/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/30/#ubuntu-artwork.txt

psyke83:P00:00
psyke83kwwii: I'm chatting to asac, asking him if he needs a new bug filed in the event that firefox still has problems, or if it's ok to attach the issue to the same bug report and assign to firefox00:00
kwwiicool00:06
psyke83kwwii: chatting to micahg now, he's already prepared testing packages for the text box fix00:06
kwwiikiller :)00:06
kwwiiI am heading off to bed soon00:14
psyke83kwwii: ok, I'll stay up a while and see what I can find out ;)00:17
kwwiicool, catch you tomorrow00:18
dashuakwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26069/screenshot_1_KlUCm6.png02:41
dashuaNeeds some work but a start for metacity02:41
dashuabzr branch lp:~dashua/human-theme/humantheme02:42
dashuaI'll work on it more tomorrow02:42
YokoZarI can't seem to find a 32x32 size folder icon for the Human theme -- is this simply missing?03:21
YokoZarThat sounds like a big oversight since 32x32 is what's actually shown in the Places menu03:21
YokoZar(needed for the winefolder icon at http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/wine-icon/ )03:23
darkmatteractually the gnome menus use 24x24 pixel icons by default. :)03:38
YokoZardarkmatter: ahh well that at least makes some sense.  Where is 32x32 seen?03:40
darkmattermostly in the control center iirc (the 32x32 sizes in the spec started in suse, as the main-menu, app browser, and control center use them, and 48 renders horribly at that size). initially we had 16,22,24, and scalable. now we're 'evolving' to 16,22,24,32,48, and 256 withing icon-themes03:42
darkmatterbasically scalable was a bunch of overrated hype :P03:43
YokoZardarkmatter: I guess in theory scalable was meant for things that grow in size dynamically (eg UNR hovering) but it turned out to be way too slow03:45
darkmatteraye03:45
YokoZarinteresting casualty of this was Gnometris (it was up until now using a .svg render for every brick, making the game unplayably slow after the screen got about 1/4 filled)03:46
darkmatterbrb... haven't caffeinated myself today. and it's now 8:47 pm (or 20:47 for the 'whats pm?' crowd).. I REAAALLLY need a fix03:48
kwwiigood morning09:00
knomemorning kwwii :)09:19
kwwiihi knome09:42
knomehow are things coming up?09:43
kwwiibusy, busy...but coming along well09:43
knomehehe, great :)09:44
knomewe did some work on the "pulse"/animated countdown banner yesterday09:44
kwwiicool09:46
knomehttp://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html -> current state09:46
mat_tMorning all!09:46
mat_tmac_v: Question re "ad-hoc" icon09:46
knomemorning mat_t09:46
mat_tmac_v: morning knome :)09:47
mat_tmac_v: if the fix is released, what is the fix?09:47
mac_vevening mat_t ;)09:47
mat_t:)09:47
mac_vmat_t: that is the icon for a device , if we change it further , it would not be usable in the apps09:47
mat_tok, but it's still a bug09:48
mat_tthe icon in the menu is misleading09:48
mat_tI'm reopening it09:48
mac_vyes , bug in nm , not in humanity , because there is not label yet to create09:48
mac_vmat_t: ^09:48
mac_vthere is no label*09:48
mat_tok09:49
mat_tin that case it's invalid in Humanity09:49
mac_veven better :)09:50
bersace_nerimHi everyone !10:02
bersace_nerimkwwii, big thumb up for Ubuntu artwork10:02
bersace_nerimAmazing job !10:02
kwwiibersace_nerim: thnx, I didn't do it alone though ;) The teamwork has been gret10:15
kwwiigreat10:16
bersace_nerimgood to see the work done by the team :)10:16
bersace_nerimi'm so glad that finally, Ubuntu get icons theme that blend well with Tango !10:16
bersace_nerim:)10:16
kwwiilol, that is the worst part about them, if you ask me10:17
darkmatterespecially when you consider the tango style wasn't a 'by choice' adoption. it was 'pester you until you cave in'10:30
andreasnI have said I think it's better, but I'm sorry if I made someone felt me (and perhaps lapo too) have been pestering anyone10:32
SiDiAre you speaking about the email in ayatana about gnome hig & tango ?10:33
andreasnbut I can't recall mentioning anything about for quite a while now, I shut up and draw10:37
bersace_nerimkwwii, they blend far better with Tango than Human !10:41
mat_tmac_v: the lock icon is a lot better!10:55
mat_tmac_v: it still overlaps with some icons though (when you have full connection)10:56
mac_vmat_t: could you show me a screenshot? so that i could adjust it accordingly?10:56
mat_tsure10:56
mat_tI'll file a bug10:57
mat_tmac_v: #43926111:07
mac_vBug #43926111:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439261 in humanity-icon-theme "Wireless connection icon in the network menu overlaps with the lock icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43926111:07
mac_vmat_t: how does a broken shield work? for the third icon of a security risk with adhoc11:08
mat_tmac_v: that could work, too. I don't think it's worth introducing yet another metaphor for security11:09
mat_tmac_v: we don't really use shields anywhere, do we?11:09
mac_vmat_t: we used to , use it but now we dont11:09
mat_tmac_v: I think shield would work for Windows users, but that would have to be a system-wide decision11:10
mat_tmac_v: that's why I think we should try the lock first11:10
mac_vmat_t: nm applet also had a shield , displayed for secure connections , until the recent update... only now it is used as an overlay icon11:11
mac_vthe lock icon is now for secure , it has now become an overlay icon11:11
mac_vpreviously , it was simply a shield next to the wireless signal11:12
mat_tmac_v: I see. We can definitely try both and see which works better visually.11:12
mac_vmat_t: the overlay problem has been fixed a few days ago , i believe, could you download the theme again and test it?11:17
mac_vlol! not few days ago , i think yesterday11:18
rolo-svkhello everyone11:18
rolo-svkim here for a little help11:18
rolo-svka i made an ubuntu-tux logo and would like to sned it to community if anyone is interested11:19
rolo-svkbut so far i couldnt find to whom i can send it11:20
knomerolo-svk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/11:20
mat_tmac_v: ok :)11:20
rolo-svkthnx knome, but a cannot find an adrres to send to :(11:20
rolo-svkaddress11:21
knomerolo-svk, you have to register, then create a new subpage11:21
knomeand you can then add attachments11:21
rolo-svkknome: ah... thnx, i didnt know11:21
rolo-svkso im going to... ;)11:22
rolo-svkthnx again11:22
knomeno problem11:22
psyke83kwwii: I think we should set the trough back to 2. There's three related bugs. One: clicking doesn't grab the scrollbar - proposed fix is available. Two: Firefox's text boxes on websites render the trough incorrectly - fix released. Three: You can't edge-click on the scrollbar (to jump page or grab the scrollbar) - bug filed upstream and on Launchpad13:58
psyke83the third bug is being looked at13:58
psyke83*Third bug, I meant to say, only applies to Firefox14:01
kwwiipsyke83: yes, I am goign to look into making it larger again....14:02
kwwiipsyke83: also, I have a bug about the selection of buttons14:02
kwwiiit seems that people are mistaking the selected button for already clicked14:02
psyke83kwwii: got a bug reference? You mean a toggled button such as togglebutton1 in the widget factory?14:03
kwwiiyepp14:03
kwwiiit looks like that, but is a normal button14:04
kwwiiseb mentioned it yesterday, let me check if he made a bug14:04
psyke83that's this line, in the default style property:14:04
psyke83bg[ACTIVE]        = shade (0.88, @bg_color)14:04
kwwiipsyke83: yeah...I wanted to ask you for ideas to change it before doing anything14:05
kwwiigod forbid, I am showing respect - must be ill :p14:06
psyke83:P14:06
psyke83was it a problem when the theme was lighter?14:07
kwwiinope14:07
kwwiiat least, I never noticed it and nobody ever menitoned it14:07
kwwiiit is noticeable on confirmation dialogs...the button looks like it is already clicked although it is not14:08
psyke83kwwii: http://img8.imageshack.us/i/humanityv08.png/14:09
psyke83that looks ok?14:09
psyke83kwwii: hmm, that's a  different issue entirely14:10
psyke83I think you're thinking of the pre-chosen buttons, not pressed buttons14:10
kwwiiyes, the pre-chosen buttons look like they are pressed ;)14:10
psyke83e.g., Terminal Server Client14:10
psyke83ah ok, that's a different fix14:10
psyke83it looks dark because they used to prelight to a nice light orange, but since we have the dark selection colour, it's darker14:11
psyke83what effect would you like for these pre-chosen buttons?14:11
kwwiiyeah14:12
kwwiiI think tha ta simple slight orange line around it would be nice14:12
kwwii;)14:12
mat_tmac_v: there's something horribly wrong with the wireless icons now...14:12
kwwiior it could be lighter than the bgNormal14:12
kwwiivisually, it just has to slightly give you the impression that you should click it14:13
mac_vmat_t: asac wanted wwan to be different from the wireless icon14:13
mac_vit would look different... it is too bad ?14:14
mat_tok, asac is not making decisions like that14:14
mat_tit just looks bad, we have 2 different icons + one of them still overlaps with the lock...14:15
kwwiiI am really glad I finished up all my work on the human network manager icons before we threw them away14:16
mat_tkwwii: ;)14:16
kwwiimat_t: btw, how hard would it be to make an svg version of the xsplash in your opinion?14:16
mac_vmat_t: the lock definately wont overlap14:16
mac_vscreenshot pls14:17
mac_vno need another bug ;p14:17
mat_tkwwii: I guess quite hard, you probably have more experience with svgs14:17
kwwiimat_t: it would save a) space on the CD and b) be scalable without banding14:17
mat_tmac_v: ok, one sec14:17
mat_tkwwii: yes, ted suggested that14:17
kwwiimat_t: I started to make one based on the pixmaps, but wanted to understand how it is put together14:17
mat_tkwwii: you're welcome to have a go, I don't really have time14:18
kwwiimat_t: I currently have gradient from warm-dark-red to black in the bg and a light from above kinda lighting a stage14:18
mat_tkwwii: I'll send you the psd14:18
kwwiimat_t: hehe, I only wanted your input on it14:18
mat_t:)14:18
kwwiimat_t: that would be *perfect*14:18
psyke83kwwii: sending gtkrc, want me to set trough to 2?14:19
kwwiipsyke83: sure, it'll save me a ms14:19
kwwiithanks!14:19
mat_tkwwii: it may not be trivial, looking at the psd ;)14:20
kwwiimat_t: yeah, that is what I thought...I'm going to see what I can come up with. If it takes too long I'll give up ;)14:23
kwwiiI have learned to appreciate the complexity of your psd files :D14:23
psyke83kwwii: sent, it's now the same as the focus colour (a light orangey shade :P)14:23
kwwiipsyke83: excellent, thanks14:23
psyke83no prob14:24
psyke83now all I have left to do is to convince you to use the new metacity ;)14:24
kwwii:D14:26
kwwiipsyke83: how about this, we'll make screenshots and I will suggest it to the rest of the design team, see what they say14:26
psyke83kwwii: I can do that. I'll darken the colours, since that was their argument against it. If you can suggest anything else, let me know14:28
psyke83let me play with it, though, don't worry too much, since you've lots of other things to do14:29
kwwiipsyke83: cool...my wife is on a business trip to I'm home alone with my son...going to be offline from about 17:00 CET until he goes to bed at 21:0014:31
kwwiis/to/so14:31
psyke83kwwii: sure. I'll modify the metacity and make a few proposals, take screenshots of each one, and then e-mail the whole thing to you14:32
kwwiikiller, thanks14:32
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mat_tkwwii: file is massive14:45
mat_tover 100  MB14:46
kwwiimat_t: LOL14:46
kwwiimaybe in ubuntuone? :D14:46
mat_theh14:48
mat_tmaybe14:48
mat_tif that works, I'll be more than impressed14:48
mat_tI'll try that later - busy with other stuff atm14:49
andreasnhm, thunderbird trunk looks broken using the new default ubuntu theme14:57
kwwiiandreasn: screen?14:59
kwwiiseems to work ok, here on my updated jaunty system14:59
kwwiilet me check it on karmic14:59
andreasnnot-super-broken I have to add15:00
andreasnhttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/184285/tb-ubuntu.png15:00
andreasnit's just that the tab looks a bit odd15:00
andreasnand I guess that's partly my fault, I think I expected the tab color and main window color to always be pretty much the same tint15:01
andreasnnot much any of us can do about it either :/15:04
psyke83andreasn: yes... in the past the Murrine engine drew an orange strip on the active tab, but that's gone now... so we need to do other things to differentiate active tabs from inactive15:10
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andreasnI see, yeah, I don't have any good solution to this problem15:12
andreasnI can't really use the tab of the color to the rest of the window either15:12
andreasnso things will look odd to a majority of the Linux TB users, but they are a tough bunch that are used to things looking a bit odd in general, so it might be ok anyway15:13
kwwiiluckily, TB is not installed by default ;)15:18
andreasnyeah, and because of that I don't really expect you guys to "visually support it", so to say15:20
kwwiiin this case, there is little we could do to fix it...otherwise tabs in nautilus, etc. get lost15:21
kwwiiFF, TB and OOo15:22
kwwiimy artwork enemies ;)15:22
andreasnyeah :(15:24
andreasnI've done a couple of trick to try to pick up as much as the desktop configuration can give TB though15:27
andreasnso apart from the tab-issue, it blends in pretty well15:28
andreasnI mean, before, they looked like winxp tabs15:30
kwwiiomg15:32
kwwiiwe did that on purpose :D15:32
andreasnno, I mean, it didn't pick up the native tab appearance before15:33
andreasnbut used a pixmap15:33
kwwiiyeah, I was just kidding ;)15:33
* kwwii heads out to the store and butcher...bbl15:54
andreasnmac_v, do you still want/need my opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/humanity/+bug/438148 ?16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438148 in humanity ""Network disconnected" indicator in the panel is hard to recognize" [Undecided,Won't fix]16:05
andreasnor did you resolve it?16:06
mac_vandreasn: IMO , i dont want to add the 'x'...  this is the same behavior in cellphones... so I dont think it is confusing... ;) ... havent changed it yet ... while the network errors will have the red colors... but if you feel otherwise do comment :)16:07
andreasnif I recall correctly, I think we use the [x] symbol for error-in-bluetooth, disabled-sound and probably some other places as well16:09
mac_vandreasn: not anywhere in humanity16:09
andreasnah, yes16:09
mac_vx is only used for errors , in humanity16:09
mac_vso this is consistent in humanity16:09
andreasnright, so if you have a symbol-language where x is always error, it might be good to stick with that16:12
andreasnand while no-network severely reduces the usage of a ubuntu installation, I guess it's not a error16:13
* mac_v nods16:13
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psyke83kwwii: sent the proposal to your mail, can you forward it to who needs to see it?18:17
kwwiipsyke83: yes, I will do that18:40
kwwiipsyke83: although they are quite busy trying to make a new default wallpaper18:40
kwwiiapparently today was a fun day to be in the office :D18:40
FLOZzHello all  _o/18:45
kwwiihi FLOZz18:47
FLOZzhi kwwii18:48
knomekwwii, o.O19:15
psyke83back19:18
psyke83kwwii: thanks ;). I'm doing my best to keep you all busy and stressed ;)19:18
kwwiihehe19:27
psyke83kwwii: I darkened the colours a bit, do you reckon they're still too bright?19:37
kwwiipsyke83: sorry, haven't had time to look at it yet...busy trying to get an svg of the xsplash ready (and finished the banner which goes on the website tomorrow)19:38
kwwiipsyke83: I promise I will check it out as soon as I have a chance19:38
psyke83sure thing... looking forward to seeing the new xsplash :)19:39
zniavregood evening / bonsoir19:57
zniavrei know it's not for karmic but this guy made a beautifull artwork software to thumbnails image/music folder19:57
zniavrehttp://software.flogisoft.com/cover-thumbnailer/fr/19:58
SiDii like the concept but i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases20:05
knomeme neither really20:06
knomeit's a bit obtrusive also, i think20:06
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knomed6g, hello. please consider not using awaynicks. thank you.20:08
zniavreho but he's here also it's FLOZz  who made this software20:08
SiDii wonder if it would be possible to do this in thunar with tumbler though20:09
knomeSiDi, well why not.20:09
SiDiit would actually be fairly easy, i imagine... as long as you can tell thunar how to determine if a file is a cover20:11
zniavreyou should ask him maybe ?20:11
knomewell, one could ask jannis to implement that20:11
SiDiFLOZz: how do you know if an image is a cover at the moment ?20:12
SiDidoes the user have to tell a regexp for the name of the cover ?20:12
mac_vzniavre: am i having a deja vous? or didnt you already show that link earlier ;)20:12
zniavremac_v,  maybe but i tought it was forgotten i do not want this soft forgotten i think it's really nice20:13
mac_v;)20:13
FLOZzSiDi: it depend of the folder20:30
FLOZzSiDi: for a music folder, cover thumbnailer search if there is a picture like cover.png, folder.png .cover.png,... in the folder...20:31
SiDii see20:31
FLOZzif there are not, it take the first picture it found20:31
kwwiiFLOZz: nice! I like ;)20:37
FLOZzkwwii: thanks =)20:38
FLOZzSiDi: "i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases" → I'm not so good... i know... but you can change the picture if you want ^^20:39
SiDiokey, FLOZz :P20:41
SiDiactually it can go very well with glossy themes, but i dont like glossy ;)20:41
FLOZz^^20:41
knomei agree with SiDi20:41
SiDiyou better do, cause i just received that kitten outfit i ordered20:42
knomexubuntu is definitely one of the glossiest distros either ;)20:42
knomeSiDi, haha20:42
knomeSiDi, are you sure it fits me?20:42
SiDihm, xubuntu isn't glossy :(20:42
SiDiknome: i took the Pasi model !20:42
knomehehe!20:42
SiDii'm not sure i wanna find out why they have a model named after you20:42
knome== X(10^2)L20:42
SiDiugh20:43
SiDii recall my sister bought me a lovely t-shirt in XXL20:43
SiDishe was thinking i was fat so she said she took the largest one to make sure it suits me20:43
SiDithe problem is that i wear M...20:43
knomehehe20:43
knomei usually have to wear XL ;(20:43
knomewhat's the default text editor in ubuntu?20:44
zniavrenano ?20:44
mac_vgedit20:44
FLOZzvim \o/20:44
SiDiits gedit20:44
knomeright20:44
SiDiits one of the many apps for which i have plugins to write x_x20:45
knomehmm?20:45
SiDibut i forgot which...20:45
knomeno, it was mousepad :P20:45
knomewrite a patch to change colors20:46
SiDifile a bug in mousepad on lp or xfce bugzilla and assign it to me ? :P20:48
SiDi(does mousepad have a maintainer ?)20:48
knomei don't know.20:48
knomeSiDi, http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322820:53
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 3228 in General "Syntax highlighting" [Enhancement,Assigned]20:53
knomeyou can implement that as well :P20:53
SiDiknome: i have the knowledge to do it, but certainly not the motivation20:56
SiDisyntax highlighting is so fastidious20:56
SiDiwhen i consider the media player and the DE dont need work anymore i might have a look at that though.. probably not before 10.10 or 11.0420:57
knomehttp://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580320:57
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 5803 in General "User-selectable FG/BG color" [Enhancement,New]20:57
MadsRHFLOZz -> cover-thumbnailer looks very nice. Reminds me of the OOo2 thumbnailer project, have you heard about that?21:05
FLOZzMadsRH: no21:05
FLOZzMadsRH: but create a OOo thumbnailer is very easy =)21:05
MadsRHFLOZz -> Oh, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7656621:05
MadsRHFLOZz -> I would know nothing about that, but to me it just seems they are doing the same thing.21:08
FLOZz¿21:08
FLOZzthey create a thumbnailer for open office files21:09
FLOZzme it's for folders21:09
FLOZz^^21:09
MadsRHI get your point - I'm just fixed on the work "thumbnail" ;-)21:11
MadsRHwork = word21:11
SiDiMadsRH: the thunar dev wrote a thumbnail generation daemon :P21:13
SiDiso you can use it if you write a nautilus plugin imo :P or write plugins to it for ooo thumbnails21:13
FLOZzcover thumbnailer doesn't work with thunar :(21:16
SiDii think it'll be fairly easy to do that in thunar 4.8, don't worry :]21:21
FLOZzSiDi: hum ?21:23
SiDimakeing a cover thumbnailer service in thunar 4.8 should be easy21:24
FLOZznautilus have a mime type for folders (inode/directory)21:24
FLOZzbut thunar...21:24
FLOZzand if a thumbnail is already generated in the .thumbnails folder, thunar don't care :/21:25
SiDithat'll change in 4.8, now it'll request thumbnails from a thumbnailer daemon independent from thunar21:29
SiDiand i think you should write a feature request for the mime type21:30
SiDion bugzilla.xfce.org21:30
SiDii'm 86,24% sure the dev will be interested into the feature21:30
FLOZzSiDi: ^^21:30
FLOZzI have just one problem... i'm not so good in english21:31
FLOZzbut i will try to explain it21:31
SiDiif you want you send me the thing in french and i write the report ;p21:34
FLOZzSiDi: you are french ¿21:34
SiDiActually i'm bretton ;P21:34
SiDi-t21:35
FLOZzxD21:35
FLOZzSiDi: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3508  i've found this21:37
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 3508 in general "Folder thumbnails" [Enhancement,New]21:37
FLOZzthx ubottu21:37
FLOZzgood bot \o/21:38
SiDii think folder thumbnails are only interesting in some edge cases with the user's consent (album cover being a perfect exemple). So the dev will probably want you to come with a proposal of implementation that is robust and flexible ;P21:39
FLOZz^^21:40
FLOZzBye21:48

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