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seb128hum00:06
seb128Amaranth, you probably means 9.10 in your blog post about plans for compiz?00:07
Amaranthseb128: No, old posts flooded it00:07
seb128oh ok00:07
Amaranthseb128: some of them are two years old, I don't blog much00:07
AmaranthAlthough sadly everything on that list is still not done00:07
AmaranthENOTIME00:07
seb128ok, I was not sure if that was a blog error on a title one ;-)00:07
AmaranthI switched to movabletype and apparently even though it saved the ids for the posts in the import having a new feed URL made planet think they were new00:08
robert_ancellseb128, hey seb00:15
seb128hello robert_ancell00:15
seb128how are you?00:15
robert_ancellseb128, good, you're up late!00:15
seb128yes, I did some late debugging sessions and manage to shift my sleep cycle a bit again00:16
seb128it happens almost every cycle ;-)00:16
chrisccoulsonseb128 - patch attached to bug 404924 now. i don't know if you're in sponsoring mood or if you want to wait until after beta ;)00:17
robert_ancell:) how is the cycle going for you?  It seems pretty stable00:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404924 in libxklavier "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gdk_x_error()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40492400:17
seb128ie look at some issue until late, oversleep the next day, don't feel tired in the evening so go back to the computer at 11pm and start over again00:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's what i'm like every day00:18
chrisccoulsoni could have fallen asleep at 2pm at work today00:18
seb128chrisccoulson, I will do sponsoring tomorrow, it's all beta frozen anyway00:18
chrisccoulsonbut by the time i get home, i'm not tired any more00:18
seb128robert_ancell, karmic seems in a good shape to me, what do you think?00:18
seb128https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1269800:18
robert_ancellseb128, yeah I haven't seen any major bugs to work on so been working on pushing patches upstream mostly00:19
seb128I've added some bugs to the list00:19
seb128urg00:19
robert_ancellall of those I look at seem to be worked on00:19
seb128bug #43195300:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 431953 in gnome-control-center "gnome-display-properties assert failure: display-properties:ERROR:xrandr-capplet.c:643:rebuild_resolution_combo: code should not be reached" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43195300:19
seb128bug #27491500:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274915 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_shape()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27491500:19
seb128bug #42711800:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427118 in gnome-keyring "Very slow logout caused by gnome-keyring-daemon" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42711800:19
seb128robert_ancell, ^ you can look at those if you want00:20
robert_ancellok, i'll take 437682 too00:20
seb128or the gdm keyboard selection issues00:20
robert_ancellbug 43768200:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437682 in gnome-control-center "Missing "Run Application" entry in Keyboard Shortcuts customization dialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43768200:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - isn't bug 431953 reported upstream too?00:20
seb128robert_ancell, just add a comment or assign the bug to you if you start on it00:20
chrisccoulsoni'm sure i saw a   bugzilla report on that00:20
seb128so we don't duplicate tasks00:20
seb128chrisccoulson, there is one about mirror making it crash00:20
robert_ancellyup, will do00:20
rickspencer3TheMuso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule00:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thats the same issue isn't it?00:21
seb128chrisccoulson, bug #42835100:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428351 in gnome-control-center "gnome-display-properties core dump when setting mirror mode" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42835100:21
seb128chrisccoulson, oh indeed00:21
chrisccoulsonheh, yeah, they're the same ;)00:21
seb128the mirror one was not reported using apport so I didn't match the titles00:21
chrisccoulsonwe could just revert the commit that introduced that change. i'm not sure what issue the commit was trying to fix00:22
seb128chrisccoulson, do you know what commit did that?00:23
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i can see where it crashes, and i can see the change that causes it00:23
chrisccoulsonjust looking for the git commit now though00:23
seb128ah good00:23
seb128I didn't look at the issue out of trying to get it crashing there00:23
seb128but it works fine on real install and kvm one00:23
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can't get it to crash either00:24
chrisccoulson-ENOTENOUGHSCREENS00:24
seb128robert_ancell, you are welcome to look to bugs too to spot extra issues to milestone for karmic ;-)00:24
seb128I will keep doing that in the next days so you can watch the list daily too00:25
robert_ancellwill keep an eye out :)00:25
seb128robert_ancell, also you can work on the recent 2.28.1 updates00:25
seb128ie the totem ones, and resync on debian maybe too00:25
robert_ancelloh were there some today?00:25
seb128we will get GNOME 2.28.1 in karmic so that's good to upload after beta00:25
chrisccoulsonseb128 - http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=dc62815db2ea56cdb7ee6ca8b0953ef6e277496300:26
chrisccoulsonthat's the one00:26
seb128chrisccoulson, could you add a comment on the bugs about that?00:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do00:26
seb128chrisccoulson, the comment is clear on what it does though and it's useful00:27
seb128the preferred xrandr mode is not always the higher resolution one00:27
chrisccoulsonyeah, makes sense00:27
robert_ancellseb128, do you know why people are releasing 2.28.1 versions? They're not due for 3 weeks00:28
chrisccoulsoni might try and look at that then00:28
seb128lool opened a bug some time ago about that, the xrandr command line was not picking the same modes as g-s-d00:28
chrisccoulsoni just wish i could recreate these crashes here ;)00:28
seb128robert_ancell, not really, I expect there was enough changes in git that the maintainer wanted to ship those so they get in distros and tested00:29
chrisccoulsoni'll try and look at some more of the milestoned bugs tomorrow then00:31
chrisccoulsonif robert_ancell hasn't fixed them all overnight ;)00:31
seb128I will try to add extra ones there ;-)00:31
robert_ancellerr, I'll try...00:32
seb128robert_ancell, also the design guys who like to get no user selected in gdm by default00:32
seb128robert_ancell, see bug #41033700:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 410337 in hundredpapercuts "Log in screen is confusing, not clear what to do" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41033700:32
seb128Amaranth started looked at it00:33
seb128if you are bored and want to give it a try, check with Amaranth first to not dup work though00:33
seb128robert_ancell, and the autologin issue is on your list too00:33
seb128I think that should be enough for you to have a busy day ;-)00:34
robert_ancellyeah, I looked into that yesterday. it looks tricky00:34
seb128I'm sure you wish you didn't ask for tasks now ;-)00:34
robert_ancellyeah, go to bed before you suggest any more please ;)00:34
seb128lol00:34
chrisccoulsonthe totem crash will probably keep you busy for a long time00:36
Amaranthrobert_ancell: that gdm thing is infuriating, let me tell you00:36
Amaranth95% of the work is going to be figuring out wtf is going on00:36
robert_ancellAmaranth, I find 95% of the work with GDM is constantly having to log out to test it :)_00:37
seb128I think we should just add a button otherwise which does the same than enter00:37
seb128robert_ancell, start your session using startx and run gdm by hand from there00:38
seb128robert_ancell, so you don't have to close your user session00:38
Amaranthseb128: But if you add a button should clicking once on the list select the item?00:38
seb128Amaranth, don't change the list behaviour00:38
Amaranthrobert_ancell: Oh and you have to only have one user on your system to test it00:38
robert_ancellwe shouldn't need a button00:38
seb128the complain they have is that it's not obvious what to do00:38
Amaranthno but the button may be easier00:38
rickspencer3*sigh*00:38
seb128doh, rick is back00:39
AmaranthOtherwise you have to figure out where the heck gdm is selecting that first entry00:39
robert_ancellAmaranth, I've been around that code, I'll have a look if you want00:39
AmaranthI thought it was the obvious call to select_if_only_one_user or whatever but no...00:39
rickspencer3robert_ancell, did you see the bug report regarding gdm flashing on auto login?00:39
Amaranthrobert_ancell: funny, I said the same thing before I wasted two hours :)00:39
robert_ancellrickspencer3, yeah, looked at it yesterday, seems tricky00:40
robert_ancellAmaranth, :)00:40
robert_ancelltrue00:40
seb128rickspencer3, btw remember that I told you that users seem confused by the pulseaudio new behaviour00:40
rickspencer3aaaah00:40
rickspencer3seb128, what came of that?00:40
seb128"    + 0090-disable-flat-volumes.patch: Many people seem uncomfortable00:41
seb128      with PA's new default volume adjustment routine, so disable it00:41
seb128      in favour of the existing behaviour known in previous Ubuntu"00:41
rickspencer3I would say it's too late00:41
rickspencer3that sounds very destabelizing00:41
seb128rickspencer3, Daniel did undo the behaviour00:41
rickspencer3ok00:41
seb128rickspencer3, that was one week ago, to let to object00:41
rickspencer3it's in the beta?00:41
seb128yers00:41
seb128yes00:41
rickspencer3okay ...00:41
seb128let -> late00:41
rickspencer3in general, we are shipping what is in the beta00:41
* TheMuso reads backscroll re audio.00:41
seb128TheMuso, there is no real scrollback, I was just mentioning to rick some days ago that I wanted to check user feedback concerning flat volume00:42
seb128TheMuso, since we got quite some confused users bugs during the cycle00:42
TheMusoOk00:42
seb128but seems daniel has been faster and changing the behaviour already00:42
seb128so it's all good00:43
rickspencer3robert_ancell, this flashing GDM is more important than the new button on GDM00:43
rickspencer3imnsho00:43
robert_ancellns>00:43
robert_ancellns?00:43
robert_ancellnot-so00:43
rickspencer3"not so"00:44
seb128;-)00:44
TheMusoBut eventually I think we will want flat volume, once uplse has a better handle on audio hardware/software, but I feel Daniel is in a better position to comment on that.00:44
Amaranthrickspencer3: does that mean I won't be able to get a bugfix only git snapshot of compiz? :)00:44
rickspencer3well, if we aren00:44
rickspencer3t updating to bugfix only git snapshots of X ;)00:44
Amaranthyeah but this is seriously bugfix only, not "we're rewrite this bit to fix a bug" :P00:45
Amaranthit goal is still to get an 0.8.4 final out soon so 0.8.3 stuff is purely fixing crashes and really bad issues like windows flying off the screen when you lower your screen resolution (projectors, anyone?)00:46
Amarantherr, the goal00:46
TheMusoSo. Shall we do the eastern edition of the meeting?00:48
rickspencer3TheMuso, yes00:50
robert_ancellready00:50
rickspencer3but now I only have 10 minutes :(00:50
robert_ancelllightning meeting00:50
rickspencer3let's cut the chase, I can follow up on the specific issues later with you guys00:50
rickspencer3essentially, what changes are coming to Karmic after beta?00:51
rickspencer31. Updated Compiz00:51
* rickspencer3 quakes a little00:51
rickspencer3robert_ancell, Amaranth - rather than just updating compiz, can we cherry pick specific patches for known bugs?00:52
rickspencer3would that decrease the risk of regressions00:52
Amaranthrickspencer3: all the changes are patches for known bugs00:52
rickspencer3TheMuso, any changes coming to pulse or accessability?00:52
Amaranthrickspencer3: upstream is reading launchpad and fixing the bugs there00:52
rickspencer3Amaranth, when will it be uploaded?00:52
Amaranthrickspencer3: I don't have upload rights so mvo usually makes the snapshots00:53
Amaranthrickspencer3: Want to talk to upstream to see about an 0.8.4 release again too00:53
rickspencer3ok, I think I should defer to pitti and the release process00:53
rickspencer3apply for an exception, etc...00:53
rickspencer3robert_ancell, does that make sense?00:53
robert_ancellbased on what I know, yes.  Amaranth is more of an expert here00:54
robert_ancellor do you mean regarding release process?  We'll just push the changes into the BZR branch then ask for the exception before uploading00:54
rickspencer3well, pitti is the tech lead *and* he's on the release team, so I would suggest following up with him00:55
Amaranthwill do00:55
rickspencer3but if it is truly a release that is a set of Karmic specific patches, seems likely that we would take it00:55
robert_ancellso mvo or Amaranth or I can make the proposed update.  We ask for the exception as part of the upload process00:55
TheMusorickspencer3: One patch that fixes a crash for pulse, and fixing issues with gdm accessible login and any last minute fixes needed for the installer+accessibility/live cd integratino. They are on my testing agenda for the next couple of days during CD image testing, and friday.00:56
rickspencer3yeah, I think you log a bug and subscribe tehe releast team or something00:56
rickspencer3TheMuso, great00:56
rickspencer3those sound like bug fixes and not too risky00:56
robert_ancellSo, open a bug "update to 0.8.4". Note it needs an exception. Ping pitti, once exception approved subscribe main-sponsors00:57
rickspencer3robert_ancell, note that TheMuso if working on GDM accessability, a good reason not to change the UI now00:57
rickspencer3robert_ancell, I *think* so, but not 100% certain00:57
rickspencer3sorry, I am so lame00:57
TheMusorickspencer3: It will likely be more along the lines of getting it working, not so much getting around, but I will test for that as well.00:57
robert_ancellrickspencer3, that is how we did the previous snapshots00:57
rickspencer3robert_ancell, great00:57
TheMusorickspencer3: oh and possibly some fixes for speech-dispatcher to fix an alsa output code crash, and hopeful optimizations for pulse use, but that doesn't look likely.00:57
robert_ancellTheMuso, I will ping you before we upload any GDM changes so you can review00:58
rickspencer3TheMuso, are you saying that GDM is not accessible atm?00:58
TheMusorickspencer3: What I am saying is that users cannot successfully enable gdm accessibility, due to files etc not being in place correctly.00:58
TheMusoThis was brought to my attention in the last few days so I need to get it fixed.00:59
robert_ancellTheMuso, is that tracked somewhere?00:59
rickspencer3ok, so no changes to GDM, it's all configuration?00:59
TheMusorickspencer3: Probably no changes to gdm, but not sure at this point.00:59
TheMusorobert_ancell: No bugs yet, but I intend to file one once I know whats going on.00:59
robert_ancellTheMuso, ok, please subscribe me when you open00:59
TheMusorobert_ancell: Sure.00:59
rickspencer3This is why I am asking that we minimize changes to very important ones00:59
rickspencer3I don't want us putting lipstick on a pig while there are serious issues not being addressed01:00
rickspencer3</rant>01:00
TheMusoheh01:00
rickspencer3ok, I have to run to a call01:00
TheMusook01:01
rickspencer3robert_ancell, are you going to be working on the gdm flashing bug today?01:01
robert_ancelllater01:01
robert_ancellrickspencer3, yes01:01
rickspencer3do you guys need anything from me? any questions, or blocking issues?01:01
robert_ancellno01:01
TheMusonope01:01
rickspencer3k01:01
rickspencer3you guys rock01:02
rickspencer3we are on the path to a really sweet release01:02
seb128rickspencer3, can I go to bed now? ;-)01:02
rickspencer3thanks for all you guys do01:02
rickspencer3seb128, lol01:02
TheMusothanks01:02
rickspencer3was I keeping you up?01:02
seb128nothing ;-)01:02
seb128I'm about to go ;-)01:02
seb128I just wanted to see an eastern edition meeting since I was around01:03
rickspencer3seb128, they are usually much more oragnized01:04
seb128yeahyeah01:05
rickspencer3heh01:05
rickspencer3g'nigh seb12801:05
seb128'night ;-)01:05
chrisccoulsongood night seb12801:05
TheMuso/c/c01:15
TheMusorobert_ancell: When gdm runs, does it load apps that have a desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart?01:15
TheMusoI know gnome-session does, but am not sure about gdm.01:15
robert_ancellTheMuso, not sure.  I does run a gnome-session though I think?01:16
robert_ancellIt does01:16
chrisccoulsonTheMuso - it runs autostart files from a different folder01:18
chrisccoulsoni'll try and find it01:18
chrisccoulson/usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow01:18
chrisccoulsongdm passes that as an argument to gnome-session01:18
chrisccoulsonand it loads the session from there01:18
TheMusochrisccoulson: I knew about that one, just waqsn't sure whether etc/xdg/autostart was also used, thanks.01:21
chrisccoulsonTheMuso - no, it's not used01:21
TheMusoOk thanks.01:22
ArneGoetjeasac: what broken country code langpack?01:43
ccheneyrickspencer3: hi :)01:59
ccheneyrickspencer3: closed today on my house01:59
rickspencer3ccheney, congrats02:00
rickspencer3a long time coming02:00
ccheneyyea been trying to get a new place for ~ 2.5 months now, heh02:00
ccheneymoving tomorrow and thursday and hopefully back to work on friday02:00
jcastro hey, are we totally jettisoning HAL for karmic?02:11
jcastroor will there be a fallback thing for apps that haven't moved to devicekit?02:11
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rickspencer3-afkjcastro, I believe the halectomy will not be complete for Karmic02:51
rickspencer3-afkbut pitti would have all kinds of details02:51
rickspencer3-afkthere is a wiki page somewhere with the progress02:52
albasheers1how to check video ram size05:17
albasheers1anybody here05:18
mac_vtedg: hi , regarding Bug #436724  , fix committed in the sense , greying out the option?05:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436724 in indicator-session "lock screen doesn't work" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43672405:34
tedgmac_v: Correct.  It's in trunk.05:35
mac_vtedg: could you atleast provide a gconf setting?05:35
mac_vto revert this?05:35
mac_vwaiting for 6 months to get this fixed :(05:35
tedgmac_v: The Lucid archives will open sooner than that ;)05:36
mac_vtedg: but what about the regualar users?05:36
mac_vthose who dont use beta05:37
mac_vor alpha05:37
tedgThe ones that accidentally lock their screen but don't know their passwords?  Those regular users?  They'll be safe.05:37
mac_v;p the rest of the ones who want the option05:38
mac_v?05:38
tedgMaking it a gconf key doesn't help regular users either.  The solution that helps regular users is putting it in the appropriate control panel.  But it's too late for that for Karmic.05:39
mac_vtedg: i'm not saying this is the best solution. what mpt suggested is the right way to do it... but since it is not possible for now , we could do it using gconf05:40
mac_vthen for lucid get it fixed properly05:40
mac_vwe already have one option here > /apps/indicator-session05:41
mac_vadding another option for this lock screen would be nice ;)05:41
mac_vhave it disabled by default ,and if users want it back they can select it from there05:42
tedgI'm not dead set against it, but it probably won't make my priority list.05:42
tedgI feel like it's in a safe place now, not ideal, but safe.  So it's okay to wait for Lucid on making it ideal.05:43
tedgBut, no matter what, it's past my bedtime :)05:44
tedg'night folks!05:44
mac_vtedg: nite05:44
didrocksGood morning06:51
didrocksTheMuso: hey o/ you're probably already aware with this kind of issue but for laptop with more than one speaker (for instance, a bass bummer), the new pulseaudio device doesn't seem to allow to set up it right (ie: main volume--, PCM++ <- noisy sound, LFE++ <- too low ;)). I have to use alsamixer bump touching again the volume scratch those values.06:53
al-maisanGood morning06:58
didrockshey al-maisan06:58
al-maisanhello didrocks :)06:59
pittiGood morning06:59
pittijcastro: we need to keep hal in the default install for karmic since X still needs it for input devices07:00
pittijcastro: I'm quite positive that we can drop it from the default install in lucid; however, we'll keep the package around, there are still lots of software which uses it07:01
didrockshey pitti07:01
* kenvandine needs to start going to bed before pitti gets up07:02
pittikenvandine: hehe, sleep well :)07:02
kenvandinehehe07:02
kenvandinetime to crash, good night!07:02
TheMusodidrocks: I am somewhat aware of similar, however you're better off talking to dtchen, as he has a better understanding of that suff than I do.07:18
didrocksTheMuso: ok, thanks a lot, I'll forward my request/question :)07:19
didrocksdtchen: ^ (about my request to TheMuso, 15 lines above)07:20
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seb128hello there09:06
chrisccoulsonhi seb12809:07
seb128dpm, hey, do you think you could contact translators about some ubuntu strings to translate they might not notice otherwise?09:07
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?09:07
chrisccoulsonyeah, good thanks. and you?09:08
seb128tired but good09:08
pittihey seb12809:08
seb128I stayed way to late, I was about to go to bed at 1:45am when people pinged me about xsplash on unr09:08
pittigood morning chrisccoulson09:08
seb128I crashed at 2:30am, dunno if people managed to fix that during the night09:09
seb128hey pitti09:09
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, how are you too?09:09
seb128mvo, update-manager asking 2 passwords, one for install and one for upgrade ... known issue?09:09
chrisccoulsonseb128 - you had quite a late night then ;)09:09
seb128yeah09:09
seb128and I woke up at 8am today09:09
chrisccoulsoni bet you're looking forward to the weekend to catch up on sleep09:09
chrisccoulsonheh, i woke up at 755 this morning, and i have to be at work for 8am;)09:10
chrisccoulsoni never arrive on time though09:10
seb128I managed to get breakfast outside and go look for some shopping09:10
seb128hey njpatel09:11
seb128dpm, wb09:12
seb128dpm, did you read my question before?09:12
dpm:)09:12
dpmI saw it09:12
seb128ok, cool09:12
dpmyeah, let me know which strings or src pkgs09:12
njpatelseb128: hey hey09:12
seb128dpm, empathy "Use message indicators"09:14
didrockshey seb128 o/09:14
dpmseb128: ok, I'll let them know. Any other ones?09:16
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seb128dpm, looking, there is some evolution ones too09:16
mvoseb128: yes09:16
mvoseb128: could you still please file a bug against aptdaemon?09:17
seb128dpm, evolution09:18
seb128"When displaying messages:"09:18
seb128"For deleted mail:"09:18
seb128dpm, that's the ones I spotted while doing beta testing09:18
seb128dpm, the thing is that those are distro changes in software translated in GNOME09:19
seb128I know the french translators will not look to GNOME software on rosetta usually09:19
seb128since they want to get the work done upstream for those09:19
seb128other teams probably do the same09:19
seb128so it would be good to just let them know they have those few to do on rosetta for ubuntu09:20
seb128dpm, thanks09:20
seb128mvo, sure09:20
seb128mvo, bug #437094 in fact09:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437094 in update-manager "[karmic] update-manager sometimes requires entering password twice" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43709409:20
seb128mvo, bug #437094 in fact09:20
seb128ups09:20
mvocool, thanks09:21
dpmseb128: yeah, announcing new strings to translate in the ubuntu-translators ML usually gets a good response. Do you think it might be possible to find out the strings changed/added in the distro in some sort of automated way and create something like a report I could then send to the list?09:24
seb128dpm, not easily I would say09:24
dpmok, thanks09:25
seb128mvo, is there any way to make ie common crashers in update-manager be on your rader?09:30
seb128radar09:30
mvoseb128: which one is this?09:30
seb128mvo, bug #435838 has several duplicate09:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435838 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43583809:30
seb128mvo, sorry I've been looking to the update-manager bug list for the password thing and I'm cleaning now ;-)09:31
mvoseb128: heh :) thanks. I have a look, I though it was a dup of another one (releated to syslog not being availabe) but this seems to be a different one09:32
seb128mvo, you might want to fix bug #436428 too for karmic09:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436428 in update-manager "Synaptic/update-manager shows gtk-image-missing icon in download/install dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43642809:33
mvoseb128: yeah, this one is on my list as well09:33
seb128bug #436159 in fact09:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436159 in update-manager "Missing icon for update-manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43615909:33
seb128I dup the other one09:33
mvoI'm considering moving back to synaptic as the u-m backend for karmic and do the switch aptdaemon for u-m in lucid09:34
seb128mvo, ok, I've annoyed you enough for today, I go triage my packages now ;-)09:34
mvoseb128: not at all, I'm thankful for you help with the triage09:36
* seb128 hugs mvo09:36
seb128didrocks, do you know about bug #438792?09:38
seb128didrocks, do you know about bug #438792?09:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438792 in anjuta "segfault in symbol_db_engine_file_exists()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43879209:38
seb128ups09:38
didrocksseb128: hum no, it was working on my box. As I cleaned it few days ago, I can give some test on it09:42
seb128didrocks, ok, thanks09:43
Amaranthmorning09:43
seb128the 2.28 update might fix it09:43
seb128hey Amaranth09:43
didrocksseb128: huats is on the update from a long time already... do I try it?09:49
seb128didrocks, yes09:50
didrocksmaybe I didn't installed properly the new gdl version when I tested it. Dunno what happened :/09:50
seb128didrocks, the valgrind log seems to indicate an anjuta issue09:52
didrocksseb128: it was just a rebuild for new libgdl version09:52
didrocksso a symbol mismatched09:52
didrocksstrange that it crashed in /usr/lib/anjuta/libanjuta-symbol-db.so09:53
mptmvo, if danilo helped me today with the work to make software-center help pages translatable, would that be mergable after beta? Or is post-beta only for things more critical than that?09:57
mvompt: I think we need to ask slangasek for this, I personally would say its ok as its very low risk of regression, but it will add a lot of strings to the template again09:57
mvompt: I think it only makes sense if we can ship updates via langpacks, not sure this is currently possible with po4a (I assume this is what is going to be used?)09:58
mptmvo, I don't know what's going to be used, it's all magic to me at the moment09:59
Amaranthbug 439096 makes me really sad :(10:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439096 in compiz "the contents of windows above a certain size is not rendered to the screen and the window appears black" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43909610:03
mvoAmaranth: *urgh* what video cards?10:03
Amaranthmvo: nvidia of course10:03
Amaranthit ran out of memory10:04
chrisccoulson1Amaranth - i thought that was an old issue, fixed now?10:04
Amaranthchrisccoulson1: apparently not10:04
Amaranthoh, this guy has a 660010:04
Amaranthso legacy driver, probably doesn't have that fix10:04
mvo*sigh*10:04
chrisccoulson1if he's using a legacy driver, then it won't have the fix10:04
Amaranthno, he is using 18510:05
chrisccoulson1but the latest drivers should work with that card shouldn't they?10:05
Amaranthmaybe they just didn't fix it for older cards10:05
chrisccoulson1he's using the latest driver10:05
chrisccoulson1i hate nvidia10:05
Amaranth+110:05
Amaranthapparently 64MB VRAM isn't enough10:07
mac_vdobey: i'v added the U1 icons but rejected the merge , since *most* of the icons had to be redone10:16
chrisccoulson1Amaranth - yeah, I don't know if 64MB is enough or not - my card has 512MB ;)10:21
Amaranthchrisccoulson1: I believe I originally set it to 128 or 25610:21
Amaranthchrisccoulson1: can you pastebin the output of `nvidia-settings -q all`?10:22
Amaranthneed to see what I should be asking this guy10:22
chrisccoulson1Amaranth - i can't at the moment, as I'm at work10:22
Amaranthah10:23
* Amaranth checks #compiz10:23
chrisccoulson1heh, i probably should be doing some work really10:23
chrisccoulson1it's more interesting on here though ;)10:23
hyperairis there something wrong with network-manager? it won't allow me to set a static ip10:28
hyperairsuch a pain10:28
hyperairwhere does networkmanager store its config files anyway10:28
pittiTheMuso: hm, in 9 cases out of 10 my speakers are set to mute after boot; is that known?10:30
* hyperair pokes asac 11:05
asachyperair: in gconf or in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections11:09
hyperairasac: i see. well anyway nm-connection-editor segfaults when trying to create a wired connection with static ip11:09
hyperairthat's when it's marked available to all users11:10
hyperairwhen it's not, the setting just doesn't enter gconf11:10
asaclet me test11:11
asacyes. the ipv4 settings have a problem as it seems. but i cannot reproduce the crash11:14
mat_tHi all11:15
mat_tpitti: do you know if this bug is on anyone's radar? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/41870311:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 418703 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Busy mouse cursor flickers like mad" [Low,New]11:15
pittimat_t: if it's not assigned, then not11:16
pittitseliot: ^ is it on your's?11:16
* tseliot has a look at the bug report11:16
tseliotmat_t: do you have a screenshot of the problem?11:18
tseliotor, even better, a video?11:19
mat_ttseliot: not really, it would rather have to be a video11:19
mat_t:)11:19
mat_tI can try and capture it11:19
tseliotgreat11:19
mat_tcool, let me try :)11:19
tseliotpitti: our discussion on X will have to be postponed as I can't access freedesktop (and the source, etc.)11:21
pittitseliot: I know, I also tried to reach cgit this morning11:21
tseliotok11:21
AmaranthI actually starting messing with my modem and router yesterday because I thought not getting to freedesktop.org meant my connection was messed up :P11:24
AmaranthSomeone must have linked to cgit from osnews or slashdot or something11:25
mptCan anyone give me some examples offhand of applications that have both a GTK and a Qt version in the Ubuntu repositories? Qalculate is one11:35
james_wjockey?11:37
mptthat's another good example11:37
mptGDebi is another11:39
mat_ttseliot: attached the video11:42
chrisccoulsonpah, bug 376145 is really depressing now11:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 376145 in gvfs "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in gdu_pool_get_presentables()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37614511:44
mat_ttseliot: thoughts?11:44
pittichrisccoulson: ogra reopened it, still happening on arm11:46
pittibut a pain to reproduce now, I don't know anyone else whom it happens for..11:46
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm not sure the bug ever really went away tbh, do you think this is another oddity with dbus activation?11:46
chrisccoulsonthe trace certainly suggests that11:46
pittichrisccoulson: most probably, yes11:46
chrisccoulsoni'm starting to think we should patch gdu to call org.freedesktop.DBus.StartServiceByName on devicekit-disks, and wait for it to appear on the bus before doing anything else11:47
chrisccoulsonas a workaround;)11:47
pittiwe could, but it still sounds wrong; if there's a general problem with d-bus activation, it'll hit other things as well11:48
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's true11:48
pittiperhaps we shuold add a sleep 5 to the activation code11:49
pittito see whether that reproduces the issue11:49
hyperairasac: well, if it get's fixed, maybe the crash will as well. hopefully11:49
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, that's probably a good starting point11:49
chrisccoulsonthat's what i did with system-tools-backends11:50
tseliotmat_t: maybe this patch can help: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-May/002433.html11:50
pittitseliot: nice11:51
tseliotpitti, mat_t: I think I can put it in a PPA for testing11:52
Amaranthseb128: I've got someone saying metacity has the same problem with polkit dialogs11:52
AmaranthWhich would explain why I can't find anything in the metacity source code that would handle this case11:53
mat_ttseliot: great, let's try that11:54
tseliotok11:55
cassidyseb128, hey. Would be good to sync https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/43926611:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439266 in telepathy-gabble "Sync telepathy-gabble 0.8.4-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]11:56
seb128cassidy, we are frozen for alpha11:57
asachyperair: i dont see the crash for some reason. which applet package version?11:57
cassidyseb128, but packages can still be updated after the alpha release, right ?11:57
seb128cassidy, yes, but they need a feature freeze exception11:57
cassidyeven for bug fixes release?11:58
seb128no11:58
cassidythis is a bug fix release :)11:58
seb128can you open a bug or ping me again after freeze?11:58
cassidy0.8.x is stable11:58
seb128I can't sync now it would bypass the freeze queue11:58
cassidybug is opened, I'll reping you later11:58
seb128and I will probably have forgotten next week11:58
seb128ok thanks11:59
seb128brb12:00
hyperairasac: 0.8~a~git.20090923t220421.1ac8ffd-0ubuntu412:01
seb128cassidy, can you give me the bug number?12:01
seb128just for reference12:01
pittiseb128: you can upload, it'll just stay in the queue12:01
cassidyseb128,  43926612:01
pittibut fix only doesn't need FFE by definition, yes (but still the changes should be reasonable, of couse)12:02
seb128pitti, it's a sync, I was not sure if that would bypass the queue12:02
pittiseb128: oh, that will12:02
seb128ok, so I wont "upload" ;-)12:02
seb128cassidy, thanks12:03
asachyperair: kk12:03
asachyperair: and libnm-glib2 is also latest?12:03
hyperairasac: just upgraded.12:04
hyperairit wasn't before, i suppose12:04
asachyperair: maybe some crashes go away now?12:04
tseliotpitti, mat_t: xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.8.1-1ubuntu2~xtesting2) is in my PPA. You will have to grab the deb package manually when it's built: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/12:06
mat_ttseliot: awesome, thanks!12:06
tseliotmat_t: let me know how it goes12:06
hyperairasac: lemme try12:06
mat_ttseliot: will do12:06
tseliotthanks12:07
hyperairasac: still segfault12:07
* Amaranth waits patiently for debs with backlight support :)12:07
asachyperair: thats the "gtk_label_set.." crash?12:08
hyperairAmaranth: your backlight not working either?12:08
Amaranthhyperair: stuck on 100%12:08
hyperairasac: yes it is12:08
asachyperair: can you install -dbgsym packages for network-manager-gnome and check?12:09
Amaranthhyperair: unless I turn KMS off12:09
asacah12:09
hyperairAmaranth: that sucks. does xbacklight work?12:09
hyperairasac: i saw gtk_label_set somewhere up the backtrace12:09
Amaranthhyperair: no because that isn't implemented yet :)12:10
Amaranthhyperair: well it is but we don't have it12:10
hyperairO_o12:10
hyperairbut xbacklight works for me..12:10
Amaranthhyperair: because your panel itself supports it12:10
hyperairah12:10
Amaranthhyperair: for some panels the intel driver has to change a register12:11
hyperairi see..12:11
hyperairwhat a pain.12:11
Amaranththis only recently got ported to the KMS code and exported in such a way for xbacklight to use it12:11
hyperairi see.12:12
hyperairhmm i suppose my backlight buttons are a similar case (except that they haven't been ported yet)12:12
Amaranthnah, your buttons just need to be hooked up so gpm can call xbacklight12:13
Amaranthfor me the buttons always work but in KMS mode gpm can't do anything with them12:13
hyperairmy buttons work without KMS12:15
hyperairsome acpi event or something that doesn't come through when KMS is enabled12:15
tseliotmat_t: the package is ready12:20
mvoasac: oh, you got a gtk_label_set crash? I have something similar in gdebi (pygtk)12:20
mat_ttseliot: great, will try it in a sec12:26
TheMusopitti: afaik dtchen knows about it and is looking into it.12:51
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mat_ttseliot: got the package, but can't install - apparently I've got a newer version already13:26
tseliotmat_t: try with dpkg -i13:29
istazkenvandine: seb128: hi! if you are not going to use telepathy-butterfly 0.5.1, you should probably at least backport this patch : http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=telepathy-butterfly.git;a=commitdiff;h=21fac708ea2ac6a76df77921cc252cad7521a500 otherwhise the status will always be "hidden" on MSN13:32
pittiTheMuso: thanks13:33
seb128istaz, thanks13:33
seb128doh, telepathy-butterfly is crash land13:36
istazseb128: it seem apport show crash dialog on certain error even if telepathy-butterfly doesn't crash13:38
chrisccoulsonacording to my girlfriend, empathy in general is crash land right now. she's been whining at me this morning saying it keeps crashing for her13:38
istazand the papyon libs we use generate a lot of error13:38
mat_ttseliot: what would be the exact command? (you're talking to a terminal-agnostic here ;)13:38
seb128istaz, right, it report bugs about any python error13:39
seb128chrisccoulson, did she sent a crash using apport?13:40
seb128chrisccoulson, all the crash could be one issue easy to fix13:40
seb128chrisccoulson, what protocols is she using?13:40
tseliotmat_t: "cd path_to_the_dir_with_the_deb_package" then type: "sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.8.1-1ubuntu2~xtesting2_i386.deb"13:40
istazseb128: if you aren't going to use the webcam the support of butterfly I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use telepathy-haze for karmic as it is more relaible and less-crashy13:40
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i keep trying to get her to send a crash report, but she just pesters me instead13:40
chrisccoulsonshe's using MSN and also facebook (through telepathy-haze)13:40
seb128istaz, ok, thanks for the hint13:40
seb128pitti, ^13:40
istazbut it would make the migration harder once you decide to use butterfly as the user would have to recreate their account13:40
seb128hum13:41
pittibad news13:41
mat_ttseliot: thanks! :)13:41
tseliot:-)13:41
mat_tpitti: this bug does seem to be fixed now https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/6123713:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 61237 in hundredpapercuts "Drag 'n Drop in list view doesn't work" [Critical,Confirmed]13:47
AmaranthI've solved the polkit problem and I didn't even have to patch compiz13:48
Amaranth!(class=Polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1)13:48
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)13:48
AmaranthYes, I'm cheating13:48
mat_tpitti: can you confirm that?13:48
pittimat_t: producing a test directory here..13:49
mat_tpitti: I couldn't reproduce it anymore13:50
pittimat_t: I can13:51
mat_ttseliot: nope, that didn't help :(13:51
pittithe list view is completely taken by the folder list13:51
mat_tpitti: what are the steps?13:51
pittithere is no space to drop a new file into the folder list without hitting a dir13:51
pittimat_t: I did it like this:13:51
pittimkdir /tmp/test13:51
pitticd /tmp/test13:51
tseliotmat_t: ok, I'll look for something else when freedesktop in online again13:51
pittifor i in `seq 150`; do mkdir dir$i; done13:51
seb128pitti, what are you talking about?13:51
pittiopen /tmp/test in nautilus13:51
mat_ttseliot: ok, thanks!13:52
pittictrl+2 to select list view13:52
pittiseb128: bug 6123713:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 61237 in hundredpapercuts "Drag 'n Drop in list view doesn't work" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6123713:52
seb128pitti, you are working on fixing it?13:52
seb128pitti, btw the setting look weird13:52
seb128it's easy to workaround, doesn't affect the default view (icons)13:52
pittiseb128: no, mat_t asked me whether I can reproduce13:52
seb128and there since warty13:53
pittiyes, nothing that concerns me13:53
pittiyou can go up a folder and drop it there13:53
pittior change view13:53
Zdrachrisccoulson, real crash? or just apport pretending butterfly crash but in fact it's just python exception it catched and everything is continuing happily?13:53
pittiit's not immediately clear how to fix it13:53
pittiyou'd have to keep some portion of the window empty just for that13:53
chrisccoulsonZdra - i don't know until I get home13:53
seb128well as usual, bugs which are there since warty and annoying have not been fixed for a reason13:53
pitti*nod*13:54
chrisccoulson(or until I can persuade her to actually submit a crash reprot)13:54
mat_tpitti: ok, let me try that13:54
seb128mat_t, well just open any dir where you have enough files or dirs to need to scroll vertically13:55
seb128mat_t, and use the list view too13:55
seb128brb13:56
mat_tseb128: pitti: yeah, I don't see any issues13:58
seb128what do you mean?13:58
mat_tpitti: I'm in the list view, got 10 empty subfolders and am dragging a file between them (and their parent folder) without any problems13:59
seb128the issue is that you don't have an empty space to click to start a selection13:59
seb128or to dnd something to the current directory13:59
Amaranthseb128: bug 436852 is fixed :)13:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436852 in compiz "update-manager does not focus password dialogue box" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43685213:59
seb128Amaranth, excellent ;-)13:59
Amaranthugly hack but it works14:00
mat_tseb128: do you mean emtpy space for selecting multiple folders/files?14:00
seb128yes14:00
mat_taaah14:00
seb128or drop dropping something14:00
mat_tI see now14:00
seb128or for dropping something14:00
AmaranthNow polkit authenticate windows can always steal focus but that's close enough to how metacity works that it isn't important14:00
mat_tyes, so it is an issue still - really annoying indeed14:00
seb128you can't drop a file anywhere in the viewed dir14:00
mat_tseb128: one solution would be to only be able to drop into sub-dir when you hover over the dir icon14:03
seb128right14:03
seb128that's not how the list widget works though and would require not trivial hacking probably14:04
seb128ie creating a custom widget for nautilus rather than using the gtk one14:04
mat_tseb128: right14:05
mat_tseb128: we should keep it as critical papercut (even though it's not a papercut), so that it doesn't fall off the radar14:06
andreasnmpt, ping14:06
mat_tseb128: we'll work on proposing a solution for Lucid14:06
seb128you handle your hundredpapercut settings as you want14:06
seb128ok14:06
seb128I guess suggesting a change will be easy14:06
seb128what will not be easy is to find somebody to do the changes14:06
seb128as it's probably too much work for an hundredpapercut14:07
mat_tseb128: exactly, but we should start from a good solution14:07
seb128ie a custom widget would be at least one day of work for somebody knowing what he's doing14:07
mat_tthat's not too bad14:07
seb128well, knowing that we often have difficulties to find one hour to work on a bug14:08
seb128and that we don't have people knowing well nautilus14:08
seb128I think it will be likely that we will have difficulties to find somebody for that, but it's worth a try yes14:08
mptAmaranth, is that change one that should be reverted after <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596260> is fixed (or before, for anyone testing the fix)?14:09
ubottuGnome bug 596260 in authentication dialog "Unable to set transient window for authentication dialog" [Normal,Unconfirmed]14:09
Amaranthmpt: yes14:09
Amaranthmpt: It won't hurt to leave it in if you're testing the fix but we won't need it anymore14:09
mptAmaranth, maybe you could put that in the bug report for anyone trying to test it?14:09
mptAmaranth, i.e. specify exactly how to revert the workaround before testing it14:10
Amaranthmpt: Is there a launchpad bug for that upstream one?14:11
mptAmaranth, bug 43385114:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433851 in software-center "Authentication dialog doesn't get focus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43385114:11
Amaranthi'll just link them all up14:13
Amaranthactually, no14:14
mptthanks Amaranth14:19
didrocks    - gdb: Fix link of test program14:24
didrocks    - sourceview: Report error when location is > 0 for markers14:24
didrocks    - terminal: Terminal does not work14:24
didrocksoupsss, sorry, wrong paste :/14:24
* didrocks hate putty and right click14:25
seb128chrisccoulson, didn't you said you had a g-s-d change to get sponsored? you didn't put it in bzr?14:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it's a libxklavier change14:27
seb128oh14:27
chrisccoulsonand it's just attached to the bug report for now, as it's not in bzr14:27
seb128ok, makes sense14:27
chrisccoulsonbut i could put it there ;)14:27
seb128sorry for the noise ;-)14:27
chrisccoulsonthat's ok:)14:27
seb128don't bother14:27
seb128libxklavier is likely syncable on debian quite often14:28
seb128so having a bzr would rather give extra work14:28
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's true14:28
chrisccoulsoni should probably send our current patches to debian actually, seeing as there hasn't been a new release for a little while14:28
seb128would be nice indeed14:29
Laneyseb128: did we break tomboy translations too?14:29
seb128Laney, looking to the build log one sec14:29
seb128Laney, yes14:30
Laneyurgh14:30
seb128Laney, thanks for spotting this one ;-)14:30
Laneyabstraction urgently required14:30
seb128people not moving to other rules system for no good reason required ;-)14:30
Laney:(14:32
seb128but troll aside you are right14:33
seb128do you think you could do the same change for tomboy?14:33
Laneyyes14:33
seb128do you want a bug + patch for that one too?14:33
Laneyi didnt see your first bug14:33
Laneywill someone merge tomboy? It's currently 0ubuntu114:34
seb128Laney, debian bug #54901914:34
ubottuDebian bug 549019 in f-spot "update the translation template during the build" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/54901914:34
Laneyah thanks my mailbox just hadnt refreshed it yet14:34
seb128Laney, not that I know about, you are welcome to work on that if you want14:34
Laneyi'll try14:35
seb128thanks14:35
Laneyseb128: don't we need to clean *.pot too?14:35
seb128Laney, I couldn't try since f-spot clean target is busted14:35
Laneyhm14:36
seb128doing a second debuild breaks with things which can't be diffed there14:36
Laneyautoreconf in build sucks14:36
seb128but yeah, you might want to add a -rm po/f-spot.pot14:36
seb128to the clean14:36
Laneysure14:36
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dobeymac_v: cool, thanks14:48
seb128Laney, hum, did you say that you will do the same changes to tomboy without the need to open a bug or do you want one?14:49
Laneyseb128: I'll remember to do it at the same time14:50
seb128Laney, thanks!14:50
Laneyi'll do it today if i get some of this report written14:50
seb128pitti, what iso is the current one? did we have new desktop ones today?14:55
pittiseb128: tracker is up to date; no, not today14:55
pitti29.2 is still current14:56
seb128pitti, ok, good, I though you were discussing tracker issues before14:56
seb128so I figured I would ask14:56
pittiand testing is pretty much done, so this will be _the_ beta image with 99% probability14:56
pittiyes, some troubles with server14:56
seb128pitti, ok, good, so I can queue uploads for after beta now ;-)14:57
pittiyes, you can do that anyway14:57
pittiI'm already doing that since yesterday14:57
seb128pitti, I was just trying version conflicts in case we need a small gdm change for example14:57
seb128chrisccoulson, dunno if you have seen but mclasen added a patch on the upstream mirror crash bug15:02
kwwiierm, beta != release candidate, or?15:02
seb128yes15:03
mclasenseb128: was tired of waiting for you to fix it :-)15:03
seb128rc is in some 3 weeks15:03
kwwiiseb128: sweet, thanks15:03
seb128mclasen, ;-)15:03
seb128mclasen, thanks!15:03
seb128asac, is that normal that firefox displays a dialog to say that 3 addons have been added on first start?15:04
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i hadn't noticed yet, as i've not checked my mails15:04
chrisccoulsonmclasen - thanks ;)15:04
asacseb128: screen plz15:04
seb128asac, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/ubuntu.png15:07
asacyes15:07
seb128asac, it's what I get when starting firefox in a fresh kvm boot on the beta iso15:07
asacwhy is that not expected?15:07
asacit tells you that three new addons are installed15:08
seb128asac, well, I fail to see how this dialog is useful on the first start15:08
seb128I didn't ask it to install anything15:08
asacso you know that you have those extensions installed?15:08
seb128it's rather confusing, I clicked on the ubiquity "show karmic notes"15:08
seb128and I get that dialog15:08
asachmm15:08
asaci will think about it and discuss upstream15:08
seb128thanks15:08
seb128I mean it's probably fine to display when you install something new15:09
seb128but on a stock install it's weird to get a dialog saying new things are installed when you just start what is installed15:09
seb128especially if you open an url and not firefox standalone15:09
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seb128hey rickspencer3, feeling better?15:11
rickspencer3hi seb12815:11
rickspencer3shrug15:11
kenvandinehey rickspencer3!15:11
didrocksgood morning rickspencer315:11
rickspencer3hi KenEdwards15:11
rickspencer3oops15:12
kenvandinerickspencer3, hope it isn't h1n1 :)15:12
didrocksand kenvandine ;)15:12
rickspencer3stupid xchat tab completion15:12
rickspencer3hi kenvandine and didrocks15:12
rickspencer3kenvandine, seems like cold, not flu15:12
rickspencer3no fever and such15:12
kenvandinei am leaving in 30m to take my daughter to the dr again, her cough is getting much worse and the nurse wants her to come in15:12
rickspencer3:(15:12
kenvandine6 days into this h1n1 thing15:12
rickspencer3kenvandine, sorry to hear this15:12
kenvandineit hasn't been bad until last night15:12
rickspencer3sounds aweful15:13
kenvandinenow her cough is aweful15:13
kenvandinestill has a mild fever, which is expected for 7 to 10 days15:13
kenvandineand the cough is normal too, but not expect to get much worse 6 days in15:13
kenvandinewe'll see...15:13
rickspencer3kenvandine, I'm sure she'll fine15:15
kenvandineyeah... an excuse for them to get us to pay for another office visit :)15:15
bratscherobbiew: Dude, thanks for finding that solution!15:15
* kenvandine is such a skeptic when it comes to doctors15:15
bratscherobbiew: I owe you a beer or something. :)15:15
robbiewbratsche: heh15:16
seb128hum15:17
seb128is "usplash stays on screen when rebooting from the livecd" a known issue?15:17
seb128it used to display a message saying that you can remove the CD and reboot I think or press enter15:18
seb128but there is only the ubuntu logo now15:18
Keybukso, if I add a keyboard shortcut to start gnome-terminal15:19
Keybukthat terminal has a working directory of /15:19
Keybukand cannot use the ssh agent15:19
Amaranthwin15:20
pittiasac, seb128: epiphany isn't sorted out yet:15:22
pittio epiphany-extensions: epiphany-extensions15:22
pitti   [Reverse-Recommends: epiphany-gecko]15:22
pitti-gecko is still in main, and pulls in -extensions and -webkit15:22
jcastropitti: ok thanks (wrt. hal), I saw that banshee was TODO and upstream was wondering if we were just going to drop it totally15:22
jcastropitti: (whew!)15:22
pittijcastro: as long as it has a Depends: hal, we won't15:22
hyperairjcastro: what's this about banshee?15:23
jcastrohyperair: gabaug was wondering if karmic was totally dropping hal15:23
hyperairaah.15:23
hyperairi see15:23
pittijcastro: I don't expect to drop hal in the next two years, it'll bitrot in universe for a while, I guess15:23
pittinobody (including me) is really interested in fixing it any more15:24
KenEdwardsrickspencer3, what's up?15:24
jcastropitti: yeah for a minute there I was concerned that we were and we collectively forgot to tell upstreams.15:24
rickspencer3KenEdwards, sorry, I meant to ping kenvandine15:24
rickspencer3thanks for getting back though15:24
jcastropitti: but it's ok, I no longer fear death.15:24
KenEdwardsrickspencer3, np15:24
asacpitti: -browser source needs to be removedß15:25
asac?15:25
asacor you want me to add a transitional package for -gecko too?15:25
seb128asac, should we follow debian and use epiphany-browser source?15:26
seb128asac, they build the 2.28 gecko version from it now15:26
pittijcastro: bugs about it should be filed upstream already15:26
pittiasac: well, we could drop teh recommmends to suggests (or entirely) and keep -gecko in main, or drop -gecko, too, I don't know15:27
jcastropitti: yeah, I just need to find it and link it in /Halsectomy, thanks for the info I'll pass it along15:27
pittiseb128: hm, -gecko is built by e-source already?15:28
asacwe can also follow debian now15:28
asacpitti: gecko is gone. thats the idea15:28
asacso we can remove it entirely15:29
asacand when lucid starts we can sync epiphany-browser from debian15:30
asacseb128: they build the gecko version?15:30
asacanyway call15:30
seb128asac, no, epiphany-browser 2.28 building webkit15:30
asacyes thats what i thought15:31
pittiasac: so we should demote -gecko?15:31
seb128ie we could sync that one from unstable and clean the webkit source15:31
asacpitti: remove epiphany-browser source + binaries15:31
asacthats superseeded for us by -webkit15:31
asac_or_ sync from debian15:31
seb128any reason to not to it the other way around?15:31
asacbut i would like to check that after call first15:31
seb128I would rather sync from debian and demote the source15:32
asacseb128: no reason. just that i need to check that first ;)15:32
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seb128ok15:32
Amaranthassuming we get new snapshots of compiz things the new upload will fix 14 bugs so far :)15:32
pitti./ubuntu.karmic/dvd: * epiphany-browser15:33
pitti./ubuntu.karmic/dvd: * epiphany-extensions15:33
pitti^ those are the current seeds15:33
asacpitti: i removed them ... no?15:33
pittiasac: no, they are in ubuntu.karmic/dvd, edubuntu.karmic/ship-addon, and edubuntu.karmic/supported15:33
AmaranthKeybuk: mine always opens to ~/Projects/ubuntu-packages/build-area so I have a feeling I know what is going on here15:36
Keybukthis is with metacity15:37
Keybuknot compiz15:37
Amaranthoh15:37
pittiseb128: where was your compiled list of "would be nice to fix for karmic" bugs?15:51
seb128pitti, https://edge.launchpad.net/~desktop-bugs/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1269815:51
pittiseb128: splendid, merci15:51
seb128you're welcome15:52
seb128pitti, feel free to add things there15:52
seb128it's just assignee = desktop-bugs + milestone karmic15:53
superm1pitti, while you are seeding, i noticed a couple of days ago from a dvd install that both pidgin and empathy were installed on the DVDs15:53
seb128ups15:53
seb128superm1, that was a mistake in pidgin recommends15:53
seb128no?15:53
seb128ie, is that still an issue?15:53
seb128libpurple did recommend pidgin-libnotify by mistake15:54
pittiseb128: I added the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:54
seb128ok thanks15:54
superm1looks like it's not an issue with the latest DVD indeed seb12815:54
tseliotpitti: would it be ok if I added lpia to the arch of nvidia 180 in Karmic? (OEM request)15:55
AmaranthI was telling people about that one all weekend15:55
pittitseliot: sure, why not?15:55
AmaranthThey kept saying "yay, pidgin is back!" and I had to kill their dreams :P15:55
tseliotpitti: ok, good15:55
rickspencer3tseliot, what's up with "B43 patches"?15:56
rickspencer3is Yingying asking us to add in major new functions?15:56
tseliotrickspencer3: freedesktop is down and I can't access the code without it15:56
AmaranthThat's a new chip...15:56
tseliotrickspencer3: but in general, no, it's nothing that can cause regressions of any kind15:57
rickspencer3how can that be?15:57
pittihey rickspencer315:57
rickspencer3hi pitti15:57
Amaranthrickspencer3: well, I guess it's the difference between those people getting vesa and getting a potentially buggy intel15:58
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AmaranthBut again freedesktop is down so I can't check15:58
seb128the milestoned listed is in topic now15:58
rickspencer3Amaranth, tseliot so the new code can only impact users who have a certain chipset?15:59
AmaranthRight15:59
AmaranthWell, from what I remember15:59
tseliotrickspencer3: yes, as Amaranth said16:00
tseliotrickspencer3: it should be just a bunch of new ids, furthermore we already have support for that chipset in the kernel16:01
rickspencer3tseliot, ok16:01
AmaranthI thought there was a little bit more to it than ids16:02
tseliotAmaranth: it should be (I haven't seen the code yet) just a matter of adding the id in libdrm, mesa and intel16:08
rodrigo_pitti, kenvandine: I've just nominated bug #435904 for karmic, can you accept the nomination?16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 435904 in ubuntuone-servers "HMAC-SHA1 oauth does not work with Tomboy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43590416:26
rodrigo_pitti, kenvandine: also, I've got this other bug #415297, which affects 2 packages, should I do the 'affects distro' twice, once for each package?16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 415297 in evolution-couchdb "Missing supported fields in evolution-couchdb" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41529716:27
bratschepopey: Did you test this monitor change I added to xsplash and find it doesn't work on TwinView?16:27
bratschepopey: It seemed to work for me.16:27
popeybratsche: i did, this morning16:27
popeybratsche: are you using twinview?16:28
bratschepopey: Yes, I used the nvidia utility to setup your screen and it offers to let you use different screens or to use TwinView, so I set it to TwinView.16:28
bratschepopey: It failed to write an xorg file so I don't actually have it setup to start into TwinView, so I'm not sure how xsplash looks when you login.. but when I run it from a terminal it now only displays on monitor #0.16:29
popeyit is stretched across both screens when i boot bratsche16:29
bratscheDid you build from bzr trunk?16:29
popeyget nvida settings to put xorg.conf in your home then copy it to /etc/X11 or run nvidia-settings under sudo16:30
bratscheOkay.16:30
pittirodrigo_: karmic task accepted; so it should be "fix committed" if you have a package ready for upload?16:31
bratscheWhen I click "Save to X Configuration File" (even running sudo as I am now) it pops up an error dialog that says, "Failed to parse existing X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then it crashes.16:32
pittirodrigo_: two tasks> yes, please16:32
rodrigo_pitti: see the branch, it's ready to submit16:32
rodrigo_pitti: the tomboy branch linked to the bug16:32
pittirodrigo_: right, thanks; it's in the sponsoring queue, we'll handle it from there16:32
rodrigo_pitti: ok, 2 task-ing now :)16:32
bratschepopey: If you run it from the command line is it showing across both screens?16:32
popeyrun what?16:32
bratschepopey, xsplash16:33
popeywill test16:33
bratscheconfigure --with-user=gdm ; make ; sudo -u gdm ./src/xsplash16:33
rodrigo_pitti: ok, bug #415297 done and nominated, is it ok like this?16:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 415297 in evolution-couchdb "Missing supported fields in evolution-couchdb" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41529716:34
rodrigo_pitti: if it, please accept the nomination16:34
rodrigo_pitti: the 2 branches in 'Development' status are the ones containing the package changes16:35
popeybratsche: tested by running "sudo xsplash" and it spans both screens16:36
pittirodrigo_: ack'ed16:39
rodrigo_pitti: cool, thanks!16:39
popeybratsche: ah, new xsplash, will test again16:39
bratschepopey: Yeah, need to build from bzr trunk.16:39
bratschelp:xsplash16:40
popeygrabbing now16:40
popeybratsche: using trunk i get a white box on the screen, top left, not an xsplash as I'd expect16:44
bratscheEh, somehow it's not loading the images then.16:45
bratscheDid you configure --with-user=gdm and run xsplash as sudo -u gdm?16:46
* popey starts again16:46
popeythere is no configure, so run autogen.sh yes?16:47
bratscheYes.16:47
bratsche./autogen.sh --with-user=gdm16:47
popeyah, didnt do that16:47
popeysame result16:48
bratscheEh, I don't know what's up then.16:48
bratschepopey: Anyway, when I run it locally with TwinView it runs on only one monitor now.  I think it's fixed. :)16:50
popeybratsche: http://popey.com/~alan/xsplash.png16:50
bratscheBroken link16:51
popeyf516:51
bratscheYeah, for some reason it's not finding the images.16:52
* popey shrugs16:52
bratschepopey: http://www.gnome.org/~bratsche/dsc_0378.jpg16:56
bratscheWow, I really need to dust off the desk behind those monitors.  That looks horrible. :)16:57
popey:)17:04
popeygot the xorg.conf handy for that machine bratsche ?17:05
bratschepopey: I never saved the TwinView into xorg, I only set it for this session using the nvidia utility.17:05
bratscheIf you have a xorg.conf I can drop in, please send it.17:05
bratschepopey: xdpyinfo shows screen #0 as being 3200x1200 though, so I'm pretty sure it's configured right.17:08
bratscheAnd there is no screen #117:08
bratscheI think TwinView exposes itself using XINERAMA, so that's how gtk+ is getting the geometry from it.17:09
rugby471mpt: just finished listening to your interview, I never knew you were South African :-)17:12
mptwat17:12
rugby471popey: ^ BTW great episode as always :-)17:13
mptrugby471, that's a coincidence, neither did I :-P17:13
rugby471mpt: huh?17:13
rugby471mpt: aren't you?17:13
mptrugby471, New Zealander17:14
rugby471mpt: jeez I am stinking at accents :-(17:14
rugby471mpt: then again form my point of view, it's english with another accent... :-)17:14
mptrugby471, don't feel bad. My fellow NZers always used to ask me "What part of the UK are you from?" Then when I finally got to the UK, someone asked me: "Are you French?"17:14
rugby471mpt: haha17:16
popeyrugby471: thanks :)17:21
popeybratsche: my xorg.conf is on the bug report iirc17:22
hyperairhmm, xsplash update. do we get newer artwork? =O17:34
bratschepopey: Oh I see you did.  Hang on and I'll try it out.17:53
bratscheThanks.17:53
pittiwohoo! http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg.devel/210817:54
pittiseems we can actually get rid of hal in early lucid \o/17:54
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bratschepopey: Oh, I bet I know why it's not finding the images.. probably need to configure with --prefix=/usr18:01
bratschepopey: But anyway, tested with your xorg.conf modified for my monitors and logging into the desktop was fine.  For some reason gdm session was still stretched across both monitors though.18:01
bratscheOh wait, that's not an xsplash bug in the gdm session.18:02
bratscheThat's just that it's stretching the background instead of tiling it.18:03
chrisccoulsonfantastic, nearly the weekend!18:06
bratscheIt's noon on Wednesday where I live.  I can't tell which weekend I feel closer to.. the last one, or the next one.18:08
rugby471mac_v: https://bugs.launchpad.net/humanity/+bug/438843 just assigned it to humanity18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 438843 in humanity "No applications-science icon in Humanity theme" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:08
chrisccoulsonbratsche - wednesday evening here ;)18:08
chrisccoulsoni class weekends as starting at lunchtime on friday, which is when i finish work18:09
popeybratsche: yeah, i didnt mention that gdm is fine on the primary screen, its just xsplash that is stretched18:09
chrisccoulsonso, 3 days down, 1.5 to go:)18:09
bratschepopey: Yeah I know.. it just confused me when I was testing it now.  But anyway, I think it's all good now.  If you want to rebuild and test, try adding --prefix=/usr when you run autogen.sh18:09
mac_vrugby471: ;)18:10
rugby471mac_v: hehe sorry more work for you and daniel :-)18:10
mac_vrugby471: just now , i was thinking almost all bugs are cleared and i could rest ... ;p18:11
rugby471mac_v: hehe18:11
c_kornis this what the indicator-session is supposed to look like ? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26137/screenshot_001_9yNYt3.png18:22
mac_vrugby471: why isnt software store falling back to the gnome inherits? and instead using wrong icon18:26
mac_vit maybe a SS bug18:26
chrisccoulsonpitti - is there any way to tell apport to submit a crash report when it thinks that it doesn't have an assertion message?18:26
mac_v*software center ;)18:26
chrisccoulsonmy girlfriend has been having empathy crash a lot today, and the trace in the crash report has enough of the assertion message there to be useful18:27
chrisccoulson"free() invalid pointer"18:27
pittichrisccoulson: try this: try to send the crash, get the lecture, edit the .crash file to drop UnreportableReason, and then ubuntu-bug /var/crash/foo.crash18:27
chrisccoulsonpitti - can i just edit the crash report in a text editor?18:28
pittichrisccoulson: yes, it's just RFC82218:28
chrisccoulsonthanks, i'll do that then18:28
pitti(untested, beware)18:28
chrisccoulsonit might already be reported, it's a crash in the indicator patch18:28
pittiI'm off for Taekwondo; cu tomorrow!18:34
chrisccoulsonhave fun pitti18:35
chrisccoulsonediting the crash file works btw;)18:35
chrisccoulsoni got my girlfriend to submit her first crash report now18:35
hyperairmeh. why does nautilus show my LVM2 physical volume as one of the mountable volumes when there are no more mountable volumes? (everything's in fstab)18:52
rugby471mac_v: don't know actually.. I shall have a look18:56
seb128dinner time, bbl18:58
tedgc_korn: No, there are a couple of menu reordering bugs.  Switching to the async startup made things unhappy :(19:45
tedgc_korn: And unpredictable.19:45
kenvandinetedg, oh... did that make the menu ordering bug worse?19:47
tedgkenvandine: Yes. :-/19:47
tedgBut, it needs to be fixed no mater what.  It was better than the live CD crashing :)19:48
kenvandinesad panda19:48
kenvandineyeah :)19:48
kenvandinein time for tomorrow's release?19:48
* kenvandine hides under a rock19:48
tedgkenvandine: Working on it now.  I won't commit to that until I have it fixed ;)19:48
* kenvandine will continue to nag19:49
tedgI'd expect nothing else  ;)19:51
tgpraveenkenvandine: did the sound theme needed for empathy to have sound notifications make it in for empathy?19:55
kenvandinei don't know, never really looked into that19:55
kenvandinei know it rings when i get a call19:55
kenvandine:)19:55
tgpraveenyeah incoming sound has been there since long.hmm there used to be a bug19:58
* tgpraveen hunts 19:58
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Amaranth"/usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator: undefined symbol: decor_blend_border_picture"20:11
Amaranth*headdesk*20:11
AmaranthThis guy has the right version of gtk-window-decorator and libdecoration0 and doesn't have any other copies of these around (like /usr/local) but still this seemingly impossible failure20:12
hyperairtry strace it20:13
AmaranthYeah, that's what I'm having him try now20:13
AmaranthWe've already been through package versions, ldd, whereis, and reinstalling packages20:13
AmaranthI'm about to have him run strings on the library just so I can prove the symbol is there :P20:14
hyperairtry nm -D20:15
hyperairbrb. testing grub20:15
mac_vtedg: i-a stopped changing icon when mail arrives in evolution , is this a known bug?20:27
tedgmac_v: No, but a few people have said that the messaging menu isn't changing today.  I wonder if there's an icon issue.  It works great for me.20:28
tedgmac_v: If you run the indicator-message-service in a terminal it should print out text when it changes.20:28
mac_vtedg: it says command not found ???20:30
tedgmac_v: /usr/lib/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-service20:30
mac_v** ERROR **: Unable to get name20:30
mac_vaborting...20:30
mac_vAborted (core dumped)20:30
tedgmac_v: You'll need to kill the running one.  There can't be two :)20:31
mac_vtedg: incoming bug ;)20:31
hyperairis there a way to tell networkmanager which connection to use for the default route?20:31
mac_vargh!20:31
hyperairit's using my LAN cable which is directly connected to another computer instead of my wifi connection20:31
mac_vtedg: i killed it and started it , now my menu has nothing! it is empty and there is not drop down menu :/20:34
mac_vis no*20:34
tedgmac_v: Yeah, it doesn't detect the restarting.  If you want the menu as well you'll have to kill indicator-applet and reload it.20:35
tedgmac_v: There is a bug for that :)20:35
mac_vtedg: argh! you should have warned me.. i lost all my launchers :(20:35
tedgLost?20:35
mac_vhehe , i was launching thunderbird , xchat from there ;)20:36
tedgOh, they should still come back.20:36
mac_vthey are now missing from /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications :(20:36
tedgOh, I don't know why the files would be deleted, that'd be odd.20:37
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm stuck on bug 388250 now - there isn't enough information there and the reporters don't seem to be that interested in my request for a backtrace20:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 388250 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gdk_x_error()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38825020:37
tedgBut you should put them in ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications20:37
mac_voh!  , new location :)20:37
seb128chrisccoulson, try a gentle ping? I think milan is an active GNOME hacker20:38
seb128chrisccoulson, he said he got the apport crash bug he filed which is duplicate using --sync20:38
chrisccoulsonseb128 - unfortunately, milan's issue was a separate one20:38
seb128oh ok20:38
chrisccoulsonhis was the xklavier crash20:38
seb128can you proper sort the duplicates?20:39
chrisccoulsonthe X call that triggers this issue doesn't match the call in the current backtrace, which means the error happened earlier on20:39
seb128if the duplicates or the libxklavier issue and only one user get this one no need to milestone the bug20:39
seb128or -> are20:39
seb128ie don't bother if that's only one non responsive user20:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can check that. i think the retracer duplicated most of these though20:40
seb128retracer do matching on some functions only20:40
seb128so it could be confused in some corner cases20:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, i've seen that. i'm wondering whether it's possible for the retracer to not duplicate these X error crashes. sometimes it might be possible to get different issues with similar backtraces, due to the asynchronous nature of X20:43
seb128everything it's possible, it's only a matter of coding ;-)20:44
seb128the retracer code is basically apport's one20:44
seb128check with pitti or open a bug on apport20:44
seb128it's probably easy to not autodup or special case the crashes starting by something20:45
chrisccoulsonyeah, maybe i'll mention it tomorrow20:45
Amaranthchrisccoulson: We have a similar problem with compiz. If compiz state gets corrupted somehow it'll usually end up making it to eventLoop again then dying so the stack trace looks the same no matter who caused it (plugin, driver, or core)20:51
AmaranthHmm, I guess 'we' is just me :P20:51
Amaranthluckily those are rare and all apparently fixed at this point20:52
Laneyanyone else get a black box in their notification area?21:13
Laneyprobably where nm would be21:13
Laneyseb128: changes in git now21:19
seb128Laney, thanks21:19
Laneydunno how urgently people will sponsor such a change though21:19
Laneycould apply hassle to directhex21:20
seb128Laney, I did upload the f-spot change to ubuntu today21:21
Laneycool21:21
seb128I will sync whenever somebody does sponsor in debian21:21
Laneyyou could do the same for tomboy21:21
Laneywe arent in sync there anyway so its not so urgent21:21
seb128yes, I will do it nobody does the rebasing on debian21:21
Laneyi'll try and look it after -221:22
joaopintohi21:25
joaopintoseb128, I was told that eventually you would be able to help me21:26
joaopintohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/43255821:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432558 in telepathy-butterfly "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _print_MSG()" [Undecided,New]21:26
seb128joaopinto, hi, subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors21:27
joaopintook, it's critical, msn accounts with UTF-8 data will not be able to login21:27
seb128could you add a diff to the bug and subscribe sponsors?21:28
joaopintogrrr, the bug is reported on the wrong package21:28
joaopintothe diff is on the upstream link, it's  a one line diff21:28
seb128still could you add it to the bug?21:29
Laneyif you ask someone to sponsor its nice to have a proper diff ready21:29
seb128so we are sure it's listed on the bug with patches to sponsor21:29
joaopintook21:30
chrisccoulsonAmaranth - hi, sorry, i went for dinner. yeah, i suppose there could be many instances where different issues might cause similar backtraces. so perhaps special-casing some instances to not duplicate them is not all that practical really21:33
Keybukchrisccoulson: how *dare* you eat when there's bugs to be fixed!21:34
chrisccoulsonKeybuk - i know, i must be slacking a bit ;)21:34
chrisccoulsoni might even go to sleep at some point later!21:35
joaopintoI am unable to add the affects to relation to the correct package. I will file a new bug for python-papyon21:36
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i had a look at the duplicates of bug 388250. it's not really possible to decide if they were correctly marked as duplicates, as the attachments have been deleted and the trace is truncated too far to be useful ;)21:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 388250 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gdk_x_error()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38825021:38
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, just try pinging on the bug and see if somebody replies ;-)21:38
chrisccoulsoni've just added a comment21:39
chrisccoulsoni've asked for someone to get a xtrace log too, but that might be a bit ambitious ;)21:39
joaopintogrr, a new crash on butterfly now that I can login :P21:41
istazjoaopinto: what is the crash now?21:41
joaopintoistaz, well, crash as in apport report, this one is "natural", NotImplementedError :)21:42
istazjoaopinto: this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/194494 ?21:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 194494 in pymsn "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NotImplementedError in _on_error()" [Unknown,Confirmed]21:43
joaopintono, different function21:43
joaopintohum, i get that one also21:45
istazon what function was you first one21:45
istazyeah that one I really don't understand what's causing it, that function should be implemented iirc21:46
joaopintolet me try to reproduce it21:47
joaopintolost the stack trace, it's something about invite21:47
Yanhi!21:48
istazjoaopinto: it would be nice if you could reproduce it and get a trace21:51
Yanany developers here?21:51
diverse_izzuejoaopinto, i think it's the bug where it crashes on receiving messages that were sent to you while offline.21:53
joaopintodiverse_izzue, don't think so, it's happening randomly21:54
diverse_izzueuh, the one istaz mentioned actually...21:54
diverse_izzuehmm21:54
diverse_izzuenot directly after login?21:54
joaopintohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/43963421:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439634 in telepathy-butterfly "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NotImplementedError in _on_error()" [Undecided,New]21:54
joaopintoContactInviteError.NOT_AVAILABLE21:55
seb128istaz, do you watch the telepathy-butterfly bug list on launchpad?21:58
seb128istaz, do you have access to private bugs there?21:58
joaopintois the webcam icon on empathy expected to work and provide an indication that the person has a webcam available ?22:09
istazseb128: I'm subscribed to them but I can't see the private bugs no22:13
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i can recreate the gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crash, by inserting a "sleep (5)" in devicekit-disks-daemon before grabbing the dbus service22:14
chrisccoulsonnot sure what that proves yet though ;)22:14
james_wyay chrisccoulson22:14
seb128t's proving there is a race there ;-)22:15
chrisccoulsoni think so22:15
chrisccoulsonah22:18
chrisccoulsonin my case, it appears that dbus_g_proxy_call times out before devicekit-disks-daemon is ready22:19
chrisccoulsonwhich then makes everything go horribly wrong in gdu, and crash22:19
chrisccoulsonwhich means the default timeout is pretty short22:19
chrisccoulsoni suppose that it is quite feasible that some people would experience this timeout normally when a lot of things are loading at the start of their session22:20
Keybuk15s22:21
chrisccoulsonhmmm, it seems to be quicker than 15 seconds here22:21
chrisccoulsoni only put a 5 second sleep in dk-disks, and it times out before then22:21
Laneydoes empathy try to reconnect to msn if signed on elsewhere?22:22
Laneykeep getting signed out22:23
seb128istaz, ok, I will try to open some of the crashers22:23
james_wwould a minimal reproducer help?22:24
istazseb128: thanks22:25
istazseb128: could apport be configured to make the distinction between real crasher and error only in bug report?22:25
seb128how would you make the difference between those in a programmatic way?22:26
chrisccoulsonKeybuk - does _DBUS_DEFAULT_TIMEOUT_VALUE in the dbus source define the default timeout for calls?22:26
Keybukyes22:27
chrisccoulsonthats currently (25 * 1000) ms22:27
Keybuk25s then ;)22:27
chrisccoulsonyeah22:27
* Keybuk thought it was 1522:27
chrisccoulsonso i'm confused now22:27
james_wit's actually "parser->limits.activation_timeout = 25000; /* 25 seconds */" for activation I think22:27
james_wbut still...22:27
james_wit's overridden (twice) in our config for the session bus22:28
james_wchrisccoulson: do you know if you get "exited with status 0" in this case?22:31
chrisccoulsonfrom the activated devicekit-disks-daemon?22:31
james_win the error that g-d-u gets back?22:32
james_wdoes it print the error to stderr/.xsession-errors?22:32
chrisccoulsongdu doesn't get an error back. the error is that the pending call times out waiting for devicekit-disks-daemon to appear:22:33
chrisccoulson"Couldn't call GetAll() to get properties for /: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include......."22:33
james_woh yeah22:34
chrisccoulsonso there's 2 issues here:22:34
chrisccoulson1) the timeout is too small for some reason22:34
chrisccoulson2) gvfs doesn't handle this correctly22:34
chrisccoulson2) is probably quite easily fixable22:35
chrisccoulsonpitti^^^ you might be interested in the scrollback tomorrow morning ;)22:36
james_wwhich timeout?22:36
james_wif the activation timeout is hit then the call will error22:37
chrisccoulsonis there an activation timeout too?22:37
james_wyeah22:37
james_wwhich is also 25 seconds22:37
james_wand as 5 << 25 I'm guessing it's not hit22:37
chrisccoulsoni'm definately not getting anywhere near 25s ;)22:37
chrisccoulsoni'm probably seeing 3.522:38
james_wthough as 25 = 25, the call will probably timeout before the activation22:38
james_wso, what we are seeing is that if d-d is slow to grab the bus name, either due to system load at startup, or because of a sleep, the call times out22:39
james_wdoes d-d daemonise?22:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's basically what we're seeing22:40
chrisccoulsonno d-d doesn't daemonize22:40
seb128chrisccoulson, you gnome-python-extras change, not sure we should drop python-gnome2-extras now22:40
seb128$ apt-cache rdepends python-gnome2-extras | sort | uniq | wc -l22:41
seb1283722:41
chrisccoulsonurgh, yeah22:41
chrisccoulsonthat's probably not such a good idea then22:41
seb128admitted half of the list is noise22:41
chrisccoulsoni could just make it a metapackage that pulls in all the other packages for now22:41
james_wso with your sleep the command still doesn't return until it has grabbed the bus name?22:41
seb128rdepends lists the conflicts etc so all the binaries there22:42
chrisccoulsonjames_w - yeah, the command doesn't return until then.22:42
chrisccoulsonif i use dbus-send to start it, then that doesn't return until it appears on the bus either22:42
chrisccoulsonand that doesn't time out22:42
james_wweird22:43
chrisccoulsonso maybe gvfs does something funny22:43
seb128chrisccoulson, you could let it as it is now22:43
seb128chrisccoulson, it's mostly some example and the depends22:43
seb128but seems we could easily clean the rdepends list too22:43
seb128let's see after beta for this one22:43
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i don't mind22:43
pittichrisccoulson: X error duplication> can you please open a bug and subscribe me? (just passing by before to bed, to check for OMGkittensdie)22:54
chrisccoulsonhey pitti - i can do that22:55
chrisccoulsonyou've seen the scrollback then ;)22:55
pittichrisccoulson: yep, I did; I knew that the timeout was something like 20 seconds, so I found it weird to believe that DK-disks would take that long to start..22:56
chrisccoulsonjames_w - i just ran gdb on gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor, and break on dbus_connection_send_with_reply, and the call which times out and makes it crash has "timeout_milliseconds=-1"22:56
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, it doesn't take that long to start22:56
james_wI believe that means default22:56
chrisccoulsonbut it's timing out too soon for some reason22:56
pittichrisccoulson: so you think something sets the timeout much shorter for activation? 3 or 4 seconds sounds plausible to time out, especially at session startup, when everything drowns in IO22:57
chrisccoulsonjames_w - yeah, that's default. so gvfs isn't doing anything wierd for the timeout22:57
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm not sure yet why the timeout is so short22:57
chrisccoulsonbut at least we sort-of know whats going on now:)22:57
james_wso the activation timeout is started from the first caller to request activation of a particular name22:58
james_wso if there are multiple things asking for d-d then the last will see the activation timeout much quicker22:58
james_whowever, you still should get an "activation failed" error22:58
pittiok, seems to be quiet, so off to bed22:58
james_wnight pitti22:58
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not seeing that22:58
pittijames_w, chrisccoulson, thanks for debugging this!22:58
chrisccoulsongood night pitti22:58
chrisccoulsonheh, no worries. i like doing this stuff ;)22:59
chrisccoulsonanyway, i have to disappear for a bit. i need to prepare all my stuff for work in the morning23:00
james_wwhen I turn up tomorrow and complain that devicekit-disks isn't starting, please remind me that I hacked the service file to launch it from a non-standard location23:00
james_wI know I'll forget that23:00
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chrisccoulsonjames_w - you might need to remind me to remind you ;)23:04
james_wI've reproduced as you suggest23:05
istaz23:28 < seb128> how would you make the difference between those in a programmatic way? << simply check if the process still exist or has returned?23:05
james_wsleep(5) gives the same symptoms23:05
james_wupping the timeout of the GetAll call means that it doesn't timeout23:09
james_wperhaps unsurprisingly23:09
chrisccoulsonjames_w - yeah, that makes sense23:10
Keybukseb128_: gdm seems to be unconditionally starting the greeter23:10
Keybukeven with auto-login23:10
seb128_Keybuk, it's fixed in bzr and in the karmic queue23:11
james_waltering the timeout in the call now to see if it can be narrowed down23:11
james_wso, a 10ms timeout causes it to... timeout23:14
* james_w reads the documentation of the function and * 100023:14
chrisccoulsonheh, 10ms is quite tight ;)23:14
chrisccoulsonaaaargh, my mouse is really annoying me now23:15
chrisccoulsonit keeps giving me multiple events when i click on things23:15
james_w20s still gives a timeout23:16
james_wand in a lot less that 20s23:16
chrisccoulsonso you're actually explicitly passing a 20s timeout to dbus_g_proxy_call_with_timeout?23:16
seb128_istaz, try talking to pitti tomorrow about that or open an apport bug, that has probably been discussed before though23:16
chrisccoulsonand it's timing out in less than 20s?23:16
james_wI'm using dbus_g_proxy_set_default_timeout23:17
james_wwhich I'm assuming is equivalent23:18
chrisccoulsonah, ok. that basically does the same thing though23:18
james_w(I'm using gdu-notification-daemon, not gvfs)23:18
james_w50s doesn't timeout23:18
istazseb128_: is this just enabled for testing or will it also be in the stable version?23:18
seb128_istaz, it's only on by default in unstable versions23:19
istazok23:19
seb128_istaz, we will turn it off before karmic again23:19
seb128_stable version give too many duplicates and crashes about outdated versions we don't work really on23:19
seb128_and they annoy users too23:20
james_wyep, 20s callout times out in ~5s, 30s timeout doesn't at all23:20
james_wsplit the difference -> 25s -> activation timeout23:21
james_wwth?23:29
james_wsomewhere around 20.15 seconds there is a change in behaviour23:32
james_wanything less than that and it fails ~100% of the time23:33
james_wanything more and it succeeds ~100% of the time23:33
james_wwith the successes getting the response in ~as long as the failures get the timeout back23:33
james_wall with the sleep(5) in there23:34
chrisccoulsonthe timeout is something that happens client-side isn't it? (ie, it's not a timeout in dbus-daemon is it)?23:36
james_wyeah23:39
istazhum strange sometime launchpad find the papyon project, sometime it doesnt23:44
chrisccoulsonjames_w - do you think it's an issue with not yet being in the main loop when adding the timeout?23:45
james_winteresting23:45
james_w * Blocks until a pending call times out or gets a reply.23:46
james_w *23:46
james_w * Does not re-enter the main loop or run filter/path-registered23:46
james_w * callbacks. The reply to the message will not be seen by23:46
james_w * filter callbacks.23:46
james_wI had just read that comment when you mentioned the main loop23:46
james_wbut in general there shouldn't be a problem with setting timeouts before entering the main loop23:47
chrisccoulsonheh, yeah. i was trying to follow through the dbus code, and thought that the timeout probably requires you to already be in the mainloop. but i'm not sure what happens when you enter it after already setting some timeouts23:47
chrisccoulsona quick way to test that would be to move all the initialization to a callback registered with g_idle_add23:48
james_wyeah23:49
james_wa dbus log during this would be quite interesting23:49
james_wa pain to get though23:49
james_wand all the dbus traffic on boot would be a *lot* :-)23:49
chrisccoulsonyeah, i've tried to capture stuff like that before23:49
james_wI can't seem to break on anything in the dbus daemon23:52
chrisccoulsoni've not tried to do that yet;)23:53

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