[00:30] <Gumby> does anyone here know where the 'empathy' IM client goes when minimized?
[00:30] <RAOF> To the notification applet.
[00:32] <test34> mine stays in the task bar
[00:35] <test34> if I close it it doesnt go in the notification applet, and I don't know how to bring it back (the process is still running)
[00:36] <Gumby> hrm, mine doesnt go to the notification applet and it does not go to the taskbar either.  I have to go to the applications menu and reopen empathy.  It just brings the previously opened session up, but other than that, there is no way of getting it back that I can see
[00:42] <XDevHald> Is it possible to downgrade Nautilus?
[00:46] <itsjareds> XDevHald: Why? If you absolutely must downgrade, you can install nautilus from source. I don't see a reason to as this may cause problems
[00:47] <XDevHald> It's not for me, it's for a member on the forum with 9.04
[00:49] <itsjareds> Well you could try installing an older version of nautilus from source
[00:50] <iflema> can ya not use alt e.g thunar or dolphin
[00:51] <Dai> he said downgrade, not "replace with an entirely unsuitable alternative" :)
[00:51] <iflema> wooo
[00:51] <Dai> though to be fair, thunar is mostly suitable as an alternative.
[00:52] <iflema> eye of the beholder
[01:04] <NoCode> Has the intel HDA sound issues been fixed yet?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: works here just fine
[01:12] <NoCode> I tried karmic a while ago, the volume kept on messing right up. Especially the volume keys on my laptop and sound applet. The sound would increase very loudly with the slightest adjustment.
[01:12] <NoCode> Not sure if it's still doing it
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> try a live cd or usb install to test
[01:14] <Tronic> At least on HP laptops the volume keys are very bad in Ubuntu.
[01:14] <itsjareds> Does anyone know how to install AWN on Karmic?
[01:14] <NoCode> Yeah, I'm going to get the latest alpha, and do a LiveUSB install
[01:15] <Tronic> It doesn't help that the buttons on the hardware suck, but once they finally react to your presses, the adjustment is extremely rapid.
[01:15] <Tronic> And laggy, so Ubuntu keeps flashing that volume bar for a while after you release the button.
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> itsjareds: sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator
[01:15] <Tronic> Not sure if this is already fixed in Karmic, haven't used the buttons for a while.
[01:15] <iflema> karmic beta in couple of days
[01:15] <iflema> peoples
[01:16] <Tronic> Another volume control issue is that the mute button does not actually mute the device, but apparently just powers off its opamps.
[01:16] <itsjareds> ActionParsnip: Oh! Heh, I tried all the other combinations except for avant-window-manager
[01:16] <itsjareds> thanks
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> itsjareds: apt-cache search avant   would show it
[01:17] <itsjareds> Yeah i didn't know the full name was avant, I searched for awn
[01:17] <Tronic> The result: the sound stops only a little while after the mute is activated and it goes very distorted before fading out.
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> itsjareds: suprised it didnt show
[01:27] <Voss> So when are we gonna see a beta?
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> !releaseschedule
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[01:28] <Voss> !releaseschedule
[01:33] <Lars_G> One month to go, do you think it's time enough?
[01:33] <Lars_G> to fix it all?
[01:33] <aboSamoor> any help with slow booting 60+ seconds !
[01:33] <aboSamoor> ?
[01:33] <Lars_G> I still have so many power troubles :( I wonder if I should dig deeper and report
[01:33] <Ravenkin> So did the update today nuke anyone's install besides mine?  Apparently everything in my boot folder is gone, can anyone help me with that?
[01:33] <Lars_G> Ravenkin: mione's still there
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> Ravenkin: sudo update-grub
[01:35] <Ravenkin> Well there is nothing in my boot folder, and I have an encrypted drive and can't get to my stuff.  It starts to boot up and after it prompts for the encryption password scrolls passed some stuff and then just sits there doing nothing, any help?
[01:35] <Lars_G> But now when I start, gnome (netbook remix) hangs up while starting
[01:35] <Lars_G> so I need to restar gdm and relogin
[01:39] <hardyl> I have 1,000 files in Rhythmbox assessed and many radio stations adopted  - and now I can't transfer my settings to another account - I'm desperate
[01:41] <hardyl> just copy /home/USER/.gnome2/rhythmbox don't do it
[01:42] <pwnguin> lemme check my bash history
[01:43] <pwnguin> hardyl: its .local/share/rhythmbox
[01:43] <hardyl> Itry ... thnks
[01:43] <hardyl>  I'll try ... thanks
[01:48] <hardyl> pwnguin: did it ... it work's ... you win a free download of ubuntu karmic :))
[01:49] <pwnguin> i'd rather have a free download of banshee trunk for karmic ;)
[01:50] <pwnguin> say what you will about mono, but at least banshee downloads my podcasts
[01:50] <hardyl> I have no idea what a "banshee trunk" is ... sounds funny
[01:51] <hardyl> URL?
[01:52] <pwnguin> banshee is like rhythmbox
[01:52] <pwnguin> "trunk" is jargon meaning the latest development snapshot of the sourcecode
[01:52] <hardyl> k
[01:53] <pwnguin> 1.4 is packaged in ubuntu already, but the 1.5 branch has a rhythmbox importer
[01:53] <hardyl> I'll have a eye on it
 banshee hav a lot dependencys ... so far I'll keep the standard apps ... I try bunshee after the release
[02:02] <hardyl> bunshee > banshee
[02:03] <pwnguin> yea
[02:03] <pwnguin> mono is big
[02:04] <hardyl> may the power with mono
[02:04] <hardyl> ;)
[02:04] <Lars_G> uh uh UH AH AH AH AH AH UH!!!!
[02:04]  * Lars_G smears a banana in the wall
[02:05] <hardyl> :-x
[02:07] <Lars_G> btw those are monkey onnomatopoeia in spanish, IDK the ones you use in the us
[02:08] <Nitsuga> eek!
[02:10] <Ravenkin> I'm getting failed to fetch when I do a sudo apt-get can anyone help
[02:12] <Lars_G> updated the repos?
[02:18] <virtuald> did apt recently get a lot faster?
[02:19] <XDevHald> virtuald: I have noticed myself that it pulls 2mbps on downloading.
[02:20] <XDevHald> I average 800kbps on my download.
[02:45] <lubosz> maybe the repos are waiting for some more karmic users to get slower ^^
[02:48] <test34> Anyone else have this problem with empathy where it doesn't show up in the Notification Area ?
[02:51] <XDevHald> test34: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/434121
[02:53] <test34> XDevHald,it says that the status of this bug was changed to invalid.. that doesn't seem right
[02:55] <XDevHald> test34: If you uncheck "Use message indicators" in the notification tab in preferences, it will display the icon.
[02:56] <XDevHald> This message was proposed to the bug reporter by Ken VanDine who issued the option.
[02:56] <XDevHald> Right-click on the notification area, then goto Preferences, you will see the Use Message Indicators
[02:56] <S33K3R> i'm using a 4mbps DSL connection. can anyone please tell me how i can tweak my karmic to maximise my connection?
[02:57] <XDevHald> test34: My apologies, this will be done in Empathy
[02:58] <test34> XDevHald, yes that fixed it but I just don't see why that show/hide the icon
[02:58] <test34> ok
[02:58] <XDevHald> So this did fix the issue with the icon showing?
[02:58] <XDevHald> *Not
[02:59] <test34> yes it did show the icon, but I dont know why the icon has anything to do with that checkbox
[02:59] <test34> "Use message indicators"
[03:00] <XDevHald> This relates to the script notifying the application to send it self to the notification area.
[03:00] <test34> not very clear
[03:00] <luckyone> hello all - any ideas why xsplash is taking 100% of cpu on boot?
[03:01] <test34> I understand what you said, but the default should probably show it in the notificationa area (and the checkbox should probably say something idfferent)
[03:01] <S33K3R> anyone please?
[03:01] <luckyone> it seeems to just sit there, hung
[03:01] <XDevHald> test34: Agreed, but this is how the development has been published.
[03:02] <XDevHald> For further support on this you can see: #ubuntu-bugs
[03:02] <XDevHald> They will assist you on the issue with this confusion.
[03:02] <test34> thanks XDevHald
[03:02] <XDevHald> You are very welcome test34
[03:16] <bjsnider> S33K3R, no tweaking necessary
[03:16] <luckyone> is acpi being deprecated in karmic?
[03:17] <luckyone> something is telling my netbook to suspend when ac_adapter.present toggles
[03:31] <barberio> Hi. Anyone awake, and able to help with NetworkManager issues?
[03:31] <iflema> issue?
[03:32] <barberio> Keeps clobbering /etc/network/interfaces set ifconfigs to deconfigure the interfaces.
[03:33] <barberio> Attempts to set up NetworkManager aren't working, as any time I edit an interface in it, all my changes are reset to the defaults.
[03:33] <luckyone> barberio: I was having that issue last night
[03:33] <barberio> How did you resolve it?
[03:33] <luckyone> not sure that I did
[03:33] <luckyone> I was trying to hardcode an IP address so I could reconfigure my router
[03:34] <iflema> barberio: setup how?
[03:34] <luckyone> ended up having to use my work laptop
[03:34] <barberio> iflema: This box needs a static IP, and is to use it's own DNS.
[03:35] <luckyone> barberio: Yeah, I couldn't set a static IP last night
[03:35] <luckyone> it would crash NetworkManager, then when I would re-open, changes were gone
[03:36] <barberio> Network Manager seems to be a world of hurt if you don't want to use dchp. There needs to be a much easier path to remove it, and go back to hand written configuration for networking interfaces.
[03:36] <barberio> I can't seem to do that anymore!
[03:36] <luckyone> does it overwrite changes to /etc/network/interfaces when you make them manually?
[03:37] <barberio> No. It just deconfigures the interface.
[03:37] <luckyone> snap-foo
[03:37] <luckyone> well beta is out in two days :)
[03:38] <barberio> How do I disable NetworkManager, and prevent anything else from re-enabling it?
[03:39] <barberio> It seems to be a upstart managed thing now... but there's no apparent exposed management of that.
[03:42] <XDevHald> barberio: System > Administration > Startup Applications > Select the network manager and delete it from the startup. This is one way of doing it.
[03:42] <iflema> barberio: do you try to edit the dhcp (auto whatever) or do u delete and start fresh?
[03:43] <barberio> I've tried editing it, I've tried deleting it from fresh, I've even apt-get purged it and deleted the config directories in the user dir and /etc/
[03:44] <iflema> while editing at the network man gui.... do you add mac address
[03:44] <barberio> Tried that. Still doesn't work.
[03:44] <iflema> alpha6?
[03:45] <barberio> Did an apt-get update recently.
[03:45] <iflema> k
[03:47] <RAOF> I actually found setting a static IP in network manager quite easy; what' sfailing for you?
[03:47] <iflema> HER HER
[03:47] <iflema> E E
[03:47] <iflema> M
[03:47] <iflema> WORKS WELL
[03:47] <iflema> lo
[03:48] <iflema> l
[03:48] <barberio> Raof: It doesn't save the changes to it's config files.
[03:48] <RAOF> Hm.
[03:48] <iflema> gui format a little odd but does function
[03:49] <RAOF> Well, I haven't tried it in the last couple of weeks, and there have obviously been some changes to network-manager.  Presumably there's a bug to be filed.
[03:50] <RAOF> But when I did try it, it was as easy as "edit the connection, change DHCP to static, add all the info, save"
[03:50] <barberio> And *something* has aptitude convinced it has to install network-manager.
[03:50] <iflema> things that make ya go hmm
[03:51] <RAOF> "aptitude why" suggests that ubuntu-desktop Recommends: network-manager-gnome, which depends on network-manager; you should be able to remove it if you really want to.
[03:55] <barberio> Actually, my local aptitude's dependancies cache was screwed up.
[03:55] <barberio> I just cleared a little loop.
[03:55] <barberio> It was installing network-manager to satisfy a dependancy needed by network-manager.
[03:57] <barberio> Now to reboot it just to test that it's truly pulled out all trace of NM, and left me with hand written network confs
[03:58] <barberio> We still need the equivalent of a 'big red button' to push to tell NM that it does not manage this or that interface.
[03:59] <RAOF> barberio: It (should) have one already; anything you manually configure in interfaces.
[03:59] <barberio> Apparently not.
[03:59] <RAOF> If that's not working, there's another bug to file :)
[04:00] <RAOF> Welcome to the alpha :)
[04:00] <iflema> :)
[04:01] <barberio> Everything else has been working fine for me... except for Network Manager...
[04:03] <barberio> 620 bugs filed against NM... Do I really feel up to checking each of those to see if it's a duplicate issue...
[04:06] <nick125> Hrm...just curious, has the new GDM theme been implemented?
[04:09] <barberio> Yes. Just saw it.
[04:10] <nick125> Hmm. It's still not showing up for me :(
[04:11] <barberio> It's now brown.
[04:12] <iflema> lol
[04:12] <BluesKaj> brown and orange cartoons :)
[04:12] <nick125> It looks like plain GTK to me
[04:12] <BluesKaj> couldn't resist
[04:13] <BluesKaj> anyway , nite folks , sacktime here
[05:01] <DanaG> grr, every time I try to alt-f2 to open something that's on my ntfs partition, I get:
[05:01] <DanaG> bash: Documents/bioengineering.doc: cannot execute binary file
[05:07] <abarbaccia> hey my volume applet disappeared recently from the tray. is this a known bug / how can i restore?
[05:08] <abarbaccia> sorry, that sounded like a newb question - it's not in the applet list which is why i cannot add  it back
[05:13] <luckyone> I find it strange that nfs-common doesn't come included with ubuntu
[05:14] <luckyone> is nfs not the standard way to share files on linux systems, is it not the best?
[05:15] <abarbaccia> luckyone: there are several different ways and from my understanding, when you go to "share" it lets you choose which option and ensures the proper packages get installed.
[05:15] <abarbaccia> better question for #ubuntu as this is mainly for dev
[05:16] <luckyone> abarbaccia: hmmm... I am talking more from the consumer of a network share
[05:17] <abarbaccia> luckyone: true, dunno about that one
[05:17] <luckyone> abarbaccia: for instance, the ability to browse samba shares is built in, but mounting an nfs share requires an apt-get install of nfs-common
[05:18] <luckyone> good night all
[05:49] <mjbrooks> especially quiet in here tonight
[05:54] <wahnfrieden> what this?
[05:57] <wahnfrieden> thank
[05:58] <bullgard4> How to persuade Karmic to print on virtual console #1 more startup messages than by default?
[06:05] <sageNsand> Using Empathy in a IRC chat room for a while the scroll bar gets relative short. I notice the chat room screen stops rolling upward and the scroll bar starts to creep upward and that means I can't see the most recent text posted in the room, I have to keep dragging it down to see the new posts. I can select clear from the menu but in a short time it starts creeping up again. This also happened with Pidgin in my 9.04 box. Has anyone experienced
[06:53] <DKcross> hello people
[06:53] <DKcross> any idea about the problem with notes
[06:53] <DKcross> ?
[06:53] <Adapter> hi @ all
[06:54] <DKcross> stickynotes
[07:15] <kielanmatt> hi
[07:15] <kielanmatt> why didnt my kernel upgrade from 27 to 31
[07:21] <nhasian> kielanmatt, did you do a dist-upgrade?
[07:22] <iflema> DKcross: no big deal.... tis an alpha
[07:25] <eagles0513875> !php
[07:25] <eagles0513875> !info php
[07:25] <popey> !info php5
[07:26] <eagles0513875> popey: is the suhosin security package included as a dependency now for php on kubuntu
[07:26] <vega> i just run an upgrade and updated packages were: libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 network-manager tasksel tasksel-data. Now it says i need to reboot, exactly which one of those requires a reboot and why??
[07:27] <popey> !info php5-suhosin
[07:27] <voidmage> vega: probably network-manager to make sure it's restarted
[07:27] <eagles0513875> popey: i dont think thats right
[07:27] <voidmage> I noticed the new human and human-clearlooks themes replaced the window icon with a generic menu button. How can I get the window icon back?
[07:27] <popey> eagles0513875: you don't think what is right?
[07:27] <eagles0513875> voidmage: there is an update for it today btw for nm
[07:27] <vega> voidmage: "make sure", it cannot be restarted without a reboot .. ?
[07:27] <eagles0513875> popey: that its optional
[07:28] <vega> this starts to resemble windows more and more..
[07:28] <popey> eagles0513875: surely that answers your question then?
[07:28] <vega> "boot just in case"
[07:28] <eagles0513875> nm popeyits suggested
[07:28] <eagles0513875> vega: not sure if he means to restart the network via script /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:29] <popey> it doesnt mean anything other than what it says, restart the machine
[07:29] <kielanmatt> what if i have old grub?
[07:29] <popey> and it would be sudo service NetworkManager restart
[07:29] <popey> kielanmatt: upgrade it?
[07:29] <kielanmatt> mkayy
[07:30] <kielanmatt> whre is the grub file
[07:30] <kielanmatt> sorry for asking
[07:30] <popey> what do you mean "grub file"?
[07:30] <kielanmatt> menu.lst or something
[07:31] <popey>  /boot/grub
[07:31] <kielanmatt> thx
[07:31] <kielanmatt> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=f16668c5-69ff-4367-87c5-c4cca0aa1c0d ro quiet splash vga=795
[07:31] <kielanmatt> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
[07:31] <kielanmatt> do i just change the numbers to 31-11
[07:32] <popey> no
[07:32] <nhasian> whoops that would be a problem
[07:32] <popey> don't edit that directly, what happens if you run sudo update-grub  ?
[07:32] <nhasian> if you already have downloaded the newer kernel, type "sudo update-grub"
[07:33] <kielanmatt> thx
[07:33] <vega> well if it says "need to restart, do it now or later" i think it's quite clear
[07:33] <kielanmatt> forgot about hta
[07:33] <vega> but anyway, i think it's not necessary, there seems to be more and more booting nowadays
[07:34] <nhasian> this may be a silly question, but is there not a way to change the sound effects?  (via a gui i mean) Like startup, shutdown, messages, etc
[07:35] <vega> nhasian: system -> preferences -> sound ?
[07:35] <nhasian> vega, thats where i first looked but I dont see any way of changing sound effects.
[07:35] <vega> hm, only seems to be on/off type selection
[07:36] <vega> well, who wants those sounds anyway :)
[07:36] <nhasian> vega, the main reason is because empathy which is the default IM client now will not playback any sound effects unless they are selected in gnome-sounds
[07:36] <nhasian> and since gnome-sounds doesnt have a section for empathy sounds, the upshot is that empathy is dead silent.
[07:37] <vega> sounds like a bug
[07:37] <nhasian> I get no audible notification when an instant message arrives, or a file transfer waiting, or a video conference attempt
[07:37] <nhasian> its not a bug with empathy.  its a bug with gnome-sounds
[07:38] <vega> perhaps this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubuntu-sounds/+bug/400485 ?
[07:38] <oldude67> i wonder why with lxde desktop i have to always reload alsa to get my sound working after a reboot?
[07:38] <nhasian> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/400485
[07:38] <nhasian> oops you beat me to it
[07:39] <vega> :) importance "low" seems a bit underestimated..
[07:40] <nhasian> holy crap as of yesterday no work is done on it?
[07:41] <nhasian> i dont care how polished and feature rich empathy is, without sound notifications it is useless to me
[07:43] <nhasian> who do I need to talk to to get the ball rolling on getting sound effects for empathy in gnome-sounds?
[07:47] <iflema> poor pidgin
[07:53] <nhasian> I guess i need to talk to whoever is in charge of the default Ubuntu Sound Theme
[08:35] <darthtuv0k> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7857305
[08:36] <darthtuv0k> sudo modprobe w83627ehf force_id=0x8860
[08:36] <darthtuv0k> FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.31-6-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): Device or resource busy
[08:36] <darthtuv0k> This does not work on 9.10
[08:37] <voidmage> Is anyone else having trouble getting snd-hda-intel ICH9 to work?
[09:17] <aprilhare> hey
[09:17] <aprilhare> has anyone tried their webcam and found it no longer works?
[09:18] <aprilhare> i previously used the 2.6.31 kernel with jaunty and it worked - but under karmic i get this weird distorted useless video from my webcam
[09:20] <aprilhare> this is using the cheese application
[09:23] <dns53> has anyone got a fix for the network manger dns problems?
[09:25] <sageNsand> Using Empathy in a IRC chat room for a while the scroll bar gets relative short. I notice the chat room screen stops rolling upward and the scroll bar starts to creep upward and that means I can't see the most recent text posted in the room, I have to keep dragging it down to see the new posts. I can select clear from the menu but in a short time it starts creeping up again. This also happened with Pidgin in my 9.04 box. Has anyone exp
[09:25] <sageNsand> erienced the same?
[09:26] <eagles0513875> dns53: wired or wifi
[09:27] <dns53> 3g,  i was at work connected to wired, i suspended and connected my 3g and no dns server is configured
[09:27] <eagles0513875> dns53: im no help there thought it was on a laptop or something
[09:28] <eagles0513875> after todays update wired and wifi work fine in regards to dns and everything
[09:31] <dns53> keep the ip of opendns's servers in a text file
[09:32] <eagles0513875> to be honest never worked with opendns i use my isp dns
[09:32] <aprilhare> gfloppy is missing from karmic? hmmm
[09:35] <eagles0513875> !info gfloppy
[09:35] <eagles0513875> !gfloppy
[09:35] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: guess it has been removed :(
[09:35] <CyberZet> :)
[09:35] <aprilhare> gnome-utils offers it
[09:36] <aprilhare> but... it's already installed...
[09:36] <CyberZet> GFloppy is part of Gnome
[09:36] <aprilhare> gnome-utils is part of gnome
[09:36] <CyberZet> yea :)
[09:36] <aprilhare> reinstalled. still no gfloppy
[09:37] <CyberZet> People are still using Floppys in the 21st century?
[09:37] <CyberZet> amazing!
[09:51] <aprilhare> gnome-utils is missing lots of stuff. its size has gone down from 4.7 MB in 2.26.0-0ubuntu1_amd64 to 835.3 kB in 2.28.0-0ubuntu1_amd64
[09:52] <aprilhare> not just gfloppy methinks.
[09:54] <dns53> maybe
[09:55] <aprilhare> check it out for yourself dns53
[09:56] <dns53> what tools are in there, i don't remember needing it
[09:56] <aprilhare> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/amd64/gnome-utils/2.28.0-0ubuntu1
[10:07] <bullgard4> How can I get more startup message output on my virtual console #1 when booting?”
[10:07] <bullgard4> I swiched the splash screen off, of course.
[10:09] <AnAnt> anyone knows how I can take a screenshot of xsplash ?
[10:09] <dns53> in the kernel line in grub/lilo you get rid of quiet
[10:09] <AnAnt> sudo fbgrab -c 7 /tmp/g.png , but that didn't work
[10:11] <dns53> AnAnt run ubuntu in a virtual machine?
[10:25] <floating> how many hours til beta release
[10:30] <robin0800> floating: 24+
[10:32] <joaopinto> floating, if you are impatient just download and test the beta iso
[10:35] <robin0800> joaopinto: not sure you can get a beta iso yet?
[10:35] <joaopinto> yes you can, for testing, if critical problems are found it will is the final beta iso yet
[10:36] <joaopinto> robin0800, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[10:36] <robin0800> joaopinto: link?
[10:36] <joaopinto> ...wil not be...
[10:38] <Amaranth> don't give that out to everyone...
[10:38] <Amaranth> Most people aren't interested in helping to test the beta, they just want shiny
[10:40] <joaopinto> Amaranth, well, the description is clear, if people choose to ignore it that's another issue :)
[10:40] <Amaranth> ...
[10:40] <eagles0513875> betas out tomorrow isnt it :)
[10:40] <eagles0513875> !info flea
[10:40] <eagles0513875> !flea
[10:40] <floating> :>
[10:40] <Amaranth> joaopinto: And if those people kill the server and the release is delayed because it can't get testing?
[10:40] <joaopinto> there was a call for iso testing, there aren't that much results
[10:41] <joaopinto> Amaranth, if that is the case, there was a fundamental infrastructure error, it's preferable to have a delayed tested release, to an untested one because there was no infrastructure available
[10:42] <joaopinto> Amaranth, there was a public call for iso testing on planet ubuntu in case you didn't see it
[10:42] <joaopinto> I mean, fundamental infrastructure planning error
[10:43] <joaopinto> anyway I was not advocating to advertise the isos, just suggesting that it could and should be tested :)
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[10:45] <joaopinto> hi ActionParsnip1
[10:46] <floating> i can't wait for the lubuntu, I wonder if it is possible to choose the desktop environment during the installation, and then just manualla remove/install apps ?
[10:46] <floating> like install that beta tomorrow with lxde somehow ?
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> floating: there is a Lubuntu testing ISO if yuo wish
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> there are bugs with the installer
[10:47] <floating> oh
[10:47] <floating> I know about one testing iso which is only a live cd where the installer doesnt work
[10:48] <floating> and someone on the lubuntu room said that the installer is not really implemented
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> floating: http://download.lxde.org/lubuntu-9.10/
[10:48] <floating> yeah, those are not installable
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> floating: true but its very good with RAM so the livecd runs quite hansomly
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> floating: you can use tools to put the ISO on a USB ;)
[10:49] <eagles0513875> !usb | floating
[10:50] <floating> ok,tx, i might try..
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> does anyone know the alternative to keyserver.ubuntu.com please
[11:00] <TheInfinity> ActionParsnip1: any keyserver you want
[11:00] <TheInfinity> they are all synced
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> sweet
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> thanks, used pool.sks-keyservers.net
[11:03] <ActionParsnip1> they should just change keyserver.ubuntu.com into a load balancing server for the other key servers, makes sense
[11:04] <eagles0513875> ya took ages to upload my key till i did it by using a txt file which i then uploaded to the  server via website ActionParsnip1
[11:04] <xguru> is everything on par for the beta version tomorrow?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip1> xguru: been 100% fine here since alpha 2
[11:05] <xguru> yea iv been alright... minor stuff like cups hanging and upgrade uninstalled users and groups...  but i think the release is due out tomorrow
[11:06] <xguru> kinda wondering what will be in the beta that isn't in alpha 6
[11:06] <joaopinto> xguru, if you have alpha+updates enabled, nothing new
[11:07] <joaopinto> and it should be mostly bugfixes and final artwork
[11:08] <xguru> pre-releases is checked, but i don't see anything to check for "alpha-updates"
[11:09] <eagles0513875> xguru: there is pre released and im guessing it would be unsupported updates as well that u would need to check
[11:10] <xguru> i should be good then, thanks
[11:12] <Adapter> !universe
[11:12] <joaopinto> xguru, if you are running alpha, regular updates are alpha-updates :)
[11:13] <xguru> make sense...
[11:25] <ripps> wth, the replace epiphany with epiphany-webkit, and now that it's broken, it won't allow me to install epiphany-gecko.
[11:56] <virtuald> can i move the notification bubbles?
[11:56] <virtuald> it feels too low on the screen, i want it one bubbles height higher up
[12:20] <vigo> What is the recommended or suggested GUI firewall front end for IP tables? I am on Edbuntu Karmic (sorta) and Gaurddog was suggested, but I cannot get it to function?
[12:33] <vigo> Is Gaurddog still supported?
[12:35] <joaopinto> vigo, there is no official gui as far as i know, try gufw
[12:35] <iflema> pretty sure guarddogs a kde kinda thing
[12:35] <amortvigil> I FOUND A WAY FOR KARMIC TO BOOT ON A MACBOOK
[12:36] <iflema> !firestarter
[12:37] <xguru> amortvigil: how?
[12:37] <vigo> joaopinto: Thank you, have GUFW  so I will just purge/remove Gaurddog.
[12:37] <amortvigil> xguru, i made an grub.efi image in the efi partition
[12:37] <xguru> ahh..
[12:38] <xguru> i gotta go to class right now, but i hope to catch up with ya later
[12:38] <janc_neo> yay, karmic daily put on an USB stick boots on this old NeoWare thin client  :P
[12:38] <vigo> That is neato, cup of Ubuntu for amortvigil.
[12:38] <xguru> :)
[12:38] <amortvigil> thanx i may start a forum topic on what i did :)
[12:39] <vigo> And a cup for janc_neo. wheee
[12:39] <joaopinto> hum, sox is not installable
[12:40] <vigo> amortvigil: I am certain that would or could be a great help and such for many others, I thank you.
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> sox installs here.
[12:40] <vigo> sox?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> !info sox
[12:41] <vigo> oh yeah, that one, I like playing with that one.
[12:43] <vigo> So I will ditch Guard Dog now,then re-read the GUFW man.
[12:43] <vigo> I thank you kindly.
[12:53] <bullgard4> How can I determine what driver drives my wireless LAN card? See http://pastebin.ca/1585848
[12:57] <vega-> dmesg | grep eth1 might reveal something
[12:59] <Pici`> bullgard4: as will sudo lshw, in the configuration line it shows the driver
[13:08] <larsemil> is bash completion broken for apt-get ?
[13:11] <bullgard4> vega-: '~$ ~$ dmesg | grep eth1' does not produce any output.
[13:13] <joaopinto> flash plays sounds nice, other apps will hang or crash, any ideas ?
[13:15] <amortvigil> is vigo gone :(
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> larsemil:  it works here.
[13:16] <larsemil> Dr_Willis: strange
[13:16] <amortvigil> hi foAD
[13:21] <bullgard4> Pici: Where do you find the name of the driver in http://pastebin.ca/1585891?
[13:24] <sindhudweep> I can't seem to get pbuilder to build a package that I obtained via apt-get source. Could someone give me a hand?
[13:26] <sindhudweep> http://pastebin.com/d4ec46bb6
[13:33] <slacker_nl> anybody having troubles connecting to the ubuntu keyserver?
[13:34] <slacker_nl> can't upload my key..
[13:34] <Pici> bullgard4: Line 12: driver=ath_pci
[13:35] <slacker_nl> sindhudweep: /home/sreyan/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[13:35] <slacker_nl> think that is an issue
[13:36] <sindhudweep> hmm
[13:36] <sindhudweep> any notes on where i can find an example .pbuilderrc?
[13:36] <slacker_nl> sindhudweep: http://pb.opperschaap.net/50
[13:36] <joaopinto> any ideas how installing the flash player package would disable sound for other apps ?
[13:36] <slacker_nl> sindhudweep: there are some nice vids from dholbach on videos.u.c about packaging
[13:37] <sindhudweep> thanks slacker_nl.
[13:37] <slacker_nl> sindhudweep: np
[13:42] <joaopinto> uff, no idea how whyt it happend, but is fixed
[13:42] <joaopinto> had to reset my .pulse dir
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Good Day folks
[13:42] <joaopinto> something must have musted the sound for other apps in the pulse config
[13:42] <joaopinto> muted
[13:44] <joaopinto> grrr, now there is no mixer, and the volume keys don't work
[13:46] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, try purging pulseaudio and reinstalling
[13:47] <joaopinto> there is something wrong, o have no sound on nonflash again
[13:47] <BluesKaj> reboot in between
[13:47] <joaopinto> the flash plugin is changing the pulseaudio config somehow
[13:48] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, will try
[13:48] <BluesKaj> audio isn't enabled in your browser falshplugin
[13:49] <joaopinto> audio does play on flash, but on nothing else
[13:49] <joaopinto> breb, purged and reinstalled PA
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no joaopinto , reinstall after boot up
[13:51] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: running kde or gnome?
[13:54] <joaopinto> ok, i have sound now
[13:54] <joaopinto> let's try flash
[13:55] <joaopinto> everything seems fine now
[13:55] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, I think it just needed to re-activate the kernel module.
[13:55] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, what triggered the problem ?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> uhmm. so called updates , maybe
[13:56] <joaopinto> they should take care of config changes, if that was required
[13:56] <BluesKaj> there seems to be quite a few botched kernel module updates lately
[13:57] <joaopinto> ok :|
[13:58] <BluesKaj> but that's whay we're here I guess , to help find the bugs :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> why
[13:58] <joaopinto> :)
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> I got a cricket chirpping in my room. behind a dresser....
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> loud thing...
[13:59] <amortvigil> is gpg working there?
[13:59] <amortvigil> i get keyserver errors
[14:04] <kaddi> !upgrade
[14:06] <slacker_nl> amortvigil: had the same issue seconds ago
[14:06] <slacker_nl> amortvigil: but it worked for me a couple of secs ago
[14:06] <slacker_nl> amortvigil: keep trying ;)
[14:08] <kaddi> is there a reason against modifying the sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade for upgrade to karmic?
[14:09] <hifi> some packages are removed or replaced which is not handled correctly with apt-get nor aptitude
[14:09] <hifi> use do-system-upgrade as it's there for a reason
[14:09] <hifi> sorry, do-release-upgrade
[14:10] <kaddi> ok, the upgrade-instructions only mention upgrading through adept-manager. which for me is neither displaying fetch updates nor version upgrade. :p I'll try do-release-upgrade then. :)
[14:12] <amortvigil> slacker_nl, bij mij ook :P, same here
[14:12] <slacker_nl> amortvigil: hehe, ok dan
[14:13] <amortvigil> slacker_nl, whoops this is not the native channel language lol :P
[14:13] <hifi> kaddi: also you need to use -d switch for it to upgrade before actual release
[14:13] <amortvigil> why aint you in the dutch channle slacker_nl?
[14:13] <slacker_nl> amortvigil: uhm...
[14:13] <slacker_nl> ;)
[14:13] <kaddi> thanks ;)
[14:14] <BluesKaj> what about dist-upgrade?
[14:14] <kaddi> BluesKaj: you're asking me?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> no it's rhetorical .. a suggestion
[14:16] <aprilhare> whats wrong with asking in a non-native channel when you can speak the language?
[14:16] <aprilhare> you get more opinions then, ask away :)
[14:17] <kaddi> hehe. :p hifi said some packages would not be updated properly. And do-release-upgrade saves me from actually looking up the sources and check if all of them are the same in karmic then they were in jaunty
[14:17] <joaopinto> aprilhare, the other people don't unsterstand you, and that is rude
[14:17] <dschulz> hi all
[14:17] <joaopinto> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade manages new/remove packages
[14:17] <aprilhare> joaopinto: i said if you can speak the language, i assume this means to the level where you can make yourself understood
[14:18] <dschulz> this is kde specific, but i'll try anyway
[14:18] <dschulz> anyone noticed weird font rendering in kdm running karmic?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> aprilhare, it's just courtesy to ask in the language of the channel so others can benefit from the questions and answers
[14:18] <joaopinto> aprilhare, what about the other people which does not know the language ?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, then join the chat of that other language
[14:19] <aprilhare> joaopinto: i'm afraid thats life. sometimes people speak a language and sometimes you don't. it's the old tower of babel problem
[14:20] <JanC> aprilhare: I think what he meant to say is "Why aren't you /also/ in the dutch channel"
[14:20] <aprilhare> oh ic
[14:20] <mbeierl> dschulz: gdm here, but I know that there's been some changes in the karmic detection of DPI settings - it's back to 96 dpi and might cause changes in font rendering...
[14:21] <aprilhare> well it's up to him what channels he joins and where he asks his question :) sometimes people who speak multiple languages feel comfortable asking questions in different languages. native is just the first language you speak
[14:21] <aprilhare> you shouldn't be boxed in by what your native language just happened to be
[14:22] <Amaranth> aprilhare: Doesn't change the rules
[14:22] <aprilhare> Amaranth: oooo rules
[14:23] <aprilhare> good think i only speak english :)
[14:23] <aprilhare> heh
[14:23] <aprilhare> thing rather
[14:23] <Amaranth> The main problem is we have no idea what you're saying
[14:23] <mbeierl> and there I thought that was an accent joke ;)
[14:23] <aprilhare> i'd be smothered in rules otherwise
[14:23] <kaddi> you aren't allowed in here unless you're native language is english?
[14:23] <kaddi> what kind of rule is that?
[14:23] <Boohbah> good tings mon
[14:23] <dschulz> mbeierl: thanks, that's enough for me :)
[14:23] <Amaranth> But it may be something offensive and other people in the channel may know what you're saying and be offended
[14:24] <Amaranth> kaddi: The only language for this channel is english
[14:24] <mbeierl> dschulz: np
[14:24] <aprilhare> Amaranth: you run the risk of any language you speak of being rude in it.
[14:24] <Boohbah> Amaranth: is Jamaican English English or a patois?
[14:24] <aprilhare> *including* native language
[14:24] <Boohbah> are irc operators also trained linguists?
[14:24] <Amaranth> Boohbah: slang is not allowed ;)
[14:24] <aprilhare> Boohbah: hell yeah
[14:25] <aprilhare> lol
[14:25] <Amaranth> aprilhare: But if you're offensive in english I can ban you for it
[14:25] <mbeierl> folks, I think was Amaranth was saying is that when other languages are used, the ops can't necessarily monitor
[14:25] <aprilhare> Amaranth: dam i was gunna say 'strike me pink' heheh
[14:25] <joaopinto> there is something that doesn't need rules, it' called education and politeness, conducting a private conversation on a communication channel intentionally created for sharing, is neither educated or polite
[14:25] <Boohbah> mbeierl: that is a valid point
[14:25] <BluesKaj> kaddi, it doesn't matter what your native language is , as long as you speak english in this chat :)
[14:26] <Boohbah> aren't we violating this channel's guidelines with the meta-chat?
[14:26] <mbeierl> technically, yes :)
[14:26] <aprilhare> yay for english! the language of shakespeare and international business and trade!
[14:26] <Amaranth> Boohbah: Yes but in less busy channels it is allowed up to a point
[14:26] <Amaranth> Boohbah: The only channel where that is very strictly enforced is #ubuntu
[14:26] <Boohbah> well, i just tried the daily chromium build for karmic, it's working excellently
[14:26] <Amaranth> indeed
[14:26] <kaddi> BluesKaj Thanks :) I must have misunderstood what Amaranth was saying then. :)
[14:27] <Amaranth> I can't go back to firefox
[14:27] <aprilhare> firefox buggy
[14:27] <aprilhare> can't use search bar in firefox karmic
[14:27] <mbeierl> or you've found something so much better you simply can't go back?
[14:27] <Amaranth> chromium is buggy, firefox is slow :P
[14:27] <aprilhare> firefox fast and buggy imho
[14:28] <BluesKaj> well, I can get by in french and swedish to some degree ,but my swedish spelling awful so i stick to what's more easily understood for me which is english. My original native tongue however is swedish
[14:29] <aprilhare> BluesKaj: is it true that many european countries virtually speak english as the de facto second language? was told this was especially true of belgium
[14:29] <BluesKaj> chromium was ok for a while but began to get really slow after a while
[14:30] <BluesKaj> aprilhare, english is my first language because i understand it best of all ..I gew up in Canada after emigrating as a 4 yr old child :)
[14:31] <aprilhare> BluesKaj: you're lucky :) although canada is a nice place..
[14:31] <BluesKaj> aprilhare, tes to to your question , especially in Scandinavia
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:31] <aprilhare> well then english is virtually your native language anyhow
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:32] <Amaranth> aprilhare: firefox is slow as molasses after using chromium
[14:32] <aprilhare> Amaranth: i just want the firefox bugs fixed
[14:32] <kaddi> it is not particularly true for romanistic countries like France and Spain though.
[14:32] <Amaranth> aprilhare: chromium takes 1 second or so to load, firefox takes several
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, is chromium fixed ?
[14:32] <Amaranth> aprilhare: pages tend to just "pop" on the screen with chromium while you can visibly see them rendering with firefox
[14:32] <graingert> heya
[14:33] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: It's fast and my user scripts work
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, it was taking ages to to load , altho it was snappy once loaded
[14:33] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: never saw that
[14:34] <Amaranth> oh, it also imported all my bookmarks, history, saved passwords, and saved forms from firefox perfectly
[14:34] <Amaranth> Only thing I had to do was click sign in again on sites because it didn't import cookies
[14:34] <aprilhare> night
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, yes I experienced that as well , but it was still slow to load alot of pages IMO
[14:35] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: It does slow down if you have more than 5 or so loading at once
[14:35] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: but who does that regularly?
[14:36] <Amaranth> (firefox slows down when that is happening too)
[14:39] <SlimG> Any knowlege regarding the release of Ubuntu Moblin Remix along with the main 9.10 release?
[14:41] <puffinman> Hi guys
[14:41] <kulight> !karmic
[14:41] <puffinman> can anyone tell me when Karmic beta is due out?
[14:41] <kulight> !beta
[14:41] <Pici> When its done.
[14:41] <puffinman> lol....
[14:41] <Pici> I'm serious.
[14:41] <puffinman> so no time frame then? I heard it was due out Nov 1
[14:41] <puffinman> or Oct 30
[14:42] <Pici> !schedule
[14:42] <puffinman> Thanks for that
[14:42] <puffinman> hmmm I want it already~
[14:42] <puffinman> !
[14:43] <nemo> Agh.  a day or two after suspicious flickering of video card on boot
[14:43] <nemo> (someone else here had it too)
[14:43] <kulight> if your running the alpha you prbably alredy running the beta ver
[14:43] <nemo> my vid card appears dead
[14:44] <nemo> vertical red lines on boot.  vertical $ on text console, utterly corrupted noise in gdm and eventual kernel crash
[14:44] <nemo> I know that sort of thing can happen to vid cards on their own. timing seems a little odd though
[14:45] <puffinman> probably karmic's fault
[14:45] <puffinman> do yourself a favour, nemo, go get a copy of Win 7
[14:45] <kaddi> o.0
[14:45] <puffinman> lols
[14:46]  * puffinman awaits flmae
[14:48] <gamla_kossan> hi people
[14:48] <gamla_kossan> how come the new release of ubuntu will ditch pidgin in favor of empathy?
[14:49] <kulight> gamla_kossan: they pu it back there///
[14:49] <kulight> ///=...
[14:49] <gamla_kossan> oh, you mean pidgin is back in?
[14:50] <kulight> gamla_kossan: yes. for now at least
[14:50] <gamla_kossan> yey
[14:50] <gamla_kossan> =)
[14:51] <kulight> gamla_kossan: any way you can install it very eazily from repo's
[14:51] <gamla_kossan> yeah
[14:51] <gamla_kossan> was a bit curious though
[14:52] <kulight> it was installed with the updates about a week ago...
[14:52] <gamla_kossan> sooo........ think I should take the risk and update my current 9.04-system to karmic alpha? =)
[14:54] <kulight> i dont know. but im running karmic since alpha 3
[14:54] <kulight> its stable enough for me
[14:54] <gamla_kossan> =)
[14:54] <Hatl> hi! i updated my kubuntu to 9.10. now i have the following error: http://pastebin.com/m25361f7b any suggestions?
[14:56] <SlimG> gamla_kossan: Empathy is using the new Telepathy framwork in Gnome, Pidgin doesn't use a framework, framework is good -> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7493/1.html
[14:56] <gamla_kossan> ah
[14:56] <gamla_kossan> thanks SlimG
[14:56] <gamla_kossan> =)
[14:57] <SlimG> np, It seems like the Empathy client needs a bit more polishing before it can replace Pidgin
[14:58] <gamla_kossan> ah
[14:59] <SlimG> And as I understand: It will replace Pidgin completely some day
[15:00] <gamla_kossan> hehe, my colleague just showed me that pidgin stores all your passwords in clear text..
[15:00] <Victor1> Hey, I'm finding that DNS lookups (Browser says "Looking for www.example.com", etc.) are running
[15:01] <Victor1> 10-20 times slower on karmic than on jaunty. What's up here?
[15:01] <SlimG> Victor1: Maby you've got both IPv6 and IPv4 running?
[15:02] <nemo> gamla_kossan: they have a FAQ explaining that
[15:02] <nemo> gamla_kossan: obfuscation is worse than useless
[15:02] <gamla_kossan> hehe..
[15:02] <nemo> only reasonable approach is something like Firefox's Master Password
[15:02] <gamla_kossan> ++
[15:03] <kaddi> karmic still uses firefox 3.0 and not 3.5? or did they only download it because it's installed on my jaunty system?
[15:03] <nemo> gamla_kossan: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Libpurple#Whyarepasswordsnotencrypted
[15:03] <nemo> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords
[15:03] <Victor1> SlimG: AFAIK I'm not. How would I check?
[15:04] <SlimG> !ipv6
[15:04] <Victor1> SlimG: Clarifying slightly, this is a desktop, not a server. Not sure if that was clear...
[15:05] <gamla_kossan> nemo: thanks =)
[15:06] <SlimG> Doesn't matter afaik, both IPv4 and IPv6 were enabled by default in previous Ubuntu versions
[15:06] <nemo> gamla_kossan: my client, centerim, also stores in the clear
[15:06] <nemo> for same reason
[15:06] <nemo> I've actually found that convenient in past, where I've forgotten it
[15:06] <SlimG> !ipv6 | Victor1
[15:09] <Victor1> SlimG:According to those instructions, ipv6 is disabled.
[15:09] <SlimG> Victor1: Mkay, then I'm out of ideas
[15:10] <mbeierl> I can't believe that I'm saying this but I find myself having to install emacs 'cos gedit just won't load a file with non-printable ascii in it.  It keeps wanting to know the locale, but this is NOT a UTF-8 file :(
[15:10] <JanC> empathy stores passwords in gnome keyring, which is similar to what Firefox does...
[15:11] <nemo> mbeierl: gvim :)
[15:11] <nemo> mbeierl: set locale to "C"
[15:11] <nemo> mbeierl: or use --encoding="C"
[15:11] <Victor1> SlimG:Any ideas as to what's up with it?
[15:12] <mbeierl> nemo: unfortunately I'm just more familiar with emacs than gvim... ;)
[15:12] <SlimG> Victor1: Have you tried to check the pingtime to you DNS?
[15:12] <nemo> JanC: yep. encrypted, with master. reasonable approach
[15:12] <nemo> mbeierl: those 2nd two were for gedit, not gvim
[15:12] <mbeierl> nemo: oh!
[15:12] <gamla_kossan> nemo: well.. tbh, I think they're a bit wrong. storing the passwords in cleartext just beacause IM in itself isn't a very safe way of communicating, well..
[15:12] <gamla_kossan> I don't buy it.
[15:12] <nemo> gamla_kossan: what flaw is there in their reasoning?
[15:12] <Victor1> SlimG: No. I can try that though.
[15:12] <nemo> gamla_kossan: did you read all the way through?
[15:12] <gamla_kossan> no =)
[15:13] <gamla_kossan> meeting coming up :/
[15:13] <nemo> gamla_kossan: ok. well, since you're of the new generation which has attention span of a mayfly... as they noted obfuscation is worse than useless, and deceives users into false sense of security
[15:13] <nemo> gamla_kossan: please read it though
[15:13] <nemo> TLDR
[15:13] <gamla_kossan> =)
[15:14] <nemo> mbeierl: personally I find gvim more user-friendly than gedit :D
[15:15] <JanC> well, obfuscation helps to fend off or slow down most people, but won't stop a clever criminal
[15:15] <mbeierl> nemo: I'll have to give it a try...
[15:15] <nemo> JanC: you didn't read it either I see ;)
[15:15] <JanC> nemo: I don't need to, I hope  ;)
[15:16] <nemo> JanC: and btw, Firefox does obfuscate their passwords by default if people don't set a master password.  Several times on firefox support I've had people come by saying all their passwords were given out by firefox
[15:16] <gamla_kossan> nemo: well, I think I they're missing something. given how many people encrypt their /home-partition (not so many) it would buy some time if the password file itself was protected by a master password.
[15:16] <nemo> JanC: no. their machine simply had gotten a worm that swiped them all and automatically unobfuscated
[15:16] <nemo> gamla_kossan: yes. a master password *would* help
[15:16] <nemo> gamla_kossan: the trivial obfuscation most clients do is, as they said, worse than useless
[15:17] <nemo> since neither JanC nor gamla_kossan seem to be inclined to reading before pontificating, I will cut and paste for you
[15:17] <gamla_kossan> ah, well yeah, no disagreement there
[15:17] <nemo> "But surely something is better than nothing, right?"
[15:17] <kaddi> and there is no file protection what so ever on windows pre-XP. Which means password is accessible for anyone with access to the PC
[15:17] <nemo> No. When a Pidgin user looks at her accounts.xml file, she can tell immediately that it's a sensitive file and should be
[15:17] <gamla_kossan> nemo: it's been a long day ;)
[15:17] <nemo> treated as such. When an application attempts to 'trick' the user into thinking its passwords are secure by obfuscating it
[15:17] <nemo> in some way, the user assumes it's safe.
[15:17] <nemo> the above is the heart of the issue
[15:17] <nemo> Having our passwords in plaintext is more secure than obfuscating them precisely because, when a user is not misled by a
[15:17] <cpi> hello.. one question: has anybody of you got an iscsi disk running with the current karmic alpha 6 desktop install cd? the changelog says its supported since alpha4 but i can't find any options anywhere...
[15:17] <nemo> false sense of security, he is likely to use the software in a more secure manner.
[15:18] <nemo> It is an absolute fact that people will share their accounts file, with their supposedly safe passwords, even in very public
[15:18] <nemo> places:
[15:18] <Trizicus> I'm on Alpha 6 and xmms2d freezes when playing songs (mp3s) quite often (6 times today) how can I report this bug with the errors?
[15:18] <nemo> Trizicus: is it using pulseaudio? :)
[15:18] <Trizicus> yes
[15:19]  * nemo prefers audacious over xmms2 personally
[15:19] <Trizicus> idc what I use tbh lol
[15:19] <Trizicus> i actually like the way xmms2 is done
[15:19] <wekt> !bug
[15:20] <Trizicus> Is audacious cli or gui?
[15:20] <gamla_kossan> gui
[15:20] <Trizicus> i'll try it
[15:20] <gamla_kossan> very similar to xmms2
[15:20] <Trizicus> i just want something small form factor :)
[15:21] <Trizicus> sorta looks like winamp lol
[15:21] <gamla_kossan> yup
[15:21] <gamla_kossan> =)
[15:21] <Trizicus> practically is winamp lolz
[15:22] <nemo> xmms was written because winamp didn't exist for linux
[15:22] <nemo> it could use winamp skins
[15:22] <nemo> has grown a lot since then though
[15:22] <Trizicus> i know that much lol
[15:22] <Trizicus> real shame that they wont make winamp for linux
[15:22] <gamla_kossan> how odd, ubuntu is aiming to use both apparmor and selinux?
[15:22] <Trizicus> b/c it's built off the dirty M$ libs lol
[15:22] <nemo> Trizicus: anyway, I've had a ton of pulseaudio problems that cause apps to lock up or crash or stuttering sound at regular intervals, so I tend to blame it a lot :-p
[15:23] <nemo> Trizicus: I don't see it as any great loss. what winamp provides is more than adequately covered by the many audio programs for linux
[15:23] <nemo> audio and video
[15:23] <Trizicus> Okay so pulseaudio regularly has problems basically?
[15:23] <JanC> audacious is a gtk-port of xmms1, xmms2 is something entirely different
[15:23] <nemo> JanC: that's rather WRONG
[15:23] <JanC> gtk2-port
[15:24] <nemo> JanC: most of audacious is a complete rewrite
[15:24] <nemo> JanC: including the underlying core
[15:24] <JanC> nemo: by now, maybe, but it still uses xmms1 plugins
[15:24] <nemo> JanC: only with rewrite
[15:24] <nemo> JanC: most of the bindings changed
[15:25] <nemo> JanC: but the porting is a bit easier than w/ what xmms2 chose to do
[15:25] <Trizicus> so let me make sure. Nothing better than vlc correct? lol
[15:25] <nemo> (basically hitch their pony to the gnome sound arch)
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> Trizicus:  i tend to use vlc or gmplayer, or smplayer
[15:25] <Trizicus> anything better than brasero?
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> depends on your needs.
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> I use k3b for my burning needs.
[15:26]  * Dr_Willis has found winamp grown entirelly too big for the job its supposed to do... :) but thats OT...
[15:27] <Trizicus> yea on windows i'd get light version etc
[15:27] <Trizicus> it's bloated
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> 1000000 themes.. all of them rather nasty. :)
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> and shall i point out it took me all of 10min to compile xmms  on 9.04 :)
[15:27] <Trizicus> rarely lags though lol
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had any sound issues under linux. but your mileage may vary
[15:28] <Trizicus> is there a way to 'autoclean' your system (besides apt-get)?
[15:28] <JanC> unfortunately xmms1 has known unfixed security issues AFAIK... (unless somebody fixed them by now?)
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> JanC:  no idea.. on my home lan.. i doubt if its an issue
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> Not even sure what the security issue was.
[15:29] <JanC> Dr_Willis: well, maybe a specially crafted mp3 you downloaded can take over your PC?  :P
[15:30]  * Dr_Willis phears the mp3 viruses
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> I bet winamp has no security issues at all......
[15:30] <Trizicus> but the os it's on does lol
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> Its only been in BETA ever since it was released... :)
[15:31]  * Dr_Willis sticks with streamtuner and tunapie  :) and audacious
[15:31] <JanC> every application has security issues
[15:32] <Trizicus> Besides on Winamp classic on windows to this date there is still one bug that is not fixed
[15:32] <Trizicus> it's the masking of the player and showing all other windows bug lol
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> !info tunapie
[15:33] <Dr_Willis> I noticed the other day - i couldent get 'miro' working on 9.10
[15:35] <nemo> Trizicus: I wouldn't blame xmms2 or audacious for the sound problems. not unless you eliminate the sound dæmon first
[15:35] <nemo> Dr_Willis: MP3 is truly a hideous format
[15:35] <nemo> Dr_Willis: and for a similar reason to HTML IMO
[15:35] <nemo> way too many people encoding it badly
[15:35] <nemo> putting all sorts of trash in it
[15:35] <nemo> and the players are expected to parse it all
[15:36] <nemo> Dr_Willis: that's as a total aside from the limitations of the encoding itself :)
[15:49] <amortvigil> hello has anyone get global menu to work?
[15:53] <tech404> how is the move to upstart scripts going? are people seeing a lot of regressions?
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> as far as  i know.. we have been using Upstart for the last 2-4 releases
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> not sure where that 'changed to upstart'  line i saw in the changelog.. actually means
[15:56] <tech404> well we have been using the old init scripts with upstart to ease transition
[15:57]  * sunshinepants likes upstart
[15:57] <tech404> so while we have been using upstart for a while we have not been using the advanced functionality all that much.
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> I cant say that ive noticed any transision.. but ive not really paid attention.
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> cant say that ive ever had any upstart issues either. :)
[16:14] <tj83_> anyone have ideas on dual monitor set-ups to have the splash not be centered between the two displays but rather centered on each display? i'm digging the new look, but hate its chopped in half :(
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> I find the new look ugly. :)  and that aspect of it also ugly...
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> but im old-skool i guess...
[16:19] <mbeierl> tj83_: wish I knew...
[16:20] <tj83_> mbeierl, well, i think i am gonna try a stab at figuring it out.... maybe can just manipulate the images
[16:21] <mbeierl> actually for me it's the gdm that's  the real problem - it uses virtual desktop the size of the two monitors, panning on the first only
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> I dont see that problem here.
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> using nvidia + twinview
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> gdm sppears totally on the first/primary monitor
[16:23] <tj83_> mbeierl, not sure i understand... yea, i use nvidia and "twinview" mode combines to give me a virtual desktop 3360x1050 (2 22") but it seems to work well. what do you mean panning?
[16:23] <Dr_Willis>  after an UGLY wallpaper that has teh words Ubuntu right in the borders of both monitors. :)
[16:24] <tj83_> Dr_Willis, mine  has like part of "Ubuntu" on one and part on the other, since i have kinda wide framed LCD's this is not appealing
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> I find that wallpaper rather Ugly to begin eith. :)
[16:24] <mbeierl> tj83_: I had to manually edit my xorg.conf to get twinview working - maybe I borked that, but when gdm starts, it gives me a virtual desktop the size of the two monitors, entirely displayed only on one monitor.  when I move the mouse off the side, the desktop "pans" to follow the mouse
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. i dont have that issue mbeierl  heres my xorg.conf
[16:25] <tj83_> mbeierl, i would rebuild new xorg and use nvidia-settings to try again
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f1fdb4559
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> Its amazing how minimal xorg.conf has gotten over the years. :)
[16:26] <mbeierl> and mine...
[16:26] <nemo> Sooo, whether it was Karmic that contributed to it or not
[16:26] <mbeierl> sorry - installing pasebinit...
[16:26] <nemo> I guess I'm getting a new video card
[16:26]  * tj83_ is using ver 185 nvidia river btw
[16:26] <nemo> ATI or nvidia?
[16:26] <mbeierl> http://pastebin.com/f485b94e5
[16:26] <tj83_> nvidia no doubt nemo
[16:27] <mbeierl> tj83_: Ah, yes!  I'm a laptop so I need to toggle quickly between two and one monitor
[16:28] <mbeierl> tj83_: so I have meta modes for the display configs that I like and use xrandr to switch between them
[16:28] <Martyn> Is anyone here successfully using Ubuntu One under Karmic?
[16:28] <nemo> tj83_: right now I have a geforce 7300le - looks like that sells for about $30 these days
[16:28] <Martyn> Or is the 'invalid login' / 'login error' still an issue?
[16:28] <mbeierl> Martyn: nope: I still have the login prob
[16:29] <Martyn> *nod*
[16:29] <tj83_> nemo, i dont do too much.... but i use a 9500GT 1gb ddr2, not much either, but it does all i need it to
[16:29]  * Martyn goes back to reporting bugs with xsplash
[16:29] <Martyn> did we finally decide if it was worth adding the splash graphic back into grub2?
[16:29] <nemo> tj83_: ah. that looks like it is $48
[16:29] <nemo> on pricewatch
[16:29] <Martyn> (or just having a 3-4 second blank screen is OK)
[16:29] <nemo> tj83_: that's with just ½GiB though
[16:30] <Martyn> I got a GeForce 230 card for $99 through a sale on NewEgg
[16:30] <nemo> tj83_: hm. and a refurb...
[16:30] <nemo> ugh
[16:30] <Martyn> There are still great bargains on nVidia cards out there, just keep looking
[16:30] <nemo> given what just happened to my card I'm disinclined to try refurb
[16:31]  * DanaG likes how ATI lets you just plain use xrandr.
[16:31] <nemo> DanaG: hm. good point there
[16:32] <nemo> DanaG: I'm using an ATI at work right now, and it seems to be doing rather well
[16:32] <nemo> Radeon HD 4670
[16:32] <nemo> DanaG: and no mucking about w/ separate config tool
[16:32] <nemo> hmmmm
[16:33] <DanaG> too bad git.freedesktop.org is unreachable right now.  I can't try the new r600 kms (I've already got the kernel, but now I need the userspace.)
[16:33]  * DanaG has a Mobility HD3650.
[16:33]  * DanaG goes off to try the new splash.
[16:33] <nemo> DanaG: I'm using the ATI driver of course
[16:33] <DanaG> same here... fglrx 8.660.
[16:36] <dhuv> hello all
[16:37] <dhuv> I am using karmic Alpha 6 and had a question about how to get Xorg.conf so I can customize it to enable 3D accel for my Radeon 9600.
[16:38] <DanaG> odd... upon rebooting, when xsplash disappears, it displays uninitialized memory for a while... that happens to contain whatever was last on my desktop at time of shutdown.
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm the 9600 uses the  ati or radeon driver now i think.
[16:38] <nemo> DanaG: oh. are you having problems too??
[16:38] <nemo> DanaG: granted, totally different video card, but...
[16:39] <dhuv> Dr_Willis: ati is a wrapper for the radeon driver
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> ive tossed all my ati related. :) so im just repeating what ive heard..
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> 9600 should be using the built in drivers automatically
[16:39] <dhuv> I can see in the xorg.log that ati and radeon arr loaded
[16:39] <DanaG> hmm, what's supposed to be gdm's background now?
[16:39] <dhuv> Dr_Willis: it is using them, I just want to enable 3D accel
[16:39] <dhuv> and power managemenent
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> its possible it dosent have those features yet.. Unless youve seen some special tweaks to enable them
[16:40] <doktoreas> hello everybody..do the 9.10 package wil be released tomorrow?
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[16:40] <doktoreas> thx Dr_Willis
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> Beta 1 is scheduled for tomorrow i belive.
[16:41] <doktoreas> so I'll do the upgrade tomorrow
[16:41] <dhuv> Dr_Willis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#Accelerated%203D%20support%20%28r300,%20r400%20and%20r500%20series
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> lovely when pastes/urls have %20 and %28 in them. :)
[16:41] <dhuv> scroll down and you will see the section on configuring xorg.conf
[16:42] <Dr_Willis>  You sure the 9600 is included in the R300/r400/r500 series?
[16:43] <rsk> 9600 is r200 or r300
[16:43] <rsk> just out of memory
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> 600 / rv350 or rv360 based cards
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> is what that url says..
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> also says they have 'good 3d support' :)
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> which aparently is not true  from, what dhuv  says
[16:44] <robin0800> dhuv: the problem with that is one no xorg.conf file by default and many if not all tweaks make it slower now
[16:46] <dhuv> robin0800: even enabling 3D and dynamic clocks?
[16:46] <dhuv> just enabling dynamic clocks would be enough so atleast I save power
[16:47] <DanaG> argh, it's silly that the gdm background doesn't match the xsplash.
[16:48] <DanaG> Thus, you end up with a jarring black text boot ->  brown xsplash -> bright orange gdm -> brown xsplash -> back to orange, or perhaps uninitialized memory -> desktop.
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> they ned to make it all Hot Pink and Lilac!
[16:48]  * kaddi agrees
[16:49] <arand> DanaG: that's been changed by now I think
[16:49] <DanaG> well, it doesn't flicker, but it does change, because gdm wallpaper is different.
[16:55] <vigo> 287
[16:56] <peol> Hey. How would I remove pulseaudio and setup my system to use alsa + esound properly? Just by purging pulseaudio and install esound seems to "fix" it.
[16:57] <peol> +not
[16:58] <BluesKaj> peol, purge pulseaudio then reinstall , reboot ..pulesaudio should work
[16:59] <peol> BluesKaj: I'm trying to remove pulseaudio completely, and have gnome using my esound daemon instead :P
[16:59] <robin0800> dhuv: can't use EAX, pageflip, dephmoves and backing store all not working now
[17:00] <peol> PulseAudio is gone, and esound + alsa works when I login, but it doesn't seem to work in other applications like songbird, it just says no sink found
[17:02] <vigo> I am not awake enough to respond, but Thank you BluesKaj, good response.
[17:04] <vigo> peol: I found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[17:08] <vigo> peol: From a website I just read, not official, says a bit about that.
[17:09] <peol> vigo: I know, there's a lot of resources, but it seems something is changed in karmic, pulseaudio seems more integrated with the system then before or something
[17:10] <vigo> peol: Yes, it is and it seems to be, as I stated I have seen much discussion on that.
[17:11] <vigo> peol: Here is the website I just looked at, is not really clean coding, but addresses esound and pulse,http://www.khattam.info/2009/09/09/solved-sound-problem-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-4-due-to-pulseaudio/
[17:12] <ytco92> hello
[17:12] <ytco92> i am on karmic, and i can't hear anything (i mean music)
[17:12] <peol> vigo: I'll have a looksie, thanks
[17:12] <ytco92> i have watched a film 1 hour ago and it worked fine
[17:13] <vigo> peol: You are welcome, not official, so please look at Launchpad also and official Documentation.
[17:14] <urthmover> ytco92: sudo alsa force-reload
[17:16] <ytco92> o.O the windows manager crashed?
[17:18] <ytco92> ok alsa works.... but now i dont know how to start the windows manager...
[17:20] <nicolacardinali> ytco92: startx
[17:20] <ytco92> gtk-window-decorator --replace   does nothing
[17:20] <ytco92> nick125, i already have x, i am using xchat...
[17:21] <ytco92> i have the xchat window here and the terminal windows in the top left of the screen, but they wont move or anything
[17:22] <eternal_p> morning all...did an update last night, all good but when I try to run vmware, tells me that kernel  headers cannot be found
[17:22] <ytco92> ok metacity --replace &   worked :)
[17:28] <urthmover> eternal_p: there is a kernel patch in the vmware community forum from earlier this month.  I can't find it right now  but its there and will solve your vmware install problems
[17:31] <eternal_p> urthmover: naa, different issue, found the solution in the forums
[17:31] <eternal_p> thanks, though
[17:38] <DanaG> ugh, for some reason, newer intel wifi drivers won't join open wifi.
[17:38] <rsk> :)
[17:39] <rsk> is the driver closed? :F
[17:39] <DanaG> iwlagn is the driver.
[17:40] <DanaG> oddly enough, if i set one of my LEDs to be a TX LED, I never see any sign of any packets actually going out.
[17:41] <DanaG> and for some reason, notify-osd is saying "HOME" disconnected... even though that's not the network I'm trying to join.
[17:42] <sewa> hi!, im using kde 4.3.1 (@karmic) and im using compiz (its run faster than kwin in my laptop), anyway, is a way to use native kde-window-decorator instead of emerald and gtk-window-decorator?
[17:51] <vigo> sewa: Did you want to switch between KDE/Gnome?
[17:52] <vigo> sewa: Did or have you tried IceWM?
[17:53] <urthmover> sewa: XFCE is another good alternative
[17:54] <nemo> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
[17:54] <nemo> lubuntu uses LXDE
[17:56] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:56] <alankila> it's nice how that site trashes xfce... I also tried it and discovered it was not any lighter than gnome seemed more like a continuation of where gnome1 was going perhaps more than anything else.
[17:57] <AlanBell> anyone know when the partner repo gets populated for Karmic? http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/partner/binary-i386/Packages acroread RRadobe-flashplugin
[17:57] <alankila> hmm somehow I failed to apply a couple of commas above. Anyway, I was seriously disappointed by xfce
[17:58] <joaopinto> AlanBell, most likely after the final release
[17:58] <AlanBell> I would like to test the Alfresco package in Karmic. I have installed the Jaunty package on Karmic, but I would like to test the new one
[17:59] <DanaG> argh, my iwlagn just plain won't send or receive ANY packets.
[18:01] <stefanlsd> Could someone do me a favout pls and pastebin /boot/menu.lst
[18:02] <stefanlsd> *favour :)
[18:05] <DanaG> Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[18:05] <DanaG> argh!
[18:05] <genii> stefanlsd: There is no standard /boot/grub/menu.lst  file from which to go by. Also if you have grub2 from a default karmic install, it will be instead grub.conf but that is generated by values elsewhere
[18:06] <drs305> * grub.cfg
[18:06] <genii> drs305: Sorry, yes
[18:06] <stefanlsd> genii: ooh. ok. thanks. i see grub.cfg
[18:07] <drs305> !grub2
[18:11] <mac_v> !schedule
[18:20] <atrus> is it correct that the indicator applet only shows new mail if evolution is open?
[18:22] <tgpraveen> atrus: yuuo
[18:22] <tgpraveen> yup
[18:22] <atrus> huh. i always assumed i could use it to deterimine when i needed to run evolution. this... sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
[18:27] <nOStahl> hi guys. karmic going through any snafoo's right now like the graphics thing couple weeks ago?
[18:33] <simba_> is installing eclipse from repo broken, or is it just me?
[18:33] <atrus> nOStahl: i find searching twitter/identi.ca for #karmic is a good way of detecting major problems :)
[18:34] <drs305> nOStahl: No major showstoppers for most users.
[18:34] <nOStahl> k
[18:34] <nOStahl> i just had power outage with ext4
[18:34] <nOStahl> so my jaunty install is hosed
[18:35] <nOStahl> thinking of doing karmic its close enough to launch date anyways eh?
[18:35] <drs305> nOStahl: The beta comes out tomorrow. Of course, if you get it today and do the updates you will more or less have the Beta anyway.
[18:38] <simba_> i've hardly had any problems running karmic UNR sins A2 i think. *impressed*
[18:39]  * genii sips and thinks about the sins of A6
[18:44] <nOStahl> did they ever fix the karmic installer
[18:44] <nOStahl> it wouldnt let me partition hd
[18:44] <nOStahl> had to use alternative installer to get it to go
[18:45] <nOStahl> brb
[18:46] <nOStahl1> back
[18:46] <nOStahl1> k so anyone know about the installer problems
[18:46] <ChogyDan> nOStahl1: I always use gparted.  I don't like the new partitioner...
[18:47] <nOStahl1> how do you get past the installer script wanting to load the partitioner??
[18:47]  * BluesKaj prays Beta is less prone to breakage than A6
[18:48] <ChogyDan> nOStahl1: well, I guess the installer worked better for me than that.  I did have to use it to assign / etc
[18:49] <markl__> ah cool
[18:50] <markl__> ok so whenever skype makes a noise it pauses rhythmbox until the skype noise is done; is this a bug or a feature?
[18:50] <nOStahl1> im going to use the same karmic iso i have had
[18:50] <nOStahl1> boot it up and download ubiquity or whatever its called to get the latest version
[18:50] <nOStahl1> hopfuly it'd be patched to fix the partitioner error
[18:52] <tgpraveen> markl__: the altest skype is supposed to integrate with pulseaudio and hence stop playing movies,songs, when a call
[18:52] <tgpraveen> comes and play it again when call ends
[18:52] <tgpraveen> so it is a feature
[18:52] <tgpraveen> *latest
[18:53] <markl__> i see, i suppose that is a cool feature for peopel who use it for calls.  what are the options for disabling this behavior?
[18:53] <nOStahl1> the installer is called ubiquity right?
[18:54] <tgpraveen> markl__: i guess pulse audio might have some option to disable it. why would u want to do that though?
[18:54] <markl__> because whenever someone sends me a text message it pauses my music
[18:55] <markl__> extremly aggravating
[18:55] <markl__> i would rather have it play the sound at the same time
[18:56] <nOStahl1> speaking of skype i wonder when they are going to come out with the push notifications for their ipod app
[18:57] <nOStahl1> i really need it to notify me when someone's calling and im doing other things on the ipod
[18:58] <tgpraveen> markl__: mayb in skype prefernces there might be a option that says dont give sound notifications for new mssgs
[18:59] <xuser> Why doesn't karmic uses the 64bit flash plugin?
[19:00] <darthanubis> because they don't want to include an alpha plugin which works flawlessly for me I might add
[19:01] <alankila> hmm so that's why my flash hasn't been crashing so much lately?
[19:03] <alankila> I thought they finally got the 64-bit flash working. :-/
[19:03] <xuser> I have used the 64bit version on Debian without problems
[19:03] <markl__> tgpraveen: i want to hear the notifications though, i just want it to be mixed with whatever other sounds may be going on
[19:03] <darthanubis> it works but is not included because it is alpha
[19:04] <alankila> this is unexpected sort of pragmatism. Generally it doesn't matter if the software doesn't work to the people who push an agenda of 64 bits for everything. They just see users' problems as a way to push more "support" for 64 bits
[19:04] <tgpraveen> markl__: HMM I SEE UR POINT
[19:05] <tgpraveen> sorry for the caps
[19:05] <alankila> and anyway, I certainly have had a large array of crashes with the 64-bit plugin, so I can't say it ever worked for me
[19:06] <darthanubis> not one crash with the 64bit plugin
[19:06] <darthanubis> quite amazing
[19:06] <alankila> so how could I install that one?
[19:08] <genii> walkie_: Not that i know of. I usually add them as pre-up and post-down directives in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:08] <genii> Bah, misdirect
[19:13] <cyberix> My karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope?
[19:14] <xuser> cyberix: add it to the panel
[19:14] <darthanubis> indicator-applet 0.1
[19:14] <sassyn> hi all
[19:14] <alankila> mm, it does work now. Maybe.
[19:15] <sassyn> does 9.10 will support xen?
[19:15] <sassyn> with kernel 2.6.31?
[19:15] <darthanubis> of course
[19:16] <sassyn> darthanubis - are u talking to me?
[19:16] <darthanubis> y
[19:16] <cyberix> xuser: Oh. I thought it was going to appear in the notification area. Thanks.-
[19:16] <sassyn> darthanubis -  but kernel 2.6.31
[19:16] <sassyn> is only support domU at the moment
[19:16] <sassyn> not Dom0
[19:17] <sassyn> So 9.10 can run as Xen Host AKA as DomU but not as Dom0
[19:17] <darthanubis> now I'm not sure about your specific question
[19:18] <darthanubis> and I'm too lazt atm to search for the info...
[19:18] <sassyn> OK
[19:18] <sassyn> It is jus kernerl 2.6.18 include DomU support
[19:18] <sassyn> Dom0 is still in dev
[19:19] <sassyn> So I wan wonder of ubuntu has xenalized the kernel image?
[19:19] <sassyn> of = if
[19:20] <darthanubis> http://www.google.com/search?q=xen+ubuntu+9.10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[19:20] <darthanubis> sassyn, from that google search it does not look good atm
[19:20] <darthanubis> Bug #216176 in grub2 (Ubuntu): “Xen entries not working under grub2”
[19:20] <sassyn> atm ?
[19:21] <darthanubis> at the moment
[19:21] <sassyn> OK
[19:21] <sassyn> grub2 with xen is easy
[19:21] <sassyn> solved it allready
[19:21] <sassyn> buyt still runing old kernel
[19:21] <darthanubis> great!
[19:22] <xuser> sassyn: the way to go now is kvm
[19:22] <sassyn> kvm ?
[19:22] <sassyn> u mean komranet?
[19:23] <genii> kernel based virtual machine
[19:23] <sassyn> xuser I think xen is better
[19:23] <sassyn> I test it, and use quem and Xen is much faster
[19:24] <sassyn> and it is know on the kernel baseline
[19:25] <Martyn> Crap
[19:25] <Martyn> Did anyone update a few minutes ago?
[19:25] <darthanubis> yes
[19:25] <rsk> what updates
[19:25] <Martyn> I just did an update on my karmic x86_64 machine, and it now refuses to boot
[19:25] <sassyn> have no clew
[19:25] <Martyn> something changed the configuration of grub2.  Bad.
[19:25] <darthanubis> I have not rebooted in 20hrs
[19:25] <sassyn> darthanubis -
[19:26] <sassyn> try to run grub make config
[19:26] <sassyn> to rebuild the grub.cfg
[19:26] <xuser> sassyn: red hat and ubuntu are pushing for kvm as the default virtualization
[19:26] <Martyn> sassyn : First I have to boot rescue CD
[19:26] <xuser> ubuntu enterprise cloud uses kvm
[19:26] <sassyn> kvm
[19:27] <sassyn> use quem
[19:27] <sassyn> and I really think it is not fast as xen
[19:27] <Martyn> and kvm is well supported in libvert now
[19:27] <sassyn> u can google xen vs kvm
[19:27] <sassyn> libvert?
[19:27] <Martyn> sassyn : I can prove it's /faster/ than xen, actually.
[19:27] <sassyn> I run a lot of test
[19:27] <Martyn> sassyn : Half my time at work is spent testing virtualization platforms
[19:27] <sassyn> But maybe I should check it again
[19:28] <Martyn> sassyn : The only place where kvm is somewhat slower, is video abstraction
[19:28] <xuser> and with kvm you don't need a modified kernel
[19:28] <mbeierl> what would the average user use kvm for?
[19:28] <sassyn> can u have access to the filesystem
[19:29] <sassyn> not as a loop device?
[19:29] <Martyn> sassyn : It's remarkably good at abstracting network, block device access, and surprisingly even during mem alloc
[19:29] <sassyn> but u have to use qemu-image create
[19:29] <sassyn> and I want DAS
[19:30] <sassyn> Direct Attach Storage
[19:30] <sassyn> for all the VM machines
[19:30] <sassyn> and KVm not support DAS
[19:30] <sassyn> but maybe I wrong
[19:31] <nOStahl> hey guys ubuntu is failing to mount a file system type ext4 on sda1
[19:31] <nOStahl> i ran a check on the hd its fine
[19:32] <nOStahl> what would cause that
[19:32] <kakabates> hello?
[19:32] <simba_> nOStahl, not encrypted or part of raid?
[19:32] <nOStahl> neither
[19:33] <nOStahl> going to try it as ext3 real quick
[19:36] <nOStahl> appears to be working...
[19:36] <nOStahl> 33 percent of files coppied now
[19:36] <nOStahl> why would ext4 fail heh
[19:37]  * genii sips and ponders extents
[19:40] <evan_> hi has anyone got bluethoot mouse workin?
[19:42] <nOStahl> ship one to me and i'll get it working
[19:42] <evan_> nOStahl, atleast thanks for a respinse
[19:43] <evan_> sponse*
[19:43] <nOStahl> you shouldnt have a prob getting it to work
[19:43] <nOStahl> you paired it up right?
[19:44] <evan_> karmic detects mouse and ask for premission i accept and then nothing
[19:44] <evan_> it says failed
[19:45] <evan_> nOStahl, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/404979
[20:07] <viki> I have a problem with UrbanTerror on Ubuntu Karmic. Previously on Jaunty (computer is the same) it was working fine, on the Karmic it is crashing with a black screen after starting. After I need to reboot the machine... Can anybody help?
[20:07] <erichammond> Is it still true that Karmic is supposed to have "add-apt-repositories" per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine#Adding%20Launchpad%20PPA%20Repositories
[20:08] <erichammond> add-apt-repositories is not present in the Karmic Alpha-6 build (for EC2)
[20:08] <yofel> erichammond: yes, it's in karmic
[20:08] <erichammond> What package is it supposed to be in?
[20:09] <yofel> erichammond: python-software-properties
[20:10] <erichammond> yofel: Thanks.  Should have used apt-file before asking.
[20:10] <yofel> but that should be installed by default since software-properties-{gtk,kde} depends on it
[20:10] <erichammond> So perhaps the right question is, should python-software-properties be installed on a default Karmic server?
[20:10] <erichammond> (not desktop)
[20:11] <yofel> oh, it won't be installed by default on a server
[20:11] <erichammond> yofel: ok, thanks.
[20:11] <yofel> maybe it should though...
[20:11] <erichammond> +1
[20:16] <Anzo> hello everyone, i just installed karmic on a latitute xt (tablet) and touch screen isnt working out of the box. As this is a first for me I do not know where to start. Any suggestions
[20:17] <genii> Anzo: You installed the regular version or the netbook version?
[20:17] <kakabates> Hey everyone....this is my first time trying to get help in IRC.....is there anything special I should know or do before I start firing off questions?
[20:18] <Anzo> genii its the alt edition (so not the netbook)
[20:19] <Anzo> genii its also the kubuntu edition, i think i talked with you before i did the install...
[20:19] <Anzo> kakabates just ask away if someone can help they will reply
[20:19] <kakabates> ok ty
[20:19] <genii> kakabates: Don't use all capitals, if it's a lot of lines of content use a pastebin website, otherwise ask away
[20:20] <genii> Anzo: Possibly, I talk to dozens of people per day
[20:21] <kakabates> well....i can't get online with 9.10. It looks good...I see a connection. but the browser wont find a any online content
[20:21] <Anzo> genii its cool, dont expect for you to remember the issue. I just would like to get the tablet up and running. Funny thing is its running better with the beta than 9.04 - the touch screen
[20:21] <Anzo> kakabates what browser?
[20:22] <kakabates> firefox
[20:22] <lordgiotto> kakabates: i've got the same problem... It can be a DNS problem... try a sudo apt-get update and tell us of it works
[20:24] <kakabates> many failed to fetch and some failed t o download on sudo apt-get update
[20:24] <lordgiotto> what ip doas it looks for?
[20:25] <Anzo> genii any ideas?
[20:25] <kakabates> let me add that im working on another box right and I have to cpu in question beside
[20:25] <kakabates> me
[20:25] <kakabates> its an old satellite 4030 cdt
[20:27] <lordgiotto> kakabates: however i've got the same problem and the my workaround was adding to resolv.conf opendns
[20:27] <kakabates> ok....let me just state out in the open that I am a total noob
[20:28] <Anzo> its cool have to start somewhere... i am new as well
[20:28] <Anzo> also kakabates its your hardwire connection not wireless right?
[20:28] <yofel> kakabates: try 'ping google.com' and 'ping 74.125.45.100' and tell us if one works please
[20:28] <genii> kakabates: You might also want to try from in Konsole: sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0             (if your connection is wired)
[20:29] <genii> Anzo: None of my devices have a touchscreen so I wouldn't know where to start working on the problem
[20:29] <Anzo> genii darn thanks tho
[20:30] <yofel> Anzo: i don't have a touchscreen so a wild guess: have you checked you Xorg.0.log?
[20:30] <gap_> hello
[20:30] <Anzo> yofel i tried to access xorg.conf it was blank, was it moved to a new location?
[20:31] <yofel> no, not the xorg.conf but /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it's the X log file
[20:31] <lordgiotto> kakabates: if you want try to use opendns you can open your terminal and write:           sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[20:31] <lordgiotto> After that delete averything you find there and write
[20:31] <lordgiotto> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[20:31] <lordgiotto> nameserver 208.67.220.220
[20:31] <kakabates> ping google.com shows unknown host and the other one shows PING and the sam string of numbers followed by 56 (84) bytes of data......then it look like my prompt went dead and now i only have a blinking cursor.
[20:31] <lordgiotto> after that close firefox and reopen it
[20:31] <Anzo> yofel do i run a gedit?
[20:32] <lordgiotto> then tell us the feedback :P
[20:32] <yofel> Anzo: yes
[20:32] <kakabates> ok...lord
[20:33] <ni1s> Odd, qmmp doesnt come with a .desktop and also is old(ish)
[20:34] <yofel> Anzo: you could also pastebin your log file so I can take a look at it with 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and then give us the link
[20:34] <Anzo> yofel i am getting a command not found error
[20:35] <yofel> Anzo: ok, then you'll have to install pastebinit first ;)
[20:35] <yofel> it's very useful if you need help here
[20:35] <Anzo> yofel :) sudo apt-get pastebinit?
[20:36] <yofel> Anzo: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:37] <Anzo> thx DOH!
[20:37] <SpacePigeon> is there an approximation of the karmic release date??
[20:38] <Tronic> SpacePigeon: Yes, the end of October.
[20:38] <SpacePigeon> woo nice
[20:38] <Tronic> 28th or something like that.
[20:38] <yofel> !schedule | SpacePigeon
[20:38] <xguru> 29th..
[20:38] <Tronic> I just hope they'll do something for Pulseaudio before that.
[20:38] <SpacePigeon> like implementing earcandy?
[20:38] <Tronic> As currently it simply does not work.
[20:39] <SpacePigeon> haha
[20:39] <SpacePigeon> yeah, why not use alsa?
[20:39] <Tronic> Pulseaudio is a nice idea. They just need to fix it before releasing for the masses.
[20:39] <Adapter> and epson printers :)
[20:40] <Tronic> There has to be politics involved, I can't see how else such a buggy piece of software would be made the default of mainstream distributions.
[20:41] <lordgiotto> kakabates: so it works?
[20:41] <Anzo> yofel i have it installed, next step
[20:43] <SpacePigeon> yeah well, do you think karmic is fully stable up to now?
[20:43] <SpacePigeon> Adapter, yeah, all sorts of printers haha
[20:43] <lordgiotto> However, i need help with 2 bugs :)
[20:43] <lordgiotto> 1) If i try to set manual ip with Network Manager Gnome, it returns automatic after i've pressed Apply... Anyone has the same problem?
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: it is here, since alpha 2
[20:43] <Adapter> ahh is not a special prob for epson
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: but all my hardware works out of the box
[20:43] <SpacePigeon> ActionParsnip, you do any gaming or flash video playing?
[20:44] <SpacePigeon> ActionParsnip, what brand is your computer>
[20:44] <arand> I guess the people responsible aint hitting any of the PA bugs ;) I mean, I've basically had no problems with PA, and from my pov it just seems to bring in nifty features...
[20:44] <yofel> Anzo: run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' then give me the link it gives you please
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: home build based on an asus pudit p1-ah2
[20:44] <SpacePigeon> I see..
[20:44]  * yofel hasn't had much problems with PA too, except one update that muted some sink that was hard to find
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: just add cpu, ram and drives and you got a system
[20:45] <kakabates> no....followed your instructions lord and added those 2 lines. opened firefox  and nothing
[20:45] <kakabates> server not found
[20:45] <Adapter> hehe
[20:45] <Anzo> yofel http://pastebin.com/f44562541
[20:45] <amortvigil> has anyone got bluetooth mouse to work in karmic
[20:46] <amortvigil> ?\
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: secret is to not buy the lateststuff, or whats cheap to save cash, research to find the most compatible stuff and you dont have to do any effort
[20:46] <lordgiotto> mmm so firefox doesn't work but irc works, right?
[20:47] <kakabates> no...i'm on another box
[20:47] <guntbert> but SpacePigeon don't expect an alpha version to be "stable" !
[20:47] <platius> Tronic,  have you added your user to the pulse audio groups?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> kakabates: if you rename ~/.mozilla and relaunch, does it work?
[20:47] <SpacePigeon> ActionParsnip, yeah well, I bought a dell xps laptop in jan 2008 and had to do very few problem fixing
[20:47] <kakabates> sorry should have been clear earlier
[20:47] <SpacePigeon> guntbert, thats why i asked haha
[20:47] <SpacePigeon> i think i will not install it
[20:47] <Anzo> yofel its http://pastebin.com/f44563541 (added a wrong number)
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> SpacePigeon: research long nd hard, thwere is tonnes ofdocumentation about what works well and what doesnt
[20:48] <arand> SpacePigeon: 1530?
[20:48] <lordgiotto> kakabates: so internet doesn't work at all? can you ping your router?
[20:49] <SpacePigeon> arand, yeah
[20:49] <SpacePigeon> arand, nicest dell machine ever in my opinion
[20:49] <Tronic> platius: Pulseaudio works in some applications and PA appears to be per-user instead of system wide on my system.
[20:49] <kakabates> im showing that i am connected to a wireless network and that it is active
[20:50] <yofel> Anzo: thx, looking at it
[20:50] <Adapter> Good night or morning or where ever you are !!!
[20:50] <Tronic> platius: It just hangs on application startup or exit (stucks waiting a mutex or something).
[20:50] <kakabates> system monitor shows i am sending and receiving small amounts of data
[20:50] <arand> SpacePigeon: Yea, I've got one as well, it's a nice one, apart from the bios >_<
[20:50] <SpacePigeon> arand, whats the problem with the bios?
[20:50] <lordgiotto> kakabates: can you ping your router's ip?
[20:51] <SpacePigeon> perhaps you want to join my gooogle group on dell xps m1530
[20:51] <SpacePigeon> users
[20:51] <Tronic> platius: I have reported the relevant backtraces to a bug that was already reported by someone else much earlier, but it still has NEW status and no-one seems to care.
[20:51] <SpacePigeon> ubuntu users
[20:51] <Anzo> yofel it doesnt appear to be configured, so i need to edit my xorg file. however i cant access it
[20:51] <platius> Tronic,   adding my user(s) to the pulse audio groups solved most of my sound problems
[20:51] <arand> SpacePigeon: takes forever to load, no POST info, if you timeeout the password it goes to check mode which takes forever...
[20:53] <arand> SpacePigeon: Have you gotten 2-finger scrolling working at all btw?
[20:53] <SpacePigeon> arand, is that available?
[20:53] <kakabates> i pinged the router and i got almost 100 lines scrolling up and counting
[20:54] <arand> SpacePigeon: I guess it should be possible to emulate it with pressure levels, but I've drawn blannk so far...
[20:54] <lordgiotto> kakabates: so it works... ok
[20:55] <lordgiotto> kakabates: try to set manual ip and dns with network manager... it can be a dhcp problem
[20:55] <kakabates> will it just continue to  "ping" until i stop it
[20:55] <viki> Openarena and Urbanterror crashes on my Ubuntu Karmic. Previously on Jaunty with the same computer both was working fine. After I launch the game i see only a black screen with the cursor on the left top corner and i am even not able to move it. From the game even the logo at the begging does not appear. Can anybody help me?
[20:55] <Tronic> platius: I'll try that.
[20:55] <platius> Tronic, using flash videos, dvd movies, skype  w/o probs
[20:55] <lordgiotto> kakabates: it's normal.. you have to stop it with ctrl + c
[20:55] <platius> Tronic, 2 pulse groups I think
[20:55] <Tronic> platius: Are you running PA system-wide?
[20:56] <Tronic> Added myself to both.
[20:56] <SpacePigeon> arand, oh my, my group is flooded with porn spam
[20:56] <platius> Tronic, yes
[20:56] <Tronic> Need to relogin to desktop sometime to see if that helps.
[20:56] <Tronic> And reconfigure my stuff to use Pulseaudio.
[20:56] <platius> Tronic, not in 9.10 atm.
[20:56] <Tronic> Because currently they use ALSA and dmix.
[20:56] <yofel> Anzo: seems like it, X doesn't use a xorg.conf in karmic by default though, so you'll have to create a dummy one with 'sudo xorg -configure' (youll find it in /root)
[20:57] <platius> Tronic, hope it helps, later
[20:57] <yofel> Anzo: sudo Xorg -configure
[20:57] <arand> SpacePigeon: Okay... (what was the context of that? o_0)
[20:57] <yofel> forgot the capital X
[20:57] <SpacePigeon> arand, that i had to do tremendous cleanup
[20:58] <SpacePigeon> done now though
[20:58] <mozicodo> kakabates: can you ping 208.67.222.222? It's an OpenDNS server.
[20:58] <SpacePigeon> please do not misintrepret cleanup
[20:58] <arand> SpacePigeon: too late >_<
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[20:58] <SpacePigeon> anyway, im off for a while
[20:58] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[20:59] <arand> Hello BUGabundo !
[20:59] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[20:59] <BUGabundo> anyone reporting notify *still* in middle screeen?
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> hi BUGabundo
[20:59] <BUGabundo> mine is at 80%
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: its on the right, 20% from the top
[21:00] <BUGabundo> me too
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but a friend on a supposed alpha6
[21:00] <BUGabundo> is reporting midle screen
[21:00] <kakabates> that open DNS ping returned PING 208.67.222.222 (208.67.222.222) 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:00] <Anzo> yofel, sorry to go spazz here but this is confusing
[21:00] <Anzo> yofel i ran that now how do i access the fiel
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: try making a new user to test if its stupid settings
[21:01] <BUGabundo> kakabates: those are OpenDNS servers!
[21:01] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: sudo rm -rf / ?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> that won't work
[21:01] <BUGabundo> I've asked my students to try it
[21:01] <BUGabundo> hey mac
[21:01] <mozicodo> kakabates: nothing after that?
[21:01] <yofel> Anzo: copy the new created file to /etc/X11/ and edit it there.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: no, make a new user, log in as that and see if its identical
[21:02] <BUGabundo> its a clean install from A6
[21:02] <BUGabundo> let me confirm
[21:02] <Anzo> yofel i am using kde so the command should be sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf correct ?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> eerrr
[21:02] <arand> BUGabundo: or dpkg-reconfigure notify-osd? /aptitude reinstall...
[21:02] <BUGabundo> Anzo: don't use SUDO for GUI apps
[21:03] <nOStahl> hrmm so i was having issues earlyer where i had a power outage and a ext4 system and couldnt recover, used that oportunity to try karmic on the eepc
[21:03] <BUGabundo> try gksu or ksudo instead
[21:03] <nOStahl> couldnt get my 4 gig hd to mount
[21:03] <nOStahl> so i just tried restoring the eee to xp with the dvd and it worked fine
[21:03] <Anzo> Bug i am in terminal trying to access the xorg file to get touch screen working
[21:03] <kakabates> nope....and my command prompt didnt come back either
[21:03] <yofel> Anzo: like BUGabundo said, use 'kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' once you copied the file
[21:03] <nOStahl> things booting into windows.... why would it let me do ntfs and not ext4 filesystem type?
[21:03] <Anzo> Ahh see its the little things that throw me
[21:07] <kakabates> oh wait....after i hit control c it stopped and fed me some ping stats 380 packs transmitted 0 recieved 100% packet loss
[21:07] <Anzo> yofel i opened the file it was still blank, so i inserted the new xorg, saved it do i need to run the previous configure command to get it working now?
[21:07] <BUGabundo> arand: an easy way to test a new user, is also to use Guest Session
[21:07] <mozicodo> kakabates: ok, just wondering if it was similar to a name resolution error I had recently with wireless connections but it's not.
[21:08] <yofel> Anzo: not sure, if you have  edited the file you'll have to reload X to active the new configuration afaik (re-login)
[21:08] <kakabates> so my ping worked right. I can send info through my router?
[21:09] <Anzo> yafel i will restart the whole system to be sure
[21:11] <Anzo> yofel you are the man!
[21:11] <kakabates> while im here can someone tell me the command for replying directly to a specific person?
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> kakabates: type a few letters of the name then press tab
[21:11] <kakabates> trying to learn the etiquette of IRC and get help at the same time
[21:11] <kakabates> ActionParsnip: thank you
[21:12] <bucky> kakabates, type their nick.. there is <TAB> for auto complete
[21:12] <kakabates> bucky: thanks
[21:12] <nOStahl> so whats the consensus on ext4 on ssd's
[21:13]  * bucky highlights his nick
[21:13] <bucky> bucky, you suck
[21:14] <kakabates> so... i think i have pinged my router and an open dns server successfully. is there some onboard setting that will keep apps from accessing the outside world?
[21:16] <arand> BUGabundo: yup, on guest session notify-send shoves it at 1/5 down right...
[21:16] <mozicodo> kakabates: You got 100% packet loss from the open dns server ping so you can't get to the outside world.
[21:17] <kakabates> ok....could be a setting with the router that doesn't recognize this cpu
[21:18] <BUGabundo> grrr
[21:18] <BUGabundo> my friend applied all remainng updates, rebooted
[21:18] <BUGabundo> and still sees notify midlle screen
[21:18] <BUGabundo> just asked him to test on Guest
[21:18] <BUGabundo> and $ apt-cache policy libnotify1
[21:19] <kakabates> the wireless setting says it's active and the resources tab of the system monitor says i have sent and recieved
[21:23] <mozicodo> kakabates: Do you have your router restricting access based off of MAC addresses?
[21:23] <dashua> Bring back Epiphany-gecko please =/
[21:24] <kakabates> not to my knowlege. the router is my neighbors airport. I am on another mac downstairs and the lap top in question is wlan with a wep....never used mac for access on any of these computers
[21:26] <kakabates> ok.....the dinner bell just rang over here. i really appreciate you all helping me out. but i gotta take a break and chow.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> ok fixed
[21:28] <BUGabundo> the dude was stupid
[21:28] <BUGabundo> for him HALF was the 80%
[21:28] <BUGabundo> he was expecting 100% like jaunty
[21:28] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:29] <arand> BUGabundo: pebcak :D
[21:29] <BUGabundo> grrr
[21:29] <BUGabundo> studpid users
[21:29] <dominic_> Hello
[21:30] <BUGabundo> here's my old advice
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ASSUME NOTHING
[21:30] <BUGabundo> also don't leave caps on :=
[21:30] <dominic_> i was told to report something wrong with alsa
[21:30] <BUGabundo> still not option to cotnrol Notify OSD??
[21:30] <BUGabundo> dominic_: fire way
[21:30] <dominic_> ill use pastebin to paste the session from terminal
[21:30] <dominic_> i used clear beforehand, so...
[21:32] <arand> BUGabundo: seems like a few features have been put in the bitbucket for karmic, gdm customization, sound theme customization...
[21:32] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:32] <BUGabundo> and lucile is LTS
[21:33] <BUGabundo> so no major changes expected
[21:33] <arand> Well, let's at least hope they'll fix feature regressions...
[21:34] <bullgard4> Help 2.28.0 > 9.3.1. Empathy Internet Manager > "See the Empathy Manual for help on using Empathy." Clicking on 'Empathy Manual' that is, 'ghelp: empathy', obtains with me: »Unable to load page.« How about with you?
[21:35] <dominic_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282461/
[21:38] <dominic_> That link is what my problem is
[21:38] <dominic_> Its when i restart alsa
[21:38] <dominic_> well, alsa-utils
[21:38] <dominic_> i get that error message
[21:38] <dominic_> And its in a loop
[21:38] <arand> bullgard4: same, and yelp crashes on that as well for me... I'd guess the documentation doesn't exist yet...
[21:39] <bullgard4> arand: Thank you for reporting.
[21:41] <ubuntu0ath1> Can I trust the ETA listed in launchpad for ubuntu-beta. It says Expected: in 3 hours ?
[21:41] <dominic_> Ubuntu beta is here?
[21:41] <dominic_> COOL!
[21:41] <dominic_> lol
[21:41] <ubuntu0ath1> Not yet
[21:41] <dominic_> Ok
[21:42] <dominic_> How many hours?
[21:42] <dominic_> lol
[21:42] <ubuntu0ath1> According to launchpad it will land in 3 hours...but can  I trust launchpad?
[21:42] <dominic_> YAYYY
[21:42] <rsk> dominic_: a few
[21:42] <arand> dominic_: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/84152 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/21804 any useful info for you there?
[21:42] <robin0800> dominic_: I bet 24hours
[21:42] <ubuntu0ath1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta   Here's the entry
[21:42] <dominic_> So will it come as an update in my Update manager?
[21:42] <ubuntu0ath1> yup
[21:42] <dominic_> Or will i have to do the update-manager -d thing?
[21:43] <ubuntu0ath1> If you are already on karmic just do a dist-upgrade
[21:43] <dominic_> right....whats that?
[21:43] <dominic_> lol
[21:43] <dominic_> Just System>Admin>Update Manager?
[21:43] <XDevHald> Who knows how to change the icon of an app if it's minimized in alltray or on the menu?
[21:43] <ubuntu0ath1> You open a terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[21:43] <arand> dominic_: ubuntu0ath1: afaik just a plain upgrade wilol get you to beta...
[21:43] <ubuntu0ath1> oh sorry
[21:43] <dominic_> ok
[21:44] <ubuntu0ath1> Just to be sure do a dist-upgrade. but do a sudo apt-get update ...forgot that part xD
[21:44] <dominic_> Is anyone else having the same error as me with no sound?
[21:44] <XDevHald> dominic: Remove pulseaudo and alsa, alsa-utils, reboot then re-install them from synaptic and you're good to go.
[21:44] <darthanubis> all of my partitions are not being mounted at boot
[21:45] <darthanubis> once at the desktop i have to mount -a in a term
[21:45] <darthanubis> the fstab is correct, unless maybe the uuid changed since install?
[21:45] <arand> beta-alpha-rc-final is a very rolling definition... getting from one to the other doesn't require anything more than a normal system upate normally...
[21:45] <ubuntu0ath1> Can an uuid change ?
[21:46] <darthanubis> looking into it now
[21:46] <arand> dominic_: did the links I gave you anser anything?
[21:46] <darthanubis> the partition that is not automounting is an lvm partition. how do I get the uuid of that partition?
[21:47] <ubuntu0ath1> fdisk -l
[21:47] <ubuntu0ath1> ?
[21:50] <zniavre> blkid ?
[21:50] <darthanubis> thats it
[21:50] <darthanubis> blkid
[21:50] <ubuntu0ath1> Never knew that such a thing existed xD
[21:51] <robin0800> ubuntu0ath1: its new
[21:53] <dominic_> arand: no
[21:53] <dominic_> lol
[21:53] <dominic_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282461/
[21:53] <dominic_> Thats my error thingy
[21:54] <arand> dominic_: I know, and the links seemed to have the same error, but if you say not... I have no further ideas...
[21:55] <dominic_> I dont really know, arand, but the first one applied to 9.04, and sound worked fine in 9.04
[21:55] <darthanubis> the uuids are correct. Guess i'll search to see if there is a bug
[21:56] <jemark> my x3100 video card didn't have hardware accerelation anymore with the latest update
[21:56] <arand> dominic_: just because it's jaunty doesn't mean the error must be different...
[21:56] <dominic_> i s'pose...
[21:56] <dominic_> But i dont really understand what its saying, so i couldnt tell you if its the same
[21:57] <dominic_> all i know is that it doesnt restart proeprly
[21:58] <Rods_Tiger> I thought Karmic Ubuntu Netbook Remix was supposed to start up quickly? It's been starting up pretty much all day and it still hasn't got past the loading screen - I'd say this is too slow.
[21:59] <ubuntu0ath1> When will gnome 2.28 come to karmic ?
[21:59] <XDevHald> Do the repos have an icon maker/editor?
[21:59] <arand> Rods_Tiger: hmm, yea I had problems booting on a recent liveCD as well.
[21:59] <rsk> ubuntu0ath1: already done
[22:00] <arand> XDevHald: yea, hang on...
[22:00] <XDevHald> Need to make an xpm icon for firefox
[22:00] <XDevHald> thanks arand
[22:00] <ubuntu0ath1> rsk: good :)
[22:00] <robin0800> ubuntu0ath1: Its already here
[22:01] <XDevHald> Yep, check it at System > About Gnome
[22:01] <arand> XDevHald: kiconeditor?
[22:01] <jemark> ubuntu0ath1: it's already in karmic
[22:01] <ubuntu0ath1> Thanks for the info guys, I haven't booted in ubuntu in one day.
[22:01] <robin0800> XDevHald: Tried gnome-shell yet?
[22:02] <ubuntu0ath1> I'm waiting to reformat some of my partitions, but I am waiting for the beta livecd to come out
[22:02] <darthanubis> xfs not mounting correctly at boot > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8028006
[22:02] <Martyn> yep, same ehre
[22:02] <XDevHald> arand: I have gnome, try to stay away from KDE
[22:02] <Martyn> I switched from xfs to ext4 for that reason
[22:02] <darthanubis> I think that is it! My lvm partiton is xfs
[22:02] <XDevHald> robin0800. Do you use it?
[22:02] <dominic_> Also of note is that i get a load of errors when i boot
[22:02] <dominic_> something about "failure to load profiles"
[22:02] <dominic_> Does anyone else get that?
[22:03] <darthanubis> yup
[22:03] <dominic_> darth - was that directed to me?
[22:03] <robin0800> XDevHald: Tried it, is very fast to switch but couldn't get compiz to work with it
[22:04] <ubuntu0ath1> Gotta go guys. Have a nice night
[22:04] <arand> XDevHald: or just use inkscape: http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/creating-icons-with-inkscape-a-basic-workflow/
[22:04] <XDevHald> robin0800: Installing it now, thanks for the heads up.
[22:05] <XDevHald> arand: Very nice find. Thank you.
[22:05] <arand> XDevHald: oops, borken loink it seems
[22:06] <XDevHald> arand: it's ok I found it in the repos
[22:06] <robin0800> XDevHald: could only run it with alt+f2 and gnome-shell --replace
[22:07] <XDevHald> Hmm
[22:07] <arand> XDevHald: http://sidux.com/index.php?module=Wikula&tag=InkscapeIconBasicsEN there's the correct link to the tutorial..
[22:07] <XDevHald> Thanks arand, that's better :-)
[22:08] <tsoncul> Hi everyone, is it a bug when the ubiquity slideshow talks about Firefox 3?
[22:08] <tsoncul> Shouln't it be 3.5?
[22:08] <bwallum> I like the title 'may' break your system, I thought that's why we all got onboard, to ride the surf, crash and burn, then recoverO:-)
[22:09] <XDevHald> robin0800: Yeah I see what you mean
[22:10] <jawbber> Hello guys! Did anyone of you noticed that your sound card got muted after installing karmic koala alpha 6 ?
[22:11] <bwallum> jawbber: yea, you need to set up your Profile for duplex, millions of bug reports
[22:11] <arand> tsoncul: I'm not sure, since 3.5 is a subset of the 3 release...
[22:11] <jawbber> bwallum: I already got my sound card to work so no worries anymore :P
[22:11] <tsoncul> arand: Technically, yes, but Firefox itself made a big deal out of iy
[22:11] <tsoncul> it*
[22:12] <bwallum> jawbber: that was quick
[22:13] <dominic_> jawbber
[22:13] <dominic_> i did
[22:13] <dominic_> I dont have sound
[22:13] <dominic_> jawberr: how did you get yours to work?
[22:14] <dominic_> Also, does anyone get loads of errors when they start up saying things about 'Profile couldnt be loaded' or something like that?
[22:14] <dominic_> As in, during the boot process?
[22:15] <bwallum> dominic: what hardware do you have? Is it AC'97 compliant?
[22:15] <arand> tsoncul: true.. and I guess 3.5 is g.onna be the one sticking in KK... Well you could always report a bug/wishlist about it, I'm not to fussed about either 3 or 3.5 to be honest.
[22:15] <dominic_> bwallum: ill find out
[22:16] <XDevHald_> robin0800: Yeah that crashed my xorg lol
[22:16] <XDevHald_> Froze it to 100% CPU and had to do a manual shutdown.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> am I the only one
[22:16] <BUGabundo> earing little pongs
[22:16] <BUGabundo> on notify osd ballons ??
[22:16] <BUGabundo> this is ANOYING
[22:17] <arand> BUGabundo: sound?
[22:17] <bwallum> dominic: I took out gamix before I got mine nice and stable
[22:17] <robin0800> XDevHald_: Trying to run compiz you mean?
[22:17] <xuser> updates made my system unbootable! yay!
[22:17] <dominic_> bwallum:  nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP)
[22:17] <dominic_> afk
[22:17] <BUGabundo> arand: yes
[22:17] <BUGabundo> a very low but still anoying sound
[22:17] <bwallum> I'm on AMD64 though
[22:17] <XDevHald_> I disabled compiz robin0800 and it still did the same thing
[22:17] <jawbber> dominic_: sry I was away
[22:18] <arand> BUGabundo: dunno, I run it in VBox with no sound...
[22:18] <jawbber> dominic_: you still have sound problems?
[22:18] <bwallum> dominic: should be sound (excuse pun)
[22:18] <dominic_> Yep
[22:19] <bwallum> I run an nForce2 machine and sound is fine
[22:19] <dominic_> Still have sound problems
[22:19] <jawbber> I only noticed that my sound did not work after installing alpha 6 then I went to sound preferences and unchecked the mute
[22:19] <jawbber> and then it worked
[22:20] <dominic_> ohhh
[22:20] <dominic_> Its not muted
[22:20] <bwallum> dominic: there are still bugs in pulseaudio but you can really make it worse by trying to configure with gamix and PA at the same time, real mess
[22:20] <dominic_> i checked for that
[22:20] <dominic_> is sound preferences under system>preferences?
[22:21] <bwallum> dominic: right click the apeaker icon
[22:21] <bwallum> speaker
[22:21] <dominic_> Mute isnt checked
[22:22] <bwallum> Under the Hardware tab, what Profile do you have?
[22:23] <dominic_> Hardware tab has nothing
[22:23] <bwallum> dominic: mmm, can you select Stereo Analog Duplex?
[22:24] <dominic_> in hardware tab?
[22:24] <dominic_> bwallum: there are no devices under hardware tab
[22:24] <sburwood> anyone have news on Karmic and is it something that can work on my Pentium4 at 2.4Ghz?
[22:24] <dominic_> justa  blank box
[22:24] <bwallum> yes, appreciate when you said nothing you might literally have nothing
[22:24] <dominic_> [22:25] <dominic_> sorry abbout the [22:25] <bwallum> Is gamix running?
[22:25] <dominic_> my cat walked on the keyboard
[22:25] <dominic_> gamix?
[22:25] <sburwood> and where can I see news about it? or is it premature?
[22:25] <tsoncul> sburwood: Karmic Beta will be out shortly
[22:26] <sburwood> thx, tsoncul
[22:26] <bwallum> System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager and search for gamix
[22:26] <tsoncul> sburwood: Probably tomorrow
[22:26] <dominic_> Its release date is the 1st october
[22:26] <tsoncul> sburwood: I'm on alpha6 now, and it's pretty stable.
[22:26] <XDevHald_> That is Beta Freeze
[22:26] <bwallum> If it's there deselect it
[22:26] <sburwood> and for the final version on Oct 29?
[22:27] <tsoncul> sburwood: I think so
[22:27] <sburwood> I don't know ... I've had 8.04 and 9.04 and have had problems with both.
[22:27] <XDevHald_> The Release Candidate was done on Oct 22nd, you might want to see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[22:27] <jemark> tsoncul: for me the alpha 6 is booting with error messages and there is no 3d accerelation anymore.
[22:27] <sburwood> 7.10 and 8.10 work fine ... is that normal?
[22:27] <XDevHald_> Is oing to be done on*
[22:27] <XDevHald_> going*
[22:27] <dominic_> installing gamix now
[22:27] <jemark> tsoncul: so i re-installed jaunty...
[22:27] <tsoncul> sburwood: No idea if that's normal...
[22:28] <bwallum> dominic:uninstall gamix, sorry if I confused
[22:28] <sburwood> ok.  Here where I am, it's night.  Good night
[22:28] <sburwood> bye
[22:28] <tsoncul> jemark: I have a pretty barebones netbook, so not much problems..
[22:28] <tsoncul> sburwood: Take care.
[22:28] <bwallum> dominic: so gamix wasn't loaded then?
[22:28] <sburwood> u2
[22:29] <jemark> tsoncul: and installed gnome-shell?
[22:29] <tsoncul> jemark: UNR
[22:30] <dominic_> I've installed gamix
[22:30] <myk_robinson> hey, guys. Do nay of you have information about the Totem crash on exit? Is there something that I can do to fix this, or just need to wait on an update for the application? Thanks
[22:30] <bwallum> dominic: sorry, you may have been heads down, you don't want gamix installed
[22:30] <tsoncul> myk_robinson: which release are you using?
[22:31] <myk_robinson> tsoncul: Karmic with updates run a few hours ago. Totem version is 2.28.0
[22:31] <dominic_> lol bwallum: thats ok
[22:32] <tsoncul> myk_robinson: Yep, stillbroken
[22:32] <bwallum> :)
[22:32] <evan_> does anyone have the bluetooth mouse?
[22:32] <evan_> an*
[22:32] <myk_robinson> tsoncul: as long as its not just me, that's fine. Thanks, I'll install VLC and use it until Totem is repaired
[22:32] <bwallum> dominic: have you fully updated your system?
[22:32] <tsoncul> myk_robinson: Totem had a bunch of problems since I got on Karmic, I'm thinking someone is working on it...
[22:32] <dominic_> yep
[22:32] <dominic_> did that a couple hours ago
[22:33] <dominic_> gamix wasnt loSWS
[22:33] <bwallum> dominic:have you rebooted since the last update
[22:33] <dominic_> *LOADED
[22:33] <dominic_> bwallum: yep
[22:34] <dominic_> Soz for caps
[22:34] <bwallum> jawbber: I'm stumped, can you help dominic please?
[22:36] <domjohnson> Thats better
[22:36] <bwallum> how do you do that!
[22:36] <domjohnson> use the /nick command
[22:36] <bwallum> o
[22:36] <domjohnson> for me, it was /nick domjohnson
[22:37] <stumped> yoo
[22:37] <bwallum> nice to know who you are i guess
[22:38] <bwallum> domjohnson: I'm out of ideas, sorry
[22:38] <Rods_Tiger> Karmic Ubuntu Netbook Remix has been in the process of starting up all day and it still hasn't got past the loading screen.
[22:39] <domjohnson> bwallum: thats ok
[22:39] <domjohnson> I should go to bed now
[22:39] <domjohnson> G'Night
[22:39] <bwallum> g'night
[22:40] <hggdh> OK. As usual, I am probably late. Any critical issues today on +1? Like grub2 failing to boot?
[22:42] <evan_> hggdh, macbook?
[22:42] <hggdh> no, amd64 "normal" laptop
[22:43] <hggdh> lost grub2 this morning...
[22:46] <evan_> hggdh, ok use supergrub bootdisk to boot and fix
[22:46] <evan_> anyone experience in bluetooth mouses?
[22:47] <hggdh> evan_: thank you, but already fixed, by a boot via daily server CD, removing --purge grub2 & friends, rm -rf /boor/grub, and resintalling the beast
[22:47] <evan_> heheh ok
[22:48] <hggdh> and after a looong fsck -c -f on all the partitions :-(
[22:52] <SlimG> Any knowlege of what is causing the Karmic release delay? critical bug discovered?
[22:53] <tsoncul> SlimG: there is no delay, as far as I know.
[22:53] <Twigathy> yer...wot? It's not due for release 'till October 29th
[22:53] <Twigathy> 9.10 -> 2009, october ;)
[22:54] <tsoncul> SlimG: The Karmic Beta should be out tomorrow or the day after.
[22:54] <SlimG> ah :) "in my face!" :)
[22:54] <Twigathy> hehe
[22:54] <SlimG> selfburn etc.
[22:56] <SlimG> Well, I'll atleast get a good head start at nagging for the release :)
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> Hello there!
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> Is anyone else having trouble using ubuntu-bug?
[23:03] <darthanubis> anyone care to run some phoronix benchmarks?
[23:03] <darthanubis> The package is in the repos
[23:03] <darthanubis> Compare these results against your Linux PC. Run phoronix-test-suite benchmark anubis-26404-23098-25010 and wait for the results (with comparative numbers) to appear. It's as easy as that!
[23:08] <voidmage> so it turns out sometimes update-manager crashes before it does update-grub and i boot into a jaunty kernel in karmic
[23:08] <voidmage> which is why my sound wasn't working yesterday
[23:08] <voidmage> :P
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> !info phoronix-test-suite
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> darthanubis: it requires openjdk. I have proper java installed manually and dont want to screw it up with some package
[23:25] <darthanubis> oh
[23:25] <legend2440> how do i get into the grub2 menu? Esc is not working
[23:26] <Crashbit> legend2440: edit your /etc/default/grub file
[23:26] <legend2440> Crashbit: ok thanks
[23:28] <Ian_> pff so little updates today!
[23:28] <Ian_> :p
[23:28] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: For what it's worth, openjdk _is_ the proper java now.
[23:29] <RAOF> What with Sun open-sourcing Java and all.
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: not native 64bit java
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> its probably some nspluginwrapper thing
[23:30] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: What are you talking about?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: if you use the 64bit bin file you can use the 64bit java from sun
[23:31] <RAOF> Aaah.  You're talking about a browser plugin.
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: indeedy
[23:32] <Nattgew> I'm trying to load the pciehp module... but it says it's not there... is there some other module I should be looking for?
[23:34] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: "There is only one alternative in link group mozilla-javaplugin.so: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so"
[23:35] <connex> I get Device or Resource busy when trying to insert a module using modprobe
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: i dont use firefox, its so bloated with flash
[23:37] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: So what browser do you use?  Everything uses NSAPI plugins.
[23:37] <pwnguin> wget and emacs, duh
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: Chrome
[23:38] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: ...which uses that plugin.
[23:38] <RAOF> Everything uses firefox plugins.  De-facto standard.
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: http://pastebin.com/m7f9e9759
[23:40] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: Yes?  You don't have the openjdk packages installed; I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have some of the same file paths!
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: not if you symlink the jave .so file in chrome plugins folder you dont need any ofd that rubbish
[23:40] <bucky> that's what update-alternatives is for
[23:41] <RAOF> You don't need any of the java runtime for the java plugin?  I'm sceptical :)
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: http://pastebin.com/d398249c9
[23:41] <RAOF> Even if you didn't, I wouldn't really care.  50MB worth of disc space is worth less than the time taken to figure it out.
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: i like small and punchy
[23:42] <Nattgew> dmesg says the module is being loaded...
[23:42] <Nattgew> [    0.534562] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4
[23:42] <Nattgew> but it won't recognize my card reader...
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: is there any output pertaining to the reader if you plug in a card, wait 10 seconds then run: dmesg | tail
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: trust me, you dont need any of that stuff to get java ;) plus its fun to get installs small yet effective
[23:43] <RAOF> ActionParsnip: We obviously have different definitions of "fun" :)
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> RAOF: true, but im mainly out but when i'm on my system i like to tweak and prod
[23:46] <Nattgew> ActionParsnip: no, it shows nothing
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: hmm not good
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: is it in a laptop?
[23:47] <Nattgew> yes
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: what make / model?
[23:47] <Nattgew> laptop or card?
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> laptop
[23:47] <Nattgew> dell inspiron 1525
[23:48] <connex> i am getting this error trying to add it87
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: just websearching
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> Nattgew: looks like you need the sdhci module
[23:56] <Nattgew> loaded that module, still nothing