36] <LaserJock> we don't have a defined policy yet for edubuntu-dev
[02:36] <LaserJock> so I don't know exactly what to tell you there
[02:37] <LaserJock> but I don't think it'll be as hard as MOTU
[02:37] <LaserJock> we just want to be reasonably sure you're not going to total screw up the packages :-)
[02:37] <alkisg> OK. I'll gather up some of the stuff I've been involved with in any case, to better "present" myself...
[02:38] <LaserJock> alkisg: excellent
[02:38] <alkisg> Don't worry about that, I'm not going to be directly commiting anything in the first months!!!
[02:38] <LaserJock> alkisg: well, the beauty of doing it in bzr is that you can commit you're changes and then I can merge, review, and then upload
[02:38] <alkisg> It took me about 1 year to find the "courage" to upload my code to my launchpad branch, because I didn't want it to show up in the history incomplete! :D
[02:38] <LaserJock> s/I/stgraber/ most likely
[02:39] <LaserJock> heh
[02:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: I'd sure like to see more of you're scripts making it into Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[02:40] <LaserJock> *your
[02:41] <alkisg> I'd love to, but right know they're pretty focused to how we setup labs here in Greece. This year I'm going to develop a series of script and another 100-page manual for standalone lab setups, and from the next year I'd like to try to put as much of those as I can upstream...
[02:41] <alkisg> *now
[02:42] <alkisg> ...so, a libpam-sshfs for authenticating students + mounting their homes (instead of ldap/nfs), and a users-manager with lots of administrative functions...
[02:43] <balsaqgoingforit> slightly off topic question here buy buntu for sure?
[02:44] <balsaqgoingforit> but* not buy
[02:44] <balsaqgoingforit> ok?
[02:44] <alkisg> Shoot :)
[02:44] <alkisg> LaserJock, anyway, about the shutdown thing... it's used in the italc code, and now it calls gdm-signal -h, which isn't installed and even if one installs it, it doesn't work...
[02:45] <alkisg> So any other ways to do it would be appreciated :)
[02:45] <balsaqgoingforit> running ubuntu 904, put xubuntu in cd tray fro fun, turn it on , ran for a bit now have icon on desk and a windoew which says "a volume with software has been detected" cancel or start pkg manager
[02:46] <balsaqgoingforit> is it trying to simply run it off live disc or did i do an install...my desk still look like ubuntu904
[02:46] <balsaqgoingforit> dics still in tray as we speak
[02:47] <alkisg> That's an "autorun" feature, to help people install packages from cds
[02:48] <alkisg> You don't want to install anything from there, so you just close it and nothing's changed...
[02:48] <balsaqgoingforit> so i havent installed it yet?
[02:48] <alkisg> Nope, unless you pressed "yes" and selected packages and pressed OK and you saw it install stuff :)
[02:49] <balsaqgoingforit> i wanted 2 parttitions...1. ubuntu with FF     and     2. xubuntu with opera
[02:49] <balsaqgoingforit> ended up with this?
[02:49] <LaserJock> alkisg: the problem is Gnome has really done a poor job of matching features of the "old" GDM with the new one
[02:50] <balsaqgoingforit> the black screens flew by so fast when i planned to partition that i coouldnt even read them
[02:50] <LaserJock> alkisg: so I think almost all the command line utilities (gdmsetup for instance) are gone
[02:50] <alkisg> LaserJock: I think gnome-power-cmd used hal, which is deprecated in karmic, but I don't see any similar calls...
[02:50] <balsaqgoingforit> so all i di was install an installer helper
[02:50] <LaserJock> alkisg: I think hal was replaced with devicekit if I remember right, I could be wrong though
[02:51] <alkisg> LaserJock: (gnome-power-cmd runs fine in Jaunty and does what we want, but I don't see any similar functions in devicekit)
[02:51] <LaserJock> alkisg: so the users won't have sudo access? you couldn't run some sort of gksudo command?
[02:51] <balsaqgoingforit> if i click on the installer manager, whats going to happen
[02:51] <alkisg> We'd have to put them to sudoers, and/or need a password, which invalidates the "remote admin" part of italc
[02:52] <LaserJock> alkisg: could you send me an email detailing the problem? I can send it to ubuntu-devel to get more attention
[02:53] <alkisg> OK, will do.
[02:54] <balsaqgoingforit> can someone assist me with this?
[02:54] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: could you be more specific about what your currect situation is, and what you're trying to accomplish?
[02:56] <balsaqgoingforit> am running ubuntu 904, wanted to have 2 partitions, 1. ubuntu, 2. xubuntu.....put xubuntu in cd tray booted it, now have xubuntu on my ubuntu desktop with a package manager thing asking me if i want to open it with the package manager...am i getting done what i set out o do?
[02:57] <balsaqgoingforit> exteremely new here...5 days old
[02:57] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: run this in a terminal: blkid
[02:57] <balsaqgoingforit> i dont even know what a terminal is sorry
[02:58] <alkisg> Go to the "Applications" menu, then accessories, then terminal
[02:58] <balsaqgoingforit> may i ask why?
[02:58] <alkisg> That will tell us what partitions you already have
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> well all i ever did was wipe out w98 and out in ubuntu so i have 1
[02:59] <alkisg> In the default ubuntu installation, you get 2
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> so 2
[02:59] <alkisg> Well, if you ran this command, we'd be sure...
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> never did anything else wiped out w98 when i did it
[03:00] <balsaqgoingforit> ok here goes
[03:00] <balsaqgoingforit> ill leave this pkg manager twindow in front of me for now
[03:00] <alkisg> OK
[03:01] <balsaqgoingforit> did it
[03:01] <alkisg> Now paste here the output of the command
[03:02] <balsaqgoingforit> on on a diff computer nnow the one we are workin on is not on the internet
[03:03] <alkisg> OK, how many /dev/sdaX did you see there?
[03:03] <balsaqgoingforit> 3 dev things
[03:03] <alkisg> ...and what "System" each one of those were?
[03:03] <alkisg> Linux, swap, and ??
[03:03] <alkisg> extended?
[03:04] <alkisg> (win95 lba or however that is called?)
[03:04] <balsaqgoingforit> sdal uuid, sda5 uuid  loop0 type squashfs
[03:04] <balsaqgoingforit> opps sdal for the 1st one too
[03:04] <alkisg> Here, see mine:
[03:05] <alkisg>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda1               1        5337    42868736+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda2   *        5338        9253    31455270   83  Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda3            9254       13169    31453474+  83  Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda4           13169       30401   138417835+  83  Linux
[03:05] <balsaqgoingforit> yeah 1st time i wrote it right
[03:05] <balsaqgoingforit> so how many partitions
[03:05] <alkisg> I have 4 /dev/sda? partitions, one of them being NTFS, and 3 of them Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> How many do *you* have?
[03:06] <balsaqgoingforit> i 5 lines but only 3 lines have the /dev at the beginning
[03:06] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: anyway, here's what you need to do: you need to *manually* partition your disk
[03:06] <alkisg> You need to create another partition for xubuntu to go there
[03:06] <alkisg> But it's a long story, so it's not easy to do that with someone helping you in irc
[03:07] <balsaqgoingforit> now can i just dump it the whole xubuntu thing
[03:07] <alkisg> So you need to find an article on google and read it, to see how you can manually create a new partition
[03:07] <alkisg> No. You didn't install xubuntu
[03:07] <alkisg> You only have a standard ubuntu installation
[03:07] <balsaqgoingforit> no it was supposed to offer me the partition while in the black screens they told me   now i want to erase xubuntu ok
[03:08] <alkisg> To install 2 operating systems, you need to do some reading about partitionioning
[03:08] <balsaqgoingforit> yeah my error let dump it
[03:08] <balsaqgoingforit> can i dump it
[03:08] <alkisg> Sure you can close it
[03:09] <balsaqgoingforit> want to dump the icon too and not leave any traces in here is that easy too do
[03:09] <alkisg> Just unmount and eject the cd :)
[03:09] <alkisg> You didn't install anything from the xubuntu CD (if I understood correctly what you did)
[03:09] <balsaqgoingforit> wont come out of tray
[03:10] <alkisg> You need to unmount it first
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> maybe cause the pkg manager is waiting for me
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> will hit cancel on pkg manager
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> ?
[03:10] <alkisg> Yeah, close all programs that use it, right click on the cd icon and select unmount
[03:10] <alkisg> Yes, close the pkg manager :)
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> whew gonezo
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> now lets see if i can get the cd out
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> oh byeah yur good
[03:12] <balsaqgoingforit> now did i just put lilexe or dll's in my reg messinround like this?
[03:12] <balsaqgoingforit> just killed w98...want a nice clean buntu here ya know
[03:13] <alkisg> There are no DLLs or registry in Ubuntu. And no, you didn't install anything.
[03:13] <balsaqgoingforit> cool...tried to get a lil fancy fro my level of expertise....i am brand spankin new witht htis stuff
[03:13] <balsaqgoingforit> thank you
[03:14] <alkisg> You're welcome
[03:14] <balsaqgoingforit> was in xubuntu and a guy was telling me how to do it but it didnt play out as he said it would...the black screens never gave me achance to dual partition it just flew by me
[03:15] <balsaqgoingforit> when i killed w98 i saw that oppertunity so i thought i could do it
[03:17] <balsaqgoingforit> thanks again...back to ubuntu
[03:58] <dinda> geez akgraner you're everywhere!  :)
[04:01] <LaserJock> she's evvvvvvvery where .... <spooky ghost music>
[04:01] <LaserJock> alkisg: still around?
[04:03] <dinda> LaserJock: howdy!  i've been sifting through the edubuntu -dev list archive trying to see where things are with the project
[04:03]  * LaserJock hides
[04:04] <alkisg> LaserJock: pong
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: I got a little confused, is this on an LTSP setup?
[04:05] <alkisg> The italc thing? No, it's for standalone pcs
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: i.e. what exactly are you shutting down with iTalic
[04:05] <alkisg> A remote standalone pc
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: OK good, my understanding of LTSP is restored :-)
[04:05] <alkisg> Heh :)
[04:06] <alkisg> To make this simpler: how can I shutdown my own pc from a script?
[04:06] <alkisg> (without sudo etc). ^^^ that also answers the italc question...
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:07] <balsaq> question about the apllication open office word processor anyone here using itoften?
[06:08] <balsaq> specifically about saving a file
[06:11] <balsaq> when i finished writing the word file it quickly did something like it was saving it for me...before i chose to name it (prefer to save as) and before i chose where i wanted to put it. in the end i did name it abd saved it to my desktop....but am wondering now if is saved twice and if so where it is becasue i dont want it in here twice?
[08:08] <Balsaq> !word
[12:21] <alkisg> ogra, (thanks!) pinging you becase LaserJock's not around, what do we do with the (now unsupported) Gutsy ltsp-related bugs? I'm thinking to ask the reporters if the bug still exists for them, and close them if there's no reply in 2 weeks... Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/243522 (of course I'll keep the ones that I know are still valid, e.g. #159526)
[15:21] <Ahmuck_Sr> http://pastebin.be/21162
[15:31] <ogra> alkisg1, feel free to close all bugs that are for unsupported releases with a note that they are EOL ...
[21:47] <Yan> Hi!
[21:47] <Yan> anyone here?
[21:51] <Yan> any developers here?
[21:58] <alkisg> ace_suares, hi, what's the meeting time on Friday?