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Gumbydoes anyone here know where the 'empathy' IM client goes when minimized?00:30
RAOFTo the notification applet.00:30
test34mine stays in the task bar00:32
test34if I close it it doesnt go in the notification applet, and I don't know how to bring it back (the process is still running)00:35
Gumbyhrm, mine doesnt go to the notification applet and it does not go to the taskbar either.  I have to go to the applications menu and reopen empathy.  It just brings the previously opened session up, but other than that, there is no way of getting it back that I can see00:36
XDevHaldIs it possible to downgrade Nautilus?00:42
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itsjaredsXDevHald: Why? If you absolutely must downgrade, you can install nautilus from source. I don't see a reason to as this may cause problems00:46
XDevHaldIt's not for me, it's for a member on the forum with 9.0400:47
itsjaredsWell you could try installing an older version of nautilus from source00:49
iflemacan ya not use alt e.g thunar or dolphin00:50
Daihe said downgrade, not "replace with an entirely unsuitable alternative" :)00:51
iflemawooo00:51
Daithough to be fair, thunar is mostly suitable as an alternative.00:51
iflemaeye of the beholder00:52
NoCodeHas the intel HDA sound issues been fixed yet?01:04
ActionParsnipNoCode: works here just fine01:10
NoCodeI tried karmic a while ago, the volume kept on messing right up. Especially the volume keys on my laptop and sound applet. The sound would increase very loudly with the slightest adjustment.01:12
NoCodeNot sure if it's still doing it01:12
ActionParsniptry a live cd or usb install to test01:14
TronicAt least on HP laptops the volume keys are very bad in Ubuntu.01:14
itsjaredsDoes anyone know how to install AWN on Karmic?01:14
NoCodeYeah, I'm going to get the latest alpha, and do a LiveUSB install01:14
TronicIt doesn't help that the buttons on the hardware suck, but once they finally react to your presses, the adjustment is extremely rapid.01:15
TronicAnd laggy, so Ubuntu keeps flashing that volume bar for a while after you release the button.01:15
ActionParsnipitsjareds: sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator01:15
TronicNot sure if this is already fixed in Karmic, haven't used the buttons for a while.01:15
iflemakarmic beta in couple of days01:15
iflemapeoples01:15
TronicAnother volume control issue is that the mute button does not actually mute the device, but apparently just powers off its opamps.01:16
itsjaredsActionParsnip: Oh! Heh, I tried all the other combinations except for avant-window-manager01:16
itsjaredsthanks01:16
ActionParsnipitsjareds: apt-cache search avant   would show it01:17
itsjaredsYeah i didn't know the full name was avant, I searched for awn01:17
TronicThe result: the sound stops only a little while after the mute is activated and it goes very distorted before fading out.01:17
ActionParsnipitsjareds: suprised it didnt show01:17
VossSo when are we gonna see a beta?01:27
ActionParsnip!releaseschedule01:27
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about releaseschedule01:27
ActionParsniphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule01:28
Voss!releaseschedule01:28
Lars_GOne month to go, do you think it's time enough?01:33
Lars_Gto fix it all?01:33
aboSamoorany help with slow booting 60+ seconds !01:33
aboSamoor?01:33
Lars_GI still have so many power troubles :( I wonder if I should dig deeper and report01:33
RavenkinSo did the update today nuke anyone's install besides mine?  Apparently everything in my boot folder is gone, can anyone help me with that?01:33
Lars_GRavenkin: mione's still there01:33
ActionParsnipRavenkin: sudo update-grub01:34
RavenkinWell there is nothing in my boot folder, and I have an encrypted drive and can't get to my stuff.  It starts to boot up and after it prompts for the encryption password scrolls passed some stuff and then just sits there doing nothing, any help?01:35
Lars_GBut now when I start, gnome (netbook remix) hangs up while starting01:35
Lars_Gso I need to restar gdm and relogin01:35
hardylI have 1,000 files in Rhythmbox assessed and many radio stations adopted  - and now I can't transfer my settings to another account - I'm desperate01:39
hardyljust copy /home/USER/.gnome2/rhythmbox don't do it01:41
pwnguinlemme check my bash history01:42
pwnguinhardyl: its .local/share/rhythmbox01:43
hardylItry ... thnks01:43
hardyl I'll try ... thanks01:43
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hardylpwnguin: did it ... it work's ... you win a free download of ubuntu karmic :))01:48
pwnguini'd rather have a free download of banshee trunk for karmic ;)01:49
pwnguinsay what you will about mono, but at least banshee downloads my podcasts01:50
hardylI have no idea what a "banshee trunk" is ... sounds funny01:50
hardylURL?01:51
pwnguinbanshee is like rhythmbox01:52
pwnguin"trunk" is jargon meaning the latest development snapshot of the sourcecode01:52
hardylk01:52
pwnguin1.4 is packaged in ubuntu already, but the 1.5 branch has a rhythmbox importer01:53
hardylI'll have a eye on it01:53
hardyl<pwnguin> banshee hav a lot dependencys ... so far I'll keep the standard apps ... I try bunshee after the release02:01
hardylbunshee > banshee02:02
pwnguinyea02:03
pwnguinmono is big02:03
hardylmay the power with mono02:04
hardyl;)02:04
Lars_Guh uh UH AH AH AH AH AH UH!!!!02:04
* Lars_G smears a banana in the wall02:04
hardyl:-x02:05
Lars_Gbtw those are monkey onnomatopoeia in spanish, IDK the ones you use in the us02:07
Nitsugaeek!02:08
RavenkinI'm getting failed to fetch when I do a sudo apt-get can anyone help02:10
Lars_Gupdated the repos?02:12
virtualddid apt recently get a lot faster?02:18
XDevHaldvirtuald: I have noticed myself that it pulls 2mbps on downloading.02:19
XDevHaldI average 800kbps on my download.02:20
luboszmaybe the repos are waiting for some more karmic users to get slower ^^02:45
test34Anyone else have this problem with empathy where it doesn't show up in the Notification Area ?02:48
XDevHaldtest34: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/43412102:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 434121 in empathy "no notification area for new empathy update" [Undecided,Invalid]02:51
test34XDevHald,it says that the status of this bug was changed to invalid.. that doesn't seem right02:53
XDevHaldtest34: If you uncheck "Use message indicators" in the notification tab in preferences, it will display the icon.02:55
XDevHaldThis message was proposed to the bug reporter by Ken VanDine who issued the option.02:56
XDevHaldRight-click on the notification area, then goto Preferences, you will see the Use Message Indicators02:56
S33K3Ri'm using a 4mbps DSL connection. can anyone please tell me how i can tweak my karmic to maximise my connection?02:56
XDevHaldtest34: My apologies, this will be done in Empathy02:57
test34XDevHald, yes that fixed it but I just don't see why that show/hide the icon02:58
test34ok02:58
XDevHaldSo this did fix the issue with the icon showing?02:58
XDevHald*Not02:58
test34yes it did show the icon, but I dont know why the icon has anything to do with that checkbox02:59
test34"Use message indicators"02:59
XDevHaldThis relates to the script notifying the application to send it self to the notification area.03:00
test34not very clear03:00
luckyonehello all - any ideas why xsplash is taking 100% of cpu on boot?03:00
test34I understand what you said, but the default should probably show it in the notificationa area (and the checkbox should probably say something idfferent)03:01
S33K3Ranyone please?03:01
luckyoneit seeems to just sit there, hung03:01
XDevHaldtest34: Agreed, but this is how the development has been published.03:01
XDevHaldFor further support on this you can see: #ubuntu-bugs03:02
XDevHaldThey will assist you on the issue with this confusion.03:02
test34thanks XDevHald03:02
XDevHaldYou are very welcome test3403:02
bjsniderS33K3R, no tweaking necessary03:16
luckyoneis acpi being deprecated in karmic?03:16
luckyonesomething is telling my netbook to suspend when ac_adapter.present toggles03:17
barberioHi. Anyone awake, and able to help with NetworkManager issues?03:31
iflemaissue?03:31
barberioKeeps clobbering /etc/network/interfaces set ifconfigs to deconfigure the interfaces.03:32
barberioAttempts to set up NetworkManager aren't working, as any time I edit an interface in it, all my changes are reset to the defaults.03:33
luckyonebarberio: I was having that issue last night03:33
barberioHow did you resolve it?03:33
luckyonenot sure that I did03:33
luckyoneI was trying to hardcode an IP address so I could reconfigure my router03:33
iflemabarberio: setup how?03:34
luckyoneended up having to use my work laptop03:34
barberioiflema: This box needs a static IP, and is to use it's own DNS.03:34
luckyonebarberio: Yeah, I couldn't set a static IP last night03:35
luckyoneit would crash NetworkManager, then when I would re-open, changes were gone03:35
barberioNetwork Manager seems to be a world of hurt if you don't want to use dchp. There needs to be a much easier path to remove it, and go back to hand written configuration for networking interfaces.03:36
barberioI can't seem to do that anymore!03:36
luckyonedoes it overwrite changes to /etc/network/interfaces when you make them manually?03:36
barberioNo. It just deconfigures the interface.03:37
luckyonesnap-foo03:37
luckyonewell beta is out in two days :)03:37
barberioHow do I disable NetworkManager, and prevent anything else from re-enabling it?03:38
barberioIt seems to be a upstart managed thing now... but there's no apparent exposed management of that.03:39
XDevHaldbarberio: System > Administration > Startup Applications > Select the network manager and delete it from the startup. This is one way of doing it.03:42
iflemabarberio: do you try to edit the dhcp (auto whatever) or do u delete and start fresh?03:42
barberioI've tried editing it, I've tried deleting it from fresh, I've even apt-get purged it and deleted the config directories in the user dir and /etc/03:43
iflemawhile editing at the network man gui.... do you add mac address03:44
barberioTried that. Still doesn't work.03:44
iflemaalpha6?03:44
barberioDid an apt-get update recently.03:45
iflemak03:45
RAOFI actually found setting a static IP in network manager quite easy; what' sfailing for you?03:47
iflemaHER HER03:47
iflemaE E03:47
iflemaM03:47
iflemaWORKS WELL03:47
iflemalo03:47
iflemal03:48
barberioRaof: It doesn't save the changes to it's config files.03:48
RAOFHm.03:48
iflemagui format a little odd but does function03:48
RAOFWell, I haven't tried it in the last couple of weeks, and there have obviously been some changes to network-manager.  Presumably there's a bug to be filed.03:49
RAOFBut when I did try it, it was as easy as "edit the connection, change DHCP to static, add all the info, save"03:50
barberioAnd *something* has aptitude convinced it has to install network-manager.03:50
iflemathings that make ya go hmm03:50
RAOF"aptitude why" suggests that ubuntu-desktop Recommends: network-manager-gnome, which depends on network-manager; you should be able to remove it if you really want to.03:51
barberioActually, my local aptitude's dependancies cache was screwed up.03:55
barberioI just cleared a little loop.03:55
barberioIt was installing network-manager to satisfy a dependancy needed by network-manager.03:55
barberioNow to reboot it just to test that it's truly pulled out all trace of NM, and left me with hand written network confs03:57
barberioWe still need the equivalent of a 'big red button' to push to tell NM that it does not manage this or that interface.03:58
RAOFbarberio: It (should) have one already; anything you manually configure in interfaces.03:59
barberioApparently not.03:59
RAOFIf that's not working, there's another bug to file :)03:59
RAOFWelcome to the alpha :)04:00
iflema:)04:00
barberioEverything else has been working fine for me... except for Network Manager...04:01
barberio620 bugs filed against NM... Do I really feel up to checking each of those to see if it's a duplicate issue...04:03
nick125Hrm...just curious, has the new GDM theme been implemented?04:06
barberioYes. Just saw it.04:09
nick125Hmm. It's still not showing up for me :(04:10
barberioIt's now brown.04:11
iflemalol04:12
BluesKajbrown and orange cartoons :)04:12
nick125It looks like plain GTK to me04:12
BluesKajcouldn't resist04:12
BluesKajanyway , nite folks , sacktime here04:13
DanaGgrr, every time I try to alt-f2 to open something that's on my ntfs partition, I get:05:01
DanaGbash: Documents/bioengineering.doc: cannot execute binary file05:01
abarbacciahey my volume applet disappeared recently from the tray. is this a known bug / how can i restore?05:07
abarbacciasorry, that sounded like a newb question - it's not in the applet list which is why i cannot add  it back05:08
luckyoneI find it strange that nfs-common doesn't come included with ubuntu05:13
luckyoneis nfs not the standard way to share files on linux systems, is it not the best?05:14
abarbaccialuckyone: there are several different ways and from my understanding, when you go to "share" it lets you choose which option and ensures the proper packages get installed.05:15
abarbacciabetter question for #ubuntu as this is mainly for dev05:15
luckyoneabarbaccia: hmmm... I am talking more from the consumer of a network share05:16
abarbaccialuckyone: true, dunno about that one05:17
luckyoneabarbaccia: for instance, the ability to browse samba shares is built in, but mounting an nfs share requires an apt-get install of nfs-common05:17
luckyonegood night all05:18
mjbrooksespecially quiet in here tonight05:49
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wahnfriedenwhat this?05:54
wahnfriedenthank05:57
bullgard4How to persuade Karmic to print on virtual console #1 more startup messages than by default?05:58
sageNsandUsing Empathy in a IRC chat room for a while the scroll bar gets relative short. I notice the chat room screen stops rolling upward and the scroll bar starts to creep upward and that means I can't see the most recent text posted in the room, I have to keep dragging it down to see the new posts. I can select clear from the menu but in a short time it starts creeping up again. This also happened with Pidgin in my 9.04 box. Has anyone experienced06:05
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DKcrosshello people06:53
DKcrossany idea about the problem with notes06:53
DKcross?06:53
Adapterhi @ all06:53
DKcrossstickynotes06:54
kielanmatthi07:15
kielanmattwhy didnt my kernel upgrade from 27 to 3107:15
nhasiankielanmatt, did you do a dist-upgrade?07:21
iflemaDKcross: no big deal.... tis an alpha07:22
eagles0513875!php07:25
ubottuPHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. A command-line only version can be installed in Ubuntu with the "php5-cli" package. See also !lamp for integrated server PHP. The Ubuntu server PHP5 guide is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/php5.html07:25
eagles0513875!info php07:25
ubottuPackage php does not exist in karmic07:25
popey!info php507:25
ubottuphp5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu4 (karmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB07:25
eagles0513875popey: is the suhosin security package included as a dependency now for php on kubuntu07:26
vegai just run an upgrade and updated packages were: libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 network-manager tasksel tasksel-data. Now it says i need to reboot, exactly which one of those requires a reboot and why??07:26
popey!info php5-suhosin07:27
ubottuphp5-suhosin (source: php-suhosin): advanced protection module for php5. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.28-1 (karmic), package size 71 kB, installed size 224 kB07:27
voidmagevega: probably network-manager to make sure it's restarted07:27
eagles0513875popey: i dont think thats right07:27
voidmageI noticed the new human and human-clearlooks themes replaced the window icon with a generic menu button. How can I get the window icon back?07:27
popeyeagles0513875: you don't think what is right?07:27
eagles0513875voidmage: there is an update for it today btw for nm07:27
vegavoidmage: "make sure", it cannot be restarted without a reboot .. ?07:27
eagles0513875popey: that its optional07:27
vegathis starts to resemble windows more and more..07:28
popeyeagles0513875: surely that answers your question then?07:28
vega"boot just in case"07:28
eagles0513875nm popeyits suggested07:28
eagles0513875vega: not sure if he means to restart the network via script /etc/init.d/networking restart07:28
popeyit doesnt mean anything other than what it says, restart the machine07:29
kielanmattwhat if i have old grub?07:29
popeyand it would be sudo service NetworkManager restart07:29
popeykielanmatt: upgrade it?07:29
kielanmattmkayy07:29
kielanmattwhre is the grub file07:30
kielanmattsorry for asking07:30
popeywhat do you mean "grub file"?07:30
kielanmattmenu.lst or something07:30
popey /boot/grub07:31
kielanmattthx07:31
kielanmattkernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=f16668c5-69ff-4367-87c5-c4cca0aa1c0d ro quiet splash vga=79507:31
kielanmattinitrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic07:31
kielanmattdo i just change the numbers to 31-1107:31
popeyno07:32
nhasianwhoops that would be a problem07:32
popeydon't edit that directly, what happens if you run sudo update-grub  ?07:32
nhasianif you already have downloaded the newer kernel, type "sudo update-grub"07:32
kielanmattthx07:33
vegawell if it says "need to restart, do it now or later" i think it's quite clear07:33
kielanmattforgot about hta07:33
vegabut anyway, i think it's not necessary, there seems to be more and more booting nowadays07:33
nhasianthis may be a silly question, but is there not a way to change the sound effects?  (via a gui i mean) Like startup, shutdown, messages, etc07:34
veganhasian: system -> preferences -> sound ?07:35
nhasianvega, thats where i first looked but I dont see any way of changing sound effects.07:35
vegahm, only seems to be on/off type selection07:35
vegawell, who wants those sounds anyway :)07:36
nhasianvega, the main reason is because empathy which is the default IM client now will not playback any sound effects unless they are selected in gnome-sounds07:36
nhasianand since gnome-sounds doesnt have a section for empathy sounds, the upshot is that empathy is dead silent.07:36
vegasounds like a bug07:37
nhasianI get no audible notification when an instant message arrives, or a file transfer waiting, or a video conference attempt07:37
nhasianits not a bug with empathy.  its a bug with gnome-sounds07:37
vegaperhaps this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubuntu-sounds/+bug/400485 ?07:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 400485 in ubuntu-sounds "Empathy sounds not in default ubuntu theme" [Low,Confirmed]07:38
oldude67i wonder why with lxde desktop i have to always reload alsa to get my sound working after a reboot?07:38
nhasianhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/40048507:38
nhasianoops you beat me to it07:38
vega:) importance "low" seems a bit underestimated..07:39
nhasianholy crap as of yesterday no work is done on it?07:40
nhasiani dont care how polished and feature rich empathy is, without sound notifications it is useless to me07:41
nhasianwho do I need to talk to to get the ball rolling on getting sound effects for empathy in gnome-sounds?07:43
iflemapoor pidgin07:47
nhasianI guess i need to talk to whoever is in charge of the default Ubuntu Sound Theme07:53
darthtuv0khttp://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=785730508:35
darthtuv0ksudo modprobe w83627ehf force_id=0x886008:36
darthtuv0kFATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.31-6-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): Device or resource busy08:36
darthtuv0kThis does not work on 9.1008:36
voidmageIs anyone else having trouble getting snd-hda-intel ICH9 to work?08:37
aprilharehey09:17
aprilharehas anyone tried their webcam and found it no longer works?09:17
aprilharei previously used the 2.6.31 kernel with jaunty and it worked - but under karmic i get this weird distorted useless video from my webcam09:18
aprilharethis is using the cheese application09:20
dns53has anyone got a fix for the network manger dns problems?09:23
sageNsandUsing Empathy in a IRC chat room for a while the scroll bar gets relative short. I notice the chat room screen stops rolling upward and the scroll bar starts to creep upward and that means I can't see the most recent text posted in the room, I have to keep dragging it down to see the new posts. I can select clear from the menu but in a short time it starts creeping up again. This also happened with Pidgin in my 9.04 box. Has anyone exp09:25
sageNsanderienced the same?09:25
eagles0513875dns53: wired or wifi09:26
dns533g,  i was at work connected to wired, i suspended and connected my 3g and no dns server is configured09:27
eagles0513875dns53: im no help there thought it was on a laptop or something09:27
eagles0513875after todays update wired and wifi work fine in regards to dns and everything09:28
dns53keep the ip of opendns's servers in a text file09:31
eagles0513875to be honest never worked with opendns i use my isp dns09:32
aprilharegfloppy is missing from karmic? hmmm09:32
eagles0513875!info gfloppy09:35
ubottuPackage gfloppy does not exist in karmic09:35
eagles0513875!gfloppy09:35
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about gfloppy09:35
eagles0513875aprilhare: guess it has been removed :(09:35
CyberZet:)09:35
aprilharegnome-utils offers it09:35
aprilharebut... it's already installed...09:36
CyberZetGFloppy is part of Gnome09:36
aprilharegnome-utils is part of gnome09:36
CyberZetyea :)09:36
aprilharereinstalled. still no gfloppy09:36
CyberZetPeople are still using Floppys in the 21st century?09:37
CyberZetamazing!09:37
aprilharegnome-utils is missing lots of stuff. its size has gone down from 4.7 MB in 2.26.0-0ubuntu1_amd64 to 835.3 kB in 2.28.0-0ubuntu1_amd6409:51
aprilharenot just gfloppy methinks.09:52
dns53maybe09:54
aprilharecheck it out for yourself dns5309:55
dns53what tools are in there, i don't remember needing it09:56
aprilharehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/amd64/gnome-utils/2.28.0-0ubuntu109:56
bullgard4How can I get more startup message output on my virtual console #1 when booting?”10:07
bullgard4I swiched the splash screen off, of course.10:07
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AnAntanyone knows how I can take a screenshot of xsplash ?10:09
dns53in the kernel line in grub/lilo you get rid of quiet10:09
AnAntsudo fbgrab -c 7 /tmp/g.png , but that didn't work10:09
dns53AnAnt run ubuntu in a virtual machine?10:11
floatinghow many hours til beta release10:25
robin0800floating: 24+10:30
joaopintofloating, if you are impatient just download and test the beta iso10:32
robin0800joaopinto: not sure you can get a beta iso yet?10:35
joaopintoyes you can, for testing, if critical problems are found it will is the final beta iso yet10:35
joaopintorobin0800, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/10:36
robin0800joaopinto: link?10:36
joaopinto...wil not be...10:36
Amaranthdon't give that out to everyone...10:38
AmaranthMost people aren't interested in helping to test the beta, they just want shiny10:38
joaopintoAmaranth, well, the description is clear, if people choose to ignore it that's another issue :)10:40
Amaranth...10:40
eagles0513875betas out tomorrow isnt it :)10:40
eagles0513875!info flea10:40
ubottuPackage flea does not exist in karmic10:40
eagles0513875!flea10:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about flea10:40
floating:>10:40
Amaranthjoaopinto: And if those people kill the server and the release is delayed because it can't get testing?10:40
joaopintothere was a call for iso testing, there aren't that much results10:40
joaopintoAmaranth, if that is the case, there was a fundamental infrastructure error, it's preferable to have a delayed tested release, to an untested one because there was no infrastructure available10:41
joaopintoAmaranth, there was a public call for iso testing on planet ubuntu in case you didn't see it10:42
joaopintoI mean, fundamental infrastructure planning error10:42
joaopintoanyway I was not advocating to advertise the isos, just suggesting that it could and should be tested :)10:43
ActionParsnip1yo yo yo10:44
joaopintohi ActionParsnip110:45
floatingi can't wait for the lubuntu, I wonder if it is possible to choose the desktop environment during the installation, and then just manualla remove/install apps ?10:46
floatinglike install that beta tomorrow with lxde somehow ?10:46
ActionParsnip1floating: there is a Lubuntu testing ISO if yuo wish10:47
ActionParsnip1there are bugs with the installer10:47
floatingoh10:47
floatingI know about one testing iso which is only a live cd where the installer doesnt work10:47
floatingand someone on the lubuntu room said that the installer is not really implemented10:48
ActionParsnip1floating: http://download.lxde.org/lubuntu-9.10/10:48
floatingyeah, those are not installable10:48
ActionParsnip1floating: true but its very good with RAM so the livecd runs quite hansomly10:48
ActionParsnip1floating: you can use tools to put the ISO on a USB ;)10:48
eagles0513875!usb | floating10:49
ubottufloating: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent10:49
floatingok,tx, i might try..10:50
ActionParsnip1does anyone know the alternative to keyserver.ubuntu.com please10:56
TheInfinityActionParsnip1: any keyserver you want11:00
TheInfinitythey are all synced11:00
ActionParsnip1sweet11:02
ActionParsnip1thanks, used pool.sks-keyservers.net11:02
ActionParsnip1they should just change keyserver.ubuntu.com into a load balancing server for the other key servers, makes sense11:03
eagles0513875ya took ages to upload my key till i did it by using a txt file which i then uploaded to the  server via website ActionParsnip111:04
xguruis everything on par for the beta version tomorrow?11:04
ActionParsnip1xguru: been 100% fine here since alpha 211:04
xguruyea iv been alright... minor stuff like cups hanging and upgrade uninstalled users and groups...  but i think the release is due out tomorrow11:05
xgurukinda wondering what will be in the beta that isn't in alpha 611:06
joaopintoxguru, if you have alpha+updates enabled, nothing new11:06
joaopintoand it should be mostly bugfixes and final artwork11:07
xgurupre-releases is checked, but i don't see anything to check for "alpha-updates"11:08
eagles0513875xguru: there is pre released and im guessing it would be unsupported updates as well that u would need to check11:09
xgurui should be good then, thanks11:10
Adapter!universe11:12
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories11:12
joaopintoxguru, if you are running alpha, regular updates are alpha-updates :)11:12
xgurumake sense...11:13
rippswth, the replace epiphany with epiphany-webkit, and now that it's broken, it won't allow me to install epiphany-gecko.11:25
virtualdcan i move the notification bubbles?11:56
virtualdit feels too low on the screen, i want it one bubbles height higher up11:56
vigoWhat is the recommended or suggested GUI firewall front end for IP tables? I am on Edbuntu Karmic (sorta) and Gaurddog was suggested, but I cannot get it to function?12:20
vigoIs Gaurddog still supported?12:33
joaopintovigo, there is no official gui as far as i know, try gufw12:35
iflemapretty sure guarddogs a kde kinda thing12:35
amortvigilI FOUND A WAY FOR KARMIC TO BOOT ON A MACBOOK12:35
iflema!firestarter12:36
ubottuUbuntu, like any other linux  distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Uncomplicated_Firewall_ufw), or 'iptables' (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo). GUI applications such as Firestarter/Gufw (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE) also exist12:36
xguruamortvigil: how?12:37
vigojoaopinto: Thank you, have GUFW  so I will just purge/remove Gaurddog.12:37
amortvigilxguru, i made an grub.efi image in the efi partition12:37
xguruahh..12:37
xgurui gotta go to class right now, but i hope to catch up with ya later12:38
janc_neoyay, karmic daily put on an USB stick boots on this old NeoWare thin client  :P12:38
vigoThat is neato, cup of Ubuntu for amortvigil.12:38
xguru:)12:38
amortvigilthanx i may start a forum topic on what i did :)12:38
vigoAnd a cup for janc_neo. wheee12:39
joaopintohum, sox is not installable12:39
vigoamortvigil: I am certain that would or could be a great help and such for many others, I thank you.12:40
Dr_Willissox installs here.12:40
vigosox?12:40
Dr_Willis!info sox12:41
ubottusox (source: sox): Swiss army knife of sound processing. In component universe, is optional. Version 14.3.0-1build1 (karmic), package size 89 kB, installed size 216 kB12:41
vigooh yeah, that one, I like playing with that one.12:41
vigoSo I will ditch Guard Dog now,then re-read the GUFW man.12:43
vigoI thank you kindly.12:43
bullgard4How can I determine what driver drives my wireless LAN card? See http://pastebin.ca/158584812:53
vega-dmesg | grep eth1 might reveal something12:57
Pici`bullgard4: as will sudo lshw, in the configuration line it shows the driver12:59
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larsemilis bash completion broken for apt-get ?13:08
bullgard4vega-: '~$ ~$ dmesg | grep eth1' does not produce any output.13:11
joaopintoflash plays sounds nice, other apps will hang or crash, any ideas ?13:13
amortvigilis vigo gone :(13:15
Dr_Willislarsemil:  it works here.13:15
larsemilDr_Willis: strange13:16
amortvigilhi foAD13:16
bullgard4Pici: Where do you find the name of the driver in http://pastebin.ca/1585891?13:21
sindhudweepI can't seem to get pbuilder to build a package that I obtained via apt-get source. Could someone give me a hand?13:24
sindhudweephttp://pastebin.com/d4ec46bb613:26
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slacker_nlanybody having troubles connecting to the ubuntu keyserver?13:33
slacker_nlcan't upload my key..13:34
Picibullgard4: Line 12: driver=ath_pci13:34
slacker_nlsindhudweep: /home/sreyan/.pbuilderrc does not exist13:35
slacker_nlthink that is an issue13:35
sindhudweephmm13:36
sindhudweepany notes on where i can find an example .pbuilderrc?13:36
slacker_nlsindhudweep: http://pb.opperschaap.net/5013:36
joaopintoany ideas how installing the flash player package would disable sound for other apps ?13:36
slacker_nlsindhudweep: there are some nice vids from dholbach on videos.u.c about packaging13:36
sindhudweepthanks slacker_nl.13:37
slacker_nlsindhudweep: np13:37
joaopintouff, no idea how whyt it happend, but is fixed13:42
joaopintohad to reset my .pulse dir13:42
BluesKajGood Day folks13:42
joaopintosomething must have musted the sound for other apps in the pulse config13:42
joaopintomuted13:42
joaopintogrrr, now there is no mixer, and the volume keys don't work13:44
BluesKajjoaopinto, try purging pulseaudio and reinstalling13:46
joaopintothere is something wrong, o have no sound on nonflash again13:47
BluesKajreboot in between13:47
joaopintothe flash plugin is changing the pulseaudio config somehow13:47
joaopintoBluesKaj, will try13:48
BluesKajaudio isn't enabled in your browser falshplugin13:48
joaopintoaudio does play on flash, but on nothing else13:49
joaopintobreb, purged and reinstalled PA13:49
BluesKajno joaopinto , reinstall after boot up13:50
slacker_nljoaopinto: running kde or gnome?13:51
joaopintook, i have sound now13:54
joaopintolet's try flash13:54
joaopintoeverything seems fine now13:55
BluesKajjoaopinto, I think it just needed to re-activate the kernel module.13:55
joaopintoBluesKaj, what triggered the problem ?13:55
BluesKajuhmm. so called updates , maybe13:56
joaopintothey should take care of config changes, if that was required13:56
BluesKajthere seems to be quite a few botched kernel module updates lately13:56
joaopintook :|13:57
BluesKajbut that's whay we're here I guess , to help find the bugs :)13:58
BluesKajwhy13:58
joaopinto:)13:58
Dr_WillisI got a cricket chirpping in my room. behind a dresser....13:59
Dr_Willisloud thing...13:59
amortvigilis gpg working there?13:59
amortvigili get keyserver errors13:59
kaddi!upgrade14:04
ubottuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading14:04
slacker_nlamortvigil: had the same issue seconds ago14:06
slacker_nlamortvigil: but it worked for me a couple of secs ago14:06
slacker_nlamortvigil: keep trying ;)14:06
kaddiis there a reason against modifying the sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade for upgrade to karmic?14:08
hifisome packages are removed or replaced which is not handled correctly with apt-get nor aptitude14:09
hifiuse do-system-upgrade as it's there for a reason14:09
hifisorry, do-release-upgrade14:09
kaddiok, the upgrade-instructions only mention upgrading through adept-manager. which for me is neither displaying fetch updates nor version upgrade. :p I'll try do-release-upgrade then. :)14:10
amortvigilslacker_nl, bij mij ook :P, same here14:12
slacker_nlamortvigil: hehe, ok dan14:12
amortvigilslacker_nl, whoops this is not the native channel language lol :P14:13
hifikaddi: also you need to use -d switch for it to upgrade before actual release14:13
amortvigilwhy aint you in the dutch channle slacker_nl?14:13
slacker_nlamortvigil: uhm...14:13
slacker_nl;)14:13
kaddithanks ;)14:13
BluesKajwhat about dist-upgrade?14:14
kaddiBluesKaj: you're asking me?14:14
BluesKajno it's rhetorical .. a suggestion14:15
aprilharewhats wrong with asking in a non-native channel when you can speak the language?14:16
aprilhareyou get more opinions then, ask away :)14:16
kaddihehe. :p hifi said some packages would not be updated properly. And do-release-upgrade saves me from actually looking up the sources and check if all of them are the same in karmic then they were in jaunty14:17
joaopintoaprilhare, the other people don't unsterstand you, and that is rude14:17
dschulzhi all14:17
joaopintosudo apt-get dist-upgrade manages new/remove packages14:17
aprilharejoaopinto: i said if you can speak the language, i assume this means to the level where you can make yourself understood14:17
dschulzthis is kde specific, but i'll try anyway14:18
dschulzanyone noticed weird font rendering in kdm running karmic?14:18
BluesKajaprilhare, it's just courtesy to ask in the language of the channel so others can benefit from the questions and answers14:18
joaopintoaprilhare, what about the other people which does not know the language ?14:18
BluesKajjoaopinto, then join the chat of that other language14:19
aprilharejoaopinto: i'm afraid thats life. sometimes people speak a language and sometimes you don't. it's the old tower of babel problem14:19
JanCaprilhare: I think what he meant to say is "Why aren't you /also/ in the dutch channel"14:20
aprilhareoh ic14:20
mbeierldschulz: gdm here, but I know that there's been some changes in the karmic detection of DPI settings - it's back to 96 dpi and might cause changes in font rendering...14:20
aprilharewell it's up to him what channels he joins and where he asks his question :) sometimes people who speak multiple languages feel comfortable asking questions in different languages. native is just the first language you speak14:21
aprilhareyou shouldn't be boxed in by what your native language just happened to be14:21
Amaranthaprilhare: Doesn't change the rules14:22
aprilhareAmaranth: oooo rules14:22
aprilharegood think i only speak english :)14:23
aprilhareheh14:23
aprilharething rather14:23
AmaranthThe main problem is we have no idea what you're saying14:23
mbeierland there I thought that was an accent joke ;)14:23
aprilharei'd be smothered in rules otherwise14:23
kaddiyou aren't allowed in here unless you're native language is english?14:23
kaddiwhat kind of rule is that?14:23
Boohbahgood tings mon14:23
dschulzmbeierl: thanks, that's enough for me :)14:23
AmaranthBut it may be something offensive and other people in the channel may know what you're saying and be offended14:23
Amaranthkaddi: The only language for this channel is english14:24
mbeierldschulz: np14:24
aprilhareAmaranth: you run the risk of any language you speak of being rude in it.14:24
BoohbahAmaranth: is Jamaican English English or a patois?14:24
aprilhare*including* native language14:24
Boohbahare irc operators also trained linguists?14:24
AmaranthBoohbah: slang is not allowed ;)14:24
aprilhareBoohbah: hell yeah14:24
aprilharelol14:25
Amaranthaprilhare: But if you're offensive in english I can ban you for it14:25
mbeierlfolks, I think was Amaranth was saying is that when other languages are used, the ops can't necessarily monitor14:25
aprilhareAmaranth: dam i was gunna say 'strike me pink' heheh14:25
joaopintothere is something that doesn't need rules, it' called education and politeness, conducting a private conversation on a communication channel intentionally created for sharing, is neither educated or polite14:25
Boohbahmbeierl: that is a valid point14:25
BluesKajkaddi, it doesn't matter what your native language is , as long as you speak english in this chat :)14:25
Boohbaharen't we violating this channel's guidelines with the meta-chat?14:26
mbeierltechnically, yes :)14:26
aprilhareyay for english! the language of shakespeare and international business and trade!14:26
AmaranthBoohbah: Yes but in less busy channels it is allowed up to a point14:26
AmaranthBoohbah: The only channel where that is very strictly enforced is #ubuntu14:26
Boohbahwell, i just tried the daily chromium build for karmic, it's working excellently14:26
Amaranthindeed14:26
kaddiBluesKaj Thanks :) I must have misunderstood what Amaranth was saying then. :)14:26
AmaranthI can't go back to firefox14:27
aprilharefirefox buggy14:27
aprilharecan't use search bar in firefox karmic14:27
mbeierlor you've found something so much better you simply can't go back?14:27
Amaranthchromium is buggy, firefox is slow :P14:27
aprilharefirefox fast and buggy imho14:27
BluesKajwell, I can get by in french and swedish to some degree ,but my swedish spelling awful so i stick to what's more easily understood for me which is english. My original native tongue however is swedish14:28
aprilhareBluesKaj: is it true that many european countries virtually speak english as the de facto second language? was told this was especially true of belgium14:29
BluesKajchromium was ok for a while but began to get really slow after a while14:29
BluesKajaprilhare, english is my first language because i understand it best of all ..I gew up in Canada after emigrating as a 4 yr old child :)14:30
aprilhareBluesKaj: you're lucky :) although canada is a nice place..14:31
BluesKajaprilhare, tes to to your question , especially in Scandinavia14:31
BluesKajyes14:31
aprilharewell then english is virtually your native language anyhow14:31
BluesKajyup14:32
Amaranthaprilhare: firefox is slow as molasses after using chromium14:32
aprilhareAmaranth: i just want the firefox bugs fixed14:32
kaddiit is not particularly true for romanistic countries like France and Spain though.14:32
Amaranthaprilhare: chromium takes 1 second or so to load, firefox takes several14:32
BluesKajAmaranth, is chromium fixed ?14:32
Amaranthaprilhare: pages tend to just "pop" on the screen with chromium while you can visibly see them rendering with firefox14:32
graingertheya14:32
AmaranthBluesKaj: It's fast and my user scripts work14:33
BluesKajAmaranth, it was taking ages to to load , altho it was snappy once loaded14:33
AmaranthBluesKaj: never saw that14:33
Amaranthoh, it also imported all my bookmarks, history, saved passwords, and saved forms from firefox perfectly14:34
AmaranthOnly thing I had to do was click sign in again on sites because it didn't import cookies14:34
aprilharenight14:34
BluesKajAmaranth, yes I experienced that as well , but it was still slow to load alot of pages IMO14:34
AmaranthBluesKaj: It does slow down if you have more than 5 or so loading at once14:35
AmaranthBluesKaj: but who does that regularly?14:35
Amaranth(firefox slows down when that is happening too)14:36
SlimGAny knowlege regarding the release of Ubuntu Moblin Remix along with the main 9.10 release?14:39
puffinmanHi guys14:41
kulight!karmic14:41
ubottuKarmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+114:41
puffinmancan anyone tell me when Karmic beta is due out?14:41
kulight!beta14:41
ubottuIf you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.14:41
PiciWhen its done.14:41
puffinmanlol....14:41
PiciI'm serious.14:41
puffinmanso no time frame then? I heard it was due out Nov 114:41
puffinmanor Oct 3014:41
Pici!schedule14:42
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule14:42
puffinmanThanks for that14:42
puffinmanhmmm I want it already~14:42
puffinman!14:42
nemoAgh.  a day or two after suspicious flickering of video card on boot14:43
nemo(someone else here had it too)14:43
kulightif your running the alpha you prbably alredy running the beta ver14:43
nemomy vid card appears dead14:43
nemovertical red lines on boot.  vertical $ on text console, utterly corrupted noise in gdm and eventual kernel crash14:44
nemoI know that sort of thing can happen to vid cards on their own. timing seems a little odd though14:44
puffinmanprobably karmic's fault14:45
puffinmando yourself a favour, nemo, go get a copy of Win 714:45
kaddio.014:45
puffinmanlols14:45
* puffinman awaits flmae14:46
gamla_kossanhi people14:48
gamla_kossanhow come the new release of ubuntu will ditch pidgin in favor of empathy?14:48
kulightgamla_kossan: they pu it back there///14:49
kulight///=...14:49
gamla_kossanoh, you mean pidgin is back in?14:49
kulightgamla_kossan: yes. for now at least14:50
gamla_kossanyey14:50
gamla_kossan=)14:50
kulightgamla_kossan: any way you can install it very eazily from repo's14:51
gamla_kossanyeah14:51
gamla_kossanwas a bit curious though14:51
kulightit was installed with the updates about a week ago...14:52
gamla_kossansooo........ think I should take the risk and update my current 9.04-system to karmic alpha? =)14:52
kulighti dont know. but im running karmic since alpha 314:54
kulightits stable enough for me14:54
gamla_kossan=)14:54
Hatlhi! i updated my kubuntu to 9.10. now i have the following error: http://pastebin.com/m25361f7b any suggestions?14:54
SlimGgamla_kossan: Empathy is using the new Telepathy framwork in Gnome, Pidgin doesn't use a framework, framework is good -> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7493/1.html14:56
gamla_kossanah14:56
gamla_kossanthanks SlimG14:56
gamla_kossan=)14:56
SlimGnp, It seems like the Empathy client needs a bit more polishing before it can replace Pidgin14:57
gamla_kossanah14:58
SlimGAnd as I understand: It will replace Pidgin completely some day14:59
gamla_kossanhehe, my colleague just showed me that pidgin stores all your passwords in clear text..15:00
Victor1Hey, I'm finding that DNS lookups (Browser says "Looking for www.example.com", etc.) are running15:00
Victor110-20 times slower on karmic than on jaunty. What's up here?15:01
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SlimGVictor1: Maby you've got both IPv6 and IPv4 running?15:01
nemogamla_kossan: they have a FAQ explaining that15:02
nemogamla_kossan: obfuscation is worse than useless15:02
gamla_kossanhehe..15:02
nemoonly reasonable approach is something like Firefox's Master Password15:02
gamla_kossan++15:02
kaddikarmic still uses firefox 3.0 and not 3.5? or did they only download it because it's installed on my jaunty system?15:03
nemogamla_kossan: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Libpurple#Whyarepasswordsnotencrypted15:03
nemohttp://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords15:03
Victor1SlimG: AFAIK I'm not. How would I check?15:03
SlimG!ipv615:04
ubottuFor an introduction to IPv6 and information on tunneling IPv6 through IPv4 connections, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6 | To disable IPv6 see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv415:04
Victor1SlimG: Clarifying slightly, this is a desktop, not a server. Not sure if that was clear...15:04
gamla_kossannemo: thanks =)15:05
SlimGDoesn't matter afaik, both IPv4 and IPv6 were enabled by default in previous Ubuntu versions15:06
nemogamla_kossan: my client, centerim, also stores in the clear15:06
nemofor same reason15:06
nemoI've actually found that convenient in past, where I've forgotten it15:06
SlimG!ipv6 | Victor115:06
ubottuVictor1: For an introduction to IPv6 and information on tunneling IPv6 through IPv4 connections, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6 | To disable IPv6 see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv415:06
Victor1SlimG:According to those instructions, ipv6 is disabled.15:09
SlimGVictor1: Mkay, then I'm out of ideas15:09
mbeierlI can't believe that I'm saying this but I find myself having to install emacs 'cos gedit just won't load a file with non-printable ascii in it.  It keeps wanting to know the locale, but this is NOT a UTF-8 file :(15:10
JanCempathy stores passwords in gnome keyring, which is similar to what Firefox does...15:10
nemombeierl: gvim :)15:11
nemombeierl: set locale to "C"15:11
nemombeierl: or use --encoding="C"15:11
Victor1SlimG:Any ideas as to what's up with it?15:11
mbeierlnemo: unfortunately I'm just more familiar with emacs than gvim... ;)15:12
SlimGVictor1: Have you tried to check the pingtime to you DNS?15:12
nemoJanC: yep. encrypted, with master. reasonable approach15:12
nemombeierl: those 2nd two were for gedit, not gvim15:12
mbeierlnemo: oh!15:12
gamla_kossannemo: well.. tbh, I think they're a bit wrong. storing the passwords in cleartext just beacause IM in itself isn't a very safe way of communicating, well..15:12
gamla_kossanI don't buy it.15:12
nemogamla_kossan: what flaw is there in their reasoning?15:12
Victor1SlimG: No. I can try that though.15:12
nemogamla_kossan: did you read all the way through?15:12
gamla_kossanno =)15:12
gamla_kossanmeeting coming up :/15:13
nemogamla_kossan: ok. well, since you're of the new generation which has attention span of a mayfly... as they noted obfuscation is worse than useless, and deceives users into false sense of security15:13
nemogamla_kossan: please read it though15:13
nemoTLDR15:13
gamla_kossan=)15:13
nemombeierl: personally I find gvim more user-friendly than gedit :D15:14
JanCwell, obfuscation helps to fend off or slow down most people, but won't stop a clever criminal15:15
mbeierlnemo: I'll have to give it a try...15:15
nemoJanC: you didn't read it either I see ;)15:15
JanCnemo: I don't need to, I hope  ;)15:15
nemoJanC: and btw, Firefox does obfuscate their passwords by default if people don't set a master password.  Several times on firefox support I've had people come by saying all their passwords were given out by firefox15:16
gamla_kossannemo: well, I think I they're missing something. given how many people encrypt their /home-partition (not so many) it would buy some time if the password file itself was protected by a master password.15:16
nemoJanC: no. their machine simply had gotten a worm that swiped them all and automatically unobfuscated15:16
nemogamla_kossan: yes. a master password *would* help15:16
nemogamla_kossan: the trivial obfuscation most clients do is, as they said, worse than useless15:16
nemosince neither JanC nor gamla_kossan seem to be inclined to reading before pontificating, I will cut and paste for you15:17
gamla_kossanah, well yeah, no disagreement there15:17
nemo"But surely something is better than nothing, right?"15:17
kaddiand there is no file protection what so ever on windows pre-XP. Which means password is accessible for anyone with access to the PC15:17
nemoNo. When a Pidgin user looks at her accounts.xml file, she can tell immediately that it's a sensitive file and should be15:17
gamla_kossannemo: it's been a long day ;)15:17
nemotreated as such. When an application attempts to 'trick' the user into thinking its passwords are secure by obfuscating it15:17
nemoin some way, the user assumes it's safe.15:17
nemothe above is the heart of the issue15:17
nemoHaving our passwords in plaintext is more secure than obfuscating them precisely because, when a user is not misled by a15:17
cpihello.. one question: has anybody of you got an iscsi disk running with the current karmic alpha 6 desktop install cd? the changelog says its supported since alpha4 but i can't find any options anywhere...15:17
nemofalse sense of security, he is likely to use the software in a more secure manner.15:17
nemoIt is an absolute fact that people will share their accounts file, with their supposedly safe passwords, even in very public15:18
nemoplaces:15:18
TrizicusI'm on Alpha 6 and xmms2d freezes when playing songs (mp3s) quite often (6 times today) how can I report this bug with the errors?15:18
nemoTrizicus: is it using pulseaudio? :)15:18
Trizicusyes15:18
* nemo prefers audacious over xmms2 personally15:19
Trizicusidc what I use tbh lol15:19
Trizicusi actually like the way xmms2 is done15:19
wekt!bug15:19
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots15:19
TrizicusIs audacious cli or gui?15:20
gamla_kossangui15:20
Trizicusi'll try it15:20
gamla_kossanvery similar to xmms215:20
Trizicusi just want something small form factor :)15:20
Trizicussorta looks like winamp lol15:21
gamla_kossanyup15:21
gamla_kossan=)15:21
Trizicuspractically is winamp lolz15:21
nemoxmms was written because winamp didn't exist for linux15:22
nemoit could use winamp skins15:22
nemohas grown a lot since then though15:22
Trizicusi know that much lol15:22
Trizicusreal shame that they wont make winamp for linux15:22
gamla_kossanhow odd, ubuntu is aiming to use both apparmor and selinux?15:22
Trizicusb/c it's built off the dirty M$ libs lol15:22
nemoTrizicus: anyway, I've had a ton of pulseaudio problems that cause apps to lock up or crash or stuttering sound at regular intervals, so I tend to blame it a lot :-p15:22
nemoTrizicus: I don't see it as any great loss. what winamp provides is more than adequately covered by the many audio programs for linux15:23
nemoaudio and video15:23
TrizicusOkay so pulseaudio regularly has problems basically?15:23
JanCaudacious is a gtk-port of xmms1, xmms2 is something entirely different15:23
nemoJanC: that's rather WRONG15:23
JanCgtk2-port15:23
nemoJanC: most of audacious is a complete rewrite15:24
nemoJanC: including the underlying core15:24
JanCnemo: by now, maybe, but it still uses xmms1 plugins15:24
nemoJanC: only with rewrite15:24
nemoJanC: most of the bindings changed15:24
nemoJanC: but the porting is a bit easier than w/ what xmms2 chose to do15:25
Trizicusso let me make sure. Nothing better than vlc correct? lol15:25
nemo(basically hitch their pony to the gnome sound arch)15:25
Dr_WillisTrizicus:  i tend to use vlc or gmplayer, or smplayer15:25
Trizicusanything better than brasero?15:25
Dr_Willisdepends on your needs.15:26
Dr_WillisI use k3b for my burning needs.15:26
* Dr_Willis has found winamp grown entirelly too big for the job its supposed to do... :) but thats OT...15:26
Trizicusyea on windows i'd get light version etc15:27
Trizicusit's bloated15:27
Dr_Willis1000000 themes.. all of them rather nasty. :)15:27
Dr_Willisand shall i point out it took me all of 10min to compile xmms  on 9.04 :)15:27
Trizicusrarely lags though lol15:27
Dr_Willisive rarely had any sound issues under linux. but your mileage may vary15:28
Trizicusis there a way to 'autoclean' your system (besides apt-get)?15:28
JanCunfortunately xmms1 has known unfixed security issues AFAIK... (unless somebody fixed them by now?)15:28
Dr_WillisJanC:  no idea.. on my home lan.. i doubt if its an issue15:29
Dr_WillisNot even sure what the security issue was.15:29
JanCDr_Willis: well, maybe a specially crafted mp3 you downloaded can take over your PC?  :P15:29
* Dr_Willis phears the mp3 viruses15:30
Dr_WillisI bet winamp has no security issues at all......15:30
Trizicusbut the os it's on does lol15:30
Dr_WillisIts only been in BETA ever since it was released... :)15:31
* Dr_Willis sticks with streamtuner and tunapie :) and audacious15:31
JanCevery application has security issues15:31
TrizicusBesides on Winamp classic on windows to this date there is still one bug that is not fixed15:32
Trizicusit's the masking of the player and showing all other windows bug lol15:32
Dr_Willis!info tunapie15:32
ubottutunapie (source: tunapie): Lists audio and video streams from Shoutcast and Icecast. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.17-1 (karmic), package size 46 kB, installed size 332 kB15:33
Dr_WillisI noticed the other day - i couldent get 'miro' working on 9.1015:33
nemoTrizicus: I wouldn't blame xmms2 or audacious for the sound problems. not unless you eliminate the sound dæmon first15:35
nemoDr_Willis: MP3 is truly a hideous format15:35
nemoDr_Willis: and for a similar reason to HTML IMO15:35
nemoway too many people encoding it badly15:35
nemoputting all sorts of trash in it15:35
nemoand the players are expected to parse it all15:35
nemoDr_Willis: that's as a total aside from the limitations of the encoding itself :)15:36
amortvigilhello has anyone get global menu to work?15:49
tech404how is the move to upstart scripts going? are people seeing a lot of regressions?15:53
Dr_WillisHmm...15:54
Dr_Willisas far as  i know.. we have been using Upstart for the last 2-4 releases15:54
Dr_Willisnot sure where that 'changed to upstart'  line i saw in the changelog.. actually means15:54
tech404well we have been using the old init scripts with upstart to ease transition15:56
* sunshinepants likes upstart15:57
tech404so while we have been using upstart for a while we have not been using the advanced functionality all that much.15:57
Dr_WillisI cant say that ive noticed any transision.. but ive not really paid attention.15:57
Dr_Williscant say that ive ever had any upstart issues either. :)15:58
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tj83_anyone have ideas on dual monitor set-ups to have the splash not be centered between the two displays but rather centered on each display? i'm digging the new look, but hate its chopped in half :(16:14
Dr_WillisI find the new look ugly. :)  and that aspect of it also ugly...16:16
Dr_Willisbut im old-skool i guess...16:16
mbeierltj83_: wish I knew...16:19
tj83_mbeierl, well, i think i am gonna try a stab at figuring it out.... maybe can just manipulate the images16:20
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mbeierlactually for me it's the gdm that's  the real problem - it uses virtual desktop the size of the two monitors, panning on the first only16:21
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Dr_WillisI dont see that problem here.16:23
Dr_Willisusing nvidia + twinview16:23
Dr_Willisgdm sppears totally on the first/primary monitor16:23
tj83_mbeierl, not sure i understand... yea, i use nvidia and "twinview" mode combines to give me a virtual desktop 3360x1050 (2 22") but it seems to work well. what do you mean panning?16:23
Dr_Willis after an UGLY wallpaper that has teh words Ubuntu right in the borders of both monitors. :)16:23
tj83_Dr_Willis, mine  has like part of "Ubuntu" on one and part on the other, since i have kinda wide framed LCD's this is not appealing16:24
Dr_WillisI find that wallpaper rather Ugly to begin eith. :)16:24
mbeierltj83_: I had to manually edit my xorg.conf to get twinview working - maybe I borked that, but when gdm starts, it gives me a virtual desktop the size of the two monitors, entirely displayed only on one monitor.  when I move the mouse off the side, the desktop "pans" to follow the mouse16:24
Dr_WillisHmm. i dont have that issue mbeierl  heres my xorg.conf16:25
tj83_mbeierl, i would rebuild new xorg and use nvidia-settings to try again16:25
Dr_Willispastebinit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf16:25
Dr_Willishttp://pastebin.com/f1fdb455916:25
Dr_WillisIts amazing how minimal xorg.conf has gotten over the years. :)16:26
mbeierland mine...16:26
nemoSooo, whether it was Karmic that contributed to it or not16:26
mbeierlsorry - installing pasebinit...16:26
nemoI guess I'm getting a new video card16:26
* tj83_ is using ver 185 nvidia river btw16:26
nemoATI or nvidia?16:26
mbeierlhttp://pastebin.com/f485b94e516:26
tj83_nvidia no doubt nemo16:26
mbeierltj83_: Ah, yes!  I'm a laptop so I need to toggle quickly between two and one monitor16:27
mbeierltj83_: so I have meta modes for the display configs that I like and use xrandr to switch between them16:28
MartynIs anyone here successfully using Ubuntu One under Karmic?16:28
nemotj83_: right now I have a geforce 7300le - looks like that sells for about $30 these days16:28
MartynOr is the 'invalid login' / 'login error' still an issue?16:28
mbeierlMartyn: nope: I still have the login prob16:28
Martyn*nod*16:29
tj83_nemo, i dont do too much.... but i use a 9500GT 1gb ddr2, not much either, but it does all i need it to16:29
* Martyn goes back to reporting bugs with xsplash16:29
Martyndid we finally decide if it was worth adding the splash graphic back into grub2?16:29
nemotj83_: ah. that looks like it is $4816:29
nemoon pricewatch16:29
Martyn(or just having a 3-4 second blank screen is OK)16:29
nemotj83_: that's with just ½GiB though16:29
MartynI got a GeForce 230 card for $99 through a sale on NewEgg16:30
nemotj83_: hm. and a refurb...16:30
nemough16:30
MartynThere are still great bargains on nVidia cards out there, just keep looking16:30
nemogiven what just happened to my card I'm disinclined to try refurb16:30
* DanaG likes how ATI lets you just plain use xrandr.16:31
nemoDanaG: hm. good point there16:31
nemoDanaG: I'm using an ATI at work right now, and it seems to be doing rather well16:32
nemoRadeon HD 467016:32
nemoDanaG: and no mucking about w/ separate config tool16:32
nemohmmmm16:32
DanaGtoo bad git.freedesktop.org is unreachable right now.  I can't try the new r600 kms (I've already got the kernel, but now I need the userspace.)16:33
* DanaG has a Mobility HD3650.16:33
* DanaG goes off to try the new splash.16:33
nemoDanaG: I'm using the ATI driver of course16:33
DanaGsame here... fglrx 8.660.16:33
dhuvhello all16:36
dhuvI am using karmic Alpha 6 and had a question about how to get Xorg.conf so I can customize it to enable 3D accel for my Radeon 9600.16:37
DanaGodd... upon rebooting, when xsplash disappears, it displays uninitialized memory for a while... that happens to contain whatever was last on my desktop at time of shutdown.16:38
Dr_WillisHmm the 9600 uses the  ati or radeon driver now i think.16:38
nemoDanaG: oh. are you having problems too??16:38
nemoDanaG: granted, totally different video card, but...16:38
dhuvDr_Willis: ati is a wrapper for the radeon driver16:39
Dr_Willisive tossed all my ati related. :) so im just repeating what ive heard..16:39
Dr_Willis9600 should be using the built in drivers automatically16:39
dhuvI can see in the xorg.log that ati and radeon arr loaded16:39
DanaGhmm, what's supposed to be gdm's background now?16:39
dhuvDr_Willis: it is using them, I just want to enable 3D accel16:39
dhuvand power managemenent16:39
Dr_Willisits possible it dosent have those features yet.. Unless youve seen some special tweaks to enable them16:40
doktoreashello everybody..do the 9.10 package wil be released tomorrow?16:40
Dr_Willis!schedule16:40
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule16:40
doktoreasthx Dr_Willis16:40
Dr_WillisBeta 1 is scheduled for tomorrow i belive.16:40
doktoreasso I'll do the upgrade tomorrow16:41
dhuvDr_Willis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#Accelerated%203D%20support%20%28r300,%20r400%20and%20r500%20series16:41
Dr_Willislovely when pastes/urls have %20 and %28 in them. :)16:41
dhuvscroll down and you will see the section on configuring xorg.conf16:41
Dr_Willis You sure the 9600 is included in the R300/r400/r500 series?16:42
rsk9600 is r200 or r30016:43
rskjust out of memory16:43
Dr_Willis600 / rv350 or rv360 based cards16:43
Dr_Willisis what that url says..16:43
Dr_Willisalso says they have 'good 3d support' :)16:44
Dr_Williswhich aparently is not true  from, what dhuv  says16:44
robin0800dhuv: the problem with that is one no xorg.conf file by default and many if not all tweaks make it slower now16:44
dhuvrobin0800: even enabling 3D and dynamic clocks?16:46
dhuvjust enabling dynamic clocks would be enough so atleast I save power16:46
DanaGargh, it's silly that the gdm background doesn't match the xsplash.16:47
DanaGThus, you end up with a jarring black text boot ->  brown xsplash -> bright orange gdm -> brown xsplash -> back to orange, or perhaps uninitialized memory -> desktop.16:48
Dr_Willisthey ned to make it all Hot Pink and Lilac!16:48
* kaddi agrees16:48
arandDanaG: that's been changed by now I think16:49
DanaGwell, it doesn't flicker, but it does change, because gdm wallpaper is different.16:49
vigo28716:55
peolHey. How would I remove pulseaudio and setup my system to use alsa + esound properly? Just by purging pulseaudio and install esound seems to "fix" it.16:56
peol+not16:57
BluesKajpeol, purge pulseaudio then reinstall , reboot ..pulesaudio should work16:58
peolBluesKaj: I'm trying to remove pulseaudio completely, and have gnome using my esound daemon instead :P16:59
robin0800dhuv: can't use EAX, pageflip, dephmoves and backing store all not working now16:59
peolPulseAudio is gone, and esound + alsa works when I login, but it doesn't seem to work in other applications like songbird, it just says no sink found17:00
vigoI am not awake enough to respond, but Thank you BluesKaj, good response.17:02
vigopeol: I found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio17:04
vigopeol: From a website I just read, not official, says a bit about that.17:08
peolvigo: I know, there's a lot of resources, but it seems something is changed in karmic, pulseaudio seems more integrated with the system then before or something17:09
vigopeol: Yes, it is and it seems to be, as I stated I have seen much discussion on that.17:10
vigopeol: Here is the website I just looked at, is not really clean coding, but addresses esound and pulse,http://www.khattam.info/2009/09/09/solved-sound-problem-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-4-due-to-pulseaudio/17:11
ytco92hello17:12
ytco92i am on karmic, and i can't hear anything (i mean music)17:12
peolvigo: I'll have a looksie, thanks17:12
ytco92i have watched a film 1 hour ago and it worked fine17:12
vigopeol: You are welcome, not official, so please look at Launchpad also and official Documentation.17:13
urthmoverytco92: sudo alsa force-reload17:14
ytco92o.O the windows manager crashed?17:16
ytco92ok alsa works.... but now i dont know how to start the windows manager...17:18
nicolacardinaliytco92: startx17:20
ytco92gtk-window-decorator --replace   does nothing17:20
ytco92nick125, i already have x, i am using xchat...17:20
ytco92i have the xchat window here and the terminal windows in the top left of the screen, but they wont move or anything17:21
eternal_pmorning all...did an update last night, all good but when I try to run vmware, tells me that kernel  headers cannot be found17:22
ytco92ok metacity --replace &   worked :)17:22
urthmovereternal_p: there is a kernel patch in the vmware community forum from earlier this month.  I can't find it right now  but its there and will solve your vmware install problems17:28
eternal_purthmover: naa, different issue, found the solution in the forums17:31
eternal_pthanks, though17:31
DanaGugh, for some reason, newer intel wifi drivers won't join open wifi.17:38
rsk:)17:38
rskis the driver closed? :F17:39
DanaGiwlagn is the driver.17:39
DanaGoddly enough, if i set one of my LEDs to be a TX LED, I never see any sign of any packets actually going out.17:40
DanaGand for some reason, notify-osd is saying "HOME" disconnected... even though that's not the network I'm trying to join.17:41
sewahi!, im using kde 4.3.1 (@karmic) and im using compiz (its run faster than kwin in my laptop), anyway, is a way to use native kde-window-decorator instead of emerald and gtk-window-decorator?17:42
vigosewa: Did you want to switch between KDE/Gnome?17:51
vigosewa: Did or have you tried IceWM?17:52
urthmoversewa: XFCE is another good alternative17:53
nemohttp://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html17:54
nemolubuntu uses LXDE17:54
AlanBellevening all17:56
alankilait's nice how that site trashes xfce... I also tried it and discovered it was not any lighter than gnome seemed more like a continuation of where gnome1 was going perhaps more than anything else.17:56
AlanBellanyone know when the partner repo gets populated for Karmic? http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/partner/binary-i386/Packages acroread RRadobe-flashplugin17:57
alankilahmm somehow I failed to apply a couple of commas above. Anyway, I was seriously disappointed by xfce17:57
joaopintoAlanBell, most likely after the final release17:58
AlanBellI would like to test the Alfresco package in Karmic. I have installed the Jaunty package on Karmic, but I would like to test the new one17:58
DanaGargh, my iwlagn just plain won't send or receive ANY packets.17:59
stefanlsdCould someone do me a favout pls and pastebin /boot/menu.lst18:01
stefanlsd*favour :)18:02
DanaGAuthentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.18:05
DanaGargh!18:05
geniistefanlsd: There is no standard /boot/grub/menu.lst  file from which to go by. Also if you have grub2 from a default karmic install, it will be instead grub.conf but that is generated by values elsewhere18:05
drs305* grub.cfg18:06
geniidrs305: Sorry, yes18:06
stefanlsdgenii: ooh. ok. thanks. i see grub.cfg18:06
drs305!grub218:07
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub218:07
mac_v!schedule18:11
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule18:11
atrusis it correct that the indicator applet only shows new mail if evolution is open?18:20
tgpraveenatrus: yuuo18:22
tgpraveenyup18:22
atrushuh. i always assumed i could use it to deterimine when i needed to run evolution. this... sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?18:22
nOStahlhi guys. karmic going through any snafoo's right now like the graphics thing couple weeks ago?18:27
simba_is installing eclipse from repo broken, or is it just me?18:33
atrusnOStahl: i find searching twitter/identi.ca for #karmic is a good way of detecting major problems :)18:33
drs305nOStahl: No major showstoppers for most users.18:34
nOStahlk18:34
nOStahli just had power outage with ext418:34
nOStahlso my jaunty install is hosed18:34
nOStahlthinking of doing karmic its close enough to launch date anyways eh?18:35
drs305nOStahl: The beta comes out tomorrow. Of course, if you get it today and do the updates you will more or less have the Beta anyway.18:35
simba_i've hardly had any problems running karmic UNR sins A2 i think. *impressed*18:38
* genii sips and thinks about the sins of A618:39
nOStahldid they ever fix the karmic installer18:44
nOStahlit wouldnt let me partition hd18:44
nOStahlhad to use alternative installer to get it to go18:44
nOStahlbrb18:45
nOStahl1back18:46
nOStahl1k so anyone know about the installer problems18:46
ChogyDannOStahl1: I always use gparted.  I don't like the new partitioner...18:46
nOStahl1how do you get past the installer script wanting to load the partitioner??18:47
* BluesKaj prays Beta is less prone to breakage than A618:47
ChogyDannOStahl1: well, I guess the installer worked better for me than that.  I did have to use it to assign / etc18:48
markl__ah cool18:49
markl__ok so whenever skype makes a noise it pauses rhythmbox until the skype noise is done; is this a bug or a feature?18:50
nOStahl1im going to use the same karmic iso i have had18:50
nOStahl1boot it up and download ubiquity or whatever its called to get the latest version18:50
nOStahl1hopfuly it'd be patched to fix the partitioner error18:50
tgpraveenmarkl__: the altest skype is supposed to integrate with pulseaudio and hence stop playing movies,songs, when a call18:52
tgpraveencomes and play it again when call ends18:52
tgpraveenso it is a feature18:52
tgpraveen*latest18:52
markl__i see, i suppose that is a cool feature for peopel who use it for calls.  what are the options for disabling this behavior?18:53
nOStahl1the installer is called ubiquity right?18:53
tgpraveenmarkl__: i guess pulse audio might have some option to disable it. why would u want to do that though?18:54
markl__because whenever someone sends me a text message it pauses my music18:54
markl__extremly aggravating18:55
markl__i would rather have it play the sound at the same time18:55
nOStahl1speaking of skype i wonder when they are going to come out with the push notifications for their ipod app18:56
nOStahl1i really need it to notify me when someone's calling and im doing other things on the ipod18:57
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tgpraveenmarkl__: mayb in skype prefernces there might be a option that says dont give sound notifications for new mssgs18:58
xuserWhy doesn't karmic uses the 64bit flash plugin?18:59
darthanubisbecause they don't want to include an alpha plugin which works flawlessly for me I might add19:00
alankilahmm so that's why my flash hasn't been crashing so much lately?19:01
alankilaI thought they finally got the 64-bit flash working. :-/19:03
xuserI have used the 64bit version on Debian without problems19:03
markl__tgpraveen: i want to hear the notifications though, i just want it to be mixed with whatever other sounds may be going on19:03
darthanubisit works but is not included because it is alpha19:03
alankilathis is unexpected sort of pragmatism. Generally it doesn't matter if the software doesn't work to the people who push an agenda of 64 bits for everything. They just see users' problems as a way to push more "support" for 64 bits19:04
tgpraveenmarkl__: HMM I SEE UR POINT19:04
tgpraveensorry for the caps19:05
alankilaand anyway, I certainly have had a large array of crashes with the 64-bit plugin, so I can't say it ever worked for me19:05
darthanubisnot one crash with the 64bit plugin19:06
darthanubisquite amazing19:06
alankilaso how could I install that one?19:06
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geniiwalkie_: Not that i know of. I usually add them as pre-up and post-down directives in /etc/network/interfaces19:08
geniiBah, misdirect19:08
cyberixMy karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope?19:13
xusercyberix: add it to the panel19:14
darthanubisindicator-applet 0.119:14
sassynhi all19:14
alankilamm, it does work now. Maybe.19:14
sassyndoes 9.10 will support xen?19:15
sassynwith kernel 2.6.31?19:15
darthanubisof course19:15
sassyndarthanubis - are u talking to me?19:16
darthanubisy19:16
cyberixxuser: Oh. I thought it was going to appear in the notification area. Thanks.-19:16
sassyndarthanubis -  but kernel 2.6.3119:16
sassynis only support domU at the moment19:16
sassynnot Dom019:16
sassynSo 9.10 can run as Xen Host AKA as DomU but not as Dom019:17
darthanubisnow I'm not sure about your specific question19:17
darthanubisand I'm too lazt atm to search for the info...19:18
sassynOK19:18
sassynIt is jus kernerl 2.6.18 include DomU support19:18
sassynDom0 is still in dev19:18
sassynSo I wan wonder of ubuntu has xenalized the kernel image?19:19
sassynof = if19:19
darthanubishttp://www.google.com/search?q=xen+ubuntu+9.10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a19:20
darthanubissassyn, from that google search it does not look good atm19:20
darthanubisBug #216176 in grub2 (Ubuntu): “Xen entries not working under grub2”19:20
sassynatm ?19:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 216176 in grub2 "Xen entries not working under grub2" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21617619:20
darthanubisat the moment19:21
sassynOK19:21
sassyngrub2 with xen is easy19:21
sassynsolved it allready19:21
sassynbuyt still runing old kernel19:21
darthanubisgreat!19:21
xusersassyn: the way to go now is kvm19:22
sassynkvm ?19:22
sassynu mean komranet?19:22
geniikernel based virtual machine19:23
sassynxuser I think xen is better19:23
sassynI test it, and use quem and Xen is much faster19:23
sassynand it is know on the kernel baseline19:24
MartynCrap19:25
MartynDid anyone update a few minutes ago?19:25
darthanubisyes19:25
rskwhat updates19:25
MartynI just did an update on my karmic x86_64 machine, and it now refuses to boot19:25
sassynhave no clew19:25
Martynsomething changed the configuration of grub2.  Bad.19:25
darthanubisI have not rebooted in 20hrs19:25
sassyndarthanubis -19:25
sassyntry to run grub make config19:26
sassynto rebuild the grub.cfg19:26
xusersassyn: red hat and ubuntu are pushing for kvm as the default virtualization19:26
Martynsassyn : First I have to boot rescue CD19:26
xuserubuntu enterprise cloud uses kvm19:26
sassynkvm19:26
sassynuse quem19:27
sassynand I really think it is not fast as xen19:27
Martynand kvm is well supported in libvert now19:27
sassynu can google xen vs kvm19:27
sassynlibvert?19:27
Martynsassyn : I can prove it's /faster/ than xen, actually.19:27
sassynI run a lot of test19:27
Martynsassyn : Half my time at work is spent testing virtualization platforms19:27
sassynBut maybe I should check it again19:27
Martynsassyn : The only place where kvm is somewhat slower, is video abstraction19:28
xuserand with kvm you don't need a modified kernel19:28
mbeierlwhat would the average user use kvm for?19:28
sassyncan u have access to the filesystem19:28
sassynnot as a loop device?19:29
Martynsassyn : It's remarkably good at abstracting network, block device access, and surprisingly even during mem alloc19:29
sassynbut u have to use qemu-image create19:29
sassynand I want DAS19:29
sassynDirect Attach Storage19:30
sassynfor all the VM machines19:30
sassynand KVm not support DAS19:30
sassynbut maybe I wrong19:30
nOStahlhey guys ubuntu is failing to mount a file system type ext4 on sda119:31
nOStahli ran a check on the hd its fine19:31
nOStahlwhat would cause that19:32
kakabateshello?19:32
simba_nOStahl, not encrypted or part of raid?19:32
nOStahlneither19:32
nOStahlgoing to try it as ext3 real quick19:33
nOStahlappears to be working...19:36
nOStahl33 percent of files coppied now19:36
nOStahlwhy would ext4 fail heh19:36
* genii sips and ponders extents19:37
evan_hi has anyone got bluethoot mouse workin?19:40
nOStahlship one to me and i'll get it working19:42
evan_nOStahl, atleast thanks for a respinse19:42
evan_sponse*19:43
nOStahlyou shouldnt have a prob getting it to work19:43
nOStahlyou paired it up right?19:43
evan_karmic detects mouse and ask for premission i accept and then nothing19:44
evan_it says failed19:44
evan_nOStahl, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/40497919:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404979 in gnome-bluetooth "[Karmic] Bluetooth mouse cannot establish parity" [Undecided,New]19:45
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=== evan_ is now known as amortvigil
vikiI have a problem with UrbanTerror on Ubuntu Karmic. Previously on Jaunty (computer is the same) it was working fine, on the Karmic it is crashing with a black screen after starting. After I need to reboot the machine... Can anybody help?20:07
erichammondIs it still true that Karmic is supposed to have "add-apt-repositories" per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine#Adding%20Launchpad%20PPA%20Repositories20:07
erichammondadd-apt-repositories is not present in the Karmic Alpha-6 build (for EC2)20:08
yofelerichammond: yes, it's in karmic20:08
erichammondWhat package is it supposed to be in?20:08
yofelerichammond: python-software-properties20:09
erichammondyofel: Thanks.  Should have used apt-file before asking.20:10
yofelbut that should be installed by default since software-properties-{gtk,kde} depends on it20:10
erichammondSo perhaps the right question is, should python-software-properties be installed on a default Karmic server?20:10
erichammond(not desktop)20:10
yofeloh, it won't be installed by default on a server20:11
erichammondyofel: ok, thanks.20:11
yofelmaybe it should though...20:11
erichammond+120:11
Anzohello everyone, i just installed karmic on a latitute xt (tablet) and touch screen isnt working out of the box. As this is a first for me I do not know where to start. Any suggestions20:16
geniiAnzo: You installed the regular version or the netbook version?20:17
kakabatesHey everyone....this is my first time trying to get help in IRC.....is there anything special I should know or do before I start firing off questions?20:17
Anzogenii its the alt edition (so not the netbook)20:18
Anzogenii its also the kubuntu edition, i think i talked with you before i did the install...20:19
Anzokakabates just ask away if someone can help they will reply20:19
kakabatesok ty20:19
geniikakabates: Don't use all capitals, if it's a lot of lines of content use a pastebin website, otherwise ask away20:19
geniiAnzo: Possibly, I talk to dozens of people per day20:20
kakabateswell....i can't get online with 9.10. It looks good...I see a connection. but the browser wont find a any online content20:21
Anzogenii its cool, dont expect for you to remember the issue. I just would like to get the tablet up and running. Funny thing is its running better with the beta than 9.04 - the touch screen20:21
Anzokakabates what browser?20:21
kakabatesfirefox20:22
lordgiottokakabates: i've got the same problem... It can be a DNS problem... try a sudo apt-get update and tell us of it works20:22
kakabatesmany failed to fetch and some failed t o download on sudo apt-get update20:24
lordgiottowhat ip doas it looks for?20:24
Anzogenii any ideas?20:25
kakabateslet me add that im working on another box right and I have to cpu in question beside20:25
kakabatesme20:25
kakabatesits an old satellite 4030 cdt20:25
lordgiottokakabates: however i've got the same problem and the my workaround was adding to resolv.conf opendns20:27
kakabatesok....let me just state out in the open that I am a total noob20:27
Anzoits cool have to start somewhere... i am new as well20:28
Anzoalso kakabates its your hardwire connection not wireless right?20:28
yofelkakabates: try 'ping google.com' and 'ping 74.125.45.100' and tell us if one works please20:28
geniikakabates: You might also want to try from in Konsole: sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0             (if your connection is wired)20:28
geniiAnzo: None of my devices have a touchscreen so I wouldn't know where to start working on the problem20:29
Anzogenii darn thanks tho20:29
yofelAnzo: i don't have a touchscreen so a wild guess: have you checked you Xorg.0.log?20:30
gap_hello20:30
Anzoyofel i tried to access xorg.conf it was blank, was it moved to a new location?20:30
yofelno, not the xorg.conf but /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it's the X log file20:31
lordgiottokakabates: if you want try to use opendns you can open your terminal and write:           sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf20:31
lordgiottoAfter that delete averything you find there and write20:31
lordgiottonameserver 208.67.222.22220:31
lordgiottonameserver 208.67.220.22020:31
kakabatesping google.com shows unknown host and the other one shows PING and the sam string of numbers followed by 56 (84) bytes of data......then it look like my prompt went dead and now i only have a blinking cursor.20:31
lordgiottoafter that close firefox and reopen it20:31
Anzoyofel do i run a gedit?20:31
lordgiottothen tell us the feedback :P20:32
yofelAnzo: yes20:32
kakabatesok...lord20:32
ni1sOdd, qmmp doesnt come with a .desktop and also is old(ish)20:33
yofelAnzo: you could also pastebin your log file so I can take a look at it with 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and then give us the link20:34
Anzoyofel i am getting a command not found error20:34
yofelAnzo: ok, then you'll have to install pastebinit first ;)20:35
yofelit's very useful if you need help here20:35
Anzoyofel :) sudo apt-get pastebinit?20:35
yofelAnzo: sudo apt-get install pastebinit20:36
Anzothx DOH!20:37
SpacePigeonis there an approximation of the karmic release date??20:37
TronicSpacePigeon: Yes, the end of October.20:38
SpacePigeonwoo nice20:38
Tronic28th or something like that.20:38
yofel!schedule | SpacePigeon20:38
ubottuSpacePigeon: A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule20:38
xguru29th..20:38
TronicI just hope they'll do something for Pulseaudio before that.20:38
SpacePigeonlike implementing earcandy?20:38
TronicAs currently it simply does not work.20:38
SpacePigeonhaha20:39
SpacePigeonyeah, why not use alsa?20:39
TronicPulseaudio is a nice idea. They just need to fix it before releasing for the masses.20:39
Adapterand epson printers :)20:39
TronicThere has to be politics involved, I can't see how else such a buggy piece of software would be made the default of mainstream distributions.20:40
lordgiottokakabates: so it works?20:41
Anzoyofel i have it installed, next step20:41
SpacePigeonyeah well, do you think karmic is fully stable up to now?20:43
SpacePigeonAdapter, yeah, all sorts of printers haha20:43
lordgiottoHowever, i need help with 2 bugs :)20:43
lordgiotto1) If i try to set manual ip with Network Manager Gnome, it returns automatic after i've pressed Apply... Anyone has the same problem?20:43
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: it is here, since alpha 220:43
Adapterahh is not a special prob for epson20:43
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: but all my hardware works out of the box20:43
SpacePigeonActionParsnip, you do any gaming or flash video playing?20:43
SpacePigeonActionParsnip, what brand is your computer>20:44
arandI guess the people responsible aint hitting any of the PA bugs ;) I mean, I've basically had no problems with PA, and from my pov it just seems to bring in nifty features...20:44
yofelAnzo: run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' then give me the link it gives you please20:44
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: home build based on an asus pudit p1-ah220:44
SpacePigeonI see..20:44
* yofel hasn't had much problems with PA too, except one update that muted some sink that was hard to find20:44
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: just add cpu, ram and drives and you got a system20:44
kakabatesno....followed your instructions lord and added those 2 lines. opened firefox  and nothing20:45
kakabatesserver not found20:45
Adapterhehe20:45
Anzoyofel http://pastebin.com/f4456254120:45
amortvigilhas anyone got bluetooth mouse to work in karmic20:45
amortvigil?\20:46
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: secret is to not buy the lateststuff, or whats cheap to save cash, research to find the most compatible stuff and you dont have to do any effort20:46
lordgiottommm so firefox doesn't work but irc works, right?20:46
kakabatesno...i'm on another box20:47
guntbertbut SpacePigeon don't expect an alpha version to be "stable" !20:47
platiusTronic,  have you added your user to the pulse audio groups?20:47
ActionParsnipkakabates: if you rename ~/.mozilla and relaunch, does it work?20:47
SpacePigeonActionParsnip, yeah well, I bought a dell xps laptop in jan 2008 and had to do very few problem fixing20:47
kakabatessorry should have been clear earlier20:47
SpacePigeonguntbert, thats why i asked haha20:47
SpacePigeoni think i will not install it20:47
Anzoyofel its http://pastebin.com/f44563541 (added a wrong number)20:47
ActionParsnipSpacePigeon: research long nd hard, thwere is tonnes ofdocumentation about what works well and what doesnt20:47
arandSpacePigeon: 1530?20:48
lordgiottokakabates: so internet doesn't work at all? can you ping your router?20:48
SpacePigeonarand, yeah20:49
SpacePigeonarand, nicest dell machine ever in my opinion20:49
Tronicplatius: Pulseaudio works in some applications and PA appears to be per-user instead of system wide on my system.20:49
kakabatesim showing that i am connected to a wireless network and that it is active20:49
yofelAnzo: thx, looking at it20:50
AdapterGood night or morning or where ever you are !!!20:50
Tronicplatius: It just hangs on application startup or exit (stucks waiting a mutex or something).20:50
kakabatessystem monitor shows i am sending and receiving small amounts of data20:50
arandSpacePigeon: Yea, I've got one as well, it's a nice one, apart from the bios >_<20:50
SpacePigeonarand, whats the problem with the bios?20:50
lordgiottokakabates: can you ping your router's ip?20:50
SpacePigeonperhaps you want to join my gooogle group on dell xps m153020:51
SpacePigeonusers20:51
Tronicplatius: I have reported the relevant backtraces to a bug that was already reported by someone else much earlier, but it still has NEW status and no-one seems to care.20:51
SpacePigeonubuntu users20:51
Anzoyofel it doesnt appear to be configured, so i need to edit my xorg file. however i cant access it20:51
platiusTronic,   adding my user(s) to the pulse audio groups solved most of my sound problems20:51
arandSpacePigeon: takes forever to load, no POST info, if you timeeout the password it goes to check mode which takes forever...20:51
arandSpacePigeon: Have you gotten 2-finger scrolling working at all btw?20:53
SpacePigeonarand, is that available?20:53
kakabatesi pinged the router and i got almost 100 lines scrolling up and counting20:53
arandSpacePigeon: I guess it should be possible to emulate it with pressure levels, but I've drawn blannk so far...20:54
lordgiottokakabates: so it works... ok20:54
lordgiottokakabates: try to set manual ip and dns with network manager... it can be a dhcp problem20:55
kakabateswill it just continue to  "ping" until i stop it20:55
vikiOpenarena and Urbanterror crashes on my Ubuntu Karmic. Previously on Jaunty with the same computer both was working fine. After I launch the game i see only a black screen with the cursor on the left top corner and i am even not able to move it. From the game even the logo at the begging does not appear. Can anybody help me?20:55
Tronicplatius: I'll try that.20:55
platiusTronic, using flash videos, dvd movies, skype  w/o probs20:55
lordgiottokakabates: it's normal.. you have to stop it with ctrl + c20:55
platiusTronic, 2 pulse groups I think20:55
Tronicplatius: Are you running PA system-wide?20:55
TronicAdded myself to both.20:56
SpacePigeonarand, oh my, my group is flooded with porn spam20:56
platiusTronic, yes20:56
TronicNeed to relogin to desktop sometime to see if that helps.20:56
TronicAnd reconfigure my stuff to use Pulseaudio.20:56
platiusTronic, not in 9.10 atm.20:56
TronicBecause currently they use ALSA and dmix.20:56
yofelAnzo: seems like it, X doesn't use a xorg.conf in karmic by default though, so you'll have to create a dummy one with 'sudo xorg -configure' (youll find it in /root)20:56
platiusTronic, hope it helps, later20:57
yofelAnzo: sudo Xorg -configure20:57
arandSpacePigeon: Okay... (what was the context of that? o_0)20:57
yofelforgot the capital X20:57
SpacePigeonarand, that i had to do tremendous cleanup20:57
SpacePigeondone now though20:58
mozicodokakabates: can you ping 208.67.222.222? It's an OpenDNS server.20:58
SpacePigeonplease do not misintrepret cleanup20:58
arandSpacePigeon: too late >_<20:58
BUGabundohey everyone20:58
SpacePigeonanyway, im off for a while20:58
yofelhi BUGabundo20:58
arandHello BUGabundo !20:59
BUGabundohi guys20:59
BUGabundoanyone reporting notify *still* in middle screeen?20:59
ActionParsniphi BUGabundo20:59
BUGabundomine is at 80%20:59
ActionParsnipBUGabundo: its on the right, 20% from the top20:59
BUGabundome too21:00
BUGabundobut a friend on a supposed alpha621:00
BUGabundois reporting midle screen21:00
kakabatesthat open DNS ping returned PING 208.67.222.222 (208.67.222.222) 56(84) bytes of data.21:00
Anzoyofel, sorry to go spazz here but this is confusing21:00
Anzoyofel i ran that now how do i access the fiel21:00
ActionParsnipBUGabundo: try making a new user to test if its stupid settings21:01
BUGabundokakabates: those are OpenDNS servers!21:01
BUGabundoActionParsnip: sudo rm -rf / ?21:01
BUGabundothat won't work21:01
BUGabundoI've asked my students to try it21:01
BUGabundohey mac21:01
mozicodokakabates: nothing after that?21:01
yofelAnzo: copy the new created file to /etc/X11/ and edit it there.21:01
ActionParsnipBUGabundo: no, make a new user, log in as that and see if its identical21:02
BUGabundoits a clean install from A621:02
BUGabundolet me confirm21:02
Anzoyofel i am using kde so the command should be sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf correct ?21:02
BUGabundoeerrr21:02
arandBUGabundo: or dpkg-reconfigure notify-osd? /aptitude reinstall...21:02
BUGabundoAnzo: don't use SUDO for GUI apps21:02
nOStahlhrmm so i was having issues earlyer where i had a power outage and a ext4 system and couldnt recover, used that oportunity to try karmic on the eepc21:03
BUGabundotry gksu or ksudo instead21:03
nOStahlcouldnt get my 4 gig hd to mount21:03
nOStahlso i just tried restoring the eee to xp with the dvd and it worked fine21:03
AnzoBug i am in terminal trying to access the xorg file to get touch screen working21:03
kakabatesnope....and my command prompt didnt come back either21:03
yofelAnzo: like BUGabundo said, use 'kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' once you copied the file21:03
nOStahlthings booting into windows.... why would it let me do ntfs and not ext4 filesystem type?21:03
AnzoAhh see its the little things that throw me21:03
kakabatesoh wait....after i hit control c it stopped and fed me some ping stats 380 packs transmitted 0 recieved 100% packet loss21:07
Anzoyofel i opened the file it was still blank, so i inserted the new xorg, saved it do i need to run the previous configure command to get it working now?21:07
BUGabundoarand: an easy way to test a new user, is also to use Guest Session21:07
mozicodokakabates: ok, just wondering if it was similar to a name resolution error I had recently with wireless connections but it's not.21:07
yofelAnzo: not sure, if you have  edited the file you'll have to reload X to active the new configuration afaik (re-login)21:08
kakabatesso my ping worked right. I can send info through my router?21:08
Anzoyafel i will restart the whole system to be sure21:09
Anzoyofel you are the man!21:11
kakabateswhile im here can someone tell me the command for replying directly to a specific person?21:11
ActionParsnipkakabates: type a few letters of the name then press tab21:11
kakabatestrying to learn the etiquette of IRC and get help at the same time21:11
kakabatesActionParsnip: thank you21:11
buckykakabates, type their nick.. there is <TAB> for auto complete21:12
kakabatesbucky: thanks21:12
nOStahlso whats the consensus on ext4 on ssd's21:12
* bucky highlights his nick21:13
buckybucky, you suck21:13
kakabatesso... i think i have pinged my router and an open dns server successfully. is there some onboard setting that will keep apps from accessing the outside world?21:14
arandBUGabundo: yup, on guest session notify-send shoves it at 1/5 down right...21:16
mozicodokakabates: You got 100% packet loss from the open dns server ping so you can't get to the outside world.21:16
kakabatesok....could be a setting with the router that doesn't recognize this cpu21:17
BUGabundogrrr21:18
BUGabundomy friend applied all remainng updates, rebooted21:18
BUGabundoand still sees notify midlle screen21:18
BUGabundojust asked him to test on Guest21:18
BUGabundoand $ apt-cache policy libnotify121:18
kakabatesthe wireless setting says it's active and the resources tab of the system monitor says i have sent and recieved21:19
mozicodokakabates: Do you have your router restricting access based off of MAC addresses?21:23
dashuaBring back Epiphany-gecko please =/21:23
kakabatesnot to my knowlege. the router is my neighbors airport. I am on another mac downstairs and the lap top in question is wlan with a wep....never used mac for access on any of these computers21:24
kakabatesok.....the dinner bell just rang over here. i really appreciate you all helping me out. but i gotta take a break and chow.21:26
BUGabundook fixed21:28
BUGabundothe dude was stupid21:28
BUGabundofor him HALF was the 80%21:28
BUGabundohe was expecting 100% like jaunty21:28
BUGabundo:D21:28
arandBUGabundo: pebcak :D21:29
BUGabundogrrr21:29
BUGabundostudpid users21:29
dominic_Hello21:29
BUGabundohere's my old advice21:30
BUGabundoASSUME NOTHING21:30
BUGabundoalso don't leave caps on :=21:30
dominic_i was told to report something wrong with alsa21:30
BUGabundostill not option to cotnrol Notify OSD??21:30
BUGabundodominic_: fire way21:30
dominic_ill use pastebin to paste the session from terminal21:30
dominic_i used clear beforehand, so...21:30
arandBUGabundo: seems like a few features have been put in the bitbucket for karmic, gdm customization, sound theme customization...21:32
BUGabundo:(21:32
BUGabundoand lucile is LTS21:32
BUGabundoso no major changes expected21:33
arandWell, let's at least hope they'll fix feature regressions...21:33
bullgard4Help 2.28.0 > 9.3.1. Empathy Internet Manager > "See the Empathy Manual for help on using Empathy." Clicking on 'Empathy Manual' that is, 'ghelp: empathy', obtains with me: »Unable to load page.« How about with you?21:34
dominic_http://paste.ubuntu.com/282461/21:35
dominic_That link is what my problem is21:38
dominic_Its when i restart alsa21:38
dominic_well, alsa-utils21:38
dominic_i get that error message21:38
dominic_And its in a loop21:38
arandbullgard4: same, and yelp crashes on that as well for me... I'd guess the documentation doesn't exist yet...21:38
bullgard4arand: Thank you for reporting.21:39
ubuntu0ath1Can I trust the ETA listed in launchpad for ubuntu-beta. It says Expected: in 3 hours ?21:41
dominic_Ubuntu beta is here?21:41
dominic_COOL!21:41
dominic_lol21:41
ubuntu0ath1Not yet21:41
dominic_Ok21:41
dominic_How many hours?21:42
dominic_lol21:42
ubuntu0ath1According to launchpad it will land in 3 hours...but can  I trust launchpad?21:42
dominic_YAYYY21:42
rskdominic_: a few21:42
aranddominic_: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/84152 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/21804 any useful info for you there?21:42
robin0800dominic_: I bet 24hours21:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 21804 in alsa-utils "alsa-utils cannot always restore mixer settings correctly across upgrades" [Medium,Confirmed]21:42
ubuntu0ath1https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta   Here's the entry21:42
dominic_So will it come as an update in my Update manager?21:42
ubuntu0ath1yup21:42
dominic_Or will i have to do the update-manager -d thing?21:42
ubuntu0ath1If you are already on karmic just do a dist-upgrade21:43
dominic_right....whats that?21:43
dominic_lol21:43
dominic_Just System>Admin>Update Manager?21:43
XDevHaldWho knows how to change the icon of an app if it's minimized in alltray or on the menu?21:43
ubuntu0ath1You open a terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y21:43
aranddominic_: ubuntu0ath1: afaik just a plain upgrade wilol get you to beta...21:43
ubuntu0ath1oh sorry21:43
dominic_ok21:43
ubuntu0ath1Just to be sure do a dist-upgrade. but do a sudo apt-get update ...forgot that part xD21:44
dominic_Is anyone else having the same error as me with no sound?21:44
XDevHalddominic: Remove pulseaudo and alsa, alsa-utils, reboot then re-install them from synaptic and you're good to go.21:44
darthanubisall of my partitions are not being mounted at boot21:44
darthanubisonce at the desktop i have to mount -a in a term21:45
darthanubisthe fstab is correct, unless maybe the uuid changed since install?21:45
arandbeta-alpha-rc-final is a very rolling definition... getting from one to the other doesn't require anything more than a normal system upate normally...21:45
ubuntu0ath1Can an uuid change ?21:45
darthanubislooking into it now21:46
aranddominic_: did the links I gave you anser anything?21:46
darthanubisthe partition that is not automounting is an lvm partition. how do I get the uuid of that partition?21:46
ubuntu0ath1fdisk -l21:47
ubuntu0ath1?21:47
zniavreblkid ?21:50
darthanubisthats it21:50
darthanubisblkid21:50
ubuntu0ath1Never knew that such a thing existed xD21:50
robin0800ubuntu0ath1: its new21:51
dominic_arand: no21:53
dominic_lol21:53
dominic_http://paste.ubuntu.com/282461/21:53
dominic_Thats my error thingy21:53
aranddominic_: I know, and the links seemed to have the same error, but if you say not... I have no further ideas...21:54
dominic_I dont really know, arand, but the first one applied to 9.04, and sound worked fine in 9.0421:55
darthanubisthe uuids are correct. Guess i'll search to see if there is a bug21:55
jemarkmy x3100 video card didn't have hardware accerelation anymore with the latest update21:56
aranddominic_: just because it's jaunty doesn't mean the error must be different...21:56
dominic_i s'pose...21:56
dominic_But i dont really understand what its saying, so i couldnt tell you if its the same21:56
dominic_all i know is that it doesnt restart proeprly21:57
Rods_TigerI thought Karmic Ubuntu Netbook Remix was supposed to start up quickly? It's been starting up pretty much all day and it still hasn't got past the loading screen - I'd say this is too slow.21:58
ubuntu0ath1When will gnome 2.28 come to karmic ?21:59
XDevHaldDo the repos have an icon maker/editor?21:59
arandRods_Tiger: hmm, yea I had problems booting on a recent liveCD as well.21:59
rskubuntu0ath1: already done21:59
arandXDevHald: yea, hang on...22:00
XDevHaldNeed to make an xpm icon for firefox22:00
XDevHaldthanks arand22:00
ubuntu0ath1rsk: good :)22:00
robin0800ubuntu0ath1: Its already here22:00
XDevHaldYep, check it at System > About Gnome22:01
arandXDevHald: kiconeditor?22:01
jemarkubuntu0ath1: it's already in karmic22:01
ubuntu0ath1Thanks for the info guys, I haven't booted in ubuntu in one day.22:01
robin0800XDevHald: Tried gnome-shell yet?22:01
ubuntu0ath1I'm waiting to reformat some of my partitions, but I am waiting for the beta livecd to come out22:02
darthanubisxfs not mounting correctly at boot > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=802800622:02
Martynyep, same ehre22:02
XDevHaldarand: I have gnome, try to stay away from KDE22:02
MartynI switched from xfs to ext4 for that reason22:02
darthanubisI think that is it! My lvm partiton is xfs22:02
XDevHaldrobin0800. Do you use it?22:02
dominic_Also of note is that i get a load of errors when i boot22:02
dominic_something about "failure to load profiles"22:02
dominic_Does anyone else get that?22:02
darthanubisyup22:03
dominic_darth - was that directed to me?22:03
robin0800XDevHald: Tried it, is very fast to switch but couldn't get compiz to work with it22:03
ubuntu0ath1Gotta go guys. Have a nice night22:04
arandXDevHald: or just use inkscape: http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/creating-icons-with-inkscape-a-basic-workflow/22:04
XDevHaldrobin0800: Installing it now, thanks for the heads up.22:04
XDevHaldarand: Very nice find. Thank you.22:05
arandXDevHald: oops, borken loink it seems22:05
XDevHaldarand: it's ok I found it in the repos22:06
robin0800XDevHald: could only run it with alt+f2 and gnome-shell --replace22:06
XDevHaldHmm22:07
arandXDevHald: http://sidux.com/index.php?module=Wikula&tag=InkscapeIconBasicsEN there's the correct link to the tutorial..22:07
XDevHaldThanks arand, that's better :-)22:07
tsonculHi everyone, is it a bug when the ubiquity slideshow talks about Firefox 3?22:08
tsonculShouln't it be 3.5?22:08
bwallumI like the title 'may' break your system, I thought that's why we all got onboard, to ride the surf, crash and burn, then recoverO:-)22:08
XDevHaldrobin0800: Yeah I see what you mean22:09
jawbberHello guys! Did anyone of you noticed that your sound card got muted after installing karmic koala alpha 6 ?22:10
bwallumjawbber: yea, you need to set up your Profile for duplex, millions of bug reports22:11
arandtsoncul: I'm not sure, since 3.5 is a subset of the 3 release...22:11
jawbberbwallum: I already got my sound card to work so no worries anymore :P22:11
tsoncularand: Technically, yes, but Firefox itself made a big deal out of iy22:11
tsonculit*22:11
bwallumjawbber: that was quick22:12
dominic_jawbber22:13
dominic_i did22:13
dominic_I dont have sound22:13
dominic_jawberr: how did you get yours to work?22:13
dominic_Also, does anyone get loads of errors when they start up saying things about 'Profile couldnt be loaded' or something like that?22:14
dominic_As in, during the boot process?22:14
bwallumdominic: what hardware do you have? Is it AC'97 compliant?22:15
arandtsoncul: true.. and I guess 3.5 is g.onna be the one sticking in KK... Well you could always report a bug/wishlist about it, I'm not to fussed about either 3 or 3.5 to be honest.22:15
dominic_bwallum: ill find out22:15
XDevHald_robin0800: Yeah that crashed my xorg lol22:16
XDevHald_Froze it to 100% CPU and had to do a manual shutdown.22:16
BUGabundoam I the only one22:16
BUGabundoearing little pongs22:16
BUGabundoon notify osd ballons ??22:16
BUGabundothis is ANOYING22:16
arandBUGabundo: sound?22:17
bwallumdominic: I took out gamix before I got mine nice and stable22:17
robin0800XDevHald_: Trying to run compiz you mean?22:17
xuserupdates made my system unbootable! yay!22:17
dominic_bwallum:  nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP)22:17
dominic_afk22:17
BUGabundoarand: yes22:17
BUGabundoa very low but still anoying sound22:17
bwallumI'm on AMD64 though22:17
XDevHald_I disabled compiz robin0800 and it still did the same thing22:17
jawbberdominic_: sry I was away22:17
arandBUGabundo: dunno, I run it in VBox with no sound...22:18
jawbberdominic_: you still have sound problems?22:18
bwallumdominic: should be sound (excuse pun)22:18
dominic_Yep22:18
bwallumI run an nForce2 machine and sound is fine22:19
dominic_Still have sound problems22:19
jawbberI only noticed that my sound did not work after installing alpha 6 then I went to sound preferences and unchecked the mute22:19
jawbberand then it worked22:19
dominic_ohhh22:20
dominic_Its not muted22:20
bwallumdominic: there are still bugs in pulseaudio but you can really make it worse by trying to configure with gamix and PA at the same time, real mess22:20
dominic_i checked for that22:20
dominic_is sound preferences under system>preferences?22:20
bwallumdominic: right click the apeaker icon22:21
bwallumspeaker22:21
dominic_Mute isnt checked22:21
bwallumUnder the Hardware tab, what Profile do you have?22:22
dominic_Hardware tab has nothing22:23
bwallumdominic: mmm, can you select Stereo Analog Duplex?22:23
dominic_in hardware tab?22:24
dominic_bwallum: there are no devices under hardware tab22:24
sburwoodanyone have news on Karmic and is it something that can work on my Pentium4 at 2.4Ghz?22:24
dominic_justa  blank box22:24
bwallumyes, appreciate when you said nothing you might literally have nothing22:24
dominic_=============22:24
dominic_sorry abbout the ==== thing22:25
bwallumIs gamix running?22:25
dominic_my cat walked on the keyboard22:25
dominic_gamix?22:25
sburwoodand where can I see news about it? or is it premature?22:25
tsonculsburwood: Karmic Beta will be out shortly22:25
sburwoodthx, tsoncul22:26
bwallumSystem>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager and search for gamix22:26
tsonculsburwood: Probably tomorrow22:26
dominic_Its release date is the 1st october22:26
tsonculsburwood: I'm on alpha6 now, and it's pretty stable.22:26
XDevHald_That is Beta Freeze22:26
bwallumIf it's there deselect it22:26
sburwoodand for the final version on Oct 29?22:26
tsonculsburwood: I think so22:27
sburwoodI don't know ... I've had 8.04 and 9.04 and have had problems with both.22:27
XDevHald_The Release Candidate was done on Oct 22nd, you might want to see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule22:27
jemarktsoncul: for me the alpha 6 is booting with error messages and there is no 3d accerelation anymore.22:27
sburwood7.10 and 8.10 work fine ... is that normal?22:27
XDevHald_Is oing to be done on*22:27
XDevHald_going*22:27
dominic_installing gamix now22:27
jemarktsoncul: so i re-installed jaunty...22:27
tsonculsburwood: No idea if that's normal...22:27
bwallumdominic:uninstall gamix, sorry if I confused22:28
sburwoodok.  Here where I am, it's night.  Good night22:28
sburwoodbye22:28
tsonculjemark: I have a pretty barebones netbook, so not much problems..22:28
tsonculsburwood: Take care.22:28
bwallumdominic: so gamix wasn't loaded then?22:28
sburwoodu222:28
jemarktsoncul: and installed gnome-shell?22:29
tsonculjemark: UNR22:29
dominic_I've installed gamix22:30
myk_robinsonhey, guys. Do nay of you have information about the Totem crash on exit? Is there something that I can do to fix this, or just need to wait on an update for the application? Thanks22:30
bwallumdominic: sorry, you may have been heads down, you don't want gamix installed22:30
tsonculmyk_robinson: which release are you using?22:30
myk_robinsontsoncul: Karmic with updates run a few hours ago. Totem version is 2.28.022:31
dominic_lol bwallum: thats ok22:31
tsonculmyk_robinson: Yep, stillbroken22:32
bwallum:)22:32
evan_does anyone have the bluetooth mouse?22:32
evan_an*22:32
myk_robinsontsoncul: as long as its not just me, that's fine. Thanks, I'll install VLC and use it until Totem is repaired22:32
bwallumdominic: have you fully updated your system?22:32
tsonculmyk_robinson: Totem had a bunch of problems since I got on Karmic, I'm thinking someone is working on it...22:32
dominic_yep22:32
dominic_did that a couple hours ago22:32
dominic_gamix wasnt loSWS22:33
bwallumdominic:have you rebooted since the last update22:33
dominic_*LOADED22:33
dominic_bwallum: yep22:33
dominic_Soz for caps22:34
bwallumjawbber: I'm stumped, can you help dominic please?22:34
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domjohnsonThats better22:36
bwallumhow do you do that!22:36
domjohnsonuse the /nick command22:36
bwallumo22:36
domjohnsonfor me, it was /nick domjohnson22:36
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stumpedyoo22:37
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bwallumnice to know who you are i guess22:37
bwallumdomjohnson: I'm out of ideas, sorry22:38
Rods_TigerKarmic Ubuntu Netbook Remix has been in the process of starting up all day and it still hasn't got past the loading screen.22:38
domjohnsonbwallum: thats ok22:39
domjohnsonI should go to bed now22:39
domjohnsonG'Night22:39
bwallumg'night22:39
hggdhOK. As usual, I am probably late. Any critical issues today on +1? Like grub2 failing to boot?22:40
evan_hggdh, macbook?22:42
hggdhno, amd64 "normal" laptop22:42
hggdhlost grub2 this morning...22:43
evan_hggdh, ok use supergrub bootdisk to boot and fix22:46
evan_anyone experience in bluetooth mouses?22:46
hggdhevan_: thank you, but already fixed, by a boot via daily server CD, removing --purge grub2 & friends, rm -rf /boor/grub, and resintalling the beast22:47
evan_heheh ok22:47
hggdhand after a looong fsck -c -f on all the partitions :-(22:48
SlimGAny knowlege of what is causing the Karmic release delay? critical bug discovered?22:52
tsonculSlimG: there is no delay, as far as I know.22:53
Twigathyyer...wot? It's not due for release 'till October 29th22:53
Twigathy9.10 -> 2009, october ;)22:53
tsonculSlimG: The Karmic Beta should be out tomorrow or the day after.22:54
SlimGah :) "in my face!" :)22:54
Twigathyhehe22:54
SlimGselfburn etc.22:54
SlimGWell, I'll atleast get a good head start at nagging for the release :)22:56
AtomicSparkHello there!23:01
AtomicSparkIs anyone else having trouble using ubuntu-bug?23:01
darthanubisanyone care to run some phoronix benchmarks?23:03
darthanubisThe package is in the repos23:03
darthanubisCompare these results against your Linux PC. Run phoronix-test-suite benchmark anubis-26404-23098-25010 and wait for the results (with comparative numbers) to appear. It's as easy as that!23:03
voidmageso it turns out sometimes update-manager crashes before it does update-grub and i boot into a jaunty kernel in karmic23:08
voidmagewhich is why my sound wasn't working yesterday23:08
voidmage:P23:08
ActionParsnip!info phoronix-test-suite23:18
ubottuphoronix-test-suite (source: phoronix-test-suite): a comprehensive testing and benchmarking platform. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.0ga-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 358 kB, installed size 4220 kB23:18
ActionParsnipdarthanubis: it requires openjdk. I have proper java installed manually and dont want to screw it up with some package23:21
darthanubisoh23:25
legend2440how do i get into the grub2 menu? Esc is not working23:25
Crashbitlegend2440: edit your /etc/default/grub file23:26
legend2440Crashbit: ok thanks23:26
Ian_pff so little updates today!23:28
Ian_:p23:28
RAOFActionParsnip: For what it's worth, openjdk _is_ the proper java now.23:28
RAOFWhat with Sun open-sourcing Java and all.23:29
ActionParsnipRAOF: not native 64bit java23:29
ActionParsnipits probably some nspluginwrapper thing23:30
RAOFActionParsnip: What are you talking about?23:30
ActionParsnipRAOF: if you use the 64bit bin file you can use the 64bit java from sun23:30
RAOFAaah.  You're talking about a browser plugin.23:31
ActionParsnipRAOF: indeedy23:31
NattgewI'm trying to load the pciehp module... but it says it's not there... is there some other module I should be looking for?23:32
RAOFActionParsnip: "There is only one alternative in link group mozilla-javaplugin.so: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so"23:34
connexI get Device or Resource busy when trying to insert a module using modprobe23:35
ActionParsnipRAOF: i dont use firefox, its so bloated with flash23:36
RAOFActionParsnip: So what browser do you use?  Everything uses NSAPI plugins.23:37
pwnguinwget and emacs, duh23:37
ActionParsnipRAOF: Chrome23:37
RAOFActionParsnip: ...which uses that plugin.23:38
RAOFEverything uses firefox plugins.  De-facto standard.23:38
ActionParsnipRAOF: http://pastebin.com/m7f9e975923:39
RAOFActionParsnip: Yes?  You don't have the openjdk packages installed; I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have some of the same file paths!23:40
ActionParsnipRAOF: not if you symlink the jave .so file in chrome plugins folder you dont need any ofd that rubbish23:40
buckythat's what update-alternatives is for23:40
RAOFYou don't need any of the java runtime for the java plugin?  I'm sceptical :)23:41
ActionParsnipRAOF: http://pastebin.com/d398249c923:41
RAOFEven if you didn't, I wouldn't really care.  50MB worth of disc space is worth less than the time taken to figure it out.23:41
ActionParsnipRAOF: i like small and punchy23:41
Nattgewdmesg says the module is being loaded...23:42
Nattgew[    0.534562] pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.423:42
Nattgewbut it won't recognize my card reader...23:42
ActionParsnipNattgew: is there any output pertaining to the reader if you plug in a card, wait 10 seconds then run: dmesg | tail23:42
ActionParsnipRAOF: trust me, you dont need any of that stuff to get java ;) plus its fun to get installs small yet effective23:43
RAOFActionParsnip: We obviously have different definitions of "fun" :)23:43
ActionParsnipRAOF: true, but im mainly out but when i'm on my system i like to tweak and prod23:44
NattgewActionParsnip: no, it shows nothing23:46
ActionParsnipNattgew: hmm not good23:46
ActionParsnipNattgew: is it in a laptop?23:47
Nattgewyes23:47
ActionParsnipNattgew: what make / model?23:47
Nattgewlaptop or card?23:47
ActionParsniplaptop23:47
Nattgewdell inspiron 152523:47
connexi am getting this error trying to add it8723:48
ActionParsnipNattgew: just websearching23:53
ActionParsnipNattgew: looks like you need the sdhci module23:54
Nattgewloaded that module, still nothing23:56

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