[00:00] :P [00:00] kwwii: I'm chatting to asac, asking him if he needs a new bug filed in the event that firefox still has problems, or if it's ok to attach the issue to the same bug report and assign to firefox [00:06] cool [00:06] kwwii: chatting to micahg now, he's already prepared testing packages for the text box fix [00:06] killer :) [00:14] I am heading off to bed soon [00:17] kwwii: ok, I'll stay up a while and see what I can find out ;) [00:18] cool, catch you tomorrow [02:41] kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26069/screenshot_1_KlUCm6.png [02:41] Needs some work but a start for metacity [02:42] bzr branch lp:~dashua/human-theme/humantheme [02:42] I'll work on it more tomorrow [03:21] I can't seem to find a 32x32 size folder icon for the Human theme -- is this simply missing? [03:21] That sounds like a big oversight since 32x32 is what's actually shown in the Places menu [03:23] (needed for the winefolder icon at http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/wine-icon/ ) [03:38] actually the gnome menus use 24x24 pixel icons by default. :) [03:40] darkmatter: ahh well that at least makes some sense. Where is 32x32 seen? [03:42] mostly in the control center iirc (the 32x32 sizes in the spec started in suse, as the main-menu, app browser, and control center use them, and 48 renders horribly at that size). initially we had 16,22,24, and scalable. now we're 'evolving' to 16,22,24,32,48, and 256 withing icon-themes [03:43] basically scalable was a bunch of overrated hype :P [03:45] darkmatter: I guess in theory scalable was meant for things that grow in size dynamically (eg UNR hovering) but it turned out to be way too slow [03:45] aye [03:46] interesting casualty of this was Gnometris (it was up until now using a .svg render for every brick, making the game unplayably slow after the screen got about 1/4 filled) [03:48] brb... haven't caffeinated myself today. and it's now 8:47 pm (or 20:47 for the 'whats pm?' crowd).. I REAAALLLY need a fix [09:00] good morning [09:19] morning kwwii :) [09:42] hi knome [09:43] how are things coming up? [09:43] busy, busy...but coming along well [09:44] hehe, great :) [09:44] we did some work on the "pulse"/animated countdown banner yesterday [09:46] cool [09:46] http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html -> current state [09:46] Morning all! [09:46] mac_v: Question re "ad-hoc" icon [09:46] morning mat_t [09:47] mac_v: morning knome :) [09:47] mac_v: if the fix is released, what is the fix? [09:47] evening mat_t ;) [09:47] :) [09:47] mat_t: that is the icon for a device , if we change it further , it would not be usable in the apps [09:48] ok, but it's still a bug [09:48] the icon in the menu is misleading [09:48] I'm reopening it [09:48] yes , bug in nm , not in humanity , because there is not label yet to create [09:48] mat_t: ^ [09:48] there is no label* [09:49] ok [09:49] in that case it's invalid in Humanity [09:50] even better :) [10:02] Hi everyone ! [10:02] kwwii, big thumb up for Ubuntu artwork [10:02] Amazing job ! [10:15] bersace_nerim: thnx, I didn't do it alone though ;) The teamwork has been gret [10:16] great [10:16] good to see the work done by the team :) [10:16] i'm so glad that finally, Ubuntu get icons theme that blend well with Tango ! [10:16] :) [10:17] lol, that is the worst part about them, if you ask me [10:30] especially when you consider the tango style wasn't a 'by choice' adoption. it was 'pester you until you cave in' [10:32] I have said I think it's better, but I'm sorry if I made someone felt me (and perhaps lapo too) have been pestering anyone [10:33] Are you speaking about the email in ayatana about gnome hig & tango ? [10:37] but I can't recall mentioning anything about for quite a while now, I shut up and draw [10:41] kwwii, they blend far better with Tango than Human ! [10:55] mac_v: the lock icon is a lot better! [10:56] mac_v: it still overlaps with some icons though (when you have full connection) [10:56] mat_t: could you show me a screenshot? so that i could adjust it accordingly? [10:56] sure [10:57] I'll file a bug [11:07] mac_v: #439261 [11:07] Bug #439261 [11:07] Launchpad bug 439261 in humanity-icon-theme "Wireless connection icon in the network menu overlaps with the lock icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439261 [11:08] mat_t: how does a broken shield work? for the third icon of a security risk with adhoc [11:09] mac_v: that could work, too. I don't think it's worth introducing yet another metaphor for security [11:09] mac_v: we don't really use shields anywhere, do we? [11:09] mat_t: we used to , use it but now we dont [11:10] mac_v: I think shield would work for Windows users, but that would have to be a system-wide decision [11:10] mac_v: that's why I think we should try the lock first [11:11] mat_t: nm applet also had a shield , displayed for secure connections , until the recent update... only now it is used as an overlay icon [11:11] the lock icon is now for secure , it has now become an overlay icon [11:12] previously , it was simply a shield next to the wireless signal [11:12] mac_v: I see. We can definitely try both and see which works better visually. [11:17] mat_t: the overlay problem has been fixed a few days ago , i believe, could you download the theme again and test it? [11:18] lol! not few days ago , i think yesterday [11:18] hello everyone [11:18] im here for a little help [11:19] a i made an ubuntu-tux logo and would like to sned it to community if anyone is interested [11:20] but so far i couldnt find to whom i can send it [11:20] rolo-svk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/ [11:20] mac_v: ok :) [11:20] thnx knome, but a cannot find an adrres to send to :( [11:21] address [11:21] rolo-svk, you have to register, then create a new subpage [11:21] and you can then add attachments [11:21] knome: ah... thnx, i didnt know [11:22] so im going to... ;) [11:22] thnx again [11:22] no problem [13:58] kwwii: I think we should set the trough back to 2. There's three related bugs. One: clicking doesn't grab the scrollbar - proposed fix is available. Two: Firefox's text boxes on websites render the trough incorrectly - fix released. Three: You can't edge-click on the scrollbar (to jump page or grab the scrollbar) - bug filed upstream and on Launchpad [13:58] the third bug is being looked at [14:01] *Third bug, I meant to say, only applies to Firefox [14:02] psyke83: yes, I am goign to look into making it larger again.... [14:02] psyke83: also, I have a bug about the selection of buttons [14:02] it seems that people are mistaking the selected button for already clicked [14:03] kwwii: got a bug reference? You mean a toggled button such as togglebutton1 in the widget factory? [14:03] yepp [14:04] it looks like that, but is a normal button [14:04] seb mentioned it yesterday, let me check if he made a bug [14:04] that's this line, in the default style property: [14:04] bg[ACTIVE] = shade (0.88, @bg_color) [14:05] psyke83: yeah...I wanted to ask you for ideas to change it before doing anything [14:06] god forbid, I am showing respect - must be ill :p [14:06] :P [14:07] was it a problem when the theme was lighter? [14:07] nope [14:07] at least, I never noticed it and nobody ever menitoned it [14:08] it is noticeable on confirmation dialogs...the button looks like it is already clicked although it is not [14:09] kwwii: http://img8.imageshack.us/i/humanityv08.png/ [14:09] that looks ok? [14:10] kwwii: hmm, that's a different issue entirely [14:10] I think you're thinking of the pre-chosen buttons, not pressed buttons [14:10] yes, the pre-chosen buttons look like they are pressed ;) [14:10] e.g., Terminal Server Client [14:10] ah ok, that's a different fix [14:11] it looks dark because they used to prelight to a nice light orange, but since we have the dark selection colour, it's darker [14:11] what effect would you like for these pre-chosen buttons? [14:12] yeah [14:12] I think tha ta simple slight orange line around it would be nice [14:12] ;) [14:12] mac_v: there's something horribly wrong with the wireless icons now... [14:12] or it could be lighter than the bgNormal [14:13] visually, it just has to slightly give you the impression that you should click it [14:13] mat_t: asac wanted wwan to be different from the wireless icon [14:14] it would look different... it is too bad ? [14:14] ok, asac is not making decisions like that [14:15] it just looks bad, we have 2 different icons + one of them still overlaps with the lock... [14:16] I am really glad I finished up all my work on the human network manager icons before we threw them away [14:16] kwwii: ;) [14:16] mat_t: btw, how hard would it be to make an svg version of the xsplash in your opinion? [14:16] mat_t: the lock definately wont overlap [14:17] screenshot pls [14:17] no need another bug ;p [14:17] kwwii: I guess quite hard, you probably have more experience with svgs [14:17] mat_t: it would save a) space on the CD and b) be scalable without banding [14:17] mac_v: ok, one sec [14:17] kwwii: yes, ted suggested that [14:17] mat_t: I started to make one based on the pixmaps, but wanted to understand how it is put together [14:18] kwwii: you're welcome to have a go, I don't really have time [14:18] mat_t: I currently have gradient from warm-dark-red to black in the bg and a light from above kinda lighting a stage [14:18] kwwii: I'll send you the psd [14:18] mat_t: hehe, I only wanted your input on it [14:18] :) [14:18] mat_t: that would be *perfect* [14:19] kwwii: sending gtkrc, want me to set trough to 2? [14:19] psyke83: sure, it'll save me a ms [14:19] thanks! [14:20] kwwii: it may not be trivial, looking at the psd ;) [14:23] mat_t: yeah, that is what I thought...I'm going to see what I can come up with. If it takes too long I'll give up ;) [14:23] I have learned to appreciate the complexity of your psd files :D [14:23] kwwii: sent, it's now the same as the focus colour (a light orangey shade :P) [14:23] psyke83: excellent, thanks [14:24] no prob [14:24] now all I have left to do is to convince you to use the new metacity ;) [14:26] :D [14:26] psyke83: how about this, we'll make screenshots and I will suggest it to the rest of the design team, see what they say [14:28] kwwii: I can do that. I'll darken the colours, since that was their argument against it. If you can suggest anything else, let me know [14:29] let me play with it, though, don't worry too much, since you've lots of other things to do [14:31] psyke83: cool...my wife is on a business trip to I'm home alone with my son...going to be offline from about 17:00 CET until he goes to bed at 21:00 [14:31] s/to/so [14:32] kwwii: sure. I'll modify the metacity and make a few proposals, take screenshots of each one, and then e-mail the whole thing to you [14:32] killer, thanks === d6g|away is now known as d6g [14:45] kwwii: file is massive [14:46] over 100 MB [14:46] mat_t: LOL [14:46] maybe in ubuntuone? :D [14:48] heh [14:48] maybe [14:48] if that works, I'll be more than impressed [14:49] I'll try that later - busy with other stuff atm [14:57] hm, thunderbird trunk looks broken using the new default ubuntu theme [14:59] andreasn: screen? [14:59] seems to work ok, here on my updated jaunty system [14:59] let me check it on karmic [15:00] not-super-broken I have to add [15:00] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/184285/tb-ubuntu.png [15:00] it's just that the tab looks a bit odd [15:01] and I guess that's partly my fault, I think I expected the tab color and main window color to always be pretty much the same tint [15:04] not much any of us can do about it either :/ [15:10] andreasn: yes... in the past the Murrine engine drew an orange strip on the active tab, but that's gone now... so we need to do other things to differentiate active tabs from inactive === d6g is now known as d6g|away [15:12] I see, yeah, I don't have any good solution to this problem [15:12] I can't really use the tab of the color to the rest of the window either [15:13] so things will look odd to a majority of the Linux TB users, but they are a tough bunch that are used to things looking a bit odd in general, so it might be ok anyway [15:18] luckily, TB is not installed by default ;) [15:20] yeah, and because of that I don't really expect you guys to "visually support it", so to say [15:21] in this case, there is little we could do to fix it...otherwise tabs in nautilus, etc. get lost [15:22] FF, TB and OOo [15:22] my artwork enemies ;) [15:24] yeah :( [15:27] I've done a couple of trick to try to pick up as much as the desktop configuration can give TB though [15:28] so apart from the tab-issue, it blends in pretty well [15:30] I mean, before, they looked like winxp tabs [15:32] omg [15:32] we did that on purpose :D [15:33] no, I mean, it didn't pick up the native tab appearance before [15:33] but used a pixmap [15:33] yeah, I was just kidding ;) [15:54] * kwwii heads out to the store and butcher...bbl [16:05] mac_v, do you still want/need my opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/humanity/+bug/438148 ? [16:05] Launchpad bug 438148 in humanity ""Network disconnected" indicator in the panel is hard to recognize" [Undecided,Won't fix] [16:06] or did you resolve it? [16:07] andreasn: IMO , i dont want to add the 'x'... this is the same behavior in cellphones... so I dont think it is confusing... ;) ... havent changed it yet ... while the network errors will have the red colors... but if you feel otherwise do comment :) [16:09] if I recall correctly, I think we use the [x] symbol for error-in-bluetooth, disabled-sound and probably some other places as well [16:09] andreasn: not anywhere in humanity [16:09] ah, yes [16:09] x is only used for errors , in humanity [16:09] so this is consistent in humanity [16:12] right, so if you have a symbol-language where x is always error, it might be good to stick with that [16:13] and while no-network severely reduces the usage of a ubuntu installation, I guess it's not a error [16:13] * mac_v nods === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [18:17] kwwii: sent the proposal to your mail, can you forward it to who needs to see it? [18:40] psyke83: yes, I will do that [18:40] psyke83: although they are quite busy trying to make a new default wallpaper [18:40] apparently today was a fun day to be in the office :D [18:45] Hello all _o/ [18:47] hi FLOZz [18:48] hi kwwii [19:15] kwwii, o.O [19:18] back [19:18] kwwii: thanks ;). I'm doing my best to keep you all busy and stressed ;) [19:27] hehe [19:37] kwwii: I darkened the colours a bit, do you reckon they're still too bright? [19:38] psyke83: sorry, haven't had time to look at it yet...busy trying to get an svg of the xsplash ready (and finished the banner which goes on the website tomorrow) [19:38] psyke83: I promise I will check it out as soon as I have a chance [19:39] sure thing... looking forward to seeing the new xsplash :) [19:57] good evening / bonsoir [19:57] i know it's not for karmic but this guy made a beautifull artwork software to thumbnails image/music folder [19:58] http://software.flogisoft.com/cover-thumbnailer/fr/ [20:05] i like the concept but i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases [20:06] me neither really [20:06] it's a bit obtrusive also, i think === d6g|away is now known as d6g [20:08] d6g, hello. please consider not using awaynicks. thank you. [20:08] ho but he's here also it's FLOZz who made this software [20:09] i wonder if it would be possible to do this in thunar with tumbler though [20:09] SiDi, well why not. [20:11] it would actually be fairly easy, i imagine... as long as you can tell thunar how to determine if a file is a cover [20:11] you should ask him maybe ? [20:11] well, one could ask jannis to implement that [20:12] FLOZz: how do you know if an image is a cover at the moment ? [20:12] does the user have to tell a regexp for the name of the cover ? [20:12] zniavre: am i having a deja vous? or didnt you already show that link earlier ;) [20:13] mac_v, maybe but i tought it was forgotten i do not want this soft forgotten i think it's really nice [20:13] ;) [20:30] SiDi: it depend of the folder [20:31] SiDi: for a music folder, cover thumbnailer search if there is a picture like cover.png, folder.png .cover.png,... in the folder... [20:31] i see [20:31] if there are not, it take the first picture it found [20:37] FLOZz: nice! I like ;) [20:38] kwwii: thanks =) [20:39] SiDi: "i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases" → I'm not so good... i know... but you can change the picture if you want ^^ [20:41] okey, FLOZz :P [20:41] actually it can go very well with glossy themes, but i dont like glossy ;) [20:41] ^^ [20:41] i agree with SiDi [20:42] you better do, cause i just received that kitten outfit i ordered [20:42] xubuntu is definitely one of the glossiest distros either ;) [20:42] SiDi, haha [20:42] SiDi, are you sure it fits me? [20:42] hm, xubuntu isn't glossy :( [20:42] knome: i took the Pasi model ! [20:42] hehe! [20:42] i'm not sure i wanna find out why they have a model named after you [20:42] == X(10^2)L [20:43] ugh [20:43] i recall my sister bought me a lovely t-shirt in XXL [20:43] she was thinking i was fat so she said she took the largest one to make sure it suits me [20:43] the problem is that i wear M... [20:43] hehe [20:43] i usually have to wear XL ;( [20:44] what's the default text editor in ubuntu? [20:44] nano ? [20:44] gedit [20:44] vim \o/ [20:44] its gedit [20:44] right [20:45] its one of the many apps for which i have plugins to write x_x [20:45] hmm? [20:45] but i forgot which... [20:45] no, it was mousepad :P [20:46] write a patch to change colors [20:48] file a bug in mousepad on lp or xfce bugzilla and assign it to me ? :P [20:48] (does mousepad have a maintainer ?) [20:48] i don't know. [20:53] SiDi, http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3228 [20:53] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 3228 in General "Syntax highlighting" [Enhancement,Assigned] [20:53] you can implement that as well :P [20:56] knome: i have the knowledge to do it, but certainly not the motivation [20:56] syntax highlighting is so fastidious [20:57] when i consider the media player and the DE dont need work anymore i might have a look at that though.. probably not before 10.10 or 11.04 [20:57] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5803 [20:57] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 5803 in General "User-selectable FG/BG color" [Enhancement,New] [21:05] FLOZz -> cover-thumbnailer looks very nice. Reminds me of the OOo2 thumbnailer project, have you heard about that? [21:05] MadsRH: no [21:05] MadsRH: but create a OOo thumbnailer is very easy =) [21:05] FLOZz -> Oh, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76566 [21:08] FLOZz -> I would know nothing about that, but to me it just seems they are doing the same thing. [21:08] ¿ [21:09] they create a thumbnailer for open office files [21:09] me it's for folders [21:09] ^^ [21:11] I get your point - I'm just fixed on the work "thumbnail" ;-) [21:11] work = word [21:13] MadsRH: the thunar dev wrote a thumbnail generation daemon :P [21:13] so you can use it if you write a nautilus plugin imo :P or write plugins to it for ooo thumbnails [21:16] cover thumbnailer doesn't work with thunar :( [21:21] i think it'll be fairly easy to do that in thunar 4.8, don't worry :] [21:23] SiDi: hum ? [21:24] makeing a cover thumbnailer service in thunar 4.8 should be easy [21:24] nautilus have a mime type for folders (inode/directory) [21:24] but thunar... [21:25] and if a thumbnail is already generated in the .thumbnails folder, thunar don't care :/ [21:29] that'll change in 4.8, now it'll request thumbnails from a thumbnailer daemon independent from thunar [21:30] and i think you should write a feature request for the mime type [21:30] on bugzilla.xfce.org [21:30] i'm 86,24% sure the dev will be interested into the feature [21:30] SiDi: ^^ [21:31] I have just one problem... i'm not so good in english [21:31] but i will try to explain it [21:34] if you want you send me the thing in french and i write the report ;p [21:34] SiDi: you are french ¿ [21:34] Actually i'm bretton ;P [21:35] -t [21:35] xD [21:37] SiDi: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3508 i've found this [21:37] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 3508 in general "Folder thumbnails" [Enhancement,New] [21:37] thx ubottu [21:38] good bot \o/ [21:39] i think folder thumbnails are only interesting in some edge cases with the user's consent (album cover being a perfect exemple). So the dev will probably want you to come with a proposal of implementation that is robust and flexible ;P [21:40] ^^ [21:48] Bye