[00:00] <psyke83> :P
[00:00] <psyke83> kwwii: I'm chatting to asac, asking him if he needs a new bug filed in the event that firefox still has problems, or if it's ok to attach the issue to the same bug report and assign to firefox
[00:06] <kwwii> cool
[00:06] <psyke83> kwwii: chatting to micahg now, he's already prepared testing packages for the text box fix
[00:06] <kwwii> killer :)
[00:14] <kwwii> I am heading off to bed soon
[00:17] <psyke83> kwwii: ok, I'll stay up a while and see what I can find out ;)
[00:18] <kwwii> cool, catch you tomorrow
[02:41] <dashua> kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26069/screenshot_1_KlUCm6.png
[02:41] <dashua> Needs some work but a start for metacity
[02:42] <dashua> bzr branch lp:~dashua/human-theme/humantheme
[02:42] <dashua> I'll work on it more tomorrow
[03:21] <YokoZar> I can't seem to find a 32x32 size folder icon for the Human theme -- is this simply missing?
[03:21] <YokoZar> That sounds like a big oversight since 32x32 is what's actually shown in the Places menu
[03:23] <YokoZar> (needed for the winefolder icon at http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/wine-icon/ )
[03:38] <darkmatter> actually the gnome menus use 24x24 pixel icons by default. :)
[03:40] <YokoZar> darkmatter: ahh well that at least makes some sense.  Where is 32x32 seen?
[03:42] <darkmatter> mostly in the control center iirc (the 32x32 sizes in the spec started in suse, as the main-menu, app browser, and control center use them, and 48 renders horribly at that size). initially we had 16,22,24, and scalable. now we're 'evolving' to 16,22,24,32,48, and 256 withing icon-themes
[03:43] <darkmatter> basically scalable was a bunch of overrated hype :P
[03:45] <YokoZar> darkmatter: I guess in theory scalable was meant for things that grow in size dynamically (eg UNR hovering) but it turned out to be way too slow
[03:45] <darkmatter> aye
[03:46] <YokoZar> interesting casualty of this was Gnometris (it was up until now using a .svg render for every brick, making the game unplayably slow after the screen got about 1/4 filled)
[03:48] <darkmatter> brb... haven't caffeinated myself today. and it's now 8:47 pm (or 20:47 for the 'whats pm?' crowd).. I REAAALLLY need a fix
[09:00] <kwwii> good morning
[09:19] <knome> morning kwwii :)
[09:42] <kwwii> hi knome
[09:43] <knome> how are things coming up?
[09:43] <kwwii> busy, busy...but coming along well
[09:44] <knome> hehe, great :)
[09:44] <knome> we did some work on the "pulse"/animated countdown banner yesterday
[09:46] <kwwii> cool
[09:46] <knome> http://markus.alshain.fi/markus/deve/slider/slider03.html -> current state
[09:46] <mat_t> Morning all!
[09:46] <mat_t> mac_v: Question re "ad-hoc" icon
[09:46] <knome> morning mat_t
[09:47] <mat_t> mac_v: morning knome :)
[09:47] <mat_t> mac_v: if the fix is released, what is the fix?
[09:47] <mac_v> evening mat_t ;)
[09:47] <mat_t> :)
[09:47] <mac_v> mat_t: that is the icon for a device , if we change it further , it would not be usable in the apps
[09:48] <mat_t> ok, but it's still a bug
[09:48] <mat_t> the icon in the menu is misleading
[09:48] <mat_t> I'm reopening it
[09:48] <mac_v> yes , bug in nm , not in humanity , because there is not label yet to create
[09:48] <mac_v> mat_t: ^
[09:48] <mac_v> there is no label*
[09:49] <mat_t> ok
[09:49] <mat_t> in that case it's invalid in Humanity
[09:50] <mac_v> even better :)
[10:02] <bersace_nerim> Hi everyone !
[10:02] <bersace_nerim> kwwii, big thumb up for Ubuntu artwork
[10:02] <bersace_nerim> Amazing job !
[10:15] <kwwii> bersace_nerim: thnx, I didn't do it alone though ;) The teamwork has been gret
[10:16] <kwwii> great
[10:16] <bersace_nerim> good to see the work done by the team :)
[10:16] <bersace_nerim> i'm so glad that finally, Ubuntu get icons theme that blend well with Tango !
[10:16] <bersace_nerim> :)
[10:17] <kwwii> lol, that is the worst part about them, if you ask me
[10:30] <darkmatter> especially when you consider the tango style wasn't a 'by choice' adoption. it was 'pester you until you cave in'
[10:32] <andreasn> I have said I think it's better, but I'm sorry if I made someone felt me (and perhaps lapo too) have been pestering anyone
[10:33] <SiDi> Are you speaking about the email in ayatana about gnome hig & tango ?
[10:37] <andreasn> but I can't recall mentioning anything about for quite a while now, I shut up and draw
[10:41] <bersace_nerim> kwwii, they blend far better with Tango than Human !
[10:55] <mat_t> mac_v: the lock icon is a lot better!
[10:56] <mat_t> mac_v: it still overlaps with some icons though (when you have full connection)
[10:56] <mac_v> mat_t: could you show me a screenshot? so that i could adjust it accordingly?
[10:56] <mat_t> sure
[10:57] <mat_t> I'll file a bug
[11:07] <mat_t> mac_v: #439261
[11:07] <mac_v> Bug #439261
[11:08] <mac_v> mat_t: how does a broken shield work? for the third icon of a security risk with adhoc
[11:09] <mat_t> mac_v: that could work, too. I don't think it's worth introducing yet another metaphor for security
[11:09] <mat_t> mac_v: we don't really use shields anywhere, do we?
[11:09] <mac_v> mat_t: we used to , use it but now we dont
[11:10] <mat_t> mac_v: I think shield would work for Windows users, but that would have to be a system-wide decision
[11:10] <mat_t> mac_v: that's why I think we should try the lock first
[11:11] <mac_v> mat_t: nm applet also had a shield , displayed for secure connections , until the recent update... only now it is used as an overlay icon
[11:11] <mac_v> the lock icon is now for secure , it has now become an overlay icon
[11:12] <mac_v> previously , it was simply a shield next to the wireless signal
[11:12] <mat_t> mac_v: I see. We can definitely try both and see which works better visually.
[11:17] <mac_v> mat_t: the overlay problem has been fixed a few days ago , i believe, could you download the theme again and test it?
[11:18] <mac_v> lol! not few days ago , i think yesterday
[11:18] <rolo-svk> hello everyone
[11:18] <rolo-svk> im here for a little help
[11:19] <rolo-svk> a i made an ubuntu-tux logo and would like to sned it to community if anyone is interested
[11:20] <rolo-svk> but so far i couldnt find to whom i can send it
[11:20] <knome> rolo-svk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/
[11:20] <mat_t> mac_v: ok :)
[11:20] <rolo-svk> thnx knome, but a cannot find an adrres to send to :(
[11:21] <rolo-svk> address
[11:21] <knome> rolo-svk, you have to register, then create a new subpage
[11:21] <knome> and you can then add attachments
[11:21] <rolo-svk> knome: ah... thnx, i didnt know
[11:22] <rolo-svk> so im going to... ;)
[11:22] <rolo-svk> thnx again
[11:22] <knome> no problem
[13:58] <psyke83> kwwii: I think we should set the trough back to 2. There's three related bugs. One: clicking doesn't grab the scrollbar - proposed fix is available. Two: Firefox's text boxes on websites render the trough incorrectly - fix released. Three: You can't edge-click on the scrollbar (to jump page or grab the scrollbar) - bug filed upstream and on Launchpad
[13:58] <psyke83> the third bug is being looked at
[14:01] <psyke83> *Third bug, I meant to say, only applies to Firefox
[14:02] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, I am goign to look into making it larger again....
[14:02] <kwwii> psyke83: also, I have a bug about the selection of buttons
[14:02] <kwwii> it seems that people are mistaking the selected button for already clicked
[14:03] <psyke83> kwwii: got a bug reference? You mean a toggled button such as togglebutton1 in the widget factory?
[14:03] <kwwii> yepp
[14:04] <kwwii> it looks like that, but is a normal button
[14:04] <kwwii> seb mentioned it yesterday, let me check if he made a bug
[14:04] <psyke83> that's this line, in the default style property:
[14:04] <psyke83> 	bg[ACTIVE]        = shade (0.88, @bg_color)
[14:05] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah...I wanted to ask you for ideas to change it before doing anything
[14:06] <kwwii> god forbid, I am showing respect - must be ill :p
[14:06] <psyke83> :P
[14:07] <psyke83> was it a problem when the theme was lighter?
[14:07] <kwwii> nope
[14:07] <kwwii> at least, I never noticed it and nobody ever menitoned it
[14:08] <kwwii> it is noticeable on confirmation dialogs...the button looks like it is already clicked although it is not
[14:09] <psyke83> kwwii: http://img8.imageshack.us/i/humanityv08.png/
[14:09] <psyke83> that looks ok?
[14:10] <psyke83> kwwii: hmm, that's a  different issue entirely
[14:10] <psyke83> I think you're thinking of the pre-chosen buttons, not pressed buttons
[14:10] <kwwii> yes, the pre-chosen buttons look like they are pressed ;)
[14:10] <psyke83> e.g., Terminal Server Client
[14:10] <psyke83> ah ok, that's a different fix
[14:11] <psyke83> it looks dark because they used to prelight to a nice light orange, but since we have the dark selection colour, it's darker
[14:11] <psyke83> what effect would you like for these pre-chosen buttons?
[14:12] <kwwii> yeah
[14:12] <kwwii> I think tha ta simple slight orange line around it would be nice
[14:12] <kwwii> ;)
[14:12] <mat_t> mac_v: there's something horribly wrong with the wireless icons now...
[14:12] <kwwii> or it could be lighter than the bgNormal
[14:13] <kwwii> visually, it just has to slightly give you the impression that you should click it
[14:13] <mac_v> mat_t: asac wanted wwan to be different from the wireless icon
[14:14] <mac_v> it would look different... it is too bad ?
[14:14] <mat_t> ok, asac is not making decisions like that
[14:15] <mat_t> it just looks bad, we have 2 different icons + one of them still overlaps with the lock...
[14:16] <kwwii> I am really glad I finished up all my work on the human network manager icons before we threw them away
[14:16] <mat_t> kwwii: ;)
[14:16] <kwwii> mat_t: btw, how hard would it be to make an svg version of the xsplash in your opinion?
[14:16] <mac_v> mat_t: the lock definately wont overlap
[14:17] <mac_v> screenshot pls
[14:17] <mac_v> no need another bug ;p
[14:17] <mat_t> kwwii: I guess quite hard, you probably have more experience with svgs
[14:17] <kwwii> mat_t: it would save a) space on the CD and b) be scalable without banding
[14:17] <mat_t> mac_v: ok, one sec
[14:17] <mat_t> kwwii: yes, ted suggested that
[14:17] <kwwii> mat_t: I started to make one based on the pixmaps, but wanted to understand how it is put together
[14:18] <mat_t> kwwii: you're welcome to have a go, I don't really have time
[14:18] <kwwii> mat_t: I currently have gradient from warm-dark-red to black in the bg and a light from above kinda lighting a stage
[14:18] <mat_t> kwwii: I'll send you the psd
[14:18] <kwwii> mat_t: hehe, I only wanted your input on it
[14:18] <mat_t> :)
[14:18] <kwwii> mat_t: that would be *perfect*
[14:19] <psyke83> kwwii: sending gtkrc, want me to set trough to 2?
[14:19] <kwwii> psyke83: sure, it'll save me a ms
[14:19] <kwwii> thanks!
[14:20] <mat_t> kwwii: it may not be trivial, looking at the psd ;)
[14:23] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, that is what I thought...I'm going to see what I can come up with. If it takes too long I'll give up ;)
[14:23] <kwwii> I have learned to appreciate the complexity of your psd files :D
[14:23] <psyke83> kwwii: sent, it's now the same as the focus colour (a light orangey shade :P)
[14:23] <kwwii> psyke83: excellent, thanks
[14:24] <psyke83> no prob
[14:24] <psyke83> now all I have left to do is to convince you to use the new metacity ;)
[14:26] <kwwii> :D
[14:26] <kwwii> psyke83: how about this, we'll make screenshots and I will suggest it to the rest of the design team, see what they say
[14:28] <psyke83> kwwii: I can do that. I'll darken the colours, since that was their argument against it. If you can suggest anything else, let me know
[14:29] <psyke83> let me play with it, though, don't worry too much, since you've lots of other things to do
[14:31] <kwwii> psyke83: cool...my wife is on a business trip to I'm home alone with my son...going to be offline from about 17:00 CET until he goes to bed at 21:00
[14:31] <kwwii> s/to/so
[14:32] <psyke83> kwwii: sure. I'll modify the metacity and make a few proposals, take screenshots of each one, and then e-mail the whole thing to you
[14:32] <kwwii> killer, thanks
[14:45] <mat_t> kwwii: file is massive
[14:46] <mat_t> over 100  MB
[14:46] <kwwii> mat_t: LOL
[14:46] <kwwii> maybe in ubuntuone? :D
[14:48] <mat_t> heh
[14:48] <mat_t> maybe
[14:48] <mat_t> if that works, I'll be more than impressed
[14:49] <mat_t> I'll try that later - busy with other stuff atm
[14:57] <andreasn> hm, thunderbird trunk looks broken using the new default ubuntu theme
[14:59] <kwwii> andreasn: screen?
[14:59] <kwwii> seems to work ok, here on my updated jaunty system
[14:59] <kwwii> let me check it on karmic
[15:00] <andreasn> not-super-broken I have to add
[15:00] <andreasn> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/184285/tb-ubuntu.png
[15:00] <andreasn> it's just that the tab looks a bit odd
[15:01] <andreasn> and I guess that's partly my fault, I think I expected the tab color and main window color to always be pretty much the same tint
[15:04] <andreasn> not much any of us can do about it either :/
[15:10] <psyke83> andreasn: yes... in the past the Murrine engine drew an orange strip on the active tab, but that's gone now... so we need to do other things to differentiate active tabs from inactive
[15:12] <andreasn> I see, yeah, I don't have any good solution to this problem
[15:12] <andreasn> I can't really use the tab of the color to the rest of the window either
[15:13] <andreasn> so things will look odd to a majority of the Linux TB users, but they are a tough bunch that are used to things looking a bit odd in general, so it might be ok anyway
[15:18] <kwwii> luckily, TB is not installed by default ;)
[15:20] <andreasn> yeah, and because of that I don't really expect you guys to "visually support it", so to say
[15:21] <kwwii> in this case, there is little we could do to fix it...otherwise tabs in nautilus, etc. get lost
[15:22] <kwwii> FF, TB and OOo
[15:22] <kwwii> my artwork enemies ;)
[15:24] <andreasn> yeah :(
[15:27] <andreasn> I've done a couple of trick to try to pick up as much as the desktop configuration can give TB though
[15:28] <andreasn> so apart from the tab-issue, it blends in pretty well
[15:30] <andreasn> I mean, before, they looked like winxp tabs
[15:32] <kwwii> omg
[15:32] <kwwii> we did that on purpose :D
[15:33] <andreasn> no, I mean, it didn't pick up the native tab appearance before
[15:33] <andreasn> but used a pixmap
[15:33] <kwwii> yeah, I was just kidding ;)
[15:54]  * kwwii heads out to the store and butcher...bbl
[16:05] <andreasn> mac_v, do you still want/need my opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/humanity/+bug/438148 ?
[16:06] <andreasn> or did you resolve it?
[16:07] <mac_v> andreasn: IMO , i dont want to add the 'x'...  this is the same behavior in cellphones... so I dont think it is confusing... ;) ... havent changed it yet ... while the network errors will have the red colors... but if you feel otherwise do comment :)
[16:09] <andreasn> if I recall correctly, I think we use the [x] symbol for error-in-bluetooth, disabled-sound and probably some other places as well
[16:09] <mac_v> andreasn: not anywhere in humanity
[16:09] <andreasn> ah, yes
[16:09] <mac_v> x is only used for errors , in humanity
[16:09] <mac_v> so this is consistent in humanity
[16:12] <andreasn> right, so if you have a symbol-language where x is always error, it might be good to stick with that
[16:13] <andreasn> and while no-network severely reduces the usage of a ubuntu installation, I guess it's not a error
[16:13]  * mac_v nods
[18:17] <psyke83> kwwii: sent the proposal to your mail, can you forward it to who needs to see it?
[18:40] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, I will do that
[18:40] <kwwii> psyke83: although they are quite busy trying to make a new default wallpaper
[18:40] <kwwii> apparently today was a fun day to be in the office :D
[18:45] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[18:47] <kwwii> hi FLOZz
[18:48] <FLOZz> hi kwwii
[19:15] <knome> kwwii, o.O
[19:18] <psyke83> back
[19:18] <psyke83> kwwii: thanks ;). I'm doing my best to keep you all busy and stressed ;)
[19:27] <kwwii> hehe
[19:37] <psyke83> kwwii: I darkened the colours a bit, do you reckon they're still too bright?
[19:38] <kwwii> psyke83: sorry, haven't had time to look at it yet...busy trying to get an svg of the xsplash ready (and finished the banner which goes on the website tomorrow)
[19:38] <kwwii> psyke83: I promise I will check it out as soon as I have a chance
[19:39] <psyke83> sure thing... looking forward to seeing the new xsplash :)
[19:57] <zniavre> good evening / bonsoir
[19:57] <zniavre> i know it's not for karmic but this guy made a beautifull artwork software to thumbnails image/music folder
[19:58] <zniavre> http://software.flogisoft.com/cover-thumbnailer/fr/
[20:05] <SiDi> i like the concept but i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases
[20:06] <knome> me neither really
[20:06] <knome> it's a bit obtrusive also, i think
[20:08] <knome> d6g, hello. please consider not using awaynicks. thank you.
[20:08] <zniavre> ho but he's here also it's FLOZz  who made this software
[20:09] <SiDi> i wonder if it would be possible to do this in thunar with tumbler though
[20:09] <knome> SiDi, well why not.
[20:11] <SiDi> it would actually be fairly easy, i imagine... as long as you can tell thunar how to determine if a file is a cover
[20:11] <zniavre> you should ask him maybe ?
[20:11] <knome> well, one could ask jannis to implement that
[20:12] <SiDi> FLOZz: how do you know if an image is a cover at the moment ?
[20:12] <SiDi> does the user have to tell a regexp for the name of the cover ?
[20:12] <mac_v> zniavre: am i having a deja vous? or didnt you already show that link earlier ;)
[20:13] <zniavre> mac_v,  maybe but i tought it was forgotten i do not want this soft forgotten i think it's really nice
[20:13] <mac_v> ;)
[20:30] <FLOZz> SiDi: it depend of the folder
[20:31] <FLOZz> SiDi: for a music folder, cover thumbnailer search if there is a picture like cover.png, folder.png .cover.png,... in the folder...
[20:31] <SiDi> i see
[20:31] <FLOZz> if there are not, it take the first picture it found
[20:37] <kwwii> FLOZz: nice! I like ;)
[20:38] <FLOZz> kwwii: thanks =)
[20:39] <FLOZz> SiDi: "i'm not a big fan of the look of the image folders and CD cases" → I'm not so good... i know... but you can change the picture if you want ^^
[20:41] <SiDi> okey, FLOZz :P
[20:41] <SiDi> actually it can go very well with glossy themes, but i dont like glossy ;)
[20:41] <FLOZz> ^^
[20:41] <knome> i agree with SiDi
[20:42] <SiDi> you better do, cause i just received that kitten outfit i ordered
[20:42] <knome> xubuntu is definitely one of the glossiest distros either ;)
[20:42] <knome> SiDi, haha
[20:42] <knome> SiDi, are you sure it fits me?
[20:42] <SiDi> hm, xubuntu isn't glossy :(
[20:42] <SiDi> knome: i took the Pasi model !
[20:42] <knome> hehe!
[20:42] <SiDi> i'm not sure i wanna find out why they have a model named after you
[20:42] <knome> == X(10^2)L
[20:43] <SiDi> ugh
[20:43] <SiDi> i recall my sister bought me a lovely t-shirt in XXL
[20:43] <SiDi> she was thinking i was fat so she said she took the largest one to make sure it suits me
[20:43] <SiDi> the problem is that i wear M...
[20:43] <knome> hehe
[20:43] <knome> i usually have to wear XL ;(
[20:44] <knome> what's the default text editor in ubuntu?
[20:44] <zniavre> nano ?
[20:44] <mac_v> gedit
[20:44] <FLOZz> vim \o/
[20:44] <SiDi> its gedit
[20:44] <knome> right
[20:45] <SiDi> its one of the many apps for which i have plugins to write x_x
[20:45] <knome> hmm?
[20:45] <SiDi> but i forgot which...
[20:45] <knome> no, it was mousepad :P
[20:46] <knome> write a patch to change colors
[20:48] <SiDi> file a bug in mousepad on lp or xfce bugzilla and assign it to me ? :P
[20:48] <SiDi> (does mousepad have a maintainer ?)
[20:48] <knome> i don't know.
[20:53] <knome> SiDi, http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3228
[20:53] <knome> you can implement that as well :P
[20:56] <SiDi> knome: i have the knowledge to do it, but certainly not the motivation
[20:56] <SiDi> syntax highlighting is so fastidious
[20:57] <SiDi> when i consider the media player and the DE dont need work anymore i might have a look at that though.. probably not before 10.10 or 11.04
[20:57] <knome> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5803
[21:05] <MadsRH> FLOZz -> cover-thumbnailer looks very nice. Reminds me of the OOo2 thumbnailer project, have you heard about that?
[21:05] <FLOZz> MadsRH: no
[21:05] <FLOZz> MadsRH: but create a OOo thumbnailer is very easy =)
[21:05] <MadsRH> FLOZz -> Oh, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76566
[21:08] <MadsRH> FLOZz -> I would know nothing about that, but to me it just seems they are doing the same thing.
[21:08] <FLOZz> ¿
[21:09] <FLOZz> they create a thumbnailer for open office files
[21:09] <FLOZz> me it's for folders
[21:09] <FLOZz> ^^
[21:11] <MadsRH> I get your point - I'm just fixed on the work "thumbnail" ;-)
[21:11] <MadsRH> work = word
[21:13] <SiDi> MadsRH: the thunar dev wrote a thumbnail generation daemon :P
[21:13] <SiDi> so you can use it if you write a nautilus plugin imo :P or write plugins to it for ooo thumbnails
[21:16] <FLOZz> cover thumbnailer doesn't work with thunar :(
[21:21] <SiDi> i think it'll be fairly easy to do that in thunar 4.8, don't worry :]
[21:23] <FLOZz> SiDi: hum ?
[21:24] <SiDi> makeing a cover thumbnailer service in thunar 4.8 should be easy
[21:24] <FLOZz> nautilus have a mime type for folders (inode/directory)
[21:24] <FLOZz> but thunar...
[21:25] <FLOZz> and if a thumbnail is already generated in the .thumbnails folder, thunar don't care :/
[21:29] <SiDi> that'll change in 4.8, now it'll request thumbnails from a thumbnailer daemon independent from thunar
[21:30] <SiDi> and i think you should write a feature request for the mime type
[21:30] <SiDi> on bugzilla.xfce.org
[21:30] <SiDi> i'm 86,24% sure the dev will be interested into the feature
[21:30] <FLOZz> SiDi: ^^
[21:31] <FLOZz> I have just one problem... i'm not so good in english
[21:31] <FLOZz> but i will try to explain it
[21:34] <SiDi> if you want you send me the thing in french and i write the report ;p
[21:34] <FLOZz> SiDi: you are french ¿
[21:34] <SiDi> Actually i'm bretton ;P
[21:35] <SiDi> -t
[21:35] <FLOZz> xD
[21:37] <FLOZz> SiDi: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3508  i've found this
[21:37] <FLOZz> thx ubottu
[21:38] <FLOZz> good bot \o/
[21:39] <SiDi> i think folder thumbnails are only interesting in some edge cases with the user's consent (album cover being a perfect exemple). So the dev will probably want you to come with a proposal of implementation that is robust and flexible ;P
[21:40] <FLOZz> ^^
[21:48] <FLOZz> Bye